Spanish ‘Pirates’ Share Files on Government Doorstep
Written by Ernesto on December 21, 2008Fed up with the growing power of the anti-piracy lobby, a group of free-culture supporters gathered in front of the headquarters of the socialist party with their laptops, and started trading copyrighted files. The goal was to show that sharing copyrighted files is legal in Spain, something they appear to have achieved.
Sharing copyrighted files on filesharing networks such as BitTorrent is a serious offense, according to the entertainment industry lobbyists, that is. This is also what these groups try to convince lawmakers of, with some success.
In an attempt to prove the opposite, however, a group of Spanish free-culture supporters organized a demonstration on the doorstep of one of the leading political parties in Spain. The two groups, Compartir es Bueno (Sharing is good) and Hacktivistas (Hacktivists) gathered in front of the headquarters of the socialist party yesterday, where they fired up their P2P clients and started sharing copyrighted material. The police were notified beforehand about the demonstration, and were present. No arrests have been made though, as expected.
The demonstration, which was covered by several of the leading news outlets in Spain, was organized in response to the growing propaganda and power of entertainment industry lobbyists. Like many other countries, Spain is mulling a three-strikes proposal that would give the entertainment industry the right to disconnect alleged sharers of copyrighted material. This, despite the fact that sharing copyrighted material for non-commercial use is not against the law in Spain.
Previous court cases have confirmed that this is the case. In 2006, a judge ruled that a man who downloaded and shared copyrighted music was not breaking any laws since the man’s intent wasn’t to make money. More recently, a court ruled that a site providing links to P2P downloads is operating within the law.
The protesters proved this once again by sharing copyrighted material on the doorstep of the socialist party, in front of the police. The demonstration was successful, as Hacktivistas report on their website “We have shown it once more: downloading copyrighted files from a p2p network is legal in Spain, as long as it isn’t done for profit.”
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74 Responses
HEHE! Good one!
Sounds a bit like what Roze has been suggesting for some time, wonder if these guys were listening :)
awesome
Make me feel good :)
LOL, dude that’s FABULOUS.
Legends
So a buch of people gathered together in public to commit a perfectly lawful act? That is not what Roze suggests. Roze suggests civil disobediance in opposition of laws that prohibit cpoyright infringement. The two are distictly different in that in this case the law is already on their side and they are not commiting any offence.
@stfu,
I am not talking about what Roze has been writing about in his/her last few posts.. but I do remember his/her idea (will somebody please confirm if Roze is a guy/girl… will the real Roze please stand up :p ) of distributing copyrighted CDs in front of govt buildings.
Personally, I didnt think that idea would make a change and said so at the time, but it looks like what these guys did was something kind of close, the “distributing copyrighted material” anyway.
It should be noted that if they were only downloading, and their client only supported sharing of full files (unlike BT) then its a whole another stretch to say “distribution”.
I liked the article though, in one go these bunch of guys kicked the FUD and propaganda that the lobbyists had worked for quite some time to install.
Very nice article TF.
Cheers!
CJ
Hey i downloading stuff right now and its not illegal as far as i care :D. Although it is actually illegal according to the law but the law needs to be changed cause it is dum.
The thing is though that is already legal, they haven’t changed anything. The industry lost a couple of court cases and the law was affirmed, but not becuase of public protests. Untill I see this happening on Capitol Hill or in front of the Houses Of Parliment and no one gets arrested then its not really news, there is nothing revolutionary to see here.
Yarr! Sharing is caring.
Made my day!
If something like this can happen in Spain, then there is no reason why it cannot happen right here.
The thing about things like this is that they require groups to do them. Groups like Hactivistas and Compartir Es Bueno have pushed this forward.
Otherwise, the only thing I can think up of right now, which each individual can do, is to get his/her family and friends to stop endorsing the industry, and to introduce them to P2P.
The reason why doing anything is important is that as long as nothing is done, nonsense will keep on continuing. As long as nobody publicly voices their opposition to the MAFIAA, they will essentially remain unopposed. The reason why the government keeps on going along with the MAFIAA is not because of intensive lobbying, but rather because of the lack of opposition to the MAFIAA. I think that it is about time that we all stop putting the blame and responsibility for all bad things that have happened regarding file-sharing and copyright on imaginary things like “omnipotent lobbying”; rather, we are the ones responsible for ensuring that the MAFIAA is stopped. Hoping that everything just turns out well in the end, due to the fact that the MAFIAA might be going to extinction anyways, is a game of chance, and something like the MAFIAA influence surely is not something that can be left to chance.
@9 stfu
You should know that the law changing because of public protests has actually happened before, especially in the civil rights movement. Here are some examples:
The Montgomery Bus Boycott
The March on Washington
The Birmingham Campaign
Sit-ins
If you would dismiss civil disobedience as “stupid” – then you might as well dismiss all of this.
@7 ezee
Well, does it matter what my gender is?
Roze
I’m not dismissing civil disobediance as stupid, it has been proven to work, however, there is a big difference between using such tactics to ensure civil rights for everyone and doing so so you can be a leech on society. The fact that you can equate the likes the fight against race discrimination with copyright infringement is laughable to say the least.
@Roze,
“Well, does it matter what my gender is?”
Not really, but it would be easier to quote you, for example:
“I am not talking about what Roze has been writing about in his last post”
OR
“I am not talking about what Roze has been writing about in her last post”
Other than that, not bothered what gender you are Roze, and if you prefer to keep that to yourself, no problem there either :)
Just stay safe ;)
Cheers!
CJ
Well, the fact that such actions make a change is not because of the message itself. The reason why such actions will make a change is because it notifies people of the existence of people who are opposed to the MAFIAA. Although it will not (immediately, at least) change anyone’s minds on whether file-sharing is okay, what is most important is that it reaches to the people who are ALREADY against copyright law, but who do not know of any such group of people opposed to it. That is the big change: that, before, the MAFIAA had no opposition, but if such a group was formed, and such a group did such a protest, there would then exist an opposition to the MAFIAA. The difference between the absence and presence of an opposition to the MAFIAA is, actually, a very big difference – because it is all about the presence of an alternative to the MAFIAA way of thinking. Protesting like this will let people know that there is an alternative to the MAFIAA “downloading is stealing” – and that is what is important.
@13 stfu
Then your earlier statement:
“That is not what Roze suggests.”
is moot. After all, the difference is not between whether it is legal or not, but rather your imagined distinction of the “nobility” of the aim. Thus, in your mind, it is the same, due to your scorn for its “aim.” Mind you, if you think that what the MAFIAA has done over the last years is okay, if you really think that the MAFIAA suing blind people, deceased people, and little kids for alleged file-sharing that cannot be proven is okay, then that is your delusion.
Roze
@ Roze
“Mind you, if you think that what the MAFIAA has done over the last years is okay, if you really think that the MAFIAA suing blind people, deceased people, and little kids for alleged file-sharing that cannot be proven is okay, then that is your delusion”
There you go making stuff up, again. Iys like you cannot help yourself. I never said what they did was ok, I never said it was acceptible, I never said I agreed with their tactics, get it through your head. What you suggest is performing an illegal action to protest what is ultimately a trivial point. The reason people are unlikely to support you is simple, they do not want to risk arrest for such a trivial matter, be cause the consiquecies may be more sever for those actions than the actions they are protesting against. You want to trade what is ultimately a civil offence and encourage people to commit a criminal offence to prove your point. If you think that it is acceptable to put otherwise law obididing citizens in a position where they may face a criminal record for their actions then there is something seriously wrong with you. People are unlikely to be arrested for their use of p2p in such a scenerio, but are more likely to face public order or breach of the peace offences. Lets not forget that even if such demonstrations are peaceful there will always be an anti social element who’s goal it to stir up trouble between protesters and the police. I think most people, if given the choice, would rather sit at home and quietly download than go out into the public, announce to the authorities that they break the law and potentialy find themselves getting beaten by cops who dont give a crap what your argument is. Civil disobediance? Go right ahead.
Actually, it is less trivial than you think. It is not at all merely about “getting and downloading stuff.” In your deluded mind, it is, but in reality (which, of course, does not correspond to your deluded mind), the issue of copyright has, in fact, much greater implications.
Roze
@stfu
The prospect of civil disobedience in support of filesharing scares the MAFIAA shitless.
“Civil disobedience, go right ahead”?
Laff. If that was your real attitude, you wouldn’t be making comment after comment denouncing it.
Try harder.
Congratulations! :-)
http://www.piratenpartei.de
@ Anon
“The prospect of civil disobedience in support of filesharing scares the MAFIAA shitless”
Please show some source to back that claim up. If peole want to go out into the streets and protest about copyright then that’s up to them, that is their choice. For me it is just about worth commenting on due to the sheer stupidity of the suggestion.
@ Roze
The only delusion here is that you feel your right to download the latest hollywood blockbuster or the latest album by some crappy pop group is as important as civil rights. It is not, in fact I was go as far as calling you hypocritical because on one hand you use the rights of others in an attept to streangthen your cause, a cause who’s aim is to diminish the rights of artists becuase as far as you are concerned their rights offend you. Is than any different that sending black folk to the back of the bus again? That is your own logic, logic that states that if you do not agree with their rights you should have the right to protest the removal of those rights to suit you. Reminds me a bit of Hitler and the Jews which when you apply your logic, was acceptable.
There are several mistakes in #19 by stfu:
1. I would have thought that stating the obvious would get to him/her, but apparently not. It is not merely about downloading. Rather, it is about control. Copyright right now is used by the MAFIAA essentially to retain control over what people can see and hear. It is about ending this tyrannical control – not just about obtaining “goods for ourselves” but also about who controls culture. The MAFIAA would prefer to say “themselves,” but this is tantamount to tyranny. The people are the ones who should be in control of culture: culture should be more democratic and less despotic.
2. Reforming copyright does not diminish the rights of artists. Rather, it diminishes the rights of leeches like the MAFIAA from doing such horrible things as suing good people who have done nothing wrong – or taking down perfectly fine websites.
3. The more accurate analogy is to boycott the bus company. After all, it is an act of not endorsing the MAFIAA anymore – essentially, a boycott.
4. It is not to suit me, but to suit morality. You are right, however, that one should have the right to protest in order to remove other people’s rights, just like how the right to own slaves was also removed.
Roze
You have previosly stated however that you completely object to the idea of ownership and you promote plagerism, those are the very reasons copyright was introduced, copyright only exists because of people like you. You do not want copyright reformation, you want copyright abolished, otherwise you would spend less time bitching about traditional forms of copyright and more time promoting fairer options like CC and GNU/GPL. You’re problem is that you feel no one has any right what so ever to dictate any terms for anything, which is a completely unreasonable and totaly unworkable stance. And trying to latch on to historicaly important movements like that of anti-racism is just vey sad.
This argument is getting ridiculous. The fact of the matter is that stfu is right and they havent really done anything significant. Theyve only highlighted the fact that non-commercial p2p in Spain is legal, and by protesting they wanted to show it to the Spanish people and the world, while also standing up against the increasing power of IP rights lobbyists.
In terms of file-sharing, annonymous civil disobedience happens in countries where it is illegal. Its annonymous because of the ridiculous repercussions file-sharers receive as a result of duplicating files. You wouldn’t get a protest like this in france or the US because every1 would be forcibly taken away and most likely given criminal records.
What Roze is sayin about needing to have an organised response to the MAFIAA is exactly what is needed! but theres no point getting ordinary people criminal records for doing things like this when it isn’t going to achieve anything. Awareness campaigns, education, films etc.. would have just as much impact. Its just a shame no one can be arsed doing anything to stand up against the entertainment industries.
@21 stfu
Actually, your judgments are quite sad, since it shows how de-tached from reality you are. Moreover, I do advocate copyright reform: that all non-commercial activity should be exempted from copyright, except in the case of fraudulent attribution i. e. plagiarism.
The fact is that once one buys, for example, a CD, one owns it. Then why shouldn’t one able to create a copy of it and send it to someone else? Isn’t it one’s private property? The only thing you favor is to destroy people’s private property rights i. e. for the industry to “dictate terms” for other people’s private property, and effectively take control over everybody else’s private property.
@22 Binsy
Actually, you are just paranoid. The fact is that in many nations, it is merely a civil offense, not a criminal one. Moreover, it will definitely achieve things, removing the MAFIAA’s unopposed status. Moreover, saying that these “almighty lobbyists” are responsible for everything is just a ridiculous conspiracy theory. Lobbyists are not at fault for everything bad that is happening; rather, it is our inaction that is responsible for this.
Roze
Roze, I agree with most of the stuff you say, and i understand the status of the offences in a lot of countries whether criminal or civil.
All i was saying was that, I would quite happily protest or join an organisation of which people talk about creating but I’m not going to get screwed over by the law just because you think grabbing a headline of a blog will help fight the MAFIAA. There are many ways to go about standing up for the rights of individuals. Educating people about the realities of file-sharing and how it has so much potential is what should be done.
I made a film on file-sharing and the future of the music industry while i was at uni, check it out if you are interested.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=6991626028224913881&ei=fgVPSciUDpGojQK5p6HMCw&q=sharingmusic&hl=en
lol.
stfu should stfu hehehe
On the contrary, me and a few others here seem to be the only ones with both feet firmly planted in reality. it is you who’s whole ethos is based entirely on fiction. I talk fact, you talk bollocks.
If someone buys a cd, they do indeed own the cd, they do not however own the contents of the cd, and in buying and using the cd they accept certain conditions, one of those conditions is that you are prohibited from making and distributing copies, the only exemption being that you may make a personal copy for your own use. U see nothing unfair about that. If someone else wants that cd they should do what the first person did, buy it. That is reality. No one is forcing you to buy the cd. The fact is you want it, but you just do not want to pay for it and you will come up with any excuse not to pay for it.
I would like to destroy peoples private property rights? Don’t make me laugh. If they buy something it belongs to them and they have every right to do with it as they please, as long as it does not infringe the rights of others. But on your planet you are the only one who deserves to have rights and no one else matters.
If you buy something you accept the conditions, if you cannot accept those conditions, do not buy it, but on the same token do not expect to get it for free simply becuase you do not agree to the conditions. I have absolutely no problems if people want to download stuff, what I do have a problem with is people expecting that they should have a “right” to do it, they should not.
Each person is responsible for their own actions and in infringing copyright they must accept the consiquencies, not whine becuase they think its unfair that someone should have the moral indignation to dare to charge them a price for something they obviously want, but are to cheap to pay for.
@ mememe
Come back when you finish grade school, maybe then you too can have an adult conversation.
If Roze spent perhaps one tenth of the time it spends writing on this blog about abstract ideas in it’s own mind and exhorting other people to prosecute actions – just one tenth of the time, actually DOING SOMETHING for itself such as organising actions like this then perhaps it would be worth listening to.
As it is all we have is a bunch of long-winded opinions about how things should be and what people ought to do according to it all written from the relative comfort of it’s desk in front of its computer.
In other words it is a mindless windbag who’s ideas will never come to fruitition except by the hands of others. Although of course it will be “along for the ride” in it’s own mind by continuiong to type crap here and achieving precisely jackshit.
@25 stfu
How about you STFU. Your trolling is a waste of time anyways. The idea that private usages of property like copying, which, in fact, does not interfere with other people’s activities at all, is so ridiculous, that it would have to be spun up by a moron. Simply put, there is no “right” to interfere with what does not interfere with other people’s activities. The only “right” it violates is the “right” to interfere other people’s abilities to do what never interfered with other people’s activities at all. Using common sense, there is no way copying a CD, and handing it to a friend interferes with the activities of those rights holders. Natural reason sometimes is necessary for the initial reasoning, but at the end of the day, when the reasoning is done, and all obvious things have been concluded, there will always be the denialists who can never see the truth, and have the delusion of somehow feeling morally superior, when, in fact, it is the other way around – one of which includes you. You say that it is a “right” but in reality, it is merely the “right” to do horrendous injustice upon other people. Your twisted sense of morality is, in fact, immoral. Polite discussion is bloody politics – it is time to simply denounce people like stfu as advocating the right to do immoral things. It is about time that something was simply done about the unjust law.
Roze
Yeah because saying that someone should not have the “right” or “privilage” to copy a cd and give it away to tightwads is soooo horrendous. Jesus you people just have no clue do you. I am not the one perched on a pedistal of moral superiority, I could care less if people download. I make no value jugements on people who do, I mind my own business. I just do not think any of you have the right to dictate to anyone about anything. Your twisted view of society and reality is obvious. You have no argument, you have no REAL support from the public at large, no one cares about your opinions, no one can be bothered to go shouting about how they like to commit copyright infringement “Hey look at me, I know you’ll all think I’m scum because I cant be arsed to pay for anything”. Hahaha. People do not want to attract attention to themselves. People are like me, they will carry on doing whatever it is they are doing without feeling the need to protest about it. People like you are retarded, they are attention whores, and they give the rest of us a bad name. Am I a troll, maybe, no doubt if you had your way you’d remove my right to free speech becuase you don’t like what I have to say, I do not agree with you, my opinion is threatening to your so callecd cause and I point out the sheer absurdity of your argument. Well aint that just tough.
“It is about time that something was simply done about the unjust law.”
Yeah. Good luck with that, Roze. If I worked my ass off on some digital file of work intending to sell and you stole a free copy or changed it and then put it back out there or made illegal copies and gave them away, taking my value with nothing for me, you’d spend your kids inheritance on lawyers before I was through with you.
It’s narrowminded anarchist thinking like Roze’s that has compelled the legal problems we have with this issue. Only Roze has rights, apparently. Industry lawsuits were not an action, Roze, they were a REaction to an illegal activity. We’ll keep this simple. Pay the price or pass on possession and we have no problem. Take my work for free and I’ll do everything within my human limitations to crucify you.
“Dictate to anyone about anything”? Sorry, you mistake us for the industry. I do not see how you can say that we are taking their websites down, or how we are leading them to arrest, or how we are extorting money from them through FUD. It is the industry dictating to us, not the other way around.
It is the industry who is trying to take away our rights. This is why we cannot just sit around and wait until our rights are taken away. It is as clear as day, that if we do not do something about it, this is what will inevitably happen.
Roze
They are not taking away your rights. They cannot take away that which you never had in the first place. As soon as you understand that the sooner you can get on with your life. Untill then you are simply in a state of denial, fighting for something that doesn’t exist For it to exist would require a total collapse of the system that supports it. That is unlikely to happen, but if it does, there will be nothing left for you to fight for becuase it that very system producing the very thing you are fighting for. You would be the victim of your own success, and it would be an empty victory.
roze is just a kid behind a computer with delusions of grandeur.
even his pirate cohorts don’t understand half of his long-winded, meandering, irrational, opinions.
he is about as far removed from reality as one could possibly be.
@33 stfu
The right not to live under a MAFIAA Gestapo is a right worth fighting for.
Roze
You don’t have to. Don’t buy their movies, don’t buy their music don’t download anything they produce. Ignore them completely. Download free music by independant artists, download and use open source or free software. Vote with your wallet. Don’t give them the fuel they need to stoke their fire, only then will they see that the way they do business is socialy unacceptable, only then will they realize that society does not need them and they will take a pounding. If you continue to download and distribute their crap, you are half doing their job for them, you are helping them to advertise their wares, and though you may not pay for it in terms of money you are paying for it by being their tool. There are better ways of achieving your goal than stooping to their level.
@35 stfu
Ignoring them complete does not solve the fact that they are trying to force everyone to live under a MAFIAA Gestapo. A MAFIAA Gestapo does not go away just by ignoring it. The fact of the matter is that a MAFIAA Gestapo will interfere with everybody using copyright as the excuse.
Boycotting them is all fine and good personally, but unless one establishes an organized way to boycott, and an organized way to get people who are not boycotting already to boycott, then it will not make a dent, and merely be ineffective. That is why organization and unity is much more important.
Civil disobedience is not stooping to their levels, nor is it an endorsement of them. It is simply an act of resistance against control by the MAFIAA Gestapo.
Roze
This looks more like a presidential debate.
Who are you voting for? ;)
once it becomes hard to do this via the net we’ll do it via laptops and extranl drives
we’ll travel around and trade city to city town to town and one way or antoher YOU will get it free.
until they stop being stupid aobut taking OUR rights away like htese secret ACTA meetings on anti counterfeiting stuff aimed at the people that pirate and sell things.
What are they sooooo AFRAID OF TELLING us that IT HAS TO BE DONE IN SECRET??????????
Good on them, I wish we had laws like that in Australia.
Splitice
http://thewarezscene.org
@ Roze
“Ignoring them complete does not solve the fact that they are trying to force everyone to live under a MAFIAA Gestapo”
For god sake get it through your thick head, they are not the getapo, they are a business, and they only way to get a business to listen is by boycotting them and their goods.
As long as you are downloading their crap you are showing them that you are interested in what they have to offer, the net result of which is an interest in controlling that. If you show disinterest then you effectively eliminate any control they have becuase their control stems from want, you want what they have to offer. You do not need civil disobediance, you just want to cause trouble. The alternative are not good enough for you because you want want want. You are a product of them, and you are only showing here that no matter what you say, they STILL have control over you. The sad think is you are too blind to see it.
@stfu and others:
The aim of the action was to get attention from the media, create a public debate, make public that there are people who are against the restriction and control of the Internet and for free culture.
I think we achieved it. Before this action and some others, Government was complying his plan for the Sarkozy’s model and against P2P networks acting like if no one cared about it.
Now, they have to defend themselves, the decisions are on the newspapers, they won’t be able to pass their decisions through the backdoor anymore.
MAFIAA gestapo? ROFL, you dipshit Roze. Way to relate two organistions, one organised crime and another an secret police force.
Ridiculous.
@38 : I doubt it will come to that. If filesharing or encrypted traffic ever become too hard to use by whatever means there’s always stenography. This involves encrypting content in such a way that it’s undetectable as encrypted content or as anything like whatever the content actually is.
So you might hide a music file inside a PICTURE FILE for example.
See http://stegoshare.sourceforge.net/index.html
stfu: “You don’t have to. Don’t buy their movies, don’t buy their music don’t download anything they produce.”
Hahahah.
Nigga, please. Your whole message is that nobody should ever protest against the MAFIAA, and that everybody should stop downloading copyrighted music and movies.
I’m forced to wonder, are you actually trying to make it more and more obvious that you’re a hired MAFIAA plant with every single comment you make?
You’re gonna get fired :(
Lying Mind: “If I worked my ass off on some digital file of work intending to sell and you stole a free copy ….”
First of all, Ricky Retardo, it’s impossible to steal a free copy of anything. Helpful Hint: You should at least wait until you graduate Kindergarten before you start posting on the Internet.
Second, if you’re going to just repeat the delusional fallacy that filesharing is stealing, then I’m going to keep pointing out these two simple facts for the benefit of your poor reality-challenged little mind:
1. FILESHARING IS NOT THEFT, ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF EVERY STATE, PROVINCE, PREFECT, AND NATION ON THE FACE OF THIS ENTIRE PLANET.
2. FILESHARING IS NOT THEFT, ACCORDING TO THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD ‘THEFT’.
So when you call filesharing “stealing”, the only thing you’re doing is letting everybody know that you inhabit an ass-backwards fantasy world.
If your goal was to turn yourself into a total laughingstock, then pat yourself on the back, son. Mission accomplished.
"FILESHARING IS NOT THEFT, ACCORDING TO THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD 'THEFT'."
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DEFINITION(S) OF "STEAL"
1. to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, esp. secretly or by force
2. to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or acknowledgment.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/steal
so anon, If your goal was to turn yourself into a total laughingstock, then pat yourself on the back, son. Mission accomplished.
I think this argument will always come full circle, products that I purchase should entitle me to share them or give them away to who ever I want. When we start getting into the technical aspects of the actual content on the physical media format, there really is no separation of the physical disk and the content which has been encoded on it. I’m not really concerned with the contracts that come with the disk/format, because the law supersedes any wishy washy contracts between the customer and the company.
I don’t feel like I’m stealing from anyone, if someone didn’t want to share his/her copy of our culture, then he/she would not have posted it up on a P2P site or software. The people who take the position of “it’s piracy”, are shortsighted and have very simplistic views of copyright laws.
thanks binsy, i enjoyed your video. some very salient and cogent arguments. good stuff :)
The concept of “intellectual property”, that artists have an inherent right to control the use of their works has no moral reasoning. The concept has just become so ingrained, because of copyright laws, that people assume that it is a moral argument.
There IS a moral argument that artists should be supported, but copyright is only one means to facilitate that, and one which is becoming increasingly obsolete in the modern era.
We are just starting to stand up a global campaign to promote P2P as the most powerful tool ever created for spreading culture, you will receive some news really soon, any international colaboration will be appreciated ;-)
Let's show that network acts now, and we will fight not just to stop "P2P criminalization", but to promote the recognition of this tool by our governments.
Some interesting points above with some terrible analogies (Godwin’s Law in full effect).
I believe that most downloaders see it as a petty crime (if a crime at all) and until it hits them in the pocket they’ll carry on doing it. STFU’s correct when saying people wouldn’t want to break other laws to continue this practice.
However, all attempts by the industry to stop this are pretty much of the sledgehammer to crack a nut approach. If the industry carry on with three strikes and trying to enforce disproportionate punishments people will protest (read a Davenport Lyons thread).
Me, I’ll carry on boycotting games with DRM, and won’t buy a DVD for as long as they put that “you wouldn’t steal ..” crap on it.
Actually, the prospect of a MAFIAA Gestapo is getting closer and closer. If you think that a MAFIAA Gestapo is not what the industry leaders want, you must be blind. After all, copyright regulates what people do with their private property – and the only way to do that is to have a MAFIAA Gestapo.
Actually, a MAFIAA Gestapo is exactly what the industry leaders are striving for. A law which regulates uses of private property requires a MAFIAA Gestapo to enforce it – and that is what they want.
WRONG AGAIN.
When file-sharing, one is not taking without permission. If a friend is giving a copy of something, the fact is that the friend owns the copy, and since the friend is giving it, one has the permission of the friend to take the copy.
So, freetard, if your goal was to turn yourself into a total laughingstock, then pat yourself on the back, son. Mission accomplished.
here some more stuff to check:
http://labbs.net/~snaker/accion_p2p_HQ.avi
subtitles in english:
http://doku.locolandia.net/~snaker/accion_p2p_english.srt
Good work Spain
The thing is that I am quite sure that there is a substantial population of people who think that file-sharing is a good, and that the recent actions to install a MAFIAA Gespato are bad – the only problem is in mobilizing these people, who seem somewhat apathetic right now about their rights.
Well, in order for boycotts to be truly effective, one must also propagate the idea to other people, rather than let the boycott remain confined to oneself.
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Actually, they are quite the Gestapo. They are using copyright to turn the internet into a police state. After all, copyright does regulate what people can do with their private property – and, if ever actually enforced, would, in fact, require a MAFIAA Gestapo, elements of which have already come into existence.
The fact is that to oppose the MAFIAA Gestapo is a good enough cause for civil disobedience. Civil obedience have changed business practices in the past, like sit-ins, for example.
Roze
Actually, if there was an age requirement, you would be the one who is not here.
Moreover, the only reason why you think that commercial usage of their products cannot create enough profits is merely because you are retarded. There are plenty of commercial usages for anything. It is much more fruitful to make money for usages which actually make money, than usages which make no money at all. In fact, the idea of subsisting on people using it for non-commercial purposes is retarded itself. The only reason why they would fail to subsist, is their own failure, since there is no inherent right to make money off of other people. In fact, to control usages of an idea or thought, which make no money at all, is tantamount to thought police, since it is the control over what people do with a certain idea or thought, eliminating freedom of speech and freedom of thought.
Actually, if there was an age requirement, you would be the one who is not here.
Moreover, the only reason why you think that commercial usage of their products cannot create enough profits is merely because you are retarded. There are plenty of commercial usages for anything. It is much more fruitful to make money for usages which actually make money, than usages which make no money at all. In fact, the idea of subsisting on people using it for non-commercial purposes is retarded itself, since it is infinitely better to actually use it in an operation that does make money. Ideas, after all, such as that contained in video games, are meant to be used, not concealed or controlled, and under copyright, they have the exclusive right to use it commercially. The only reason why they would fail to subsist, is their own failure, since there is no inherent right to make money off of other people. In fact, to control usages of an idea or thought, which make no money at all, is tantamount to thought police, since it is the control over what people do with a certain idea or thought, eliminating freedom of speech and freedom of thought.
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"Nigga, please. Your whole message is that nobody should ever protest against the MAFIAA, and that everybody should stop downloading copyrighted music and movies.
I'm forced to wonder, are you actually trying to make it more and more obvious that you're a hired MAFIAA plant with every single comment you make?"
This plant crap is getting tedious. Let me put it to you this way i can pop over to a certain site, log in on my admin account and view the account details of hundreds of thousands of bittorrent users, so no, I am not a plant, my views on the use of bittorrent differ from yours, but in your tiny mind that makes me some sort of industry plant? Its called an opinion and I am as entitled to mine as you are to yours.
By refusing to support the media industry in any way shape or form you are protesting. Of course that is too much for some of you becuase you cannot live without them. You are sad little people who cant go without your daily fix of axxo rips and scene releases. While that in itself is not an issue, those of you who can find nothing better to do than whine about your non existant right to rip people off only shows those of us (that at least have some morals) that there is no limit to the lowness a freetard will stoop to achieve their goal of destroying the media industry. You do not really care about changing it for the better, because better is not good enough for you. You will not be satisfied untill the only one who has rights is yourself and your ilk. If ever that day comes there will be no one left for you to rip off, then what will you do, when there in nothing left worth downloading? You are 100x more destuctive to the cause commited to the reform of copyright, because you have proven than no matter what, you will never be happy and you will always feel hard done by.
You are most probably an industry plant. Don't say that they don't exist: they do.
By refusing to support the MAFIAA, of course one is protesting. File-sharing is, in fact, refusing to support the MAFIAA.
Also, you are completely retarded when you say, "rip people off." No, it is not ripping anybody off. It is simply the communication and transmission of ideas. You are the one without morals, wanting to impose a MAFIAA Gestapo to control what other people do with ideas and thoughts, based on the idea that some "owner" who "owns" a thought or idea can control what other people do with a thought or idea, and impose a police state on the internet. You are just totalitarian scum.
Destroying the MAFIAA is a good thing, especially with all the recent efforts to turn the internet into a police state. Nobody here is saying that copyright should altogether be abolished, but rather that it be reformed: that only commercial usages be reserved for them. And they could easily make more money from the commercial usages. Yet, they don't, and the only reason that they do not is that they just want to retain control over what other people do with such ideas or thoughts.
You really do have to be extra special form of retard to suggest that the video game industry subsist solely on the "commercial use" of their products.
Anyone with an average IQ would immediately wrinkle their brow at the mere thought of something so inherently, obviously dumb.
Maybe if there was an age requirement for leaving comments, none of us would have to suffer through page after page of Roze's spam.
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As usual Roze goes and just makes shit up. Nothing i have said even remotely suggests support for totalitarianism, you're just an idiot who can't read. i dont care what people do in the privacy of their own home, I dont care if they download crap. Do you understand that? Probably not becuase your stupid. If anyone hear is candidate for being a plant its probably you, get em to reveal themselves so they can be rounded up and shot. You know Hitler had people just like you, who pretended to be on the side of "good". Your single minded views have gotten old, no one gives a crap about your opinions, you're just a boring little person with no clue about the real world, and yes if ever someone did fit that stereotypical view of a spotty 15 year old locked away in their parents basement downloading porn to fap too its Roze. Can I haz rightz? Kthxbai. Boo hoo, gestapo this mafiaa that you're a sum bag freetard who probably steals their neighbors internet, squats in someone elses house and steals food from the local supermarket, and all becuase you've got some self appointed right to take whatever you want. You are a loser, Roze.
Actually, it is less trivial than you think. It is not at all merely about "getting and downloading stuff." In your deluded mind, it is, but in reality (which, of course, does not correspond to your deluded mind), the issue of copyright has, in fact, much greater implications.
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whenever roze says "in fact…" or "the fact is…" you can be rest assured that whatever follows is the farthest possible thing from a verifiable fact that could possible have been cited.
the fact is, roze's views are about as far removed from reality as the ambiguously-pubescent japanese cartoons he jacks off to.
Probably not because your stupid. If anyone hear is candidate for being a plant its probably you, get em to reveal themselves so they can be rounded up and shot. You know Hitler had people just like you, who pretended to be on the side of "good". Your single minded views have gotten old, no one gives a crap about your opinions, you're just a boring little person with no clue about the real world, and yes if ever someone did fit that stereotypical view of a spotty 40 year old locked away in their parents basement downloading kiddie porn to fap to with their employers its stfu
Thanks for telling us all the truth about you, great that its finally come out in your comments i just edited it for you so its acurate =0)
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Always after the last word aren't you troll, you'll never have it as we all know freetrard/ stfu/ nubcakes/ eric/ reasoned mind are the same retard or retards pushing the same social engineering that you've been paid to do otherwise you wouldn't be here. We come here cause we want to not cause were made/paid to.
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Think about prices before sell anything.
I need to move to Spain!
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