Top Pirate Reveals Warez Scene Secrets, Attracts MPAA Lawyer’s Attention
Written by enigmax on November 19, 2007Last week, a senior member of the warez scene took part in a rare interview. In it, he reveals some interesting things about this shadowy world but the question is: Did he reveal too much? MPAA pirate-chasing lawyer Espen Tondel now says that The Scene will be “brought to justice”.
We’ve carried articles in the past about the Scene. So legend goes, these people are ultra-secretive but of course there’s always a few who like to talk, despite being targeted by law enforcement in cases such as Operation Fastlink and Operation Buccaneer.
Last week, an administrator of a Topsite (an important guy, near to the top of the so-called ‘Piracy Pyramid‘) linked to some very famous release groups, broke cover in a very rare interview with Trond Bie of itavisen.no, seemingly giving away quite a few secrets such as the security techniques used by the Scene and the locations of some of their servers. He also explains why the Scene dislikes torrents and sites like The Pirate Bay, and reveals how some torrent sites manage to get Scene releases so quickly.
In the interview, the Site-Op mocks the efforts of Norwegian police in trying to shutdown the Norwegian Scene, joking that Norwegian law prevents them from being caught in the traditional ways. This attitude could’ve been the thing that attracted the eye of Espen Tondel, the aggressive MPAA/IFPI lawyer who also talked about action against torrent sites recently. RayJoha, a reader of TorrentFreak who did a lot of work on this article, contacted Tondel and asked him a few questions which you can read at the bottom of this article.
The Interview (translation from Norwegian, courtesy RayJoha)
The guy we talked to is one of the few administrators of a Topsite in Norway. He’s in his mid twenties, is a student of programming and has been a part of the Scene for many years. He first became a Topsite Site-Op in 2003 and has since been responsible for adding users, banning ruleset violators and programming automating IRC-scripts.
In addition to being a Site-Op he also has his own home-based server where he downloads movies, games and TV-shows to and from the Topsites. He has a very fast Internet connection which make it possible to download a DVD movie in minutes.
Everybody keeps everybody informed
In addition to categories such as games, software, music and movies we have a news category on the Topsites warning against raids. Lamers are also posted in this news category. It’s also possible to find out who leaks warez to trackers and the P2P community. Those who leak will be banned from the Scene. It is very easy for the police to find those people who are spreading torrents.
One of the reasons it is quite difficult to break the Scene is due to a very sophisticated security system. The system we use on Topsites and IRC is SSL. This comes on top of Blowfish-aggregation on IRC. You have to log in to one of the Topsites to get the Blowkey password. Without Blowkey everything will be encrypted. The Topsites encrypt everything with SSL.
It’s not unusual to have 30 TerraBytes of warez on a Topsite. Last summer German police raided a Topsite which had 40 members. The following was posted on Topsites news sections to warn the entire Scene, (from German):
New police action in Germany. This morning 40 members got a visit from the BKA, (Bundes Kriminal Amt). All user accounts etc…. Everybody that has visited the site is in great danger!
I miss you
Laws must change?
Changing the laws will have no effect. The MP3 legislation… the only thing they do is make it difficult for ordinary downloaders/torrent users – those who download from a website, torrentsite, Limewire or with any other P2P software. It would be easier for the government if the police could create their own ‘entrapment servers’, but they could only hurt the Scene, not destroy it.
What’s the probability of getting caught?
HaHa, there’s almost no chance of getting caught in Norway. The Norwegian police cannot do anything illegal to get somebody. By law, they cannot set up servers to entice users to join. All the users in the network know each other. Members of the Scene have joined only through someone vouching for them. I do it because it’s a learning experience and fun. I learn a lot about running servers, programming, (C, C ++, Java and scripting). I started with this before I realized I could have a career in programming. When you learn a few programming languages it’s quite easy to pick up new ones.
His interest in file sharing has been there for years, but it took some time before he became a Topsite Site-Op. He reveals that there are lot of Norwegian ISPs, especially those that deliver fiber connections, that have Topsite servers as customers.
The first time I became a Site-Op it was 2003. I started setting up servers on my own, but at that time we had no affiliation with the Scene. There are lots of sites on Lyse, Hafslund and Sandefjord and I also know that servers are found around university campuses.
The Site-Op tells us that he has no plans of quitting piracy, even when he gets a real job in the software business.
It’s real hard to catch pirates, i’ve learned. I get to understand how it works, making it possible to protect myself against it. Anything that comes to market is cracked even before we post it. There’s no point for the industry in spending millions on copy protection.
The social side of the Scene
Is there a social environment in the Scene or is it just IRC chatting all the time?
Nobody sees anybody. The IRC OPs knows who the others are, but normally we don’t know who they are in real life. We only use nick names.
The Site-Op feels it’s easy to replace persons that are arrested in raids with some exceptions. Game crackers [people who remove copy protection] can’t easily be replaced. There’s just a few people with their skills around.
It’s correct that you can’t easily replace a cracker, it’s a real genius game. Sometimes we might lose everyone, but they’re real hard to catch. Let’s say they manage to cripple the Game-Scene, but they still have to deal with movies and music, and thats something Mr. anybody can do. [Rip movies and music]
The FBI are allowed to set up fake servers, but they are not successful in their endeavors. If the Norwegian police are going to catch anyone they have to adopt the same strategy. You can’t take down Topsites without resorting to illegality: they’d have to distribute copyrighted material. Actually doing something illegal. note: strictly prohibited in Norway
Site-Op’s responsibilities
I don’t know any informants, but there is a strong possibility there are some. If the Scene discovers this the individual will be banned with the help of Topsite news and barred from access to any resource within the Scene.
As a Site-Op he has a series of tasks perform in order for the site to work properly.
A Site-Op adds users and makes sure the ruleset are obeyed. He’s programming and scripting. Linux servers are almost always running glftpd.
Pre-Information
The Site-Op is one of a selected few who has pre-information. Pre-information is information about a specific warez that haven’t been shared with anyone yet. The different groups, (Razor1911, Fairlight etc), have their own folders on the Topsites with not yet released content. The competition is fierce when it comes to being the first to release a movie or a game.
When a “ware” is pre-released a so-called Race starts. A Race means that every Topsite tries to be the first to distribute. In this way the Scene is almost like an economy in itself. First to market doesn’t mean monetary survival but rather the gain of Respect.
There are unbelievably few people that has pre-information. Only Admins can browse all Pre-folders. One shouldn`t sneak a peak on a pre. It’s a rule not to browse on somebody else’s folder.
The Site-Op’s connections with the ‘Big’ people in the Scene
A Site-Op communicates with the real ‘big-wigs’ in the Scene – the ones that really puzzle the game and movie industries. The largest groups use their own IRC servers to communicate, while the Topsites often use Linknet with SSL.
We are in direct contact with Fairlight and the others. We talk to them on IRC. A great proportion of them are Linknet. The largest Topsites have their own servers giving them increased security.
Additionally, the Site-Op reveals that many Sceners post internal information on Wikipedia.
The scene harbours ill feelings towards the torrent community. According to the Scene they are stealing their warez and posting it on trackers. The Scene is of the opinion that it’s real easy to bust people that posts warez on torrent sites like The Pirate Bay.
What happens is that people leak from the Scene to torrent sites just before a release. That indicates that these lamers have access to early sites. And if you are the one of those that does this you are categorized as an Insecure user and therefore banned from the Scene. So, to be clear, this is the only connection we have to the torrent scene.
Dislike of The Pirate Bay
We, as Site-ops, have no fondness for The Pirate Bay. We do not want to talk to the press because it pressures the police to focus on us. As a software programmer I dislike file sharing, because of the small companies that suffers from it. Members of the Scene learn a lot and find it to be a fun experience. The top Sceners buy the music and the movies on DVD anyway.
As an example I have purchased, ( With money ), FlashFXP to support the developers. This is software I use a lot. If you follow this thinking the best thing to do is to get rid of all the file sharers, mainly because it`s so insecure. The police are able to just walk in and identify the sharers. END
Q+A: Espen Tondel, MPAA/IFPI lawyer
Q: Is there anything in this interview that gives you tips on how to get these guys?
Let me put it this way – we have a considerable amount of information about these sites. We know how they work.
Q :Do you think this article [the original interview] will make it easier to bring the Norwegian Scene to justice, considering that he reveals what kind of software and which ISPs they’re using?
From my point of view the Norwegian Scene will be brought to justice, we possess a lot of information.
Q: Norway has always been at the forefront of technology development. Do you think Hollywood should target Norway first?
Norway is obviously a good place for tech development and we have necessary legislation hence Norway is a good place for pursuing these kind of activities. We have the full backing of the Motion Picture Association in doing that.
Did this guy give away too many secrets or is Tondel simply bluffing? Time will tell.
Update: Some people are naturally questioning the authenticity of the guy claiming to be a Site-Op. The author of the original article, Trond Bie from Norway’s ITavisen has just confirmed that he conducted this interview at his home and all the time he was watching the Site-Op doing ‘administrative stuff’ on the topsite which he says, couldn’t be mistaken for anything else.
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113 Responses
lame
any regular user on a decent private torrent trackers pre-channel knows these info ..
give us something new “Top Pirate ”
lol
hahaha. ‘races.’
let’s have a race, guys!
any idiot knows this crap… i noe all this shit am i a sysop, topsite king now?
I highly doubt that interview is true. if he’s *really* that important in the scene, he would probably never agreed with doing such an interview, and defiantly not agreed with it being posted on a site for p2p-lamers like this one.
Go ahead, prove me wrong, I like that.
to MPAA: please die thx.
Someone send the guy an email with http://www.welcometothescene.com/
this could be a fame interview done by
torrentfreak .. stop doing this freaks .. rofl
what a wanker
“We do not want to talk to the press because it pressures the police to focus on us.”
So what are you doing now???
That lawyer is bluffing by the way.
that lawyer doesn’t know shit. he’s just bullshitting to intimidate people. look at the way he answes questions “we know alot of information”.
lol
[quote comment="217948"]I highly doubt that interview is true. if he’s *really* that important in the scene, he would probably never agreed with doing such an interview, and defiantly not agreed with it being posted on a site for p2p-lamers like this one.
Go ahead, prove me wrong, I like that.[/quote]
This interview wasn`t done by Torrentfreak but Itavisen.no. The source of the original article had no idea it would be written about at this site.
If he`s legit or not? I wouldn`t know, but the newspaper were it was posted is very reputable.
It probably is real. It gives nothing away except that they are really secure, as expected. Maybe he shouldn’t have said locations.
All you people mocking the so-called scene shouldn’t. P2P would be shit without it – quality would go out the window, 90% of the stuff is from there. Even your beloved Axxo re-encodes scene releases.
it shouldn’t be shocking that LYSE is used for topsites. they’re one of the few that provides “swedish” internet connections in norway.
It never says anywhere in the interview that the lawyer learned anything new. And besides the interview with the site op gave away next to nothing. *sarcasm*I mean SSL encryption, I am sure that IFPI never thought of that.*/sarcasm*
[quote]This interview wasn`t done by Torrentfreak but Itavisen.no. The source of the original article had no idea it would be written about at this site.[/quote]
you’re missing the point. if he was an actual scener, he would not give any information to *any* media. This interview is an oxymoron, as he states in the interview itself that sceners would never allow an interview to hit the mass media (( not exactly said like that, but it basically comes down to that. ))
lol. Having sceners hate the P2P networks and file sharers has been like that since the start.
Back when I had my Amiga the Scene material was leaked onto public BBS pretty quickly. It is not going to change.
At the moment the Scene is in tatters. The groups are corrupting the rules and getting scenebans, the amount of nukes is off the chart, it’s less secretive and easily accessible to the public.
The happy go lucky days of Amiga warez and their nice welcoming intros are gone. Now its all “we rule, you suck”
Lamerz\
[quote]All you people mocking the so-called scene shouldn’t. P2P would be shit without it – quality would go out the window, 90% of the stuff is from there. Even your beloved Axxo re-encodes scene releases.[/quote]
I think they just do it because they are called P2P-lamers by the sceners, and with reason. warez used to be pretty harmless, as it was a ’small’ (( read: few thousand, I’m talking 80’s here.. )) amount of people sharing warez. Because of P2P, it got the attention of the regular joe (( who wanted warez to not pay, instead of making a competition of who had a firstrelease, who had the best crack, etc. )) and people like the RIAA.
I’m not saying P2P is bad per-se, it just could have been less bad.
flames to /dev/null please, don’t have time for that.
[quote]lol. Having sceners hate the P2P networks and file sharers has been like that since the start.
Back when I had my Amiga the Scene material was leaked onto public BBS pretty quickly. It is not going to change.
At the moment the Scene is in tatters. The groups are corrupting the rules and getting scenebans, the amount of nukes is off the chart, it’s less secretive and easily accessible to the public.
The happy go lucky days of Amiga warez and their nice welcoming intros are gone. Now its all “we rule, you suck”
Lamerz\[/quote]
hehe, exactly. even though I was too young to realize at that time, I now love cracktros.. both for Amiga and C64. too bad indeed that it doesn’t happen anymore.
yeah I don’t think the lawyer said anything. He simply repeated the question in answer form lol.
[quote comment="218014"]All you people mocking the so-called scene shouldn’t. P2P would be shit without it – quality would go out the window, 90% of the stuff is from there. Even your beloved Axxo re-encodes scene releases.[/quote]
Once the CDs and DVDs come out, anyone can rip those…
Not all of us have to see/hear the absolute latest stuff.
P2P is much more than The Scene.
Quote: you’re missing the point. if he was an actual scener, he would not give any information to *any* media. This interview is an oxymoron, as he states in the interview itself that sceners would never allow an interview to hit the mass media (( not exactly said like that, but it basically comes down to that. ))[/quote]
The jounalist just stated in an e-mail to me the following:
“I did the interview at the Site-ops home all the while watching the pirate doing administrative stuff that could not be mistaken for anything else.”
The warez scene is hierarchical and outdated. About best thing that could be said about it is that it has a minor MySpace effect to it, i.e. it keeps the kiddies who’re into power games and reputation drama in their own sandboxes.
[quote comment="218069"]The warez scene is hierarchical and outdated. About best thing that could be said about it is that it has a minor MySpace effect to it, i.e. it keeps the kiddies who’re into power games and reputation drama in their own sandboxes.[/quote]
…says the guy who probably is a p2p-lamer himself…
Well, there’s not really anything new on there. This is how the scene has been operating for years, and one would expect the feds to actually look at the servers after raids, so the fact that they use IRC + Blowfish and glftpd + SSL shouldn’t surprise anybody (at least, not the top anti-piracy outfits… we all know that regular policemen are dumb)
I doubt there will be many repercussions due to this article… Maybe Norway will have pressure put on it, but without any actual informants, or other busts to get IP addresses from, there’s nothing they will be able to do anyways.
[quote comment="218076"]…says the guy who probably is a p2p-lamer himself…[/quote]
Indeed I am, and a damned communist too. Equality between peers is an idea that naturally appeals to me. And seeding something I also wanted for myself is a nice, if minimal, way to give back. Information, including cultural products, is more valuable in total when distributed as far and wide as possible. Warez for everyone, in short.
Also, didn’t you just verify my point about the reputation drama?
Hey my fellow Americans.
I am glad for this information so our police officers which you refer to as pigs, and FBI Agents can arrest you and put an end to Warez and Filesharing.
Our police/CIA Pigs will try to rape and Subdue you all and throw you all into Guantanamo Bay.
Hahahahahahahaha
God Bless America! Your going down terrorists :) :$
The elitism of this guy is disgusting.
No, copying releases you make and putting them on bittorrent isn’t stealing.
[quote comment="218089"]Hey my fellow Americans.
I am glad for this information so our police officers which you refer to as pigs, and FBI Agents can arrest you and put an end to Warez and Filesharing.
Our police/CIA Pigs will try to rape and Subdue you all and throw you all into Guantanamo Bay.
Hahahahahahahaha
God Bless America! Your going down terrorists :) :$[/quote]
I lol:ed.
[quote comment="218096"][quote comment="218089"]Hey my fellow Americans.
I am glad for this information so our police officers which you refer to as pigs, and FBI Agents can arrest you and put an end to Warez and Filesharing.
Our police/CIA Pigs will try to rape and Subdue you all and throw you all into Guantanamo Bay.
Hahahahahahahaha
God Bless America! Your going down terrorists :) :$[/quote]
I lol:ed.[/quote]
Don’t laugh at your president. I am higher then you, please respect your superior. I am your GoD!
Worship me and my Corporate bullies or be tortured and put in prison for 10 years.
hahahahaha laugh now my american subjects.
The only thing we really need to now in this topic is that mininova sucks and always will….Mmmmkay pumpkins? :) <3
whats this lawyers rep? oh, he’s known for losing to dvd-jon and talking a lot of talk xD
as for the interview, it doesnt really give out any “new” info as stated above, but it does kinda bring the focus on norwegian pirates :\
So he dislikes file sharing (what he’s doing himself) and it’s only ok as long as just _they_ do it and not the general public and then he makes the same “excuse” that ordinary filesharers do? He’s almost sounding more hypocritical than his enemy…
[quote]So he dislikes file sharing (what he’s doing himself) and it’s only ok as long as just _they_ do it and not the general public and then he makes the same “excuse” that ordinary filesharers do? He’s almost sounding more hypocritical than his enemy…[/quote]
Exactly, a hypocrite; “we can do it, but you can’t”.
“the scene” is a joke, always has been always will be. Nothing is going to change if they all got busted.
HOLY SHIT!! Are you serious they use SSL encryption! OH MAN! Sys Ops can ban people! NO WAY! Warez sites have massive archives of pirated data!! OH MY GOD!! It’s hard to crack a game!
There’s no way abyone could ever have known this if they weren’t a big shot warez scene admin!!
Aaannddd… sarcasm finshed…
Now this “site op” is clearly a total douche trying to gain the respect of thousands of people he’ll even know read this, let alone meet in person. He’s obviously just some nerd who wants a bit of attention and wants to feel like he is above people.
If this guy was actually from “The Scene” (oh no i said the sacred name, strike me down god of warez! rofl!) and it was like he said (ie they wouldn’t expose themselves to the media because they don’t wanna get caught) he wouldn’t have down an interview with a “reputable” newspaper (betcha 1000 points of scene cred, oh shit i said it again im sure to go to pirate hell now, that it was just on some n00b ass site like this one).
This guy is just a n00b with a computer and even a supern00b could figure that out because he contradicts himself about a million times and the fact that he’s doing an interview is contradictory in itself.
So there you go Mr I can beat the Norwegian cops (seriously it cant be that hard, if they’re even game to go out in that kinda cold what are they gonna do, subdue you with a barrage of highly efficient computer parts), you’re a n00b, a douche and i highly doubt you have a cock.
As for that lawyer, he’s just a bald pinny… “We have alot of information.” So do I… just from reading your interview I know that 1) you know nothing, never have, never will, you are a n00b of detectiving 2) You don’t even know you’re own laws, thus you must also be a n00b of lawyering and 3) just by how cool you think you are saying stuff like “We possess alot of information.” i can tell you must possess not only no information, but no cock either.
And by the way total n00b guy who did all the translating (i don’t remember what the fuck your name is joey ray or billy joe or i’m a stupid ass cock smoking hick… whatever) anyone can make it look like they’re important on a computer, all it takes is to open up FlashFXP, get into a decent FTP, cascade that behind an active µTorrent window thats been reskinned and open your my computer with a bunch of virtual drives in detail mode grouped by type.
Filesharing will live for ever, and there’s nothing any of you can do to stop it. It is the past, it is the present, it is the future. The α and the ω (That’s the lower case form of the greek letters alpha and omega, the first and last letters of the greek alphabet, for all you n00bs who didn’t get that). Sure, eventually we’ll collapse upon ourselves, but that’s gonna be long after I’m dead, and long after my children are dead. Seem self destructive? It is. But we’re all gonna die sometime, I might die before all of you, but I’ll have lived more than all of you put together.
In short, FUCK THE SCENE! FUCK THE SITE OPS! FUCK THE COPS! FUCK THE LAWYERS AND THE MPAA AND THE IFPI!
LONG LIVE PIRACY!
[quote comment="218107"][quote comment="218096"][quote comment="218089"]Hey my fellow Americans.
I am glad for this information so our police officers which you refer to as pigs, and FBI Agents can arrest you and put an end to Warez and Filesharing.
Our police/CIA Pigs will try to rape and Subdue you all and throw you all into Guantanamo Bay.
Hahahahahahahaha
God Bless America! Your going down terrorists :) :$[/quote]
I lol:ed.[/quote]
Don’t laugh at your president. I am higher then you, please respect your superior. I am your GoD!
Worship me and my Corporate bullies or be tortured and put in prison for 10 years.
hahahahaha laugh now my american subjects.[/quote]
Sorry, I’m Swedish, you know, Europe’s third largest country which is home for some of the largest torrent sites. And as always, you can threat but you can’t act. :P
[quote]…says the guy who probably is a p2p-lamer himself…[/quote]
You can’t think of any actual criticism, so you just call someone a “lamer”?
Yay for people who think they are superior beings and deserve free data and no one else does.
[quote]flames to /dev/null please, don’t have time for that.[/quote]
cat /dev/urandom >> /home/Knoeki/.Torrentfreak/message.txt
[quote comment="218212"]HOLY SHIT!! Are you serious they use SSL encryption! OH MAN! Sys Ops can ban people! NO WAY! Warez sites have massive archives of pirated data!! OH MY GOD!! It’s hard to crack a game!
There’s no way abyone could ever have known this if they weren’t a big shot warez scene admin!!
Aaannddd… sarcasm finshed…
Now this “site op” is clearly a total douche trying to gain the respect of thousands of people he’ll even know read this, let alone meet in person. He’s obviously just some nerd who wants a bit of attention and wants to feel like he is above people.
If this guy was actually from “The Scene” (oh no i said the sacred name, strike me down god of warez! rofl!) and it was like he said (ie they wouldn’t expose themselves to the media because they don’t wanna get caught) he wouldn’t have down an interview with a “reputable” newspaper (betcha 1000 points of scene cred, oh shit i said it again im sure to go to pirate hell now, that it was just on some n00b ass site like this one).
This guy is just a n00b with a computer and even a supern00b could figure that out because he contradicts himself about a million times and the fact that he’s doing an interview is contradictory in itself.
So there you go Mr I can beat the Norwegian cops (seriously it cant be that hard, if they’re even game to go out in that kinda cold what are they gonna do, subdue you with a barrage of highly efficient computer parts), you’re a n00b, a douche and i highly doubt you have a cock.
As for that lawyer, he’s just a bald pinny… “We have alot of information.” So do I… just from reading your interview I know that 1) you know nothing, never have, never will, you are a n00b of detectiving 2) You don’t even know you’re own laws, thus you must also be a n00b of lawyering and 3) just by how cool you think you are saying stuff like “We possess alot of information.” i can tell you must possess not only no information, but no cock either.
And by the way total n00b guy who did all the translating (i don’t remember what the fuck your name is joey ray or billy joe or i’m a stupid ass cock smoking hick… whatever) anyone can make it look like they’re important on a computer, all it takes is to open up FlashFXP, get into a decent FTP, cascade that behind an active µTorrent window thats been reskinned and open your my computer with a bunch of virtual drives in detail mode grouped by type.
Filesharing will live for ever, and there’s nothing any of you can do to stop it. It is the past, it is the present, it is the future. The α and the ω (That’s the lower case form of the greek letters alpha and omega, the first and last letters of the greek alphabet, for all you n00bs who didn’t get that). Sure, eventually we’ll collapse upon ourselves, but that’s gonna be long after I’m dead, and long after my children are dead. Seem self destructive? It is. But we’re all gonna die sometime, I might die before all of you, but I’ll have lived more than all of you put together.
In short, FUCK THE SCENE! FUCK THE SITE OPS! FUCK THE COPS! FUCK THE LAWYERS AND THE MPAA AND THE IFPI!
LONG LIVE PIRACY![/quote]
It would be quite fun to see The Scene crumble from their “high throne” and suddenly relize the thruth that if they fall more will finally begin to rip/crack/whatever and release it on torrent sites. It are only The Scene groups who are big right now. I like to see that changed.
[quote comment="218212"]HOLY SHIT!! Are you serious they use SSL encryption! OH MAN! Sys Ops can ban people! NO WAY! Warez sites have massive archives of pirated data!! OH MY GOD!! It’s hard to crack a game!
There’s no way abyone could ever have known this if they weren’t a big shot warez scene admin!!
Aaannddd… sarcasm finshed…
Now this “site op” is clearly a total douche trying to gain the respect of thousands of people he’ll even know read this, let alone meet in person. He’s obviously just some nerd who wants a bit of attention and wants to feel like he is above people.
If this guy was actually from “The Scene” (oh no i said the sacred name, strike me down god of warez! rofl!) and it was like he said (ie they wouldn’t expose themselves to the media because they don’t wanna get caught) he wouldn’t have down an interview with a “reputable” newspaper (betcha 1000 points of scene cred, oh shit i said it again im sure to go to pirate hell now, that it was just on some n00b ass site like this one).
This guy is just a n00b with a computer and even a supern00b could figure that out because he contradicts himself about a million times and the fact that he’s doing an interview is contradictory in itself.
So there you go Mr I can beat the Norwegian cops (seriously it cant be that hard, if they’re even game to go out in that kinda cold what are they gonna do, subdue you with a barrage of highly efficient computer parts), you’re a n00b, a douche and i highly doubt you have a cock.
As for that lawyer, he’s just a bald pinny… “We have alot of information.” So do I… just from reading your interview I know that 1) you know nothing, never have, never will, you are a n00b of detectiving 2) You don’t even know you’re own laws, thus you must also be a n00b of lawyering and 3) just by how cool you think you are saying stuff like “We possess alot of information.” i can tell you must possess not only no information, but no cock either.
And by the way total n00b guy who did all the translating (i don’t remember what the fuck your name is joey ray or billy joe or i’m a stupid ass cock smoking hick… whatever) anyone can make it look like they’re important on a computer, all it takes is to open up FlashFXP, get into a decent FTP, cascade that behind an active µTorrent window thats been reskinned and open your my computer with a bunch of virtual drives in detail mode grouped by type.
Filesharing will live for ever, and there’s nothing any of you can do to stop it. It is the past, it is the present, it is the future. The α and the ω (That’s the lower case form of the greek letters alpha and omega, the first and last letters of the greek alphabet, for all you n00bs who didn’t get that). Sure, eventually we’ll collapse upon ourselves, but that’s gonna be long after I’m dead, and long after my children are dead. Seem self destructive? It is. But we’re all gonna die sometime, I might die before all of you, but I’ll have lived more than all of you put together.
In short, FUCK THE SCENE! FUCK THE SITE OPS! FUCK THE COPS! FUCK THE LAWYERS AND THE MPAA AND THE IFPI!
LONG LIVE PIRACY![/quote]
lol
I agree with #36, fuck the scene, faggots.
As an admin of both a topsite and a small game torrentsite, I can say with full confidence that the interviewee is made of asshole.
What a hypocritical lamer. I’d invite him to my game site but he’d probably DDoS it.
forget the article!
read what the real authorities are doing:
http://rapidshare.com/files/70898448/GVU.pdf.html
its in german and from the german counterpart of the MPAA+RIA (GVU)
@43
looks awesome… maybe some one has this from the MPAA & Co??
too bad for the ones who can’t read german :O
hello, everybody,
i am the absolutely top guy of the scene, and now i’m sitting home, doing, er… administrative stuff, and i’m buying all the cds and dvds for money, right now, so… er… i am top guy. and my secrets are that… i don’t tell, are… that i’m a top guy and i don’t tell secrets. never.
[quote comment="218288"]hello, everybody,
i am the absolutely top guy of the scene, and now i’m sitting home, doing, er… administrative stuff, and i’m buying all the cds and dvds for money, right now, so… er… i am top guy. and my secrets are that… i don’t tell, are… that i’m a top guy and i don’t tell secrets. never.[/quote]
*cough* *rollseyes*
What is “the scene?” I thought it only pertained to 12-16 year old boys and girls that wear skin tight pants that go to punk rock shows where they can socialize with other homos alike.
[quote]What is “the scene?” I thought it only pertained to 12-16 year old boys and girls that wear skin tight pants that go to punk rock shows where they can socialize with other homos alike.[/quote]
I thought that was odd when I found out about that. I was reading on a forum and someone asked if anyone liked scene music – then they went on to talk about bands that are part of the whole modern pop music “emo” thing.
[quote comment="218213"][quote comment="218107"][quote comment="218096"][quote comment="218089"]Hey my fellow Americans.
I am glad for this information so our police officers which you refer to as pigs, and FBI Agents can arrest you and put an end to Warez and Filesharing.
Our police/CIA Pigs will try to rape and Subdue you all and throw you all into Guantanamo Bay.
Hahahahahahahaha
God Bless America! Your going down terrorists :) :$[/quote]
I lol:ed.[/quote]
Don’t laugh at your president. I am higher then you, please respect your superior. I am your GoD!
Worship me and my Corporate bullies or be tortured and put in prison for 10 years.
hahahahaha laugh now my american subjects.[/quote]
Sorry, I’m Swedish, you know, Europe’s third largest country which is home for some of the largest torrent sites. And as always, you can threat but you can’t act. :P[/quote]
Hey don’t diss the President man, hes gonna save our world from terrorist killers and pirates man, Don’t hate the president man.
If you threaten the president I will goto your home and charage you with Treason.
Hahaha Bush will destroy the pirates, Bittorrent is dead when the Secret Service bombs the authors of Bittorrent, I mean were not gonna bomb anyone, were not terrorists, were Patriot supporters, why else did we all support the Patriot Act.
So Be A Patriot!!!! and follow the President or he will veto your beliefs.
this was ridiculous
[quote comment="218212"]As for that lawyer, he’s just a bald pinny… “We have alot of information.” So do I… just from reading your interview I know that 1) you know nothing, never have, never will, you are a n00b of detectiving 2) You don’t even know you’re own laws, thus you must also be a n00b of lawyering and 3) just by how cool you think you are saying stuff like “We possess alot of information.” i can tell you must possess not only no information, but no cock either.
[/quote]
hehe, he is indeed a n00b of lawyering. that lawyer’s answers were the shittiest responses I could have imagined. why agree to do an interview if you aren’t going to answer any of the questions?
want to get the pirates to stop , ANSWER
NUKE THE WORLD it is time the human race comes to a end PERIOD
What i don’t get is if no one leaks the releases to torrent or p2p networks how do we pirates get the releases other wise?
A couple of years ago, some dudes from Razor1911 or Fairlight ( dunno which one of the 2 )
Did a similar media contact.
Basicly, the dude only told them about public knowledge.
So he did not do anything wrong, besides rule # of the scene.
You don’t talk about it !
[quote comment="218076"][quote comment="218069"]The warez scene is hierarchical and outdated. About best thing that could be said about it is that it has a minor MySpace effect to it, i.e. it keeps the kiddies who’re into power games and reputation drama in their own sandboxes.[/quote]
…says the guy who probably is a p2p-lamer himself…[/quote]
says the boy that is too retarded to accept that not everyone uses linux and tht cant even use a crack because he is too retarded to use windows
//offtopic
aniway, the guy tells nothing but standard info tht you can know if you digdug around a bitsi heh.
aniway , nice article :))
and yeah , i mite be a p2p lamer , and so does this site according to knoeki, (who is a big p2pfagwannabescener that is only trying to scam you with his gayass shit), tough what the article does’nt states is the stealing from scenegroups thmselves (I.E. CAMERA CANALSTREET , etc. ) those retards like knoeki that cant get their own source and thn just nick it off from p2p networks to blatantly rar it and thn pre it using their own groupname.
(and yeah knoeki , dont say i am l;ieiing like you did last time, cuz i DO have proof of what i did , something you still have not.
Only adds more fuel to the fire, that these guys are nothing but lame ass programmers that think they are higher and mightier than everyone else. This guy is gonna get caught, not today, maybe not tomorrow, but he will get caught. And when he does, Extradition might be appropriate, cause the MPAA moves oceans when it legally can. So wash [quote comment="218413"][quote comment="218212"]As for that lawyer, he’s just a bald pinny… “We have alot of information.” So do I… just from reading your interview I know that 1) you know nothing, never have, never will, you are a n00b of detectiving 2) You don’t even know you’re own laws, thus you must also be a n00b of lawyering and 3) just by how cool you think you are saying stuff like “We possess alot of information.” i can tell you must possess not only no information, but no cock either.
[/quote]
hehe, he is indeed a n00b of lawyering. that lawyer’s answers were the shittiest responses I could have imagined. why agree to do an interview if you aren’t going to answer any of the questions?[/quote]
your asshole buddy, with soap and water, cause you’re safe in Norway, but when the Black man comes a knocking it won’t be in a European prison.
Bullshit that lawyer is a lamer he only know how use hotmail…Dumbass
@36
only a n00b says n00b
…fucking n00b
bongwizard ftw!
what’s p2p please i dont know what it means? my man
MPAA will try to catch pirates forever.. this will never end… LOL
MPAA is FUCKED :)
“yawn, i already knew all of that.”
well duh, what is he supposed to talk about, like the article says, they can’t give out too much info…
[quote comment="218475"]Only adds more fuel to the fire, that these guys are nothing but lame ass programmers that think they are higher and mightier than everyone else. This guy is gonna get caught, not today, maybe not tomorrow, but he will get caught. And when he does, Extradition might be appropriate, cause the MPAA moves oceans when it legally can. So wash [quote comment="218413"][quote comment="218212"]As for that lawyer, he’s just a bald pinny… “We have alot of information.” So do I… just from reading your interview I know that 1) you know nothing, never have, never will, you are a n00b of detectiving 2) You don’t even know you’re own laws, thus you must also be a n00b of lawyering and 3) just by how cool you think you are saying stuff like “We possess alot of information.” i can tell you must possess not only no information, but no cock either.
[/quote]
hehe, he is indeed a n00b of lawyering. that lawyer’s answers were the shittiest responses I could have imagined. why agree to do an interview if you aren’t going to answer any of the questions?[/quote]
your asshole buddy, with soap and water, cause you’re safe in Norway, but when the Black man comes a knocking it won’t be in a European prison.[/quote]
Why did you randomly quote me in the middle of your post? It is very difficult to tell if you were ever referring to me or the interviewee.
But to clarify, I was commenting from the perspective of an American law student, not a programmer. I just think that lawyer was acting like a douche.
scene will never die !
LOL! Jolly good article! Have some jellybabies! Cheers!
OK I and many have made these comments n the past but here goes again… and I am NOT promoting Pirated works or Copyright Violations.. Just simple FACTS!
1. These U.S. based groups, RIAA, MPAA and others have NO Legal Standing what so ever outside the U.S.
2. U.S. Copyright Laws are just that.. U.S.
3. The U.S. has bullied other countrys in the past only to have efforts backfire since they have NO SAY outside the U.S.
So why do these goofs continue to “TRY” and bring down something that indeed they have no Legal Jurisdiction over?
lmao… what he gives is old news… infect, the “tactics” he describes are very low security… there are group out there that are way more paranoid than this Topsite
He comes off very arrogant and will more than likely get in shit with his stupidity. Many people in the scene went to p2p because it’s not worth the trouble of running a site, any idiot knows that you’re safer in a bigger crowed
Think of the money you save on servers and bandwidth over a year or 2… you can buy a damn car
*yawn*
This “new information” will help Tondel…how? He still can’t legally get to the Norwegian Scene. He still can’t legally “put pressure” on Norwegian pirates / p2p’ers. He still can’t legally claim not to be a giant douche.
Also, the scene keeps shooting themselves in their collective feet with that anti-p2p stance of theirs…granted, it is currently keeping them “safe” from the “perils” of the p2p community – but without the public exposure this community brings, and the huge pressure it throws on ISPs to increase bandwidth availability, the Scene would have no chance of becoming legal in ANY way and would probably still be running on > 1mbit ADSL connections…
scene…calls p2p lamers….p2p calls scene lamers…..lmao…..so the scene is nothing more than theives…as are the p2p folks….
So get over it…..Its all stolen….so what the f**k does it matter…. Those that go for the back and forth flameing are all lamers….
[quote comment="218806"]the Scene would have no chance of becoming legal in ANY way and would probably still be running on > 1mbit ADSL connections…[/quote]
Uhm.. Ok, I dunno how much things have changed since I was active (which I was up until 2001), but sceners hardly ever ran anything on ‘normal’ connections.
Sure, the racers would sit at home on their crappy 512kbps pipes and FXP stuff back and forth, but the actual servers – which in my mind _is_ the scene were running on 100mbps minimum (Ok, I remember running a site on a 10mbps pipe back in 94 – but jeez that’s a long time ago).
We had topsites running from within the major ISPs at the time – heck, we even had a server planted at Posten SDS (now ErgoGroup) in Norway.
Anyway, the scene has always had the same attitude towards other ppl. Be it torrents, kazaa, webwares, irc, usenet – and they’re all still there (well, apart from the odd bust now and then).
As a Norwegian, neither I nor anyone I know are really afraid of the Norwegian police. The last big news about our police was that they managed to shoot two of their own people during a practice drill. Says a lot about our police, haha.
without the Scene. . . .what are you going to share. . .morons. . . .
Your crappy dvdRips and TV shows that don’t even *touch* a scene release?
I’m willing to bet that if the Scene was gone — or actually succeeded in keeping it’s stuff internal, 99.999% of you wouldn’t be able to figure out how to crack quality software. . .
Which one of you has *ever* contributed *anything* (besides bandwidth — and maybe the time it took you to make a torrent) to *releasing* **ANYTHING**???
Again I say. . .without the Scene. . . .what are you going to share. . .morons. . . .
[quote comment="219053"]without the Scene. . . .what are you going to share. . .morons. . . .
Your crappy dvdRips and TV shows that don’t even *touch* a scene release?
I’m willing to bet that if the Scene was gone — or actually succeeded in keeping it’s stuff internal, 99.999% of you wouldn’t be able to figure out how to crack quality software. . .
Which one of you has *ever* contributed *anything* (besides bandwidth — and maybe the time it took you to make a torrent) to *releasing* **ANYTHING**???
Again I say. . .without the Scene. . . .what are you going to share. . .morons. . . .[/quote]
True without the scene we would lose a lot of quality, however, we would still be able to get the same things(At least in the video department). When it comes to cracking/keygens, we wouldn’t get anything nearly as fast, if at all. But I do think that if the scene managed to stop everything from being leaked onto torrents/usenet/irc/the rest, a new, albeit not as good, scene would arise from torrentsites.
the Scene is constantly evolving, in a few years they will be releasing to p2p… there are already groups and individuals releasing specifically for p2p… those that don’t like p2p are a bunch of oldschool hippies
p2p is the future, no question about it; it just takes some people longer to realize than others…
A few years ago there were already groups expressing interest and experimenting with closed p2p networks for distribution since it would be more efficient, no idea if they went ahead with implementing anything but they themselves use, or will use the same technology as public p2pers in a closed, encrypted vpn. Once everything is distributed inside it can easily be pushed to public sources in no time. Topsites are oldschool and will soon no longer be needed, they’re just used for quality control and are basically a power trip for stupid kids that run them. (stupid because they’ll eventually get caught, if not now, in the future, they’re just too high on their power trip to realize it)
Torrents suck. I’ve been DL’ing since 96 and only 1 percent of what I have is from torrents. Their dangerous and not worth the time.
“Oldschool hippies” know the real ways to get stuff and it’s not through p2p networks.
I used to crack software it not hard
making keygens is though. and i’m glad that dude paid for flashfxp what a consumer advocate lol
doesn’t the lawyer bastard look like Dick Cheney?
@ 76
How much do you have anyway? You sound lame, as do most of these other asshats.
@ All
Who cares how the fuck you got it, as long as you can get it. “ooh i got this from there, I’m cool”, how infantile.
Boy is there a lot of butthurt here.
You people don’t really get it do you?
Someone has to do the work on a fresh release – cracking a game, cam’ing a movie etc.
And when one is in the position where he can do that, he’ll be in the scene, because when you can give something, you can really expect something in return.
There are approximately 100 0day releases, 5 movie releases, 2 game releases, 10 dox releases and 200+ mp3 releases each day in the scene.
Now, I haven’t been a scene member since 2005 – all I use nowadays are torrents – but jesus, I don’t pretend that the scene isn’t a reality, because it most certainly is, and the best content has been and always will be there, sooner than anywhere else.
The point of the scene is that those who can’t do shit don’t deserve shit. Most people who do the ground work in the scene (suppliers, topsite-ops etc) usually put their jobs and indeed their lives on the line. Do you think they want your shitty home-ripped CD from last week in return?
Just take a look at Operation Buccaneer, Operation Fastlink and Operation Site Down at Wikipedia.
@76 : [quote]Their dangerous and not worth the time.[/quote]
“their” implies ownership, as in ‘their car’.
“they’re” is the word that you are looking for, as in ‘they are’.
;-)
If you really want insight as to why piracy has gone Europe & Asia and into countries with dubious copyright protection law it’s obvious.. survival.. Sweden’s Pirate bay is a shining example. Shutting down Napster and busting down major p2p networks in the USA only brings the scene to safer pastures in DROVES, BTW with gobs of bandwidth well in advance of the USA.
(Think Korea, Japan, Sweden, Netherlands with 100+mbit of fiber as the entry-level).
As with many things, the scene adjusts to realities on the ground.. the scene is only as strong and as powerful as the industries who’s content they pirate (Ok, some with a superiority complex whom have an EGO/reputation can make a proportion out of this if you like math, but remember; if there’s no content, there’s no piracy… chicken & egg).
The “scene” has gotten diverse & expansive because the internet is maturing & inviting those who scream down the info. superhighway(dated nomenclature) to SPEED and partake in ‘illegal things’ such as piracy.
As with the maturing of the internet, the Next generation of “warez” people will hopefully make us proud to get the new Simpsons movie a day or two ahead of the movie lines (especially when the movie companies boast about their new security measures to prevent such a thing;;same other content). Some aspects of the game have changed. (MANY, but not all) Companies who are content owners are some pretty BIG global conglomerates who are as dirty and nasty as oil companies these days so the ’scene’ will constantly have to adjust where they spread their napalm and stinky influence. The only way the scene can truly DIE is if all content is devoid of copyright laws (for the most part) and movies, music, software and data are FREELY exchanged for the most part, then what’s the point of piracy? Since that won’t happen, welcome to 4+decades of how we got where we are today.
Despite the love/hate between scene elites and internet folk heros Sean Fanning & BrokeP (and others), we can all get along, somehow by working against the real problems of global corporate greed; call them what you will (hard to define as they evolve: Techocracy, Corporate Dictatorship, invent your own word here).
@#80 nx
“Boy is there a lot of butthurt here.”
rotflol
The whole of what you said is so true. Nice comment!
. . .still rotflol. . . .
“The first step to Manipulation is Misinformation”
@76
You’re an idiot.
@80
You’re an idiot too. Almost any monkey can rip music as well as “the scene” with 10 minutes or training. Who gives a shit how perfect a release is as long as you can listen to it without distortion and who gives a shit if you have to wait an extra day or two to get it.
How long will it take for dumbass racers to realize it’s not about them. It’s about the public, as long as something works, no one gives a shit about your fucking PROPER if the sound’s off by 3 frames or some other lame excuse. Some scene encoding rules are also damn stupid and bandwidth wasting.
People aren’t gonna bitch about free shit unless it’s total crap. When the scene rushes releases they tend to be crap, and there’s has been a lot of crap the last 2 years.
@85
You’re an idiot for not understanding the difference between ripping something weeks or months before it’s commercial release and ripping it after everyone has it.
Or following scrict rules and being distributed to thousands within seconds. The scene is the perfect distribution method… if people released directly to p2p its so easy to find the source, now you tell me where exactly the big music/movie/game releases actually orginate? You dont know, and lets keep it that way.
Oh and the fact groups are not a random guy ripping one thing, its constant releases week in week out for years. Piracy without the scene would be a complete mess.
lets face it the scene or whatever think they are the top guns of piracy, ok fair enough, you are after all the guys/gals cracking and releasing games,
oo the scene hate torrents, well guess what, its a shit load easier for me to wake up, browse to the piratebay and download the lastest heroes, rather than all this cloak and dagger shit, being a l33t sys admin. woo, im impressed.
most people have lives outside their pcs, i get the impression the “scene” dont.
Clicking “clone cd/dvd/app” will not make anyone a game releaser..
I’ve respect for anyone who’s mastered a debugger and assembler to the level of reverse engineering advanced protection code.
Obviously everyone who feels entitled to having free everything since day one has not.
Music and movies are only one click rippable now because people smarter than 98% of all others have reverse engineered their copy protections and developed tools that in turn got built into GUI-wrapped one-click toys.
Almost any and all “p2p consumers” are 100% reliant on smarter people than they are to be able to do ANYTHING with what the industry churns out.
If the “p2p crowd” thinks they are so smart then I’d say: reality check, how many of you could have decrypted blue ray discs on your own?
DVDs?
Cactus shield Audio CDs?
Any other protection at all?
Bypass software dongles(Adobe et al)?
So basically – nobody would be able to do SHIT without this legion of people SMARTER than them ENABLING them to do what they now assume to be “normal” right now.
People forget where things come from; people forget who enabled them; people do not have enough imagination to realize that there very well could be a scenario in which you can’t get a crack until the 3-6 months it takes a commercial “clone” software maker to update their copying mechanisms pass so that the 1-click solution even allows making an image of a game.
Let alone finding a solution for any kind of software or activation based something.
A lot of things also stem from the “independents”, but they, too, are still a rare elite that enable others.
You can love or hate these people, but the reality is that without them there would be no cracking, ripping, cloning, copying ANYTHING.
Whether they’re part of scene groups or independent coders.
They, not the end user, determine the viability of “backups” and “wares” in the first place.
People who have yet to replace their first JNE with a JMP should just hush. They can blubber all they want and make bigmouthy words; they are worthless consumers and have no value on and of their own.
They aren’t useful in any other way than being storage and conductor – instantly replaceable by any other random participant.
Words won’t remove the next copy protection – someone with skills will.
Saying if the scene disappears everyone will just do the stuff on their own works really nicely. Until the protections and tech changes. Then there’s ground zero again.
Then you’re once again at the mercy of pioneers of reverse engineering doing the dirty work and laying out the groundwork.
Telling those people they’re faggots might noooooot be the nicest way of saying thanks. Again – scene or not.
I respect what these people can do.
And I don’t mean pressing F5 on FlashFXP.
“Let me put it this way – we have a considerable amount of information about these sites. We know how they work.” Click on View -> Page Source. Pretty smart pirate guy
i say scene rules !!!!!!! lets get drunk LOL
damn n00bs.
This lamer is a traitor and will be expunged accordingly in due time.
I feel sorry for mister T0ndel, if this guy he has been getting info from is “in his twenties”, it is in no way an important person of the scene. Most of the info will be second grade stuff. The actual scene-people are much older. The most important figures (and admins) are from the late sixties and early seventies. You’ll never catch any of them, because they’ll always be one step ahead of you. Bite the dust, pal!
Also, those older scene members aren’t afraid of change. Top-sites aren’t the end-all be-all any longer. They actually USE bittorrent now as a prime release-medium, because of its source anonimity options. I know this first hand from actual founders of the ‘warez scene’. They’re not impressed at all.
[quote comment="221238"]And I don’t mean pressing F5 on FlashFXP.[/quote]That was actually stolen from the PC Tools, and later Norton Commander key for copying from one pane to the other..
“The Topsites encrypt everything with SSL.”
is actually a pretty stupid statement, giving away his lack of knowledge on the matter at hand. SSL is a Layered system. *Only the traffic flow* can be encrypted using SSL. What the older scene members (those not in their mid twenties) are doing is much safer:
They encrypt the actual content itself, before it’s even transferred, and they do this using ccrypt (and server-based encode and decode software I will not reveal). This is so that EVEN IF a server gets raided, no valuable proof whatsoever can be found on it, because the data on server is unreadable, using encryption levels that puts the NSA to shame. That way a ‘topsite’ is worthless to any outsider.
Remember : PROPERTY IS THEFT, so the real thieves are the capitalists who want to “own” the world, including immaterials like movies, music, games, softwares, ideas.
The patent system kills thousands of people everyday, makes the world poorer for a bunch of worst-than-nazi psychopaths.
These sceners elitists are just morons with their “buy it, we did” nfo, they just feel they’re superior but if they get caught they’ll get to jail for a very long time, not even understanding what happened to them
“They actually USE bittorrent now as a prime release-medium, because of its source anonimity options.”
Yeh, that is why they have group names and make such pretty nfos. They dont want to be known. Anonimity… thats it!
The idea is to use handles, you know, like in the fidonet BBS days. Only the ones YOU know, need to know who YOU are. If the world’s peers know does not make a difference, because they are unaware of who’s behind the handles/nicknames.
Here’s the idea: Park your car (if you have one) or your bike in a park in a big city. Find a spot without camera’s watching you. Boot your laptop. Pick a random open access point, or crack one that uses encryption. Start uploading your torrent to the trackers. Use a peer-contact of yours to bounce the upload to other (new/first) peers. After having been uploading a couple of minutes, go home and finish the upload, proxied if need be, but it doesn’t matter much since there is no torrent tracking server software that keeps the peer-IP’s after the initial upload-IP was logged. Cookies and hashes (still on your laptop) do the rest. You’re completely in the clear. If you know enough peers to cooperate with, you can use DHT and PE to shield it during its first hour.
It’s irrelevant whether this guy is real or not, what matters is if this can persuade Norwegian politicians to re-make Norway into the Scandinavian 52nd state of America (UK=51st), and do the Patriot Act here, too. Will they allow Norwegian police to act like the FBI and let them set up fake servers? (who will become the Norwegian J.Edgar Hoover and start wearing ladies clothes?)
Also, too much people are trying to deny this interview. Thats why I think this interview is true.
Giving away secrets?
You gotta be shitting me. Anyone can find out this stuff, I knew more than this about the scene back when I was just a lil torrent kiddie.
Read a few NFO’s and you can find any of this out easily. The scene is much too insecure though, more private IRC servers using FiSH are needed, screw SSL.
@101
SSL uses the exact same methods that FiSH does, but with safer implementations.
Encryption is mostly not a problem in the scene, as always the weakest link are the people.
I’ve been invited into groups no questions asked, and giving the encryption keys to people on a non-encrypted IRC server mostly defeats the purpose too…
Not to point fingers here, but these problems only come up with the russians and romanians…
wolfpak!
Yes im a damn p2p lamer…my p2p started around 1980 when my first p2p was a tape with jumpman given to me by my maths tutor…damn i suck at maths
still..cause we just played jumpman
all day…i then continued being a p2p lamer trading 5 1/4 floppies with my mates…oh yeah all those famous relase groups of the 64 days…yeah…
that stuff u could get everywhere too…and that was in times as the word modem or network seemed as far
away for the ordinary people as the uranus… damn we mustve had top site access back then..i continued
sucking at math…(for the rest of my life) and passed into the world
of X86 …damn now i got my stuff on
5 1/4 and 3.5 floppies…woahh…
i still had what i needed…and the story went on and on…and i never
cracked stuff myself i just learned
how to use the stuff and that wasnt
a no brainer all the time either…
so yeah im a fuckin p2p lamer…with
a ratio of at least 2.0+ …damn im
a parasite that gives back stolen
blood…fuck me im a p2p lamer and the scene doesnt respect me…but
woahh…who loves you …scener?
We always did..and wo gave u respect
…we did …otherwise yould be wanking in a closet infron of a mirror. So you better respect your
fans too.
!nuke torrentfreak.com (scene.req)
// total crap article! fake! and btw torrent lamers arent pirates!
is it just me or those insider secrets from a top-site admin are all publicly available on http://www.aboutthescene.com ?
@90
Not everyone with skills is a douche bag like you obviously are. You want a badge or something? How about an attaboy? I put out stuff for people who want it for their own enjoyment and there are many others who will do the same, not everyone that can do things is a self important shithead.
btw I banged your mom last night and spewd on your picture, bitch was a terrible lay and cooks shitty breakfast.
This apparent ’site-op’ is nothing more than a cockfag. Seriously, nobody gives two shits about the ’scene’ and if its in trouble or if some site-op has just taken a dump in the toilet. If one person doesn’t leak the shit to a torrent someone else will or will just crack the shit themselves.
Yeah, cracking aint exactly easy, but when theres a need for something they’ll always be someone around to take up the slack.
So fuck you Mr.Site-op and stick your aroggant views up your ass.
You all suck.
Amen Fartknocker (104) !
[quote comment="219053"]without the Scene. . . .what are you going to share. . .morons. . . .
Your crappy dvdRips and TV shows that don’t even *touch* a scene release?
I’m willing to bet that if the Scene was gone — or actually succeeded in keeping it’s stuff internal, 99.999% of you wouldn’t be able to figure out how to crack quality software. . .
Which one of you has *ever* contributed *anything* (besides bandwidth — and maybe the time it took you to make a torrent) to *releasing* **ANYTHING**???
Again I say. . .without the Scene. . . .what are you going to share. . .morons. . . .[/quote]
I’ve ripped better shit than the scene, and I’m an amateur. Software cracking is a bit tougher, but anyone can do it if they read a little, and practice. Software isn’t as important today anyways – Open source software is beginning to eliminate the need for software cracking in some areas (why crack crappy windows vista when you can run linux for free?).
P2p does rely on the scene, but I don’t think this will last forever. If the scene died out, private individuals would begin releasing more content outside of scene groups and put them up directly on p2p networks.
The individual pirate makes more sense now a days. The hierarchy of the scene is outdated. It was necessary in the days of the BBS, but p2p and other factors make the idea of “groups” and “standards” a bit silly. The scene is not as important today as it was, and sceners will have to adapt to the new conditions, or die out.
the scene 2day was shaped by those from the c64 dayzzzzzzz
ya losers!
*!
heheh
lol idiots
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