U.S. Government Starts New Round of ‘Pirate’ Domain Seizures

Ernesto
May 21, 2011
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US authorities have resumed “Operation In Our Sites” and have seized several domain names associated with copyright infringement or counterfeit related crimes. Among the new targets are two sites that linked to copyrighted films hosted on third party streaming sites such as megavideo.com and veoh.com. Homeland Security’s Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has yet to officially announce the new operation.

domain seizure Over the past several months a series of domain name seizures by the Department of Justice (DOJ) and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) made headlines across the Internet.

Under the flag of “Operation In Our Sites” the authorities shut down a dozen file-sharing and streaming sites and many more accused of selling counterfeit goods.

Today ICE continued the operation with a 4th round, and the first one since February this year. Although the authorities are yet to give an official comment on the new seizures, TorrentFreak was able to confirm the following targets:

* Re1ease.net
* Watchnewfilms.com
* Dvdcollectionsale.com
* Dvdscollection.com
* Dvdsetsonline.com
* Newstylerolex.com

The first two domains are accused of copyright-related offenses, but did not host any copyrighted films themselves. Both Re1ease.net and Watchnewfilms.com linked to popular movie streaming sites such as Veoh.com and Megavideo.com. The rest of the domains appear to be connected to sales of counterfeit goods.

The new targets were most likely put forward to ICE by movie industry groups. In April of this year ICE director John Morton admitted that his organization was acting based on “tips from industry representatives,” among others.

The authorities are also aware of the fact that the domain seizures themselves are not really an effective tool. As pointed out before, more than half of the piracy-related domains that were seized by Operation In Our Sites simply continued under a different name.

Morton replied to this critique by emphasizing that the seizures also act as “public education about pirating.”

To quash allegedly copyright infringing sites more effectively U.S. lawmakers introduced the PROTECT IP Act last week. Aside from domain seizures, the new bill will also make it possible to block sites on an ISP level, to censor search engines, and to cut funding of allegedly copyright-infringing websites.

TorrentFreak is closely monitoring developments in Operation in Our Sites 4 and if any additional domains are seized we will update this report accordingly.

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Guest

So here we go again Honestly ICE hurry up and melt already I’m sick of the sight of you.
- Anonymous
  
  Re1ease.net
  http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:mjjeutE6pP4J:re1ease.net/+re1ease.net&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.co.uk
  - gamegrrle
    
    Oops…replied to wrong person…
    
    If I gave you my email address would you give it to me please?!?!? of course I wouldn’t want you to post it here because I wouldn’t want the stupid Nazis to get it for themselves and chase them down again…
    - Ninja
      
      Wait a few days and Google will refresh….
- gamegrrle
  
  If I gave you my email address would you give it to me please?!?!? of course I wouldn’t want you to post it here because I wouldn’t want the stupid Nazis to get it for themselves and chase them down again…
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TDEB67M6CDLPEY6I5NQ43CGZYE Globinch
  
  what is that
- Ninja
  
  No, no, it’s getting interesting. WHERE’S THEIR BALLS TO TAKE ON TPB? HUH?
  
  The thought just came to mind and I smiled to myself in amusement.
  
  This is gonna become a bloody battlefield my fellow file sharers ;)
Echo-Skywalker formerly hotdog

I never heard of any of these sites.Ridiculous.
- Hephaestus
  
  Basically they are going after small sites with no financial ability to defend themselves. This way they can say that these people are guilty, thats why they didn’t fight back in a court of law. Its politics.
  - Echo-Skywalker formerly hotdog
    
    Yeah I know funny how they won’t go after the big sites because “all governments” worldwide has their fingers in mafiaa’s greedy asses!! I received an email stating that googles owners are taking a fight.till this bill is cut like coica was and sorry ernesto that email you sent was completely wrong.
    This bill will disappear just like coica until the next bill.I say citizens of these people accepting bribes through the riaa and mpaa vote them out of office like we have in Florida.We voted a mayor out a governor etc etc. Who says you can’t vote out a senator???Just a thought people.
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly
    
    Not just small sites with limited means. More significant is either a small or unsophisticated userbase and limited backchannel communications.
    
    The first stop most people make is twitter as the site concerned is usually tweeting a new domain or IP
    
    Many of the smaller sites wouldnt get the publicity. That is a tactic Brein usually use, targetting the low hanging fruit
    - Ninja
      
      And while at it they give huge advertising for those sites. For free. <3
  - James Plotkin
    
    But they generally are guilty…At least under the DMCA. I agree that it isn’t very sexy but if you post unlicensed copyrighted works or links to them you aren’t exactly innocent. That’s why I don’t really understand why people take the risk.
    
    The fact that Megavideo and Veoh have been shut down doesn’t really support your go after the little guys thesis. Megavideo was huge and had substantial not infringing content on it. They were also compliant with rights holders that demanded they take a link down.
    
    I just wish broadcasters wouldn’t be so arrogant as to assume that just because they decide a show should be on at 8Pm on Sunday doesn’t make it any less viewable Wednesday at 3AM.
    
    They need to find a new business scheme for advertising and put all their content online on-demand. some networks have done it. They still have a captive audience for which to play adds online.
    - Scary Devil Monastery
      
      Here’s the problem with that. Much like youtube, many of these sites carry links and material which is uploaded by individual users only.
      
      There is NO site in existence which is capable of pre-checking what material users post. Hence the safe harbour provisions of the DMCA.
      Even so, we are looking at a poaradigm where the ideal solution from the government’s point of view is to abolish the capability of individuals to post anything at all, anywhere, without having it pass a censor first.
- Anonymous
  
  I’ve HEARD of them, never used them…
  
  “The first two domains are accused of copyright-related offenses”
  No they’re not. “Accused” means you get to defend yourself or present a rebuttal.
  This is judge, jury & executioner-style “justice”.
  - Echo-Skywalker formerly hotdog
    
    well in any case ice and the rest of the clown army just want to make a point thinking they can scare us.You and I know one site down 10 more born.
    - Anonymous
      
      Hmm. That is not such a bad idea. If we want ICE to stop then we have to fight them.
      
      So people can just register a related domain like re1ease-ice.net and forward this domain to their new valid hosting. The point being that if for every domain that ICE seize we put 10 extra domains online then their domain seizures will prove counter productive.
      
      More can also be done. Like to modify their domain seizure image in order to point out how ICE’s domain seizures violate the US Constitution and lack justice. They seek to “educate people” but we can educate them as well.
    - Echo-Skywalker formerly hotdog
      
      Very interesting:)
Yuriythebest

okay when can we have some sort of new p2p based alternate dns system or something
- Guest
  
  We have one already. It’s just not been necessary to move there.
  - Anonymous
    
    What’s it called?
    - Neskia Moo
      
      there is namecoin, a p2p dns service.. though its still in alpha… there is freenet.. there is tor….
    - Guest
      
      Yeah. You didn’t even mention the one I was thinking of that works as a distributed dns.
    - Neskia Moo
      
      which… you arnt going to name? :P
RDZ

In the other news. One Estonian was arrested by police who run a Estonian torrent site which shared music and TV shows from Estonia and other countries. He was fined 645 euros for it. I know its off topic but i taught you guys should know how much fine Estonians get for running a torrent site.
- Rekrul
  
  “In the other news. One Estonian was arrested by police who run a Estonian torrent site…”
  
  Why are the police running a torrent site?
Aa

re1ease.net is back under a new domain: http://scrrls.net/
- Ugly American
  
  …which goes to show you how well these domain seizures are working.
  
  Brilliant tactic, MAFIAA – fvcking morons.
- Reader
  
  Same people? http://re1ease.net works fine for me, seems more like http://scrrls.net is a copycat site?
  - Ugly American
    
    Either way, ICE have accomplished dick.
  - A Source Close to Re1ease
    
    Same people, same site, same ip, same everything.
    
    http://scrrls.net is http://re1ease.net was setup months before feds came along
- Anonymous
  
  [b]scrrls.net will get seized too, lol.[/b]
  Use a ccTLD that isn’t controlled by Verisign.
  - TerribleTony
    
    They will have a ccTTLD up and running by Thursday/Friday.
- Anonymous
  
  [b]scrrls.net will get seized too, lol.[/b]
  Use a ccTLD that isn’t controlled by Verisign.
Hephaestus

What I find amusing is this will drive the installation of mafiaa fire’s ( http://mafiaafire.com/ ) DNS redirector. If they keep this up they are going to create a serious open, anonymous, encrypted darknet. Good on them …
- MAFIAAFire
  
  Thanks for remembering us!
  - Hephaestus
    
    NP … you are easy to remember … you are doing good for free speech and liberty everywhere. Keep up the good work!!!
- http://Megarelease.net SciFiBot
  
  When looking for my newest episode of Camelot last night I found that Re1lease.net was down and I downloaded the Mafiaafire for google chrome. The ScrRls.net was not yet listed yet but I did manage to check out some new sites that had previously been blocked.
  
  Glad to see that they are back as it seems that lately one or more of my favorite DDL sites are not up and running and I like to get my shows as quick as possible through Megaupload premium.
  
  What really concerns me is how these fuckers associate their goose chase with Homeland Security.
  
  Thanks MafiaaFire and Torrentfreak!
- http://Androidized.com Lucian Armasu
  
  You mean like this http://code.google.com/p/phantom/ ?
  
  or this:
  
  http://mondonet.org
MAFIAAFire

Just in time!
We have just updated our plugin (not yet released, will be in the next 48 hours) and were looking forward to adding new domains… please post the alternative links here or email us.

Just a fraction of the updates:

// – Added a URL page that opens on each upgrade. The page will explain what’s new.
// – Squished some warnings I was getting with the Mozilla validator
// – Checks for an updated list every two days rather on every restart
// and saves the list till it needs to check for a new list.
// – User can force a list updated if they want to

This is a major rewrite!

Thanks!
MafiaaFire
- Echo-Skywalker formerly hotdog
  
  Great i was wondering why some things weren’t working great add-on:)
- Don
  
  You are a bloody criminal. Your stupid addon is aiding piracy. Just fuck off will you?
  - MAFIAAFire
    
    Well, since you asked so sweetly how can I refuse?
    
    Actually, If I take your advise and F off…
    I think it’s safe to say I’ll be missed
    (100,000+ downloads to back up that assumption)
    
    but if you take your own advise and F off and… well, die, trust me other than your nearest ones everyone will be happy.
    
    Nobody likes shill… or trolls.
  - MAFIAAFire
    
    Well, since you asked so sweetly how can I refuse?
    
    Actually, If I take your advise and F off…
    I think it’s safe to say I’ll be missed
    (100,000+ downloads to back up that assumption)
    
    but if you take your own advise and F off and… well, die, trust me other than your nearest ones everyone will be happy.
    
    Nobody likes shill… or trolls.
    - Don
      
      Lol you must think you are really important just because you made a shitty little plugin. Truth is you are a big fat joke, yep that’s right!
      
      People download your plugin because they are too lazy to type in the IP address or find alternate domain names of a site taken down and also because they are bloody freeloaders. Trust me, humanity will survive without your shitty little plugin lol.
    - MAFIAAFire
      
      My oh my! Seems like I have really gotten to you without even trying… then again I never knew a little insignificant industry worm like you existed.
      
      Putting the survival of humanity in the same sentence with our plugin…
      We… are… honored!
      
      People download our plugin because they are too lazy… just like people use a screwdriver instead of turning it with their fingers, damn lazy people and their tools.What next? A hammer instead of a good old rock to drive in nails?
      Good call there, I’m as sick of these damn lazy people just like you.
      
      If you don’t like our plugin in it’s present state, gotta warn ya, you’re gonna hate what’s coming next!
      
      Cya tomorrow lackey, its time for me to sleep like a baby… by the time I get up another 1000 or so would have downloaded our plugin – think about that when you are trying to sleep ;)
    - Donotreply
      
      Nicely posted.
      
      I haven’t downloaded the add-on because I don’t really need it (not a pirate and know how to use Google/etc); but once your plug-in is updated I will download it anyway to show my support for the plug-in.
      
      Keep up the good work and all the best,
      DoNotReply (replies are welcome, name is in relation to DISQUS posting junk)
    - Scary Devil Monastery
      
      Oh, stop it already…I’m personally all in favour of a paradigm where everyone in the RIAA/MPAA actually would have to forego screwdrivers and other assorted handtools. Please don’t convince Don otherwise.
      
      You know what they say…if all you know how to use is a subpoena, every problem looks like a lawsuit…
    - MAFIAAFire
      
      My oh my! Seems like I have really gotten to you without even trying… then again I never knew a little insignificant industry worm like you existed.
      
      Putting the survival of humanity in the same sentence with our plugin…
      We… are… honored!
      
      People download our plugin because they are too lazy… just like people use a screwdriver instead of turning it with their fingers, damn lazy people and their tools.What next? A hammer instead of a good old rock to drive in nails?
      Good call there, I’m as sick of these damn lazy people just like you.
      
      If you don’t like our plugin in it’s present state, gotta warn ya, you’re gonna hate what’s coming next!
      
      Cya tomorrow lackey, its time for me to sleep like a baby… by the time I get up another 1000 or so would have downloaded our plugin – think about that when you are trying to sleep ;)
    - Jon7272
      
      more use to people then you are. what have you done lol .meanwhile back to sharing
  - anarchy burger
    
    no hes not. your a butt, get out *throws out window*
  - Jon7272
    
    you fuck off sharer and proad of it back to downloading igo heheh
  - Trespass
    
    Jack, I mean Don. Feel free to leave anytime. You are on our turf.
    
    Trolls are interesting creatures. I assume you come here to validate your own miserable life and to compensate for your own inadequacies. You get to be the martyr of self righteousness. No other reason you would spend the amount of time on a site that is contrary to your own beliefs.
    
    Good luck with working out your issues.
  - Dieinafire
    
    You dumbass…Go die in a fire. Pirates contribute a lot more than you think. I’d love it if all “pirates” really stopped buying shit…that would be a funny day and you would really see what happens to the industry’s profits.
Mark

They added a stupid video that loads a few seconds after you go to the pages. First you see the FBI logo then the youtube vid comes up. Lame fuckers

Thanks for keeping us updated torrentfreak, you guys are awesome
- MAFIAAFire
  
  The new version of MAFIAAFire will cut the connection to the DNS well before you see the warning page or the youtube video.
  A user told us that he wanted this “feature” for peace of mind as he was not sure if those sites were harvesting IPs.
  
  We honestly did not know how to do it (this is still pretty new to us) but we learned how to do it and like I said, the new version will stop the connect well before it reaches those page/s, show you an alert that you are being redirected for around 2 1/2 secs, and smoothly redirect you to your destination ;)
  
  Expect it after the weekend!
- Anonymous
  
  FBI has nothing to do with it, dumbass.
Ma3lstr0m

RE1EASE.NET ALTERNATIVE DOMAIN – SCRRLS.NET
It seems re1ease has been illegaly ceased without due process by a foreign government. We are still online at ScrRls.net

peace :) ma3l
Krow

All I can see in the future the US will realize it has no more control on the internet, then they realize it and try to dominate it in other countries even harder…

Side note, best case scenario of Google fighting the Protect IP Act is, Google moves to Canada and US loses quite a bit of the IT sector.
- ed dickson
  
  Google is protecting its own bottom line. They earn a lot of money from ads on illicit websites and hide beyond a red herring (free speech) when that’s not at all what this is about. People steal movies, then make money from that via ads, etc. You can rationalize this all you want, but in the end call it what it is, theft. The majority of these websites earn money from their activity. That’s why they do it.
  - Trespass
    
    Supreme Court says it is not theft. You must be a newbie here or you don’t pay attention. The people who worked on the movies got paid. They did not work for free while waiting for box office takes, which have been record breaking for the last several years. They were under contract and I assure you they got paid.
    
    I am really tired of people saying that sharing is costing jobs. Haven’t seen one person come forward and say they lost their job due to sharing.
    - Ugly American
      
      “Haven’t seen one person come forward and say they lost their job due to sharing.”
      
      And you never will – it’s all MAFIAA propaganda and the world is wise to it.
    - Trespass
      
      Unfortunately not enough people are wise to it. Every-time I wear my Pirate Bay t-shirt, I have to debate the issue of file sharing vs. stealing and lost jobs etc…. Most accuse me of being a computer hacker (actually I wish I was that smart).
      
      Most people do not understand file sharing.
    - Anonymous
      
      Exactly, we need more education. Get more people in here with twitter maybe to disqus with them? Wear your sharing is caring t-shirts. Debate people everywhere and make seeders out of the leechers.
    - Trespass
      
      Unfortunately not enough people are wise to it. Every-time I wear my Pirate Bay t-shirt, I have to debate the issue of file sharing vs. stealing and lost jobs etc…. Most accuse me of being a computer hacker (actually I wish I was that smart).
      
      Most people do not understand file sharing.
  - http://torrentpaper.com TorrentPaper_com
    
    I think you are wrong…the majority of these sites do not earn so much to consider money.Only few sites li tpb and others :)
  - Paybacks_Bitch
    
    Again blatant ignorace raises it’s stupid head….
    
    What makes you assume we would by these movies anyway?
    Filesharers swap files amongst themselves; if it’s a good movie they will buy it because ‘free’, as you put it doesn’t always, equal quality.
    
    Just because a movie is swapped, doesn’t mean it’s a lost sale. 95% of what IS swapped is about 1% of what is sold commercially. But, and it is important to recognise this point, FEW of the the many thousands of filesharers actually SOLD a copy to anyone.
    
    The few PIRATES that there are, are NOT held in high esteem by filesharers.
    We use the blanket term ‘pirates’ as a protest (it is a name Hollywood saddled us with), we use it now as a badge of defiance in the face of adversity.
    
    You obviously don’t realise it, be pirates may well be the only body defending the concept of a free internet soon. It is only the ingenuity, skill and technical expertise of a small band of diehards that are provideing the internet with free and open communication. Without that band of digital warriors you, your communications, everything you wrote, uploaded or downloaded would be part of your ‘digital record’ for life.
    
    As for your ‘band of worker bees’ perhaps you could ask them why when the likes of Star Wars is eventually released on blu-ray it is not going to be a remastered print but the dvd same old stock (cleaned and degrained) we have already paid for.
    
    Recycled and remakes of the same old movies are ripping US off.
    ALL of us.
    
    We are refusing to accept it anymore.
    - Ryuzaki
      
      Well put, sir.
Anon

The real question is why they haven’t gone after the big leaguers like TPB, kickasstorrents, isohunt, etc. They’ve just snatched up some insignificant sites that have no way to defend themselves. Hmm. Maybe they’re afraid of the ensuing shitstorm considering this whole endeavor screams of totalitarianism/corporatism.
- Anonymous
  
  They are either testing the waters or waiting for more control before bringing out the big guns.
  
  The moment they take down The Pirate Bay is the moment an army of angry neckbeards pool their resources into creating a better world.
  
  I actually hope they take down The Pirate Bay. Chaos is an extremely appealing thought to those who do not rely on the system to subsist.
  - Anonymous
    
    “You can’t win, Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.”
    
    ¡Viva la Revolución!
    - kk
      
      I hope they go after thepiratebay.com too because of that.
      They will just switch to thepiratebay.se and make people furious.
ed dickson

Glad the government is doing this. You guys can’t afford 2.99 to watch a movie??? Cheap is not the word. It’s not about the studios, it’s about all those regular folk who work in the industry to put food on the table. Rationalize all you want, but ultimately, when you rip these movies off, you are hurting the worker bees. Also, not every film is financed by a big studio. Indie filmmakers are hurting and don’t get money from theatrical. They are doing what they can to get their films out their via VOD, but hard to compete with free, particularly when folks like you prefer to give your money to Starbucks rather than support a film you want to watch.
- Echo-Skywalker formerly hotdog
  
  Do me a favor stfu and go hide in a tree!!Who said i couldn’t afford a freaking shitty movie that came out of Hollywood start making original screenplays and stop making remakes and shitty wars flicks that cause more harm then good.Last but not least stop claiming poverty.I know the industry pretty well.Matter of fact i am writing a screenplay and welcome the p2p community .I will avoid major film studios they take your screenplays and turn them into some crappy piece of shit.
  The only use for a distribution which all the major six are is to put money into your film.without giving the writer or anyone else credit..So do us all a favour and go fuck yourself have a nice day.
  - gg
    
    <3
  - Roller
    
    Someone who pirates films for free lecturing about their supposedly poor quality?That’s rich.I don’t think they need to do anything.
    - Echo-Skywalker formerly hotdog
      
      Oh that was genius of you to say considering i mostly go to the movie’s and pay for it then when it comes out at a dollar movie which half of these lame ass rewritten scripts from the major 6 can’t write worth a damn.
      I’m in every right to make my opinion.As a matter of fact maybe we should start suing the mpaa for making crappy shit and ripping people off charging 20 bucks for a ticket then another 20 buck for a bag of stale popcorn.Oh and last time I checked tv shows can be viewed for free on t.v. !!!
      so in that point what’s the difference in sharing over the computer?Finally stealing for the 1 billionth time requires physically stealing something like going to a store and taking it.You can’t be mad at people that could easily delete something.Not every single person goes out selling like that stupid video tries saying.Use your bogus logic with someone who gives a damn.
    - Roller
      
      You know you can find out the quality of a movie *before* seeing it, right?.
    - Echo-Skywalker formerly hotdog
      
      lol ofcourse ;)
- puddi puddi
  
  [quote]Rationalize all you want, but ultimately, when you rip these movies off, you are hurting the worker bees[/quote]
  
  Ok then tell me how worker bees are being hurt when the movie industry made record profits last year ay? If the workers are being hurt like you claim, then who the fnck is keeping all those extra millions. Think about it dick.
  - Metal Neostyles Nv/Dx
    
    shut up idiot.
    - Lulz
      
      Hmmm, which is the real idiot there?
    - Anonymous
      
      Really, name calling? And without a single argument…
- Trespass
  
  Please explain how that process works. A movie begins production, then suddenly everyone is laid off because the movie was shared??? The people working on a movie GOT paid. The movie was shared after the release. After they got paid.
  
  No shortage of movies released. Maybe a shortage of ideas, because most are insipid garbage.
  
  Do you actually KNOW anyone who has been affected by sharing? Otherwise lay off the Kool-aid and STFU!!!
  - Don
    
    Doesn’t matter who got paid and who didn’t. You still don’t have the right to download stuffs for free without the creator’s expressed permission. If you are doing so and you don’t own a copy of the movie or game or whatever, then yes, you are a thief, irrespective of whether anyone is affected by it or not.
    
    Let’s put it this way. Just because your neighbor has two cars and will never need to use both at the same time, doesn’t give you the right to take one of his cars for a ride (even if you return it later) unless he has given you expressed permission to do so.
    
    Bottomline, taking stuffs without taking permission from the author or owner is criminal.
  - Don
    
    Doesn’t matter who got paid and who didn’t. You still don’t have the right to download stuffs for free without the creator’s expressed permission. If you are doing so and you don’t own a copy of the movie or game or whatever, then yes, you are a thief, irrespective of whether anyone is affected by it or not.
    
    Let’s put it this way. Just because your neighbor has two cars and will never need to use both at the same time, doesn’t give you the right to take one of his cars for a ride (even if you return it later) unless he has given you expressed permission to do so.
    
    Bottomline, taking stuffs without taking permission from the author or owner is criminal.
    - Don’s neighbor
      
      * You wouldn’t steal a blimp, would you?
      * Stealing a song is like stealing a yacht.
      * Stealing a song is like kidnapping an artist’s children and is punishable by a sentence of 25 years to life.
      * You wouldn’t create a full scale working copy of your neighbor’s Lexus out of thin air, would you?
    - Metal Neostyles Nv/Dx
      
      no no and no. wait a second *pulls off mask*
      
      fucking jack murdock! get out bitch!
    - Trespass
      
      I copied a Big Mac….Hope I don’t get caught.
    - Trespass
      
      Not according to the Supreme Court. IT IS NOT STEALING!!! If you are using TIVO you are doing just that. If you had a VCR you were doing just that. If you had a cassette and taped your favorite album back in the day, you were doing it then as well. If you are using Google….. I don’t really see much difference. I’m getting on HBO in a month anyway.
      
      The car analogy does not work at all…
      
      This has GOT to be Jack. Hey Jack, going by a different name now.
    - Jeremy the Great
      
      ya don. read it and weep.
    - Jeremy the Great
      
      ya don. read it and weep.
    - Trespass
      
      Supreme Court case Dowling v. United States (1985) concluded that copyright infringement is not theft or stealing, even for profit.
      
      God Bless Wikipedia
    - Rekrul
      
      Let’s put it this way. Just because your neighbor has two cars and will never need to use both at the same time, doesn’t give you the right to take one of his cars for a ride (even if you return it later) unless he has given you expressed permission to do so.
      
      No, but there’s no law against studying his car and then creating a copy of it.
      
      If copyright infringement is stealing, does that mean that somewhere in the world, the show Doctor Who just disappeared off someone’s TV screen because I downloaded a copy and there’s now one less copy of it in the world for people to watch?
    - Don
      
      That’s why there are patents. You can’t just study some company’s proprietary designs and technologies and copy it into your products. Same goes with copyright.
    - Anonymous
      
      Actually Don, you can study some company’s proprietary designs and technology and copy them into your products. You can acquire a license to use their proprietary designs/technologies. And once you have that, you can go ahead and use it in your product. You sir just FAILED with that little comment.
    - Don
      
      Do you have the license to copy a movie or game then? Did you acquire any license (or permission) from the developers to make copies? Do you own original copies of every movie or game you download? No? Didn’t think so. You sir just FAILED with that little comment.
    - Anonymous
      
      Aww Donny boy. You certainly don’t like being proved wrong do you? You see, if you thought before you spoke you wouldn’t have been proven wrong in the first place. In which case you wouldn’t have to come back and comment and change what you said.
      
      And you keep saying YOU, referring to me. As a matter of fact, the few things I do have downloaded that weren’t freely distributed I do own copies of. I don’t download games. I’m not a big gamer. Oh, actually wait, just thought about it. I have Command and Conquer Red Alert 2 downloaded on my computer. Didn’t need a license because when Red Alert 3 came out (or around that time) to celebrate the anniversary of 2 EA distributed it online for free. And that’s the only game on my computer. Movies, any I own I rip myself.
      
      So again YOU fail. Why? For making assumptions about me. You see, as you just said “didn’t think” and that is YOUR problem. YOU don’t think, you just make assumptions about everyone here. Which is a major failure on your part. Please don’t try and use my words against me, it shows how unoriginal you are and how upset you were by having things you said pointed out as factually false. It makes you seem petty. Like I said, think before you speak and people won’t rip your “arguments” apart.
    - Don
      
      Obviously anyone here can act like a saint and say they only download free stuffs from torrents or only download stuffs to which they own copies of legally. I guess that’s all fine and dandy since we don’t each other here personally and even if you did download a movie illegally, you still can always deny it conveniently and nobody would ever know. So quit acting like a smartass cuz we all know everyone lies on the internet.
    - Anonymous
      
      No Don, if you haven’t noticed, on this site in particular people are quite honest. Look at most of the things people said in reply to your nonsense. Most were “fuck you” and the rest were “stfu now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to download the latest Hollywood blockbuster”. I have no need to lie. Especially not to some self-righteous idiot. You’re just upset because that’s at least twice I’ve pointed out that what you said was wrong. You made assumptions about someone and when they explain why that’s incorrect you look like an a$$. Just quit already, as I’ve already proven, you stand no chance against me in any kind of argument. You don’t want to replace Jack Murdock. I tear everything that guy says apart because he doesn’t think or back up anything he says. I’ll do the same to you. So I’m giving you an opportunity to back the f*ck off. I’d take it if I were you. If not though, eh… no skin off my back, I’ll just keep making you look like a fool. Oh and that “we all know everyone lies on the internet”, it’s like “stop making assumptions” just flew right over your head. [shakes head in disappointment] You ever hear that NOFX song “Dinosaurs Will Die”? It’s basically about the music industry, but in this case I’m sure we can apply it to you. Those who don’t change their outlook as time and things progress will go extinct. Laterz Donosaur. I’d say it’s been fun, but it hasn’t. It’s like taking candy from a baby, putting you in your place is no challenge, I almost feel bad about it. Almost. ; )
    - Don
      
      Ever heard of the term “delusions of grandeur”? It perfectly fits you. Its only in your own little dream that you think everything you say is correct and justified. You are tearing apart absolutely nobody, not me, not Jack Mudock, not anybody else for that matter. Don’t make laugh kiddo. You are only making yourself look like a fool, except you don’t even realize that. That’s how dumb you really are.
      
      Changing business model? Who are you to dictate how content owners should distribute their products or run their business for that matter? Go make your own fucking product and then distribute the way you like it moron. Oh right, I forgot you are just a talentless hack. Btw, in case you haven’t realized, the term “you” can be used on a broader scale to indicate not only you but the class of people you belong to, the class of people who like to rip off the developers and artists and try to justify it using absurd reasoning.
      
      You guys are like criminals who keep pleading in court about their innocence. Yeah right, that’s what they all say…
    - Anonymous
      
      I gave you a chance. And I have heard that term, it does apply to me. Because I rock! : P The truth is, I’m smarter than you and I argue points more logically. I don’t say everything I think is correct, but it’s more correct than the BS you keep stating. You can’t even say something without having to go back and and change it and defend it in a different way when people point out what you said was wrong.
      
      And yes, I am ripping apart what you’ve been saying. As I’ve done to Jack. Why do you think he doesn’t respond to myself or others on here? Because he’s wrong and he can’t back up what he says. He only replies to insults or the simplest of comments, picking on the weaker arguments to try and make it look like he’s right. If I didn’t rip apart what you said, you wouldn’t feel a need to come back and change you did say or defend it. You’d say “hmm, my argument hasn’t been shattered, there’s no need for me to care”. But no, that’s not what you do. That’s all the proof I or anyone else needs to see you realize you’re being proved wrong.
      
      I’m not dictating to content owners that they should change or how to run their business. I’m saying that times have changed and what worked before doesn’t work anymore. They need to adapt or die. It’s a fact of life. If you don’t adapt, you die. The same rules apply for business. If you can’t accept that, like I said, you’re a dinosaur and you will go extinct. The truth is content owners are not necessarily content creators. They’re trying to keep control when they’ve lost it. They had a chance to embrace technology a decade ago, if they had they’d probably be on top right now and having things go their way. Instead they fought it, kept fighting and look where we are. The same place as before, except now more and more ACTUAL content creators are saying hey I don’t need the labels or whatnot to distribute my work. That is what the content owners are upset about. That they’re no longer needed. And that they have no control over this medium (the internet and p2p technology) and thus can’t profit off it.
      
      As for talent, I’m into computers and technology. I fix things. I charge occasionally, when I’m strapped for cash, but for the most part I don’t. Why? Because I want to help others and share what I know. I give. I don’t take. I’m also a writer and have a helluva imagination. I write locally, just for fun. Never sell a thing because I don’t need the cash. I write poems, commercial ideas, song lyrics, short stories, etc. So that’s talent right there.
      
      As for the term “you”, that’s bs. You might mean it as the class of people I belong to (which I don’t really belong to), but you keep saying it referring to me. You’re a liar if you say otherwise. Only when you say “you thieves” do you generalize everyone here together. And not all of us here, as I’ve pointed out several times, rip off anyone. Look around, there have been plenty of artists and actual creators who’ve spoken up against guys like you and we support them. I’ve listed indie movies and bands and writers that we’ve supported through monetary donations and word of mouth to others about their products.
      
      As for that last part, not all criminals are guilty. So pleading innocence is accepted. That may be what they all say, but it’s not always a lie. You’ve got blinders on and you refuse to see anything but what you want to. Which in this case is “anyone not with you is a thief”. That’s not true. But all the facts in the world won’t convince you otherwise.
      
      The only fool I’ve seen here is you. You keep going and going and you’re still showing how moronic you and you’re thinking are. You’re a prejudiced old geezer. That’s just sad. You know what’ll be funny, the day things change and more artists speak up and say “fuck the labels we don’t need them”, I bet you’ll have a heart attack and drop dead on the spot when that happens. You’re mind might be blown literally.
      
      Now don’t insult me again, you dumb f*cking prejudiced b*tch. I don’t see you producing anything you c*nt. Just talking sh*t to and judging people you don’t know. Get off your high f*cking horse and quit acting like you’re better than anyone here. As I’ve said, the bias and prejudiced attitude here and judgments you make about others makes you no better than anyone. If anything it makes you worse. You’re lower than pond scum and don’t even realize it.
    - MAFIAAFire
      
      “That’s why there are patents. You can’t just study some company’s proprietary designs and technologies and copy it into your products. Same goes with copyright.”
      
      Ummm no. You almost got away with this one, nice going shill!
      
      The keywords would be “into your products”, which means you are using the design in a commercial perspective – and yes, there are laws against that.
      
      On the other hand, if I look at a Ferrari and build/copy my own car like it (yep, I’m that good!) then there is absolutely no law being broken. If I was mass producing my copy-car and selling it then it would be a problem.
      
      Which is why most filesharers distance themselves from commercial copyright infringer (for example the people who sell DVDs on the streets).
    - Anonymous
      
      actually you can, if the product is for personal use nobody cares.
      
      also companies do this all the time to each other, they make minor changes to competitions designs/products, and sell their own version, patent law is a joke, an evil joke at that, it allows people to put up VERY vauge patents and then patent troll with them(see apple as an example of a huge patent troll company)
      
      I once saw a valid patent for how to take out the trash….no…I am not kidding…..the US govt gave a guy a patent on how to take out your trash…….yeah thats a usefull and valid system….
    - Rekrul
      
      [b]I once saw a valid patent for how to take out the trash….no…I am not kidding…..the US govt gave a guy a patent on how to take out your trash…….yeah thats a usefull and valid system….[/b]
      
      I want to take out a patent on a method of expansion and compression for cycling O2 out of an organic container.
      
      Then everyone who breathes will have to get a license from me. Or stop breathing…
    - Ugly American
      
      “That’s why there are patents. You can’t just study some company’s proprietary designs and technologies and copy it into your products.”
      
      Actually, you can as long as you don’t intend to profit – it must be strictly for personal use. Furthermore, if I choose to give it away freely, your patent can take it in the ass. Moron.
    - Anonymous
      
      Actually it does matter who got paid and who doesn’t. Because ed dickinson just said the worker bees are losing their jobs and not getting paid because a movie is downloaded. Which is false. And as such it should be stated.
      
      And also, you’re comparison on your neighbor having two cars is flawed. No you wouldn’t take it and then return it, that is stealing (unless he gave you permission in which case it’s not stealing). I believe the comparison that is more appropriate is my neighbor has a car. I can make a copy of his car without taking his. So he keeps his car and I keep the copy I made. No one was hurt by that. Not my neighbor. Why? Because he still has his car. (If you’re gonna make an analogy as part of your argument, at least make a correct one.)
    - Friend of the People
      
      The only problem with that analogy is that it does not acknowledge the problem of designing new media content. If you had a make and model that could be copied endlessly without work, there would be little to no need for new designs. People might still want new designs, but they could be served by only one type. You can’t be served by only one make in culture. The problem with your analogy is that the work in cars is in assembly and materials. The work in culture is design. All analogies break down. Your analogy is not correct.
    - Anonymous
      
      The analogy I gave is correct in regards to what Don was trying to say. Or better said more correct. I wasn’t going off on assembly and materials but on straight up copying something without stealing. So yeah. And also, even if a car could be copied, why do you say there’d be little to no need for new designs? So what, if it were possible at the time to copy Model As, that’s all we’d have today? No one would have wanted to design a new car? Or create more powerful engines? Doubtful sir or ma’am, very doubtful. As far as cars go, innovation is key to the market. Your car sucks, your company goes under. You create newer and better vehicles, your company grows and profits. So like I said, this analogy was correct and we wouldn’t only have one type of car on the streets.
    - Don
      
      If you could copy cars at the click of a button, then car companies would simply stop making new cars because the research and production costs would not make it viable if only one person in the world buys it and then copies it to billions of others.
      
      That’s what happening to the movie industry now. Because everything gets pirated, the motivation to shoot movies with new ideas and stories is slowly getting lost. Independent movies hardly make any profit.
    - Anonymous
      
      @ Don
      
      Goddamn if you don’t know when to quit, almost admirable. No, the car companies would not stop making new cars. Not everyone would copy a car Don. The same way NOT EVERYONE DOWNLOADS THINGS ILLEGALLY. Cars would still sell, just like dvds and cds (or digital mp3s/videos) do. For a plethora of reasons, one being that not everyone would want to, another being some people love the feeling of driving a car they worked for and earned money for fresh off the lot. There are others, but I’m not listing them all just for you.
      
      The movie industry now isn’t dying because of piracy. It’s dying because of their lack of new ideas. Making 10 sequels to movies which were barely “okay” the first time, making parodies that aren’t even funny but instead just throw every pop culture reference from the past year into the film, remakes of tv shows/films, and rebooting movies that were literally just rebooted within the past 10 years. All that is killing that industry. And better said, NOT killing that industry. I think you are the new Jack Murdock. You literally ignore everything that isn’t convenient. Have you visited this site before? Because there have been articles on the record breaking profits achieved by the movie industry for (at least) the past 3 consecutive years. Yep, you read that right. The past 3 years the movie industry has broken previous records, each consecutive year surpassing the previous year. I’m sure 2011 will surpass 2010 if the trend continues. That actually straight up, slap to the face proves what you just said wrong.
      
      As for independent movies hardly make any profit, well “Hobo With A Shotgun” shoots that down. So I’m not going to bother listing any more than that. “Cube” (a really great independent movie was shot with literally enough money to purchase essentially one room for the entire set. That has had insane dvd sales and has developed cult status. I’d even call SyFy Originals “independent”, they’re made on the tiniest of budgets (although that’s grown recently, but still not Hollywood blockbuster budgets) and they get such a return that they keep producing more. That’s right, the crappy (but oh so cheesy in a good way) SyFy Originals get such ratings and sell so many dvds that they turn huge profits and allow for even more to be made.
      
      Sorry kid, you’re just failing left and right with what you say. I say take the rest of the day off and ponder what I’ve pointed out. Or don’t, Jack #2. If it helps you sleep at night and make it through your day, pretend you’re still right and everything that you said is true. But just know, it’s not. : P
    - Don
      
      “Not everyone would copy a car Don. The same way NOT EVERYONE DOWNLOADS THINGS ILLEGALLY.”
      
      Well thank goodness there are still people like us who don’t download things illegally eh? Or else the movie industry would have shut down by now.
      
      Record breaking profits? Does it even matter? Is that a good enough reason to download things illegally? Its still wrong whichever way you look at it and you guys are just making yourself look like criminals by trying to justify your deeds by hook or crook. Should I rob my neighbor because he is already too damn rich and couldn’t give a damn? If the movie industry is making profits, they sure as hell have earned it. Afterall, guys like you don’t have the talent to write scripts and direct a movie do you?
    - Anonymous
      
      Like I said, goddamn man, you just don’t quit. And I must say you’re a hell of a troll. We’ve come completely of topic. This article is about domain seizures and your going on about cars and stuff.
      
      No one is justifying anything here. You keep going off. YOU. And I’m replying to what you say. Stealing is wrong, no one’s said otherwise. But you keep going and going and going. I haven’t even remotely advocated piracy or downloading anything, but somehow you keep saying that I and others are trying to justify things. We respond to you and you try and spin it like crazy. If you rob your neighbor Don, that’d be theft. Making a copy is not depriving anyone of something, so it’s sort of not actual theft. But that’s irrelevant. You were going off about losses, so I mentioned the profits. Now you’re taking “record breaking profits” and spinning that into “so that justifies stealing”. No one said that, I sure as hell didn’t. Just quit arguing dude. You’re literally spinning things out of nothing. You’re just ranting pretty much. No one can reply to you without you trying to twist what they say. You say one thing, we correct you or point out something and you’re like “so it’s okay to steal then huh!?!?! huh?!?!” (that’s pretty much what you’re doing) Chill the f*ck out. Take a xanax or something man, I’m worried you’re gonna give yourself an aneurysm or something.
      
      Don, if you think the stuff Hollywood is producing takes talent to write or direct, you’re dumb. I haven’t seen one movie in the past year that I didn’t regret paying for two tickets plus concession stand food to see. (I usually take a friend with me because we both love going to the movies and due to my gentlemanly nature I always pay for her.) Every movie we’ve seen in the past year we’ve been disappointed in and said so right after. It doesn’t take talent to write half that crap or direct. (see a Michael Bay film sometime to see if he’s got talent, and no putting explosions in every other scene does not equal creative talent)
      
      So to answer your question, yes apparently by the standards Hollywood’s been setting the past few years, I’ve got MORE THAN ENOUGH talent to write something. Hell, it’s easy. Take something that’s already been made before, write it in a modernized setting and that’s it. Bam! Hollywood standard issue film right there. Takes no effort at all. I can think of half a dozen shows/movies that could serve as better remakes than most of the remakes made in the past decade.
    - Friend of the People
      
      I’d clarify and expand on what I said earlier, but it looks like a shitstorm took place while I was gone. Think I’ll go comment elsewhere now.
      
      Actually, I’ll bite. The point is that one model of car is sufficient and any further research would be done only by enthusiasts. However, for non-enthusiasts, one model would be sufficient, or at least, all of the current ones would be. For art though, one model (or the current models I should say) is never sufficient.
      
      Actually, I’ll leave it there. I don’t think you’ll see this anyway. Kinda late.
    - Anonymous
      
      Hey it’s your argument that people don’t get paid, not ours. And now that you can’t explain it, it doesn’t matter? lol. We are not borrowing his car, it never leaves his driveway and he can keep using it whenever he wants. We build a replica of his car ourselves that’s all… So it’s not taking stuff and it’s not criminal.
    - Scary Devil Monastery
      
      Still hell bent on proving your single-digit IQ?
      
      If my neighbour has two cars, i like the look of one of them and build my own using my own materials then what you have cannot be called “theft” in ANY sense of the word.
      
      Nor can filesharing.
- Ugly American
  
  “Glad the government is doing this.”
  
  Of course you are, Eric – I mean, “ed.”
  
  “You guys can’t afford 2.99 to watch a movie???”
  
  Not if 2.98 goes to the studio – that’s just criminal.
  
  “Cheap is not the word.”
  
  True – bird is the word: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKTMfYdgpnM
  
  “It’s not about the studios,”
  
  Yes, it is – it’s all about the studios. Fvcking liar.
  
  “it’s about all those regular folk who work in the industry to put food on the table.”
  
  Pay them more, shill – buy fewer mansions, snort less coke and drive an inexpensive car: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_T_92poZHMOY/R9vJydRPTbI/AAAAAAAAAAg/nifUeYnGQg8/s400/romanianredneck.jpg
  
  “Rationalize all you want, but ultimately, when you rip these movies off, you are hurting the worker bees.”
  
  A. “rip these movies off” = making mere copies and not stealing anything.
  B. “hurting the worker bees” = we don’t control what the MAFIAA pays them.
  
  “Also, not every film is financed by a big studio.”
  
  …much to the chagrin of the MAFIAA. I’m sure this upsets you terribly.
  
  “Indie filmmakers are hurting and don’t get money from theatrical.”
  
  Not my problem – or yours, MAFIAA shill. Your diversionary tactics fail.
  
  “They are doing what they can to get their films out their via VOD, but hard to compete with free,”
  
  …which is why a donation button works so well – and there are other methods to raise revenue but as a MAFIAA shill who is too busy defending the current business model, you wouldn’t know. Good, stay fvcking ignorant… <3
  
  "particularly when folks like you prefer to give your money to Starbucks rather than support a film you want to watch. "
  
  You drink that Starfvcks piss, huh?
  
  You have shill written all over your mug – actually, both of them. :-*
  - Xult
    
    Ed formally known as Jacl Murdock ?
    Eric Boehm ?
    The Bufords ?
    
    I may be wrong … Doubt it.
    
    Top ass canadian IT lawyer who brags to much
    about how good he is.
    - Anonymous
      
      I doubt it’s the lawyer guy. Look at his statements, if he is a lawyer i am Albert Einstein. More likely the apple employee or the highschool basketball guy.
  - Don
    
    You seem to be a hypersensitive bloke. Take care lol or you might die of anxiety one day while stealing a movie.
    - Met
      
      whoever liked that is an idiot. don sucks, hes a payed shill with no real job living in his moms basement and trying to intimidate people on the internet. get a life seriously.
    - Don
      
      You’re talking about yourself right? You must be because I have a life, a good life I must say but you seem to be one of those basement dwelling freeloaders who like to download copyrighted materials for free.
    - Ugly American
      
      “You’re talking about yourself right?”
      
      You’re not exactly a whiz when it comes to this reading and comprehension thing, huh?
      
      “You must be because I have a life a good life I must say”
      
      Being a MAFIAA whore is far from “a good life” but if you insist on being a prostitute, at least wipe the dried jizz from your snout. Seriously, I can’t take you anywhere – you’re embarrassing me.
      
      “but you seem to be one of those basement dwelling freeloaders”
      
      Naturally – people can only download if they dwell in basements. I didn’t realize you possessed such a scientific mind – you botched fvcking abortion.
      
      “who like to download copyrighted materials for free.”
      
      “For free” – as if broadband, usenet, vpn, hosts and external devices = “free.”
      Tell us more about those “freetards,” you pathetic excuse of a gutter rat… :-*
    - Jon7272
      
      well said sir
    - Don
      
      You cut me real deep there with your insults. Lmao.
    - Jon7272
      
      i like free movies and music y is what you say going to effect my downloading heheh so stfu ps back to downloading
    - Ugly American
      
      “You seem to be a hypersensitive bloke.”
      
      Nah, just an Ugly American – learn how to read, cretin. It’s not that hard.
      
      “Take care lol or you might die of anxiety one day while stealing a movie.”
      
      If I one merely copies without actually removing anything, how in the MAFIAA’s cherry red bunghole is one “stealing?” Keep repeating the same old lies, moron – like downloading = “lost sales,” copying = “stealing” and sharing = “lost jobs.”
      
      You need a serious dose of reality, a real job and one of these up your ass:
      http://images.wikia.com/mk/images/1/1d/Spike_Club.jpg
    - Don
      
      The same old copy excuse blah blah blah. Even if you copy, the developer doesn’t get paid, so what difference is there? Can’t afford to pay for a product? Then don’t use it, simple as that. But being a sewer rat, that simple logic is beyond your comprehension.
    - Anonymous
      
      I think I’m going to make it a point to point out all the flaws in every post you write. For instance, “the developer doesn’t get paid”. I say to that, “oh really”. Because a developer gets paid to develop something. It’s just a fact. You make something, software in this case, you get paid by a company to do so. The guy who created Adobe CS5 got paid for his work. Then Adobe sells what he helped develop. He gets no cut of the sales. But he does get paid for his work. So again, you fail in what you say. That simple logic is beyond your comprehension. If you’re gonna say something, make sure it makes sense, because there’s always someone out there who will rip it apart if it’s illogical and false.
    - Don
      
      If Adobe has to pay the developer for future projects, then Adobe must make money from sales which they don’t when you download for free. If Adobe doesn’t make money, they will go out of business and its developers will become unemployed. Is that too hard to understand? You are obviously not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
    - Anonymous
      
      No Don, yet again. You say one thing, it gets ripped apart. You change your story. And honestly, Adobe is one of the biggest (and most expensive) products that does get pirated. But guess what? Adobe makes a ton of money off their products. Why? Because businesses still pay for their products. The more popular choices tending to be the most expensive. And the ones that tend to be sold more to businesses and schools. To Adobe, what the guy or girl at home does to get it’s products is insignificant. That’s a percentage that means very little to them, because as I said it gets most of it’s money from sales to corporations.
      
      You see if Adobe, went under then employees would go unemployed and etc. In which case what you said would be accurate. But that’s not the case.
      
      Don’t insult me, it just shows what I say isn’t to your liking and you have to resort to name calling and insult hurling. I am actually one of the sharpest knives in any drawer. My IQ is probably way higher than yours. I’m also obviously a more thoughtful (as in I think before I open my mouth and just talk out of my a$$ like you do) person. First and last warning, don’t insult me again. You’re way out of your depth if you do it again and I will verbally beat you stupid.
    - Don
      
      Are you threatening me? Oh my, I am so intimidated ha ha. Talk about a keyboard warrior, yes that’s you. You definitely aren’t the sharpest knife in the drawer, rather one of the blunt ones in any drawer. You tell me not to make assumptions and yet you still make assumptions on my IQ. Just like I said, you are the “talk out of your a$$ kinda person”, only difference is that you are too dumb to realize that.
      
      “You see if Adobe, went under then employees would go unemployed and etc. In which case what you said would be accurate. But that’s not the case.”
      
      You don’t get it do ya? How thick is your skull? Adobe is not the only company in the world. I only used Adobe as an example to get my point across. Put any small company in place of Adobe and it’s not too hard to see how piracy can deeply affect their business which in turn would cause them to shut down, which leads to unemployment of developers. Now don’t tell me softwares produced by small companies gets pirated. Everything gets pirated on the internet, even $1 ebooks.
      
      Coming to big companies like Adobe. Yes they do make profits but you are using that as a basis to justify piracy. Irrespective of how much profit a person or a company makes, what right have you got to rip them off? They are doing honest business and you pirates think nothing of ripping them off and even come here to justify it.
    - Don
      
      Are you threatening me? Oh my, I am so intimidated ha ha. Talk about a keyboard warrior, yes that’s you. You definitely aren’t the sharpest knife in the drawer, rather one of the blunt ones in any drawer. You tell me not to make assumptions and yet you still make assumptions on my IQ. Just like I said, you are the “talk out of your a$$ kinda person”, only difference is that you are too dumb to realize that.
      
      “You see if Adobe, went under then employees would go unemployed and etc. In which case what you said would be accurate. But that’s not the case.”
      
      You don’t get it do ya? How thick is your skull? Adobe is not the only company in the world. I only used Adobe as an example to get my point across. Put any small company in place of Adobe and it’s not too hard to see how piracy can deeply affect their business which in turn would cause them to shut down, which leads to unemployment of developers. Now don’t tell me softwares produced by small companies gets pirated. Everything gets pirated on the internet, even $1 ebooks.
      
      Coming to big companies like Adobe. Yes they do make profits but you are using that as a basis to justify piracy. Irrespective of how much profit a person or a company makes, what right have you got to rip them off? They are doing honest business and you pirates think nothing of ripping them off and even come here to justify it.
    - Anonymous
      
      Don I don’t threaten people. I said I’d verbally beat you stupid as in if you insult me, I will dish out way worse than what you do. You’re a complete moron if you took that as a threat.
      
      And so what if I made an assumption, you’ve made plenty and hurled a few insults already towards myself and others on here. What, don’t like it when someone returns the favor? That makes you a hypocrite. You can dish it out but you can’t take it.
      
      I merely said Adobe because you kept saying Adobe. If you want to be specific be specific. If you want to generalize, then generalize. Don’t mean one thing and say another. You meant other companies then say “many small companies”. See, you change your tune every time you reply. One minute it’s Adobe, I point out things about Adobe. Then you’re like “no wait I meant these other guys”. Which is it?
      
      I’m not saying small companies don’t get their stuff pirated. I was discussing Adobe as per the previous comment of yours. Many things get pirated, it’s just a fact. And I’m not justifying piracy. All I’ve been saying (in the previous comments here in this one section) is Adobe isn’t hugely affected the way you were making it out to be. I wasn’t justifying piracy at all. You’re trying to spin things to suit you. I personally don’t use anything from Adobe besides Flash Player for my browsers, so I’m not ripping them off. For my PDF needs I use Foxit. For messing with photos I use Gimp. Both of those are open source software and distributed freely. With the exception of Microsoft Office, everything I use is freeware. So yea, that shoots down that “what right have you got” thing. Since I’m not stealing from Adobe or any other company I don’t need to explain or defend anything.
      
      Most people on this article weren’t even discussing piracy til shills like you jump in and start talking trash. We were upset about the how this constitutes censorship, which is a violation of free speech. You go off on a tangent and we have to explain things to you kids. You can’t see squat from your high f*cking horse. Thieves, pirates, wre wre wre. That’s all you see/say. You don’t see that they’re censoring websites, and doing so without due process of the law. Which is a violation of Constitutionally protected rights. You don’t see that they even censor sites in other countries, where file sharing is legal and thus the United States has no legal right to censor those sites or seize their domains, because it’s not in their jurisdiction. You don’t see that censoship is a violation of free speech and this is the first step down the path to censoring any/all speech. No you just focus on what you want to and ignore everything else that doesn’t fit your world view. So instead of calling me dumb, think about about all that and then realize how dumb you and the other trolls are. You’re so focused on piracy, you don’t even realize one day you won’t be able to say a word on here or anywhere else. Because it’ll be censored. We’re not the ones ripping people off here, it’s the government. Ripping off people’s rights. And it’s groups like the RIAA/MPAA ripping off ACTUAL content creators. But complain and b*tch all you want about what you want. The rest isn’t important, I can’t wait til they censor everything. At least then we won’t have to listen to the ignorant ramblings of people like you.
    - Lulz
      
      Hey Don, sit on this http://www.zoofur.com/image.php?type=P&id=16155
    - Anonymous
      
      It is perfectly legal to build a reproduction of my neighbors car for myself as long as i do not make a production line and sell them. It’s the law.
    - Ugly American
      
      “The same old copy excuse blah blah blah.”
      
      It’s not an “excuse” but a simple fact – a copy = a copy. See how simple that was?
      
      “Even if you copy, the developer doesn’t get paid, so what difference is there?”
      
      The difference is that you assume I would make a purchase if a copy were not available – therefore, simpleton, acquiring a copy of something I never intended to purchase in the first place = not a lost sale. I know it’s difficult to comprehend – you might want to read that a few times. Slowly. Very slowly.
      
      “Can’t afford to pay for a product? Then don’t use it, simple as that.”
      
      Cretin, it’s not a question of ability to pay – it’s a question of wanting or not wanting to make a particular purchase in the first place. Rolex wouldn’t necessarily lose a sale if I found a Timex up your ass – fvck knows what other timely products I might find up there…
      
      “But being a sewer rat, that simple logic is beyond your comprehension.”
      
      You being a sewer rat = “simple logic beyond my comprehension?”
      Not possible – I’m the one who baptized you as such. Fvcking rodent. :-*
    - Don
      
      The same old copy excuse blah blah blah. Even if you copy, the developer doesn’t get paid, so what difference is there? Can’t afford to pay for a product? Then don’t use it, simple as that. But being a sewer rat, that simple logic is beyond your comprehension.
- John
  
  you know i agree with you somewhat, and thats why i think 3d is so important to the industry. However, I disagree if you think its stealing, with that regard I think it is different in every situation(it certainly is one for one), not everybody chooses to pay to see every movie, there are only so many you will pay to see, and some people end up watching a lot of these movies because there free. I do agree its a problem(at least in my opinion, tho others disagree) morally if you were actually willing to pay and it is one of those movies you would have paid for had it not been free. So In the end I think each situation is different and no general characterization can be made about these situations, each circumstance is different and I think the approach for dealing with them needs to change and be less about restricting peoples freedoms(the act could affect other areas as well not just help the movie industry) and more about doing what is right given each individual circumstances. Think about it this way, should we punish a poor orphan for downloading a movie, I would say that is unethical, but if someone is well off or well enough off I think there should be an expectation of payment especially in cases where they otherwise would if it wasnt freely available.(the other situation is a little different as noted)
  - Metal Neostyles Nv/Dx
    
    no what needs to happen is fair copyright. 15 years maximum and thats at the extreme. when the copyright expires it becomes public domain. thats how it was originally, but the lobbyists were greedy and payed off the government to change the laws.
    - Don
      
      Does it matter to you guys anyway? Its not like you will wait for 15 years to download or game a movie anyway.
    - Don
      
      Does it matter to you guys anyway? Its not like you will wait for 15 years to download or game a movie anyway.
    - Ugly American
      
      In 15 years, we’ll piss on the MAFIAA’s grave – oh, and share HD copies with each other. Be a good little bitch and I might send you a copy – you fvcking shill… :-*
    - Jon7272
      
      no it doesnt matter back to downloading lol
    - Haxor
      
      i wont ill get it before you release it and you can burn suck hole.
- Anonymous
  
  If you paid attention and were on this site more often you’d realize most of us here support the indie scene. Be it music, movies, shows, etc. We gladly support those little guys. If they give their products out freely we download them. Most of the time indie products surpass Hollywood products in quality. And when we can we donate to the creators. Assuming they have a means of accepting donations (not all do). If something indie is released we embrace it. Look at Hobo With A Shotgun. It was a huge hit download wise. And it ended up selling like crazy. Guess who bought most of those copies it sold. Yep, the people who downloaded it. Because it was worth buying.
  
  You say the “worker bees” get hurt. Really? Can you present proper proof of this? We’d all love to see it. Because it’s my understanding the worker bees get paid while they work. Otherwise, they wouldn’t work. People don’t work for free. They have to get paid. So those worker bees who help create those blockbusters get paid while they work on the film. By the time it hits theaters, they’ve made all they’re going to make off it. The only ones who MAY (and it’s not often) benefit from ticket sales or dvd sales are a handful of people (directors/actors who are already super rich and have it written into their contracts that they get a cut of any ticket/dvd sale profits). The worker bees don’t get a dime from that.
  
  So quit using that bs. Or if you want to keep using present proof to support your claim. Otherwise, much like Jack Murdock, you’re all talk.
- Dieinafire
  
  You can go die in a fire too. I download movies mainly because I got sick and tired of getting burned years ago by going to movies and buying dvd only to find out it was a horribly shitty release. Now, I can preview a movie, music album then decide if it’s a quality release before I buy. Believe me, you don’t want pirates to stop purchasing shit. We do buy a lot of products.
- Dieinafire
  
  You can go die in a fire too. I download movies mainly because I got sick and tired of getting burned years ago by going to movies and buying dvd only to find out it was a horribly shitty release. Now, I can preview a movie, music album then decide if it’s a quality release before I buy. Believe me, you don’t want pirates to stop purchasing shit. We do buy a lot of products.
- Thatguy
  
  if a business industry dies because of changes in the reality, no one cares, just find a job in a blooming industry not a dying one. when thousands of employees get laid off because what their factory was making does not sell anymore, do we say that the people who manufacture the replacing products are criminals? If i wanna be a fireman and no one needs no firemen do i sue the ppl who make fire extinguishers cos they cost me my job.
  
  anyways a job in the movie industry is like a fun job, not everybody can have a fun job… do you think that theres any work in the movie industry for me, a french canadian?? no if i want to earn money i have to work a boring job like in a call center. Why should you have the super fun job?
  
  Just go get a real job like i did all my life
Neotoasty

This list should be getting shorter and shorter as the year goes on, considering all the targets they desperately want to take down, have jumped ship.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NINJ2XQMX4V6VHUQWPPVLEYZI4 Smilin' Bob

I want to thank ICE for illegally taking down these web sites. Without the fuss and news generated, I wouldn’t know about them. Every time they take down a site and you all post the new DNS, I have a new place to check out. Thanks, ICE, for helping me to download more movies and wares. And as far as your plans for censoring the internet goes – FOAD!
- Anonymous
  
  I can’t believe Disqus doesn’t support HTML Decimal encoding. . .
  
  Well Smilin' Bob, I agree.
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Asdf

I got to echo the sentiments that ICE is actually helping me find out about sites I never heard of before they seized the domain. I now have a whole new slew of sites that I frequent thanks to them.
- Ugly American
  
  And to think I doubted ICE would actually accomplish anything – way to go, Uncle Sham! Keep up the good work! <3
Grindleader

Anyone else having trouble getting on TPB?
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Artfanatic411

maybe i am not getting this but if you purchase a domain hosted outside of the US doesnt that prevent the US from seizing it?
- Roller
  
  Not if you use .com, .net, or the other common domain extensions.
  - Artfanatic411
    
    that is just plain ridiculous – the US is not the internet god – it should only pertain to sites which are hosted by US domains
    - Don
      
      Got a legal site? Then you got nothing to worry about. Stop complaining fool. They are only seizing domain names of sites promoting illegal activities.
    - OpenCDE
      
      do you not understand, no one likes you, you suck ass. hit the road.
      
      and you’re wrong by the way as well.
      
      truth hurts eh.
    - Don
      
      You don’t have a comeback, do ya bitch?
    - Ugly American
      
      Bend over, Don – I’ll give you a cum back… :-*
    - Jon7272
      
      dont need a comeback i just dont give a fuck and meanwhile back to downloading lol
    - Haxor
      
      i do , be funny if ICE gets a seized domain defaced and hte image of a ice cream splatter is left.
    - Ugly American
      
      “…promoting illegal activities.”
      
      Hey fvcktard, US law applies all over the fvcking planet? Get it through your thick skull – these stupid seizures are only discouraging people from hosting here and fvcking our own economy in the process. Christ, do I have to spell it out? LOL
    - Haxor
      
      i like the factg you americans are retarded no really there is hope as the rest of the planet moves on and your all left in a giant crater of stupid
    - ninjavideo
      
      That was uncalled for sir. I am completely in agreement about US government overstepping their boundaries and I can’t comment too much on this subject but lets just say I am on your side. However I am American and most Americans are for piracy not against it, we can’t help it that our dinosaur government is ran by the movie industry. So please when you talk about this countries ignorance know that not all of us are this ignorant. These seizures violate peoples civil rights and I really am against this. It doesn’t matter what the hell they are hosting and I mean that, you don’t just go and break the law if you are government. It really pisses me off that people don’t understand how important this is and this is just a small example of whats to come in the future if we don’t take a stand against this. Seriously when the governments start taking over well they already have but once they start showing their power in a communist fashion and not just on illegal activity (keep in mind that linking to content is not illegal) people are going to realize they should have stopped this a long time ago when they started crossing the line now. Not that anything I say is going to make a damn bit of difference nobody ever does anything until its too late because they think someone else will stop it, but nope we are all just going to sit back in our invisible chains. Anyways so yeah haxor aka script kiddie moron don’t think all Americans are the same you friggin idiot script kiddie.
    - Haxor
      
      It’s completely called for. YOU prove my point , you ever hear of a paragraph yet. ROFL. Rest of anyhting you say therefore can’t be of any value.
    - Ugly American
      
      “i like the factg you americans are retarded”
      
      We’re “retarded,” huh? What the fvck is “factg,” retard? Learn to spell.
      
      “no really there is hope”
      
      …and change? Now you sound like an indoctrinated Obammunist – and you write(?) just as well. Try not to type with one finger in your dog’s anus. Your cousin might accuse you of cheating – it’s not good for the dog either. <3
      
      "as the rest of the planet moves on"
      
      …from one Socialist fail to another. Epic!
      
      "and your all left in a giant crater of stupid"
      
      …which "your" presently occupying – it's YOU'RE, you steady stream of stale splooge. :-*
    - Jon7272
      
      no and meanwhile back to downloading
    - Haxor
      
      YOUR LAW AINT MY LAW end a story you zombie gay cow herding ass cheeser.
    - Anonymous
      
      Actually that’s not true. As has been reported on this very site. A few sites they’ve taken down were operated in other countries. Other countries where file sharing is LEGAL. Other countries who DO NOT have to obey the laws of this country and who have their own set of laws.
    - Anonymous
      
      They take down sites with links… The internet IS links, so NO ONE is safe. Because next time they could say: links to news articles are reasons for domain seizure. Links, even to copyrighted material are not illegal. There is no law that says that. In my country in fact there is a law, and case precedent that says even links to copyrighted material ARE legal.
    - Haxor
      
      Be even more funny if in these other nations people started filing lawsuits on the local riaa/mpaa for violating local law and international treaties that say you can’t do this.
    - Scary Devil Monastery
      
      Then what would you call those 84000 perfectly legal sites which got pulles as “collateral damage”?
      
      A “domain seizure” is like cutting off a main water pipe serving a portion of a city because two tenants didn’t pay their bills. And those tenants, being aware it might happen already siphon water from another pipe anyway. So the only ones who get hurt are the legitimate customers who don’t take precautions.
      
      I call rule 14. People with the ignorance you keep displaying do not exist in real life.
    - Don
      
      Got a legal site? Then you got nothing to worry about. Stop complaining fool. They are only seizing domain names of sites promoting illegal activities.
    - Bryan Haskins
      
      Common misconception: Domains are not what’s “hosted”. domains are simply something you buy access to, and have it “redirect” to your server which hosts the actual content.
      
      So in effect, doesn’t matter where you purchase it. I agree it’s super wrong and very shady, but unfortunately that’s the hole they use to maintain *some* kind of legal ground.
- Anonymous
  
  Correct, for the most part. .com, .net, .org, and a couple others I believe are managed by ICANN, a US-based service. Any domain that is specific to the US can be subjected to these illegal seizures, which is why big sites, and many other smaller sites, have already made purchases to other domain registrars to make sure they have a backup in case their main domain is seized. Look at Demonoid, their domain hasn’t been seized yet, but they already moved to .me.
Sam

Watchnewfilms.com works if you don’t go to the www subdomain, and then it’s a broken image. Something smells.
- Anonymous
  
  Duh, wait for the DNS change to propagate. Educate yourself.
Oper

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Jennie

re1ease.net domain seized by FBI. Alternate domain already up at scrrls.net
- Anonymous
  
  FBI has nothing to do with it, dumbass.
Xult

Its like using a machine gun to kill ants
http://twitter.com/p2jack P2p Jack

right it seems that no DDL sites are up for the taking…
just incase

OneDDL.com has OneDDL.me OneDDL.co OneDDL.eu OneDDL.info 1ddl.net and others ;)
- Don
  
  Gee okone, you had to come here and start spamming too? You are one shameless little creature like all the other thieves here.
  - Maremie
    
    get out bitch. no one wants you, seriously.
    - Don
      
      Oh the little band of thieves here don’t want me here. Boohoo! Truth hurts I know.
    - Artfanatic411
      
      Don why are you on this site if you dislike the discussion topics? You also can reply to things in a civil manner. You calling a person names is denigrating and i do not appreciate it.
    - Ugly American
      
      “Oh the little band of thieves here don’t want me here.”
      
      “The little band of thieves here” aren’t removing anything.
      
      “Boohoo!”
      
      Stop balling like a little MAFIAA bitch – you won’t receive your bonus this year.
      
      “Truth hurts I know.”
      
      I suppose you’re a fvcking masochist if the “truth hurts” that much – you and Murdock make a cute couple: http://www.bdsmromance.com/male-masochist-slave/gay-male-sadist-master-masochist-slave-art.jpg
    - Jon7272
      
      truth doesnt hurt me meanwhile back to downloading
    - Haxor
      
      be awful funny if a seized ICE site got its page defaced and a ice cream splatter image was left behind…..
    - Anonymous
      
      I should point out, first off you keep calling everyone here thieves. Not everyone here is a thief. I’m a huge supporter of 2 things.
      
      Freedom of speech. Which censoring sites is clearly violating. Regardless of what’s being censored. Because if you censor this thing for this group, then you’ll have to censor something else for another group later. Seizing sites is a clear violation of freedom of speech. You want to focus on counterfeit goods and file sharing, that’s fine. But later when they censor sites that someone else lobbies to get censored (perhaps sites you enjoy that are legal), you’ll be complaining.
      
      Secondly I gladly support file sharing. For instance, you may call me a thief. Do you know what I download. Pioneer One, Tunnel, and various albums by bands who freely distribute what they create online through torrents or direct downloads. That’s right. What I download is freely given away. I also download Linux distributions through torrents. They dl much faster that way. Also, perfectly acceptable and freely distributed by the creators. That means I support file sharing and I’m not stealing anything.
      
      And not thirdly, but on a related note, not all people here are thieves. Some support file sharing for the reasons I do, that means they aren’t stealing anything because it’s freely given away. Secondly, some people commenting on here are worrying about their right to free speech which could suffer because of this. So they obviously aren’t thieves. If anything the people censoring sites (a clear violation of free speech) are the thieves. When the RIAA/MPAA turn around and hand over any winnings they get in court judgements to the artists then I’ll be impressed. But until then they are the real thieves. Because they aren’t creating anything and they’re making money off other people’s work.
    - surfer
      
      I noticed the troll did not address this post.. epiphany?
    - Anonymous
      
      Actually no. Like most trolls on here if you speak to him reasonably and explain yourself (with proof and facts to back you up if needed) they don’t like that. They’ll just completely ignore what you say. If you read further up you’ll see I’ve made it a point to point out the flaws in what he’s been saying. For the most part, when I have he responds and then changes what he said. At which point I’m just ripping those apart too.
      
      This guy is like Jack Murdock. Talks a big game but doesn’t back it up. Essentially calls people out. And when they step up and respond he meekly walks off and hopes no one notices. Or if he does respond it’s only to insults. Not actual arguments he knows he won’t win.
    - Scary Devil Monastery
      
      The smarter trolls run their own version of rule 14. “If someone makes sense, ignore them”.
    - surfer
      
      I noticed the troll did not address this post.. epiphany?
    - Anonymous
      
      I should point out, first off you keep calling everyone here thieves. Not everyone here is a thief. I’m a huge supporter of 2 things.
      
      Freedom of speech. Which censoring sites is clearly violating. Regardless of what’s being censored. Because if you censor this thing for this group, then you’ll have to censor something else for another group later. Seizing sites is a clear violation of freedom of speech. You want to focus on counterfeit goods and file sharing, that’s fine. But later when they censor sites that someone else lobbies to get censored (perhaps sites you enjoy that are legal), you’ll be complaining.
      
      Secondly I gladly support file sharing. For instance, you may call me a thief. Do you know what I download. Pioneer One, Tunnel, and various albums by bands who freely distribute what they create online through torrents or direct downloads. That’s right. What I download is freely given away. I also download Linux distributions through torrents. They dl much faster that way. Also, perfectly acceptable and freely distributed by the creators. That means I support file sharing and I’m not stealing anything.
      
      And not thirdly, but on a related note, not all people here are thieves. Some support file sharing for the reasons I do, that means they aren’t stealing anything because it’s freely given away. Secondly, some people commenting on here are worrying about their right to free speech which could suffer because of this. So they obviously aren’t thieves. If anything the people censoring sites (a clear violation of free speech) are the thieves. When the RIAA/MPAA turn around and hand over any winnings they get in court judgements to the artists then I’ll be impressed. But until then they are the real thieves. Because they aren’t creating anything and they’re making money off other people’s work.
  - Xult
    
    Another paid Dickhead.
    We will find you.
    We will publicise who you are.
  - Jon7272
    
    sharer and proad of it and meanwile back to downloading
  - bitch
    
    flagged
  - bitch
    
    flagged
- okone
  
  I would just like to point out, I had nothing to do with the above post. I think he was simply pointing out we have a series of backup domains.
Lolcopter

anyone see that piratebay is down… :/
- Someannoy
  
  Its not down, could be your ISP blocking it, try a proxy like hidemyass.com to test it
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MajorTreat

ICE will be Hacked and Holywood studio will burn down again to the ground.
- Manicouagan
  
  oh man i cant wait where are those russian hackers when we need them!!
Guest

Don you are an idiot and a fool. Tell your bosses that we are going to kill them all.
- Ugly American
  
  “kill them all” = a complete boycott of all MAFIAA “products.”
  - Roller
    
    “boycott”=pirate for free, which you do anyway.
    - Kabkajs
      
      No. I still goes to the theater sometimes
    - Ugly American
      
      I haven’t been to one in years – and I simply refuse to waste my time / money on Hollywood’s “products.”
    - Ugly American
      
      As if I would download any of Hollywood’s garbage “entertainment” – a complete waste of my bandwidth, you clueless fvcking moron… :-*
    - Roller
      
      You’re not fooling anyone stupid pirate.
    - Ugly American
      
      It seems this “stupid pirate” has fooled you without even trying – you actually believe that I’d waste my time with your “industry’s” garbage? Most commercial music = bland bullshit and the rest of your “entertainment” is as useful as tits on a nun. What I share has nothing to do with your precious MAFIAA – you stupid shill.
    - Ugly American
      
      It seems this “stupid pirate” has fooled you without even trying – you actually believe that I’d waste my time with your “industry’s” garbage? Most commercial music = bland bullshit and the rest of your “entertainment” is as useful as tits on a nun. What I share has nothing to do with your precious MAFIAA – you stupid shill.
http://www.facebook.com/mwonch Michael Wonch

What all this has to do with Immigration, Customs, or Homeland Security, I have NO idea. Is it any wonder the world no longer trusts the USA? Hell, I don;t even trust ‘em, and it’s MY nation.

The government’s broke, and they’re doing this shit? WTF?
- Anonymous
  
  yeah, that pretty much covers how I feel about this nation and its govt.
  
  anything for a buck, and anything to help insure the rich make a buck!!!
Haxor

be awful funny if a seized ICE site got the site defaced with a ice cream splatter LOL
Haxor

be awful funny if a seized ICE site got the site defaced with a ice cream splatter LOL
John Doe

USA, Iran, China, North Korea: what’s the difference????
- Ugly American
  
  There’s one HUGE difference – those other countries still have manufacturing.
  
  We have an “industry” which “produces” absolutely nothing of any worth but somehow calls it “property.” Fvck you, Hollywood.
  - Scary Devil Monastery
    
    And short-sighted to boot. At the rate China is generating “Intellectual Property” it’ll take them ten years or so before they are in the same position in the IP sector which they are in when it comes to manufacturing.
    
    Which is why they cheerfully sign any and every global treaty imposing even more draconian restrictions on IP. The Chinese planned taking over the export market twentyfive years ago. The difference is the US never looks past the next fiscal quarter while the Chinese are used to planning half a century ahead. Guess where the winning strategy lies.
User

So.. several small sites I never used or heard of lost their domains… I have yet to see a site get hit I have ever used..
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http://profiles.google.com/pcrtechsc Timothy Holmes

Don’t want to list it, but I run a PC business. On our website I post program reviews, html tutorials, and PC help tips. One of the posts is about torrents. It listed information about the technology, place to receive information about torrents (TorrentFreak :) ), software for using torrents, and 6 torrent sites where torrents can be downloaded. There is no disclaimer on it either. Made the post as an information post for using torrents, cause I believe what’s the point of having a technology out there and people not use it or not even know about it. Could my site be seized because of this one post on my site?
- Whatever
  
  MAFIAA sales uber alles…
  
  In other words: Yes, always as any excuse counts. Any other business has to move aside for the MAFIAA business. ISPs, technology and you as a PC business too.
  
  And even worse you were giving information for free (tutorials and PC help tips). This is completely against the MAFIAA policy that ANYTHING must be paid for.
  
  Your business is lost (ok, maybe it takes a few years into the future)
- Roller
  
  Ignore the previous hyperbole comment.Your business is fine.
  - http://profiles.google.com/pcrtechsc Timothy Holmes
    
    K. Thank you.
- Whatever
  
  This Roller is another Jack the MAFIAA comment basically saying:
  “Nothing to see here, move along, it doesn’t concern you, we only after -insert group of people here- “.
  
  There is a poem about this (wonder who will claim payment on that one).
  
  While Jack/Roller/Neo claim “your business is fine”, there have been cases in the past where the MAFIAA already tried to stop computer magazines explaining how to use P2P “technology” (Examples in the Netherlands but already a longer time ago so harder to find, too many brein results in searches).
  
  And it will only get worse.
- Whatever
  
  This Roller is another Jack the MAFIAA comment basically saying:
  “Nothing to see here, move along, it doesn’t concern you, we only after -insert group of people here- “.
  
  There is a poem about this (wonder who will claim payment on that one).
  
  While Jack/Roller/Neo claim “your business is fine”, there have been cases in the past where the MAFIAA already tried to stop computer magazines explaining how to use P2P “technology” (Examples in the Netherlands but already a longer time ago so harder to find, too many brein results in searches).
  
  And it will only get worse.
  - http://profiles.google.com/pcrtechsc Timothy Holmes
    
    Definitely gonna get worse. With the way things are going with the internet these days can’t help but think WWIII is gonna end up being a cyberwar over “who controls whatever” with the internet. Hope I wrote that right, have been up hitting 34 hour mark. And as usual last bit is just a thought I had. Everyone may not agree and sorry if it offends anybody.
    - Anonymous
      
      Should also mention that I can’t remember the case but there was a recent one here in America where someone with a website like yours also gave basically a tutorial on how to use P2P technology (torrents). I don’t remember the exact details but they got into some serious trouble. The site wasn’t shut down but they were forced to remove the post and I do believe taken to court. The MPAA/RIAA (or one of those types of groups) was saying that the writer was promoting and endorsing copyright infringement and pretty much telling people how to steal and that it was okay and easy to do so. (At the end of the tutorial I think the writer had written something like “And as you can see using torrents isn’t as hard as most people think and downloading is perfectly okay as long as it’s something that is freely distributed.” Think her example was a Linux distribution.) I think some kind of settlement was reached and the person was ordered to remove the post and then apologize essentially to the MPAA/RIAA on their own website. Then make another post basically saying P2P tech is bad and she does not encourage it’s use in any way.
      
      If I were you, I’d put a Disclaimer at the very beginning and at the end of your tutorial. Just to play it safe. Roller/Jack Murdock/Don/a few other trolls aren’t exactly going to tell you what’s in your best interest. For all you know they may even report you to some kind of organization. I’m not saying that’s happened, I’m just saying given their stances and the way they troll incessantly it’s better to be safe than sorry. If you aren’t a major site that could make you an easy target. Just like that girl I mentioned.
    - Anon
      
      You mean the imaginary girl in your completely bs story?.
    - Anonymous
      
      No, it’s a real chick. I can’t remember her name though. I’d like to say she looked Asian-ish. That’s about all I can remember. And also, I’m pretty sure her guide was either about uTorrent or Limewire.
      
      Why don’t you just get bent though? You don’t like what I say because I’m sure you’re another Jack Murdock wannabe and thus anything that you don’t agree with is wrong. F*ck off.
    - Anon
      
      Hey no biggie I stand corrected, though it doesn’t seem anyone was sued, at least from what I read.
    - Anonymous
      
      @ Anon
      
      Okay, since you stand corrected I take back what I said negative about you. I should add though, my bad on the sued thing. I read that so long ago the details weren’t clear. Thought she’d been sued. That or I mixed up details about what happened to her with details from one of the countless other articles I’ve read online about something similar.
    - Anon
      
      You mean the imaginary girl in your completely bs story?.
- Whatever
  
  This Roller is another Jack the MAFIAA comment basically saying:
  “Nothing to see here, move along, it doesn’t concern you, we only after -insert group of people here- “.
  
  There is a poem about this (wonder who will claim payment on that one).
  
  While Jack/Roller/Neo claim “your business is fine”, there have been cases in the past where the MAFIAA already tried to stop computer magazines explaining how to use P2P “technology” (Examples in the Netherlands but already a longer time ago so harder to find, too many brein results in searches).
  
  And it will only get worse.
Whatever

I wonder why ICE still hasn’t taken TPB down ?

They must be really worried about tearing ICANN apart.

If the internet is divided into a US, Chinese and “rest of the world” internet, the US has the most to lose if their MAFIAA companies become unreachable.
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Barjammin

megavideo.com and veoh.com LOL those are shit hosts!! welcome to 2005!
- Roller
  
  Well that’s funny.
  
  youtube didn’t even have quality above 320×240 until 2008.
BitchsmackingDon

I vote to make Torrentfreak into a forum so it can be moderated to get rid of troll’s like Don. What an ass hat. He is obviously just replying to start shit. Dick smears like him love replying and never being able to provide proof of their stupid claims…much like the industry and their claims of losing jobs/ sales… etc.
- Anonymous
  
  I agree that he should be modded out when he is just trolling. I mean if he is engaging in constructive discussion i see no harm. We don’t censor like Hollywood. But when he is just being annoying i would rather see him kicked a few times until he can behave. TF plz consider taking on a few mods.
  - http://profiles.google.com/pcrtechsc Timothy Holmes
    
    Disqus has an option to where if certain words are detected the post has to wait to be approved automatically. Most people put cuss words for when people get in a shouting match. I’ve got mine set up that way for if customers kid or anybody gets on my site on the flash games section and downloading section. Imagine kid saying “Hey mom why would A tell B to eat _ _ _ _ and die?” LoL.
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Guest

It amaze me to see how much money the MAFIAA is spending on trolling and still can not even come close to overcome the internet blog with their propaganda.

Epic fail.
- Ugly American
  
  To be fair, it’s all of us against one shill: Reasoned Neo Don Roller Murdock.
  
  I suppose a pitiful excuse of a lawyer can’t do any better. It’s tragic… =’(
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The US Government: a wholly owned subsidiary and enforcement arm for the copyright cartels.
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Emily33

Could someone explain why Immigration and Customs Enforcement is involved? It’s a componet of the Homeland Security and was created after 9-11 as part of the government’s effort to prevent a future terrorist attack. I don’t understand how this relates to homeland security in any way? Obviously most people here feel the same way but it’s worth investigating further.
This seems like the type of case DOj would work alone or in cooperation with FTC or the FBI but oddly the government agencies that should be involved aren’t. You have to ask yourself why this is. Government agencies do have some autonomy and make decisions independent of each other, so perhaps they chose not to for legal or constitutional reasons.
It’s interesting, hopefully torrentfreak or another online news will investigate this. It’s just not enough to say that it’s wrong and point your finger at the government. You have to prove it and make a compelling case, once you do that then more people(the main stream) will listen. Just my 2 cents.
- Trespass
  
  “Could someone explain why Immigration and Customs Enforcement is involved? It’s a componet of the Homeland Security and was created after 9-11 as part of the government’s effort to prevent a future terrorist attack. ”
  
  Vice President Joe Biden made this incoherent speech about how file sharers are pirates and stealing…. Sounded much like Jack Murdoch except he went on to say that pirates were terrorists.
  
  Jack may want to steal that line…
  
  I”ll find the link and sent the speech…
  - Ugly American
    
    “Jack may want to steal that line…”
    
    Well, why should the hypocrite who “opposes piracy” stop there? It’s not like he doesn’t copypasta like a stoned Rasta – jah, mon! Real bomba! ©
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