UK ISPs to Become Piracy Cops
Written by Ernesto on January 16, 2009UK communications minister Lord Carter has drafted new regulations that will require ISPs to warn customers suspected of sharing copyrighted material, that they are acting illegally. Furthermore, ISPs will have to hand over details of repeated infringers to the entertainment industry and other rights holders.
These two measures are at the core of the government’s new anti-piracy plan for the Internet. According to a report from the Financial Times, Carter’s draft will further call for a new ‘Rights Agency’ to be overlooked by Ofcom, the independent regulator and competition authority for the UK communications industries. The agency will be financed by both ISPs and rights holders, and will assist in maintaining the new regulations.
If the new plans are passed, ISPs will effectively be forced to play copyright cops by spying on the download behavior of their customers. Moreover, copyright lawyers will be busy for the years to come, as thousands of people could potentially end up in court, even some who have never touched a P2P client.
Last year, the Department for Business, Education and Regulatory Reform (BERR) asked copyright holders, ISPs and the public to give suggestions how to handle online piracy. The results of the consultation, published yesterday, were polarized. The ISPs and the public indicated that they were fine with how things are now, but the copyright holders disagreed.
Most copyright holders, including the music and movie industry representatives, have called for regulation that would require ISPs to monitor their networks and filter out copyrighted traffic. According to the details currently available, a filter is not mandatory in the most recent plans, but monitoring is.
The proposal is clearly another step in the wrong direction. There are several privacy concerns that will be raised when the plans go into effect. And as we’ve reported before, tracking down copyright infringers is not an exact science, and the current techniques lead to an unacceptable number of false accusations.
Recently, the BBC consumer show Watchdog revealed how easily innocent people can be accused of piracy, sometimes with disastrous financial consequences. The new regulation seems to be a compromise between the opposing viewpoints of ISPs and copyright holders, with only one major loser – the people.
Previously: IFPI vs ISP: Piracy Means Less Sex and Drugs for Rock Stars
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118 Responses
And we take one step closer to 1984
In times like these when things are bad and only getting worse, it is time for all of us to take action. Each of us alone, with our limited resources, are unable to be as effective than all of us combined, for it is through the exchange of ideas and the pooling of resources that things get accomplished.
THEREFORE:
I propose that we all take the simplest action in this direction, and that is:
THAT WE SHALL
form an informal online discussion group for the exchange of ideas and the pooling of resources (money, "power," "voice," &c.).
THE ADVANTAGES OF THIS
are that it is easy to carry out, easy for anybody to participate in, and is important for getting anything done. The pooling of money can go a long way, since bigger things could be done, and the pooling of "voice" and "power" too can go a long way in a similar fashion. The exchange of ideas, too, is also vital in order for any ideas to be put across and settled upon.
I know not what kind of online discussion group is appropriate for this, but I think that a simple online forum could do the job.
Roze
@Matt – you weren’t sounding too bad until you mentioned David Icke, then you just shot your foot off.
It’s going to be interesting trying to prove you don’t do something. And there was me with the impression that we were innocent until PROVEN guilty.
Guy Fawkes must be turning in his grave…
Cool. I'll be sure to leave BT on for longer than usual in celebration of the news (an action I encourage everyone to take whenever they see news like this).
Got a cousin in the UK..
to quote his exact words:
"This place is getting ever more fu*ked day by day"
Don't really have anything more that I could add to that, I think that one sentence says it all.
http://www.eZee.se
I havn't had mine off in years…
I think it is time for people in the U.K. to raise money together, run advertising campaigns against this, and to organize protests.
Running BitTorrent and file-sharing online will be sure to be ineffective. The reason for this is that nobody is there to see the BitTorrent. It happens invisibly online. We need people to see the file-sharing. A much more effective protest is to file-share on the streets.
Resistance is not only defiance, but also encouraging others to do the same, sending a message to the public.
Roze
Yey for obscure non-Ofcom ISP's!
Can we get some protests against this please?????
lol +1
Plus one for the UK
The new rank of countries who screw over there own people!
1. UK *Shockingly*
2. US *Shockingly*
When I read this it made my blood boil! Uk ISPs being forced to be police on filesharing = Spying on you internet connection = Invasion of Privacy = Illegall!
Its about time people in the UK stood up and take action just like piratebay in Sweden!
yay for wireless insecurities!!! And somehow i don't think that this will pass as a law and if it does, i shall say it again… Wireless insecurities are the best… just because something is illegal doesnt mean you can stop people doing it… it just may encourage them to go and look at other illegal methods to start download while keepin themselves annoymous… and Jimmy there are laws in place that already do Invasion of Privacy that are designed for terrorists and used inappropreately (RIP Act)…
God the UK sucks for pirates… and as i said would going on the streets and handing out games, movies, images, to people for free in protest be illegal weather or not they are copyrighted?
Ive got a question, say your using the simple encryption header option in most clients now.. obviously they can inspect that further.. but say you have a VPN box like a pix 501 or something that uses a VPN tunnel, could you perhaps use it as a defense saying THATS MY ENCRYPTED TRAFFIC thats why my bandwidth is so high cause I use that to tunnel into work..
And people will use steganography to share materials
http://stegoshare.sf.net
i dont think handing out CD's will accomplish much other than getting arrested,
tbh a silly comment roze no offence, we need some organisation and a proper protest, sweeden are lucky they have TPB to help arrange things, in the UK everyone keeps to themselves to themselves which is why shit like this can happen, we'er too busy earning money to pay our high taxes etc, i would go to a protest in support, but no one will arrange one so fuck it, i'll stick to my server and stick to ssl transfers, though i am tempted to go out war driving and downloading shitloads off other peoples networks just to dick with the "internet police"
http://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/
http://www.openrightsgroup.org/
But a UK Pirate party needs to be in affect
a sad day for freetards everywhere…
Indeed, I run mine 24/7, and fold@home on both my PS3 and my computer as well.
Whoa!! Best of luck to them
They really have a tough job.
http://stuckinframes.blogspot.com
I grew up in a private catholic school. It was very English. I went off to college and then joined the police force. I loved my country very much. I am half black and half white and i have married a Chinese woman. i am 25 years old and until 5 years ago would have picked up a rifle and defended my country at a moments notice….what has changed?
What changed was 2 key things…5 years ago i got my first laptop (i know i know…i shared a pc at home) and my first flat. I then got on-line and became more informed in 6 months then anyone i knew. Why? Because the internet answered my quest for knowledge. The entire combined knowledge of the entire human race at the click of a finger.
So what i found was the England was single handedly responsible for almost every major attrocitcy the world has ever seen….i kid you not…do the research. This country is the most greedy destructive and evil place the world has seen…forget the US front man…its all backed by the City of London traders. The problem with it all is that for it all to work…the illusion of voting system, the illusion of governemt control (royal family?) and the justification of outrageous taxes the people MUST be kept in their place.
The biggest thing that scares them is revolution…but that has always been known. This is why the British people are the most conformist, shallow, "law abiding" slaves in the global system. we have so many laws here that NOBODY understands or can even begin to challenge it. They do not want people to have any possible way to obtain anything for free. everything must be paid for, recorded and taxed! simple. There is no deviation from this.
If you are unfortunate enough to be British then my advice is watch V for vendetta (very inspiring-fiction), NEVER vote or register to do so, expect that EVERYTHING (SERIOUSLY EVERYTHING) you do will be monitored… analysed…and filed and above all NEVER expect anything to work in favour of the people…we are fuled by Nazi bankers and will be until something/someone rattles the house of cards we call reality!
google: david icke, zeitgeist, money masters as starter material!
I think my name fits perfectly to your bullcr*p
Matt, you seem to live in a pretty horrible world. I feel sorry for you :-(
My version of the uk is rather ok to live in. I have been happy here for the last 3 years.
Must say this had me laughing and i'm a uk filesharer
the entire country is up in arms over the credit crunch millions daily
losing their jobs and can't even afford to eat or keep payments up on houses.
and then some fool in the government (same government that looses every
single person's personal details who's giving away millions and billions of pounds
to over seas's country's whos throwing money left and right at banks and industry
to try and get things moving again is now .. laughing as i type this….
is now going to put the 99.9% of the UK ISP's in a shock of sheer meltdown.
i mean what else is high speed high priced broadband used for ??? Downloading
ISP's now going to lose customers lol now we'll see all the ISP's going bust soon.
then we'll see the millions of un-happy ex internet users finishing the job of guy fawkes.
hitting 1 or 2 people with fines and loss of jobs is one thing, arresting a few people is another, when you actually stop people doing what they've become accustomed too for the past 20 years is the day the very day the BIG BANG happens.
Welcome to the end of the UK it's going to be utter chaos it's going to be the year to remember, people will become so angry they will sort this asshole out no doubt
and anyone else who stands in their way…
imagine having no internet these millions of downloaders (all of us) being restricted from doing what were paying out the arse for,
Mark my words there is and will be so much chaos and trouble over this.
Government are going to be hit big time… Ex broadband users in millions will
finally do something about this… since it's in the millions.
but then again thinking about it … it is the UK lol what ever goes right here?
when do they actually ever get it right and make a plan that actually works or
comes into full force?
3 strikes anyone? lol…. past experience tells me 2 things.
1. business as usual tomorrow or 2. A massive country Revolt over this.
Ok,so can anyone recommend any UK "obscure non-Ofcom ISP's" that we can all move to?
I'm assuming that if/when the big ISPs start getting heavy that there will be a gap in the market for the more discreet providers..(That CERTAINLY rules out BT,Carphone warehouse,Sky,O2,and the truly awful Virgin!)..Ideas Anyone??
Im not going to play talkback tennis with you…i hope the UK offers you everything you wanted when you came here.
OMG your educated and handsome too!
be?
Maybe Be..I'm sure i read somewhere else that Be is a good UK ISP..Anyone got any experience of them?
Perhaps, then, a simple internet group can form, to discuss ways to resist things like this.
You joined the police force after going to a private school. Sounds like you have a thirst for discrimination amongst shitty film adapatations.
Be and O2 are the same thing. If you're an O2 mobile customer get their broadband otherwise buy it from Be
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/good source as well.
at the end of the day though if we wasnt all downloading everything for free then most these laws wouldnt be happening, this is why iv never had much nice to say about tpb and such public sites that make so much drama and what not, you all talk like there heros when all there doing is making things worse for us because at the end its us that will loose whether you care to admit it or not, every noob and his mother is now file shareing lol im not saying its right for us to be spyed on etc just that we have kind of brought it upon ourselfs, if people cant understand that then your fucking dumb imo …. again im not saying the goverments are going about defeating it correctly but there just trying to protect the media industry do you really expect them just to sit back and do nothing untill the whole world is getting every kind of media for free? , and im not a mpaa worker etc im a 80gb a month downloader that understands why this is happening and can see both sides of the issue
yep thats what we need i think roze an organisation, give some of the power back to the people, but who and how? is there a pirate party in the uk?
did anyone notice the name of commenter #37 beneath the story? http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile/?userid=137334...
and you live in the US right?
oops the watchdog one, http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/watchdog/2008/12/daven...
zeitgeist is about the US monetary system lol
Roze, youve hit gold. All there needs to be is a simple online based group that will fight these outragous laws everywhere. If theres one for each country, we'll be deviding ourselves up, and weakening ourselves. There needs to be a single, yet very powerful group that we can all belong in. We know theres alot of us, hell TPB hit 25 million peers, that means we have at very least that amount. Add in all the private trackers and such, youve got one hell of a lot of people.
It should be powered by phpBB if you ask me, simply because its open source and its the most powerful open source software of its kind. Im sure theres a few ways to not keep IP's logged for more than say 48 hours, mostly for banning and attacks if they occur.
Im no expert in the field of forums and such, although I have ran quite a few, being the r00t admin of all, installing the MODs and everything myself. Im currently skinning one as well…
Anyway Roze, if you really want to go for this idea, shoot me an email at admin [at] bluehumor.org or add me on msn at msn [st] bluehumor.org
Im sure we can come up with something.
what are you a net blog detective lol… could well be mr ellis,
When the country is in sheer crysis whats the best way to calm the nation..
start working on new ways to destroy our internet and entertainments…
has anyone actually looked in the mirror and ask yourself the main reason
you or the joe next door actually pays a shitload of money for fast broadband?
if not to use it to "download" being legal content is very hard and far few between to find
and years ago no legal services at all existed before itunes etc… but broadband was here.
Every man and his dog has broadband connections for one reason and 1 only reason that is to download content from the web, so why is people not flaming over this as it is very much going to effect all of you if these plans ever come into force.
granted this whole credit crunch was caused over 2 things.
price of gas, and pubs to stop people smoking…
imagine what it's going to do to the nation when everyone officially hears about this!
waiting for the fireworks now.. you think the credit crunch is hitting hard now…
just watch and wait for this to kick off, then watch how the goverement comes under fire!
from millions of us, …
Why have a political party? When one joins a political party, one must forsake the previous political party, a move that most would not want to take.
Therefore, an informal group is much better. One that is easier to join is much better. We are scattered all over the world, so an informal online internet discussion group for the exchange of ideas is the best.
Who? Someone who can buy a domain name, and set up a simple online forum.
How? This person, after buying a domain name, setting up this forum, and then we can go there and exchange ideas on how we can best take action.
It is all very easy, which is why it is best.
The exchange of ideas is the basic thing required in order to get anything moving.
worse, hes in Sweden ;(
…and yet again we bend over backwards an say its okay for you to bugger me.
Don't know how many times big brother has been mentioned, what we need to do is do what the truckers done in 2000. If you can effectively bring the country to a halt, the government would have to listen, it worked nine years ago. Why do u think we work long hours? So we've no time to effectively do anything wrong with this country. This is prob bordering anarchy, but best way to put your message across and get it listened to would be completely block off London, everything. Hack the gov, blockade the roads, shut the electricity grid. One great big firesale. THEN the gov would listen.
They say we are a democracy, but we ain't, swappin one bad party for another. At least where I live we have the SNP, someone to stir it up. But the gov is meant to serve the people, but they hire their family for triple the normal salary, second homes they keep when they retire, I'm forking out for new kitchens for there homes an I can't afford to buy ONE never mind them having one for free!
If someone could get the ball rolling, count me in. Drop me a mail, hopefully something will actually be done instead of talking bout it. Anyone thinking May day riots???
http://www.eZee.se= Swedish domain, notice the .se
Land of thepiratebay and extremly pretty blonde girls!
Yes, I am in Sweden and a Swedish citizen, proud to be here but ashamed of my government just like a lot of New Zealanders, Brits, French, Australians,Americans etc are of theirs. Our chief sellout is Beatrice Ask, but we have others sellouts as well who bend over the desk, ass in the air for big content.
It's is getting bad here, bat thankfully not as bad as a lot of other places.
http://www.eZee.se = Swedish domain, notice the .se
Land of thepiratebay, the original pirate party and extremely pretty blonde girls!
Yes, I am in Sweden and a Swedish citizen, proud to be here but ashamed of my government just like a lot of New Zealanders, Brits, French, Australians,Americans etc are of theirs. Our chief sellout is Beatrice Ask, but we have others sellouts as well who bend over the desk, ass in the air for big content.
It's is getting bad here, bat thankfully not as bad as a lot of other places.
To be honest guys/gals, there is no-where to run for us UK internet users – to any ISP.
There are two providers in the UK, just TWO.
BT & Virginmedia.
BT provides the provisioning, lines and rack space inside of their telephone exchanges for all the common ADSL based providers (O2, Orange, TalkTalk, AOL, etc), so even the little runt ISP’s are dependent on BT for their entire network infrastructure. BT will probably have disclosed their client base to the government/OfCom as part of this due process.
Which leaves you with Virginmedia, Virginmedia have their own separate infrastructure, but limited to certain geographical locations. Virginmedia also do not syndicate or franchise any of their network capacity to third party providers.
We’re monopolised in this country by two providers, All ADSL providers are effectively BT, you just pay different assholes for the shittiness of your lack of service, while these companies exploit places like India for cheap support labour.
Your only escape is Satelite internet provided by international providers, but with this you will suffer poor latency, data retention restrictions, and very high bills for terrible speeds, atmospherics will affect your uplink to the satellites (ie, rain/wind).
This nasty form of uncontrolled socialism we’re falling into needs to stop, I do fear we are past the point of no return though, Also the hypocrisy of the quality of services provided by ISP’s here in the UK is a joke, You tell me you are giving me an 8mbps connection – I want access to that 8mbps connection at all times – not filtered, not restricted, not impeded, or otherwise yanked about.
It is true we Brits are very adept at following like blind sheep. This law will get passed, they will tell us it’s for our safety and security from some blind/hyped threat, much like Al Qaeda & all the other stuff we’re lied to about on a daily basis. But we will be better for it…
…Right? ;)
…. and there goes the island ….
This is seriously cool. Thank you so much for the link!
there's a word that always springs to mind when thinking about this fine country I live in:
BOHICA!
Bend Over Here It Comes Again!
for some reason that's unknown to me we just sit in a corner and be quiet. i'm one of em. brainwashed i think :-(
We is all DOOMED……
OH God………WE IS ALL …..DOOOOOOOMED…..
Check downloads of 'The Anarchists Cookbook'….They will be sure to be rising….lol
So how do they work out what my encrypted communications consist of again? ;-)
Data Protection Act, lol. Personal information can't be handed over by ISPs for civil matters.
"We" did not bring it upon "our"selves. It is the government and the industry which have brought upon this.
there just trying to protect the media industry do you really expect them just to sit back and do nothing untill the whole world is getting every kind of media for free?
You mean "continue the immoral acts of the media industry scum" and sacrificing liberty.
and im not a mpaa worker etc im a 80gb a month downloader
Yeah, sure you are not…
What a pathetic joke! Very sad indeed.
http://www.anonweb.pro.tc
omg, use proxies at least
john
http://unblockprox.com
Lol nice to see how well he looked stuff up eh
Too right, there was UK pirate party but I think the head guy disappeared a few years back (think it was due to family commitments, he just didn't have the free time to run the party)
We should revive it
OH FUCK!! OH SHIT!! OH FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! i download 10 gb min evryday! OH FUCK!! GUYS DO SOMETHING FOR THE SAKE OF FREE DOWNLOADING :(
People say we brought this upon ourselves,in a way yes, we actually have,cos we sit back and do nothing when threatened. Like I said in my earlier post though,if the majority of a country go against it then there's no way they can press ahead of it.In re: to data protection, the way they'll get round it is by saying its relevant to protect people employed in the media. To hell with them! They give free downloads when tryn to get noticed, yet when they make it big want money for the same material,fraid it won't work one way.Best way round it, if no one will stand up against this,is encryption. They can monitor wat ur downloadn, but encrypt your download, they can't tell wat it is, no system any uk isp has can do that, virgin admitted it themselves on bbc website a good few months ago
looks interesting. Thanks!
i think all the pirates should give themselves a big round of applause for the further degradation of privacy laws.
you earned it!
intense debate account or gtfo! :)
You don't need to buy a domain name just yet, there are plenty of places that will give a one for free (it might be a bit long though)
Just google it
I haven't seen all of Money Masters yet (although it does seem very good) but from the very beginning the presenter seemed like he was severely biased
Take that bias into account and perhaps take a look at some alternative viewpoints, most likely there truth lies somewhere between the extremes
I'm not saying that you're wrong, it just seems that your viewpoint seems extremely onesided and the truth tends to be complicated
Take it easy
Be are great, been with a bunch of UK iSPs and they're the cheapest, fastest and most reliable ISP I've had
Got the unlimited package in two locations
Location 1) 6.4 Mbit/s Down 1 Mbit/s Up
Location 2) 2.8 Mbit/s Down 0.8 Mbit/s Up
Be are great, been with a bunch of UK iSPs and they're the cheapest, fastest and most reliable ISP I've had
Got the unlimited package in two locations, here are the actual speeds
Location 1) 6.4 Mbit/s Down 1 Mbit/s Up
Location 2) 2.8 Mbit/s Down 0.8 Mbit/s Up
Did those rolling roadblocks actually achieve anything other than annoying other drives on the motorway?
I was stuck behind one for 5 hours as three of them drove at 5mph and as soon as the police turned up they sped up like cowards
They sure as hell didn't win my support or any of the other 100 people who were stuck behind them
Protesting's fine, just make sure you annoy the right people and not just innocent bystanders
if the UK does pass legislation like that, here is what you do. I'm not an expert but you hackers know how to do this. You use your Wi-Fi spots to spoof your IP address and change it to someone else's or just hop on someone else's Wi-Fi, if enough people do this, there will be a massive uprising against this legislation because once innocent people get angry about it, the whole thing will collapse. Our problem right now is that those who don't use P2P point their fingers and say, "GO GET 'EM", just like the Nazis did with the jews. As long as it wasn't them, they had no problem with it. Once reality hits home for those who don't use P2P that they could be brought up on charges, there attitudes about internet freedom will change REAL FUCKING QUICK.
for those who think we brought it on ourselves, if you want to pay for everything you do, get ready to pay for breathing air because it's coming. Some things in life should be free. I believe the world is already way more oppressive than it should be. Water should be free but it isn't. Food should be free but it isn't. Why should the very things that we need to live be free? What kind of fucked up society is this anyway? Maybe we can make some trade-offs. If the corporations will grant us free water and free food, we'll agree to pay for all our entertainment items like CD, movies, etc etc but until that day, fuck them. Why have we put up with this for so long anyway?
"Our problem right now is that those who don't use P2P point their fingers and say, "GO GET 'EM", just like the Nazis did with the jews."
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lol
Cos people don't do anything about their situation as long as it's relatively comfortable
It's only when things get so bad that people can't bear them that they do anything about it
We haven't hit rock bottom yet, but I agree, this isn't a true democracy, at the moment it's a relaxed tyranny
Don't, some of the instructions in there aren't safe and will get you killed
There's probably something better out there anyway
So: forums can be had for the princely sum of zero cost, their setup requires a small amount of work – when are you going to do this?
I'm not quite sure what your asking there.
If you use VPN tunneling service then your ISP has no idea of what your are passing through their network so they cannot prosecute. Same goes for Usenet providers if you choose to use SSL encryption: your ISP only sees encrypted traffic and cannot identify the contents.
Yes, it is interesting however it has two severe drawbacks as far as I can see:
1. Hardly anyone is using it – but this can change of course.
2 . Files that contains the content you want are 60% larger than the content meaning waiting times and extra bandwidth used.
Better off paying for VPN if you use Bittorrent IMHO.
Ok, everyones entitled to their own opinion: mine is that I'm sick of gullible morons going around saying "don't believe everything you read" and then claiming that films (it is a film, not a documentary although it claims to be one) like Zeitgeist are the source of some amazing new infomation that, surprise surprise, only one person has managed to figure out.
Zeitgeist provides almost no citations of claimed facts at all, it's full of half-truths cherry-picked to suit the creators fantasies and outright lies and made up crap.
There's many places that provide rebuttals, heres one that provides sources for every single rebuttal and basically goes through the film point-by-point:
http://www.conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgei...
Of course the hardcore conspiracy nuts will completely avoid facts to suit their paranoid view of the world and will simply write off people saying they've been had as "government puppets" and part of the "evil system" that is hellbent on holding them down. Despite the fact that they claim to be "open minded" and "curious" many people swallow this crap and of course don't bother to do their own research of independent sources.
I laugh that this Matt person has spent 6 months online and is now "the most well informed person he knows" – that statement right there should give people a clue. Here is a person that believes he is very intelligent and therefore I suspect believes he cannot be wrong – he's probably of average to above average intelligence but because "being wrong" would be an affront to his self-image he cannot be to the outside world.
"Our problem right now is that those who don't use P2P point their fingers and say, "GO GET 'EM", just like the Nazis did with the jews."
OK… I'll bite. The Nazi's were intent on exterminating (killing) the entire Jewish population.
And actually I believe your wrong about the non-P2P portion of the population – I thionk these people are actually fairly ambivalent about it and would not wish people to be "got" as you put it.
The reaction is a bit over the top but the principle is the same
What a lot of people are angry about is the fact that big businesses seem to be pulling the strings of the government and we've got to a situation now where individuals feel powerless against them
Think about it, some of the richest and most powerful entities on the planet are businesses, their only real motivation is profit
They're not elected, they don't answer to anyone except their shareholders and yet they can influence decisions that affect an entire country
The opinion of the public is ignored in favour of keeping these businesses happy
Does that seem very democratic to you?
telefonica own o2, who bought Be,.when i signed up for o2 3 months ago, neither o2 or be had signed up to the verbal agreement with the uk gov.Can anyone give any good advice or direction on the best way to keep on d/l safely.tia.
You know something?
Stop paying yours taxes
Stop renting, buying and going to the theaters to watch movies/TV shows
The Government will finally listen to us, and all these corporate morons will too, they government was made in order to help the people, but now they are controlling their people,
If you really want to put them in their place, that's what has to be done, unfortunatelynobody will do so.
PS: I'm Canadian :)
Lots of typos, but it's common sense people.
You feed them, STOP feeding them.
Simple logic.
I’m interested in joining in with a group to share ideas and work out what can be done, in regards to your posts Ghost and Roze. Is there anyway for all those interested to keep in contact and try to get something going? Hopefully this comment will get spotted from all the way down here.
you could always get your news from fox and bbc….and zeitgeaist is about the money system in general….which dominitated by ENGLAND!
Wow im with virgin….download about 300gigs a month minimum….never had an issue….got throttled in the evening for 2 hours a coupl of times….if you have the option for virgin be happy because alot of people dont….and ill soon have 50meg (although im sure there is a catch).
The BIG problem with virgin is that they will be intending to block bittorrent in the furute…but who knows if they will take such risky steps with the economy fucked now
I guess the forum itself is not really a problem, since anybody could set one up. True, it would definitely not be enough, but it is at least a start towards anything at all. It seems like somebody right now is starting such a forum right now. Of course, you do definitely know my e-mail address, so perhaps we could speak of this forum through e-mail.
Any action taken against these people yet? Protests? Anyone?
Well, I think that the first step is for each person to get in touch with each other to exchange ideas. My e-mail address is aworldwithoutsnowflakes1@gmail.com and perhaps we could speak to each other on ideas on what could be done.
Well, I think that the first step for any concerted effort to be done is for each person to get in touch with each other to exchange ideas. My e-mail address is aworldwithoutsnowflakes1@gmail.com and perhaps we could speak to each other on ideas on what could be done.
Well, perhaps we could speak to each other to exchange ideas on what could be done. My e-mail address is aworldwithoutsnowflakes1@gmail.com.
"We"
I think that what is more important is for people simply to get in contact with each other and exchange ideas. Without exchanging ideas, no idea shall ever be put across. My e-mail address is aworldwithoutsnowflakes1@gmail.com and perhaps we could get in contact to exchange ideas on what could be done.
We dont mind setting up a forum for this, even customizing it for whatever needs… just dont think its enough.
But if you guys really want it and Roze is too buzy or does not want to it on his/her site.. drop me a line..
Cheers!
If you guys are serious I dont mind putting up a private or public forum on eZee.se just for these discussions..
Lord Carter just became the most hated man in england. We need to send a message to these copyright placaters. Cooperation has consequences, and his will be his life; watch your back Lord Carter.
Indeed. One of the most important things is for citizens to work together. How can we ever expect anything to be done alone? Perhaps there ought to be a non-governmental organization that we can all donate money to, so that there can be concerted effort. We need to for a Union of Citizens against Copyright Holder Supremacists – or something like that.
Not all of them
Big businesses quite often don't operate within the law of the land
They do whatever they can get away with
Sometimes they get caught breaking the law and we find out about it
e.g. Arthur Anderson, Enron, Microsoft
Also, if the law of the land becomes too restrictive, they can relocate their HQ to another country where less stringent laws apply whilst still keeping the offices and employees they have in their original country (as a lot of US businesses did recently when the Sarbanes-Oxley Act came into effect in 2002)
No offence but I don't want to get into a debate about this, read No Logo by Naomi Klein if you're interested in learning more
Well for a start it's an exaggeratpon to say that businesses answer to no one barring shareholder: all businesses operate within the law of the land.
As usual a very tiny handful of rich business men in expensive suits are allowed by the government to dictate what vast millions of taxpaying countrymen can and cannot do in the privacy of their own homes. Are we really surprised by news like this anymore? In a sane world this would be called aiding and abetting.
I wonder how long it will be before absolutely everything we say and do is recorded somewhere, 24 hours a day. Just look at how there is already a camera on nearly every corner, put there under the guise of improving safety. Once again I am reminded of the movie Vendetta.
I'm in. I can build/install a forum and/or forum theme for you.
post a reply if you want my details (i'm political web dev ;) )
When is all this monitering surpposed to start happening, or has it always been so
You forgot Dutch. It may not reach the new very often, but shit just like this is happening here. Not just on filesharing front, but for instance the new OV-chip (chip card for traveling on the public transport). It's hackable by 12 year olds and foreigners can't use it for shit.. Useless.
The company simply says: "no it's safe and quite user-friendly" and like that the whole thing just goes right on without any real inquiries or improvements.
Sorry, didnt mean to exclude Dutch, but there are too many countries who have corrupt politicians to list all of them (although we list most of them at http://www.eZee.se)… so when I wrote:
"New Zealanders, Brits, French, Australians,Americans etc"
I guess the Dutch fall into the "etc" :)
No offense meant by not mentioning you guys ;)
Cheers!
http://www.eZee.se
i take it no one knows when this monitering starts! JOHN
WHAT ACTION HAVE YOU TOOK IF ANY
What a stupid thing to say, it is not going to help making comments like that
Does anyone no the answer to John's question [above]
I think this is the correct way to go about things
Were would you/we protest
Well Canada has its problems now do they not
To Sid & John The short answer is there has always been somr sort of monitering else how do they no when to throttle you bandwith when downloading Torrens
I understand that the copyright on copyrighted material lasts for 30 to 40 years, but when a music CD/album is released only a set amount of copies are put into circulation ( called a run ). When these CD's are all sold out you cannot obtain the particular one you want . So I cannot understand why all the shouting about downloading out of date music if it cannot be obtained (In the copyrighters terms) LEGITIMATELY.
If any payment on a downloaded out of date music CD/album is due surely it should be only the portion alloted for copyright.
No, not like that, We have copyright policies but they don't go to the extent of breaching privacy and net neutrality for movie companies.
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But they are going to throttle your bandwidth aren't they
Although it seems like not many people are really that eager to contact each other.
The way I see it: enjoy the freedom of piracy for as long as it lasts and use some common sense.
England is a hell of a nicer place to live in than some countries of the world and its history is just as controversial as any other nation's, with one difference: we got Shakespeare – reason enough to be proud of England, I feel! (A very subjective idea I realise).
It would be nice if there was somewhere we could talk about piracy…
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