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Usenet Portal Loses Landmark Court Case Against BREIN

FTD, one of the largest Usenet communities on the Internet, has lost the legal proceedings it started against Dutch anti-piracy outfit BREIN. The case, through which FTD hoped to have its operations declared legal, today resulted in a verdict which prohibits community members from talking about ‘locations’ where copyright infringing material can be downloaded.

Founded in 2001, FTD is The Netherlands’ largest Usenet community with around 500,000 members. FTD and its associated software allows its members to ‘spot’ the location of material they find on Usenet, which could include the locations of copyrighted movies, music and TV shows.

Two years ago, FTD turned the tables on Dutch anti-piracy BREIN by taking the outfit to court. FTD asked the court to declare that it operates within the boundaries of Dutch law, and further requested BREIN to retract an earlier statement that the Usenet portal operated illegally. Today the court announced its verdict, a negative one for the popular Usenet portal.

Although FTD doesn’t host or even link to any copyrighted material, the Haarlem Court ruled that the portal does provide a promotional venue for uploaders of infringing material, as they can post a description of the locations (so called spots) where these files can be downloaded.

In the verdict the court further confirmed that FTD itself isn’t breaking any copyrights, that FTD users aren’t necessarily breaking any laws either and that spotting itself is not illegal. However, the fact that uploaders of unauthorized content can ‘spot’ files is enough to deem the whole system to be illegal.

“FTD ‘contributed’ to the uploading of materials to Usenet by giving [uploaders] a platform to announce their evil deed. While only 13 of the 500,000 FTD users were identified as uploaders, the court said that that was enough. FTD is facilitating and stimulating the illegal uploading (posting) of material to Usenet and therefore committing a tort,” FTD’s legal counsel Arnoud Engelfriet informed TorrentFreak.

FTD was ordered to remove so-called spots of copyrighted files within a month. In the event that FTD fails to comply with this order they will have to pay BREIN 15,000 euros per day up to a maximum of 300,000 euros ($410,000).

BREIN welcomed the decision of the Haarlem Court, which also states that the anti-piracy outfit doesn’t have to retract an earlier statement in the Dutch press where it labeled FTD as a criminal organization.

“The principle that you are not allowed to structurally make use of illegal files with your website or service applies not only to Internet but also to Usenet,” said BREIN director Tim Kuik in a comment. “BREIN will also hold liable any other websites and services that do the same regardless of the technical protocol they use for their illegal business model.”

Today’s verdict follows an earlier court decision against the Usenet portal. November last year FTD was found guilty of promoting the illegal uploading of a Dutch movie in a separate case. Whether FTD will appeal, and what the verdict means for the continuation of FTD (and possibly all file-sharing portals) will become clear in the near future.

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  • Yakeen

    the corporations have won.

    • Momo

      What stops a massive mob of angry people from burning BREIN’s offices down is that those people haven’t completely lost their faith in the legal system. Yet.

      • Anonymous

        Oh… We haven’t?

        *puts gas can & matches behind back*

        • Someguy

          Oh shut up.

          I hate people who just sit behind a computer in their mom’s basement and do nothing.

        • http://twitter.com/BitsOfSkin The Crimson Ghost

          Someone get me a wizzard, we need a silence spell for this troll…

        • http://twitter.com/BitsOfSkin The Crimson Ghost

          Someone get me a wizzard, we need a silence spell for this troll…

      • Bitchass

        Stfu.. pussy. You’re not going to do shit.

        • Momo

          Take that bong out of your ass and look around you. Have people ever been more disillusioned with the institution of copyright than now? Would you not agree that right now we are still ^b^tolerating^/b^ the barbarous attacks on the internet, but are really starting to get fed up?

      • http://incometaxcalculatorblog.com/ income tax calculator

        good point

    • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

      Is it really that hard to pay for things?

      • Ryzzo

        It’s not hard to pay for things at all, but how would I know it’s worth paying for if I haven’t tried it?

        • Sebastian

          In the Netherlands you can walk into any music store and almost always have the option to listen to the album in the store. You can skip through each song or even stand there and listen to the entire CD. So essentially, you *can* try it before you buy it.

          Of course, that doesn’t go for albums which are simply _not_ available in record stores. So while I will agree that uploading copyrighted material is illegal, some of it simply can’t be attained otherwise. Maybe they should change that in the law, where copyrighted material can only be copyrighted if it is made available to the public in a format of the customer’s choosing. If you don’t do that, you should lose the right to copyright the work.

      • Eloh

        Well, I have no job, I’m almost broke… so yeah.

      • spel

        Jack off Murdock

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=537120430 David Boulton

        Yes, it is. Downloading is more convenient, and better quality. The world needs to invent a new payment system for making instant payments without the need for a credit card. A kind of online Eftpos. It needs to be extremely easy; a one step process. Security be the only concern of course.

        More importantly though, prices need to come down right across the board. Will NEVER buy a $30 DVD. I’m only gonna watch it once. The cinema is cheaper (and I go there, if I’m excited enough).

      • JameShpond

        “Is it really that hard to pay for things?”

        Actually in many cases, yes it is. If you’ve ever tried to buy any music or video that hasn’t yet been ‘officially licensed’ for your domain, but is widely available in others then it is nigh on impossible to pay for it.

        Many times I’ve tried to buy an album on the UK iTunes store that’s only available from the US store to no avail and had to resort to buying a physical copy from another site such as Amazon with the associated high international shipping costs, just so that I can rip it to mp3s and have it play back on my now ubiquitous portable playback device. This is a ridiculous situation – the MAFIAA want global laws such as ACTA to protect their interests from copyright infringement, yet they fail to enact global licensing terms to their products thus leaving no option for many other than to download unlicensed copies.

        If they simply stopped suing all-and-sundry for piracy and spent all that time and money on making available their content through worldwide official channels in formats that are contemporary and relevant, then they’d find that piracy (and even counterfeiting to some extent) would probably be less of an issue and their profits would be even higher.

        As it is, they’ve wasted so many years trying to hold back the tide like a cartel of Canutes and had an effect that’s the opposite of what they set out to achieve. Instead of stemming the flow, they’ve actually entrenched people against them and through their few high-profile cases they’ve turned people on to the wide availability of this unlicensed material and the ease of which they can obtain it. Great business model guys!

  • http://twitter.com/MicCk Mick B

    Alternatives for the dutch people:

    google ‘SpotNet’ en ‘FTN’

    • Rutix

      SpotNet uses the same db as FTD so that one will disappear too

      • Anonymous

        I’m so sick of the people who say, than use this other service. And i don’t care if they take a torrent site down because i use something else. The fight is now and the fight is for everything. If all other services get taken down, your service will fall in the same category and will be taken down also.

    • Rutix

      SpotNet uses the same db as FTD so that one will disappear too

  • Anon

    What a joke. Oh well, as long as the people have some rights, they won’t feel ****ed by their government. Which is good if you don’t mind all you rights in the hands of corporations. But hey you have nothing to worry about if your not doing anything illegal. Be careful to overt your eyes and cover your ears as you might illegal consume some electronic media.

  • Ahem

    Usenet was around long before the internet was and way before most of those clowns at BREIN were even born – 1980 to be exact. This changes nothing, there’s still hundreds more binary-friendly servers out there; hell, the ISP’s here in the USA used to carry their own weight in the binary groups, until some guy from New York wanted to buy votes so he pointed the finger at usenet as being the cause of every problem the internet has..Didn’t shut it down, but it wasnt about that to him – He just wanted to get his foot in the door and what better way then to engage in activism.
    With all of that in mind, Brien is merely a blip on the radar; but keep in mind its a very small blip.
    Since its been around, heres how posting-traffic breaks down:
    80GB per day in 2000, 2002 saw 250GB per day, 2005 racked in 1.5TB per day, 4TB in 2008, from 4.5TB to 6TB per day from the beginning to end of ’09, and now we’re up to somewhere around 8TB posted per day.
    Brein stands a chance? Yeah. Sure. Keep filing your lawsuits and dont give up your day jobs, boys.

  • Ahem

    Usenet was around long before the internet was and way before most of those clowns at BREIN were even born – 1980 to be exact. This changes nothing, there’s still hundreds more binary-friendly servers out there; hell, the ISP’s here in the USA used to carry their own weight in the binary groups, until some guy from New York wanted to buy votes so he pointed the finger at usenet as being the cause of every problem the internet has..Didn’t shut it down, but it wasnt about that to him – He just wanted to get his foot in the door and what better way then to engage in activism.
    With all of that in mind, Brien is merely a blip on the radar; but keep in mind its a very small blip.
    Since its been around, heres how posting-traffic breaks down:
    80GB per day in 2000, 2002 saw 250GB per day, 2005 racked in 1.5TB per day, 4TB in 2008, from 4.5TB to 6TB per day from the beginning to end of ’09, and now we’re up to somewhere around 8TB posted per day.
    Brein stands a chance? Yeah. Sure. Keep filing your lawsuits and dont give up your day jobs, boys.

    • Anonymous

      Agree. They’re fighting a hydra. Only instead of 2 heads growing when one is cut off, it’s more like 5.

      You’d think that with the sheer immense amount of piracy that goes on today that they would realize that culture is shifting & that they need to adapt.
      But in their eyes it’s just like a crime rate that is multiplying to record proportions.

      When the majority of people don’t view it as wrong-doing, it should cease to be criminal.
      In America drinking or purchasing alcohol was illegal in the 1920′s. Culture shifted though & drinking alcohol became socially acceptable again & the Volstead Act was repealed.
      It works inversely as well…
      We used to burn people we thought to be witches, then when most of the people thought it was wrong, it became illegal.
      It used to be acceptable for a grown man of any age to take a 15 year old as his bride.

      Point is…
      PIRATES WE BE, AND PIRATES WE STAY WHETHER YOU SCALLYWAGS LIKE IT OR NOT! ARRRR!

      • Ahem

        (Off Topic)

        The name Jerry Lee Lewis rings a bell as to the last thing you mentioned. Married his underage cousin. Some people were ok with it and it was accepted back then, but he was a public figure and the ones that weren’t cool with it were the ones who ruined him forever. But you’re right, back in the 1950s it was acceptable.
        Cousin marriage is legally controversial here in the states. Half of the states have legalized it, the other half have it illegal. But take a look at how other civilized countries feel about it. We spent a great deal of time on the subject in college, some changed their opinions and some didnt.

    • Ag

      >the ISP’s here in the USA used to carry their own weight in the
      >binary groups, until some guy from New York wanted to buy
      >votes so he pointed the finger at usenet as being the cause
      >of every problem the internet has

      Um, no …

      The ISPs around the world dropped usenet as a cost saving exercise when the volume of posts grew exponentially every day, due in the main part by groups like alt.binaries.chello which was populated entirely by FTD idiots dumping their hard drives over and over again in order to gain points on some stupid website.

      FTD killed free usenet.

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  • Autnomous

    So who actually gets all the money in the end? Does it go to any content producers, or do BREIN get to keep it? If so, why?

    • Meh

      The RIAA has never given out a dime to the artists as far as I know, and the leaked documents of ACS law and the percentage Andrew kept also showed a similar story – They kept anywhere from 20-50% if memory serves correctly, depending on which company they were shaking people down on behalf of.

      If anyone knows what Web Sheriff earns from their settlements, please do enlighten us. They’re all in it for the money, read into the history of Media Defender, Randy Saaf is probably living on the couch belonging to someone he went to college with by now.

      • http://crashsuit.blogspot.com crashsuit

        Silence! I concur.
        I’m sure BREIN couldn’t really care but are in this purely as the money’s good, and will take whatever actions they think will get them to step 3 (profit.)

  • DJDANKVT

    That’s no good!

    wanttorrents.me

  • Sumone

    Tim Kuik destroying the internet a day at a time…………………..

    HELLO REGULATIONS

  • DocGerbil100

    Huh. Up until now I had Brein pegged as a complete joke. Guess I was wrong, this time… possibly… ish… for a given value of ish.

    That’s the single-most incredibly ambivalent-sounding court decision I’ve ever heard of. Not counting FTD – who clearly haven’t won and presumably now have to eat a face-full of court costs – I have no idea what ramifications it might have for the file-sharing world. :P

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      That’s what Courts do when they want a particular side to win, but there’s not a sound legal basis to let them. It’s a pretty fucked-up decision DocG, and I really hope there’s enough cash left in FTD’s piggy-bank to take this to appeal.

      This idea that they’re a criminal organisation and must pay BREIN if they fail to comply with the Court’s decision is utter nonsense and downright perverse.

  • http://twitter.com/Drfootlong Drfootlong

    If Jesus were alive today, I’m guessing he would be on the pirates side http://bit.ly/bFQrGp

    • DocGerbil100

      If Jesus were alive today, he’d be unfeasibly f***ing old and pulling down about ten trillion dollars a year in pensions – on the whole, I have trouble seeing ultra-rich, incredibly decrepit pensioners really getting into torrents. :D

    • Shitstorm

      I prayed for the trial of sunde to be fair but it didn’t work. Fuck jesus

  • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

    This is a particularly nasty decision, and if there’s any decent grounds for an appeal I certainly hope FTD proceed with it.
    But yet again the main problem lies rooted in an outdated concept of copywrong law as applied to music, movies, and other entities that are neither a scarce resource nor diminish when consumed. So we need a change in law that’s sensible and fair to the producers and consumers alike.
    People who share digital files for no cash, no profit and no gain MUST not be hounded in this fascistic, Draconian manner.

    Go attack the ‘real pirates’ who are doing it for money you fuckwits, and stop chasing your own freakin’ customer base. Grrrrr, what a bunch of dummies.

  • Damn it!

    Attention FTD – appeal this crap!!

  • DocGerbil100

    I hope that’s the case. The very obvious thing for uploaders to do is ‘partner up’ and have one uploading and one spotting. The obvious thing for Brein to do is exactly the same and sue again on that basis. After that, I have no idea where this goes. It might generate an endlessly-recurring loop of piracy-adaptation, followed by legal gap-plugging. :P

    • Ven

      I would think that spotting will eventually be seen in a way similar to uploaded content on Youtube. If the copyright holder reports, it gets taken down.

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  • Citizen!

    Forbidden from “talking” about something they see???

    Wow, just wow.

    • Kick

      Wow, just wow… and I thought you were the spammer

    • Kick

      Wow, just wow… and I thought you were the spammer

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  • lulz

    So something that has a 0.02% ratio of illegal vs legal uses is illegal?… Dude, I’m gonna move there and start suing everyone! That’s open season there!

  • TRUTH

    ehh they suite there laws to what big business says …first it was if u directly served pirated material ….then its if u directly serve torrents with only meta data, …..now its if u even link to OTHER sites who have infringing data….2012 …if u even tell to Google “illegal search term” …we will take u to court….when will this stop???

  • Traveller

    The most straight forward solution is to remove human spotting from FTD completely. Just stick to automated script-based spotting. NZBMatrix uses such techniques magnificently.

  • Ferenc

    so what.. 1 down, and a shitload up…

    * Spotnet
    * DBP
    * Extreme-Net
    * FTAclub
    * FTN2day
    * TwilightNZB
    * Usenet2day
    * Usenet-World
    * GollumsWorld

  • Don Weber

    Do you hate BREIN?
    You should hate Pathe, the dutch movie company Brein acts as an umbrella organisation for.
    Remember Thailand’s Tim Kuik equivalent was pulled out of a taxi cab and shot in the face with a shotgun?
    Remember how the laws DIDN’T change after that?
    Activism/Terrorism, seems to work!!!

    • holick

      I’m sorry…what did you expect to change?.

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  • Anonymous

    Wow thats a real bummer dude, I jsut dont get it, The Kangaroo Courts are clearly on the take!

    http://www.net-privacy.at.tc

  • http://twitter.com/techlooser Tech Looser

    They are trying their best to tighten there noose around file sharing. At the end of the day, governments are like businesses. They make big bucks protecting corporate interests even though this is a battle they can not win. Technology is on the side of the pirates :)

    http://techlooser.com

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

    It was prob a mistake FTD bringing the case in the first place. who cares what Brein says ? The problem with taking them to court is not only dealing anti piracy propaganda but the fact that in most juristictions it is up to the claimant (FTD) to prove their case so throughout FTD would be at a disadvantage. So FTD would have to show it wasnt illegal rather than BREIN prove that it was. The benefit of doubt aside from any other prejudices would always be with the defendant.

    • holick

      It’s not like it would be very hard to prove it was a piracy site anyways.

    • holick

      It’s not like it would be very hard to prove it was a piracy site anyways.

    • holick

      It’s not like it would be very hard to prove it was a piracy site anyways.

  • Whatever

    There goes the more than 50% or higher % illegal use argument out of the window.

    Even worse, this is censoring (and then complaining about Egypt). It is not even linking but just informing. Better not give anyone directions where to go in the Netherlands. You’ll never know if your commiting a crime or not.

    Like in Sweden there are judges in the Netherlands who fraternize with the imaginary property lawyers. It could very well be that FTD vs brein had one of those.

    • Violated

      You make the key point when a few bad people should not ruin a good service for everyone.

      This ruling is like saying road vehicles are unlawful due to a few drunk drivers.

      Or the Internet is unlawful due to a few cyber criminals.

      The Judge ruled such a list is lawful, he also ruled that spotting copyrighted works is lawful, then he saw a FEW problem people out of the VAST userbase.

      His end judgement goes beyond belief. At worst FTD should just improve to avoid self-spotters.

      I sure hope this one goes to appeal.

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  • Guest

    So Brein still have enouth money to bride the judges hum?

    Let change that.

    It is easier to destroy than to build so the corporate parasites can not win.

  • PREDATOR

    Citizen,

    the situation is very serious.

    Not only the corporations are making their own lawS but they are also telling judges how to interpret them!

    WE CAN NOT LET THIS CONTINUE!

  • ASlowDeath

    THE INTERNET:
    Closing down sale: 2011

    Will the last one to leave please turn off the lights. Thank you and goodbye.

  • gues

    thats becasue BREIN runs the courts overthere, they do whatever they tell them to do.

  • http://twitter.com/BitsOfSkin The Crimson Ghost

    It’s a temporary victory for BREIN.
    The only problem is, that a LOT of Dutchies are getting quite fed up with this bullshit.
    It’s only a matter of time before they pick on the wrong guy.

    Imagine, if you will : some übergeek running a torrent site (who got bullied in school), gets his taken down by BREIN and gets sued and fined, dude sees parallels with being bullied in school, snaps, and goes on a killing spree in BREIN’s offices.
    Sounds awesome, eh ?

  • knight

    Clearly the judge was bribed or linked with a pro copyright movement.

    Nothing is illegal appearently but he still bends it to label ftd as illegal. Looks like it was just, to be.

    Oke back to leeching/seeding mofo’s! Makes me pisted. In fact, I’ll just start a release group and dump it on usenet.

  • Uh Oh!

    This same court also ruled that any system utilizing bulletin boards, white boards, post-it notes, pens, pencils, speaking out loud, and eye contact is illegal.

    Damn! Staples, you in trouble now bitch!

  • Guest

    In view of contemporary technological, economic and societal developments, Internet freedom is becoming an issue of intense policy debate. The European Union is facing moral, political and legal dilemmas with this issue.

    Report: http://www.thinkingeurope.eu/images/dbimages/docs/CESFreedominDaysofInternet.pdf

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  • Whatever

    A bit late but an addition to the comments:

    To show the stupidity level of Dutch judges there was a case where a site was convicted for the way Google displays results with the 3 dots in between everyone knows that this means another piece of text.

    On the site 2 pieces of information were put together because of a search quiry from the plaintiff. The search result was something like “(some text) businessname… bankrupt (some more text)”. The word bankrupt was apparantly used by a site users comment. The site had to change the site so that “Google” doesn’t display that result.

    In other words, in the Netherlands a newspaper could be convicted to change a newspaper if anyone reading a newspaper in public is holding a newspaper the wrong way so 2 texts overlap the wrong way.

    Found the article, link (Sorry, in Dutch):
    http://tweakers.net/nieuws/60148/rechter-acht-website-verantwoordelijk-voor-google-indexering.html

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  • Pinguin

    Let’s not forget that this court case was handled by a Dutch judge under Dutch jurisdiction and under the Dutch law. The Dutch copyright law states that making copies of artistic material for personal use is legal, even when the source is clearly illegal. In other words, downloading is legal. This has been confirmed in court on numerous occasions.

    I find it incredibly difficult to accept that merely TALKING about stuff that you can download and where you can find it is illegal. In essence, talking about something that in itself is perfectly legal, is now illegal. Brein claims that spotting contributes to uploading rather than to downloading and apparently two courts (lower and higher) have agreed with this line of thought. Personally I think it stretches the truth way too thin.

    I also would like to point out that you can get free ipv6 usenet with ~500 days retention and 100mbit/s speed for zero money @ http://www.xsnews.com/ipv6/

  • http://hubpages.com/hub/Google-Redirect-Virus-The-Most-Exasperating-Virus-in-the-Universe google redirect virus

    I agree. We will see soon enough.

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