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Young File-Sharers Respond To Tough Laws By Buying a VPN

A new survey has revealed that young people are responding to tough legislation and increasing levels of online spying by investing in VPN services. The study, carried out by the Cybernorms research group at Sweden’s Lund University, found that when compared to figures from late 2009, 40% more 15 to 25-year-olds are now hiding their activities online.

Faced with the almost impossible task of physically restricting people’s activities online, during recent years authorities and copyright holders have sought to have legislation tightened up, to encourage citizens towards a path of “doing the right thing” through the fear of more and more serious consequences.

In Sweden, the results of intense lobbying are clear. Due to a combination of fat Internet pipes and its status as the spiritual home of The Pirate Bay, Sweden and file-sharing go hand in hand. As a result the country is being subjected to considerable online surveillance.

But according to new research from the Cybernorms research group at Sweden’s Lund University, an increasing proportion of the country’s population are taking measures to negate the effects of spying on their online activities.

The study reveals that 700,000 Swedes now make themselves anonymous online with paid VPN services such as The Pirate Bay’s iPredator.

A similar study carried out in 2009 revealed that 500,000 Swedes were taking steps to anonymize their connections. Today’s results therefore reveal a 40% increase in privacy service uptake in roughly 2.5 years.

Of particular interest is the response to surveillance by the younger generation. According to Cybernorms, 200,000 individuals aged between 15 to 25-years-old are now hiding themselves online. This figure represents 15% of the total group, up from 10% in 2009.

Måns Svensson, PhD in Sociology of Law at Lund and study manager, says that further uptake of anonymization services will only increase as new legislation is introduced.

“If the [recent] European Court of Justice opinion leads to an intensified hunt for file sharers, there is evidence that the use of these types of services for anonymity will grow even faster,” says Svensson.

While the researchers at Lund estimate that file-sharing is one of the key drivers behind the update of anonymity services, according to the foundation administering Sweden’s top-level .SE domain, monitoring of other kinds is also playing its part.

“Where monitoring is increasing, both from government and from private players like Facebook and Google, so does demand,” .SE president Danny Aerts told Svenska Dagbladet.

Whether it’s for file-sharing, domain blockage circumvention or freedom of speech, anonymization services are here to stay. Welcome to the encrypted Internet.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

    Enigmax, you ran a story a while back about an ISP offering a 3rd party VPN as part of their standard subscription and actually charging more for a service without VPN  if users wanted the government to spy on them.

    Is that ISP (and package) still going??
    I cant speak for others but in light of the recent increase in censorship it would be interesting to revisit the story.

    • Anonymous

      An ISP which offers a package with a third party VPN that’s actually cheaper? then one which does not? 

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

         The pricing makes sense when you consider the high cost to an ISP of adding loads of monitoring kit to vett all traffic and maintain and store logs.

        An ISP would be able to negotiate a price for all users at a fraction of an individually billed vpn.

        When you add the free publicity the story generated at the time and the increased uptake as users flea other services, what might seem like a smart business move.

        • No_thanks

          I know of a Swedish ISP called Bahnhof who is charging more for a service without VPN. http://www.bahnhof.se/

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/TMYBYT4YBIPDPVMAAZIKUA277Q Tasha

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      • Anonymous

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      • Kr0nZ

        kind of a oxymoron,
        You want a VPN because your ISP is sharing your information, so using a VPN provided by your ISP would make no difference

      • Anonymous

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      • Anonymous

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    • ex5577nn

      As long as that ISP is not secretly sharing information with that “3rd party vpn” in exchange for doing buisness with them.

      After all the whole point of using a VPN is to keep your ISP from spying on you.

    • Anonymous

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  • NotTheFonz

    All VPNs still keeps logs! ALL of them. Don’t kid yourselves kiddies.

    • http://abarataraba.wordpress.com/ Guest

      The Government forces the ISP’s to keep the logs for at least 6 months.
      The VPN providers, kan delete the logs immediately.

      • Rose

         or just not log anything

      • john doe

        I doubt the VPN providers don’t ALSO keep logs for 6 months.

        When the Police go after the ISP and the ISP points to the VPN, you think they’ll just say “oh we don’t have logs” and be held liable for some SERIOUS shit someone does?

        I wish I am wrong, but I think you’re kidding yourselves, like NotTheFonz said.

        • Pete

           You ARE wrong .
          European ISP’s are NOT liable for anything the customer does .
          Further, if a European VPN-provider states in their TOS that they don’t log,
          they don’t . In Europe it’s ILLEGAL to lie to customers !
          DAMN SOCIALISTS and their commie consumer-protection !! 
          It would really help if you guys only talk about things you know
          something about . Otherwise you are just helping the MAFIAA by spreading
          all your unfounded paranoid FUD-’opinions’ .

        • john doe

          @1d4370a730f4526d9a645cef32dcb6d8:disqus 

          “if a European VPN-provider states in their TOS that they don’t log,
          they don’t . In Europe it’s ILLEGAL to lie to customers !”

          Who cares about damn consumer protection when you risk having your company RAIDED for being held as accomplice to whatever crap was done via your services?
          Surely Europe has a safer environment for VPNs, I’m not contending that, but put yourself in their shoes and think twice if you wouldn’t keep logs “just in case” something really damn serious happens.

          Maybe you’re already in their shoes and is working for a VPN?

          Everybody has logs. Whether they’re wanting to give them out or not, and for what reasons is another story.

          I’d say it just depends on how much pressure they’re under. That’s not MAFIAA-serving my friend, it’s common sense.

        • Anonymous

          @c204f9240e3e892a7c5c1a53d75e29df:disqus 

          A number of telecom companies have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar where consumer data is concerned.

          It’s illegal to lie to a customer in both the US and the EU. However, the bad part about that is twofold.

          1) The consumer must know he’s been lied to.
          2) Logging is always allowed for billing or for diagnostics. In practice any service provider CAN forget to wipe their logs for two years and usually get away with some form of plausible deniability or exculpation. Case in point – Sweden had, before the Data retention Directive extremely harsh laws on how records could be kept and for how long. That didn’t stop the Telia company from storing all consumer data for years on end. Simply because although data wipes were planned, no one ever got the job to do it.

          Compensation for customers affected? Nil.

          A VPN is in a more difficult seat there – what they sell is in essence anonymity. If they can’t provide that, you might have them sued for fraud. Going by a ToS however, is not a good start since a ToS NEVER describes the legal situation. A ToS is, just like a EULA, nothing more than a catch-all excuse for the company which issues it. It isn’t legally binding and it isn’t a valid contract in itself.

      • Pete

         Why would they delete logs that they don’t keep ?
        Man, things gotta be BAD in the US of A,
        some of you guys sound quite paranoid !

    • surfer

      yet, to get VPN logs, you will have to produce something more tangible for evidence to get the company to turn over VPN logs, something other than your detectnet flimsy bullshit, and you know it, hence the fear mongering. ‘ you will be caught anyway’, when actually, it’s ‘we can’t catch you without evidence’.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

       Even if they do keep logs, there is nothing stopping you using a VPN provided from an uncooperative country or one that at the very least is not in the same country as you (or the usa)

    • Rose

       troll go back to your bridge, the internet doesn’t like liars, or in real life either…

      • john doe

        He’s not trolling. You’re rejecting without stopping to think about it.

        • Pete

           Yes, he IS trolling .
          He’s making totally unsubstantiated claims, like
          ‘All VPNs still keeps logs! ALL of them. Don’t kid yourselves kiddies.’
          I know FOR A FACT ! that most Swedish VPN’s don’t keep logs ..

          If YOU think about it : WHY would they if they are not required to do so ?
          Do you think they WANT to know what people are doing ?
          You think they are the business they have chosen to play the Internet-police
          for free and be of voluntary assistance to the MAFIAA ??

          Get real dudes .. 

        • Anonymous

          We have thought about it, Tor nodes don’t keep logs either! See? you are conditioned into believing EVERYTHING needs logs, where there is no law, nothing can compel them to log anything, if the police or interpol come knocking, they will be told, “sorry we don’t keep logfiles” and off they go, yes really. That’s how it works here in the EU.

          Now you’d better go check under your bed, in case the terrorist bogeymen are hiding there!

    • http://twitter.com/SpitefulBlonde Zwan

      its a type of legal subversion, its a lot harder to sue someone in a different country.

      You tend to pick a country where filesharing isn’t illegal or has at least low fines.

      Also not all VPN’s keep logs. BTGuard I know don’t when I asked them.

    • Pianogamer

      Torrentfreak recently had an article on this, plenty of them keeps no logs:
      http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-providers-really-take-anonymity-seriously-111007/

      • john doe

        CLAIM to have no logs, the word is CLAIM.

        • Pete

           So, in the paranoid country you are from it’s legal
          to LIE to your paying customers in the contract ??
          You most think Sweden and the rest of Europe is some third-rate dictatorship ..

    • Sketch

      oh no they dont, not blazinseedboxes, they keep NO logs of anything.  FACT

    • Kr0nZ

      So what? They would only keep logs of when you connected and disconnected from the VPN, and what server / IP you used.

      Remember there a hundreds, maybe thousands, of other people using that same VPN with that same IP on that same server. They would not know what sites you are visiting or what you actually use your VPN for.

      Some people are just fear-mongers

      • john doe

         ”Remember there a hundreds, maybe thousands, of other people using that same VPN with that same IP on that same server.”

        But not at the same time.

        Yes, they can (and do) pinpoint you with that. Sorry.

    • Joseph Arruda

      Not all, no.  And depending on the jurisdiction you opt to route through, you can very easily thwart the incompetant feebs at Big Content and their boutique tech shops (all of which are understaffed, undersourced and overwhelmed with the vain idiocies of their clients)

      • john doe

        That’s a much better argument than those of the “no log” naives.

    • igotabigweenie

      No they dont, The VPN providers want to keep users anonymous, They dont make money if the users are affraid they will be ratted out.

      Being a VPN provider is a buisness after all.

      • Joliverio1

        Unfortunatelly almost ALL VPNs keep the logs for SURE. I have experience to use VyprVPN with their US server (was faster for me) and for the first time of my life I receive a TOS violation from them (sharing copyrighted material) and my account was frozen until I sign that I will not this do anymore. After that, I cancel my account there and didn’t sign anything. So be carefull chosing your VPN provider, if server is from US for sure they keep logs

        • Anonymous

          It might as well have been another problem – DNS-leak from ipv6 which should be turned off in any self-respecting system. Or your wifi may have been hacked in which case you took the fall for someone else.

        • Anonymous

          Addendum to below: If you use a VPN service along with PPTP protocol, by Chtulhu’s tentacles disable ipv6.

          Indeed, I’d steer clear of PPTP altogether anyway and use IPsec/L2TP or even better OpenVPN. 

          And be advised if your connection to your VPN drops, your computer will quietly resume activity unencrypted unless you force it not to. Hence, test your encrypted connection on any test site in order to certify you aren’t leaking your queries. And if possible, rely on a VPN provider with a client solution which forces applications opened through the client to connect only via your VPN.

          There are a number of 3rd-party apps accomplishing the same, most of whom are open source.

        • Pete

          You chose a really bad VPN-provider AND failed to read THIS :
          http://www.goldenfrog.com/terms-of-service
          and this :
          http://www.goldenfrog.com/copyright

          So, because you clicked ‘Buy’ and got burned due to not reading the contract you conclude that ALL VPN’s are equally dodgy ?

        • Anonymous

          @Scary_Devil_Monastery:disqus How does a DNS leak get someone into trouble? unless his ISP is actually spying on him, which 99.999% of the time isn’t the cause of the ToS violation notices, especially if it’s from his VPN provider and NOT his ISP. Food for thought.

    • Jonathon Frisby

      Exactly, and since you log into VPN, you can be tracked much more accurately that trying to determine whether or not you are the person using a particular IP address. 

    • Soddingsquirrel

      No they don’t.

      • john doe

        That’s what you wish.

    • Pete

       No they don’t .
      Why would they if there is no law requiring them to do so ?
      And why would they LIE to their customers by stating in their TOS that they don’t
      You seem to think that there is no rule of law and that consumers have no rights ..
      That makes sense if you are American

    • Guh

       Kind of… If it’s a stand-alone vpn appliance, the logs are kept till power is reset on the device. I know, because I have about 50 in the field across the US. once the power goes down.. all the logs are gone forever. I could also choose not to collect logs.

  • Anon

    Using a VPN is like driving your car while wearing a Guy Fawkes mask in the car and also in your license photo. The sooner VPN’s are enough abused in unlawful activities for the government to take them over, the better.

    • http://abarataraba.wordpress.com/ Guest

      When Governments take over VPN’s, the Governments will be replaced.

    • Anyone

      you are an idiot and/or troll

    • djnforce9

      No, it’s more like replacing the surveillance camera footage with a pre-recorded tape (for a camera that shouldn’t BE THERE in the first place). The people under the camera are doing all sorts of things but the anyone watching will always see the same images. I doubt VPN’s will disappear anytime soon so keep up your pointless “hopes” (you and the rest of the copyright shills).

      • john doe

        You’re watching too much “Mission Impossible”, kid.
        There’s VPNs that will sell your ass very cheaply if their business is at stake.

    • Pianogamer

      And then have all the VPN revenue go to countries that couldn’t care less about US copyrights! Genius! That will sure bring back jobs

      • Dam859

        I see you believe the BS about copyrights being about  jobs! Wake up! It’s about big corporations getting more profits. To do that they will shift jobs away from a heavily unionized US.

      • Anonymous

        The vpn’s are stealin’ our jerbs!

        • LittleUrn

          So get a job running a VPN – it’s a fast growing sector ;)

      • Pete

         Yes, all the commie-VPN’s from China are stealing your manufacturing-jerbs
        and smuggling the production-plants to the labour-camp areas in commie-land,
        all over heavily encrypted Internet-tubes .. Damn that Al Gore-guy !

    • Anonymous

      Remember the 1930′s era of Prohibition? 

      Sometimes government is wrong. 

      Then it says, “OOOOOOPS!” 

      The more government is wrong and the more it says “OOOOOOPS!”, the
      more its citizens………give it………..the finger.

      • Sporky McForkinspoon

         I’d rather they actually say “Oops!” and change position, instead of doubling down and making things worse.

    • jerenept

      You are aware that VPN’s have uses other than anonymizing? Dumbass, big companies use VPN’s all the time, they’re not going to throw away their own technology.

    • Guest

      You are a stupid troll. At least try to make sense while doing your job spreading your fake opinion for your corporate boss. This is not convincing.

      But you know you are right not to be loyal to them doing a shitty job and ripping them off since  t0hese parasites deserve it.

      There is a huge problem with making VPN illegal and you know it. Many businesses need to use VPN. Better to make Internet illegal to stop file sharing and freedom of speech. But then people would start using their own wifi network and then what do you do? Make computers illegal and go back to your cave like Ben Laden?

    • Guest

      >
      Using a VPN is like driving your car while wearing a Guy Fawkes mask in the car and also in your license photo. The sooner VPN’s are enough abused in unlawful activities for the government to take them over, the better.

      Yeah, and eventually you can add Guy Fawkes masks, cars, roads and data storage devices to the list of things for the government to take over.

      You’re such a crock of shit, Anon. Did willaLavie hog your special place under PelouzeTF’s desk again?

    • Anonymous

      Ah yes, which is why China has barred VPN’s…

      Oh, they haven’t? You think they didn’t TRY?

      No, seriously, Anon…along with your ideas that due process and trial by jury ought to be abandoned as “inconvenient” this one sets a new low in the stupidity department.

      But by all means keep trying. We can all use a good laugh around here, even if it’s on your expense.

  • Apexdigit

    vpns will work for a few years, then they will crack down on them too. They will be required to allow government snoopers or be declaired illegal and closed down. Face it. Every government in the world is worried about the internet. While cheering as the net helps clear out hated dictators, every government, including the mighty USA, worries that the same thing could happen to them. You can bet their advisers tell leaders in every first world nation the same thing; the people love the country but hate the leaders. The movie/music/software downloading fight is a test bed for the real thing. Governments will do anything to protect themselves with the exception of giving their citizens what they want.

    • Sahara

       ok so they can’t spy on encrypted traffic, and they can’t legistlate the whole world, and we know how the us megaupload case is going, its all crooked, and the public outrage against sipa and cispa starting, + if they do that ppl will go deeper such as torah and freenet and the many others such as imule (anon emule) They can never defeat the public because the only way to do such would be to turn the net off, but then we would rebuild it with mesh networks and it woudn’t take long but the collaterial damage from turning the net off would be too great, hence won’t happen.

      • Watching You Watching Me

        Go ahead and pass all the laws you want, they won’t make a lick of difference. The only way the rich and powerful will ever defeat the will of the masses is if they kill us all. You may scoff at that, but It’s been tried before and more than once. Each try resulted in failure and massive shifts in power. Until they decide to pull the trigger on that (and I guarantee there are copyright supporting extremists out there who would without a second thought), we’ll keep sharing no matter what you trolls and shills say. Mankind has been doing it since the dawn of time and will still be in the middle of doing it the day humanity comes to it’s final end.

        • Watching You Watching Me

           That was not directed at Sahara. Must have hit the wrong reply button. It was aimed at … well you know who.

    • Captain Buzzoverinthehead DFC

      And then new ways of concealing online activity will be developed. Users will always be one step ahead of snoopers.

    • Wayne

       VPN isn’t just used for privacy. They’d not be able to make it illegal since work offices normally use VPNs / remote desktops etc.

      • Wat

        Torrent websites are used for legal purposes, too. Example: Linux distros. That  hasn’t stopped them from shutting them down.

        • Anonymous

          There’s a difference. China hasn’t cracked down on VPN use because if they did, China would have tied it’s entire economy like a hog and bled it to death.

          Same applies to any western nation. If you try to outlaw or control encryption you can say fare-thee-well to every current industry. And the finance sector would collapse overnight.

    • Anonymous

       +1
      I also have the hope that some of the brighter minds out there will keep up the Fight for Internet and always come out with Tech to stay ahead of the snooping Government.
      And I do hate my USA Government.

    • Anonymous

      And, much like China, will fail miserably.

      China is actually a good case study. Online the dissidents can do whatever they want and over 60% of the chinese online community are estimated to be filesharers.

      You will simply find that there are no real ways to implement control over the internet while retaining it’s core functionalities. The US may become a case study here, as we can see by the “collateral fallout” which has resulted in every legislative action thus far.

  • Anonymous

    the answer to the problem is so obvious to everyone, including the entertainment industries. it is those industries, however, not the people, not the customers, that refuse to do anything to resolve the problems, preferring to bribe politicians, by using downright lies and false figures, into tightening already ridiculous laws and then suing people into the ground and/or getting them jailed through court action! until the industries give suitable, legal alternatives, ways around their stupidity will always be found. i do wonder, however, how many other businesses must be closed before governments realise that more is being lost than gained by supporting the entertainment industries in the present ways, rather than making them stand up to the challenges of the digital age themselves!

  • http://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/ Marcus Povey

    Two issues which obviously stand out:

    1) VPNs keep logs (as mentioned above), so if you’re trying to do something illegal you probably are still going to get in trouble for it eventually.

    2) VPNs have to have an endpoint onto the wider internet somewhere, so while you may use these technologies to evade something like the UK’s requirement that ISPs log all email, web and IM traffic, you may fall foul of someone elses monitoring.

    As the number of jurisdictions which are introducing surveillance increases, the number of safe VPNs are only ever going to decrease.

    File sharing and civil liberties aside, as a business owner I view my business connections and web activity (which gives a very good picture of some of the R&D projects I’m involved in) as confidential information. I for one don’t want this sort of information left on the train by some civil servant.

    • Lisasolea

      Not all vpns keep laws, many don’t

      • Desu75

        But the point is: that will change. 

      • john doe

        You are naive.

    • Jason

      Research laws regarding vpn data retention in places like Sweden. What little logs are kept can not ID you to your public IP address. Plain and simple.

      • Guest

         Oh there is an easy answer to this:

        Sorry your honor but they was a write error and we lost the log file in question.

        SORRY!!!!!!

        not.

      • john doe

        If it can’t associate your IP to your own account, the time and IP you connected to, then it’s not a log.

        I believe you should research again yourself.

      • Pete

         But …
        If I did research I would know what I was talking about ..
        And then I couldn’t spread paranoid MAFIAA-serving FUD on torrentfreak !!
        /S

  • bigDICK

    I feel the torrent protocol be re-engineered from ground up to increase security of users, in built encryption. Servers hiding client ip from each other.. This is the optimal solution, don’t know if anyone would pick it though.

    • Kr0nZ

      how would you propose this happens?
      there are already protocols such as l2p-bt, that redirect your traffic through a number of other peers before getting to the final destination, but these protocols are slow because it relies on other people in the network, and not everyone has fast uploads.

      the only way i could see it happening is if you used fast central servers that can maintain fast connections with thousands of peers at the same time, but the would get expensive, and not too mention it would no longer be a decentralized system.
      keep in mind protocols such as tor have fast donated servers, but it is still slow because of all the people using the few fast servers that are available 

      Paid VPNs are the only real alternative you have if you want speed and be anonymous while downloading from p2p networks

      • Anonymous

        Actually you are wrong there. There are working clients with built-in encryption and onion-routing which provide everything as is.

        At this point i usually point to stealthnet which is the proof-of-concept constructed so far. A paid VPN is certainly superior – mainly due to bandwidth issues – but there are alternatives.

  • http://twitter.com/AveryShirley1 AveryShirley

    as Shawn responded I cannot believe that a student can get paid $5882 in four weeks on the computer. have you seen this link  (Click on menu Home more information)   http://goo.gl/A7Gvn 

    • Captain Buzzoverinthehead DFC

      Stupid spammer.

  • ANONYMOUS

    VPNs get slapped with a lawsuit unless they give up the names of the kids. How quick you think they will turn around from either giving up 10 names or paying millions in defence and perhaps losing…? Guess please. 

    • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

      And supposing they don’t log where are they going to get those names?

      • NotTheFonz

        it’s logs all the way down………….

      • ANONYMOUS

         Payment processor. What are they paying with? Western Union? Bitcoin? Which service goes to the length of either of these? There’s always a payment trail. You have to be nuts to receive Bitcoin though…Volatile and speculative is what it is. As a business owner you wouldn’t want Bitcoin unless you make enough from other processors to cover your arse.

        • bevgewgewew

          Bitcoin has been holding steady at around $5 USD http://preev.com/ for the past few months any VPN that accept bitcoin a and cash in the mail are usually great

        • Kr0nZ

          I dont even own a real credit card,
          I pay for all my online purchase with prepaid credit cards, that doesnt leave a payment trail, only a trail to the store i bought it from.

        • Anonymous


           Payment processor. What are they paying with? Western Union? Bitcoin? Which service goes to the length of either of these? There’s always a payment trail. You have to be nuts to receive Bitcoin though…”

          http://www.bestvpnservice.com/blog/vpn-providers-with-bitcoins 

          Any further questions you might want to ask? Do yourself a favor and either know what you are talking off..or at least google it beforehand.

          Actually, Bitcoin is far more stable than people think. I’d make the claim that it’s backed by a more solid base than the € is right now, after the ECB started printing money in order to write off bad national debts.

          As for the USD…well, if China ever does want to sink the US all they have to do is throw all their US bonds into the market at once and watch the dollar sink like a lead duck.

          Bitcoin today makes many international currencies look positively stable. I’m not sure that’s a positive for bitcoin as much as it’s a negative for the Euro and the USD though…

    • Jason

      FBI fry’s to get this info all the time. It does not exist with some services. How can they turn over what they dont have. FBI is told its not possible and they move on to the next lead or case. It is safe, I seeded the hell out of a particluar movie about a us army EOD team in Iraq ;) starting from day one, still seeding it (behind vpn) No calls or letters.

      • ANONYMOUS

         How much bandwidth were you allowed on that VPN? I can’t imagine they give you 100s of gigs to seed BTT files.

        • Anonymous

          Most VPN’s provide flat rate. So, with the usual of 10 Mbit/s it is enough. not what my at-home 100 Mbit can bear, but good enough, certainly.

          I would advise that you look up VPN offers before spouting off about what they do and what services they provide. Most VPN’s have two rates – rates per Gbit, or bundle of Gbits, or flat-rate at a set bandwidth – and if you opted for the latter, it really doesn’t matter if you have your router glowing red-hot with 24/7 traffic going full throttle.

          [EDIT: Of the two options the flat-rate is more appealing - otherwise the VPN will have to at least carry a log of data amount used]

        • Pete

           You are clearly not from Europe ..
          I have a 60/60Mbit/s connection and get 56-58Mbit/s on the VPN,
          24/7 and no stupid caps, limits or ‘fair use’ BS …

  • http://twitter.com/happyizpunjai happy

    .VPS are still better. 

  • Shared

    There are two types of VPN services:  Shared and Dedicated. 

    A Shared VPN provides better anonymity because many people share a common VPN IP at any given time (like NAT behind a router).  An IP address from say a torrent swarm is not evidence enough to trace back to a specific VPN user (ie 100 people using the same VPN IP at the same time). 

    Dedicated VPN is needed if you want to run a server, 

    I prefer a Shared VPN for surfing, torrenting and SSL downloading. 

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  • Wilbuppl

    Proving a negative is impossible. One side may claim that a VPN provider x doesn’t log, while the other  may claim that it must and always does log.

    It leaves the user in the dark since a log is storing the user’s trafick history, and there is no way in which you can prove or disprove the promise in a written policy. The policy promises that no human will observe and store your trafick data, but such a claim is no more worthy than copyright law. If information can be copied, stored and spread, it likely will if someone somewhere has an interest.
    Pirates and proponents of free information should in particular not rely on any written documents, since what those policies promises is that your info will not be copied or handed over to a third party. Rather than any privacy policy, I prefer reliance on technical apart from legal solutions. The only networks living up to the promise are Tor, Freenet and I2P.

    • Shared

      I agree with your analysis. 

      Yet certain points come to mind … 

      1)  Low Lying Fruit:  It is easier for “enemies” to go after unprotect citizen IP addresses.  For the vast “John Doe Torrent” lawsuits the IPs listed are traceable directly back to a specific user ISP account.  Users on Shared VPNs are simply not included in the Troll’s ”IP Lists” (thus far). 

      2)  VPN Integrity:  HideMyAss is perfect example.  They betrayed a (hacker) customer to the “Man”.  Now their name is “Mud” and they are losing customers because of the bad-press fallout. 

      3)  TPB lives:  TPB is such a great moving target.  I am amazed how resilient they are.  They (and Mega) keep the “enemies” focused on them and thus buy time for VPN services to thrive and grow. 

      BTW:  I use free VPNs and free SSL accounts.  Short of detailed packet analysis I feel very insulated from the “crude” evidence employed by most copyright Trolls.  I simply aim not to be low lying fruit (not 100% invisible). 

      • Anonymous

        Good point, there’s no absolutes with privacy or security for that matter. This is the only time I’ll make an analogy to car theft (bear with me.) No car is theftproof but you can do a lot to make your car unattractive – lock it, park it in a garage, install an alarm, etc. Just like your Internet usage, being careful and hiding your tracks as much as possible make you a high hanging fruit and less attractive to copyright trolls grasping fruit off the tree. Hell, I suspect people are getting caught because they’re still using Kazaa or emule. 

        I’m curious what steps are going to be taken against Usenet, if any. Technically here in Canada, the act of downloading content and not re-sharing it is perfectly legal. Can they go after the service providers? The indexing sites? 

      • Desu75

        A “hacker” should know not to use paid VPNs. They are not anonymous. None of them are. They are about confidentiality. Confidentiality has its limits. A real “hacker” would have his own multi-point VPN from other hacked servers. 

        • Shared

          Exactly! 

          Thank You. 

          But HideMyAss still SUCKS COCK and I hope they DIE DIE DIE!

    • Pete

      You ALL seem to be under the impression that there are no consumer-laws
      in Europe . A company can’t just run around and make false claims about the product they sell . If they say the price is 5 Euro, it’s 5 Euro, if they say they don’t keep logs, THEY DON’T KEEP LOGS ! If they say you have unlimited bandwidth, you have unlimited bandwidth and so forth ..

       

      • Anonymous

        There certainly are consumer laws. However, the telecom sector isn’t exactly swamped with good conduct here. In Sweden, for instance the telecommunication laws used to prohibit storage of traffic data logs past what was necessary for invoicing and diagnostics. It is, however, remarked that some operator never scrubbed their logs at all for years. In practice if asked they could always refer right back to “performing diagnostics”.

        And then of course the consumer isn’t exactly in a position to demand that the telecom company shows what they have stored or not on him. So proving malfeasance is very very hard.

        Upholding consumer rights is difficult when the consumers do not know they have been tricked.

  • Anonymous

    I worry that anticopyright law activism might be impaired if the filesharing constituency heads collectively into the Darknet. 

    VPNs solve this mornings problem; and, perhaps tomorrows problem.  But only to the extent that we consider the act of puting a thin finger to plug a hole in a dike solving a problem.  What we’re really saying is we’ll pray and see next week whether this dike breaks.  It’s a bad life choice for the owner of the finger. 

    Only a present, active, and growing mass constituency can change or abolish the existing copyright laws.  That’s where the problem is.  It’s certainly true that the Copyright monopolies are threatened by the minority cadre of filesharing intelgentsia that creates alternative business and adopts dispuptive technology; but, they fear even more the popular repacement of their distribution channels as their customers find easy entry into the “uncontrolled” digital universe. 

    • Wilbuppl

      Not likely.

      Every time the technology evolves, the copyright lobby rather than being satisfied with driving piracy underground attempts to tighten the law.

      Adoption of the darknet might  stunt anticopyright activism if the copyright lobby had limited obtainable goals, but what the copyright lobby desires is not merely punishing the primary infringers but imposing liability on all chains in the information chain from the primary infringer, secondary infringer, internet connectivity provider, hosting provider, indexing site, and somewhere down the chain commercial VPN providers and when that it isn’t enough any home user running or in other ways facilitating an anonymity mesh network.

      The copyright maximalists only resort is burning down the village in order to save it, and if the people resists kill or jail all its inhabitants.

      Even though the state of copyright law is awful, I celebrate the UK’s attempt to block  the TPB.

      From now it is either total enforcement or defeat for the notion of copyright and other fraudulent so-called intellectual property laws.

      Copyright enforcement should become so extreme, that it’s indistinguishable from censorship.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        It was already past that point a long time ago. Now, copyright enforcement is beyond censorship, it’s to the point of slavery.

      • Anonymous

        I was with you up until “Even though the state of copyright law is awful, I celebrate the UK’s attempt to block  the TPB.” Are you saying this is good because it appeases the copyright lobbyists in the short term?

        • Anonymous

          I think he’s saying the following:

          1) We know copyright enforcement can’t work under any paradigm of online freedom.

          2) That being the case, it’s better if legislation actually becomes so draconian that the average internet user can’t fail to notice and stand up in outrage.

          I’m halfway aboard with him on this – when SOPA and PIPA were introduced, Google stood up in order to defend it’s business and normal non-pirating facebook users got up from their couch in order to protest.

  • Anonymous
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    • Rabbit80

      They must go after Google first – as a simple Google search will return a nice cached piratebay page with perfectly functional magnet links! eg http://alturl.com/cuu9q

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  • Anonymous

    Seems alot of people in these discussions believe VPN services don’t
    keep logs because the service providers themselves say so. It’s in their
    interest to say they don’t keep logs, otherwise people wouldn’t pay for their services.

    I bet if they were seriously threatened with shutdown from an authoritarian bully
    government like the US, and I feel it’s only a matter of time, you’d
    probably be surprised with how much info they’d come up with on their
    customers past present and future. Do you think they’d rather be bankrupted by legal fees and risk being arrested, or rat out their users? Think about it.

    Either that, or there will be a law that says simply hiding your internet activity is a crime. They can’t read your data, you go to jail, end of story. Then it wouldn’t even matter if VPNs keep logs or not.

    • Shared

      Take US-based VPNReactor for example …

      “When you connect to VPNReactor we create a private encrypted tunnel between you and the Internet. Nobody can spy on where you connect to, where you come from, or what you do. We only keep logs for 5 days to stop spammers, criminals and those who violate our Terms of Service. After that, the logs are automatically deleted and nobody, not even us can find out what you have been doing on the Internet!” 

      Now I notice that many of the IPs used by VPNReactor are often used by spammers.  Heck some of the IPs are on spam blacklists.  So it seems reasonable for VPNR to try to prevent spammers on their service (free or paid). 

      OTOH, why risk keeping logs for extended periods of time.  If they keep nothing they reduce risk of not losing integrity (and customers) if they are “attacked” by a court order. 

      For a VPN to be labeled a “RAT” like HideMyAss is certain death to their business model.  It is in their own best economic interest NOT TO KEEP LOGS!

      Their is NO LAW requiring VPNs to keep logs.  In fact keeping logs (like HideMyAss does) actually endangers their business. 

      • john doe

        “Their is NO LAW requiring VPNs to keep logs. ”

        You really think they will think twice about giving the logs if their business is faced with a massive lawsuit? It’s just a matter of how much pressure is given.

        5 days? lol, don’t bet on that, buddy.

    • Pete

      ‘ I bet if…’
      ‘and I feel..’
      ‘probably be surprised…’
      ‘Do you think..’
      ‘Either that, or there will be a law…’
      Ending with :
      ‘They can’t read your data, you go to jail, end of story.’

      See how you are speculating yourself towards total paranoia,
      without a SINGLE fact to base it on ?

      If you knew ANYTHING about European law, you would know that ISP’s
      ARE NOT ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE ACTIONS OF CUSTOMERS .

      Factual knowledge prevents paranoia . Acquire some and sleep better at night !

      • Anonymous

        Thanks to the fact that the Pirate Party and the Greens/Liberals managed to “fix” the telecommunications package in the EU yes. If not, common carrier and messenger immunity would have been effectively gone.

        The first few ACTA drafts did the same. SOPA/PIPA in the US – same.

        Generally speaking it’s easy to see a trend here – ISP’s are indeed not accountable for the actions of their customers. Yet. But when you see three international treaties in four years trying to make them so pushed very hard then you start to wonder how long that will actually last.

  • Wilbuppl

    Sure, and any nation legislating that the use of encryption is a crime is truly totalitarian. In the UK there is already a law called RIPA which imposes imprisonment for not revealing your encryption key. And what happens if I know that I’ll either go to jail for hiding my internet activity or for piracy or for both or for murdering the policeman when he comes knocking? You are really breeding a dangerous resistent bacteria. If everything becomes criminal, and the punishment targets everyone, violence against the system is inevitable. And since most have something to hide — cheating on taxes, lying about their income in a child support case, or exceeding authorized computer access from work computer, everyone gets hit by a ban on hiding internet activity.

    • Pete

       You can not reveal what you have no knowledge of and RIPA reflects that .
      You do not know the encryption-key used by your VPN (unless you decide to extract it from RAM ). The default openVPN configuration changes the key every 60 minutes . Likewise, you don’t know the encryption-key used when viewing
      a web-page over HTTPS and you can’t be compelled to reveal it, because you have no knowledge of it .
      What you are talking about is passwords/keyfiles needed to read files and/or storage-devices .  If you refuse to hand those over, you will be Her Majesties guest for a while . And while locked up, away from your computer, you naturally forget the password, right ?
       

  • Wilbuppl

    Some assume that a VPN provider would have an incentive in keeping logs in order to pass the buck onto someone else, but I actually think the reality  is the opposite.
    A VPN provider keeping logs in direct contradiction to its stated policy is not only incriminating the users but in addition providing evidence against itself.

    For example, if StrongVPN rats out its users  for copyright infringement or child pornography, it becomes reasonable to ask why the service did not inspect the logs in order to halt the illicit activities of its users.

    Any data retained beyond what is technically and legally required may be subpoenaed by the government or third party, and no VPN provider will look good if or when the logs are admitted into discovery in a civil or criminal case.

    • john doe

      You argument sounds great, but the problem is that the plaintiff or government agency still has the IP leading to the VPN service, and if this company don’t give out the information on who was using it, then they could be charged by the crime themlselves or maybe be charged as accomplice, who knows? Would they risk not having logs and just say “fuck it, let’s see what happens”. I doubt so.

  • Anonymous

    Well duh, when you play with fire, you best mask your real IP address.
    Deep-Web.tk

  • Shared

    Regardless of the type of encrypted VPN tunnel you use (OpenVPN, PPTP, etc.), it is extremely important to use STRONG usernames and passwords. 

    Random upper/lower case alpha numeric … 

    ie … 
    username As35Trq9lMv3nDo96H6YdSzmB90Ed3
    password H78UjsqY4i93Yns0OoP7Lg43EaBy84T

    We all know that 128-bit MSCHAP PPTP is weak. 
    Yet Strong UN/PW makes man-in-middle attack a bitch. 

    Far from being low lying fruit.

    • Anonymous

      Everyone read that twice. There are other ways. pick a long sentence which is odd but which you can easily remember. Then simply replace the odd letter with another according to a rule of thumb you can hold in your head.

      Assuming you have at least twenty digits in the string you should be “reasonably” secure.

    • Chameleon87

      Sorry but.. this fits so well right here :D

      http://xkcd.com/936/ 

  • Guest

    This is nice for the people but it won’t be good for the internet having such a mess.
    Besides turning a new generation into criminals and wasting money, great job people in charge.

  • Support

    Can’t speak for other VPNs, but I’ll tell you what we log at our VPN service.

    The actual web site server logs the usual stuff, like where you are coming from (IP/Country) – this info is deleted after 7 days.

    This server does store what payment processor you chose and any email associated with your processor. Yes, some payment methods are more secure than others. It also stores the username and password you chose for the account profile.

    A separate hub server stores your username and password for the account, as well as your username and password for the VPN. The hub server, and the exit servers store when you logged on, what server you used, and how much bandwidth you use. These servers do not store the IP you came from, or your activity (where you went).

    We are not under any obligation in Canada to share this info unless required by local law enforcement and a full court order is produced. That takes a lot of work.

    In that case (has never happened in our 4 years), we would be forced to match the account profile on the account server with the info on the hub & exit servers. So, the weakest link is the payment processor that you use and the email account associated with it.

    • Shared

      Glad to read your post.

      Is your VPN service shared or dedicated or both? 

      Feel free to explain to us TF fans.

  • Support

    All our exit servers use shared IPs, but we plan to offer dedicated IPs as an option later this year. Dedicated IPs obviously offer less anonymity, but have their benefits such as being able to plug them into routers, xboxes, boxee, roku boxes etc.

    • Anonymous

      Don’t you think they will come for the VPN providers next. Forcing you to log user activity or be closed down?

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  • Guest

    It is obvious that vpn will be mainstream in the future. As a filesharer i may want a vpn to protect from spying, but as a future father, tomorrow, i will consider a vpn as a must to protect my family from several online threats.

    there will be a market for ‘easy to set up home routers with vpn service included’.

    • Shared

      Expecting Father,

      Congratulations!  Myself, as a father of two (brilliant foxy-physicist) daughters this is my advice on what you need to do …  

      1)  Train newborn infant(s) on PC ASAP.  Breast-feed, PC, Breast-feed, PC (Mommy’s breasts, Daddy’s PC).  Lots of Geometry and Cool Kid free software. 

      2)  You learn first … no such thing as “‘easy to set up home routers with vpn service included”.  In fact most routers are security nightmares out-of-the box. 

      3)  You keep learning more more more … Kids are brilliant and soak up knowledge faster than anything.  Encourage them.  Give them tools.  Watch them excel.  Learn from them.  Warn them also. 

      Both Kids and Politicians post STUPID shit on FaceBook. 
      Don’t raise stupid kids. 

      Hint …
      free email accounts (for sign ups) 
      free VPN accounts (exploited – my bad) 
      free SSL U**N** accounts (exploited – my bad) 

  • Phil Landry

    This proves that people are ready to pay more. If they had a 15$ to 25$ per months unlimited Movie and Music platform, it would be easier than renting an hidden service.

    Imagine if the hidden service was a trick by the mafiaa that secretly owns all VPN and Seedboxes services, to act as a secret tax and sue you if you don’t hide. 

  • Chilly8

    There are other reasons for VPN usage. The main reason is to bypass geo-restrictions, so that someone in the USA, could, say, watch Eurovision’s Olympics coverage, which is just plain better than NBC.

  • 46767

    Well, sweden has now passed law so ISP are now forced to keep recors, Ipredator as well, still I trust them more hat any other VPN.

    Here a messag about it from some weeks ago on its blog:

    Dear users,

    so Sweden finally sold out its soul to the EU and is asking ISPs to
    implement data retention. “But it’s for your own good” we are told, it
    is for the security of your family and yourself in order to catch .

    The EU also claims that there is no way of going back from the
    fuck-up created in 2006 when the data retention law was put in place for
    EU members. Well, the last time we looked out of the window there were
    no red heads burnt alive, no Negroes were barred from sitting besides us
    in a bar and women were not disallowed to vote.

    At some point in the future achievements like these might be reverted
    again – when it has become clear that all the stored data got lost to
    various factions that dwell on the internet, making use of it in many
    different ways, e.g.:

    leaking and selling data sets to advertisers by corrupt employees

    stealing and publishing data sets on the Internet by hacktivists

    data retention laws dishonoring corrupt government agencies or
    companies passing on your data to other countries that give a shit about
    local laws

    foreign countries having an interest in acquiring such knowledge with data sets full of useful demographic data

    If not we have to find ways to work around the old farts that write
    and put such laws in place without understanding the immense risk that
    is created by collecting all this data. Having said that, you do not
    have to fear that IPredator will engage in tracking you. We always made
    it perfectly clear that we do not tolerate serious crime and will
    comply with the local laws. But logging everything our users do goes way
    beyond what we can support from an ethical point of view.

    The worst case scenario we can think of currently is that we need to move our operations to another country. Although the list of countries refusing to put data retention in place is getting shorter in the EU (and also worldwide).

    Due to the massive distribution and versatility of the Internet it is
    not that easy to create an Alternet that will enable you to access to
    the resources you desire. Consider this ever shrinking list of countries
    that provide proper Internet access as a reason to spend some time to
    develop new mechanisms to cope with the current changes. Go help Tor,
    I2P or similar projects since we will need them more than ever in the
    future.

    The IPredator team

  • Jakedaynes

    Pirate Party of Canada runs its own VPN service – Canadians only due to financing laws, but ostra.ca is where its at – new site coming soon – we’re in the middle of rehashing our current one.

    Jake Daynes
    Pirate Party of Canada

  • Anonymous

    I have got my VPN and now this UK citizen appears on-line in Amsterdam, NL.

    SecurityKiss offer a very nice fast service and I hope many people did take advantage of that 6 months premium account weekend freebie I posted. Premium account offers come about so rarely that you do need to jump at the opportunity.

    Well too damned right that people need to encrypt these days. I keep updated on the news and the amount of organizations wanting to spy on you, track you, compile and copy your data grows more by the day. The United States are one of the worst where to be constantly spied upon is very concerning and a total violation of the Bill of Rights.

    God only help you if you have on-line email when any of your email over 6 months old is considered abandoned and copy it they will. Businesses are now foolish to have hosting in the US when they will go through all your private data. Cloud storage only adds a new level to this problem and lets not forget the domain name issues.

    Even if you fly to the US they want your travel details going back 10 years and loads of personal data (phone, address, CC numbers) all the way up to your ethnic origin, religion and copies of your medical records.

    I am now approaching the point where I would keep my connection encrypted 24/7 and switch around VPN servers as needed then Tor adds in a secondary level of encryption to hide your ass.

    As an average citizen I don’t do much to be concerned about but I hate people scheming and plotting while searching through my data. I value my privacy and anonymity and anyone looking to track me can fuck off and die.

  • Pissed

    If these stats are correct how the fuck  did they get these stats? It clearly show that these vpn motherfuckers are sharing people personal information so what the fuck is the point of using vpns? -__-

    • http://twitter.com/dekaminski Marcin de Kaminski

      Hey, don’t be so pissed. The studies has not been performed in coop with any VPN provider. Instead, we have used online surveys targeting a ground of respondents corresponding to the overall Swedish population between the ages 15-25.

    • Anonymous

      I’m guessing they’re just asking a bunch of people…

    • Anonymous

      What Marcin de Kaminski said, below. Since he helped write the study, I’d say he knows best how they got their information.

  • https://thepiratebay.org/user/manOtor/ manOtor

    And like the sheep we are, driven by the watchdogs we are tumbling into the next trap set out for us.
    And what else could we do?
    If we want to keep our freedom, there seems to be no other way.

    If I’d be playing the big players league, I’d already be holding lots of shares to a lot of VPN providers in my hands.
    If not the MPAA, RIAA and associates themselves, then at least the ones pulling the strings on them, are surly aware of the course they set out for.

    Looking at the big picture it always comes down to one simple question if you want to know why certain things happen: Who might gain profit from the current situation?

    Like Rick Falkvinge said in one of his articles: It would be foolish to assume that the opposition to us pirates don’t have a clue when it comes to the beast called “Internet”. Quite the contrary: they not only know it, they play it like it’s made of strings. And they are good at it.

    And don’t be quick to laugh this off as another conspiracy theory – just think logically:
    Would you pass on a good business opportunity like that?
    If you had the power to steer things into a certain direction to support your purposes, wouldn’t you do it?
    It is no secret that all the big players around the world are well connected through various boards or economic conferences and have ties to the governments they are not afraid to use.
    I don’t think it is too far fetched to assume that some of them play their cards right to achieve a common goal.
    And it’s certainly not world domination, but simply to make a good profit off of it all.

    Hollywood and all their little chess pieces proofed time and again that this is all they care about.

  • Guest

    Swedish VPN service providers aren’t legally obligated to log. Why? Because a VPN service provider is not a telecommunication provider within the meaning of the data retention law.

    • Anonymous

      The real pressure will come when/if Sweden/EU tries to pass a law mandating VPN providers to log session data.

      In which case it will be a flagrant violation of key passages within the EU charter. As that de facto removes every shred of “freedom of speech” with “freedom of speech – as long as no one objects to what is being said”.

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    Fuck them. Fuck them right in the eyes.I haven’t bought music, a book, rented a movie or been to the cinema in over a year. Why? because of the attitude of these fucks, their attacks on individuals and the internet generally. And so it will continue until they fuck off and die.
    Before this I might have been spending 50 pounds a month. I hope millions of others have been doing the same and making the twats suffer.
    One might criticize because of lost revenue to Bands. Sorry, fuck you too for contracting with these snakes. Get some self respect then come back and ask me for money.
    Do you use iTunes? then you’re a CUNT. Jobs got the death he deserved. Get some fucking self respect and get off the Rotten Apple bandwagon. 
    Do you pay for Spotify or a dozen others?  then you’re a CUNT. Get some fucking self respect.
    If just 1 in 3 people pull the plug the whole festering tower will come crashing down. It’s going well already so it sounds. Don’t buy their products until they offer a grovelling apology and beg governments to shred their copyright legislation.

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     I knew it.  Internet creator said that internet was build for purpose of being always accessible.  There we go it’s still possible.

    P.S.   Use hotspot shield elite.  Recommended by me (c)

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    in the furure we will have P.O. boxes and have to ship burned data to each other and then on to the next guy like a pirate net flicks LOL…

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  • VPNfan

    If you choose a VPN, be careful to watch out two things :
    Firstly, the level of privacy: the VPN allows you to increase your online privacy because nobody can be able to determine your identity. Although, there are various levels of security: it’s the encryption. When you use a VPN, your connection is encrypted with an encryption key, within a VPN protocol. For example, the OpenVPN protocol enables a longer encryption key as the PPTP. Besides this solution is also more expensive.
    Secondly, the available VPN servers: aside from unblocking the US TV websites, the VPN has the potential to unblock all the others geo-blocked sites. This only depends on the available server location. Be careful to determine the locations that you need before to choose the service.
    To sum up, use a comparison engine as start vpn for example.

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  • J P

    Be very careful who you do business with VPN provider wise

    I got a year subscription with this VPN provider  https://torrentprivacy.com/ and the VPN has went down for days now and I have months left on my subscription

    Countless attempts with emails to “customer service” and no reply

    Their forum is full of this even though research online shows great reviews for them

    I have ruled out ISP blocking and isn’t not my firewall /router

    The company is very happy to take your money and then never have anything to do with you again

    Do be careful before subscribing to service provider like this and I HIGHLY do NOT recommend  https://torrentprivacy.com/

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=542810265 Johannes Heim

    not all vpn providers do keep logs, as simple as that.
    in europe, like some already pointed out, the consumer is protected a lot. that is especially true for online stuff of all sorts.
    there are so many providers out there, like okayfreedom.com and such, which protect their users. it`s in their philosophy to do so and the law is behind them as well. 

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