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165 French File-Sharers Now On 3rd Strike, “iTunes Up 22.5%”

The French authority responsible for administering the country’s anti-filesharing operations reports that it has now sent out more than 736,000 “first strike” and 62,000 “second strike” infringement warnings, with a total of 165 Internet account holders now on their third and final strike. Meanwhile, a report set to be published by IFPI next week will suggest that Hadopi is a success that has contributed to a 22.5% increase in purchases from iTunes.

In January 2010, the French authorities put in place what they believed would be the solution to the problematic issue of unauthorized online file-sharing.

Their so-called “three strikes” or “graduated response” scheme would see Internet account holders receive an official warning should their IP addresses be linked to uploads of infringing material on file-sharing networks such as BitTorrent.

Hadopi, the agency tasked with administering the system, started sending out the initial warnings in October 2010 and has periodically provided stats on how many first, second and third strike notices have been issued.

Using the latest available data, PC Inpact‘s Marc Rees has created some graphs showing the progression of the scheme since the delivery of those first warnings some 15 to 16 months ago.

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The first chart above shows that as of November 2011, 736,000 “first strike” emails had been delivered to Internet subscribers. Hadopi president Marie-Françoise Marais previously reported that September had seen the agency send out its 650,000th notice.

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Chart two shows the number of “second strike” notices sent to Internet subscribers. Rather than via email, these are delivered to individuals by traditional recorded delivery mail. The latest data shows that 62,000 of these notices were delivered to November 2011, up from just under 20,600 delivered by July 2011 and 44,000 by September 2011.

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The third graphic shows the number of Internet account holders being held responsible for a total of three online copyright infringements. As of November 2011, 165 subscribers were on their third and final strike, up from 60 citizens two months earlier in September.

But the big question, however, is whether the warnings are causing the French to swap a file-sharing habit for one which involves spending money with official outlets. Next week the big labels will support a study which claims that is indeed happening.

According to Numerama, next Monday the IFPI will publish a study which will apparently show that during the last 18 months the Hadopi environment has led to a 22.5% increase in purchases from iTunes and an extra 13.8 million euros for the French market. We’ll certainly be taking a closer look at these figures when they become available.

In September 2011 it was revealed that Hadopi asked the French Ministry of Culture for 12 million euros to finance its operations in 2012. It was granted 11 million euros.

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  • Guest

    Seems people on 1 and 2 strikes are learning the value of a VPN

    Crazy that’s it come to this, encrypting your own traffic to keep American fucking corporations from destroying access to a vital 21st century utility … cunts

    • Anon

      This has nothing to do with America. Stop blaming Americans for everything. The French put this system in place out of their own accord.

      • Danny

        The French put this in place after being bullied by the MAFIAA you mean.

        • Anonymous

          it has also to do with the first lady being a “singer”

          I’d say pussy is even more convincing than bribes from the MAFIAA

        • Anonymous

          Hey, Carla looks better than Sarkozy in every single way… (even though it’s sort of a bribe though). Guess who will divorce when the election is lost.

        • PRedator

          Ya but the Mafia is not American with the exception of time Warner that has a Canadian CEO though.

      • Mr. Putin

        Since it article talks of IFPI I think “American fucking corporations” seems fair to mention.

        And America thinks they rule the world when it comes to piracy ^_^

        • OMGWTFBBQ

          Not just piracy, they think they own the world completely.

          But the graphs im seeing there are just a straight line. Giving no indication of an event that triggered more customers. Call me crazy but this looks like a very natural line consistent with what you would expect from normal growth. And without data from all the different VPN services and that of all the torrent sites about visitors from France this is a hollow and unfounded statement. Also i think it is typical of these kind of policy makers to contribute the growth of an already booming business to a policy they made that sends out pieces of paper… Basically claiming it is them that is making iTunes popular!? WTF.

      • It’s a fit-up

        I bet you still believe in faeries, Santa and unicorns too.

        • PossumMonkey

          You can’t say ‘Santa’. Coke own that.

        • It’s a fit-up

          @PossumMonkey
          I would laugh but I’ve a horrible feeling you might be correct.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000291242845 Jack O’Neill

        As much as I love my country, it is a fact that America (and American companies) have been lobbying foreign governments to pass these sort of laws. It even goes to the extent of bullying.

        http://www.iptegrity.com/index.php/france/593-hollywoods-hadopi-lobbying-outed-in-french-embassy-cables

        http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-57353142-501465/sopa-like-law-passes-in-spain-u.s-allegedly-involved/

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UJ4XRIA3A3E6MYGK755EGWLN4Q Dani A

        it has plenty to do with america… We are reaping the benefits of the french laws…. Much of that music and movies and what not? american made… that rise in share? A large percentage goes straight in to america.

    • Anon

      This has nothing to do with America. Stop blaming Americans for everything. The French put this system in place out of their own accord.

    • Guest

      This has everything to do with America – the Parasite Empire

      Read a wikileaks cable? These pricks are trying to stitch up the ownership of information, an infinite commodity built on thousands of years of human endeavour

      I don’t care if you added 0.000001% to the knowledge base, you were only able to do it because of the 99.99999% who came before you. Enjoy contributing, enjoy influencing the trajectory of the human race and stop whining “What’s in it for me???” History is what’s in it for you, being great or being small, not being resource fucking saturated

      Information is humanities phenotype for crawling out of the mud and I’ll be damned if I’m going to let some fat, rich, white cunts tax the rest of us just because they say they can

      • Awesome!

        +1000

      • PlatinumC

        Ditto

      • PelouzeTF

        knowledge is one thing. Theft of IP is another. Since when was sharing in films, music, games and software created by another company “knowledge” ?

        “I must share the latest Lady Gaga track because its knowledge” holy LOL.

        • IDIOCRACY

          Since when is it not knowledge?? and if so what is it then?? what semantics are you gonna spill here.

          Blue Planet from BBC = knowledge
          Earth from BBC = knowledge
          The planets from BBC = Knowledge
          Stephen Hawking The Universe = Knowledge

          Sting = Knowledge & ART
          Pink Floyd = Knowledge & Art
          Bob Marly = Knowledge & ART
          some of U2 = Knowledge…. hehe no art
          David Bowie = ART

          Titanic (first one, not the recent rubbish from hollywood) = knowledge.

          I could go on here forever.. (slow computer and not that fast typer :)

          so….which knowledge is nowadays not created by a company?

          so the free choice in knowledge is only for those who can afford it (money wise) ?
          Does that mean that someone else is going to dictate what we can and cannot read, see, hear? Do you know how rich Rembrandt was? he was poor, and HE was a REAL artist, you cannot copy him 100% (eventhoug some chinese painters do a marvelous job, luckily you pay them for their hours of work and materials only and not for the “copyrighted image”.)

          So please, I am not so smart so can you explain to me the difference between interlectual property and knowledge (which should by definition be free available to all people of this earth).

          oh and someone might have said this to you already, but maybe you are like me not so smart and not like me unable to learn, but where comes theft of IP in sharing?? dp people steal the original and only copy and pass it around for 1 person to see at the time??? I will teach you… NO it is a COPY that is shared and copied again and again and again… so there is no theft.

          ok enough feeding the troll… but I missed the trip to the zoo with the kids and they could feed the seals… so I though….. well. you know.. :P

        • Guest

          I beg to differ on the specifics IDIOCRACY

          Sting = CRAP
          Pink Floyd = SHIT
          Bob Marly = JUNK
          some of U2 = GARBAGE
          David Bowie = RUBISH.

          Save for this ART is knowledge.

          Let’s kill them all!

        • PelouzeTF

          “Since when is it not knowledge?? and if so what is it then?? what semantics are you gonna spill here…………………etc etc etc”

          I really think you believe that garbage you just typed.

        • Floppy Copy

          You cannot fight nature and win. Sharing IS nature, human nature. It’s just how we’re made. Might as well tell people to stop breathing for all the good it will do you. What people share and the infinite means through which they’ll do it is completely irrelevant. So make all the laws you want because it’s not going to change a damn thing. Even if you enslaved every human currently residing on this planet, you wouldn’t stop them from sharing. So go ahead and stand in the path of the hurricane. Try demanding that it stop in it’s tracks and go away. See how far that gets you, then come back to post your results… if you can.

    • Predator

      “a report set to be published by IFPI next week will suggest that Hadopi is a success that has contributed to a 22.5% increase in purchases from iTunes.”

      Ya! Riiiiiiggggght!

      The IFPI? Are you fucking kidding me? What a pack of liar! Don’t you have a more reliable source of information?

      There is no reason for the Adopi to increase the sale of music. On the contrary I have very sure that ADOPI encourage the boycott.

      FREE HANA BESHARA!

      • Ven

        Still, even a 10% increase in Itunes sales from Hadopi would be a huge success for the program, at least from their perspective.

        • Guest

          This is obviously another lie. Of course there is no increase in Itune sale!

          And even if it was how can you attribute this to Adopi?

          Let’s kill them all!

    • Anon

      HAHA yeah FROGS what can you do with them…they pass a law then the French VPN business went into a boom time…now if you check the interests of French politicians I would be willing to bet some of them will be connected to VPN companies.

      I wish I had thought of it become a politician and own a VPN company pass a law to make millions of people buy VPN accounts…the French have all the angles. They can get the Americans to say thank you come for a visit to the whitehouse while at the same time make a fortune!!!! WIN WIN FOR THE FROGS!!!!

      VIVE LA FRANCE!

    • PelouzeTF

      Vital utility lol. How exactly is it “vital” to the vast majority of users ?

    • Appletope

      Don’t be a dick

    • Appletope

      What the fuck do you think is going to happen in the future now that filesharing is killing the movie industry? No more movies you cuntbag. You are a fucking piece of shit.

      • Guardianx13

        Really? Oh that’s the reason why Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie basically live in Africa, they are broke because of filesharing sites.

      • http://twitter.com/xPreatorianx xPreatorianx

        ROFLMAO! Filesharing isn’t killing the movie industry. Your fucking nuts. Every week movies make well in excess of 10 or even 20 million dollars in ticket sales alone! So get your facts straight, dumbass.

    • Predator

      FREE HANA BESHARA!

  • James

    What’s iTunes?

    • PlatinumC

      I think its the prequel to iQuit

      • Predator

        Shuuuutttt! You are going to be sued for trade mark infringment by Apple!

        • PlatinumC

          Oh noeez *runs away and hides*

  • Alex

    Do you think OVH french servers are receiving these letters too? As I am using a seedbox from them.

    • Chilly8

      Maybe not OVH itself,but the customers connected to them are, specifically anonymity services.

  • TinFoilHatter

    More avenues of digital content delivery are needed – if the industry cant provide them, someone else will.

    I look forward to picking the holes in this no-doubt flawed, one sided and tenuous study.

    • PelouzeTF

      How many content delivery methods do you need ? Plenty of legit ways to buy content….or are you just talking about ways to obtain that material without paying lol?

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        No, Peloser, there aren’t…. none that are not OVERPRICED for the internet age and do not take into account that there are no shipping, store space, hard product, etc. costs.

        • PelouzeTF

          Overpriced ??? digital media has barely, if at all, increased in price for 20 years.

          The equivalent VHS tape was more than $20 a copy in the mid 80′s. nowadays, a brand new blueray is $20. If media had increased with inflation like most goods, DVD’s should be $40 plus by now. So with or without packaging its still cheaper to buy today than nearly 30 years ago.

  • ndmushroom

    I’m looking forward to the report. In the meantime, it would be useful to have past Itunes growth, both in France and in other countries, handy. Sure, a 22,5% increase in iTunes sales sounds like a big deal. Then again, iTunes gained 6 billion song downloads globally in 18 month (from 10b in February 2010 to 16b in October 2011), which represents an increase of 60%. I bet 22,5% doesn’t seem such a big number now, does it?

    • Christophe Thomas

      good point … just to add – with a budget of 12 Mio HADOPI must have created some jobs (iTunes wont – the 22 % increase will just disappear in the shareholders pockets w/o creating anything at all not art nor jobs ) – so it s true piracy doesn’t destroy job – it creates – well at least a few in France.

      • ndmushroom

        I don’t think unemployment figures are that high for french lawyers, though… :-)

      • Ven

        Generally money in shareholder’s pockets does create jobs as they turn around and spend it.

  • Guest

    Its good to see Hadopi is working so well and resulting in increased sales. Now Hadopi needs to be implemented in other countries too.

    • Danny

      No it does not inidcate that Hadopi is doing anything.

      22% of nothing is still nothing. We need to see the actually details of the figures and look at the growth of iTunes from before hadopi (and before the financial crisis) to be able to see the true value of these claims.

      • James

        I don’t think you’re supposed to look at the figures intelligently. It’s for politicians and we all know how stupid they are.

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      …during the last 18 months the Hadopi environment has led to a 22.5% increase in purchases from iTunes and an extra 13.8 million euros for the French market.

      How much has the digital market been growing in the last few years, per year? Considering that in the last 18 months the natural growth would be something near the year before, how much of that can actually be credited to HADOPI itself?

      I’ll answer that:
      http://www.ifpi.org/content/section_resources/dmr2010.html
      http://www.ifpi.org/content/section_resources/dmr2009.html

      25% growth on digital sales 2008-2009
      17% growth 2009-2010

      Official data. Yes, HADOPI is a smashing success since it made digital sales increase 22% alone, right? Go back to your cave now mr troll. [edit] Note that it’s 22% in 18 months and I’m using the yearly growth. Adds another layer of fail to HADOPI.

      • Danny

        Thanks ninja for the figures verification.

        So in reality Hadopai has had no discernible effect, just as we all suspected!

        • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

          Actually HADOPI is a bless. For whoever is not French.

          If you assume those 22% were all due to HADOPI, the money went to… APPLE! Ding, non-French company.

          If you ignore the 22% and turn to how many ppl went VPN/circumvention services then there’s a lot of money going to this ‘new’ market. Ding, most are non-French companies.

          The French Govt should sponsor a new French version of The 3 Stooges starring Sarkozy as the lead actor. And to be coherent they should hire HOLLYWOOD to film and hold the copyrights. Non-French for the epic fail.

      • Anonymous

        also it is helpful that the additional revenue is just ever so slightly above the cost of hadopi

        • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

          Crowdsourcing, I’ll leave the $$ figures to my fellow TF readers! But I suspect it won’t even cover the money spent on HADOPI. I mean, ok, it generate $13M in revenues to iTunes. And iTunes is FRENCH, right?

          But, wait, Apple pays taxes in France for each sale so I’m sure these taxes paid the money spent in HADOPI, right?

          Glorious, friend anon, I hereby issue a call-to-arms to my TF friends (including Ernesto and Enigmax): how much did this generate to France and how much did it cost? What’s the final balance sheet results?

        • Guest

          Actually I think, iTunes is not in France but in Luxembourg, so they don’t pay any taxes in France.

    • Guest

      I’m not sure if there’s supposed to be a sarc mark on this one

    • http://twitter.com/xPreatorianx xPreatorianx

      Fuck that shit! Hadopi doesn’t need to be implemented anywhere.

      Damn I hate these Pro MAFIAA retards.

  • This

    So the French tax payers have spent 11 million euros to generate an extra 13.8 million euros for Apple and the Hollywood MAFFIA….

    Way to go Sarkozy!

    • Danny

      I bet Steve is rubbing his hands down there!

      • PossumMonkey

        I don’t think he has hands any more…just wet stumps.

    • Muso

      BREAKING NEWS: Apple is funding Hadopi.

      If I were with any of the other distribution companies, I’d be filing suit for unfair competition.

  • Kevin

    Wait.. Wait.. Wait… I don’t own and never will own an Apple product, so how the fuck do they expect me to buy music? Fuck the Corporate parasites, I will never buy music again. I can’t believe people actually pay for music in this day and age, unbelievable..

    • HollywoodAnna

      Well you can install iTunes on Windows, if you really want to. Not sure why anyone would want to install a walled-garden rather than using the far simpler built-in method of Drag & Drop. Note: Drag & Drop functionality is also available in numerous flavours of *NIX Window Managers (iTunes isn’t. Thankfully).

      • Guest

        Are you fucking crazy? Itunes is the worlds most popular malware.

        Most Apple zealots don’t even know what a UDID is, and when you try and tell them, they act all nonchalant, like it isn’t the biggest fucking invasion of privacy yet invented.

        • Rotten to the Quad Core

          “Itunes is the worlds most popular malware”

          Windows. iTunes a close 2nd.

          Both are “#2.” XD

      • Zig

        Not sure how running a media player constitutes a ‘walled garden’. I don’t have to buy music from the iTMS to use iTunes to play back my media. In fact, Amazon’s mp3 downloader is scripted to automatically add music you buy from them to your iTunes library should you choose to enable that option. iTunes also allows drag n drop functionality to add music. I think that’s how I’ve added ALL my music except for any tracks purchased from Amazon.

        But a good alternative to iTunes I’ve found, particularly for Windows where iTunes can run like a bag of spanners, is Songbird. Decent FOSS app which runs across all major platforms (Mac/WIn/Linux) and has a bunch of nice plug-in support for different devices, formats, search engines etc… worth a look if you hate iTunes ;)

        • Anonymous

          itunes is easily one of the worst media players out there

        • Ven

          Winamp is still king of the alternatives. It can do everything Itunes does, except connect the the Itunes store (boo hoo). Winamp also doesn’t place useless processes on your system that tie up resources as long as you have Itunes installed.

          It really is malware.

        • Danny

          No one uses Winamp any more.
          Get with the times Ven!

        • Zig

          @Ven

          One thing WinAMP can’t do is manage your media library efficiently, particularly if it’s quite large. ;p

          I seem to remember installing WinAMP at some point in the past and it actually installing a bunch of crapware, some being the ‘ad’ kind and some the ‘mal’ kind.

          The single worst media player I’ve ever had the misfortune to use is WindowsMediaSlayer. Following close on its heels has to be Real.

        • Turn Up the Radio

          Songbird = Firefox Media Player :) Tie for best with VideoLAN/VLC. :D

          Winamp sucks because it’s been co-opted by AOL Time Weiner. If you’d still rather run Winamp try AIMP as it’s an open-source alternative (from the copyright-agnostic commies in Russia XD) built from the original Nullsoft code base that formed the early versions of Winamp.

          Most any media player app (except Windows Mediocre) can add files to your iPod IF it’s set in “Disk Mode,” that is, as a pseudo-USB device that you can even put other files on without affecting the player functionality. iPod Touch and iPhone, unfortunately, don’t offer this option, at least not as of last I checked; it only works with regular iPods like the Classic and Nano.

          Not sure if there exists a dedicated media player (like the iPod) that plays FOSS formats like .flac and .ogg. Would appreciate it if someone could put up a link. :)

  • Mr. Putin

    I don’t understand… the first stats (http://torrentfreak.com/images/hadopistat1.jpg) show that it would have been 21% increase without the 3rd stikes.. :S

  • Danny

    I think the interesting thing about the graphs is that there is steady growth of each of the ‘strikes’ data indicating that this is not deterring anyone from filesharing. In fact the first strikes seem to be accelerating slightly.

    • PlatinumC

      Well it’s not like every single sharer gets the “strikes” so it could affect the accuracy of the data as well ( especially if copywrong people are the ones providing it).

    • PlatinumC

      Umm that made me sound like I’m on their side lol *Insert-frowny-face-here*

    • Ven

      No it means they are increasing the number of strikes they send. It really doesn’t show how people are responding to it at all.

      • Danny

        Yes but can you see how I put two irrelevant pieces of information together and make my point?

        This is exactly what hadopai have done with this claim!

  • James

    I still don’t get this iTunes thing! Why?

    • Barry White

      In the same way. I don’t get this WinAMP thing, why? I don’t get this WindowsMediaPlayer thing, why? I don’t get this thing, why?

      Maybe because the software has a use. Or do you mean you don’t get the iTunes Music Store thing? Because that’s a completely different thing. ;)

      • Guest

        This software has zero use. Its a malware.

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        Just enjoy the taste of the irony man…

  • kenkus

    Hadopi may have led to increased sales but still it’s quite extraordinary way to promote legal digital content distribution service options. It is in a way fair as it urges people to find any other options – in case there are options.

    • James

      There aren’t options. There is an option. Buy Apple or else. This is unacceptable. I always carefully explain to people why NOT to use Apple or iTunes. The more I educate, the better for everyone.

      • kenkus

        I periodically survey for legal options and I was surprised to realise that there are options (other than iTunes Store) in my country to purhase national content online.

        A problem for me is that I only consume foreign content which still is either unavailable online or available online but not in my country.

        I do not own an iDevice but I actually like (the idea of) distribution platforms as iTunes Store. Maybe some day we will have plenty of great distribution services world wide.

      • Barry White

        There ARE options. Many of them. iTunes Music Store is one option. We7 is another, Play.com is another, HMV is another, Amazon is another, buying direct from independent artists is another.

        It’s just that the mainstream record companies have fought long and hard against the provision of any online service because they wanted to control the distribution channels by selling physical media. Unfortunately for them Apple took the initiative and have succeeded greatly for the record labels’ shortsightedness. But there definitely are options. Sometimes the lawful options don’t have the music you particularly want, once again because of the record companies pissing about and restricting licenses across different territories in order to control distribution – and that’s where the file-sharing scene comes into its own. It fills in the gaps in service artificially created by the music industry’s control freakery and lets the fans gain access to the music the labels want to block. Record label licensing, eh? It’s a complete effin’ mystery to anyone who loves music.

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  • Anonymous

    iTunes sales up? Must be because of Hadopi!

    post hoc ergo propter hoc

  • Guest

    165! In the span of two years! Sounds like a hallmark of efficiency if I ever saw one!

    • Viking

      Do you really think they will dare to cut the Internet from let say 10 000 people?
      Frenchmen have decapitated their rulers for less….

      • Guest

        I suppose ever since they passed it through it’s become a sort of ‘pick your poison’. A slow death by the frustrations of citizens having to fund this inefficient garbage, or a quick one by the frustrations of citizens having their infrastructure instantly smashed to bits.

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        Guest was being ironic. But your comment is gold. Sarkozy should be careful ;)

      • DannyUfonek

        I think we’ll see something like a revolution. You see, history repeats itself, with very cruel sarcasm.

    • Ven

      More than likely they will take about a dozen of the 165 to the final step and cut them off or fine them. Set an example. Then, once the public sees they aren’t bluffing, they will start to send more notices.

      At every step, they are most likely only moving forward with the slam dunk cases that they know won’t come back as a PR nightmare for the program.

      • Zig

        PR nightmare? Like having IPs from the Elysee Palace linked to file-sharing? Seems they just ignore it LOL

  • Xor

    11 Million of tax to generate 13 million for apple? of which 10%? is taxed.

    Seems like a net loss of 10.87 million for the government.

    • Guest

      Sarkozy must be very proud of the results.

    • Defred

      In an economic austerity environment, do not forget. Clearly there’s a clever agenda from these brillant folks…

    • Ven

      Mister, I don’t know where you are getting your math, but illegal file sharing is costing rights holders hundreds of billions of dollars each year, and Hapido is stopping it like Hapido is the Supremes and file-sharing is the name of love.

  • Tiger97a

    you can make anything look good on paper, but if you really break down the cost of this you can see this has cost the tax payers of france a lot of money, the first lady of france also owns the company that is doing all of the bragging so she and the president is getting rich twice off this as they are all so getting paid under the table for using this hair brain rip off by the music and movie people.

    this is worse then the sopa and other crap tht they want to use here but we told them and showed them whats what yesterday didn’t we.
    did all see how mad ole dodd was i laughed my butt off at him as he just thought this was in the bag didn’t he.

  • freeeed

    the problem with hadopi is the ip. in the beginning of tyhe year, a site said that some movies, music, etc… were dl by the Elysee (where President lives) and they have proof by the IP address. But the Elysee said that was not possible and the ip are not trusted. So to stop people, they used ip but when the elysee is on the ip, the elysee was cleaned. It is not logical and I think we have a serious problem with Hadopi.
    I am french, that is why I that (and why my english are not good :) )
    They say that Hadopi is good and reduce the illegal download but less people use p2p so that is bullshit.

  • Guest

    Isn’t this move diverting money from the French economy to an American corporation? Bon travail hommes.

  • Je ne parle pas francais

    I thought “The French” meant “The Free”

    Way to disprove your own name, Francais. Liberty is only for your American masters now?

    • Safawre

      Americans elect their heads of state through local representatives while the French elect them directly. Remind me who has more liberty?

  • Guest

    There is no way to actually prove that strike warning has contributed to increase in sales new albums were released in that time frame duh.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

    The figures mean whatever they want them to mean
    The system is automated and the cost of emails next to zero so the very fact the number of first strike emails has gone up 3 fold in the same period would suggest sharing is alive and well 20k to 60k first strike notifications would imply a 300% increase in p2p traffic and thats not counting new vpn traffic. If would be far more logical to suggest that it is this increase in p2p traffic that has given rise to the 22% increase in download sales as people discover artists new to them via p2p.

    In other words, the increase in legal downloads is in spite of Hadopi not because of it.

  • Meh

    Meh, I would never buy tracks. Ok, can’t say never, but not until they reduce the price to $0.10 or $0.20 per track. $1 per track is too much for me.
    Or ok, if $0.10 or $0.20 per track is way too much to reduce, then why can’t they sell their tracks for $0.50? Ok, so a random album:
    http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/best-of-chicane/id343716004

    So, $0.99 per track. But if I buy all the tracks, then I can get them for $9.99. And then the price of a track is $0.55. But why can’t they sell it for $0.55 per track. If I just want a single track.
    And there another thing that’s disturbing me, is that they’re not converting dollars to euros. So, if I want to buy a track, the price remains €0.99. But 1 dollar equals 0.77€. So it should be 0.77€.
    And I was just browsing through the stores. Why has $0.99 or €0.99 become a standard price everywhere? I mean, is it a deal between the stores or between the artists/producers?

    And on the meantime, we’ve got Grooveshark (which I’ve been using for a quite a while. It offers a great service for FREE of charge. And if I would ever get myself a smartphone, I guess I would get their subscription aswell). I’m actually wondering why people don’t move to Grooveshark or similar services, if they’re afraid to download or something. I guess I would. Definitely at the current prices.
    And there’s also YouTube, where you can make playlists (yes, they do take down the tracks, but how long will it last? I mean.. they won’t do it forever. When they take it down, two more appear.)
    And there are other great services aswell out there. Personally I would prefer to get the track for free, and if I want to support the artist/producer, I will just donate to him. Every artist should have a Paypal button on their page.
    To be honest, file-sharing actually helps the artists. People discover their tracks and go to their shows. And if artist sells his CDs on the tour, with autograms on it, people will buy it. It’s awesome to buy directly from the artist.

    Sorry for my English, hehe. Not a British or American :)

    • Ven

      I recommend buying physical CDs off of Amazon. I grabbed a 2-CD set for $5 there because it was sitting in a warehouse taking up space several years after release. Trying to buy that same set (less all the artwork and physical copies and higher quality audio) through Amazon’s digital sales site would have cost me $27, because there they charge by the track.

      The reason these systems work so well is that most people are interested in singles, which only cost them a few dollars to scoop all of them off a single.

      Amazon is a great place to watch for sales as well. But trying to buy retail price digital tracks is ridiculous. Still hasn’t caught up to the physical market’s ability to have overstock end up in a bargain bin.

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    France is pwned by MAFIAA and their paid-for political puppet Sarkozy – but the French people are NOT so pwned.

    Vote for freedom, and vote for your children’s future. It’s easy to do (whilst we still have the vote).

  • Pschopath123456789

    How many strikes is the french president house up to?

  • Pschopath123456789

    How many strikes is the french president house up to?

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      Way past 3 from the last TF detective job. It’s too bad, they can’t read this because they are disconnected =( not…

  • PlatinumC

    They should call it a stroke not a strike, because every time you hear something like this, your head goes WTF, this kind of shit can’t be happening, and you get a stroke.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000291242845 Jack O’Neill

    Awesome. So they claim causation when they haven’t even shown, let alone proven, a correlation.

    Nevermind that, though. Let’s break down the numbers we have available.

    So, there are nearly 800k people on their first strike, an imperial buttload of people on their second strike and jack all on their third.

    So what do these numbers mean, exactly? The IFPI might argue that it’s evidence HADOPI is working. As in most people that receive a first strike notice invariably cease their illegal(see disclaimer) activity. I disagree and there are a few theories swimming around in my head.

    The first that came to my mind is that HADOPI is a fishing expedition. One in which they catch a fish, toss it out at the end of the day and return the next to different spot in which to try and catch it again. That is until the fish is caught for a third time, at which point it is filleted alive. At any rate…

    Odds of recapture.

    If while deep sea fishing, you catch a fish and throw it back. What are your odds that you’ll catch that same fish the next day? I’m not going to bother doing the math, you need not be a mathematician to see that the odds would be against you. Even more true is trying to catch the same fish three times. It is possible, personal I’ve caught the same fish 12 times in a few hours. But I cheated. It was a stock pond(a miniature lake/large pond in a field, this one in a grove/orchard, that contains fish). But everytime I threw the fish back, I would place my bait exactly where I figured the fish to be. I was no more than 10 at the time. It appeared to everyone else that I had simply been the greatest fisherman alive, seeing as I’d caught about 6 times as many fish as everyone else. Of course they were not aware of my evil scheme. But I digress. The point is, that you’re not likely to catch the same fish twice, let alone three times in normal situations. Even moreso when the fish are sentient and capable of learning. The numbers would seem to represent this. This is just an assumption. Since I have not done the numbers to know exactly what the odds are, I can not compare them to the results. I’ll let some math professor do that.

    Sentient fish capable of learning.

    This aren’t just stupid fish. They’re humans, they’re intelligent and highly adaptive. Yes, there’s a lot of really fucking stupid people out there, some might suggest 62k. But that’s irrelevant here. The point is, if someone gets caught. There’s a good chance that they’ll learn from the mistakes they’ve made and make efforts to change that with varying degrees of success(62k failures?). This could mean anything from swimming in different areas to using various methods in order to avoid detection and yes, even to sprout legs and get the hell out of the water. Without doing time consuming research, I can not say with any certainty which methods the majority has chosen. Never the less, without comparing numbers, this can not be used to show correlation, let alone causation. To be able to get a better idea of what is happening, we need to look not just at the growth numbers for the music industry during a small window of 18 months. But you need to take into consideration the what the growth was like the years preceding HADOPI and proceeding HADOPI as well as the growth estimates before and after. But wait, we’re not finished with our research. If the evidence shows a correlation of growth with HADOPI, you still need to prove causation. The best way to do this would be to analyze the growth of alternative means of piracy. Be it werez (direct downloads from sites like Megashare) or the utilization of privacy technology such as VPNs. You will also need to look at the torrents, see if there is growth or shrink there as well. And again, you need to compare all of this with the time before HADOPI and the time afterwards.

    The second theory, now brace yourself for this: CONSPIRACY!

    Yes, I’m going there because conspiracy is a valid theory. Conspiracies happen all of the time. The U.S. government, specifically the Department of Justice(DoJ) and possibly even the President, has recently been caught with their pants down in a large conspiracy known as Operation Fast & Furious. For those that haven’t heard of it, no I’m not making this crap up and no, it’s not about cars. Summary: F&F was a DoJ sting operation involving the ATF and guns. This operation was seriously botched resulting in the death of several Law Enforcement Officers(LEO) and countless Mexican and possibly American citizens. Likewise, Universal recently conspired against Megashare by way of issuing a blatantly false DMCA claim against Megashare’s intellectual property, in this case a music video named Mega Song. There are plenty of other examples of conspiracy orchestrated by governments and companies alike. But I’ll leave that to you as a homework assignment.

    By now you’re probably thinking, “just shutup and get to the point already.” Ok.

    The point

    The theory goes like this. The IFPI wants to tout HADOPI as a major success. But let’s assume that it’s undeniably a failure, and people keep getting caught after their first and second strikes. Now what is one of the best ways to success, aside from growth in online music purchases? A dwindling number of second and third strike recipients. But wait, there’s a catch! People just wont freaking stop. So what do you do? Simple, you ignore a lot of the second and third offenders while passing out first strikes like candy. This inflates the numbers of first offenders while de-emphasizing the numbers of second and third offenders. This would in turn make it appear as though people are ‘learning their lesson’ so to speak and ‘turning to the light.’ While in reality, it is merely content producers fudging the numbers to appear positive.

    Conclusion

    We have only conjecture and don’t really know anything. Yes, I just wrote a book to say we know nothing. But I wanted to explain why that is, even if I did so poorly. Without further data we can not come to any solid conclusions. But my theory, and again it’s just conjecture, is that the data presented does not show HADOPI as a success, but rather a failure. At first glance it appears to be working, but after scratching the surface a bit, it looks like piracy in France hasn’t actually slowed down.

    Apologies

    I am sorry if this is horribly written. I have ADHD and due to an overabundance of stress in my life, I have more or less forgotten how to focus my mind. So my thoughts are all over the place and I have to keep pausing every thirty seconds and straighten them out. But I wanted to get this out of my head. Furthermore, I do apologize to those of you that may be offended by swearing. I have a tendency to make sailors blush with my swearing, and no, I’m not just using that as a cliche, I’ve known vulgar sailors to blush at my swearing! I’ve tried to replace what I could find, but I may have missed some. Though I am a terrible ‘potty mouth,’ I do try to consider other people’s feelings when talking. But only where appropriate, like right now.

    Sources

    Operation Fast & Furious
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Fast_and_Furious

    Mega Song
    http://torrentfreak.com/megaupload-youtube-and-the-dmca-less-mega-song-takedown-111216/

    Disclaimer
    I realize many of you feel that file sharing should be legal. However it does not change the fact that it is illegal in France(the nation that we are discussing). Thus illegal was the appropriate term to use. So please, let us not get hung up on words and judge my comment on the facts I’ve presented rather than on the terminology that I’ve used.

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      We are forgetting cyberlockers. Your Mega mention reminded me. Many must have turned to this solution as it’s easily found.

      Other than that, messily written but good comment you have here. Cheers!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000291242845 Jack O’Neill

        Isn’t Megashare a form of cyberlocker? I’m not really update on all the jargon these days. Damn you kids and your changing of languages every 2 nanoseconds! *shakes cane in the air*

        Thanks for the feedback!

    • DocGerbil100

      (from Jack’s comment)

      “The theory goes like this. The IFPI wants to tout HADOPI as a major success. But let’s assume that it’s undeniably a failure, and people keep getting caught after their first and second strikes. Now what is one of the best ways to success, aside from growth in online music purchases? A dwindling number of second and third strike recipients. But wait, there’s a catch! People just wont freaking stop. So what do you do? Simple, you ignore a lot of the second and third offenders while passing out first strikes like candy. This inflates the numbers of first offenders while de-emphasizing the numbers of second and third offenders. This would in turn make it appear as though people are ‘learning their lesson’ so to speak and ‘turning to the light.’ While in reality, it is merely content producers fudging the numbers to appear positive.”

      Jack, you’ve rambled on like a complete loony almost as badly as I do half the time, but it’s a good post with some excellent points. :)
      +1

  • Muso

    The French taxpayers are paying Hadopi to take out filesharers. So if I were a French citizen, some of my tax money would be going to snoop on me and throw a stern finger waggle in my direction? 11 million euros!! BUT, it generates 13.8 million euros for the French market. How about we give the 11 million to the French market and call it a day. Leave the filesharers alone. Or even better yet, how about we don’t, leave the 11 million in the pockets of the taxpayers and let them decide where to spend their money.

    • Wck2011

      Most pirated items come from the US. So it is our fault. However India is now doing he same bu most US is still on top for trying to end piracy online. But you can’t be hating on America. Stop taking our own content, foreigners and this won’t be a problem for you. Pirate your own country’s content, if you pirate US content expect our government rules. You can’t blame it all

      • Muso

        I don’t hate America. And if that’s the way you really feel, stop sharing your content with the rest of the world. Sharing? Polluting? Seems kinda odd that Americans download the occasional Bollywood flick, Sharing is global. The internet has no borders.

  • http://www.francky.me Franck Dernoncourt

    I wonder how many grandmas they’ll catch this time.

  • Some_Guy

    If my country was to implement such a system and I had my internet cut-off I wouldnt buy any media out of spite at being bullied, I can share a DVD if I buy it, why Can’t I share it online. Good Vpns cost around $20 for 3 months and give you access to the biggest media centre on earth(Internetz) whilst making sure no corporate F*** is looking over your shoulder making sure you’re funneling your money through them

  • Guest

    “Meanwhile, a report set to be published by IFPI next week will suggest that Hadopi is a success that has contributed to a 22.5% increase in purchases from iTunes.”

    These IFPI parasites really think we are stupid!

    Why would ADOPI increase the purchases from iTunes? May be they should think their lies more before they sound them.

    This absolutely does not make sense!

    Let’s kill them all!

  • Gae

    Even if the percentage increase in sales is accurate and fully as a result of Hadopi and itunes made 13 million euros more because of this (which considering the source of these figures, it is highly unlikely to be accurate), then it actually cost the French taxpayer 11 million euros so that itunes could make 13 million.
    That to me seems like nothing but a waste of time and misuse of taxpayer money.

  • http://twitter.com/al_d_25 booda dass

    but but.. i don`t want crappy itunes lol or any apple products

  • foff

    what Bs anyway there was an article on foxnews that megaupload was shut down.
    how about a report?

  • USrael

    harrrasing corporate whor3s

  • Anonymous

    I now wonder how many of these on their 3rd strike are looking to fight this law.

    So if Hadopi going to terminate their Internet connections if they now do it again? If so I can only then imagine the European Court of Justice echoing the United Nations in calling this a human rights violation and people awarded millions in damages.

    Well an iTunes take-up can be for many reasons and to understand the bigger picture we also need to look at increases in VPN and Cyberlocker subscriptions. You also have to wonder if the French economy has gained beyond this €11m cost?

  • Bill Lambert

    Riiight… because getting your internet access revoked by the IFPI is magically going to make you buy stuff on iTunes… wait, with no internet, how are you getting on iTunes ?

    Okay, I get that it’s a scare tactic, but what French users should be doing is BOYCOTTING ITUNES! Duh! If they let the IFPI/Hadopi get away with this, next year they they will have some other freedom taken from them, and so on until we fall back into the dark ages.

  • Paul K

    Would not iTunes have grown 22.5% over 18 months in any case?

  • Mwhahaha

    “an extra 13.8 million euros for the French market.”

    Well it might be more a case of an extra 13.8 million euros *away* from the French market depending what has been downloaded and where that money ultimately ends up.

    I know Apple isn’t a French company, and I’m going to take a guess and say a lot of the songs purchased in that 22.5% increase were by American or British artists and, if not then will have ultimately been produced by american companies for the large part.

    So with piracy, French citizens steal foreign media, meaning they have more money in their pockets to spend doing things locally or buying things locally, both of which will benefit the French economy more than having their euros drain away via servers into apple’s coffers.

    How is this a win for the French economy? The backhander from Apple etc must be massive for their Govt. OK so they might get some tax revenue off the sales, but it still removes most of the cash spent from the French economy.

    Would be interesting to see the take up rates for itunes in similar countries for the same time period.

    I’ll personally be back to using C60s to tape MW radio before I join itunes, who seem to think a 10 second track is worth the same as a 25 minute one and are happy selling the same things all over the world at vast different prices.

    Maybe once we get a proper global storefront for these things I might start to pay attention. Until then I’m afraid Lady Gaga will have to remain an unheard mystery to me.

  • Phil Landry

    I download on french communities, and nothing changed there. Still a lot of downloading. Vive le net libre!

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  • Dia

    13.8mil going to USA instead of French retailers and artists. Good job France.

  • Anon

    Report just in from the IFPI. Title reads, “Piracy Down: Don’t Worry We Found A Way to Beat the People Into Submission”.

  • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

    Correlation does not equal causation in the slightest.

  • Anon

    Personally I’d prefer to read the actual study before judging it. And I’d like to know who performed it to see if they had vested interests or not. The article only says that the IFPI is supporting it… of course the IFPI is supporting it, given what it says.

    Anyone know when we can see this study?

  • Ryan Farmer

    So, that’s 14 million Euros that have left France.

    14 million Euros that have gone to an American branding company that barely creates any jobs here in the US (Apple).

    14 million Euros that goes straight to the lawyers and managers at Apple and to the lawyers and good for nothings over at the RIAA/MPAA.

    France seems to have only succeeded in rewarding a bully, by giving the bully what they came there and corrupted THEIR government for.

    Shame on anyone that does business with companies that try to subvert and rig their legislative process. (That goes for SOPA supporters here in the US as well).

  • Jrhindo

    Bullshit. I am French and live there. Hadopi was made to catch the retards who click “FREE MUSIC NO BS BUT BE RAPED INTERNET POLICE”. Been a torrenter for 5 years and never seen any hint of Hadopi hindering my work, and if I do get ‘caught’ then Fuck ‘em I’ll move to Asia (this a global world no?).

  • AAAF

    Why can’t people grasp the simple concept of a VPN? There are plenty of cheap services out there that hand out quality connection and do not store logs, so in the event of legal action, you will still be protected.

  • http://www.frontier-space.com/ Lethn

    “traditional recorded delivery mail”

    I believe the term you are looking for is ‘Letters’ come on Torrentfreak! You’re better than that! >_<

  • Steve

    The total sales actually went down 5,6% during the first 9 months of 2011 in France:

    http://www.disqueenfrance.com/fr/catalogpage.xml?id=420906&pg=1&cat=251362

    It states here that the digital sales went up 22% but it is the total that you have to look at which is minus 5,6%. So the Hadopi law is not working at all…..

  • Elven_rangers

    Hadopi is a very fair and democratic law. It does not resemble in the slightest bit the output of a communist dictatorship.

  • http://twitter.com/ppmotskula Peeter P. Mõtsküla

    IF these numbers are true, then:

    Apple and its upstream (producers, artists, authors) gained 13.8 M€
    Music buyers and taxpayers were out of 13.8 + 11 = 24.8 M€.

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