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200,000 BitTorrent Users Sued In The United States

The avalanche of mass-lawsuits in the United States that target BitTorrent users has reached a new milestone. Since last year, more than 200,000 people have been sued for allegedly sharing copyrighted material online, and this number continues to expand at a rapid pace. Added up, the potential profit from the so-called pay-up-or-else scheme runs into the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Mass file-sharing lawsuits have been filed all across the United States in recent months, almost exclusively targeting BitTorrent users. Copyright holders have embraced this new revenue stream by the dozen and new lawsuits are being filed every week.

The United States judicial system is currently being overloaded with new cases, and a few days ago the number of targeted Internet subscribers in federal courts broke the 200,000 barrier.

Through these mass lawsuits the copyright holders are trying to obtain the personal details of (mostly) BitTorrent users who allegedly shared their material online. Once this information is handed over, they then offer the defendant the opportunity to settle the case for a few hundred up to a couple of thousand dollars, thereby avoiding a full trial and potentially even bigger financial penalties.

A fairly exhaustive spreadsheet shows that the current number of Does that have been sued since the beginning of 2010 currently stands at 201,828. Nearly all of the defendants are accused of sharing copyrighted files via BitTorrent, and 1,237 allegedly used the eD2k network.

Over the course of the year several cases have been dismissed and settled and the estimated number of defendants who are still at risk lies at 145,417.

Most defendants are being sued in the high profile case brought by the makers of The Hurt Locker. As of May this year this lawsuit targeted 24,583 alleged BitTorrent users, and the first batch of settlement letters have been sent out to the people who pay for the allegedly-infringing Internet connections.

Despite the massive number of defendants, none of the cases have made it into a full jury trial as the copyright holders ask for in their original complaint. This also means that the evidence they claim to hold has not been properly tested.

It is believed that a significant amount of the people who are accused in these cases are not the actual infringer. However, since the copyright holders prefer settlements above full trials and because defendants don’t want to risk a $150,000 fine, the accuracy of the evidence remains a mystery.

What’s very clear is that for the copyright holders, tracking companies and lawyers, the settlement scheme is extremely profitable. If half of the original defendants eventually settle for an average fee of $2,500 they would generate a quarter billion dollars in revenue – from piracy.

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  • Anonymous

    Welcome to the new Internet-evil.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VJLPXVKMOOY2EY7ADYRPJWRJNA Hrf Sa

      Here is a very nice co-mmunity
      ~~~~ Mil Cupid * C O M ~~~~

      It’s where sing-les looking for someone to enjoy their lifestyle with. Come in and stay a while. Complete your profile. Post a message, a picture of yourself and check out the photo galleries.

      Give it a try, you will find someone you like here – ;)

    • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

      It may however have a positive effect of getting everyone on to VPN’s, nullifying the new ISP agreement to spy on people for the MAFIAA and government censorship.

      • Ven

        Which will just speed the rate at which VPNs are decided to be detrimental to economic/political stability, and forced to play ball with law enforcement agencies.

        • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

          Yeah, this is inevitable unfortunately.

          Unless Anonymous can turn the tide.

        • Not Ven

          It can be difficult to change ISP’s, especially in areas where choices are limited. Changing VPN’s is easy though, and not limited by geography. If you’re not happy with the one you’re using, simply switch to one that is better. Good luck playing whack-a-mole when the moles become endless, and outlawing encryption has become as effective as stopping jay walkers.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          My question would be: “How?”

          Since every user is a potential VPN and spoofing an ip adress by script is a matter of mere minutes, I can’t see governments sinking three times their annual military budget on experienced hackers employed to hunt down and shut down whack-a-mole VPN’s.

          No, seriously, that’s not going to happen. And one mistaken takedown will result in big legitimate businesses and innocent private consumers suffering. Once you piss off BP, Exxon and Microsoft, how long do you think such legislation will last?

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          My question would be: “How?”

          Since every user is a potential VPN and spoofing an ip adress by script is a matter of mere minutes, I can’t see governments sinking three times their annual military budget on experienced hackers employed to hunt down and shut down whack-a-mole VPN’s.

          No, seriously, that’s not going to happen. And one mistaken takedown will result in big legitimate businesses and innocent private consumers suffering. Once you piss off BP, Exxon and Microsoft, how long do you think such legislation will last?

      • Anonymous

        the problem is that that really isnt positive from a governments perspective. The whole situation stinks of them not havign a clue about how they want the internet to develop. Its great for users that governments are forcing the people they are supposed to be serving into using proper security technology which will stop them from snooping and spying on their citizens.

    • John

      A book that changes everything…

      http://mises.org/daily/3298

    • http://randomsongoftheday.org Brian Burwell

      New? The entertainment industry has been the most litigious entity in this country for almost four decades now! It’s been suing people regularly ever since Betamax came out!

  • Anonymous

    Welcome to the new Internet-evil.

  • http://twitter.com/odishon Mutant Ninja Monkey

    US in a nutshell.. They have no money to pay off their debts but they have more the enough of the copyright mafioso who are stealing the common people blind.

    • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

      That’s why they call lawyers blood-suckers. And let’s not forget: Obama and Biden are both lawyers.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

        Every politician is a failed lawyer save the ones with actual brains such as Lofgren.

        • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

          Huh? Not every politician is a lawyer. That’s just silly.

      • Anonymous

        As of 2008, 81 Republicans and 123 Democrats in Congress list their occupation as “lawyer.” This doesn’t take into account the number who have JDs (238, according to this: http://en.allexperts.com/q/Legislation-Presidential-Congressional-337/lawyers-Congress.htm ) but claim a different profession.

        http://framedfathers.blogspot.com/2008/09/how-many-lawyers-in-congress-can-anyone.html

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/delyricist james
      • Jeff Bigman

        Well except for the fact that Obama lost his law license for reasons not made public.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TLMSR632TGJKQDDSP6ATNGVTVM Tony J.

          Yeah, I don’t think he really cares about his law license.

        • Standclear
        • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

          Really? Whoa, haven’t heard that one.

        • http://twitter.com/jovash jovas hobai

          It’s sad that with the internet at your fingertips you still spread retarded untrue things.

        • http://twitter.com/jovash jovas hobai

          It’s sad that with the internet at your fingertips you still spread retarded untrue things.

    • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

      Well all the self righteous twats who think are above paying for things certainly aren’t helping the econamy.

      • Anonymous

        i don”t know anyone who is “above paying for things”. could you be more specific?

        • Anonymous

          Much less know about this “econamy” thing. Is it something like an economy perhaps?

      • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

        Preach brother …. Preach….. One copy = One lost sale

        The “”econamy”" is screwed because of “”self righteous twats “” who copy worthless data rather than NOT buying it ……

        Holly Oh Shit……… I must be a copyright atheist…..

        • Bob

          Okay, maybe one copy doesn’t equal one lost sale, but I think it’s pretty clear that one copy equals some fraction that’s greater than zero.

          Quit being a cheap jerk. Music on iTunes is cheaper than coffee, a doughnut or practically anything else. Give the artist a break. Buy something like a honest person for a change.

          (And don’t use the perfidy of the major labels because the last time I checked, even the labels that are ripping off their artists are still giving the artists more money than the file “sharing” crowd.

        • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

          @Bob
          “”Quit being a cheap jerk. Music on iTunes is cheaper than coffee, a doughnut or practically anything else. Give the artist a break. Buy something like a honest person for a change.“”

          a. cheap relative to ? ( eg.. listening on the radio , spotify )

          b. I spend more money on music than the majority… I am a fan of electronic music.
          I probably spend £2000 per year AT LEAST… going to music events..
          What do non fans spend…. a couple of quid on itunes or 2 cds a year?
          Same for movie fans… who go to the cinema 50+ times per year…….

          c. “Honesty” lol … You be honest… if it can be copied endlessly at zero cost .. it is worthless… I wont buy worthless nor do lot’s of others…

          d. NOT EVERYONE can afford to buy worthless …. that’s reality…
          People have priority’s …. food , shelter , clothing , heating etc…
          Spending £1/1$ on a single music track is way down the list of priority’s……
          Fact is …the majority can’t even afford it…. By the time they make their way through the list of priority’s … they have nothing left…..

          Calling me or anyone a “”cheap jerk”" for not believing that copyright creates value is sad really….

        • Asd

          Bob, it doesn’t equal ANYTHING greater than zero because someone can download something when they NEVER intended and NEVER would have bought it. The amount of sales lost is actually zero.

          If someone only gets something because it is free, what makes you think they would pay for it when it costs something?

        • Guest123

          Asd, you’re making the assumption that they wouldn’t have bought it if it wasn’t free. I see no evidence to corroborate that claim. You can’t just say that every time someone pirates something, it was something they were unwilling to buy. The answer that seems more logical is that they pirate because it costs less, but they’d still buy if they couldn’t.

          Anoinoixa, at least for the United States and Western Europe, the good majority of people have some money available for luxuries, they just spend on other luxuries before music. I don’t buy that lack of ability to pay isn’t a major factor for most pirates. It’s true that they might not have enough for absolutely everything they want, but that’s a simple fact of life. It doesn’t look like an adequate justification.

      • http://www.facebook.com/chronoss.uha1 Chronoss Uha

        wrng if i dont give a fat rich prick who just offshores all our cash 100$ then i spend it locally and that gets taxed etc….GEE i know who i want ot give all the money too. USA USA USA ….BROKE OF A BROKE OF A

      • Anonymous

        Haven’t I pointed out to you before how you shouldn’t say the things you do because they show you for the hypocrite you are? “self righteous twats” [points at you] It applies just as easily to yourself as it does anyone else.

        And sorry to say, but some people not paying for something isn’t necessarily not helping the economy. Think of it like this, with a reasonably open and logical mind for a moment (that might be difficult, but give it a try), if someone has money they don’t spend on one thing then by default that is money they will spend on something else. That money is still in circulation and going into the economy. Just because it doesn’t go into one thing in particular doesn’t mean it’s not helping, specifically because it goes into something else which is helping. (Think about what you’re going to say before you say it. They teach that in elementary school. Give it a try and you won’t look like a “self righteous twat” as you so eloquently put it.)

        I went to Jack in the Box the other day. I was tempted to go to the local grocery store and buy a few things and have a homemade meal, but the drive was much further and to be honest, making a homemade meal (as in what I specifically wanted) required more effort/work than I was ready to give/do. My money did not go to the grocery store. But instead that money went to a fast food restaurant. So my money was still spent and put into the economy. It’s a shocker I know. But it’s true. My money went right into the economy anyway. (This has been an example presented to you by electric_worry. For further examples disproving some of the things people say, stay tuned. Because stupidity runs rampant in this day and age, which is remarkable given how much knowledge and information is out there and easily accessible, especially to those who have computers and internet connections. So the opportunity to present further examples will come up again sooner or later. And given the intelligence, or lack thereof, of some, it’s a much safer bet to say sooner rather than later.)

      • Anonymous

        Haven’t I pointed out to you before how you shouldn’t say the things you do because they show you for the hypocrite you are? “self righteous twats” [points at you] It applies just as easily to yourself as it does anyone else.

        And sorry to say, but some people not paying for something isn’t necessarily not helping the economy. Think of it like this, with a reasonably open and logical mind for a moment (that might be difficult, but give it a try), if someone has money they don’t spend on one thing then by default that is money they will spend on something else. That money is still in circulation and going into the economy. Just because it doesn’t go into one thing in particular doesn’t mean it’s not helping, specifically because it goes into something else which is helping. (Think about what you’re going to say before you say it. They teach that in elementary school. Give it a try and you won’t look like a “self righteous twat” as you so eloquently put it.)

        I went to Jack in the Box the other day. I was tempted to go to the local grocery store and buy a few things and have a homemade meal, but the drive was much further and to be honest, making a homemade meal (as in what I specifically wanted) required more effort/work than I was ready to give/do. My money did not go to the grocery store. But instead that money went to a fast food restaurant. So my money was still spent and put into the economy. It’s a shocker I know. But it’s true. My money went right into the economy anyway. (This has been an example presented to you by electric_worry. For further examples disproving some of the things people say, stay tuned. Because stupidity runs rampant in this day and age, which is remarkable given how much knowledge and information is out there and easily accessible, especially to those who have computers and internet connections. So the opportunity to present further examples will come up again sooner or later. And given the intelligence, or lack thereof, of some, it’s a much safer bet to say sooner rather than later.)

        • Clydebane

          Food is a necessity to survive. Music is not. So the money you didn’t spend on music is NOT necessarily going to get spent on something else.

        • Anonymous

          @ Clydebane

          True, food is a necessity. But the comparison is valid. The money you didn’t spend will go towards something else. Not necessarily right away, but it will. A book, a trip to the theater, a concert ticket, etc. It will be spent elsewhere in some way shape or form, which still means it goes into the economy. Thus negating what Jack said.

          I used the food example because it just came quickly to my mind. I mean would you prefer a different example then let me give you one. A few weeks ago, I had planned on taking this girl I know to the movies. We had already picked out what we wanted to see (or better said, what she wanted to see). Unfortunately, her mother called her and she couldn’t stick around long enough to see a movie. Rather than just say “catch you later” to each other and part ways we decided to do something else. We happened to be near a comic shop I like visiting, so I suggested she go with me to see one of my favorite places, she said okay. We went to the comic shop, and some of the money that was originally going to towards tickets for a movie/concession stand food (which as ridiculously expensive as it is, and I hate buying, she loves, so I have to buy her something) now went towards a few comics. Feeling like she wasn’t enjoying the shop as much as I was, I suggested we walk down the street and go to Barnes and Noble. She was down for this, so we went. Once we got there we started looking around (just killing time and hanging out together). Eventually she found a book she really liked and wanted and I purchased it for her. Again, with money that was set aside for the movies. So that money which was no longer used at the theater still went towards entertainment (albeit in a different format).

          Thus, you reach the same outcome. Money not spent on a movie (or music) did go towards something else. It will anyway. If I don’t buy a cd, I’ll buy something else. Doesn’t matter if it’s food or clothes or a book. I will eventually spend it and put it back into the economy. Which is the point I was trying to make. And thus the point I was trying to show Jack, it all goes back into helping the economy one way or another.

  • DANNY

    FAIL!!

  • Gargamel

    Thank God I don’t live in the land of the enslaved.

    Oops, land of the free ROFL.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WDUGHNE6TQAZ2JD3KCMAMZRPB4 Astro-Z

      Hey, America is number 1! The proof is right there in my previous statement! This will never, ever, change!

  • Him

    wont be long before there are no new movies at all. it wont be worth spending anything to make a new movie, simply because more money can be made by the industries suing people over previously released stuff. what a world we live in now!

    • Anonymous

      Most of those lawsuits are concerning pornography. The truth being that endless free porn on the Internet has destroyed their business model. Now they try to keep their profits by suing those infringers unaware of the free porn services like YouPorn.

      At the end of the day we dont need Hollywood porn any more so they fight to survive.

      That and planned condom laws means their whores will go hungry.

      The one thing true in business is that if you have to sue your own customers then your business model is broken.

      I would give US speculative invoicing 6 to 12 more months before Judges bring this injustice down. There is a very good reason why court cases are avoided. A matter to call them out on.

      • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

        “”The one thing true in business is that if you have to sue your own customers then your business model is broken.

        +1
        Sue your fans and customers……Short sighted…..to say the least…

        • Anon

          Pirates are not the type of customers the industry wants anyway. Pirates are leeches and a drain on the economy. Its better to sue them dry than to do business with these thieves.

        • Guest

          Poll. Please vote. A poster above ^ (Anon) is…

          1. Troll
          2. Moron
          3. Both
          4. Randazza

        • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com S.J. Doe

          5. Sarcasm

        • Anonymous

          Anon is number 3.

          (who feels like asking Anon’s ISP for false copyright infringement thingies so we can have all his personal data so we can do things we did to Andrew Crossley – like prank calls, pizza’s, stealing letters from his letterbox etc)

        • Asd

          Hey Anon….

          http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/apr/21/study-finds-pirates-buy-more-music

          “Study finds pirates 10 times more likely to buy music”

          You read that?

          TEN FUCKING TIMES more likely to buy music… wonder what would happen if they did the same study for film..

          Maybe those “damn dirty pirates” are the ones who are actually paying content creators the most. Shame that your talking point has just been obliterated..oh well

        • Wowzers!

          10 time, eh? Interesting. Makes sense too. A lot of pirates tend to be hardcore fans. Fans want the objects that their fans of. They may download, sure, but they buy too. Someone who isn’t a fan isn’t likely to download, nor are they likely to buy anything either. Seems to make perfect sense to me, so I wonder why the industry doesn’t get it. They feel that one download equals one lost sale, but the reality is that one download equals one lost opportunity to monetize something, and it is their own business models and stubbornness that is to blame more than any other factor. There is a way to make both sides happy. Nothing is impossible. Someone much smarter than me just needs to find it.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          @Anon

          Given that every study in music piracy ends up with the deduction that “pirates” spend roughly twice as much on bought media than the average consumer you are, in fact, in error.

          Which obviously doesn’t prevent you from spewing ill-conceived ignorant nonsense.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          @Anon

          Given that every study in music piracy ends up with the deduction that “pirates” spend roughly twice as much on bought media than the average consumer you are, in fact, in error.

          Which obviously doesn’t prevent you from spewing ill-conceived ignorant nonsense.

        • Friend of the People

          @Monestary

          If you could give me a link to those studies, I’d be grateful. I’ve heard a lot of people make claims based on these studies, but the only one I know of is a survey done on 1000 in the U.K. in 2009 (the one that found that pirates spend 77 euros per year vs 33 for non-pirates), and that one had serious methodological flaws that make it hard to draw relevant conclusions from the data.

          Links or any other information would be appreciated.

        • Friend of the People

          To be more specific, I’d really like something that looks at something besides music.

      • http://www.facebook.com/chronoss.uha1 Chronoss Uha

        and look at all the chicks stripping and posting images to the net free and you have to get what sued for other stuff…..haha ill do pron for free….

        • Anonymous

          Not video killed the radio star. But, attention ho killed the pornography star?

    • Anonymous

      “wont be long before there are no new movies at all”.

      Yeah right. Go to any restaurant in L.A. There is at least one “actor” on staff. There will always be movies because there will always be “actors”. There will always be”singers” because there are a million Rebecca Blacks. Some people crave fame and they will keep the entertainment industry alive

      • Wowzers!

        +1

        There are also the folks who will do it out of nothing more than the love for their craft. Entertainment will never die, only the industries who have traditionally profited from screwing artists and fans alike will.

  • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

    The United States has less than 5 percent of the world’s population.
    But it has almost a quarter of the world’s prisoners.
    source: International Center for Prison Studies , King’s College London

    The laws there must be just and fair ?

    Don’t change the laws for the people….
    Just throw them in jail or take all their money away…. do both if you can….

    Democracy of businesses ….. the land of the special interest…. laws made by the rich few for the rich few…

    how is that working out for the people ?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord

      it’s not democracy, it’s a corrupted sub-group of it that doesn’t even respect democracy at it’s base, therefor, it is NOT democracy. I have not heard about any place on this planet that uses democracy.. or even communism, same problems, it’s called humans, they’re always a problem…

    • politux

      Sadly we have government by the rich, of the rich and for the rich. Everyone else gets to fight for the scraps left over. The top 1% controls more wealth than the bottom 50%.

      • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

        Bullshit. This isn’t about money. People with money MAKE JOBS and give that bottom 50% (more like 90%, really) a little thing called “opportunity”.

        Class warfare happens because of dumb-ass people believing dumb-ass comments like yours. I guess you just hear these things somewhere and repeat it like an empty-headed drone without knowing what it means.

        • http://tinyurl.com/DropSkirt w3ts1ut

          1) It’s always about the money, always has been.

          2) Then why are rich people not making jobs?

          3) ‘Class warfare’ is not caused by Torrentfreak readers believing comments written on Torrentfreak articles, that was very silly.

        • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

          1.) Wrong. Class warfare is POLITICALLY motivated.

          2.) They’re shedding jobs for a number of reasons, but mostly because we’re in a time of economic uncertainty.

          3.) I didn’t say it was. Words have meaning. Read.

        • http://tinyurl.com/DropSkirt w3ts1ut

          Political motivation == MONEY, not just with respect to individual politicians, but the whole confusing conglomerate of corporate America. Been under a rock?

          And what is this “economic uncertainty”, what uncertainty? The poor and middle class are getting shit on by the rich certainly and quite clearly (Read article above for instance), it starts with senseless cuddling with the legal system and ends with perpetually corrupt profiteering.

        • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

          Wrong. Political motivation = Votes.

          Sometimes I really wish I wasn’t the only one reading books. You know, those things made of flattened wood pulp stamped with ink?

        • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com S.J. Doe

          Both are right and wrong, as it often happens in real world. Blatantly blaming rich is indeed wrong. Opportunity is an important pillar of capitalism. No sane person would prefer to move to Cuba or South Korea from US. Communism is a nice fairy tale, but it is not implementable in reality.

          Yet allowing it grow wild by tolerating corporate greed to influence politics in violation of Constitution leads to increasing gap between top rich and bottom poor, which we witness, unfortunately. Bi-modal societies prone to revolutions. The only insurance against destructive changes of a system is the dominance of middle class.

        • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

          I will not make excuses for corruption, nor did I. Corruption is exactly the problem.

          The gap between rich and poor is currently widening, yes. Under Obama’s “leadership” there are now 40 million people on food stamps (the most in history, ever), and unemployment costs have skyrocketed. It’s called a nanny-state. The government tries to act like your parent – they want you to be dependent on the government for your very life. This is a two-pronged approach: attack the rich (tax them, bad-mouth them, slander them), and create entitlements for the poor population (using tax money) that bleed the rich and encourage the poor to simply accept their place in society.

          Give a man a fish he eats for a day – teach him to fish and he eats for a lifetime. Obama would rather ration out fish to the poor and keep them there. This secures votes. The more poor eat from what Obama gives him, the more they’ll love him. It’s sickening. It’s exploitation. A business, on the other hand, is mutually beneficial – both the employer and the employee make money.

          Remember: the government can’t make money. It’s not a business. They can only shift money around. Currently 50% of the population is leeching off of the top 5% of the population that actually CREATES money. Money is created through the production of goods. That’s the only place that money can come from. Governments produce nothing. So, when you have the Obama
          administration bashing industry and expanding the size of government, he’s
          essentially siphoning water (money) from a bucket by increasing the size of
          the hose (taxes/ regulations) and decreasing the size of the bucket
          (industry). It’s incredibly stupid. It’s spectacularly stupid. Words
          can’t really describe how stupid it is, really.

          Of course, he knows exactly what he’s doing: he’s crashing the economy on
          purpose. It’s part of his attack on capitalism: stress the system as far as
          it will go until it breaks, then point at it as proof that the system
          doesn’t work. It’s called the “Clowen/ Piven” strategy, and it’s
          well-known. This will pave the way for his grand social mission: to
          transform America into a European-style socialist system. Under such a
          threat there’s no way for our economy to repair itself.

          Thankfully Americans caught on to the plan and are fighting it tooth and
          nail. After Obama is out of office we’ll look back on these days as dark
          times, indeed. America will snap back, though, and put more of an emphasis
          on Liberties, education, truth, and justice. For every Carter there is a
          Reagan.

        • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

          DONT…………..

          That is the stupidest thing ..the brainwashed Right wing Americans keep deluding people with..

          Rich people ( corporations ) = job creators……..

          BULLSHIT…….

          corporations exist to make MONEY…… not jobs……

          If they could replace workers with foreigners ……….?
          If they could replace workers with robots………?

          oh wait………. they already do that…….

        • http://www.facebook.com/chronoss.uha1 Chronoss Uha

          you americans really are daft stupid and blind….look to your northern neighbor it has per capita ten times more guns per person and yet about 1 100th the crime related to them….

          AND we have health care for all. A decent albeit not perfect pension plan for all. Disability and even our conservatives enjoy it. WE know that treating people have decent is the key and doing it for a long time really makes for a better society. REMEMBER social is part of socialism and its not communism.

          WE also had debt issues back in 90′s we hunkered down raised taxes almost 7 % nation wide and in 2002 got back our triple A ratign and had a 7 billion a year surplus plus paid down almost 150-200 billion in debt.

          THE FACT is they are dragging there heals and my bet is no one wants to be your next president….hes soooo screwed ….BUT if he can get a congress and senate to work for the nation rather then the uber rich you will succeed too.IF NOT i too in the next decade predict actual civil riots.

          LOOK what canada’s PM is doing hes on tour to beef up NON American trade deals for a reason, it aint cause he thinks your doing great either.

      • Guest

        Exactly, with rich and poor fighting each other is much easier to control the masses. I award you 1 point.

    • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

      Trying to make a correlation between the amount of prisoners and the fairness of our laws? Really? Where’d you learn your logic, the back of a cereal box?

      “Democracy of businesses” makes no sense. A business doesn’t vote – only people vote.

      We ARE the land of special interests, but 99.9% of these special interest groups are fronts for the Democratic party – unions, gays, blacks, womens’ groups: all exploited by the Democratic party in order to secure votes. Lawyer unions are all fronts for the Democratic party as well.

      Yes, there’s class warfare going on, but it’s simply a political tactic by the Progressive Left.

      I understand your exasperation with the US justice system – it can be very exploitative. But understand that these things happen for a reason – and that every revolution (even failed ones) can be traced back to actual people.

      Class warfare in America is NOT something that materialized out of thin air, and it’s not an abstract concept like a corporation – this is organized and planned and executed by people that believe that the government should be a ruling class. We know who’s making it happen, and the American people are fighting against it – the majority of Americans believe in truth and justice and our right to not be exploited by those in power, be it political or monetary.

      The Americans that believe in Liberty and Truth are currently embattled with the Progressives that want to turn this country into a pseudo-monarchy. In November ’10 the progressive party was utterly crushed by the Tea Party movement, and it’s going to be a slaughter again (this time in the Senate) come November ’12.

      • Wetdentist

        my god this teabag propaganda is really getting tiring. ever since Glenn Beck started talking about the “class warfare” of the Left, corporate power levels have SOARED w/ Supreme Court rulings, collective bargaining stripped away, and this latest manufactured crisis by the Tea Party to tie the Debt Limit to draconian spending cuts (during a recession) essentially adds up to a major tax increase on anybody with a 401(k), a house, car payments, uses electricity & gas. This Ayn Rand fantasy that the Teabaggers live in, where society has to implode into massive Depression, so that their glorious John Galt can come save us with his teachings of the Virtues of Selfishness is POISON to our country

        • http://www.facebook.com/chronoss.uha1 Chronoss Uha

          and this time we all need to keep fighting them back and speaking the truth NO MORE laying down and taking the crap.

          TELL TRUTH To these idiots and of it everywhere its important not just to the USA but the planet earth

      • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

        ** why turn all FACTUAL criticism about the USA into right wing politics ?
        ( the disinformation right wingers believe is sad )

        You will vote in the opposite to your best interests…….because of misinformed opinions…..
        DEMOCRATS ARE NO BETTER…….in a lot of ways …. so don’t whine……

        FACT:…. America = Biggest Prison population…..754 per 100,000 (as of 2009)

        FACT : a quarter of ALL people in prison…… are in prison in USA…..
        (95% of the worlds population is not in the USA)

        NOT OPINION ….. FACTS….

        _________________________________________________________

        “”Trying to make a correlation between the amount of prisoners and the fairness of our laws? Really? Where’d you learn your logic, the back of a cereal box? “”

        I said “just and fair”…. but fairness works as well

        It may be “just” to throw a person in jail for petty robbery… But is it fair to lock that person up for 16years compared to 6years in other countries… ?

        or
        is it “”just and fair”" to throw someone in jail for possession of drugs… for personal use ? never mind the long sentence lengths.

        is it fair to all the people of the USA … to have a law allowing guns…. even tho shooting rates and gun murder are high ?
        (there are plenty of people I know … that if where allowed a gun….would probably use it against someone else….and end up in jail )
        ___________________________________________________________
        “”“Democracy of businesses” makes no sense. A business doesn’t vote – only people vote. “”

        Corporate personhood
        Google it….

        Corporations Are People Too
        Corporations can spend UNLIMITED funds to brainwash people…….
        eg… FOX NEWS … MSNBC…. and all those political ads , tv and radio shows….

        MOST are right wing…… No taxes for the Corporations is an aim……..

        (they don’t mind spending a few million to get a few billion in tax breaks…… )
        ______________________________________________________________

        “”Yes, there’s class warfare going on, but it’s simply a political tactic by the Progressive Left. “”

        CLASS … not political…… BOTH political parties are “the rich”

        The poor get thrown in jail….. The law protects the rich…..
        The system creates an underclass of people…. who just get poorer and poorer… while the rich just get richer ……

        BOTH political parties do NOTHING for the majority of people…. All they do is look like fools to the rest of the world…….
        ____________________________________________________________

        Tea party…. for the people…. lmao…

        Then raise taxes on the rich….. Create proper gun control…… Free healthcare for all US citizens….

        You know…. stuff that benefits all the people…….
        not stuff that benefits insurance companies ….. gun manufacturers and corporations ………

        AKA special interests……….

        • http://www.facebook.com/chronoss.uha1 Chronoss Uha

          16000 gun deaths in 2001 , in 2006 , it was 32000 PER YEAR

          think about that as 7500 soldiers die in iraq over 7 years

        • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

          @Chronoss Uha /

          Wow.. didn’t know that stat…

          That’s awful… 32000 family’s wrecked in a year…..

          The NRA must be so proud.

        • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

          @Chronoss Uha /

          Wow.. didn’t know that stat…

          That’s awful… 32000 family’s wrecked in a year…..

          The NRA must be so proud.

        • Wowzers!

          Wow, that is some of the best, not to mention interesting, comments I’ve seen you make here at TorrentFreak, ANoiXioNA. In the end it doesn’t matter who is wrong and who is right. A good working system for all will flourish, while a broken one will eventually crash and burn. This is an inevitable truth. Even so, history has shown us repeatedly that nothing lasts forever, least of all civilization. I don’t have to prove any of this, the world will prove it for me. Watch and see.

        • Wowzers!

          Wow, that is some of the best, not to mention interesting, comments I’ve seen you make here at TorrentFreak, ANoiXioNA. In the end it doesn’t matter who is wrong and who is right. A good working system for all will flourish, while a broken one will eventually crash and burn. This is an inevitable truth. Even so, history has shown us repeatedly that nothing lasts forever, least of all civilization. I don’t have to prove any of this, the world will prove it for me. Watch and see.

      • Busterbrown

        Yes, that makes sense…
        Its the Progressives who want to turn America into a corporate, Jesus-led monarchy…
        Yes, that makes sense

      • Me

        I think the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of every one else’s money. Keep up the good work Obama.

        • http://www.facebook.com/chronoss.uha1 Chronoss Uha

          i think the problem with people that don’t understand english and the words they write are that the US educational system has also failed and sits what 32nd in reading and even worse for math?

          and by its nature you need less money in a system of socialism cause you are doing things for the good of a nation and its people rather then its business’s

          LOOK up plutocracy and fascism….tell me which the USA is closer too and what they have lead too.

      • Theotherone

        “Trying to make a correlation between the amount of prisoners and the fairness of our laws? Really? Where’d you learn your logic, the back of a cereal box?”

        This is so typical of every one of your posts I have read. Why do you feel the need to insult people? Why not just let your ideas stand on their own? If you make a compelling argument, intelligent men will agree. But do you think you are increasing your chances of “winning” by insulting your readers? And if you indeed think them stupid, why would you waste several paragraphs enlightening them?

      • Dylan

        Your claim is that Obama is trying to make the poor stay poor? Thats one of the most ludicrous claims that you could make. and then to continue to say that Obama wants people eating off the government check because that will get him votes? Thats the most ass backwards thing I’ve ever heard – The American People are demanding jobs! they will vote for the person who has the best chances of making them jobs – Yes I get it, their are some parasites in society but to claim that WE americans would rather be fed than feed ourselves is a horrible reflection on what America has and is about. We as a nation are over worked and that is the truth and individuals are getting so overworked because corporations continue making cuts to the work force/ benefits while boasting some of the highest profits every (like insurance companies during the recession) . Individuals of this country have been getting screwed out of education and welfare programs that help get poor people back on their feet, welfare programs are not meant to feed someone for life but to serve as a safety net if they do get laid off.

        The problem with the uber rich is that they ARE literally sitting on tons of money and when money stops being used and becomes stagnant for extended periods of time its no longer in circulation with in the bigger economy. Look at it like this – If you have a pie chart that represents all of the money in our economy it would be divided be the top 1% who would own 90% of the this chart but that left over 10% of wealth is divided among 99%. So basically the lower class and middle class are basically “scrambling for scraps” like another user put so blatantly. That being said, our country has been brought to its great status because of social programs like lets say highways, schools, libraries.. just to name a basic few. We need this stagnant money to get moving again so we can rebuild infrastructure and make schools better than they are – because the goal should never be to cut education. Also, Our country led the world with social reform that surrounded workers rights and child labor laws. There’s other programs that were made that forced the government to regulate things like BEEF so corporations cannot sell individuals a harmful product, which I cannot see anyone disagreeing with.

        I believe Obama is trying to work off all these positive things that have greatly benefited the working class in America because it has been PROVEN TO WORK. I also believe that he knows that corporations are trying their hardest to make the playing field unfair to the average consumer because it can MAKE them more money. If corporations go completely unchecked there’s no telling what horrible things they would allow just to make a few extra bucks. On top of that I believe Obama realizes that if the rich get richer and the poor get poorer – this is the perfect equation for a revolution to take place in Americas future and I think that if we can avoid it we should and to avoid it, we need to take more money from the rich so the middleclass and poor can make a decent living. The Rich should help fund the poor and middle class not just by “giving us jobs” that they are already greatly underpaying people for but by investing in social infrastructure that will benefits society as a whole in the future – something that will at least keep us semi on par health care wise ect with other developed nations.

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        I’d be with you there…except that the Tea Party is run by extremist fundies. If you find a constitutional liberal anywhere he’ll be in it due to making a choice between bad and worse.

        That said, the same can be said for the democrats and the rest of the republicans as well. If I had to make a choice between, say GWB/Cheney or Obama/Biden the choice is pretty clear cut.

        That doesn’t make me any happier about having to make the choice between those candidates in the first place.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002639684444 Ryan Smith

    They are very much taking advantage of people’s ignorance here. Even a majority of self-proclaimed pirates still believe it is illegal to download in the USA. So how is the average person supposed to know that copyright trolls don’t have a solid case to pursue.

    They won’t go to a full trial without substantial evidence. Especially not while they can bully some into settling without paying for any more than the cost of a stamp to mail the settlement letter.

  • FREE_COPYRIGHT

    I just hope one day ALL OUR Judiciary system wake up, and see this exploitation, and reform it. Why cant our laws be like RUSSIA copyright charge taxes on us for media, cd, ipod, computer, harddrive, and give us the right to download under personal use?!?!?!?!?! like really can a product still be sell after 1 year of it on the market? and how much would you still be making?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

      If you look at the Righthaven cases, you can see that a few of them HAVE woken up to this scheme. Righthaven has been losing left and right.

      • Anonymous

        Righthaven didn’t even have the right to sue, much less settle, in regards to quite a few of their earlier cases. They opened themselves up for some serious lawsuits in regards to that. Which I hope happen. I don’t want them to return what they took, I want them to get hit with the stick of justice and see what it’s like to be on the receiving end of what they were trying to dish out.

      • Anonymous

        Righthaven didn’t even have the right to sue, much less settle, in regards to quite a few of their earlier cases. They opened themselves up for some serious lawsuits in regards to that. Which I hope happen. I don’t want them to return what they took, I want them to get hit with the stick of justice and see what it’s like to be on the receiving end of what they were trying to dish out.

  • alt

    Anyone can file a lawsuit that does not mean it it will go anywhere you state that there are 145,000 cases as of today and most are from the hurt locker case i read like two months age that the hurt locker case was dismissed.

  • Koneill45

    The courts are being tyed up for no reason when there are more pressing cases to be heard

    • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

      Obama refuses to reform the justice system – lawyers and lawyer unions are the front line of his Progressive agenda.

  • http://Twitter.com/elisaknockout Elisa ? Knockout™

    I will never watch any films from this company ever this greedy production company can burn in hell for all i care.This case is literally going no where they should pack up and leave and everyone being sued should tell them to go fuck themselves.

  • Dsaf

    Welcome to the US… were you can sue anyone for any reason and have a 60% chance of winning.

  • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com S.J. Doe

    have been sued since the beginning of 2010 currently stands at 201,828. Nearly all of the defendants are accused of sharing copyrighted files via BitTorrent, and 1,237 allegedly used the eD2k network.

    Wow, I belong to the elite of defrauded crowd! I feel very special.

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  • http://twitter.com/AlyssaBlindy Alyssa Blindy

    It is stupid and ridiculous. These stupid idiot copyright lawyers think they are above the law and can just scam money out of people. Stupid pricks, jerks, idiot f**kers who probably dropped their balls in the middle of the road, and then let a car squash them. Stupid retards. I hope carma gets them in the ars.

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  • Icanbelieveit

    Wake up America. Once the land of freedom, justice and opportunity it is just now the land of Corporate Dictatorship (lobbing in the congress). Just have a look what happened with the Wall Street gurus after the financial crisis: NOTHING. They are even richer and they are still ruling.

    This lawyers’ firms who bully the brave American middle class, have money and power, they are arrogant and therefore they play and party hard with cocaine and sluts, so catch them in camera and expose them. 200.000 people easily can elect congressmen.

    So, think, get united and act; but not as rednecks (as Sara Palin followers)

  • Anonymous

    Bottom feeding, blood sucking attorneys.
    anon-web.it.tc

  • sadkid

    LOLFUCKSHIT

  • Test

    Usenet = Win!

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  • blackHat

    ‘Pay-up-or-else’. Also known as “what happens when a business model dies screaming.

  • Anonymous

    “they would generate a quarter billion dollars in revenue – from piracy.”

    No, from the threat of financial destruction. 24,583 people time $10 cost of a DVD is $245,830. 24,583 people times a $2500 settlement is $61,457,500. Original budget of the film: $11,000,000. Gross: $12,647,089. This is about more than punishing file sharers and more than recovering lost profits. This is about getting MORE than their fair share.

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  • Dillfly2000

    so suing poor people is the way to go now?

  • fragflag

    “Hey, why don’t we sue everybody that access access to the internet”

    I mean, that’s just stupid, do they really want to pick a fight with all of America?, do they actually think they’ll win?

  • fragflag

    “Hey, why don’t we sue everybody that access access to the internet”

    I mean, that’s just stupid, do they really want to pick a fight with all of America?, do they actually think they’ll win?

  • Krycus21

    i guess everyone going to say they have “open wifi”

  • Fiendamundo

    suing someone for piracy and profiting is not teh same as profiting from piracy. Nice double-speak there. In other news, we have always been at war with Eastasia.

  • Pdworkin

    To address two of the memes that seem to repeat in this thread:

    1. Research the nations with AAA credit ratings. Every one of them has a socialized health plan. The suggestion that the Left is somehow bankrupting the country fails in the face of empirical fact.

    2. Stewart Brand warned the record industry in 1976 (!) that digitization would mean the end of “record stores”. The business has had more than three decades to formulate a plan. Rather than buying Napster and monetizing it when they could have, they litigated it out of existence and Apple eventually ate their lunch. We are now to applaud them for their new business model of suing people who pass digitized information from and to one another?

    The copyright laws once had a purpose and a meaning before huge media corporations (here I mean primarily “Disney”) distorted the laws to keep Mickey Mouse out of the public domain. As ye sow (greed) so shall ye reap.

  • Pdworkin

    To address two of the memes that seem to repeat in this thread:

    1. Research the nations with AAA credit ratings. Every one of them has a socialized health plan. The suggestion that the Left is somehow bankrupting the country fails in the face of empirical fact.

    2. Stewart Brand warned the record industry in 1976 (!) that digitization would mean the end of “record stores”. The business has had more than three decades to formulate a plan. Rather than buying Napster and monetizing it when they could have, they litigated it out of existence and Apple eventually ate their lunch. We are now to applaud them for their new business model of suing people who pass digitized information from and to one another?

    The copyright laws once had a purpose and a meaning before huge media corporations (here I mean primarily “Disney”) distorted the laws to keep Mickey Mouse out of the public domain. As ye sow (greed) so shall ye reap.

    • Theotherone

      speak the truth brotha!

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  • Reagancon316

    thanks OBAMA you TURD.

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    scary shit

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L35R7J76YDF435XTVVFLAKWXU4 Spark

    The only question is how to stop the lawsuits. Forget about preventing getting caught, that’s criminal talk. Media is free, that was the future, and now it’s the present. Getting sued is the new draft card. Burn it, ignore it, and move to Canada if you have to. I won’t live in a society where media costs money.

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  • Qwerty123

    dear american brothers.

    You can get hundres of thousands to the white house grounds to protest peacefully and the government and its lobbiests know you will do nothing. So they laugh and continue to abuse you.
    Take your protest one step further.
    Rush the white house and make these fat cats piss their pants and run for the hills to save their necks.
    Only with fear will you finally get what you want.

    Love
    The French Revolution.

  • Qwerty123

    dear american brothers.

    You can get hundres of thousands to the white house grounds to protest peacefully and the government and its lobbiests know you will do nothing. So they laugh and continue to abuse you.
    Take your protest one step further.
    Rush the white house and make these fat cats piss their pants and run for the hills to save their necks.
    Only with fear will you finally get what you want.

    Love
    The French Revolution.

  • Anonymous

    Or you can just be an adult and pay for what you take. Nothing is free.

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  • Luminousty

    Is this real?, I hot a lawsuit and now it says i need to pay $2500 by x day or $3500 by x day. Someone reply back.

    • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

      don’t worry…. it’s like a phishing scam…

      Hang around here @ TF…. bookmark this site.

      a. This is a SCAM.

      b. They have proof of nothing. ( only an ip address , which is nothing )

      c. They don’t want this to go to court. They will lose if you fight it.

      d. They want you to pay ,don’t.

      e. Don’t be pressured into wrongfully admitting guilt , BY PAYING…. or conned into believing you are responsible for your WiFi connection.. etc…..

      f. DON’T ADMIT GUILT.. the cases that go to court..involve someone admitting guilt.

      Get legal help IF a COURT sends you a letter. Which is very very unlikely.

      This con has been outlawed in the U.K.

      resources….

      fightcopyrighttrolls.com/ ( sophisticated jane doe’s site.. also comments here )

      https://www.eff.org/wp/know-your-rights ( eff … know your rights )

      http://torrentfreak.com/the-anatomy-of-a-bittorrent-piracy-settlement-110606/

    • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

      don’t worry…. it’s like a phishing scam…

      Hang around here @ TF…. bookmark this site.

      a. This is a SCAM.

      b. They have proof of nothing. ( only an ip address , which is nothing )

      c. They don’t want this to go to court. They will lose if you fight it.

      d. They want you to pay ,don’t.

      e. Don’t be pressured into wrongfully admitting guilt , BY PAYING…. or conned into believing you are responsible for your WiFi connection.. etc…..

      f. DON’T ADMIT GUILT.. the cases that go to court..involve someone admitting guilt.

      Get legal help IF a COURT sends you a letter. Which is very very unlikely.

      This con has been outlawed in the U.K.

      resources….

      fightcopyrighttrolls.com/ ( sophisticated jane doe’s site.. also comments here )

      https://www.eff.org/wp/know-your-rights ( eff … know your rights )

      http://torrentfreak.com/the-anatomy-of-a-bittorrent-piracy-settlement-110606/

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  • Cardealerface

    Just another reason why the American people are in so much debt. Corporate America loves to hand out lawsuits.

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  • Clydebane

    This is a really simple issue that alot of people are trying to make more complicated in order to justify their own position.

    If you don’t hold the copyright, you DO NOT have the right to make copies, period! It doesn’t matter if the copies are digital or not. It doesn’t matter if you gave the copies away or not. When the copy was made, the law was broken. The fact that you own the technology to make copies doesn’t make it legal. If you own a firearm, you possess the technology to kill someone. But except in very special circumstances, it is still illegal to do so.

    Obviously alot of people don’t care, and they’re going to do what they want regardless. To that I say fine, that’s your prerogative. But it’s just like driving; it is perfectly ok to disregard the speed limit and drive as fast as you want. But when you get a ticket, PAY THE FINE!! Don’t try to argue that speed limits are stupid and you shouldn’t have to abide by them.

    You wanna use torrents, that’s your business. But when one of these lawyers comes knocking on your door, don’t try to claim aggrieved status because you think that what you did SHOULD be legal. It’s not legal, and that’s why the lawyers are knocking on your door. So do whatever you want, but if/when you get caught, pay up. You chose to do something you didn’t have to do, with full knowledge that it was illegal. If you get caught, you pay up, and life goes on.

    • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

      WTF …. “” IF you get caught …… IF YOU GET CAUGHT….. IF…IF….IF.. “”

      IF you did anything wrong……to be caught doing…. which MANY did not….

      pensioner accused of sharing hardcore sado-masochistic pornography
      http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/13/davenport_lyons_apology/

      MPAA accuses laser printer of illegal file sharing
      http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2008/06/06/mpaa_accuses_laser_printer_of_illegal_file_sharing

      These PAY UP OR ELSE….. letters are NOT …people getting caught ….

      These letters are sent with NO PROOF of anything…….

      Your a criminal if you record TV , radio … copy a CD to your MP3 player…

      ( don’t compare sharing worthless information .. to murder )

      If a lawyer comes knocking at my door ( via letter or whatever )….
      Fuck off is the logical response….

      “”Pay up”" ….. lol … to a Lawyer …. with NO COURT decision backing him up..?
      to a Lawyer …. who has no intention on going to court.?

      Fuck off is the logical response…. Fuck off is the ONLY response….

      Proof needed….. Show the proof…… You have an IP address… and ?

      You want proof….. bust a billion filesharers doors down, and analyse the content of their computers…..
      That’s the ONLY way to get proof…… IF it exists……
      Then present that proof in front of a court.

      know-your-rights

      https://www.eff.org/wp/know-your-rights

    • Anonymous

      I agree with what you said, with one exception. Just because you “get caught” or better said, just because someone says you did something DOES NOT mean you did. You’re making the assumption that the people in this case, or whoever it is you’re referring to did do what they’re being said to have done. But it is “innocent until proven guilty” not the other way around.

      I agree, if you do something, stand by your actions. F*ck it. But you can’t assume all the people in these 200,000 cases did actually commit copyright infringement. IP spoofing does happen. People may let others onto their computers/networks, and they may infringe (without the owner of said computer/network knowing it’s being done). Etc. There are many different ways in which they may not actually have done anything wrong. Just because someone says “you did it” doesn’t make it so.

      • Anonymous

        “Innocent until proven guilty?” this is a lawsuit. You must prove your innocents.

        • Anonymous

          Yeah, I kind of was thinking in general. Not in regards to a lawsuit. My bad. But it shouldn’t be that way, it seems wrong. It should be up to the person suing you to prove guilt, not the person being sued proving innocence. It’s just more well, silliness, in regards to the legal system.

        • Guest123

          Well, it’s just a civil case, so preponderance of evidence stands. They do have to prove guilt, but you also have to work to prove innocence.

    • Clydebane

      Point taken. I should have said, “if you are proven to be guilty.” And I agree that these people should have to prove the person guilty, UNLESS the person knows they are guilty and chooses to settle instead of going to court. Which, according to the article, seems to be the case most of the time. Just because no one has called these people’s bluff yet, doesn’t mean they don’t have proof. Lawyers and corporations generally aren’t into doing things purely on principle. If it’s cheaper to settle, they’re going to settle, no matter how much proof they have.

      Anoixiona: If the information is worthless, why do you want it? Why break the law over something you find “worthless?” Because you can? Is that really all there is to it? This whole movement is just a bunch of spoiled kids who think they should have the right to take whatever they want (or DON’T want) just because technology says they can?

      Also, I’m not saying file sharing is the same as murder, I’m simply pointing out that possessing the technology to do something does not make it legal. But I think you already knew that. Like I said, some people try to make this issue much more complicated than it actually is, so that they can justify their own position.

      And electric_worry has a point that someone else could have downloaded stuff on your computer without your consent. But if you loan someone your car and they leave drugs in it, those are YOUR drugs if you get pulled over by the police the next day. Same concept. Either be careful who you allow to have access to your computer, or don’t allow anyone else to have access to it. With freedom comes responsibility.

      • Friend of the People

        Thank you for being logical Clyde. This is the heart of the issue.

        I particularly agree with what you said to Anonixiona. It reminds me of a saying from The Republic (paraphrased); if you use what you think is a logical process to come to a conclusion but that conclusion doesn’t make sense, then you’ve made a mistake in logic, and must reevaluate both your conclusion and your process.

      • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

        doesn’t mean they don’t have proof. Lawyers and corporations generally aren’t into doing things purely on principle.

        They do it for money… another income stream… a much more profitable business model than selling in a lot of cases…

        Threaten people with $150,000 fine …. or just pay $2,500 to make it go away….

        quote = article
        “” If half of the original defendants eventually settle for an average fee of $2,500 they would generate a quarter billion dollars in revenue – from piracy. “”

        no proof required…..
        Just need an ip address suspected of infringement…
        request ip address ..connected SUBSCRIBER user info… via court… from the ISP
        Send threatening letter to lot’s of people….(connected to ip’s)
        Some settle…. kerchinggg

        They can ONLY have proof…..
        IF they get your computer .. prove it belongs to you…
        find the files they are looking for on your computer….
        And correlate the specific file…. to a specific IP address ..distributing the file at a specific time…..

        Then they have to prove it was you….. who was using the computer….. at that specific time….

        How can they get even a fraction of the proof without seizing or hacking a computer ?

        ______________________________________________________________

        Ideology :

        Worthless because it can be copied endlessly at zero cost….Literally worthless…
        no real value…. copyright invents artificial value out of thin air……

        No fileshares are not spoilt kids… the scene has been around for years…

        A HISTORY OF THE SCENE
        Written by Ipggi (April 20, 1999)
        A Product of http://www.defacto2.net

        http://www.rajuabju.com/warezirc/scene_history.htm

        The internet IS filesharing… every webpage you visit … you share files….

        Filesharers are 99.9% of the time…. the biggest fans of content….

        Studies have shown.. filesharers spend more than twice as much on content than non filesharing…. usually casual fans….
        http://www.slideshare.net/kimberleyfinn/uni-of-hertfordshire-music-experience-and-behaviour-in-young-people-spring-08

        • Clydebane

          Of course they’re doing it for money. That’s why most people go into business, to make money. If someone is threatening your business by giving your product away for free, why WOULDN’T you sue them?

          If I knew I had not shared any files, and someone accused me of doing so, guess what? We’re going to court. I’m not settling s***. So if all of these people are completely innocent, as you seem to suggest, then why are so many of them choosing to settle instead of making their accusers present proof in open court? I’m not saying these people do or do not have proof. All I’m saying is, if they’re just phishing, why are so many of the accused choosing to settle instead of fighting it?

          Let me ask you a question. If you’re throwing a party at your house, do you print out the code you downloaded and read it aloud to entertain your friends? I’ll bet you don’t. I’ll bet you feed that code into a computer, which translates it into music. And you play that music in order to entertain your guests.

          You’re sitting here trying to equate that code to a physical CD, and that may be accurate to an extent. But let me ask another question. If you went into a store, bought a CD, then got home and realized that the CD was blank, would you take it back to the store for an exchange or refund, or would you just keep it? Because according to your logic, the physical CD is what you actually paid for, right? They just threw the music on there as a bonus?

          Copyright laws exist to protect people’s intellectual property. Meaning, some people work to create things that are not physical tangible objects, but do still have value. It has rightly been concluded that a creator of intellectual property should be afforded protection under the law.

          Also, being a fan of something doesn’t entitle you to possess it. I’m a fan of Harley Davidson motorcycles. I’m wearing Harley Davidson motorcycle boots right now. But the fact that I’m a fan and have purchased a pair of their boots doesn’t give me the right to walk into a Harley dealership, hop on a Sportster, and ride away. Until I can afford to cough up $20k, I have to stick with my Suzuki.

          @ iDrifter: What does one have to do with the other? Who holds the copyright is between the artist and the label, and has nothing to do with you as the fan/consumer. No matter who does hold the copyright, the point is YOU do not hold it. Therefore, you do not have the right to make copies. The end. It’s that simple, people.

        • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

          @Clydebane

          “”You’re sitting here trying to equate that code to a physical CD,

          NO…. you are…….. not I…..

          If it can be copied endlessly at zero cost …… it is PHYSICALLY worthless….
          That is a literal fact of the universe….. of our reality….of everything…..

          Intellectual property is an invention of the imagination …
          a modern day fairy or unicorn…. better still … a goose that lays golden eggs….

          You are comparing with .. this and that….. where no comparison exists……
          CD’s can’t be copied endlessly at zero cost…. The data stored on it can….

          It is OK if YOU want to pay for the worthless data….. That is a non issue….

          If you where PROMISED worthless data for a FEE on a disc…. and the disc was blank…. then of course you would want your money back…..
          Again a non issue…….

          Your…. Harley Davidson …. theft of a bike PARABLE ………. ( twisted & false )

          Copying is NOT theft……. Nothing is stolen … nothing is missing……

          Suggesting that a person copying….. is the same as a theft ….is not only factually wrong….. is also an attempt to criminalise copying….

          DON’T FORGET…… Copyright….is not that…….( a right )

          It is a limitation … imposed by a monopoly …..on the human race…. for profit…
          (that’s a 100% factual statement )

    • Anonymous

      Let me quote the wise words of Thomas Jefferson concerning intellectual property law…

      “He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. That ideas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density in any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation.”

      Long ago copying was lawful. That right has since been stolen from us. What was once changed can be changed back.

      You say we do not have the right. Who gives that right? The law. Who makes that law? The elected representative of the population. All the will of the people versus the corrupt greed and bribes of the capitalist corporations.

      The problem is us humans are often flawed and greedy. Copyright laws are based in that respect. The right you speak of is one of greed, control and abuse.

      • Clydebane

        A song, movie, or piece of software is NOT an idea. It definitely started as an idea in someone’s mind, but the end result is a PRODUCT that is being sold in order to make a profit. If the creator of that product decides to give it away for free, God bless them, and put me down for one. But if they choose to sell it, then you either pay their price, or you go without it. You don’t just take it because you can. THAT is greed and abuse…

        • Anonymous

          Thomas Jefferson was discussing intellectual property law at the time which is quite appropriate seeing that he used to work in the copyright office. So his “idea” was reflective of IP media in general.

          Sharing is only caring. All access and enjoyment. And who would dare claim that I do not buy what I enjoy?

          If you want to see some true greed then I will show you. Take a look here…
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Copyright_term.svg

          We the public are that white part. Now as the term of copyright protection has increased then so has a global market of resources to benefit from that creation has decreased.

          That diagram is not totally descriptive though such as the United States Copyright Act of 1790 set the copyright protection term to 14 years. They were than only awarded another 14 years if they actually lived that long. Seeing back then they had to travel across country by horse and wagon then so it is easy to concluded that copyright is now much faster.

          Since faster makes for shorter to balance out the return then just what is wrong with a copyright span of 5 to 10 years? The vast 99% of sales happen within this time providing plenty of reward. Why not then make it a public resource for people to do with as they want including to turn it into something better?

          Greed is what gave up the copyright span we do today. We the public certainly never did that one but now file sharing is the counter-balance.

          If you want to see something beautiful then scroll down that page. Creative Commons in action.

      • Friend of the People

        A few things; if you’re going to quote Thomas Jefferson’s opinion, you must also realize that he wasn’t persuasive enough to convince others of this idea, because the idea of copyright is enshrined in the U.S. Constitution. You can’t use a U.S. statesman’s words to say that it was lawful, because under U.S. law, there has always been some form of copyright protection.

        Secondly, I doubt that piracy is supported by anything near half of the population, which isn’t even mentioning the 2/3 majority needed for constitutional change. Just because some people desire a change doesn’t make that the will of the people.

        One could argue that the desire to change copyright law is based off of greed as well.

        In the end, the purpose of copyright law is to maximize development of culture and scientific research. If you’re going to convince people that a change should be made, you’re going to have to prove that creation will still happen at current rates and at current quality in a system where payment isn’t legally required, and to be frank, I haven’t seen substantial evidence for this. The only form of culture that seems to have anything going for it in such a world is music, and the relatively low costs of creating music (as well as concerts, which don’t have a good analogue in other forms of culture) as opposed to a movie, tv show or game don’t make me hopeful.

        But, I welcome your attempts to convince me I’m wrong. Tell me how people would make money in this new world where payment isn’t required. I look forward to your response

        • Anonymous

          I am quite aware that we are currently in the mess we are in now due to the history that we have gone through. Thomas Jefferson was a very influential person but you are correct that not everyone valued such inspirational words.

          Yes the United States since 1790 has had copyright law. This 1790 copyright act was “ripped off” from the British Statute of Anne from 1709. I have books on my bookshelf that are older than both these.

          I do find that there are large difference between British and American politics where one those is that British politics is flexible and always seeking to reform into something better. Indeed even our Prime Minister is a job for the best person in our county and people on both sides will seek to flaw our PM and to bring him down.

          Your Constitution and Bill of Rights may be nice documents but you should still recognize that these can and should be changed to match the growing and developing needs of society.

          I also find it humorous that the United States plays the protector of copyright after even your most sacred documents were ideas stolen from others. You do not respect the work and cost put into the King James Bible. Then even Charles Dickens gave you quite a bashing for exploiting his stories.

          Personally I would forgive you. Each item came with great value that you took into your own society to enhance it. That is what Thomas Jefferson was talking about when personal gain comes second to the benefits to society.

          Sure major copyright changes will not happen now but there are certainly some reforms that we can agree on. Let me ask you this though. The media market is going through massive changes right now. The old market (like Hollywood porn) is dying and a new market (like YouPorn) is emerging. What will the public view be then in 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 years time when all homes have been touched by cheap easy access to vast media? What will happen then when a reformed society can debate the live economics and financial reports? What when Creative Commons is the core of future media and traditional Copyright is swept aside?

          Could the public view then not be that the Bill of Right needs to be reformed when it then does not reflect the society that you live within?

        • Friend of the People

          1 little nitpick first; it wasn’t the bill of rights, it was the constitution proper.

          I’m not sure you’re getting the central points I’m trying to make. The first point is that removal of copyright is not yet the “will of the people”, as you claim it is. Even more important is that the constitution

          More importantly, when and if creative commons overtakes copyright in its entirety and proves equally or more successful, then we will have some reason to reevaluate the constitution. However, that isn’t the current reality. In the current reality, an artist who chooses creative commons is at a severe disadvantage. The current paradigm of “post whatever you make and hope for donations” is crap. There are no reliable ways for artists to secure investment for their projects, and the only guaranteed way to earn money is to put it in a “service”, which isn’t something that can be relied on because music is the only form of digital culture with a good type of service in the real world (concerts). Movies only have the cinemas, which are expensive, uncomfortable, and won’t have any purpose if their only advantage, (seeing movies before they come out on DVD), is removed by the repeal of copyright law. That’s not even mentioning videogames, which have no service outside of multiplayer, which many of our best games can’t include because it runs contrary to their design.

          To put this simply, I don’t see how quality won’t be degraded in this new world where anyone can make art but few can profit from it. We’ll have more culture, but the more will be from amateurs, the same people who make videos on youtube; some chuckleworthy, a few good, very few great, and a titanic ocean of crap. There will be an increase in bad culture, that stuff you wouldn’t want to watch or listen to, a decrease in middle culture (the stuff that’s reasonable but costs some money to make), and hopefully no decrease in the great culture, although I’m not hopeful.

          After all, that flagship movie that was supposed to prove the possibility of the donation model, a Lonely Place For Dying, isn’t really meeting its goals, is it? I see no proof that this model has any potential for anything that costs more than a couple thousand dollars to make.

          To wrap this up, removing the money from culture will make people stop making culture. People have always profited from their work, the only thing that will change here is that artists will go back to a different way of creating art; patronage of the wealthy, where you make what the rich person wants, or some other system of finding ways to make money. We can already see this in video games in the godawful amount of multiplayer shooters on the market.

          You want to convince me that we can abolish copyright; prove to me that whatever you’re replacing it with won’t degrade the quality of culture.

          Oh, and let’s talk about music and TV shows and videogames, not music. Music is the easy one; its costs are in marketing, not creation. Let’s try and make a model that will work for something that really costs money to create.

        • Friend of the People

          To finish that second paragraph; the constitution doesn’t bend to the will of the people, it protects rights despite what the majority may think. If the public really thinks that the law should be changed, let them rise up and say so. Let them protest. Where are those pirate protests anyway? Don’t think I’ve seen one. Hell, in this country, a pirate hasn’t ever even run for office.

          Remind me why just attempting to change the laws legally isn’t an option? Why not, you know, try? I mean, it’s worked for other formerly unpopular positions. Smoking pot was really controversial, and now it’s being slowly legalized? Why not try that? Why does it have to start with the assumption that not enough people would support you… Oh, I think I just answered my own question. Never mind, just disregard this paragraph.

  • Anonymous

    Copyright holders in most cases are the labels. Most artist will not see any of the monies.

    • Friend of the People

      If the artists sign over their rights in exchange for the benefits they get (like enough publicity to put on good concerts, or enough money to actually make the movie/game), that’s their choice, just like it would be their choice if they wanted to void their rights and let their art be open for copying. The key for pirates should be to create a system where the benefits that publishers and record labels provide are made unnecessary or are provided directly by the fans, but that system doesn’t currently exist. We only need to look at A Lonely Place for Dying’s pitiful $3719 out of $40,000 (not even for covering their costs, but just to secure a theatrical release), to see that the system of “make it and then hope for donations” isn’t going to work well, particularly since most expensive products will need investments, which don’t have an analogue in the digital world.

      • Anonymous

        You know, I’ve heard good things about A Lonely Place for Dying, but even then it doesn’t seem like my cup of tea. Which I think is a problem. Not trying to argue with you, just looking at it from another perspective. Something like that is probably aimed at a niche audience, which could explain why it didn’t receive much in the way of donations or whatnot. And the torrenting crowd, as big as it may be (and I can’t estimate how big it may or may not be) probably isn’t huge compared to the average audience (comparing people who know about A Lonely Place for Dying to something like Transformers 3), which would further hurt it.

        I mean George Hotz, in under a week managed to receive (over) $10,000 for his fight against Sony. A fight he and Sony then settled, but he made that much because his audience was the gaming crowd. And not everyone who donated did so just to jailbreak their PS3s and then pirate stuff. Quite a few did it because they didn’t like Sony’s approach to the issue, when Microsoft has shown that “jailbreaking” one’s console can be done, without affecting others (they ban modded consoles and that’s it, no way to get unbanned). Not really the best example, but I’m kind of out of it right now. Running on a severe lack of sleep. (I suffer from insomnia.)

        The system you speak of, the one that we wish could come around (essentially cutting out the middle men) would be a good one. It just seems difficult to get off the ground (at the moment). Overall, I think we’re all too stuck in a certain mindset and no one wants to take a leap of faith and get it going. It would take one success story (but a notable one) and it could get going. Like a snowball down a hill. The only thing comparable I can think of is comics. I know there are a few creator owned and released ones online. But they’re not huge or well known things. They’ve gotten articles written about them, and the profits from sales (and they only sell them digitally) go directly to the creators. But none are notable enough to really take notice of beyond the targeted comic buying audience (and only a small portion of it even then).

        • Guest123

          Yeah, you’re pretty much right on there. A solution is possible, but it doesn’t currently exist.

          I’d encourage you to check out the movie. I wouldn’t really label it as a niche film. It’s good, and I think most people would like it.

        • Anonymous

          Cool, I’ll look into the movie then as soon as I get a day off or this weekend.

          As for a solution, while not currently existing, some people are making an effort. I didn’t expand on the example I did give, but one is in motion. But like all things it takes time. And because it is a new solution/model it’s going to have growing pains, so to speak. I’m 25, going on 26 next week. I wouldn’t be surprised if within my lifetime we see major changes to the movie/music/game/book industries in general. I say within 10 years we’ll see some kind of decent working solution, it might not be big, but it’ll be something we can point to and say “see, it’s gotten off the ground”, within 20 we’ll see more common adoption, within 30 I figure it’ll be the “norm”. Of course I could be wrong. But the times they are a-changin’ (to borrow a line from Dylan), and technology’s advancing at a tremendous rate. It’s only inevitable that we’re in for a major shift in industry practices/consumerism in general.

    • Friend of the People

      If the artists sign over their rights in exchange for the benefits they get (like enough publicity to put on good concerts, or enough money to actually make the movie/game), that’s their choice, just like it would be their choice if they wanted to void their rights and let their art be open for copying. The key for pirates should be to create a system where the benefits that publishers and record labels provide are made unnecessary or are provided directly by the fans, but that system doesn’t currently exist. We only need to look at A Lonely Place for Dying’s pitiful $3719 out of $40,000 (not even for covering their costs, but just to secure a theatrical release), to see that the system of “make it and then hope for donations” isn’t going to work well, particularly since most expensive products will need investments, which don’t have an analogue in the digital world.

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  • Moses Avalon

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  • dwizz

    Honestly, was it ever an issue in the 90′s when you asked a friend to burn you a new CD they had just got? did you see the record companies going after the people who make blank cd’s??? NO it was only an issue if you burn the disk and then sell it. Now people who make money off subscriptions to sites that have music available to download are they ones to blame, IF THEY ARENT PAYING THE ARTIST A PERCENTAGE. Other wise.. .people making a torrent, then putting it out for free, to me at least is no different than burning a cd for a friend.

    Also, do you think the artist would have preferred i never heard there music? or that i found them through digging around on a torrent website and if i like em enough will prolly buy a ticket to see them live at some point? The fact of the matter is if i couldn’t download music I would probably not be so in love with all the different genres i hold dearly today.

    Indie music is drivin by the internet… The world is changing and everyone should get on board instead of being greedy. Look at artists like PRETTYLIGHTSMUSIC.COM he gives all his music away for free and then proceeds to sell out shows around the country and plays internationally as well.

    what it comes down too IMO is there is a handful of artists (prolly that started off when CD sales still mattered) and other people in the industry as well as lawyers that see a way to make an easy buck, LETS JUST SUE EM RIGHT!? I am an independent electronic music producer as well as DJ and i for one can honestly say i would be extatic to find out my music had been downloaded by 100,000 people.. for free.. sure i could charge 1.50 a track, but then i bet id be down to 20,000 or less sales and noone would be on my mailing list or frequenting my web site… THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO MAKE MONEY IF U HAVE THE FANS.

    it’s perverted that people that dont even have a love for music are trying to make money off people who cant stop listening. dont be self righteous and say, well get a job and buy it… It’s not even about that, its about finding 100′s of songs in a night and filtering through them to find one new artist that you love and when you find them, then you buy a t-shirt, you go to there show, you post there music on your facebook so other people can here them..

    • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com S.J. Doe

      You sound way more convincing that hordes of twisted-tongued lawyers. That’s the voice of common sense that those dwellers of Kafkian universe try to silence.

      All this talk about poor hungry artists, negligence theories etc. are merely excuses in a quest for easy extortion money.

      Anti-piracy lawyers try to smuggle excuses disguised as a reasons. They can deceive our sight, but not the sense of smell. And bullshit stinks, there is no such a perfume that can mask this smell.

    • Friend of the People

      If artists want to give their music away, that’s fine, but you can’t make that choice for them. By removing copyright, you take away that choice.

      You also can’t say that they should want to give it away. Some artists don’t want to. Some have gone on record saying that they find the illegal downloading disrespectful. You can’t just say that artists should want to give their music away, because you don’t get to set the standard for what artists should want.

      Even if they would be more successful giving their music away and relying on merchandise, it’s still their choice, for better or for worse. They have the right to make decisions that will cost them fans.

      And finally, it’s not all about music either. What about video games? There aren’t any concerts for games. Only the very memetic ones get any form of merchandise, and the profits from those are incredibly low (probably because very few people really want video game merchandise). What about movies, or TV shows? You’re applying a standard that MIGHT work for music to other forms of culture. That’s illogical at best, and deceptive at worst.

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  • Quantumlizardeffect

    Its really annoying how a few shills for the music industry can keep posting here under different names. Go away shills! ….not that saying such will do any good. I met a girl once whose goal in life was to work for the RIAA, which she had had an internship with back in college. She loved it because she got paid to go to parties with her boss, and could drink at work. She thought it was the best thing ever. That was all her life amounted to; wanting to meet famous people, drink at work, make money, and party. I had a conversation with her about the morality of her chosen path, and she just looked at me as if I were crazy. It had never, ever occurred to her to even consider the moral implications for a single moment.

    • Friend of the People

      You know, I really love how people just discard arguments by using that tired old escapism “they’re just shills”. It reeks of a certain weakness, an inability to actually make a convincing argument. Besides, think about it; why would a record company pay someone to post stuff here? It doesn’t make any sense. Try applying Occam’s Razor here and you’ll come to this conclusion; not everyone agrees with your point of view, and some of us care enough to try to dissuade from taking a course that we think will cause a huge decrease in the quality of entertainment produced.

      Deflecting arguments may be easy, but it doesn’t speak highly of your mental faculties. I have much more respect for people like Electric_Worry or Anonionixa. At least they’ll try to make a convincing argument.

  • Quantumlizardeffect

    Its really annoying how a few shills for the music industry can keep posting here under different names. Go away shills! ….not that saying such will do any good. I met a girl once whose goal in life was to work for the RIAA, which she had had an internship with back in college. She loved it because she got paid to go to parties with her boss, and could drink at work. She thought it was the best thing ever. That was all her life amounted to; wanting to meet famous people, drink at work, make money, and party. I had a conversation with her about the morality of her chosen path, and she just looked at me as if I were crazy. It had never, ever occurred to her to even consider the moral implications for a single moment.

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    Have you guys read the spreadsheets!?? Most of the Suing Companies are all porn sites! Lmaooooooo, I don’t even know what to say. Perhaps, “Don’t risk getting caught downloading that 1 porn movie from bit torrent, when you can just watch Tens of Thousands on FREE PORN SITES. You guys should try XNXX.com, great site, and no lawsuits.

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    One of the most concerning things is that their evidence is flawed at the best of times: http://cyborgs.wikia.com/wiki/Fined_for_using_the_internet%3F_Possible_as_of_today_in_NZ

  • Layoffguru2

    This is all B.S. There’s no law that says you have to put security on your wi-fi network. Just say you didn’t do it and you think it was some hacker who used your network to download the software. Web sites can track IP Addresses; not your MAC address. Also the last thing hackers do is cover their tracks which means deleting any router logs, etc so there won’t be any trace of them accessing your network.

  • Layoffguru2

    This is all B.S. There’s no law that says you have to put security on your wi-fi network. Just say you didn’t do it and you think it was some hacker who used your network to download the software. Web sites can track IP Addresses; not your MAC address. Also the last thing hackers do is cover their tracks which means deleting any router logs, etc so there won’t be any trace of them accessing your network.

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