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A Lonely Place for Dying A Smash-Hit On BitTorrent

Early July the BitTorrent-powered VODO distribution network delivered one of its most important releases to date. Just one month later and A Lonely Place For Dying hasn’t disappointed. Not only has it just broken the one million download barrier but the title has been the best-seeded movie on BitTorrent worldwide for several weeks.

VODO, the BitTorrent-powered distribution network for independent films, has released a few dozen high-quality movies in the past year but last month saw the premiere of a particularly important title.

Cold War spy thriller A Lonely Place For Dying boasts James Cromwell as Executive Producer, a Hollywood veteran with movies such as LA Confidential, The Green Mile and Secretariat under his belt.

But the talent doesn’t stop there. With actor Michael Wincott on board (The Crow, The Assassination of Richard Nixon, not to mention appearances in dozens of other movies and videogame Halo2) and first-time Director Justin Eugene Evans, the seeds to a great movie had been planted.

On July 1st 2011 those creative seeds were converted to BitTorrent seeds courtesy of VODO and part one of the movie was released out into the wild. Now, just over one month later, A Lonely Place For Dying is proving a smash hit online.

At the time of writing it has climbed to 3rd position in the VODO charts after amassing more than 1 million official downloads. Only Pioneer One and Zenith have achieved more in total but both have been available for several months already and in multiple episodes.

“Achieving over one million downloads on VODO in one month has exceeded our wildest expectations,” director Justin Eugene Evans told TorrentFreak.

“We’ve had well over one million Twitter impressions as well. We’re hoping this evidence will sufficiently convince an analog industry that this film has tremendous potential.”

In addition to huge download stats, for the last couple of weeks A Lonely Place For Dying has also been the best-seeded movie available on BitTorrent worldwide, even beating the likes of Source Code and X-Men First Class.

“You just listed movies with budgets of 32 million and 150 million respectively,” says Evans. “Our budget is only 200 grand. Conventional Wisdom would dictate the opposite; that when a microbudget movie is forced to compete with all the world’s torrented movies we’d be drowned out.

“I’m hoping this proves that there is no direct link between budget and craftsmanship. However, this method only works if the film is rock solid. It doesn’t have to be perfect (nothing is) but if the work lacks compelling characters, quality dialogue and the overall product is not well crafted this marketing tactic will fall on its face.”

This level of exposure is of particular importance to the creators of the movie. Rather than sell the rights to a Hollywood studio they chose to keep control themselves and generate funding through the BitTorrent community instead.

The movie is now undergoing a serialized release on VODO (there will be 5 episodes in total) in the hope that enough donations can be secured to fund a full theatrical release next year, although Evans says current levels of donations are disappointing.

“If every viewer gave us $1.00 we’d have over 1 million right now. That would be enough to reward every cast & crew member, every investor would make a reasonable profit, I’d be paid for my time and we’d have enough left over to make another feature film.”

VODO and BitTorrent aside, July was a great month for A Lonely Place For Dying. The movie won four awards at the Van Wert Independent Film Festival including Best Picture, Best Director, Best Actor and Best Editing.

Of its 40 official festival selections and 45 award nominations, A Lonely Place For Dying has now won an impressive 23 awards including 15 for Best Picture.

Those who still haven’t seen the first part of the movie can download it here. Don’t forget to throw in a few bucks if you enjoyed it.

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  • Jemma Munro

    Why don’t content owners just insert adverts at the beginning and end of the film and throw it onto bittorrent? that way the download stats could count as box office ratings and they could claim money per DL — also first ;3

    • ForFreedom

      Any commercial advert and they’ll never see another cent from me … why do people think that getting an ad is “free lunch”? That’s total nonsense, why are people not responsible enough to contribute directly to the artist? Why do they think that going in a roundabout way of you -> product -> company -> advert -> artist is better than you -> artist?

      Few clicks and you don’ have to pay for your own brainwashing and artist gets several times more. The problem is most file-sharers seem to be true pirates, they’re just cheap bastards hiding behind “greedy industry” but when it comes to supporting artists who do respect their freedom, they’re just as greedy as the industry clinging to they one dollar, pathetic really. As the director said, just $1 from the people who’ve seen it and they’re set for another great movie, don’t hold your breath.

      Kudos to those who have donated (I sent $5) but it is really demoralizing watching the model of pay what you want crash and burn on peoples greed, kind of justifies the response of copyright industry unfortunately ;(

      • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

        It doesn’t justify what the copyright industry are doing, IPR is a tyranny regardless.

        I’ve donated $5 for every episode I’ve watched so far, be it Pioneer One or A Lonely Place For Dying.

        What’s needed is a better donation system, after you click download a pop-up/redirect to a “Would you like to donate?” page and also allow people to set a custom amount to give.

        Partial fail on VODOs account.

        • ForFreedom

          Yeah, I can partially agree with that … most people not donating are probably more lazy than cheap, not that that would be any legitimate excuse not to donate on their part but it would certainly made a HUGE difference if it was easier to donate … standalone “VODO player” with automated download (torrent feed) and direct option to donate would be great.

          Hint, hint VODO! ;)

      • Anon

        Your logic doesn’t make sense. You admit the donations are low but if the filmmakers placed adverts into future episodes you’d stop donating altogether.

        Are they supposed to survive based on your personal ethics alone?

        • ForFreedom

          No, I would like my fellow file-sharers to put their money where their mouth is and actually support freedom instead of just talking about it and use it as an excuse to pirate non-free stuff. If we can not sustain this model as a community then I§m afraid we can say goodbye to freedom and welcome the digital police state we§re going to get.

          Adverts are anti-solution, you just switch one master for another so then it’s not the copyright industry who decides what gets produced but the corporate industry and you get brainwashing included for free, great … that is an improvement how exactly? This kind of attitude comes from people who are trying to figure out a way to get a “free lunch”, in other words they’re just cheap or too irresponsible to support artists directly. But if this is the case then it’s not really the industry to blame but the people … if they’re not responsible enough to support what they like then they get what they ask for in the form of repressive laws and enforcement. There is no way around that.

    • They_Call_Me_Spencah

      I want sunshine and rainbows. I want to eat ice cream. I want to have magic drip from my fingers. I want double rainbow.

      • Momo

        Freak knocker.

        • They_Call_Me_Spencah

          If you want mercy, Momo, you’ll learn to bow down and remember my name as I say “with this ring I thee wed.”

        • They_Call_Me_Spencah

          If you want mercy, Momo, you’ll learn to bow down and remember my name as I say “with this ring I thee wed.”

    • Lawrence

      I think this is a brave and balsy experiment. I was completely unimpressed with Pioneer One, Zenith, The Tunnel, Four Eyed Monsters and most of VODO’s offerings. They aren’t professionally made. They are amateurs with no other options. Four Eyed Monsters is particularly awful. Pioneer One is a great idea but executed by extremely inexperienced filmmakers.

      This is brave because it is an excellently made film. I loved it! And if we all got behind a film like this we’d be creating a new way for professional filmmakers to finance and profit from film. Work like this cannot be done for free. But most of the money in Hollywood movies is not kept by artists it is kept by bankers and lawyers. If we have a direct relationship with the artists then art will be extremely cheap and artists will still make a living.

      The fact we are not fully supporting this is our failing. THis is a chance for us to change the world.

      • The Sausage King

        Yeah with Pioneer One you get the sense it is being rewarded like the slow kid who wins a ribbon at the Special Olympics. A Lonely Place is a totally real movie. The whole time I was watching it I kept turning to my roommate saying “JESUS! Why the FUCK hasnt someone in Hollywoood hired this guy????”

        The lighting is epic. I cant believe this movie was made for 200 grand. I’ll take the filmamker’s word for it but it is really hard to believe because it is sooooooo freakin beautiful. And the whole thing about using the word weapon and not gun…DAMN man I never saw that coming. It was BRILLIANT!!!!

        I’ve watched it twice two times now. I showed it to a friend and asked him what he thought the budget was and he got all snobby and said “Oh I can totally tell this is an independent film. Theres no way this has a 100 million dollar budget. THis is about the same as Hanna.” Hanna had 30 million freaking dollars! How the FUCK did this dude pull this off for 200 grand????

        I dont want to be rude to the other VODO filmmakers but their on the filmmaking short bus ya know? This dudes going to the major leagues. Id blow some old guy in the park to see this dude direct a movie with a real budget. Id fuck his ugly sister to have him teach me some of his tricks.

        • Yoda

          I thought the movie rocked. Tight script. Fucking awesome music. Serious.

        • Maxwell House

          ROTFL! “Id fuck his ugly sister.” That is priceless.

        • Stupify

          Hanna was kinda weird. It started out great but then it fell apart. I don’t know if this looks exactly as big as Hanna but I guess it is close. I can’t do the math or anything but if this looks close to Hanna and it is only a 200 thousand budget that is a huge achievement.

          Hanna made 40 million dollars in the box office. DOes that mean this could make 40 million in the box office?

      • SuperG

        I loved it.

        • Jukakuka

          I thought it was a seriously awesome first episode. Did they plan it as a 5 episode series because it ended perfectly.

        • Stupify

          I thought it was bad ass. Great characters. Music rocked.

    • System Is Down

      I’m not responding to Jemma. I just want to get my comment towards the top because it should be read and most of the other comments are stupid.

      This could change everything if people are paying attention. This is a film that surpasses the enjoyment quality of most Hollywood films. Is it as big/lavish/show-offy as most big budget HOllywood films? Not quite but it is close. It certainly isn’t anything like an independent film. Compare it to Chasing Amy, which was made for about 400 grand 14 years ago. All Kevin Smith ever said is how little money he had and he worked so hard to get it up on the screen…

      …this movie is made for HALF that (adjusted for inflation even less) and it has B-52 bombers, a recreation of seventies DC, gun battles and martial arts. It is beautifully photographed. I mean seriously, the lighting in this is awesome. The music is incredible. When that piano gets louder as the movie’s logo comes out of the shadows it is so awesome. A sky filled with bombers? Who does that on a tiny budget?

      Thats not the main point though. The main point is the film is GOOD. The film is fun to watch. I laughed and got angry and was freaked out just as the filmmakers wanted me to be. That Russian dude is awesome! Who goes halfway around the world to cast a Russian for a tiny movie?

      Hollywood has missed the boat big time. A film is about having a good time. How many giant movies have you seen this summer where you can say the plot makes sense and the characteres are interesting and the dialogue surprised you with how smart it was? I can’t think of any. This film reaches to be way more than what we’ve been told indie films can be but it also does an even better job than big Hollywood movies at what movies should really be doign: being smart and entertaining your audience’s brain.

      Now that being said why isn’t every torrenting site going out of their way to help this film? Why doesn’t Bit Torrent brag about this accomplishment? Why isn’t VODO bragging about one million downloads? VODO is only as good as the films on its site. Up until now I’ve not taken VODO seriously. Their films are shit. This is the first time I took notice. This is their Sopranoes.

      If we make this movie a success there will be more! For the first time ever we can change how we connect with artists. Every torrenting site should have a DONATE NOW thing on their front page. VODO should be on the forums talking about how this is the film to get behind. Bit Torrent should do…I don’t know…SOMETHING. It is as if everyone is completely amazed by this movie but has no clue what to do next. Not even the filmmakers. But that’s okay because filmmakers don’t understand this stuff. VODO does and Bit Torrent does.

      You guys hate Hollywood and you want a change. This is how you get that change. THis isn’t some lame student film or weird artsy thing. This is a real movie. I’d buy this and put it in my collection. I’d pay to see this in the theater.

      • General Shut Yo Face

        I agree. Most of the comments on here are about how great the movie is. It touched something. I don’t know. Maybe because the characters are just more real than most big budget movies? It feels classic in some way. I showed it to a friend and he siad that it reminded him of a Western which is weird because it is a spy film but I don’t think that’s the point. And no I don’t think it looks like a Transformers movie with huge battles but it doesnt feel like an independent film either. I just kept saying to my friends that it is a real movie. I don’t know how else to say it. It just feels like the real thing ya know?

        • Rockaway_Beach

          I read on VODO someone complained that two of the cars in the background dont move enough. What a dumb shit. Those are parked cars!

          No one would ever make such a stupid complaint about a Hollywood film. It is like because it is a movie from a brand new filmmaker everyone assumes it sucks and they nitpick at it. I loved this fucking movie. I want to see the whole thing now! If it was in a movie theater Id go pay to see it right now.

          MY only complaint is I wish there was more of that Wincott dude. He is fucking cool.

  • Guest

    I don’t want to watch a movie cut in 5 pieces… Distribute it as a whole and I’ll give 5$ if I liked it enough… But as is, I’m not even downloading.

    • Hikaricore

      You kinda sound like a little bitch.. are you aware of this?

    • Guest

      “Cut in 5 pieces”? What are you talking about?

      • http://Twitter.com/elisaknockout Elisa ? Knockout™

        Because this changes the way we see media, so the assholes at mpaa can go fuck themselves!! Why complain?. I donated regardless. Raising money is not easy!! Maybe you should try filming and see someone tell you the exact same thing.

        • Filmman101

          THEY DID NOT USE CELLULOID SO IT IS NOT CALLED FILMING OKAY IT IS CALLED SHOOTING OR VIDEOING.

        • http://Twitter.com/elisaknockout Elisa ? Knockout™

          WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU YELLING AT?

        • Filmman202

          You, obviously…..

        • http://Twitter.com/elisaknockout Elisa ? Knockout™

          Well I’m not someone to yell at get over yourself.

        • Filmman101

          WHO THE HELL IS PETENDING TO BE ME?

        • http://Twitter.com/elisaknockout Elisa ? Knockout™

          Lol ok someones having multiple personalities,lmao. filmman101 and 202 have fun arguing with yourselves i’m moving on lol.

      • Stewy

        Five Easy Pieces. Git it?

        • Taintmaster

          I dont understand. Thats a Jack Nicklaus movie from the 70s.

        • Taintmaster

          I dont understand. Thats a Jack Nicklaus movie from the 70s.

        • Razza_Hater

          JACK NICHOLSON YOU MORON.

        • Razza_Hater

          My comment below was meant for the guy below. It doesn’t make sense where it is right now. Torrent Freak should fix that.

      • Guest

        Guest is talking to Guest. That’s funny!

    • ForFreedom

      If people weren’t cheap bastards they wouldn’t need to cut it in 5 pieces, the people who are lazy/cheap to send a dollar are the reason for this … so you’re actually causing it to yourself by this kind of attitude :P

      • Rockaway_Beach

        I donated 20 bucks. The only thing that would be bertter is if the director or an actor came to my house for 20 bucks isntead of the really high price. I’d like to show my friends how I paid for a movie and the people who made it came to my house.

        • Anon

          I donated 20 bucks too! But, you are sorta weird, you know?

        • Anon

          I donated 20 bucks too! But, you are sorta weird, you know?

        • Razza_Hater

          Do you intend to molest them?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IWNTBRWGNJEGD6CEP3HBS52SX4 Grim

      ohhh. Man have you missed out lol. ITS GREAT.

  • Guest

    Everyone who can, please consider donating to these guys on VODO via PayPal/Mastercard/Visa. I am going to. If you can’t, then maybe you could tell your friends & spread the word, or maybe seed for a while.
    What they’re doing her is phenomenal, if they receive enough support hopefully people might begin to accept filesharing – or at least be a bit more open to the idea of BitTorrent.

  • Guest

    PayPal can kiss the big one, but if they were to accept bitcoin…………

    • Guest

      Please look closer on the Vodo page. You’ll find a bitcoin button at the bottom of the donate box.

    • Smackdown

      Use the brain God gave you dimtwat. Your going to deny these people a dollar because you don’t like PayPal? That’s the lamest excuse I’ve ever heard. You’re a little bitch.

      • LibertyLicker

        There is no need to be rude. I agree with both of you. I am no fan of Paypal. I also think denying an artist a donation because you don’t like Paypal shows the truth that the guy never intended to donate anyways and his attempt to justify is a way for his subconscious to hide from the reality that he is a selfish person.

  • Razza

    Not bad, but not great. Not worth money.

    • Me

      I donated $5 for the cause and I haven’t even downloaded it (yet). I applaud their willingness to try this distribution method and I backed that up with my $5.

      • Razza

        I don’t give a shit about them trying this method; we shouldn’t reward mediocrity.

        Besides, the entire point of the torrent distribution is that we don’t have to pay. They should support themselves with advertising. If they can’t get enough money that way, tough shit.

        • Jim_Linderman

          Nice attitude, Razza. But, I doubt you saw the movie. The lighting is kick ass. The special effects are awesome. Ross Marquand, Michael Wincott and James Cromwell deliver kick ass performances. Whoever wrote the script is fucking awesome. The research is amazing. It feels incredibly researched and authenticated. I love the movie.

        • Razza

          I really just thought it was boring. The lighting is good, I’ll give you, but the writing felt fake to me, and overall, the plot bored me. I’m usually not that hard to amuse either.

          As far as I’m concerned, your opinion is simply wrong. It wasn’t a greatt movie. Not a bad movie, but not passing any thresholds to put it beyond average.

          In the end, it wouldn’t really matter if it was, but I’d at least feel a bit better about them asking for money if they didn’t manufacture an assembly-line product.

        • ForFreedom

          You need to understand that at this stage this model is from a large part political, making a stand against corrupt copyright industry and their lobbying … you can not expect more good artists investing serious money if they see that LPFD is struggling to get $40,000, so many people invest largely in the model not the movie per se … where there are money (demand) quality artists will come. It is our move to show they’re welcome!

        • Smackdown

          The moment you were born you were mediocrity.

      • Time to play ball

        Nobody should even bother replying to this fool called “Razza”. Let him say whatever he likes and ignore him. Anyone who visits TF often enough would know this guy neither supports file sharing in the true sense nor does he support Hollywood’s business model. He is basically a cheapskate and a leech who couldn’t care less about anyone as long as he gets to see his movies for free. He is the kind of person who would even spit on the face of the scene guys whose hard work he has been reaping for years, without a second thought.

        As for me, I haven’t seen the movie but will be donating $5. I would like to see this business model succeed for the greater good of all. If it fails, we only have ourselves to blame. We say Hollywood’s business model is dinosaur but the onus is upon us prove that it really is or else we would all look like dumbasses.

        • Smackdown

          Razza is a fool. This rocked. The whole thing about figuring out the guy’s identity because he used the word weapon instead of gun was brilliant. I think Razza was too stupid for the film. It went over his itty bitty head.

    • Smackdown

      You should shut up.

    • Google Lemon Party

      I have to admit I agree with Razza here that the movie as a whole is average. The Russian guy killed it in that role and the guys from the Crow and L.A. Confidential were there to try and give the movie credibility, but other than that it was slow and stagnant in a lot of areas. Lighting might have been good but I don’t remember a time when I ever went to see a movie for the lighting. The whole idea of putting this on a bittorrent site and expecting to make a bunch of money is eerily reminiscent of those monks in the airport who would give you a copy of their book then expect you to pay for it. You know people bittorrent stuff to not pay for it then you get pissed when they don’t pay for it. That sounds naive at best. “Payment” in this community comes in the form of sharing and seeding your downloads for others. If this is how you were planning on making your fortune you might need to reconsider some strategy. So if you really liked it and want to donate, that’s fine but don’t try to guilt those that disagree into paying for free art they didn’t like.

  • Tips

    Well it cant be worse than the big budget Holywood crap.

    • Shastamasta

      I liked it a lot and thought it was cool and I have watched it three times now. YEAH!!!!!

  • Guest

    I haven’t watched it yet but from reading this article it looks like a project I would want to support. So I clicked the Flattr button which will send a few euro cent their way. It makes me feel incredibly generous.

    • Slow Jack

      Aren’t you a cheapskate? A few euro cents? Wow. Cheap. Ass. Bastard.

  • http://Twitter.com/elisaknockout Elisa ? Knockout™

    For those who haven’t seen it, it’s worth viewing and supporting give them credit for telling the mpaa to go shove it. Isn’t that what we want? More projects like this are what we need,

  • spektrum

    IMO, VODO is doing it right by checking out new distribution channels, etc. If the big studios don’t get it, it’s time for someone else to raise.

    What really sucks though, is that they seem to only release new episodes when a certain financial goal per episode is reached. While I understand that most of the projects are sort of semi professional and really need the money for production, it really hurts to do it this way. You cannot release a series without a fixed schedule. It is just a pain in the ass to watch an episode, and then have to wait several months for the next episode. The viewers have a hard time sticking to it.

    While I understand that the projects have to be financed, I would prefer some sort of “pre-order” where one would collect money beforehand, maybe based on a rough sketch and some trailers or so and then release the episodes on a determined schedule.

    Besides that, thumbs up for VODO, at least someone is _trying_ !

    • Razza

      Well, that’s the problem with the torrent model; no easy source of investment.

      • spektrum

        Well, if the current model is such a safe source of investment, why are they crying out so much because of piracy?

        On the other hand, if there are _millions_ of downloads on vodo, but _not_ every single one is spending at least a buck, how come they demand gigazillions in court due to lost profit?!?

        The problem here is not the source of investment, but a lack of spirit because it is still so much easier to grab money by whining around and complaining about the bad bad pirates.

        • Razza

          They’re crying out because they think they’re losing profit. It’s not just about the ability to make any profit, it’s about how big of a profit they can make.

          You think there isn’t an investment problem? Bull. Someone who goes to a movie producer has money to make their movie. Someone starting from the torrent model has to get that money themselves. They either have to have the money to start with, which an unestablished artist won’t have, or they have to get someone else to front the money, which is problematic because most investors aren’t in the film business, and your average person isn’t just going to give money to a project they know little about. That’s one of the simplest reasons for people going to film companies.

          If you’re going to argue on our side, at least know what you’re arguing about. Know the issues before you argue them. You make us look bad if you try stupid arguments that ignore the reality of how things work.

      • Smackdown

        Razza is a master of the obvious.

      • Razza_Hater

        You should lick ballz.

    • ForFreedom

      This is not really a complain to bring to VODO but the cheap bastards who watch it and do not contribute a cent! Really, 60 grand for a show like Pioneer One? You’re kidding me … that should’ve been there in 3 days! And they’re essentially forced to beg for money instead, seriously … this is ridiculous.

      You know what’s the difference between a pirate and a file-sharer? File-sharer supports free/libre content while pirate is just leeching … I’m really disappointed to see that most of the so called “file-sharers” are actually just true cheap pirates.

      If we can’t find 30,000 people from our community out of 1,000,000 downloads who would give $2 for Pioneer One, that’s just sad … proved the arguments from RIAA, MPAA right, can we prove it wrong? I would hope so but watching this is really demoralizing …

      • Smackdown

        Are you a shill for Pioneer One? Because this isn’t about Pioneer One. This is about a film called A Lonely Place For Dying. Did you read the title? Or are you too busy flapping your hands and spinning in circles?

        • Anonymous

          Dude. You need to chill.

    • Anonymous

      Many want to preview man. Funding up front is what we do with the MPAA. As in pay before you see.

    • Time to play ball

      If they didn’t wait to reach a certain financial goal and went on making episodes after episodes without knowing if would be able to have Return of Investment, they would be totally broke, assuming they would be spending the money out of their own pockets. At this point in time, they aren’t supported by the wealthy studios and hence investment is gonna be a problem understandably.

      The fact that they are not reaching their financial figure in time and are having to wait longer is actually a blot on the torrent distribution model. Some us are trying to show the MPAA that this distribution can work by donating but unless and until we all get on the same boat, nothing will happen.

  • BlarG

    Part of the problem is you cant select how much to donate…
    I actually cant afford to donate 5 bucks because I’m broke as ‘ell.
    I could do two or three though. That couple bucks actually does make a difference for me…

    • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

      agree …the practicality of donor choice is backward……
      Shows a clear lack of understanding about the reality of donors financial circumstances….

      @ Justin Eugene Evans

      also…. The Psychology of Money donation

      psychological studies have shown that it is more profitable to ask for less AND let the donor decide the actual donation price…..
      AND ALSO ask for unreasonably high amounts as a way to raise donors , donation amount…….

      Ask for (1p or 1c) (£1 or $1) (£3 or $3) (£5 or $5) (£10 or $10) ..50…100..1000

      The donor then thinks……

      yeah I will donate then……. it’s not that much…..

      I will pay more than 1c…….But I wont pay $1000 or even $50

      I can afford X $ ( range of $1 – $10)……..

      so will pay that…….

      Watch: http://youtu.be/TTHpqcTy3Co

      Has a light explanation of donor psychology…
      _________________________________________________

      • Anonymous

        Also, I just grabbed the torrent while being half braindead. And i did not see the donate button.

        Why not direct to a “would you like to donate” page after clicking the torrent link?
        Or put the donations option before you get the torrent. Make two buttons:

        (Download and donate to the project) VS (Download and help the project later).

        I’m serious, you have to guide people into the donate area. People are stupid. I just proved it because i came from this article and i knew there was a donate button somewhere and i missed it. Maybe my brain censored it for me…

        Don’t worry, still going to donate :p

    • BlarG Haz No Cheezeburger

      You are stupid. If you look at the donations you’ll see many people have done smaller donations. The $5.00 donation is just a suggestion. You can enter whatever you want.

    • BlarG Haz No Cheezeburger

      You are stupid. If you look at the donations you’ll see many people have done smaller donations. The $5.00 donation is just a suggestion. You can enter whatever you want.

    • BlarG Haz No Cheezeburger

      You are stupid. If you look at the donations you’ll see many people have done smaller donations. The $5.00 donation is just a suggestion. You can enter whatever you want.

  • Anon

    Enigmax ended with “Don’t forget to throw in a few bucks if you enjoyed it.” because that’s eventually the point. Talent of this quality and achievement on this level is expensive and the important reason why the industries and their best talents haven’t “let it all go free”. If they did, they know they won’t get paid very much.

    And as long as a full ticket at the box office or a retail purchase of a DVD or legal download returns a better margin and makes movies like this more possible in the future, the industry will continue to support the government in enforcing this equation.

    Many of us have said (for years) if pirates just threw money in equivalent amounts directly at the creators, they’d make industry irrelevant in months and do it legally and there’s no way they could stop you. But pirates don’t, and every creator knows it. The point of piracy is piracy, getting something for sale for nothing.

    As long as piracy defines itself by its own cheap actions, pirates will always be hunted and punished with the creators full support.

    • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

      “”As long as piracy defines itself by its own cheap actions, pirates will always be hunted and punished with the creators full support. “”

      Are you mentally insane….. ? ….. seriously are you ?

      You wrote that comment in this article……..

      also… dvd’s should NEVER be sold for more than the disc is worth…

      No problems here about paying to see a movie in the cinema……..
      ( Films….in a place where they are made for…)

      ** why is this film not in cinemas ? ? huh…. industry troll can’t defend his industry for shunting films….. that are NOT made or “”licensed”" by the MAFFIA members ?

      I WOULD PAY to see this in a cinema……..

      I HAVE DONATED to support the creators who did NOT TRY TO RIP ME OFF…..
      by trying to sell me a worthless copy…….

      Go back to school @Anon …….

      If something can be copied endlessly…. it is worthless….

      Better still….. pay me 1dollar for every time you see the number…….
      12342134321892598342589745897234857203457092358709238
      I own that number….. copyright you see….

      • ForFreedom

        Huh? The point is that people get what they pay for, if they/we continue to pay for DVDs and go to cinemas to copyright restricted movies backed by digital-police-state lobbying industry then that’s exactly what we’ll get! It works like advertised … until people throw comparable money at free/libre works as they do at copyright locked down ones then we’ll see the shift, until then we as a community are just a bunch of whiners who can’t put their money where their mouth is …

        • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

          “”The point is that people get what they pay for,“”

          ok… you win ….. Hotel Mini-Bars is proof of that………

      • Guest123

        I’m afraid this isn’t just about you ANoiXiona. This is about the majority of filesharers, who unfortunately do not donate money like you do. The point is that most filesharers are, in fact, just pirates, who do what they do because they are cheap and don’t want to pay. There are good filesharers who stick to the ideal of what a filesharer should be, but most don’t fall into that category.

        Also, I’m not sure if you’re aware of this, but most luxury goods aren’t sold at production cost.

        • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

          “”I’m afraid this isn’t just about you ANoiXiona. “”

          The fucking cheek of some people……..tut…tut….

          IT’s ALL….and ALWAYS about me……..

          My business model……
          My treatment of MY fans….
          My monopoly to sell worthless data….
          My right to pay TROLLS to post on any film related topic on TF
          My abuse of power against those I disagree with…….
          My right to call fans who spend more than non-fans… “freetards”……
          My disregard for technological advancements……

          Me , me , Me , me-me…….. ( don’t be distracted…think about ME )

          breaks into song ALOUD in public place…… oh the horror … in a copyright infringing public performance …

          it’s all about me…….
          it’s all about me baby……
          it’s all about me…
          it’s all about me baby…..

          _________________________________________________________

          “” I’m not sure if you’re aware of this, but most luxury goods”" CAN’T BE COPIED ENDLESSLY AT ZERO COST & “” aren’t sold at production cost. “”

          _________________________________________________________

          I have to give it too you…… Your whole comment…… you refrained …..

          You really , really wanted to call us “Fans who share”…… Freetards…..
          (you practically did with other words tho… :(

          Burst your bubble…..and your argument…..

          Record cinema profits…..
          Record music units sold…….(and events)
          Record games sold………
          Record software sold……..

          But keep clinging onto DVD business model and such….. the people will forgive you for stripping their freedom to share worthless copyable info….

        • Guest123

          For what you said about luxery goods; them not being able to be replicated endlessly doesn’t detract from the fact that they still cost much more than the cost of production. Physical items can easily have a 500% markup over cost of production. Necessities don’t. Luxeries do.

          And the things we’re paying for isn’t a physical copy; it’s the creative act. We need a constant supply of new creation, therefore, the supply isn’t unlimited. Your problem is that you’re using the wrong variable in the supply/demand equation.

          It wouldn’t matter anyway, because the free-market approach to not having a luxury good supplied at the price you want is to not buy that good.

          For your other post; theatres ususally only reserve movies that they think they can profit on. Indie theatres have smaller costs, and can take more risks. For an indie guy going into a mainstream theatre, they have no large organization backing the movie, so there is no mark of widespread appeal (not to mention that they usually only take rated movies, and many indie movies are unrated. Uncertain about his).

          That’s not even mentioning the cost of a limited distribution company, if they choose to hire one.

          And advertising to make sure people actually hear about their film.

          There are costs. Making a movie is only part of the equation. Actually getting it into films takes work.

        • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

          How much you spend on producing is irrelevant…… to this argument…..

          Other businesses have had to move on… with the times… as times have changed.
          The movie industry still tries to cling on the past….. Move on…. get a new business model….

          “”Actually getting it into films takes work. “”

          NO … it takes a distribution , licensing deal with the cartel of studios… Who practically run the whole cinema industry…..

        • ForFreedom

          As far as I can see there isn’t much of a business in this model when they’re struggling to get $40,000 from 1,000,000 downloads… for a “new business model” to be viable it needs to actually work you know … and that’s for us to prove, time will tell if we can.

      • Guest123

        Also, it’s not in cinemas because they didn’t have enough money to get in. They’re doing the torrent thing to try and raise enough money to get a theatrical release. The “industry” isn’t doing anything to prevent that. Don’t assign blame randomly.

        • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

          They can’t sell a finished product……. because they haven’t enough money ?

          Why can’t the cinemas ,
          download a copy … make a private deal with the creators…. done.?
          Distribution is currently controlled by who ?

          Distribution is now just a click of a button , that’s reality……
          Fat bastard distributors (bridge trolls) want a slice of the cake for doing sweet f.a.

          The beloved industry IS responsible…… ( no “random blame” )

          Still grasping on to old business models that are not fit for purpose today……..

        • Stealth Finger

          That doesnt make any sense. I used to work in a movie theater. You don’t have to pay to get a screening slot at a movie theater moron. You have to have a big enough ad budget that the theater believes you can sell tickets.

          Dewd, seriously think about it…the point of what this film is doing is it needs an advertising budget. ANd I think this is brilliant because the VODO release is part of their advertising! We all know about this tiny movie now. That should make it a lot easier for them to book it into a theater.

          But you should try to understand how things work before you open your mouth. You sound stupid.

      • Anon

        If copyable content is “worthless” then why do educated, career-oriented creators put their time and talent and serious amounts of essential cash into creating it, expecting to be paid by you if you then partake in it?

        Seriously ANoiXioNA, you are a virtual font of the most uneducated, stupidest comments. If creators want to better understand why they are being ripped off everyday, subscribing to your asinine bullshit is a good place to begin that comprehension.

        • http://www.facebook.com/chronoss.uha1 Chronoss Uha

          oh like we pay for distribution that befor ebit torrent was 99% of the cost and yet they still want to keep that cost so they can drive around in rich cars and own fancey houses while there own country goes broke…YUP great way to do it.

          LET the people starve and die off that will solve piracy.

      • ANoiXioNA Can Like Me

        Why do you write so fucking weird man? How about THREE DOTS to make an elipse? Why use an @ when you can just use their name? Multiple question marks make you look like a little Japanese girl texting on her cell phone.

        Everything about your writing style screams you had a shitty education.

  • Anon

    “If every viewer gave us a dollar….”

    lol
    Let’s hope he’s not holding his breath.

    • Anonymous

      I like the spicy. I like so much spicy.

    • http://www.facebook.com/chronoss.uha1 Chronoss Uha

      he should have said a penny…..

      • LibertyLicker

        You are a loser.

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  • Anonymous

    Bit Torrent really is just cool like that. Wow.

    privacy-tools.no.tc

  • getoffayaweebassa

    the film industry structure locks out ordinary people from showing, that is why we have cannes etc, to showcase pobre bastados and their wares. this structure is what all the fuss is about, it needs tearing apart. going to the cinema just helps the film industry perpetuate itself and its prosecutions. boycott cinema and the film industry will be on its knees begging for pay p2p, or the likes.

  • Eli

    1mil downloads …. “TOTAL DONATIONS: $3479 / $40000″

    I’m honestly disappointed in my peers :(

    • Anon

      Disappointed because pirates take and never give back? We all knew that already, Eli. What’s so surprising about this? It’s called PIRACY for good reason.

      If ever there was an unassailable argument why pirates deserve surveillance and punishment, harsh punishment, it’s the cowardly arguments they offer that they WOULD pay directly to the creator if only they liked the goods and had a chance. So here it is. No one has to bribe a legislator with facts on the table like this.

    • http://www.facebook.com/chronoss.uha1 Chronoss Uha

      and ya have to think that with disappointing donations like that for the number of downloads….it will just give more umf to screw pirates in the end anyways….

      • Chronos Is A Jackass

        Why don’t you step up to the plate and start changing the world?

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  • Ddd

    make it a streaming business like netflix, monthly fee i would subscribe

    • Jukakuka

      This is almost a good idea. Almost. Right now this is the only professional movie on VODO. How does VODO get another hundred professional films? Even ten would be hard. The truth is VODO is lucky to hvae a film this good. I don’t see this working with the typical crap they select.

  • Anon

    This is just not my cup of tea. If it had been Sci Fi then I would of taken a look.

    • Precious

      So your an anonymous jacktard who decided something wasn’t your “cup of tea” without watching it. What a fountain of wisdom you are you coward! WHY NOT GROW A SACK AND USE YER NAME? And, who gives a retarded rats ASS what you care about? You a derzly NARCISSIST who thinks because you breath and masterbate your SPECIAL.

      HOw about you ram your worthless thoughts right up that dirty bunghole of yers?

      • Stencils

        No more caffeine for you.

      • LibertyLicker

        Derzly is not a word.

    • Anon Hates Anon

      How do you know it doesn’t become Sci Fi? I heard it starts out as a spy thriller but then a spaceship lands and a pregnant robot with a monocle joins the team. The robot depseratatly needs to get to a auto mechanic for an abortion. Everyone is sad. Then Arnold shows up as a cameo and beats up the robot. She shats her robo-baby on the sidewalk. It has mind powers and none of the humans survive.

      And since it is scifi the characters can be action figures! Plus, HAPPY MEAL TIME! Yeah! The one and only genre you care about is awesome!

      • LibertyLicker

        You are fucking crazy.

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  • townie2

    i don’t get it. when Hobo With a Shotgun came out on torrent sites, everyone is posting for the guy to add a donate button to his site, now for this one there is a donate button, and everyone (almost) is still complaining.

    • Anon

      Well, that filmmaker was French. This guy is a filthy American. Isn’t that answer enough? Fuck him and his spy movie. He’s not special.

      • Jesus Loves You

        Did you watch the film?

        • Anon

          I don’t have to see his fucking movie you idiot religious zealot. Hes a FUCKING AMERICAN. How good can it be? It’s a movie about spies made by AN AMERICAN. That automatically means it is going to be a stupid, unrealistic James-Bond-Jason-Bourne PIECE OF SHIT.

          I can just tell the guy is arrogant. He thinks he is so special. Who the FUCK does he think he is? He hasnt done anything any of us couldnt do. FUck him and his stupid fucking movie.

        • Anonymous

          Are you being sarcastic (or ironic), or are you genuinely racist? I feel a bit like a noob for having to ask, but the internet does make it hard to distinguish parody from the real thing.

      • Chronos Is A Jackass

        Wow. A Liberal American makes a movie about CIA war crimes and the Soviet KGB agent in the film is the hero…and you automatically dismiss it. Do you have any clue how different this is from nearly every single spy movie every American has EVER made?

  • http://www.facebook.com/chronoss.uha1 Chronoss Uha

    and while its pretty good its not the best film ever …imagine a star trek or bond film doing this….

    • Chronos Is A Jackass

      because star trek and bond films are so very good? what fucking planet do you live on?

    • Razza_Hater

      Chronoss I’ve decided to hate you more than Razza. Who said it is supposed to be the best film ever? That’s a ridiculous statement. Better than Citizen Kane? Better than The Shawshank Redemption? That’s a completely subjective statement.

      Is the film good? Yes. Is it great? I THINK SO! How about we judge the film on its own merits. It was well written, the characters are fascinating, the cinematography is totally awesome, the music is beautiful, the visual effects are extremely professional particularly for a microbudget film and it isn’t some boring arthouse thing like most indie filmmakers make. I’d give it an 8.5 out of 10. That’s more than I’d give almost every film of this year. Thor sucked…I’d give it a 6 out of 10. Transformers 3 was visually cool but the story was so stupid I felt like the filmmakers are insulting me. I’d give it a 3 out of 10 for story and 9 out of 10 for visual effects. Captain America was good but the story still needed more work. I’d give it a 7 out of 10. Horrible Bosses was not funny and it was so cheap looking. I’d give it a 4 out of 10.

      For me this has been the best movie of the summer. I want to see the whole thing. I don’t care if it shits gold bricks. That’s a crazy standard and makes no sense. How does it compare to what is out right now? The answer is it is better than almost everything! It is an awesome awesome movie! Perfect? No. Best in history? No. Still awesome? YES!

      And if you suffered through the last awful James Bond film you’d reassess big time. That movie was awful. And it had a stupid title. Quantum of Solace? WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT EVEN MEAN??? James Bond hasn’t been good since the first Pierce Brosnan bond and before that they made 10 crappy films in a row. Star Trek’s reboot was okay…but the plot made no sense. You can’t fly through a black hole! And the villain was so lame! I’d give Star Trek a 7 out of 10 (mostly because the casting was so good.)

      So how does this movie compare? It is far better than most of the shitty bond movies and on par with a great Star Trek film. And it was made by a dude for a tiny, tiny budget. So that should count for something.

  • Shaka MAN

    I AM THE SHAKA MAN. THIS FILM IS AWESOME AND IT IS PROOF THAT YOU ARE ALL THE CHEAPEST OF MEN. YOU DRINK YOUR GATORADE AND DOWNLOAD YOUR PORN BUT GIVEN THE CHANCE TO CHANGE IT ALL UP YOU DO NOTHING BECUZ YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW WE LIVE IN THE MATRIX AND ONLY YOU CAN MAKE A CHANGE. LIVE THE SHAKA!

    • They_Call_Me_Spencah

      I want to shine my double rainbow up your poop shoot. I want you to drip with my love. Is that okay with you?

      • Razza_Hater

        What the hell is wrong with you?

  • Trambo247

    I hate Hollywood and if you ask me this film feels way too much like a Hollywood film. It has Hollywood movie stars and it is shot like a Hollywood film. Yeah I was entertained but I don’t think that’s the point. The film should be something totally different. Why spies? There are 100 spy movies every year including that one made with Angelie Jolie. Why can’t it be about something like a school teacher or a little girl? I just don’t see this as different enough. Why can’t someone invent a new camera shot or do stuff with the camera that has never been done before? Its like art in the 20th century, this movie should have been like that. IT should have been something completely different and weird and strange like a Jackson Pollock painting but made with a camera. That would have gotten my attention. I’d tell everyone to go see that.

  • Trambo247

    I hate Hollywood and if you ask me this film feels way too much like a Hollywood film. It has Hollywood movie stars and it is shot like a Hollywood film. Yeah I was entertained but I don’t think that’s the point. The film should be something totally different. Why spies? There are 100 spy movies every year including that one made with Angelie Jolie. Why can’t it be about something like a school teacher or a little girl? I just don’t see this as different enough. Why can’t someone invent a new camera shot or do stuff with the camera that has never been done before? Its like art in the 20th century, this movie should have been like that. IT should have been something completely different and weird and strange like a Jackson Pollock painting but made with a camera. That would have gotten my attention. I’d tell everyone to go see that.

  • Trambo247

    I hate Hollywood and if you ask me this film feels way too much like a Hollywood film. It has Hollywood movie stars and it is shot like a Hollywood film. Yeah I was entertained but I don’t think that’s the point. The film should be something totally different. Why spies? There are 100 spy movies every year including that one made with Angelie Jolie. Why can’t it be about something like a school teacher or a little girl? I just don’t see this as different enough. Why can’t someone invent a new camera shot or do stuff with the camera that has never been done before? Its like art in the 20th century, this movie should have been like that. IT should have been something completely different and weird and strange like a Jackson Pollock painting but made with a camera. That would have gotten my attention. I’d tell everyone to go see that.

  • Fembot

    The point of all this is simple. Is the film good? Yes. Do we want more good films that we control? Yes. So why are we not doing something about it? I donated 20 bucks.

  • V9v9vhuh

    I loved the movie! I thought it was perfect as is! I’m happy there is more but I was stunned with how perfectly it ended.

    The movie is at almost 1.1 million downloads. It hasn’t earned 4 thousand dollars. If you ask me that is proof VODO should go work for Hollywood. How much did VODO spend to make this movie? 200 thousand? That’s a lot of money! If VODO can produce movies for 200 thousand that are this good and we don’t want to support the films then they should go work for Hollywood.

    • shatner_is_god

      You are a moron. VODO didn’t produce this movie. They bought it and paid to distribute it on their website. The film was totally made by those other guys. They sold their film and now VODO owns it.

      • Old Guy

        You are both MORONS. The film was produced by a company called Humble Magi. They made and own the film. VODO is licensing the movie and distributing it in a serialized form online.

        This is so easy to understand if you slow down and read. You just have to read. Stop masterbating to Megan Fox pictures, remember that there was a time when Hollywood made real films and READ.

        Fucking idiots.

  • Minidock

    I don’t think the filmmakers should be trying to make money from this. Making money as an artist is wrong. If they really want to change the world they should just make the movie and give it to us.

    • Fortheloveofpete

      What the hell man??? Do you have a job? How about whatever you do you should do it for free because I said so! Lametard to the max!!!!

      Personally I hope they get rich from doing this and make more movies that come strictly through BT. That would be awesome.

    • Fortheloveofpete

      What the hell man??? Do you have a job? How about whatever you do you should do it for free because I said so! Lametard to the max!!!!

      Personally I hope they get rich from doing this and make more movies that come strictly through BT. That would be awesome.

    • downwithtruth2357

      You don’t think artists should make money? Who should make money if not artists? Is it okay that bankers, accountants, Costco employees, dentists, doctors, waiters, municipal workers and IT technicians make money?

  • Stew

    I would like the quold of a hopt sum fid.

    • Lickmylovepump

      BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! That makes no sense.

  • LeePayton

    Everything about the first part of ALPFD is very amazing. I’ve already watched it 3 times and dying for the rest. I really dig the cinematography and extreme realism. I’ll keep preaching the word and can’t wait to see the rest.

  • downwithtruth2357

    This story is now 3 days old. Here is what we know:

    1.) Most of the people on this site are crazy.
    2.) Despite that they love this movie.
    3.) And many are willing to pay to see it in the theater.
    4.) Except the one ass monkey who thinks Star Trek films are better.
    5.) And if we all collectively donated 1 dollar these filmmakers could make more movies.
    6.) Which means more filmmakers would copy them.
    7.) Which would lead to some good movies, many awful movies and a few excellent films.
    8.) Giving us the power to determine which artists succeed or fail.
    9.) And not corporations.

    Wow. That’s actually mindblowing. Anyone going to DO something about it?

    • Stemcelluloisistic

      Wow man. Thats a really good summary of 100-150 comments. I wish we could hot link right to your summary and skip over the crazy stuff.

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  • Greasemonkey45

    I’m going to venture a guess that the majority of these comments are posted by poeple that are somehow involved in the making of this move.

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