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Angry Judge Tears Prenda Copyright Trolls Apart

In the last episode of the astonishing story of Prenda Law, a judge ordered the copyright trolls to appear in court Monday to face allegations of misconduct. At the last minute the law firm tried to squirm out of the hearing and true to their word failed to appear in court yesterday. The hearing went ahead without them and according to those present they now face the wrath of an angry judge, who at one point essentially referred to Prenda as liars.

It’s been a long time coming but finally the highly questionable actions of copyright trolling company Prenda Law are being laid bare.

The company has subjected hundreds of individuals to intense misery with their actions so it was no surprise that a few hours ago Twitter was alive with people eagerly waiting news of a Prenda bloodbath.

Although there was no immediate execution, the crowds didn’t go home disappointed. Developments were relayed in detail by Ken at Popehat who described the Los Angeles courtroom as playing host to “one of the most remarkable hearings I have ever witnessed.”

The subject of the hearing was Judge Wright’s Order to Show Cause, which gave former Prenda counsel Brett Gibbs opportunity to show why he and other members of the Prenda outfit should not be sanctioned for misconduct.

Ken reported a packed courthouse with the press, Electronic Frontier Foundation and former Prenda victims all in attendance. Gibbs turned up too but John Steele, Paul Hansmeier, Paul Duffy and paralegal Angela Van Den Hemel of Prenda did not, despite being ordered to do so by the judge.

Proceedings were started by Judge Wright who turned to a deposition submitted by Prenda’s Paul Hansmeier. “There was so much obstruction in this deposition that it’s obvious that someone has an awful lot to hide,” he said.

Prenda did have an attorney present but she didn’t have much to do. Heather Rosing offered to get the Prenda guys to participate via the phone, but the Judge didn’t take up the opportunity.

Someone else physically in the court room was Alan Cooper, a former employee of John Steele who accuses Steele of stealing his identity for use in Prenda cases. Cooper said that Steele had told him he wanted to make $10,000 a day from alleged downloaders but he didn’t know much more about the plan. Cooper noted that he’d never been involved in the scheme and that signatures purporting to be his were faked.

Cooper also told the court what happened when his lawyer Paul Godfread informed Prenda that he would sue over the theft of his identity. Quickly John Steel was on the telephone time and again, texting and leaving messages. Some of those messages were played for the court.

“On hearing the voice messages, I thought there was only one reasonable interpretation,” says Ken at Popehat.

“John Steele was trying to menace and intimidate Alan Cooper to get him to back off from talking about John Steele’s use of his name. By the end of the calls, there was a stunned silence in the courtroom, and I suspected that many spectators were sharing with me a deep sympathy for Mr. Cooper and an abiding sense of revulsion for John Steele.”

And then Prenda’s position got even worse.

Judge Wright had earlier put a stop on Prenda obtaining the personal details of alleged file-sharers from AT&T and Verizon and had ordered Prenda to inform the ISPs of his order. Prenda insisted that they had done so but that was contested. Lawyers for the ISPs took the stand and said that Prenda had never given them Judge Wright’s order and had continued to press for customer identities instead. Verizon actually handed them over.

“Judge Wright made Gibbs admit that Gibbs found out that the ISPs had produced documents to Prenda Law after Judge Wright’s order, and never updated the court about that or amended his prior status report to the court,” explains Popehat. “To put it mildly, Judge Wright was not happy about that.”

In a further deterioration, Judge Wright addressed the maze of Prenda “clients” and noted that none of them made any money.

“The only entities getting funds are law firms,” he said, suggesting that by hiding their true interests in these cases Prenda were violating federal rules. Judge Wright later quipped that the seven hour-long deposition of Prenda’s Paul Hansmeier revealed nothing of any use. “Mr. Hansmeier has no knowledge of anything,” he said.

Attention then turned to Paul Gibbs who described himself as a legal contractor to Prenda Law. Unsurprisingly his relationship with the company was also less than straightforward, with Prenda also using Gibbs’ name without permission on settlement claims sent to alleged file-sharers.

After getting no joy from his request for the activity to stop Gibbs said he quit and handed over the cases to Prenda’s Paul Duffy, but Gibbs knowingly allowed Prenda to use his phone number and email address in other cases and offered help to other lawyers. “That doesn’t sound sensible to me,” said the Judge.

IP address evidence was also touched on. Judge Wright questioned Gibbs on how alleged downloaders were identified and concluded that his methodology was entirely insufficient.

And thanks again to Ken at Popehat for relaying this next gem. During the hearing a member of the audience asked to be heard, an apparently unusual event. Rather than being admonished by the Judge he was allowed to speak. He explained he was an attorney for Paul Godfread, Alan Cooper’s attorney, and gave some information on Paul Gibbs which appeared to contradict Gibbs’ earlier testimony.

“Have you noticed that every representation made by a lawyer with Prenda Law is not true?” responded Judge Wright. Ouch.

So what does all this mean? The general consensus is that Prenda are in big trouble, but we’ll have to wait to find out exactly how much when Judge Wright files his response in due course.

“[Judge Wright] could probably sanction the Prenda Law parties under his inherent authority based on their supervision of Gibbs. But I suspect Judge Wright will go further than that, with criminal referrals and messages to various state bars,” Popehat notes.

“There could also be further orders to show cause, or even bench warrants. Judge Wright didn’t seem inclined to give them warning. But every indication is that they are in real legal peril.”

If the remarks on Twitter last evening were anything to go by, no one outside Prenda themselves will be disappointed if the punishments are as harsh as possible. To be disliked is not uncommon, but Prenda appear to have not a single supporter, an indication of how reviled they have become.

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  • Bricwaztu

    Pay me 30K. i will take the people behind prenda out ;) Ice bullets! no traces

    • Andrew Lee

      You don’t have to do that because in the near future they’ll all be taking everything from flesh bullets all the way to flesh MOADS to their backside.

      • ITakeAPotatoChipAndEatIt

        Hahaha.

    • JamesTagusLan

      ice bullets ! that’s nice

    • Ardvaark

      Didn’t Mythbusters already bust that one out? The ice can’t kill you or would shatter before any damage was done. Something like that.

      • teenygozer

        The TV show Bones got around the problem by having someone use blood-ice bullets. Blood-ice is heavier than regular water-ice and doesn’t shatter when used as a bullet, and it disappears in the wound (assuming the shooter uses the victim’s blood.)

        • Ardvaark

          That’s brilliant but so far that’s just fiction until tested in a real situation :(

  • Voice of the people

    What goes around comes around. I hope they are hit hard by the law.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15509436 Stefan Haynes

    I think Prenda will actually decrease global piracy after all! Who needs the latest pre-digested Hollywood schlock when you have potboilers like this!!

    Keep ‘em coming, John Steel & co. I have my fingers crossed for a sequel ;).

    • YOUMANCHEW

      Hell ya this is better then any blockbuster out right now. :)

    • MadAsASnake

      Well, they’ll stop seeding their porn crap, so that might reduce piracy a little.

  • markh

    File Arrest Warrents, and sentence them to the hardest possible sentence. I believe a 1st degree is 5 to 99 years . 90 years in prison will do to teach these maggots a lesson. and then we go to the next copyright lawyer

    • http://twitter.com/RyanThompsonA RyanThompson

      what Mike responded I am blown away that some one able to get paid $5835 in 1 month on the network.

      • Philipp

        People like you are almost as bad as the patent trolls.

        • millions

          but theres millions of us…

        • Who

          that’s just it……if ANY ONE can make that much from home then Y are we even in this mess in the 1st place?

    • http://twitter.com/RyanThompsonA RyanThompson

      ….—-goo.gl/WrdNj (Home more information)

      • Philipp

        Go to hell!

    • http://twitter.com/EdmondHaskell Edmond Haskell

      before I looked at the draft of $9055, I be certain that my brother was actualy bringing home money in there spare time at their computer.. there best friend had bean doing this for less than twelve months and at present repaid the loans on there home and bought Lotus Elise. go to,……… BIT40. ℂOℳ

  • Anonymous

    And that was still disproved sadly, Bricwaztu. But I’m all for any other method. :D

  • olol

    typical prenda crooks

  • John Space

    Eat your heart out, Dredd.

  • One-Eyed Willie

    “Although there was no immediate execution”

    Well when is the execution then? LOL

  • Steve Smith

    Yea disrespecting a judge in his court’s ruling never goes well.

  • DenkRenk

    Man you jsut gotta love those angry kangaroo court judges lol.

    PrivacyAnon.tk

  • Guest

    So crumbles the great heroes of bobmail, Anon, Pelouzey and Nej. The righteous and shining defenders and enforcers of copyright. Those who have to break the law just to sue some dead grandmothers for a cool $150,000.

    Weasel and squirm your way out of this one, boys. Whine about how if we want things changed, we should do it democratically. What a glorious legacy for copyright!

    • djnforce9

      Knowing them, they will purposely choose not to respond to this article or its comments. They only pipe up when things go their way by spouting the same pro-MAFIAA rubbish we’ve already heard numerous times out of them.

      • BuddhaFacePalmed

        Or for that matter, claims that the judge was acting out of order and blablabla then resume their ad hominem attacks

    • PreTENnda

      lol… interesting… where IS bobmail? He seems to leave a comment on every single article… I’m waiting to hear his take on this one ;)

      In the meantime… *grabs bag of popcorn*

      • IDIOCRACY

        exactly my thought, can’t wait to have a good laugh about his reply again, hehe

      • Guest

        His take on this?

        “Judge Wright is a crazy activist judge who needs to be kicked off the bench RIGHT NOW! I mean, sure, Prenda are assholes but they shouldn’t be punished! *caugh, caugh* Whoops, just choked on Chris Dodd’s jizz”

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Of course they won’t respond. The only item more ironclad in a copyright cultists arsenal than his ability to delude himself at will is the acceleration he can present while absenting him from a brother-in-faith who got caught with his hands in the cookie jar.

      But let’s be frank, Prenda Law, ACS:Law, Aiplex are just amoral opportunists acting on behalf of the big fish. Let’s recall, it’s the people from Warner, Universal and Sony who are willing to employ such.

      The more I see and hear from copyright defenders, the more disgusted I become. It’s not just the likes of Anon, bobmail nonamthanks and prenda law, it’s rot all the way to the top.

      • Liam JH

        Not that I will defend Bobmail, but he has made some steps lately and even recognised the SXSW model for distributing new artists as a good thing. I even stopped using “Fuck off Bob” as a sig, and prefer using “Hello Bob” as a way of recognising that he has made some progress and welcome him to the discussion, rather than my usual off handed disregard.

        • Guest

          Nah, it’s just part of his method. See, bobfail has two tactics.

          One, be aggressive and confrontational.

          Two, try to sound calm and reasonable.

          When he gets stomped particularly hard he switches tactics. He hasn’t really learned anything or made progress, he’s just doing his calm-and-reasonable act at the moment.

          He’ll be back to calling us the devil and saying free distribution is stupid soon enough.

        • ITakeAPotatoChipAndEatIt

          It could hardly be called a “tactic”, it’s merely trollery.

        • http://twitter.com/VernonDavis10 VernonDavis

          what Joyce explained I’m taken by surprise that a stay at home mom can profit $5736 in a few weeks on the cnetwork.

        • http://twitter.com/VernonDavis10 VernonDavis

          ….—-goo.gl/SflgE (Home more information)

        • bobmail

          I think it’s funny as fuck that you guys spend more time worrying about what I am going to say than bothering to read what I actually say.

          Says a lot about your goal to troll anyone who doesn’t agree with you. You guys are down to preemptive trolling, what a laugh!

        • Guest

          No one needs to worry. What you say usually never deviates from the usual talking points of “RIAA good, everyone else bad”.

          Being consistent isn’t a good thing when you’re such a failure and screwup like you, bobmail.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “…you guys spend more time worrying about what I am going to say than bothering to read what I actually say.”

          Oh, because it’s such a suspense wondering how you’re going to trump your latest blunder, dear Baghdad Bob.

          We already know you’ll be around with a whopper of a lie or some willfully ignorant misconception about how technology works, alternatively you’ll be tossing in a heartfelt wish for the abolition of civil rights since they interfere with your holy Copyright scripture.

          We just don’t know how you’ll set up your next act.

          “Says a lot about your goal to troll anyone who doesn’t agree with you history or empirical fact.”

          Fixed that for you. I had a quick little look in my “bobmail” folder and what do you know, even a holocaust denier doesn’t have as tough a time reconciliating with history or readily demonstrable fact as you do.

          Remind us, who was trying to convinve us Dotcom would never gain backing after venture capitalists had, in fact, stood in line and thrown money at him for months?

          Who was happily announcing that soon “all filesharing protocols” would be blocked, ignorant of the fact that he’d just advocated dismantling the internet?

          Just who is it who’s been caught lying not only about what was written in TF’s preceding articles, but also about what he himself said in earlier posts?

          “…You guys are down to preemptive trolling bashing…”

          Fixed that little syntactic error for you. And as your comment clearly demonstrates, there was a well predicted need for “preemptively” bashing trolls from our side.

          “…what a laugh!”

          Since the joke’s on you – again – I guess it’s a good thing you can laugh at your own act.

          Or are you once again just pulling that act where everyone points at you and laugh while you don’t seem to get who they’re laughing at?

        • MarysPetDuck

          QUACK QUACK QUACK

        • robertmail

          We aim to please. Happy to be of service. That’ll be 50 bucks please. What, you didn’t think it was a free service did you? People like you are the reason the entertainment industry is in such a dire mess, you’re just not willing to pay for anything. You’re nothing but a dirty thief stealing the entertainment that we create.

          Sound familiar? Yep, that’s how stupid you sound on here when you’re in full trolling mode.

      • dondilly

        One on the biggest favours these companies do is force courts to acknowledge the unreliability of IP evidence. With increasing numbers of stateside judges acknowledging this, it makes the inevitable class action against 6 strikes more likely to succeed and anytypical p2p case doomed to fail.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Agreed. I keep on harping on people that with today’s wireless networks, which nearly EVERY family home has? It’s impossible to keep tabs on who is using your network because ALL the encryption standards have been busted, including WPA2 w/ TKIP.

          Yes, it takes about a week to bust the above mentioned, but since most people only change their wireless password once a year, if that…….

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          A week? That would depend entirely on whether WPS has a random pin or not.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “One on the biggest favours these companies do is force courts to acknowledge the unreliability of IP evidence.”

          Why do you think bobmail is so furious? Prenda got caught and now that sweet, sweet mass extortion scam may no longer be a viable business model.

          Which is why he and assorted other copyright cultists are hoping for a miracle of law to reverse that situation, so the bad, bad judges can no longer use “proportionality and reason” when making verdicts.

      • Adam

        I dont think they were acting on belhalf of the big fish. I think they are just scumbag opportunists breaking the law for cash.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          The difference being on of size and nothing else, I should think.

    • bobmail

      “So crumbles the great heroes of bobmail, Anon, Pelouzey and Nej. ”

      What a jackass. Put down your broadbrush, these idiots are not my heros, far from it. They do way more damage than anything, by showing up with poorly constructed cases, they make it harder for people with real beefs to get anything done.

      Their actions make me think they are strawmen that you guys created, because these clowns couldn’t be any more harmful if they tried.

      @scry devil: I always reply, even when you post as Mary. You just don’t tend to listen because you don’t like the answers.

      • Guest

        oh shit

        Bob thinks we’re all Typhoid Mary. Tell me bob, are you on drugs, or paranoid, or on drugs that make you paranoid?

        Anyway, three days ago you only sort of disapproved of Prenda Law and argued that Judge Wright was the real badguy.

        http://torrentfreak.com/copyright-trolls-to-judge-nope-were-not-coming-to-scary-hearing-130309/

        But now you’re saying Prenda are a bunch of evil bastards?

        L-E-L

        You’ve cheered these extortion schemes on in the past. If I recall correctly you’ve even cheered Prenda on. You’re only trying to distance yourself from them now because they’ve fallen in to some really deep shit and you’re afraid it’ll shatter your credibility to continue defending them.

        Which is really pretty funny. You think you have credibility left!? Holy fuck.

        • Who

          he is just like all the over trolls, when they are shown up they turn the other cheek or the drop off and leave.
          hell in fact I have even show bob were in the law it says what and Im sure he didn’t like it one bit. all bob is, is a sniveling little Wiesel.

        • Kuntandthegang

          Is a Wiesel some sort of stoat-like boiled-sausage animal? Haha, funny typo :)

        • ITakeAPotatoChipAndEatIt

          “you’re afraid it’ll shatter your credibility to continue defending them.”

          I wasn’t aware he had any to begin with.

        • Whatever

          Well, Bobmail is the hidden “single supporter” whose only concern is ” poorly constructed cases”.

          So that’s “Bobmail the closet supporter”.

          And your right, it keeps getting funnier.

      • Guest

        The broadbrushing began when your heroes at the RIAA decided to spam the US with their settlements and subpoenas. They boasted of their statistics exploits in the papers – then stopped announcing how many letters they were sending out, because it was making them look horrible.

        Hell, the broadbrushing began with your misguided campaigns of “Home Taping is Killing Music” and “the Boston Strangler VCR”.

        If only Prenda was a strawman of my creation – wait, hell no. Only nitwits like you would enjoy the idea of having anyone pay several hundred thousand dollars. Hell, some time ago you whined that a fine of several million dollars was practically nothing.

        If you want to blame someone, blame the people with huge beefs. They paved the way for laws, legal architecture and huge publicity blow that they now have. It was only a matter of time before the abuse of your privileges reached the ears of judges (who, you think, are absolutely unreasonable and abuse power – yet, you think nothing of RIAA power abuses!). You made your bed and crapped in it, and now you’re mad because you have to lie in it.

        • bobmail

          Sadly, none of them are my heros. That’s your take, your broadbrush, and not mine.

          None of them are “my campaigns”, sorry.

          Honestly, if you cannot seperate me and my personal opinions for other groups and individuals, perhaps you need professional help for your anger issues.

          I make my bed every day and sleep it in every night, peaceful and happy. You however appear to be an angry, angry person. That’s your problem, not mine, stop trying to act like it’s mine.

        • Guest

          No one needs to be angry. It’s pretty clear that you and your little friends in Anon, Pelouzey and Nej love to be the cheerleading squad for organisations like these. Here, I’ll give you a linked quote.

          http://torrentfreak.com/scammers-extort-bittorrent-users-posing-as-law-enforcement-130222/#comment-809027430

          If anyone’s angry, it’s your copyright enforcers. Decades of whining and crying for a starving industry that continues to rake in the big bucks and pay Chris Dodd, and it’s all crashing down. And to think, you just managed to get six strikes up at a time when judges are increasingly frowning on IP addresses as identification. “Good luck to you”, to quote Judge Wright.

        • Guest

          Sorry, but you have to sperate yourself and your opinion from MAFIAA groups and individuals before other people will, bob.

          And are seriously saying some one else has anger issues? You get buttmad all the time, including in this thread.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “Sadly, none of them are my heros.”

          We could post a few of your previous comments where you stood up to defend the business model they were using, from ip-based mass extortion letters…

          …But why bother. Everyone around here by now realizes full well the Prenda Law people aren’t your heroes anymore, since they got caught.

          Had they dodged this latest noose you would – as usual – be full of admiration for them.

      • Liam JH

        “Their actions make me think they are strawmen that you guys created, because these clowns couldn’t be any more harmful if they tried” – I take it all back
        /turns head and bangs it against wall repeatedly
        Fuck off Bob

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          there, there…I too spent months trying to give the copyright cultists the benefit of doubt.

          We all learn.

      • MadAsASnake

        How do they make it harder? The fact that IP is total crap as evidence was widely known before Steele came along

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Yes, but this is one mopre judge saying it.

          And that’s why bobmail has his knickers in a twist since he avidly supports ip-based mass extortion/intimidation while skipping the parts where you say “burden of proof”.

      • IDIOCRACY

        Yessss you did “it” * again. hehe

        * it = making an ass out of yourself, having me waste another depend slip cause I wet this one, being a total idiot without any braincell left doing some experiment with a cocktail of pills..

      • icec0ld

        You sound mad bro.

        You’ve applauded the actions of firms just like these and believe me, these guys are not the only ones with operations like these.

        With any luck, this judgement will be a firm slap in the face of any one hoping to make a quick buck throwing out settlement notices.

      • you learnt!

        Wheeee! you tried to use strawmen in a sentance! you learnt something, well done *pats head*

      • Typhoid Mary

        Here I am thinking we had something special Bob and you go accusing a good soul like Scary Devil of being me. You spend so much time here it all just blends together. Sorry bastard.

        • bobmail

          Go ahead, don’t let me stop you in your bid for high end anorexia.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “good soul”?

          Me?

          Now I’m hurt to the core of my BOFH soul.

          That said I’m not alone. Apparently you are “Guest” and “IDIOCRACY” and god alone knows how many others.

          It appears Baghdad Bob’s latest attempt at denying the reality of US troops in Iraq is to claim there are really just one or two marines inside the border, pretending they’re an army.

          Like I keep telling him, he should take that act on the road.

        • Typhoid Mary

          He does seem a little taken with me. He probably has my picture all over his room in his moms house. I don’t even want to think what he does with them.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Well, we did know the sectarians from the first church of copyright tend towards the obsessive-compulsive. I guess it must be because in order to actually believe in copyright you first have to deny so many other parts of reality.

          Creating a breeding ground for stalkers, con men, and religious zealots.

          In your particular case it would seem poor old bobmail has gone over the deep end to the point where he now hears your sweet voice whispering in his ear no matter who he’s actually replying to.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        “They do way more damage than anything, by showing up with poorly constructed cases, they make it harder for people with real beefs to get anything done.”

        In other words you’re really pissed because they mucked up the business model you wanted employed?

        Let’s just all take note that up until this comment, you were defending the Prenda Law business model – ip-based extortion schemes – tooth and claw.

        “Their actions make me think they are strawmen that you guys created, because these clowns couldn’t be any more harmful if they tried.”

        Much like your own actions on these boards, then. You alone have managed to get everyone reading this board – not just the pirates – to look at anything even remotely related with copyright with a great deal of scepticism. So far I have four confirmed new pirates tallied thanks solely to people like you harping on in hostis.

        “@scry devil: I always reply, even when you post as Mary.”

        So far you’ve claimed four or five people are this “Mary”. Is that the name of the voice inside your head perhaps?

        I only ever reply or comment as this particular nickname right here, and have for four years in a row – something which many around here can confirm. That is because unlike you, I never have to dodge having lied.

        You, however, seem to have an identical demeanor to a few other nicknames we’ve seen around these boards. Though that can easily be put down to the fact you copyright cultists all seem to blindly read from the same scripture book Chris dodd employs.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Bobmail, the point where you start lying about your own previously stated opinions is one you shouldn’t cross.

        Please reconcile the two statements below – both curiously made by the poster known as bobmail.

        ” Put down your broadbrush, these idiots are not my heros, far from it. They do way more damage than anything, by showing up with poorly constructed cases, they make it harder for people with real beefs to get anything done.

        “What the fuck does it matter who does the law enforcement? Any money sent to agencies in the name of copyright enforcement is money that people won’t be using for pirating, even though pirating costs nothing.
        You just made the hit list of the RIAA, boys. Stomping on these righteous organisations will get you nowhere.”

        Emphasis mine, just for effect. Would you like to see some more compelling examples of your prior ‘art’?

        Once again caught peddling lies and dishonest arguments. That leaves you with only ad hominem remaining in your toolbox again, doesn’t it?

    • IHaveNoBalls

      Is this torrentfreak or trollfreak

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Depends on whether bobmail, nonamthanks or “Anon” are present or not.

  • PrendaTrolls

    How do you spell “legal rape” formally? LOOOOL. Fuck Prenda. Trolls!

  • nono

    Time to rejoice hasn’t come yet… as much as I hope to see their bodies dangling from the trees at the entrance of the town, it seems much more likely that the justice system will let them go with a slap on the hand rather than tared and feathered on the public place for everyone to see.

    • frozar

      Bingo. They’ll appeal to a judge who is more in their favor.

      • Guest

        Prenda’s fucked up so hard an appeal wouldn’t really help them at this point. Fuck, they didn’t even show up to court when they were ordered to.

        It bet it won’t stop them from trying, though. They’ll probably even try to appeal for things that can’t be appealed for. That’ll be good for a few lulz.

        • bobmail

          An appeal of this might help, because the judge is looking seriously like he is overstepping his authority. It would be a great thing for the entire case (and all judgements that came with it) tossed because the judge appears biased against the plaintiffs.

          There is actually a fair chance of this too, no matter how much the Prenda guys are fucking it up. That is what makes the US justice system so sad to watch at times.

        • Guest

          You wish, bobmail.

          Prenda’s already tried getting rid of the judge on baseless “anti-copyright” grounds; what do you think this is going to make them look like in anyone’s eyes? Sadly you actually think these chaps still hold a strand of legitimacy.

          But don’t worry. I hear Andrew Crossley and Evan Stone still need a few buddies to bunk with them in the Assclown dorm. Maybe you can join daddy Pelouzey and your inbred brother Nej and camp outside their windows; maybe they’ll throw jellybeans at you!

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “…because the judge is looking seriously like he is overstepping his authority.”

          And that’s why we keep telling you not to offer uninformed comments at either law or technology…

          If the judge is overstepping his authority, rest assured, ANY lawyer of Prenda’s could have the case declared a mistrial in a second. You think they’d miss that?

          Oh, wait. you, apparently, missed that. No one else did. At least watch some case law documentary, or something.

        • MadAsASnake

          Given the competence shown by Prenda folks in general, they probably would miss something that obvious.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Not just Prenda.

          ACS:Law, Aiplex, all of CRIA…the list goes on and on.

          As soon as you start digging, copyright advocate incompetence is that particular gift which never stops giving, it looks like.

          It’s like the copyright industry generously provides garbage dumps and job lots where the truly unemployable can still find a way to earn a living.

    • TheyAreCorrupt

      I don’t know about that. This judge seems to be a little tech savvy, he’s even used Google Earth!!

  • blood_fart

    Apple would support Prenda Law.

  • Boring Phil

    Why would they provoke a judge to such an extent? Presuming they’re not stupid and/or mental. (Or is ‘stupid and/or mental’ a valid defence in California?)

    • Who

      O this is in Cal? didn’t know that. doubt any thing will happen to them then as Cal is full of corruption. that explains Y a arrest warrant was never issued.

      • Boring Phil

        The article refers to ‘the Los Angeles courtroom’, but I dunno whether this case is being heard under state law, federal law, MAFIAA law or what.

        • Who

          some times I miss things. /cry

    • dude

      because the judge may have a young son or daughter or… that innocently downloads cartoons… who could be targeted by Prendan

      • Who

        IF this judge knows the law he don’t have a dam thing to worry about.

    • marxmarv

      “When the law is on your side, pound the law. When the facts are on your side, pound the facts. When neither is on your side, pound the table.”

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Why?

      Because like bobmail/Anon/nonamthanks, it appears they’ve read from the holy book of copyright where they should have read from a book of law.

      To be blunt, they tried what is normally called “fraud”. And like any other copyright con man they’re now having a hard time realizing that you can’t lie your way out from everything.

  • Ardvaark

    This is excellent news!
    Worse than following an already flawed law (copyright & DMCA) is to further corrupt it and exploit it beyond its flaws under the guise of justice and artists’ protection when in fact the real intent is to earn money on the fear and inability to fight back from others.

    Despicable human beings finally being punished. Now look at them so ashamed that only one of them dares show up on court.
    Serves them right.
    I’ll ready my stash of fireworks for when the verdict’s out, this’ll teach many trolls a lesson.

  • Some guy

    Tear dat ass up!

  • MURICA!

    I think its worth noting that although most of the time, the US “justice” system makes me ashamed to call myself an American, we still do have some judges who aren’t bought and paid for. We could use more people like Otis Wright in our legal system.

    • Violated0

      His full title is… United States District Court Judge Otis D. Wright II.

  • Whatevers

    Nah just shoot the fuckers!

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  • Traveller

    The end is nigh for Prenda. And a well deserved one.

  • Anonymous Monkey

    “And then Prenda’s position got even worse”
    I love it …

    …and then…. it got worse

  • Violated0

    The one aspect that always brings a copyright troll to their knees would be their own arrogance. Lying to the Court in cases they initiated is extremely arrogant. Then basing all their cases against possible infringers on a fake person using a fake signature is extremely stupid being a fraud against the Court.

    I am very sure that Judge Wright’s due ruling will he harsh. He got involved when fraud started to become clear being a higher level Federal Judge aiming to wrap this up with high authority.

    There can’t be many outside Prenda Law who would be happy to see them fall and to fall hard. This was only a money making scheme to exploit as many home subscribers as possible innocent or not. Attacking the public and in such a self-harmful way can obtain no sympathy.

    Time to dispose of bad rubbish.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      “Lying to the Court in cases they initiated is extremely arrogant.”

      It’s actually called “perjury”. The true stupidity of the Prenda law people is that they, by themselves, have managed to turn what would have been a fraud case into a crime which carries a far far higher penalty.

      This is much like the shoplifter who gets caught nicking a packet of jelly beans and manages to commit aggravated assault and kidnapping while trying to get away.

      Copyright cultists aren’t famed for their brains. If they were they’d have a real job.

  • Clownius

    Has anyone confirmed these guys are not on a jet to a non-extradition country yet?

    • TheyAreCorrupt

      Didn’t realise there were non-extradition countries I thought US law applied everywhere.

      • MadAsASnake

        Maybe they fled to North Korea. Trolling for Internet Porn must be really lucrative there.

      • Clownius

        Nah im sure quite a few countries will gladly help out any Enemy of Uncle Sams these days. Lets start with Russia. Corrupt and fraudulent lawyers do well there too. They could work for the regime. I mean Government.

      • marxmarv

        There really is no crime anymore other than tarnishing the prestige and power of the ruling class. Besides, even if they were in a non-extradition country, they have been known to abduct the objective, take them across the border into a friendly country, and do as they will (hereafter “the Svartholm maneuver”), by which time it’s a done deed with nothing left to undo.

      • Jack Ryan

        Bah…the fecking US DOJ fantasizes thusly.

  • MadAsASnake

    Among all the entertainment watching the wheels falling off Prenda with all the crap, evasions and downright stupid lies, I noticed that the judge said a couple of things about IP evidence (which is relevant in a Show Cause…)… it would be easy not to get to that with all the other crap. According to Judge Wright, an IP address is insufficient to either start a case or ask for disclosure. Why?

    One, as we know, there is no particular reason to suspect the account holder. Two, there is no particular reason to suspect anyone else, Three, there is no particular reason to beleive that knowing the account holders identity will help in obtaining the offenders identity (especially as there may not even be one). Prenda’s “investigation”, it turns out was little more than a wild ass guess.

    And this is the very same evidence that 6 strikes, HADOPI, 3 strikes and so on relies on. Its unlikely to be of any better quality. Get this stuff anywhere near a judge, and as we see, the wheels come adrift. Prenda might have done the US a favour here today in highlight just how crap IP is.

    • UraPhake

      I just wanted to let you know that your characterization of, “the wheels falling off Prenda” made me laugh.

      Why?

      When I read your words my mind pictured a little, tiny car and when the wheels fell off the doors opened and a whole bunch of clowns started streaming out of the little, tiny car.

      Just like at the circus, the Copyright Clowns know how to entertain!

  • UnTroll

    It is funny that Prenda means prank in portuguese and or latin laguages. They have trolling even in their name..

  • RIAAtarded

    how many of these are going to get disbarred before some court puts and end to this speculative invoicing scheme? This is just another potential revenue stream for rights holders plain and simple. You can’t regulate or legislate sharing it is a basic human condition we are taught from a young age and there is nothing wrong with it. A download isn’t a lost sale anymore then a car rental is. I borrowed my buddies truck to move does that mean dodge can sue me or him for a lost sale? Of course not.

  • Whatever

    Maybe they didn’t show up because anything they can think about will make it even worse than not showing up ?

    Hopefully nobody actually hired Prenda in the past to defend them in court because they probably wouldn’t show up and if they did they must have had the worst defense ever.

    • marxmarv

      RTFA… they weren’t actually for hire. They were just privateering.

      • Whatever

        So you are implying that right after (law) school they all started the Prenda firm together and started extorting without any prior history in life, work or law ?

        I’ll make it easier for you: “hired Prenda people”

        • marxmarv

          Whoops, I missed the “people” part of that. Taking my own advice to RTFC, please accept my apologies.

  • Freedom

    The future seems rather bleek for Prenda & co. now that the tables have turned on them. Unfortunately, knowing their imposing nature, they will not go down without fighting.
    May knowledge remain free for now and forever!

    • marxmarv

      Disbarment, or even the threat, tends to focus the mind.

  • joexxx

    I’m glad that the judiciary is finally waking up and is stepping in to bring order to this legal wild west that copyright industry has created.
    I hope ISPs and search engines will do the same at some point

  • Grumpy Gramp

    One word for Prenda that I learned at an early age on the streets of NYC:
    “scumbags”

  • Internet_Zen_Master

    To quote many an Arsian when anything is mentioned about Prenda Law on an Ars Technica:
    “Fucking assclowns.”

    Could someone give Judge Otis Wright a medal for extreme valor in the defense of the Internet? (After he’s thoroughly obliterated the scumbags at Prenda of course.)

  • nya

    “… Prenda had never given them Judge Wright’s order and had continued to
    press for customer identities instead. Verizon actually handed them
    over.”

    Verizon handed over customer information without a court order! It shows how much they value their customers.

    • UraPhake

      “Verizon handed over customer information without a court order! It shows how much they value their customers.”

      That deserves an article all by itself here on TF.

      • MadAsASnake

        There was a could order. The subsequent order halting it was not served on them because rather than do that as ordered, Prenda simply pursued them for the client data. I think Verizon could fight harder but this is straight out contempt of court by Prenda.

    • Jack Ryan

      Verizon should be sued for violating their customer privacy without a valid court order.

  • Emmett

    LOL! the RIAA and the MPAA has to be going NUTS right now

  • Medic

    Come out, John Steele! Nothing will happen to you, I swear! *laughter* I can’t! We’re going to kill you! *laughter*

    • Brett Gibbs

      Damn you, John Steele! You are the worst roommaaaaaaaaaaaate!

  • salvagesalvage

    Ooohh so much schadenfreude, I’m a little stiff here.

  • SCP-682

    The company should have their copyrights revoked and case against those people thrown in the incinerator for refusing to show up in court over this. If they can’t fulfill their legal obligations, then do they really need legal privileges like copyrights?

    • MadAsASnake

      Those assignments probably have no value anyway. Remember, despite the Prenda claims, these are being sold in normal channels, so someone else definitely has distribution rights. That means they are not unique, and there was never any sole standing.

  • Joe

    Make them regret the day they were born Judge Wright!

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  • Utriah

    He’s a judge but low on the totem pole, the REAL decisions will be made by the appeals court who are in the pocket of big money.

    • Charybdisjim

      That is certainly true except with regard to consequences they could face as officers of the court and with regard to possible findings of contempt (criminal and civil). There is of course an ability to contest any rulings or recommendations the judge makes on those matters, but being that they deal with gross disrespect for the court and potentially active interference in its ability to operate soundly in the case – any outlet for such an appeal will be extremely unsympathetic. Judges and boards tend overwhelmingly to defer to the decision of the court whom the attorney – who is reasonably expected to know better and has a duty as an officer of the court – so offended.

  • fortuzero

    Ahahahahahahahahahaha….. dozy cunts!

  • fortuzero

    ahahahahahaha dozy cunts

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