Another EliteTorrents Uploader Facing 10 Years in Prison
Written by enigmax on November 17, 2007The fallout from the FBI raid on EliteTorrents in 2005 continues, with a seventh defendant associated with the uploading of Star Wars Episode III facing the prospect of 10 years in prison coupled with a $500,000 fine.
Every few months it seems the FBI manages to come up with yet more people to charge in connection with Operation D-Elite – the joint ICE and FBI raids against the US-based BitTorrent tracker, EliteTorrents, in 2005.
Everyone charged so far has been accused of being involved in the uploading of Star Wars Episode III which, at the time, was a pre-release movie, carrying criminal implications for the uploaders under the Family Entertainment Copyright Act.
According to an announcement by Assistant Attorney General Alice S. Fisher of the Criminal Division and U.S. Attorney Patrick L. Meehan for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, a seventh defendant has pleaded guilty.
An Duc Do, aged 25, of Orlando, Florida, has pleaded guilty before U.S. District Judge Legrome D. Davis of the Eastern District of Pennsylvania on a two-count felony. He’s charged with conspiracy to commit criminal copyright infringement and criminal copyright infringement.
Do is the latest in a line of people pleading guilty in this operation against EliteTorrents. Previous guilty pleas and convictions include those of Scott McCausland, Grant Stanley, Sam Kuonen and Scott D. Harvanek.
In this copyright case tried in the criminal (rather than civil) legal domain, potential punishments are harsh. Do is facing up to 10 years in prison coupled with a fine of $500,000.
He will be sentenced on February 27th, 2008.
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249 Responses
This sucks =( Poor guy, this guys have no heart
I give a fuck too
10 years! ?
Damn.. if that was me, i’d kill the guys convicting me. Might aswell..
America is one nasty country to live in. Evil… pure evil this is.
Thank god I don’t live in there.
i think that overly harsh, but come to think of it Star Wars who’s heard of that, sure it needs all the money it can take in the cinema !!
They are starting to win in this war…
If there will be more uploaders facing prison, other uploaders might start to fear, and stop uploading warez.. Hope they won’t be able to charge anyone else.. I feel very sorry for this guy… :(
These guys are probably geeks, so what prison would they put them in and keep them safe from the real criminals who will prey on them? My heart goes out to em and their familys.
“What are you in for?”
I raped a teenager.
“You?”
I killed a man.
“And what about you new fish?”
I uploaded Star Wars to the internet.
10 years for sharing (not stealing ffs)? What would that chimp Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Co get then if they were brought to the court for crime against humanity? I just can’t take that scummy American way of whatever you might want to call it anymore.
Stay away from the rest of the world ffs!
If all internet users start doing something about it, like uniting sure there’ll be a solution, a reasonable one
http://www.americanidolpixelmania.com/signup.php
“What are you in for?”
I raped a teenager.
got 5-7 years
“You?”
I killed a man.
7-10 years
“And what about you new fish?”
I uploaded Star Wars to the internet.
10 years and a huge fine , WTF is wrong with the world today? If hollywood would produce a decent movie and not charge us both arms to see it ….maybe , just maybe more of us would go to the theaters
“Star Wars Episode III”? Hm… that’s interesting. I remember downloading that before it was released… And guess what? Then I went to the cinema to see it!
Total loss for the movie industry: 0
What is going on in this world?
and the general public doesn’t give a f*ck…
until the corrupt government http://torrentfreak.com/riaa-and-mpaa-fund-anti-piracy-politicians/) gains some sanity (will they ever?) there’re always ways to hide what you’re doing with tor, proxies, etc.. or better yet, boycott their shitty movies altogether and read a book.
lol @ ‘felony’ …
Shouldn’t they be busy hunting murders and rapers instead of guys uploading StarWarsIII ?
Seriously this gotta be a joke. Wondering how far they need to take it, until we finally fight back. d=/
Oh god. I feel sorry for that guy. All ppl wo downloaded it should give him a dollar.
HE FUCKING DIDN’T HURT ANYONE! All he did was share some data over the internet! This is plain insanity.
America, Inc; a fully owned subsidary of Corporate America, Inc.
Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.
This guy obviously knew what he was doing was illegal. Still, he, like many others of us, decided to go ahead. It’s like smoking, sure it can kill you, but I still do it. It’s a calculated risk.
Stop whining about being caught – surely he knew that by law, what he did could land him in jail.
i can see 10 years for esb, but rots?
Fuck off bittrucker, the fact that uploading carries a larger sentance than rape in that stupid country is ridiculous! If he was getting a few months then it at least would be more proportionate to what he did, whether you agree with it being a crime or not.
[quote] Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.
This guy obviously knew what he was doing was illegal. Still, he, like many others of us, decided to go ahead. It’s like smoking, sure it can kill you, but I still do it. It’s a calculated risk.
Stop whining about being caught – surely he knew that by law, what he did could land him in jail.
[/quote]
Pathetic…
Knowledge that idiots might put you in jail for sharing data over the internet does NOT excuse those idiots, or take away your right to be mad.
Ok … who is in for a trial against BREIN }
Mail @ P2PISHERETOSTAY@LIVE.NL
I’d love to screw up BREIN, but I doubt they’ll like it…
Thank god I don’t live across the pool, those yankees are completely crazy.
~Fransw
America is a fucked up country. That’s for sure. This sort of “crime” should be something like a 1000$ fine at most.
Glad I live in europe, home of the free
[quote comment="215839"]Fuck off bittrucker, the fact that uploading carries a larger sentance than rape in that stupid country is ridiculous! If he was getting a few months then it at least would be more proportionate to what he did, whether you agree with it being a crime or not.[/quote]
Fuck off ‘ey?
Perhaps you should check facts before talking. According to a study the “average sentence for convicted rapists was 11.8 years” in the US.
Also, remember that 10 years is the absolute maximum term An Duc Do faces, which means, he’ll be sentenced to 6 at most, and serve 2.5-3 out of those.
Finally, he is charged with three counts of infringement, for the works of a) Harry Potter Prisoner of Azkahan – b) King Arthur – c) National Treasure. In addition he is charged with “for the purpose of private financial gain, infringed the copyright of ‘Flight of the Phoenix’”.
[quote comment="215825"]HE FUCKING DIDN’T HURT ANYONE! All he did was share some data over the internet! This is plain insanity.
America, Inc; a fully owned subsidary of Corporate America, Inc.[/quote]
He didn’t hurt anyone?
As a software developer, I am personally “hurt” by people pirating my software. Point in fact; 3 months ago I released my last commercial project to the public – retailing at $9.99 per license.
Now, in this piece of software I had included computer-fingerprinting (basically it takes your CPU ID and a few other IDs, mangles them together and sends it back to a central database of mine) specifically for the purpose of seeing what the percentage of fully paid for, legal licenses were in relation to copies. I’ll tell you what it was – 20%. Twenty friggin percent are paid for copies, with the remaining 80% being ‘pirated’ copies. Now, I have a fairly small userbase (just over 700 registered users), but it has still cost me $28491.48 in lost business. Ok, so perhaps not everyone now running a pirated copy would have paid for it, so let’s say a third would have, that’s still a net loss of just below $10000 for me personally – or, spread out over the lifetime of the project, $3165 per month.
Just to be clear, those 80% of unlicensed copies only included people running the software regularly (which in this context means at least once a week since installation). Also, the fact I did collect this information was made perfectly clear in the legalese provided with the product.
Could have raped a woman and got less jailtime.
The only ‘crime’ that was committed was George Lucas releasing that piece of shit movie. Am I right???
How smart. Putting helpless persons behind bars for what ? for downloading songs and other stuff…. while a ton of criminals are still on the loose, + they are the real threat to society, not this poor guy. So this is where this world is heading ? What will be next ?
Bittrucker: atleast check facts before making a fool of your self:
average sentence for convicted rapists in the USA is 1203 days, a little over 3 years.
Best to actually have the basic info correct if your going to correct others.
@ Bittrucker
Here’s another big fuck off that goes straight into your bloody stupid way of thinking. Which laws are you talking about ffs? Are you a politician? A deputy maybe? A lawyer? Pathetic and disgusting ….
another reason why we should nuke usa and no im not a muslim
I’m just curious what application Bittrucker is responsible for so I know to A) Not pay for it and B) Download a pirated copy of it for free if I already haven’t done so.
2-3 years is completely unacceptable and unreasonably harsh. Have you actually considered how long of a time that is, not to mention spending it in prison for the uploading of movies? The idea of it seems insane.
[quote comment="215896"]Bittrucker: atleast check facts before making a fool of your self:
average sentence for convicted rapists in the USA is 1203 days, a little over 3 years.
Best to actually have the basic info correct if your going to correct others.[/quote]
I would completely agree, one should check facts before making a fool of one self. So, where did you get your figures from?
Mine were taken from the Department of Justice website (www.ojp.usdoj.gov).
[quote comment=215908]@ Bittrucker
Here’s another big fuck off that goes straight into your bloody stupid way of thinking. Which laws are you talking about ffs? Are you a politician? A deputy maybe? A lawyer? Pathetic and disgusting ….[/quote]
Jeez, what’s with the Fuck’s around here.
What’s with the laws? Start by checking out these websites;
http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/pl109-9.html
or, if you’re a complete moron and need it in laymans terms;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Entertainment_and_Copyright_Act
This is upsetting. Poor Guy… from my neck of the woods, too.
[quote]He didn’t hurt anyone?
As a software developer, I am personally “hurt” by people pirating my software. Point in fact; 3 months ago I released my last commercial project to the public – retailing at $9.99 per license.
[/quote]
And writing a bad review of your software could have technically “hurt” you. Should people go to jail for that?
Since when is profit more important then freedom? Obviously in capitalism…
[quote]Now, in this piece of software I had included computer-fingerprinting (basically it takes your CPU ID and a few other IDs, mangles them together and sends it back to a central database of mine) specifically for the purpose of seeing what the percentage of fully paid for, legal licenses were in relation to copies. I’ll tell you what it was – 20%. Twenty friggin percent are paid for copies, with the remaining 80% being ‘pirated’ copies. Now, I have a fairly small userbase (just over 700 registered users), but it has still cost me $28491.48 in lost business. Ok, so perhaps not everyone now running a pirated copy would have paid for it, so let’s say a third would have, that’s still a net loss of just below $10000 for me personally – or, spread out over the lifetime of the project, $3165 per month.[/quote]
And how many of those people who bought it only did because they pirated it and liked it and paid the (in my opinion, very fair) price of 10$?
Stats only give you information. It’s up to you to interpret it, and you can do so many different ways.
What has my country come to? I tell ya its greed and power thats all it is. You know there is a problem when someone is sent to jail for uploading a file, a simple collection of electronic signals arranged in a specific pattern called “Star Wars III”.
If 10 years is not enough deterrent, hell, then why not the death penalty? That’ll show those Robin Hoods.
Better yet, have them drawn and quartered, and show the event on national television as many times as they showed that plane hitting WTC. That should be enough to drive the point.
Grillz is right! SW EPIII is a POS movie. Lucas wants to show us the great slaughter of the Jedi by the Sith, and yet wants to make it ‘family fare’ at the same time. So he toned down the blood and violence. So in effect the Sith performed a ‘bloodless coup’ against the Jedi. How lame.
Bittrucker you haven’t replied???
why do you bother spamming this site, it’s clear who you work for, and don’t make up false statistics. I did do my research and I do want you to f*** off.
Agree with #8 ;)
Wow, so many of you are incredibly ignorant.
If you knowingly are provided pirated software to others, and you get busted for it – no, you get absolutely no right to be mad. You know it’s against the law, you are infringing on copy written material that potentially takes money away from the people who sunk their own money in it to make it. Sure, you might have pirated the software and then bought it later, but not everyone does – you are allowing folks to get it for free without ever having to buy it. If you walked into a Best Buy and tried to walk out with a couple DVDs without paying for em and you got caught, you would go to jail for shoplifting. Even if your intentions are to play the DVDs to other people so that they may turn around and go to that same store and purchase them, you still broke the law. You get no right to bitch.
I’m by no means on the anti-piracy side, but I’m rational enough to see things as they are. If I ever got busted for uploading, I wouldn’t bitch. I would know it was wrong, and would take the sentence that was given to me, knowing I put myself in that position.
10 years and a 500k fine is quite a bit much, considering that many murderers, child molesters, and rapists don’t get nearly as hefty of a sentence. But that’s why you should contact your local and state politicians to rationally express your disagreement in such a thing.
Whether the corporate fat cats are greedy, blood sucking, and money grubbing; the laws are what they are, we all know what we’re doing, and we all know the potential consequences. But this is also a case of a movie pre-releasing to the masses, and hindering what promoters, ad companies, and the movie industry put so much money in advertising for. What’s the point if people can just download it and watch it before it’s even available?
[quote comment="215768"]They are starting to win in this war…
If there will be more uploaders facing prison, other uploaders might start to fear, and stop uploading warez.. Hope they won’t be able to charge anyone else.. I feel very sorry for this guy… :([/quote]
thats the idea to scare you , common sense it is illegal to do this especially for a big film like that before it comes out , i paid 4 times to see the film and waited, no heart for that guy.
it is is such a risk why even bother
[quote comment="215957"]Wow, so many of you are incredibly ignorant.
If you knowingly are provided pirated software to others, and you get busted for it – no, you get absolutely no right to be mad. You know it’s against the law, you are infringing on copy written material that potentially takes money away from the people who sunk their own money in it to make it. Sure, you might have pirated the software and then bought it later, but not everyone does – you are allowing folks to get it for free without ever having to buy it. If you walked into a Best Buy and tried to walk out with a couple DVDs without paying for em and you got caught, you would go to jail for shoplifting. Even if your intentions are to play the DVDs to other people so that they may turn around and go to that same store and purchase them, you still broke the law. You get no right to bitch.
I’m by no means on the anti-piracy side, but I’m rational enough to see things as they are. If I ever got busted for uploading, I wouldn’t bitch. I would know it was wrong, and would take the sentence that was given to me, knowing I put myself in that position.
10 years and a 500k fine is quite a bit much, considering that many murderers, child molesters, and rapists don’t get nearly as hefty of a sentence. But that’s why you should contact your local and state politicians to rationally express your disagreement in such a thing.
Whether the corporate fat cats are greedy, blood sucking, and money grubbing; the laws are what they are, we all know what we’re doing, and we all know the potential consequences. But this is also a case of a movie pre-releasing to the masses, and hindering what promoters, ad companies, and the movie industry put so much money in advertising for. What’s the point if people can just download it and watch it before it’s even available?[/quote]
I TOTALLY AGREE
[quote comment="215957"]Wow, so many of you are incredibly ignorant.
If you knowingly are provided pirated software to others, and you get busted for it – no, you get absolutely no right to be mad. You know it’s against the law, you are infringing on copy written material that potentially takes money away from the people who sunk their own money in it to make it. Sure, you might have pirated the software and then bought it later, but not everyone does – you are allowing folks to get it for free without ever having to buy it. If you walked into a Best Buy and tried to walk out with a couple DVDs without paying for em and you got caught, you would go to jail for shoplifting. Even if your intentions are to play the DVDs to other people so that they may turn around and go to that same store and purchase them, you still broke the law. You get no right to bitch.
I’m by no means on the anti-piracy side, but I’m rational enough to see things as they are. If I ever got busted for uploading, I wouldn’t bitch. I would know it was wrong, and would take the sentence that was given to me, knowing I put myself in that position.
10 years and a 500k fine is quite a bit much, considering that many murderers, child molesters, and rapists don’t get nearly as hefty of a sentence. But that’s why you should contact your local and state politicians to rationally express your disagreement in such a thing.
Whether the corporate fat cats are greedy, blood sucking, and money grubbing; the laws are what they are, we all know what we’re doing, and we all know the potential consequences. But this is also a case of a movie pre-releasing to the masses, and hindering what promoters, ad companies, and the movie industry put so much money in advertising for. What’s the point if people can just download it and watch it before it’s even available?[/quote]
Indeed, comparing copying to stealing is incredibly ignorant.
[quote comment="215979"]
Indeed, comparing copying to stealing is incredibly ignorant.[/quote]
agreed, propaganda FTL.. their tactics are working :\
@ colossal
Do you happen to think before jotting down your thoughts? Don’t call people ignorant since you don’t know ‘em in the first place. So you’re advocating the laws eh? Who are those making the laws? What are those laws made for? Do you REALLY think it’s for the common people? What if you stood for the RIGHT to share instead of running and hiding like a rabbit? You’re so vain ‘cos you haven’t been busted yet, big mouth behind anonymity eh? Piss off …..
[quote comment="215874"][quote comment="215825"]HE FUCKING DIDN’T HURT ANYONE! All he did was share some data over the internet! This is plain insanity.
America, Inc; a fully owned subsidary of Corporate America, Inc.[/quote]
He didn’t hurt anyone?
As a software developer, I am personally “hurt” by people pirating my software. Point in fact; 3 months ago I released my last commercial project to the public – retailing at $9.99 per license.
Now, in this piece of software I had included computer-fingerprinting (basically it takes your CPU ID and a few other IDs, mangles them together and sends it back to a central database of mine) specifically for the purpose of seeing what the percentage of fully paid for, legal licenses were in relation to copies. I’ll tell you what it was – 20%. Twenty friggin percent are paid for copies, with the remaining 80% being ‘pirated’ copies. Now, I have a fairly small userbase (just over 700 registered users), but it has still cost me $28491.48 in lost business. Ok, so perhaps not everyone now running a pirated copy would have paid for it, so let’s say a third would have, that’s still a net loss of just below $10000 for me personally – or, spread out over the lifetime of the project, $3165 per month.
Just to be clear, those 80% of unlicensed copies only included people running the software regularly (which in this context means at least once a week since installation). Also, the fact I did collect this information was made perfectly clear in the legalese provided with the product.[/quote]
So you are the proud author of a piece of SPYWARE of which 80% of it’s users think is not even worth $9.99?
Congratulations on a job well done!
Hi,
One of you, bitTrucker at Post 24, said that the average jailtime for a convicted rapist is 11.8 years.
Another of you, Anonymous at Post 29, said that the average jailtime for a convicted rapist is “a little over 3 years”.
Care to cite your sources?
I guess I should start stealing from the stores instead, like theyre saying. less jail-time that way. or maybe I should go out and kill some mpaa scum or something. my guess it’d give me more satisfaction and just about the same jailtime as this poor dude.. damn :\
guy1: “What are you in for?”
I raped a teenager.
guy2: “You?”
I killed a man.
guy3:
“And what about you new fish?”
I uploaded Star Wars to the internet.
guy1: lmao lets beat this nerd up
bittrucker how about i rape ur mom and get less jailtime u get me !?
@colossal
comparing piracy to stealing is VERY ignorant…they may be the same thing but they carry different sentences
Isn’t copyright infrigement is when you steal the movie and you sell it for your own greed? Just wondering.
10 years sounds harsh because if you look at the guys in the previous raids that got atleast a maximum of 5-6 years.
This just shows how dedicated America is to getting money… this is fucking SAD!
[quote comment="216012"]Hi,
One of you, bitTrucker at Post 24, said that the average jailtime for a convicted rapist is 11.8 years.
Another of you, Anonymous at Post 29, said that the average jailtime for a convicted rapist is “a little over 3 years”.
Care to cite your sources?[/quote]
I already did in post 33 – seems like someone here didn’t like what I had to say though, so they decided to moderate (CENSOR) my message.
Anyhow, my source is the US Department of Justice. All available from http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov
I don’t understand what ICE has to do with bit torrents. ICE deals with illegal immigrants.
Also, why bittorrent? In a world where we let child molesting priests play the shell-game in one parish after another, senators solicit prostitutes in bathrooms, Chinese manufacturers put lives at risk by cutting corners with lead and other materials, people cross the border every day illegally and consume resources and we’re supposedly trying to keep ter’ists from bombing everything in our country — and we’re focusing on a bunch of kids sharing a few movies? Seriously?!
Here’s my take. Corporate america enjoys fucking the citizens in the ass by taking away their rights to fair use, sucking up public domain and perverting it and shipping jobs off to cheap overseas professionals. So do I have a problem with filesharing? Fuck no. It’s one of the only small ways citizens and consumers can have even a tiny bit of muscle to say “fuck you” right back.
PS: Lindsey Lohan was charged with drunk driving twice. And a hit and run. And car jacking. And had possession of cocaine. She served just over one hour of jail time. I guess sharing (not stealing) a movie is far worse than all of the above crimes by a factor of about 87600 to 1.
[quote comment="215999"]
So you are the proud author of a piece of SPYWARE of which 80% of it’s users think is not even worth $9.99?
Congratulations on a job well done![/quote]
Perhaps you should re-read my last paragraph. It was stated in the EULA of the software that these sort of statistics were sent back to a central server.
Then perhaps re-read the rest of my post. The statistics I posted was based on users running the software a least once a week during the past three months. Now, if it’s a POS not worth $9.99, why the hell would they run it again and again.
10 years and only half an million fine… How is he supposed to pay off that ammount? When he gets off jail at the age of 35 there prolly isn’t too easy to find decent job.
Poor guy
[quote comment="216062"]10 years and only half an million fine… How is he supposed to pay off that ammount? When he gets off jail at the age of 35 there prolly isn’t too easy to find decent job.
Poor guy[/quote]
hahaha poor guy should have thought about what he was doing hahaha
[quote comment="216059"][quote comment="215999"]
So you are the proud author of a piece of SPYWARE of which 80% of it’s users think is not even worth $9.99?
Congratulations on a job well done![/quote]
Perhaps you should re-read my last paragraph. It was stated in the EULA of the software that these sort of statistics were sent back to a central server.
Then perhaps re-read the rest of my post. The statistics I posted was based on users running the software a least once a week during the past three months. Now, if it’s a POS not worth $9.99, why the hell would they run it again and again.[/quote]
Perhaps I read your post feel that spyware is spyware, whether it comes with an EULA stating so or not. And perhaps it could be because it’s barely worth using but certainly not worth paying $9.99 for?
Now isn’t it funny that there are loads of people (whole companies even) giving their software away for free and still make a pretty decent living off it? But perhaps that’s software people actually value, and not some POS spyware from a cry baby like you.
[quote comment="216092"]Perhaps I read your post feel that spyware is spyware, whether it comes with an EULA stating so or not. And perhaps it could be because it’s barely worth using but certainly not worth paying $9.99 for?
Now isn’t it funny that there are loads of people (whole companies even) giving their software away for free and still make a pretty decent living off it? But perhaps that’s software people actually value, and not some POS spyware from a cry baby like you.[/quote]
Ok, spyware or not – the fact is, it clearly states what it does, and why it does it.
As I said, the code was put in there only to get some sort of statistics on legal vs pirated usage of the software. The database does not store any personal information alongside these stats.
Anyway, please name one such company and I’ll bet you I can find at least one product they are NOT giving away for free. Which is the same with me, I have a range of applications out there. About half are commercial and the other half are free – some of them even open-source.
Cry baby? I was simply pointing out the saying “It hurts no-one” isn’t exactly true. Piracy is eating away at someones profits, no doubt about it.
Who cares? Have a single one of you done anything about this, besides writing about it on some blog? I for one will tell the truth!
None of us give a shit, if it ain’t happening to us, we don’t give a damn. Writing about it on some blog or website is pointless. Instead why don’t you! do something that has meaning such as protesting publicly and writing to your representatives in congress. I for one will do neither, as I really don’t give a damn!
That’s life!!
What I want to know is, how much time would Lindsay Lohan get if she uploaded a movie :)
America, there are a lot of people laughing at you at the moment. Why not try to do one thing to win back some respect?
This will end one day, when the young people of today will be sitting on the chairs of those politicians in Washington that are a farce to the society, creating arguments to make false wars and shutting up their mouths when Pakistani president shuts down democracy on their country because US needs their land in order to continue their agenda in the region.
Do you really think that we want to end the terrorism? No US don’t want any of that because if it ends what excuses are we going to use to invade someone else’s country, kill their people and still their oil?
Copyright was created so people would not claim that this or that piece of work were theirs when in fact were some else’s. It has nothing to do with share. And the lame excuse that it hurts the industry is nonsense, first because artist make little or nothing with CD’s or dvd’s, their money come from shows, tv appearances among other things, the only ones making money are the record industry and it seems that they have realized that their days of making huge money are gone and decided to counter attack with this ridiculous law suits.
I am not advocating piracy, even though I think that piracy contributes to educate a countless number of people around the world that can’t afford to pay the ridiculous amount of money some companies charge for their piece of intellectual work.
We have now a days so many more problems to worry about than this ridiculous law suits.
To those who certainly will reply with many arguments and flames, please before you do try to read the news and see what is going on around the globe and then think if your comment will be worth it the time or if you can spend it trying to make something positive for the generations to come.
Fucking America and it’s bullshit. Sick of them.
Talk about crimes against humanity, this is way out of line.
Destroying some guys life to try to set an example is totally unacceptable.
U.S.A is the axis if evil now days
So stupid, people shouldn’t be imprisoned with rapists and murderers for simply uploading a movie.
[quote comment="216114"]This will end one day, when the young people of today will be sitting on the chairs of those politicians in Washington that are a farce to the society, creating arguments to make false wars and shutting up their mouths when Pakistani president shuts down democracy on their country because US needs their land in order to continue their agenda in the region.
Do you really think that we want to end the terrorism? No US don’t want any of that because if it ends what excuses are we going to use to invade someone else’s country, kill their people and still their oil?
Copyright was created so people would not claim that this or that piece of work were theirs when in fact were some else’s. It has nothing to do with share. And the lame excuse that it hurts the industry is nonsense, first because artist make little or nothing with CD’s or dvd’s, their money come from shows, tv appearances among other things, the only ones making money are the record industry and it seems that they have realized that their days of making huge money are gone and decided to counter attack with this ridiculous law suits.
I am not advocating piracy, even though I think that piracy contributes to educate a countless number of people around the world that can’t afford to pay the ridiculous amount of money some companies charge for their piece of intellectual work.
We have now a days so many more problems to worry about than this ridiculous law suits.
To those who certainly will reply with many arguments and flames, please before you do try to read the news and see what is going on around the globe and then think if your comment will be worth it the time or if you can spend it trying to make something positive for the generations to come.[/quote]
Finally, someone that knows what the hell they’re talking about. I fully agree with you.
[quote comment="215874"][quote comment="215825"]HE FUCKING DIDN’T HURT ANYONE! All he did was share some data over the internet! This is plain insanity.
America, Inc; a fully owned subsidary of Corporate America, Inc.[/quote]
He didn’t hurt anyone?
As a software developer, I am personally “hurt” by people pirating my software. Point in fact; 3 months ago I released my last commercial project to the public – retailing at $9.99 per license.
Now, in this piece of software I had included computer-fingerprinting (basically it takes your CPU ID and a few other IDs, mangles them together and sends it back to a central database of mine) specifically for the purpose of seeing what the percentage of fully paid for, legal licenses were in relation to copies. I’ll tell you what it was – 20%. Twenty friggin percent are paid for copies, with the remaining 80% being ‘pirated’ copies. Now, I have a fairly small userbase (just over 700 registered users), but it has still cost me $28491.48 in lost business. Ok, so perhaps not everyone now running a pirated copy would have paid for it, so let’s say a third would have, that’s still a net loss of just below $10000 for me personally – or, spread out over the lifetime of the project, $3165 per month.
Just to be clear, those 80% of unlicensed copies only included people running the software regularly (which in this context means at least once a week since installation). Also, the fact I did collect this information was made perfectly clear in the legalese provided with the product.[/quote]
You need a new business model. Plenty of people develop open source software and don’t expect any money in return – unless they get paid as consultants. Music continues to decrease in price because of the fact that it is available, free. Should people go to jail for that? I think with millions of people downloading music via P2P, the music industry needs a new business model. That business model is one of innovation, licensing of goods associated with artists, live performance, etc. The software industry is not so stupid – software for consumers is moving towards the software as a service model. There are plenty of ways you can profit from software. You can’t tell people what they can do with their data once you sell it to them. Besides the fact that it is not feasible, prosecuting people for doing what they want with their data is ridiculous. Come back to planet freedom.
Good they should lock his ass up. He knew what he was doing was wrong. I take it by these responses that there
are not many business folks posting these comments. Let you spend millions
on a movie production and some idiot comes in and shares it with the world.
[quote comment="216029"]@colossal
comparing piracy to stealing is VERY ignorant…they may be the same thing but they carry different sentences[/quote]
His mother is cheaper than 500k so..
If anyone should go to jail for 10 years is George Lucas, for making that piece of shit movie.
I feel sorry for the kid. That is the price of American fascism.
How many of you people would go to work and not want to be paid for working? Not many at all I would think.
So why do you expect other people to go to work and make movies/music or software and not expect to be paid for there work? Fucking bunch of hypocrite’s
Because they’re overpaid, you moron.
[quote comment="216100"][quote comment="216092"]Perhaps I read your post feel that spyware is spyware, whether it comes with an EULA stating so or not. And perhaps it could be because it’s barely worth using but certainly not worth paying $9.99 for?
Now isn’t it funny that there are loads of people (whole companies even) giving their software away for free and still make a pretty decent living off it? But perhaps that’s software people actually value, and not some POS spyware from a cry baby like you.[/quote]
Ok, spyware or not – the fact is, it clearly states what it does, and why it does it.
As I said, the code was put in there only to get some sort of statistics on legal vs pirated usage of the software. The database does not store any personal information alongside these stats.
Anyway, please name one such company and I’ll bet you I can find at least one product they are NOT giving away for free. Which is the same with me, I have a range of applications out there. About half are commercial and the other half are free – some of them even open-source.
Cry baby? I was simply pointing out the saying “It hurts no-one” isn’t exactly true. Piracy is eating away at someones profits, no doubt about it.[/quote]
Spyware is spyware whether it states it does so and why or not. This is exactly the attitude that is wrong with closed software.
Perhaps you need to read my post again. What exactly has giving software away for free has to do with giving ALL your *products* away for free? That’s not what I claimed, go twist someone else’s words.
In most cases piracy isn’t eating away at anything, a downloaded copy does NOT equal a lost sale. You’re just being an ignorant cry baby.
Bunch of F****** morons! WTF are they thinking. sue him and that will make us all stop uploading? They are just turning him into a martyr! well F*CK the FBI, RIAA and all the rest!
With all the atrocities of the US government being pulled off without anyone taking responsibility for anything, condemning people in this matter is the last proof that clearly indicates: The US of A have truly gone mad.
antother torent site owned hah
I weep in the dark for the poor people facing , losing 10 years of their life in Jail for a NON agressive, NON criminal offence. Truly the United States is Evil and corrupt beyond all reckoning. Hollywood and the bought off, Spineless US senate has criminalized
a harmless white collar crime to protect and serve corporate America’s cash flow. If their were a revolution I would give my all to end their hypocrisy and evil. The BOGUS US Senators who wear halloween masks pretending to serve the american people. They prey on our flesh, kill and rape us, falsely imprison us. I need a drink……
Very, very overpaid. My great uncle told me of a time that artists (music and the like) rarely made much more than your average person and those that did, did so because of how amazing their work was.
This string of comments has somehow become very off topic but I’ll continue with that anyway ;)
Since p2p has become so popular, my cinema visits have at least doubled in percentage. For many years it’s been the way that cam or ts versions were a very low quality against the full cinema experience I have always loved. Of course one can say that the number of downloads exceeds the number of my cinema visits but that’s only the producers’ fault for creating a crap movie. I’m regularly shoving money down their collective throats for stuff that I actually enjoy while other things get deleted before I even finished them ;)
Considering that the Star Wars Episode III movie was budgeted to 113 mio $ and has earned 850 mio $ so far this whole issue seems beyond ridiculous to me. Aside from that, the use of criminal copyright infringement in this case because of a bittorrent up/download is even more ludicrous because – to my knowledge at least – there hasn’t been any profit or financial gain for the accused. Then again, I haven’t followed the aftermath of this raid all that much.
I’m not saying that the law is bad thing and some of those cases may be just in their accusation and maybe even penalization. What galls me is how easy it is in the USA to influence political issues if you’ve only got enough money to buy … sorry of cource I meant “contribute” some politicians and their campaigns. That unfortunately goes as far as altering and making laws and starting wars, if you only think about all the oil issues.
On another, and final, note: it’s rather funny that one of the persons supporting copyright laws brought this topic up. I’m talking about bittrucker and his question of how many people would’ve actually bought his software if the pirated version wasn’t available. That’s an interesting topic for more reasons than one. Not only will very many users of pirated content never be able to really buy it because of a lack of funding but they are also some kind of quality control. Take computer games with an online multiplayer modus for example: if you don’t like the game then downloading the full game is like downloading the demo, you’ll play it and hate it and forget about it – but if you like it, you sometimes buy the game and keep playing it for weeks, months or even years. Furthermore, there is very much stuff reaching a larger population because of piracy – if you will call it free advertising. The product only has do be good enough to lure people to buy it and it may just surprise you how large that effect can be. A tiny example from a friend of mine who is developing software as well: the three months following the initial release of a cracked full version of one application showed about 15-25% higher sales than before and it wasn’t even after a recently released new version or an update.
[quote comment="216162"]Good they should lock his ass up. He knew what he was doing was wrong. I take it by these responses that there
are not many business folks posting these comments. Let you spend millions
on a movie production and some idiot comes in and shares it with the world.[/quote]
10 years in Jail and a HUGE unreasonable fine does not fit the crime. His act was not criminal. Its a white collar crime. I am sure the American people do not want to pay millions of dollars to imprison file sharers. They neither killed, raped, or really hurt anyone to warrant 10 years behind bars. I can see someone doing excessive time for aforementioned atrocities.
[quote]He knew what he was doing was wrong.[/quote]
Well, I know it’s NOT wrong, so…
[quote comment="215920"]another reason why we should nuke usa and no im not a muslim[/quote]
it’s not whole america that sux, it’s just their government and torror institutions like the RIAA :f
edit:
-america +usa
common mistake :F
[quote comment="216233"][quote]He knew what he was doing was wrong.[/quote]
Well, I know it’s NOT wrong, so…[/quote]
Charging as much as they do simply because a few will pay for it is what is really wrong.
I know that 3 other people got 5 months for their involvement in elite torrents, but for everyone after that it is stated what they could face and when they will be sentenced, but even though some have been sentenced already you never hear what it is. There was a couple of them sentenced this year I think but what they got has never been announced, any idea what happened to them, Note that he faces( not gets) 10 years, the admins faced 5 years and only got 5 months. And how many people are they going after that used the site, there was 10 search warrents executed so are there only 10 people total, or do they plan to keep prosecuting members of a dead site till the end of time.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22An+Duc+Do%22&btnG=Search
If you bother to search a little bit online, 10 years & $500,000 USD is the maximum possible sentence. Most likely, his sentence will be 3 years probation with a $200 USD fine. He also forfeits computer & electronics during the seizure:
1) entire 500+ CD/DVD collection,
2) XBOX,
3) computer, and
4) bunch of hard drives.
Is it possible that he’ll get 10 years in jail for this? Yes, but highly unlikely.
Is it possible that he’ll be fined $500,000 for this? Yes, but highly unlikely.
Is it possible that that I’ll be hit by lightning when I go outside tomorrow morning after a long night of doing lines of blow off of Angelina Jolie’s ass? Yes, but also highly unlikely.
[quote comment="216209"]
Spyware is spyware whether it states it does so and why or not. This is exactly the attitude that is wrong with closed software.
Perhaps you need to read my post again. What exactly has giving software away for free has to do with giving ALL your *products* away for free? That’s not what I claimed, go twist someone else’s words.
In most cases piracy isn’t eating away at anything, a downloaded copy does NOT equal a lost sale. You’re just being an ignorant cry baby.[/quote]
S: (n) spyware (computer software that obtains information from a user’s computer without the user’s knowledge or consent)
You’re continuing to completely miss the point here. I put the code in for one reason and one reason only, to get statistics on legal vs non-legal copies. Had I done this without full disclosure, yes it would have been ’spyware’.
Ok, so I read your post again. You write “Now isn’t it funny that there are loads of people (whole companies even) giving their software away for free and still make a pretty decent living off it?” – I’ll let people decide for themselves who’s the bigger idiot here. But you do come off sounding like some ignorant open-source everything hypocrite. And you definitely suggested that there are companies out there that gives away [all of their] software for free and still makes a pretty penny.
I do give away some applications for free, I charge for others. I open source some and I keep the source very secure in others. These are all conscious decicions with a lot of thought and method behind them.
At the end of the day I have to put petrol in my cars, put food on the table, pay bills and whatnot – these things are not free you know (or perhaps you don’t because your parents are still paying your way?).
If I make my money by selling MY intellectual property, either by way of a closed source secure application, open source community driven application or by me providing hourly consultations does not really make a difference here – we’re still trading in IP and the same goes for those knight-on-a-white-horse companies you mentioned above.
I’ll agree that in SOME cases piracy has no detrimental effect, but to say that in MOST cases it does not is just plain ignorant. In this case I have a DB full of proof that it obviously has had a negative impact on my earnings – with some 2852 users continually using my product without actually purchasing a (very affordable) license. Like I stated already (in my original post) though, all of those does not equal a lost sale, but some most certainly do (and yes, some have started out using the pirated version and later purchased a license – even though there are no-limit trial versions available for download).
As for being a cry baby, you think what you want, but calling me that after reading my posts clearly shows your lack of comprehension of the english language. I have in no sense of the word ‘cried’ about my lost revenue, I was simply pointing out that the good old defence “It’s a victimless crime” does not really apply.
Now, getting back to the issue at hand; I find it interesting how no-one has picked up on the fact that one of the charges against An Duc Do were “for the purpose of private financial gain, infringed the copyright of of a copyrighted work by distributing” – are you all OK with something like this? It’s one thing to share files, it’s a completely other to actively try to better your financial status by means of copyright infringement.
[quote comment="216198"]Because they’re overpaid, you moron.[/quote]
So if I thought that you were being overpaid that gives me the right to come and take away stuff you own for free?
Sure, if you’re certain the guy’s a multi millionaire film maker, you can go ahead and rip him off. But the means has to involve the internet and file sharing.
So if I thought that you were being overpaid that gives me the right to come and take away stuff you own for free?[/quote]
No. When entertainmant material is put into public distribution it was originally intended under the constitution to eventually join the public domain. This body of information and creativity is considered to be part of a common cultural and intellectual heritage, which, in general, anyone may use or exploit, whether for commercial or non-commercial purposes. Becuase of the revolution of the digital age people choose to share movies, music, and books…etc…however, imposing unrealistic, harsh punishment, mind boggling, silly fines is neither fair nor just and clearly violates a person’s human rights under the said constitution of the United states…it could be argued The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyright protected work as a whole. So, the amount that a movie, music sale should be capped, and people should be allowed to exchange it as they wish. To impose draconian punishment invites a violation in the extreme and becomes a human rights issue. Eventually I believe fair use will see the light of day.
[quote] Like I stated already (in my original post) though, all of those does not equal a lost sale, but some most certainly do (and yes, some have started out using the pirated version and later purchased a license – even though there are no-limit trial versions available for download).[/quote]
And as I have stated, you can come to any conclusion with your statistics. How many people bought it only because they pirated it first? But you don’t see that, you see “hey, people sharing, that must be bad”.
[quote]So if I thought that you were being overpaid that gives me the right to come and take away stuff you own for free?[/quote]
We’re not taking away anything. Were copying and sharing.
What is the one thing that’s always drummed into us when we’re young kids? Sharing. I remember being told endlessly to share when I was a kid… Then we get to be adults and go to jail for it.
It’s absolutely fucked when I can go out and find some teenage girl and rape her, psychologically scarring her and causing untold trauma, and yet get a LESSER punishment than uploading fucking Revenge of the Sith.
All American’s should be ashamed as they sit back and let their utterly corrupt authorities get away with this shit.
[quote comment="215874"]
He didn’t hurt anyone?
As a software developer, I am personally “hurt” by people pirating my software.[/quote]I sure hope they will continue to do so. Your crappy software is not even worth the money you already earned.
The fact alone that money is your sole incentive for creating (or distributing) your software ensures me it will be bad coded crap, and I will not even be using it. GNU, FSF and Open Source wlll outsmart your shitty adware any day.
Basically, yes. And I can hardly wait until all them starving africans swim over and demand our donuts. Hell, with them outnumbering us 3:1, it will be a shining example for the future and a good day for global democracy.
But while it’s still a little difficult with food, most people on the Net have already realized that the paradigm shift of the information age renders payment, money and economics pretty much obsolete when it comes to binary data, simply because it multiplies so easily. It’s the rise of the NeoComms, the exact opposite of the NeoCons, who can’t be arsed to give away shit for free.
Yeah, long live NeoCommun(ity)ism!
It’s a revolution, no less, and some will dance to the beat of the drums whike others die or go to jail in the progress. The Peoples Parties of RIAA and MPAA have alreadyx lined up their lawyer-ridden tanks on our virtual Tiananmen square. Now its our choice to jump out of the way, block their progress with our own bodies or even let them squash us into immortality, like some hopeless german resistance movement, for the greater good of society.
The Battle is already raging. Now pick your side.
;-P
Get a homeless person to upload the file.
Make sure you get it on video though.
Do something nice for the homeless person.
[quote comment="216279"][quote comment="216198"]Because they’re overpaid, you moron.[/quote]
So if I thought that you were being overpaid that gives me the right to come and take away stuff you own for free?[/quote]
Actually yes. That is exactly why those writers in the US are on strike. They barely get paid for it, compared to those big fat asshole managers and CEOs and all those suits.
These are maximum sentences…. He definetly won’t get 10 years & 500k. There’s no way this will happen — he’ll probably serve 1/3rd of it and get parole.
[quote comment="215874"]
As a software developer, I am personally “hurt” by people pirating my software. Point in fact; 3 months ago I released my last commercial project to the public – retailing at $9.99 per license.
Now, in this piece of software I had included computer-fingerprinting (basically it takes your CPU ID and a few other IDs, mangles them together and sends it back to a central database of mine) specifically for the purpose of seeing what the percentage of fully paid for, legal licenses were in relation to copies. I’ll tell you what it was – 20%. Twenty friggin percent are paid for copies, with the remaining 80% being ‘pirated’ copies. Now, I have a fairly small userbase (just over 700 registered users), but it has still cost me $28491.48 in lost business. Ok, so perhaps not everyone now running a pirated copy would have paid for it, so let’s say a third would have, that’s still a net loss of just below $10000 for me personally – or, spread out over the lifetime of the project, $3165 per month.
Just to be clear, those 80% of unlicensed copies only included people running the software regularly (which in this context means at least once a week since installation). Also, the fact I did collect this information was made perfectly clear in the legalese provided with the product.[/quote]
Let’s get something clear cause your logic and interpretation have more holes than swiss cheese.
First of all you deducted that you have a loss of $28491.48 because only 20% are paid licenses. Thats wrong. You see it’s questionable what percentage of 80% users would continue using your app if they would be forced to pay. Very few from my experience.
Secondly, having people using your app is like having paid targeted advertising that is hitting exactly right market. So actual benefits, even questionable, are evident – and free of charge.
When you deduct benefits from realistically projected loses you will find that “real” loses are much much lower and if your app is really good you could end up in profit because of bigger user base and free social/viral marketing.
You obviously didn’t quite get how different internet economy/marketing is compared to anything we know from real world.
Lastly answer me this… if something can be multiplied infinite number of times with basically no cost whatsoever, then once fixed costs are paid off and variable costs practically does not exist, how do you determine the price for it? Does the price change with number of sold licenses?
What you’re doing is applying real world economic model where resources are limited on virtual economic model where resources are practically infinite. That, my friend, needs to change.
The business of video rentals is in its death throws. As a society that is a fact that we would be wise to accept.
Many profitable industries have had to adapt as technology has progressed. Hunting whales used to be a good buck before oil came on stream. Global Warming and Free Trade Agreements are also examples of technology forcing people to adapt to a new way of life.
Why does it matter that a particular business is no longer profitable? That’s the price of progress.
The crime of copying movies is different to the crime of rape: there are no victims, just people who have to find a different way to make money. A corporation is not human and does not feel pain and the people making money off video rentals are lucky they have time to adapt to the transition we are now in. They are also lucky their skills are transferable.
Unfortunately our system of governance has created an industry where it is profitable for people to ruin the lives of those who follow natural human drives and copy movies. This might be legal, but it is not victimless.
But ruining somebody’s life for a living is definitely immoral. It is also wrong to create widespread emotions of fear and guilt. Prosecuting people for copying movies is an excellent investment-return. Causing fear increases video rentals, generates money. That is the only reason it is done.
What we have here is a trade-off. What is the bigger evil, denying people an income source or the restriction of information and joy through ruining people’s lives? There are benefits to freedom of information. Many films and documentaries are now being watched world-wide that would otherwise not be. This is an enormous force changing our world for the better.
And despite the gloom over the decline in video rentals, the box office is not dead. In fact I keep hearing that so-an-so film is breaking new records. When I look around me here in South Korea, land of file-sharing ( http://www.stuff.co.nz/4275531a28.html )
two new movie theaters have sprung up this year in the town where I live. People love going to the movies. I went to see Beowolf last night, even though I have a projector, and might have been able to download a cam.
It is interesting that the transition to digital cinemas is going to save the movie industry a lot of money through digital copying. Making film reels for the entire world must be quite expensive. The movie industry is not going to die. The invention of VCRs made a nice side business in home-videos profitable in the first place. Now technology is marching on. There will be other ways these people can make money , maybe multi-player online games will merge with movies to create a new revenue stream. CD Keys that allow access to game servers have been successful in requiring people to happily pay for content.
If you can see it, you can copy it. If you can hear it you can copy it. That is the digital age we live in, and if filesharing gets driven offline, people will form groups of friends and share like they used to before the internet. It doesn’t take long for data to flood out on 500GB portable hard drives like this: six degrees of separation. The video industry as we know it is doomed. It can not win.
I don’t pity him.
He knew what he was doing was wrong.
Sure, you have people who pirate music and video games, then you have people who upload big time movies before they even come out.
Yeah.. one is bad.. the other is just plain stupid.
lol man that’s so true!
[quote comment="216315"]
We’re not taking away anything. Were copying and sharing.[/quote]
Believe me if this was affecting your income you would look at it differently
lol yeah, get a homeless guy to up your warez, what are they gonna do, put him in jail… lol, free accomodation and meals.
Seriously. This crap doesn’t make any f***ing sense. Like how Markus explained it, they are applying a real world economic model where resources are limited, on a virtual economic model where resources are practically infinite.
Sharing/copying != stealing. Sure, you get freeloaders, BUT you also get free advertising. Shit, I myself write code, and nowadays I get more in the way of donations compared to back in the day when I charged — p2p and sharing simply gets my stuff circulated far more widely than I could do myself.
Tux, comment 59: BitTrucker is a person, just like you. He has to eat breakfast this morning, he has to eat lunch this afternoon, and he has to eat dinner tonight. No one gives him this food for free, he has to get a job to get the money to feed himself (and family/whatever).
He goes to work in the morning, and from 9 to 5 he creates; he creates new tools, things that have never existed before; he gives many of these creations away, he sells the rest for a reasonable price, and in return for his contribution to society all he asks is money to live. Is that too much to ask?
BitTrucker: You have been very calm in the midst of infantile criticism. I will not trivially congratulate your maturity, but rather state: you show yourself to be an intelligent and civilized person.
Other: Also, a more complete link to criminal sentencing stats is
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/html/scscf04/tables/scs04103tab.htm
So then can anyone tell me how much money the world as lost due to libraries?
Damn pesky librarians giving out stuff for free :(
Is this you, bittrucker?
http://thepiratebay.org/user/bittrucker/
[quote comment="216394"]So then can anyone tell me how much money the world as lost due to libraries?
Damn pesky librarians giving out stuff for free :([/quote]
Excellent point.
I dont give a shit about these guys. The law might be harsh, but whos the dumbass who pushed the law? Its always been there, 10 years and prison and 500,000 in fines but he did it anyway and got busted. I knew the star waers release would be big trouble
[quote comment="215979"][quote comment="215957"]Wow, so many of you etc, etc…[/quote]
Indeed, comparing copying to stealing is incredibly ignorant.[/quote]
[quote comment="215988"]@ colossal
Do you happen to think before jotting down your thoughts? Don’t call people ignorant since you don’t know ‘em in the first place. So you’re advocating the laws eh? Who are those making the laws? What are those laws made for? Do you REALLY think it’s for the common people? What if you stood for the RIGHT to share instead of running and hiding like a rabbit? You’re so vain ‘cos you haven’t been busted yet, big mouth behind anonymity eh? Piss off …..[/quote]
I’m not vain, I’m just not fucking dumb about it. Comparing copying to stealing is ignorant? Who are making the laws? Who are laws made for? Well, dipshit, some laws are made for common people, and some laws are made to protect things works of art that other people create, if they want them protected. The right to share? What really makes you so high and mighty to think that you have a ‘right’ to share shit that you didn’t fucking create? Much more so if you didn’t even buy it in the first place? People spend their time and money to make products to sell to people, to play, as a means to make income, to have a house, to have food, to put clothes on their children’s backs. There are copyright laws enabled to protect this fact. I’ll agree, $50 for a brand new fucking video game is mega retarded, and I won’t buy any game for that much ever again. I won’t buy a CD for $15. I won’t buy a DVD for $20. Media itself is not that expensive to produce. It sucks, and that’s why I will still pirate until it’s just not possible, or I get busted, or I’m dead. I don’t like big business, and am very much an advocate of fucking those pigs as much as the next guy, they’ve raped us long enough, and it’s time to fuck them to. But the laws are what they are, the laws are set to protect the product, not the price. The thing is, however, you and I both know the law, we know what we are doing is wrong, and we know why it’s wrong. You can try to soften the shit up with “copying isn’t stealing”. So, let’s say I found a home porn tape of you and your mom fucking, and I took it, put it on my computer, and started making it available for anyone to download, and just put the tape back right where I found it… I mean, I didn’t steal it from you, I just ‘borrowed’ it, ‘copied’ it, and ’shared’ it with others, and gave it right back. Oh, here’s where the problem comes in; I didn’t have your permission to do so. You’d be pissed, you didn’t authorize me to do so, and because it’s your property, your rights were invaded. That is where these guys stand. I’m not saying I honestly give a fuck one way or the other where these guys stand, because I’ll still do what I do, I’ll keep seeding to peers, and do my part in keeping the ball rolling. What I won’t do is make shit out for anything but what it is. If I ever get busted, it’s no ones fault but mine. I’m not going to cower behind shitty false premises of ‘copying isn’t stealing’.
Comparing piracy to stealing is absolutely not ignorant, it is the same thing. If you go into a store and steal A (one) DVD of some stupid movie, you’ll probably get a fine, some small jail time. If you download that same movie online, and only that movie, you’ll probably never get caught at all. If you get in the back of the truck, and steal 3 cases of a specific movie, and start giving them away to people, and you get caught, how harsh of a punishment do you think you’ll get? Probably pretty fucking harsh. If you find a preview DVD of a movie that’s not even released yet, and make copies and give them away at the mall or out of the back of your car, and you get caught – do you think you’ll just get a small fine and a couple months in jail? Or do you think you’ll get 10 years and $500,000 fine? Probably the latter. Don’t pretend like “pirates get way harsher sentences than shoplifters”, because you do the time for what you did. Stealing a movie from a store is the equivalent of pirating one movie you didn’t buy from someone on BT, Soulseek, LimeWire or IRC. Stealing a case of DVDs and giving them to people for free is the equivalent to seeding a single movie to a ratio of 50.0. Pirating 40GB of PC or next gen games currently on the market, 20GB worth of XViD encoded feature full length movies, and 60GB worth of 320kbps full mp3 albums – none of which you actually ever paid for – is about the equivalent of going to a number of different stores and stealing 20 games, about 30 movies, and 200-300+ CDs. What do you think the revenue is on all that merch? High enough to spend some big jail time?
Again, I don’t give a shit about corporations, high pricing software companies, and big businesses trying to squeeze your wallet dry, fuck them and keep fucking with them. Show the fucks like the RIAA that they can spend as much money and man hours trying to find ways to protect their overly rich clients, but that it will continue to be futile. But for God’s sake, don’t pretend like you don’t know what you’re doing, and don’t pretend like it’s not wrong when you know for a fact it is.
/end novel
SHARING DATA WHATEVER TYPE IT MAY BE SHOULD ALWAYS BE LEGAL!…I MEAN THEY ARE USING CPU’S THAT THEY PURCHASED, INTERNET THAT THEY ARE PAYING AND ARE SUBSCRIBED TO AND POSSIBLY MOVIES FROM THE ORIGINAL DVD OR CD THAT IM SURE “SOMEONE” HAD PAID FOR.. SHRUNK IT AND UPLOADED IT!..DONT THESE TERMS GIVE ENOUGH RIGHT TO THE PEOPLE TO SAY THAT “HEY THESE ARE OURS TO DO WHAT WE WANT TO IT OUTSIDE OF CORPORATE AND FEDERAL JURISDICTION!”..THEY OWN THE PHYSICAL PROPERTY..WHY NOT OWN THE INTELLECTUAL PART AS WELL?..DOES THIS MEAN THAT IF I BUY A DVD…I DONT OWN IT?…DONT THE HUGE PRODUCTION COMPANIES MAKE ENOUGH MONEY OFF OF THE MOVIES OR MUSIC CD’S AT THE BOX OFFICE AND LIVE CONCERTS?….WHY DO THEY NEED MORE BY PUTTING PEOPLE IN JAIL FOR SHARING?..THIS IS FUCKED UP!
BUSH AND THE AMERICAN MILITARY IS KILLING THOUSANDS OF MIDDLE EASTERN PEOPLE AS WELL AS THERE OWN AMERICAN SOLDIERS…AMERICA IS SPENDING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THE WAR ON DRUGS AND MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE DYING OF THOSE CAUSES EVERY YEAR!….AMERICA NEEDS TO BE PAYING ATTENTION TO ITS PRIORITIES!…PROTECTING OUR HOMELAND AND STAYING OUT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS!…JAILING THE REAL CROOKS THAT PUT ICE AND CRACK ON THE STREETS AND IMPEACHING BUSH!..NOT ARRESTING NERDS FOR SHARING DATA!
im not sure how long ago it was but some tracker website was trying to get some island so uploaders and stuff could live their. any body got any idea on how that went? also
people whats happening is that laws are starting to become universal, so as treaties and other agreements are signed, certain international laws (such as copy right infringement) are becoming more universal, this means that within a period of time laws in america will affect your way of life in your country…this is really bad as other countries are influenced by external laws…which means no where is going to be safe any more (except for canada(well..apparently)).
also if a product is pirated and sold…thats a bit unfair and low blowing..personal use is different
The more money they make the bigger budget oieces of work they can put out. If everyone paid for example: games, we would have some kickass shit right now. Of course its risky and not so profitable with this downloading. Same goes for software, a lot is wasted. I mean theres some corps who pocket the money rather than invest it into greater products, but not most. I used to pirate, but i pay for my shit now cause i can afford it
[quote comment="216415"]The more money they make the bigger budget oieces of work they can put out.[/quote]
I’d be tempted to agree with you, but to make those things do they really need to get payed 20m+ per actor?
[quote comment="215877"]Could have raped a woman and got less jailtime.[/quote]
that’s true and incredibly pathetic. our legal system is seriously fucked.
[quote comment="216415"]The more money they make the bigger budget oieces of work they can put out. If everyone paid for example: games, we would have some kickass shit right now. Of course its risky and not so profitable with this downloading. Same goes for software, a lot is wasted. I mean theres some corps who pocket the money rather than invest it into greater products, but not most. I used to pirate, but i pay for my shit now cause i can afford it[/quote]
Not sure for movies, at the end of the day nothing beats the experience on the large screen.
However for games I definitely have to agree. Some of the games coming out these days a sub par, with many companies just not making single player games anymore because of piracy.
[quote comment="215874"]
As a software developer, I am personally “hurt” by people pirating my software. Point in fact; 3 months ago I released my last commercial project to the public – retailing at $9.99 per license.
Now, in this piece of software I had included computer-fingerprinting (basically it takes your CPU ID and a few other IDs, mangles them together and sends it back to a central database of mine) specifically for the purpose of seeing what the percentage of fully paid for, legal licenses were in relation to copies. I’ll tell you what it was – 20%. Twenty friggin percent are paid for copies, with the remaining 80% being ‘pirated’ copies. Now, I have a fairly small userbase (just over 700 registered users), but it has still cost me $28491.48 in lost business. Ok, so perhaps not everyone now running a pirated copy would have paid for it, so let’s say a third would have, that’s still a net loss of just below $10000 for me personally – or, spread out over the lifetime of the project, $3165 per month.
Just to be clear, those 80% of unlicensed copies only included people running the software regularly (which in this context means at least once a week since installation). Also, the fact I did collect this information was made perfectly clear in the legalese provided with the product.[/quote]
hmm, I wonder if you’ve taken into account the possibility of customers using your software on multiple computers of theirs or changing hardware (or other things that you check), unless the EULA limits customers to a single install (if so, ick)?
btw, what software are you talking about? if it’s something I’m interested in I might make an opensource equiv and give you some competition :)
[quote comment="216100"]
Anyway, please name one such company and I’ll bet you I can find at least one product they are NOT giving away for free.[/quote]
TFKyle Inc. :P
but more seriously, there’s Wikimedia, gnome, KDE, GNU, CC (if they’ve done any software, they’ve done a reasonable amount of media anyway – well their members have), probably gentoo, ‘course there’s always certain parts of the US government (required to release a lot of software under the public domain afaik). though most of the above are nonprofits I think they still apply atleast because their members have to make a living as well. might be possible to even argue that Red Hat and similar companies also apply as I’ve heard that they “work” by selling support for the software (which you pay for at the time of getting the OS) instead of the software itself, on the other hand it’s hard to know for sure because the GPL and similar licenses do allow you to sell distributions of the software for a price (distribution price iirc, could be wrong though).
[quote comment="215877"]Could have raped a woman and got less jailtime.[/quote]
jesus christ, 10 years is insane. i guess they are trying to make him an example. still thats F**king crazy…
Property is theft.
Getting 10 years for helping freedom of expression is a crime.
Next time he should an Anonymous BT type client to upload like dargens.
see http://www.dargens.com
Fact 1: By copying and distributing without paying you are naturally decreasing profit of those that produce whatever material you are copying. At a large scale that equal job losses.
Fact 2: Uploading and sharing unreleased movies is illegal.
Fact 3: Distributing copyrighted content without consent is illegal.
Fact 4: MPAA and RIAA is fighting a war that they will lose
Fact 5: Many of those that share are not financially able to buy CDs, Movies and Software either because 1. they are kids and have no spending power 2. are students paying 50,000 usd educations and have huge student loans and would in real life not contribute to the sales in the first place. Ex: look at the price of Adobe CS3, who in their right mind would expect the average student be able to pay for that?
Fact 6: Suing kids and 20 year olds is only going to give further bad publicity and will have direct effect on sales
Fact 7: A kid steals 3 lollipops from a candy store and later gives them to his friends – you cannot hold the friends liable for his actions.
Fact 8: RIAA and MPAA need to realize its a cat and mouse game and the mice keep growing at an exponential rate, while they shrink in size and power.
Solution: RIAA and MPAA and software companies! – use the technology to your advantage.. learn how to distribute goods at free prices or at close-to-free prices and find alternative revenue sources.. its not that hard to be innovative if you actually try! That way you can tap market segments that have not been properly explored. Such as getting revenue from individuals that would not have the spending power to buy your product in the first place.
[quote comment="216387"]Tux, comment 59: BitTrucker is a person, just like you. He has to eat breakfast this morning, he has to eat lunch this afternoon, and he has to eat dinner tonight. No one gives him this food for free, he has to get a job to get the money to feed himself (and family/whatever).
He goes to work in the morning, and from 9 to 5 he creates; he creates new tools, things that have never existed before; he gives many of these creations away, he sells the rest for a reasonable price, and in return for his contribution to society all he asks is money to live. Is that too much to ask?
[/quote]
What you’re casually throwing in there is that “for a reasonable price” phrase.
What is “reasonable price” for anything that can be reproduced/copied infinite number of times without any cost?
Infinite HAS NO reasonable price.
If you want to see how messed up the U.S is, watch this quick video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2026502830810551718
The rest of the world need to help the American public soon from their own government the way things are heading.
But judging by the way the U.S treat the rest of the world, they might not get much sympathy.
Some of the most ignorant and uneducated comments I think I have read, especially from some of you Europeans. You wouldn’t be shit if it weren’t for the USA. Don’t forget it. Who do you think would protect Europe if we were nowhere around? England?, a country the size of Florida. HA HA. We all know Germany and France would rather sell weapons to the enemy for some oil, so you can count them out too. What about..OH wait those are your big three. Well you can always call the Swiss army, I hear they have really great knives!
When I get information like this I get fucked like all of you. But parallel I am wondering: there is EFF, Amnnesty Int., and so on- I would love to participate with a group combining efforts on legal, PR, administrative and so on responses. I am a professional from Austria and I am getting fed up because there must be a way of to respond and starting to coordinate activities
well i wonder how much it cost him to make the movie and i wonder how much he made off it i bet he is not broke
That’s right chrismd, it’s about time we did something about all this, but how on earth would you fight bolshie people like that Adam (#123) twat who thinks the world = U.S.A?
this is getting serious..
can i just say F$%@!
this sucks so bad! i feel bad for the poor guy, there are SO MANY BAD THINGS to care about in this world, and they are looking at this guy!!! he just shared some media! what’s the big deal? why don’t spend that money in education or health? don’t you fucking see you can make a better world, and you are screwing it!!!!! look around and realize how foolish you are.
freedom is the key. seriously.
Yeh John. You find freaked out nuts like Adam everywhere. Maybe he is a 14 year old thinking Iraq is in South America. Serious people do and act in a serious manner. I know that people in the US have more difficulties maintaining their freedom and get more misleading information ( like the IRS that has no constitutional basis) but people have started to fight back and I am opptimistic about that. Here in Austria a court verdict issued to a torrent community member was successfully abolished after legal intervention. The newspapers did some reporting and in a small country like Austria it worked out in this one case. Anyway a global coordination is not compareable but as global group that is interlinked with people that opposs restrictions to information flow and transfer – as I said -wonder if there is any way to act-even if the scope of what we can do is small. A lot of things in history started with some guys that started thinking – the social dimension started secundarily. Anyway dont worry about Adams & co. Stupos are in the US, EU, Chine and -in Torrent Freak ( rather unfortuneatly). Sorry for my bad English-in every day life I speak German.
I feel sorry for the ppl in USA they can get 10 years for uploading a movie, they need to buy insurance to get medical care and their youngs are sent offbroad to fight in wars they don’t understand.
But still it’s the ppl that lets this happen.
anybody remember the days when you had to go and get your photo’s developed behind the counter. and then along came TEKNOLGY and we could reproduce and share our digital photos for free on FACEBUK and diddn’t have to pay a DIME
shame, all those poor people who used to develop photo’s for a living had to find new ways of making money and probably lost a lot of it on expensive printing equipment.
I never heard one peep from agfa, or fujifilm.
why is this?
Hollywood is a bunch of selfish, currupt, talentless fucks. they have enough money to wipe their arses with for the rest of time. maybe they won’t be able to afford that gold plated shark tank for their bar, but fuck them, neither can the rest of us. it was only during the 80’s that entertainment took such a financial imperitive and now the tipping point has been reached.
Never again will we see the massive ammounts of unnessecary investment on intangible thinks like MOVEES & MUSIK, people will only become more demanding of KWID PRO KWO (something for something) when handing over their harder and harder earned KASH.
yay, i watched a movie, it was cool.
how much was it WORTH TO ME
not 10 motherfucking years
i’m gonna go read a book from the LIBRARY, the ORIGINAL filesharing.
fuck amerika, i KAN’T WAIT until it’s corrupt, nihalistic endevours eat it from the inside out like a cancer. then I can start hating the CHINEEZE
[quote comment="215874"][quote comment="215825"]HE FUCKING DIDN’T HURT ANYONE! All he did was share some data over the internet! This is plain insanity.
America, Inc; a fully owned subsidary of Corporate America, Inc.[/quote]
He didn’t hurt anyone?
As a software developer, I am personally “hurt” by people pirating my software. Point in fact; 3 months ago I released my last commercial project to the public – retailing at $9.99 per license.
Now, in this piece of software I had included computer-fingerprinting (basically it takes your CPU ID and a few other IDs, mangles them together and sends it back to a central database of mine) specifically for the purpose of seeing what the percentage of fully paid for, legal licenses were in relation to copies. I’ll tell you what it was – 20%. Twenty friggin percent are paid for copies, with the remaining 80% being ‘pirated’ copies. Now, I have a fairly small userbase (just over 700 registered users), but it has still cost me $28491.48 in lost business. Ok, so perhaps not everyone now running a pirated copy would have paid for it, so let’s say a third would have, that’s still a net loss of just below $10000 for me personally – or, spread out over the lifetime of the project, $3165 per month.
Just to be clear, those 80% of unlicensed copies only included people running the software regularly (which in this context means at least once a week since installation). Also, the fact I did collect this information was made perfectly clear in the legalese provided with the product.[/quote]
Maybe you should learn what other people before you have. You wins’em an you lose’em. If your in the software business then you shouldn’t expect such a return early on. Heck, how many of those people would of heard of your software if it wasn’t for bittorrent? Now that you have a larger following, use it to sell your next product. Let it grow dear fellow, let it grow. Those people will recommend it to other people and bring it to their businesses. Businesses cannot normal ly except pirated software. So cha ching! You suddenly have free advertising. You will have product known by thousands rather than hundreds. Remember there are a lot of potential customers. So do not expect tears here. The world rewards the willing.
Bittrucker nonsense. I buy the software only when I read a lot of reviews on torrents forums. You are an idiot and you have no idea of doing business.
The movie and music industry could have avoided all this by giving their customers a fair deal, instead of bleeding us dry over the years. They give us too little, too late, squeezing out every dollar they can for maximum profit.
In developed countries, a great deal of people have internet to the access. I can only begin to imagine how many of us there are out there sharing files. We’re not just common criminals, common thugs. We’re high school students, doctors, soccer moms. This is a world wide thing, not a series of random incidents.
“The customer is always right” You know, I remember when that saying actually used to mean something. These days, ‘being right’ seems to be the province of those who have enough money to pay for the privilege.
P2P is here to stay. You can continue to prosecute ordinary citizens here and there while we continue sharing files on the internet, or you can continue to go the way you’re going. People don’t like being manipulated for another’s personal gain. Look for the day when the average citizen gets tired of being taken for a ride.
lol
Laughable
Freaking ridiculous to read people defending the corrupt (and ethically plain wrong) laws.
Even if you KNOW 100% that the law states you will get sent to jail for 10 years, if the crime is trivial (i.e uploading Star Wars III or whatever) then the law IS NOT JUSTIFIED.
Don’t accept laws just because they exist. Do you also follow orders blindly? Grow a fuckin brain, damn hillbillies.
(Don’t mean to offend those of you americans that actually can see reason)
Who ‘owns’ these companies?
[quote comment="216573"]Some of the most ignorant and uneducated comments I think I have read, especially from some of you Europeans. You wouldn’t be shit if it weren’t for the USA. Don’t forget it. Who do you think would protect Europe if we were nowhere around? England?, a country the size of Florida. HA HA. We all know Germany and France would rather sell weapons to the enemy for some oil, so you can count them out too. What about..OH wait those are your big three. Well you can always call the Swiss army, I hear they have really great knives![/quote]
hahahaha all bow down to U S and A the masters of the free world…..
My friend you have a very narrow out look on life.
Woke up this morning and read all this again. If there is a legal defense fund (PLEASE no phony ones like the ones setup by assorted parasites when OINK went down!) I will contribute. In protest I plan on renting all 6 Star Wars movies, (Widescreen, all the goodies) and copy and upload them to my favorite P2P site, no compression, full quality! I realized I don’t have them in my collection. And I have many many TBs of stuff! So Fuck you Hollywood! And a BIG FU to the Web sherriff.
[quote]These are maximum sentences…. He definetly won’t get 10 years & 500k. There’s no way this will happen — he’ll probably serve 1/3rd of it and get parole.[/quote]
Still way to much.
[quote]I don’t pity him.
He knew what he was doing was wrong.
[/quote]
You know very well that it’s not wrong.
[quote]Well, dipshit, some laws are made for common people, and some laws are made to protect things works of art that other people create, if they want them protected.[/quote]
You say “protect the art” like sharing it harms it.
[quote]The right to share? What really makes you so high and mighty to think that you have a ‘right’ to share shit that you didn’t fucking create?[/quote]
Yes, I very well fucking do have a right to share.
Pah, stupid freedom haters…
[quote]But the laws are what they are, the laws are set to protect the product, not the price. [/quote]
Again, how is the “product” in any danger of being harmed? Does me sharing a Pink Floyd album over the internet somehow harm it?
[quote]The thing is, however, you and I both know the law, we know what we are doing is wrong, and we know why it’s wrong. [/quote]
I know the law says it is wrong, but I don’t agree with the law.
It’s not wrong.
[quote]You can try to soften the shit up with “copying isn’t stealing”.[/quote]
Do you know why people say that? Because it’s true! Sharing ISN’T stealing.
[quote]So, let’s say I found a home porn tape of you and your mom fucking, and I took it, put it on my computer, and started making it available for anyone to download, and just put the tape back right where I found it… I mean, I didn’t steal it from you, I just ‘borrowed’ it, ‘copied’ it, and ’shared’ it with others, and gave it right back.[/quote]
You stole that tape. However, if the person who made it sold that tape to you and you copied it then it would be fine.
[quote]I’m not going to cower behind shitty false premises of ‘copying isn’t stealing’.[/quote]
It’s an entirely true statement. Sharing isn’t stealing; never has been, never will be.
[quote]Stealing a movie from a store is the equivalent of pirating one movie you didn’t buy from someone on BT, Soulseek, LimeWire or IRC. Stealing a case of DVDs and giving them to people for free is the equivalent to seeding a single movie to a ratio of 50.0. Pirating 40GB of PC or next gen games currently on the market, 20GB worth of XViD encoded feature full length movies, and 60GB worth of 320kbps full mp3 albums – none of which you actually ever paid for – is about the equivalent of going to a number of different stores and stealing 20 games, about 30 movies, and 200-300+ CDs.[/quote]
It’s not equivalent at all. In one case you actually steal a physical object, in the other case you download a copy of it.
[quote]But for God’s sake, don’t pretend like you don’t know what you’re doing, and don’t pretend like it’s not wrong when you know for a fact it is.[/quote]
You and me both know that sharing isn’t stealing, and sharing isn’t wrong. Stop pretending, really; it’s pathetic of you.
[quote]Property is theft.[/quote]
Proudhon said that, and by you saying it again it means that you have stolen it from him!
/end capitalist-fascist anti-sharing anti-freedom stupidity
[quote]Some of the most ignorant and uneducated comments I think I have read, especially from some of you Europeans. You wouldn’t be shit if it weren’t for the USA. Don’t forget it. Who do you think would protect Europe if we were nowhere around? England?, a country the size of Florida. HA HA. We all know Germany and France would rather sell weapons to the enemy for some oil, so you can count them out too. What about..OH wait those are your big three. Well you can always call the Swiss army, I hear they have really great knives![/quote]
America makes people want to attack it and its allies. Europe (a lot of it at least) doesn’t.
[quote]hahahaha all bow down to U S and A the masters of the free world…..[/quote]
If only there was a part of the world that was free…
[quote comment="216407"][quote comment="215979"][quote comment="215957"]Wow, so many of you etc, etc…[/quote]
Indeed, comparing copying to stealing is incredibly ignorant.[/quote]
[quote comment="215988"]@ colossal
Do you happen to think before jotting down your thoughts? Don’t call people ignorant since you don’t know ‘em in the first place. So you’re advocating the laws eh? Who are those making the laws? What are those laws made for? Do you REALLY think it’s for the common people? What if you stood for the RIGHT to share instead of running and hiding like a rabbit? You’re so vain ‘cos you haven’t been busted yet, big mouth behind anonymity eh? Piss off …..[/quote]
I’m not vain, I’m just not fucking dumb about it. Comparing copying to stealing is ignorant? Who are making the laws? Who are laws made for? Well, dipshit, some laws are made for common people, and some laws are made to protect things works of art that other people create, if they want them protected. The right to share? What really makes you so high and mighty to think that you have a ‘right’ to share shit that you didn’t fucking create? Much more so if you didn’t even buy it in the first place? People spend their time and money to make products to sell to people, to play, as a means to make income, to have a house, to have food, to put clothes on their children’s backs. There are copyright laws enabled to protect this fact. I’ll agree, $50 for a brand new fucking video game is mega retarded, and I won’t buy any game for that much ever again. I won’t buy a CD for $15. I won’t buy a DVD for $20. Media itself is not that expensive to produce. It sucks, and that’s why I will still pirate until it’s just not possible, or I get busted, or I’m dead. I don’t like big business, and am very much an advocate of fucking those pigs as much as the next guy, they’ve raped us long enough, and it’s time to fuck them to. But the laws are what they are, the laws are set to protect the product, not the price. The thing is, however, you and I both know the law, we know what we are doing is wrong, and we know why it’s wrong. You can try to soften the shit up with “copying isn’t stealing”. So, let’s say I found a home porn tape of you and your mom fucking, and I took it, put it on my computer, and started making it available for anyone to download, and just put the tape back right where I found it… I mean, I didn’t steal it from you, I just ‘borrowed’ it, ‘copied’ it, and ’shared’ it with others, and gave it right back. Oh, here’s where the problem comes in; I didn’t have your permission to do so. You’d be pissed, you didn’t authorize me to do so, and because it’s your property, your rights were invaded. That is where these guys stand. I’m not saying I honestly give a fuck one way or the other where these guys stand, because I’ll still do what I do, I’ll keep seeding to peers, and do my part in keeping the ball rolling. What I won’t do is make shit out for anything but what it is. If I ever get busted, it’s no ones fault but mine. I’m not going to cower behind shitty false premises of ‘copying isn’t stealing’.
Comparing piracy to stealing is absolutely not ignorant, it is the same thing. If you go into a store and steal A (one) DVD of some stupid movie, you’ll probably get a fine, some small jail time. If you download that same movie online, and only that movie, you’ll probably never get caught at all. If you get in the back of the truck, and steal 3 cases of a specific movie, and start giving them away to people, and you get caught, how harsh of a punishment do you think you’ll get? Probably pretty fucking harsh. If you find a preview DVD of a movie that’s not even released yet, and make copies and give them away at the mall or out of the back of your car, and you get caught – do you think you’ll just get a small fine and a couple months in jail? Or do you think you’ll get 10 years and $500,000 fine? Probably the latter. Don’t pretend like “pirates get way harsher sentences than shoplifters”, because you do the time for what you did. Stealing a movie from a store is the equivalent of pirating one movie you didn’t buy from someone on BT, Soulseek, LimeWire or IRC. Stealing a case of DVDs and giving them to people for free is the equivalent to seeding a single movie to a ratio of 50.0. Pirating 40GB of PC or next gen games currently on the market, 20GB worth of XViD encoded feature full length movies, and 60GB worth of 320kbps full mp3 albums – none of which you actually ever paid for – is about the equivalent of going to a number of different stores and stealing 20 games, about 30 movies, and 200-300+ CDs. What do you think the revenue is on all that merch? High enough to spend some big jail time?
Again, I don’t give a shit about corporations, high pricing software companies, and big businesses trying to squeeze your wallet dry, fuck them and keep fucking with them. Show the fucks like the RIAA that they can spend as much money and man hours trying to find ways to protect their overly rich clients, but that it will continue to be futile. But for God’s sake, don’t pretend like you don’t know what you’re doing, and don’t pretend like it’s not wrong when you know for a fact it is.
/end novel[/quote]
Just because something is against the law doesn’t make it wrong by definition. The reality is that laws are made by big companies for big companies to protect their own interests.
And no matter how much bullshit you write to justify your ludicrous ignorance, copying is not the same as stealing.
People spend their time and money to make “products” so that organisations like the ones behind the MAFIAA can screw them over first and then overcharge the rest of us so they can make huge profits while contributing nothing to the process. There is the real crime.
I feel bad for them.
http://productiveblog.blogspot.com
bittrucker:
Unless the users stole a physical retail copy of your software, NONE of them equate to a loss for you. If nothing is missing, there is no loss.
Adam:
How”s that “protecting” going in Iraq?
Imagine you buy a bag of potato chips from a convenience store. Then because you have a really cool Harry Potter style wand you make lots more bags of chips from the first and give them to all your friends.
Now it might piss off the chip-making factory but it sure as hell ain’t stealing. It’s just your good fortune to have a cool wand.
It isn’t taking money from the chip makers. It is denying them profits.
These are morally two completely different things.
No wonder Terrorists are able to penetrate the country, hijack plains and fly them into two of the largest buildings in the world.
Maybe the STUPID FUCKING FBI could make some time to protect the American people. I know it means they have to protect against DANGEROUS people but I was under the impression thats what they where hired for?
Hmm, I do think that people are entitled to profit from their intellectual work, whether it’s sold directly to the consumer or by contract with a third party distributor. If you don’t want to pay the price, okay. But I don’t see how that entitles anyone to steal the work. Why don’t you pirates just go out and create something by investing your time to learn, to create something new, and your own hard work market it. And you can give it away if you like.
As for copyright laws in the US, I believe the protection continues for 50 years after the author’s death, and the work enters the public domain.
As for the guy who got caught (remember him?), I think that he’ll be okay too. Most judges and juries in the US have not lost their common sense. Hmm, but if he were the leader of an organized crime outfit, do you think that the maximum penalty would be appropriate?
Finally, I think that maybe the most nteresting perspective was from Markus (#99).
[quote]If you don’t want to pay the price, okay. But I don’t see how that entitles anyone to steal the work. [/quote]
Are you really so ignorant as to not understand the difference between sharing and stealing? It’s like the difference between night and day; it’s a massive difference.
Why doesn’t the FBI spend more time fighting the real criminals?
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[quote comment="216106"]What I want to know is, how much time would Lindsay Lohan get if she uploaded a movie :)
America, there are a lot of people laughing at you at the moment. Why not try to do one thing to win back some respect?[/quote]
I agree. I’m an American and yes, I voted for Bush in 2000 because I hated Gore (talk about having a lousy choice bac then). I DID NOT vote for Bush in 2004.
Bush is pro-business, looking for way to make Big Business even richer and more powerful.
Mad said:
> America, Inc; a fully owned subsidary of Corporate America, Inc.
May I re-phrase that?
America, Inc; a fully owned subsidary of Big Business of America, Inc.
whose motto is: Who cares about people? We’re in it for the MONEY!!!!
Big Business doesn’t take care of their workers. Sure, they say they do, but this is all lip service. I’m getting off-topic here, so I won’t go no this thread, but…
I feel this sentence is too harsh. George Lucas is a rich man. I’m sure that with this upload, Mr. Lucas didn’t lose that much money, probably pennies on each dollar he did get.
Now, let’s jump to the inner-city. An elderly lady has just cashed her $500 Social Security check and she is heading back home. A thug comes along and mugs her taking all of that cash. The mugger gets caught and spends maybe a year in jail.
This guy. percentage-wise, didn’t take that much from Mr. Lucas while the thug took EVERY PENNY that poor old lady had, yet he gets a lighter sentence. Makes sense? If this makes sense, please explain the logic here.
Now, before you tell me that stealing is stealing whether from an old lady or from a multinational company, I’m just say that the sentence should be based with how much damage OVERALL is done, not just dollars and cents.
[quote]May I re-phrase that?[/quote]
Sure.
[quote]Now, before you tell me that stealing is stealing whether from an old lady or from a multinational company, I’m just say that the sentence should be based with how much damage OVERALL is done, not just dollars and cents.[/quote]
But he didn’t steal from that company.
Hey, #, Jack, John, Mad, OBL and the rest of you bunch of America-haters:
Cheers to your vaunted Europe, birthplace of Hitler-ism.
Yeah, we Americans admit we made a huge mistake — saving your sorry rear-ends from yourselves. Why did we waste so many American lives in WWI and WWII to help such a bunch of insignificant, ignorant, semi-humanoids? Guess we felt sorry for you pathetic lives. Our mistake.
Hey Jack, you sound like an ignorant American. Seems like you need to read the London Financial Times 11/5/07:
“A legislative proposal that was once on the fast track is suddenly dead. The Senate will not consider a plan to extract billions in extra taxes from megamillionaire hedge fund managers.
The decision by Senate majority leader Harry Reid, the Nevada Democrat, surprised many Washington insiders, who saw the plan as appealing to the spirit of class warfare that infuses the Democratic party. Liberal disappointment in Mr Reid was palpable at media outlets such as USA Today, where an editorial chastised: “The Democrats, who control Congress and claim to represent the middle and lower classes, ought to be embarrassed.”
Far from embarrassing, this episode may reflect a dawning Democratic awareness of whom they really represent. For the demographic reality is that, in America, the Democratic party is the new “party of the rich”. More and more Democrats represent areas with a high concentration of wealthy households. Using Internal Revenue Service data, the Heritage Foundation identified two categories of taxpayers – single filers with incomes of more than $100,000 and married filers with incomes of more than $200,000 – and combined them to discern where the wealthiest Americans live and who represents them.
Democrats now control the majority of the nation’s wealthiest congressional jurisdictions. More than half of the wealthiest households are concentrated in the 18 states where Democrats control both Senate seats.
This new political demography holds true in the House of Representatives, where the leadership of each party hails from different worlds. Nancy Pelosi, Democratic leader of the House of Representatives, represents one of America’s wealthiest regions. Her San Francisco district has more than 43,700 high-end households. Fewer than 7,000 households in the western Ohio district of House Republican leader John Boehner enjoy this level of affluence.”
Fuck everyone here who are talking about laws and all that shit. Political stuff and bittorrent don’t mix well together. The guy doesn’t deserve to be in jail just because of a simple shit he did by uploading a movie into the internet. It’s just simply fucking ridiculous.
I have to say that Colossal says it best.
+ my 2 cents:
All of you that think copying != stealing, are right in one aspect. Physically, it is NOT THE SAME. When you COPY, the original material IS STILL THERE. When you steal (like from a store), the copy IS GONE. Yes, obviously there is a difference here. Physically, STEALING removes something and copying just makes a second copy of it.
However, from the aspect of PAYING for it, and giving the CREATOR their DUE for the work they have created, THEY ARE THE SAME.
You make/take a copy of pirated software, yes the original copy is still on all of those other seeders’ systems, yes there are still copies on store shelves, but YOU, THE COPIER no longer have to pay for the work, as people that get it from the store do,
WHETHER YOU COPY OR STEAL, THE FACT REMAINS THE SAME, there is a financial loss from copying, and there is a financial loss from stealing, the fact they are different physically or methodically is irrelevant.
If you don’t buy a band’s CD but you pirate it instead, then they just LOST money, because you get to enjoy it for free, when you were SUPPOSED to pay for it like everyone else, it doesn’t matter if your friend still has his RETAIL copy, you just got something that ISN’T FREE for FREE. If that friend stole the physical copy from walmart, then the band loses money AGAIN, because he got something that ISN’T FREE for FREE.
You can piss and moan all you want on how copying and stealing are different, but their negative effects are the same. The band can always stock another CD on the shelf, but it doesn’t take away from the fact that you NOW have no reason to buy it so they have one less “consumer” for their product.
I am not anti-piracy as much as I had to make this point. I hate getting ripped off for CDs and DVDs, and theres so much music out there I want to be able to listen to and I frankly don’t make enough money to buy it all.
But I’m not going to hide behind statements and try to say that PIRACY or PRE-RELEASE PIRACY is somehow legal, because OBVIOUSLY it is not or that it can be justified by the method with which the CD/DVD is stolen. I don’t care how you steal it, it is still technically keeping the artist from earning money.
And my last point. Not all CDs and albums go through the RIAA or Screw-The-Artist labels. Use RIAARadar or something to find plenty of NON-RIAA labels and bands, who probably actually make quite a bit more off of each sale.
I DONT AGREE WITH THE RIAA/MPAA taking OUTRAGEOUS profits and not giving much if any to the artists, and I DONT AGREE WITH LABELS that do the same thing. But aside from the fact that our government protects big business and that there are CEOs and big executives making all the money here, while artists starve, I still can acknowledge the fact that when I DOWNLOAD a CD, when I DOWNLOAD a DVD, and never end up BUYING IT, that even though I COPIED IT and didnt “STEAL” it, THAT I JUST KEPT THE CREATOR FROM MAKING MONEY (no matter HOW little of money that is).
.. and 1 more comment I forgot to make.
I COMPLETELY AM APPALLED by the fact that this guy COULD be facing a worse sentence then SEX OFFENDERS and other horrible criminals that have a SEVERE physical / fatal affect on others, by uploading data to the interwebs… that I DEFINITELY oppose, but it doesn’t detract from what else I have said.
[quote]Yeah, we Americans admit we made a huge mistake — saving your sorry rear-ends from yourselves. Why did we waste so many American lives in WWI and WWII to help such a bunch of insignificant, ignorant, semi-humanoids? Guess we felt sorry for you pathetic lives. Our mistake.[/quote]
Yay, another self-righteous American.
In case you might want to know, it was the Soviet Union who suffered by far the highest amount of casualties in WWII on the allied side, as well as killed the most Germans.
But you probably didn’t want to know that. You see your country as the saviours of the evil world, yet you’re the single greatest threat to world peace (just ask the million dead Iraqis, 32% killed by Americans and the rest killed in the civil war you started).
[quote]If you don’t buy a band’s CD but you pirate it instead, then they just LOST money,[/quote]
Wrong. They didn’t loose money.
Let’s say a record company has X amount of money in the bank. I copy an album by an artist they control. The record company still has X amount of money. They didn’t loose anything, they just didn’t gain like they expected.
[quote]But I’m not going to hide behind statements and try to say that PIRACY or PRE-RELEASE PIRACY is somehow legal, because OBVIOUSLY it is not or that it can be justified by the method with which the CD/DVD is stolen. I don’t care how you steal it, it is still technically keeping the artist from earning money.[/quote]
We’re not arguing that it’s legal. We don’t care if it’s legal, we know it’s not wrong so we do it.
Something must be done ppl and fighting each other is not helping the cause.Mind that you’re the one being nationalist in this case.We’re all humans and shouldn’t let demons of the past haunt our future and destroy the possibilities of a cooperation that could benefit us all.
File-sharing is no going to die and piracy is a force to be reckoned with when working in the entertainment industry.They earn enough money,don’t let people lie you into the belief that somewhere there is a poor Holywood director who is starving because you’re watching a DVD rip of his multi-million-dollar movie or that the game industry is going to die out just because you downloaded a game that you didn’t like anyway.
Nobody can forbid us to let our friends watch a movie,play a game or use a program we bought,even if that person is somewhere miles away.
Capitalism is trying to apply it’s materialistic business model onto virtual property despite the complete paradox this would create being that the internet is a medium of freedom that can not be labeled with price.
Is it really fair to have people arrested for enabling people to non-commercially share files?
They can’t put the whole world in jail anyway.We have to protect our right to share so that people can experience all this media has to offer without being limited by social status and country.
This is a chance to have an internet free of bureaucratic bullshit and capitalistic megalomania,free of prejudice and free of dollar signs and this is what we must protect,one of the last freedoms we have left.
[quote comment="215874"]
As a software developer, I am personally “hurt” by people pirating my software…
… 20%. Twenty friggin percent are paid for copies, with the remaining 80% being ‘pirated’ copies. Now, I have a fairly small userbase (just over 700 registered users), but it has still cost me $28491.48 in lost business. [/quote]
Let’s not forget the over SIX BILLION people who didn’t even consider using your program. If you factor in the money THEY didn’t give you, losses mount to over FIFTY BILLION DOLLARS!
There’s something else I forgot to mention.
None of these movies, games, or music are necessary for you to survive. They are only amusements and luxuries, and the world will keep on turning with or without them. Did you ever think of organizing a mass boycott to force the prices down? Say for six months or a year?
As for how much money Gxxxx Lxxxxx has, well, so what? Nobody forced anybody else or you to pay for a ticket to his movies. Are you jealous of his wealth? That’s part of it, isn’t it?
And tell me, where is that money? Is it under his the mattress, in a cave guarded by a dragon, or is it invested in other business that employ people, maybe people like you? Or does he just burn like autumn leaves?
how can you lock someone up for 10 years for a non violent crime? That doesn’t make any sense. A fine is all that is called for in a “tort” issue.
The justice system in America isn’t blind it is looking right at those not making the laws.
lets start from the point that l dont have any money to buy a game,cd,movie. if l get a file off from the internet its free, but l would still have no money to buy the game,cd,movie in the first place anyway. so how could it be a lost sale if the sale couldn’t possibly HAVE TAKEN PLACE in the first place ?
the game,movie,cd is still gonna be sat there on the shopshelf getting dust, not money from me which l dont have !
and plz no “if you aint got the cash you can’t have it” argument. because that is a bit unkind to the poorer people of this world, and yes even in 1st world countries there are many,many millions of us who simply CANT buy all this HEAVILY OVERPRICED shit ! THATS WHY WE SHARE, GOD DAMN IT !!!! at least it gives us “poorer” members of this world a chance to see what the “richer” people of this world can easily enjoy ! why would you deny the poor that over more profit for some rich fucker who probably dont need anymore cash anywayz.
we work hard, get inadequate wages that just about pays bills & food with little left over,where the hell is the money to buy cars,holidays,clothes,furniture,appliances,let alone a game or a music cd or movie dvd ! look at it from this angle.
[quote comment="216963"][quote]Yeah, we Americans admit we made a huge mistake — saving your sorry rear-ends from yourselves. Why did we waste so many American lives in WWI and WWII to help such a bunch of insignificant, ignorant, semi-humanoids? Guess we felt sorry for you pathetic lives. Our mistake.[/quote]
Yay, another self-righteous American.
In case you might want to know, it was the Soviet Union who suffered by far the highest amount of casualties in WWII on the allied side, as well as killed the most Germans.
But you probably didn’t want to know that. You see your country as the saviours of the evil world, yet you’re the single greatest threat to world peace (just ask the million dead Iraqis, 32% killed by Americans and the rest killed in the civil war you started).
You can spout off stats and percentages all day long does that make it true? Nope. Show some credible evidence when you make absolutely ridiculous statements that you try to pass off as truth!
As for the soviet union, they were fighting to protect there own country. They didn’t invade France to save the French people! We did!, and if we wouldn’t have joined the war when we did Hitler would have taken England too. It would have been a domino effect. Yes we had help, but if we weren’t there the out come would have been totally different.
Did we have to get involved? No. Why did we? Because it was the right thing to do. And you can best believe that we would do it again if it were to happen again (God Forbid).That is not self righteous that is the truth.
Hey #, you “peace-loving” Europeans make the Iraqi Sunni-Shiite spat look pretty dull.
How many gazillions of ignorant, pathetic Europeans have been killing and maiming each other on a regular basis since Europeans learned to read and write?
Makes perfect sense that Fascism, Nazism and Communism was born in your Europe. Also makes perfect sense that you would honor that great humanitarian and defender of Europe and its ideals, Joseph Stalin.
(You responded: “In case you might want to know, it was the Soviet Union who suffered by far the highest amount of casualties in WWII on the allied side, as well as killed the most Germans.”)
[quote comment="216794"]Imagine you buy a bag of potato chips from a convenience store. Then because you have a really cool Harry Potter style wand you make lots more bags of chips from the first and give them to all your friends.
Now it might piss off the chip-making factory but it sure as hell ain’t stealing. It’s just your good fortune to have a cool wand.
It isn’t taking money from the chip makers. It is denying them profits.
These are morally two completely different things.[/quote]
Best example yet; short, sweet, smart.
[quote comment="216934"]Hey, #, Jack, John, Mad, OBL and the rest of you bunch of America-haters:
Cheers to your vaunted Europe, birthplace of Hitler-ism.
Yeah, we Americans admit we made a huge mistake — saving your sorry rear-ends from yourselves. Why did we waste so many American lives in WWI and WWII to help such a bunch of insignificant, ignorant, semi-humanoids? Guess we felt sorry for you pathetic lives. Our mistake.[/quote]
Yup; all of us americans think exactly the same thoughts, and do exactly the same things. We get up at the same time, work at the same time, eat at the same time, and hold the same beliefs.
Its not like there’s a single compassionate american; its not like there’s a single american who’s heart, and wallet, go out to a starving child; its not like there’s a single american who has respect for England, and Germany, and France, and Spain.
No sir, we are all the same venomous, greedy, self-centered, self-righteous, self-proclaimed superiors of all those other inferior countries on the planet.
In case you didn’t get that – Eurofascist/posts 154,166 – that was sarcasm.
usafascists is the ,fatface self serving LOUD ASS
FUKS l ever heard
man USA you only a relatively new country , what 200 years or some poor crap existance , what can you teach the world you noob nation . thats from Europe
[quote comment="217005"][quote comment="216963"][quote]Yeah, we Americans admit we made a huge mistake — saving your sorry rear-ends from yourselves. Why did we waste so many American lives in WWI and WWII to help such a bunch of insignificant, ignorant, semi-humanoids? Guess we felt sorry for you pathetic lives. Our mistake.[/quote]
[/quote]Yay, another self-righteous American.
In case you might want to know, it was the Soviet Union who suffered by far the highest amount of casualties in WWII on the allied side, as well as killed the most Germans.
But you probably didn’t want to know that. You see your country as the saviours of the evil world, yet you’re the single greatest threat to world peace (just ask the million dead Iraqis, 32% killed by Americans and the rest killed in the civil war you started).[/quote]
[/quote]You can spout off stats and percentages all day long does that make it true? Nope. Show some credible evidence when you make absolutely ridiculous statements that you try to pass off as truth!
As for the soviet union, they were fighting to protect there own country. They didn’t invade France to save the French people! We did!, and if we wouldn’t have joined the war when we did Hitler would have taken England too. It would have been a domino effect. Yes we had help, but if we weren’t there the out come would have been totally different.
Did we have to get involved? No. Why did we? Because it was the right thing to do. And you can best believe that we would do it again if it were to happen again (God Forbid).That is not self righteous that is the truth.[/quote]
Sorry for the repost and sorry for being off topic I just can’t stand ignorant American bashing. I don’t think we are perfect by a long shot but at least have you information correct if you are going to form that strong of an opinion about something! I mean one guy on hear send we should be nuked! Over bit torrent!? Get a grip.
I download as many movies as anyone but, the fact is, these laws arent anything they just made up just to mess with this guy. I mean they have been around for decades. I don’t know how you can defend that. You can’t just pick and choose which laws you want to follow, well you can but you can’t be that upset when you get caught.
I do have to agree with everyone here though, 10 years and $500,000 that is ridiculous!
[quote]Also makes perfect sense that you would honor that great humanitarian and defender of Europe and its ideals, Joseph Stalin.
(You responded: “In case you might want to know, it was the Soviet Union who suffered by far the highest amount of casualties in WWII on the allied side, as well as killed the most Germans.”)[/quote]
I didn’t honour him, or even mention his name.
All I did was state the truth. The Soviet Union killed most of the Germans.
[quote]You can spout off stats and percentages all day long does that make it true? Nope. Show some credible evidence when you make absolutely ridiculous statements that you try to pass off as truth![/quote]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:WorldWarII-MilitaryDeaths-Allies-Piechart.png
Casualities ^
http://web.jjay.cuny.edu/~jobrien/reference/ob62.html
^ “It may fairly be said that in “bleeding the German army white” the Soviet Union made the greatest contribution to the defeat of Nazi Germany.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_%28World_War_II%29#casualties
[quote]As for the soviet union, they were fighting to protect there own country. They didn’t invade France to save the French people! We did![/quote]
Remember Pearl Harbour?
[quote]And you can best believe that we would do it again if it were to happen again (God Forbid).That is not self righteous that is the truth.[/quote]
I wouldn’t be surprised if in the next world war it was America that started it, with their gallavanting off into foreign lands to fight the evil foreigners.
[quote]Sorry for the repost and sorry for being off topic I just can’t stand ignorant American bashing. [/quote]
It’s not ignorant… But if you don’t want your country to be “bashed”, make sure your country doesn’t do bad things around the world.
You can’t terrorize the world without getting criticized.
LOL, hey Adam, I know why you bring up WWII – because it was pretty much the last time you Americans did something right. And for the right reasons, mind you. But if you’re serious that “we” did invade France to save the French people, you must be well over 80 years by now …
Respect for not caving in to age and dementia, then.
to: $000,000,000, #164 Nov 18, 2007 at 20:31
I assume that you are responding to my post. Hey, I hear you, and I listen too. I know that people need more that bread and water to thrive; people need intellectual stimulation.
for #169:
Maybe your world is too small for your mouth.
Maybe you should come over to the US and live here for a while, and then go back to Europe and complain. I think you’ll find that we Americans are among the most liberal peoples in the world. We are not dead behind the eyes.
Lord Browne, the now former (disgraced) boss of BP suffered no penalty when 15 workers died in a blast at Galveston, Texas.
This bloke gets up to 10 years.
Shurley shume mishtake?
[quote comment="216372"][quote comment="216315"]
We’re not taking away anything. Were copying and sharing.[/quote]
Believe me if this was affecting your income you would look at it differently[/quote]
Actually no, he wouldn’t. FYI: There are people who do not make themselves dependant on their income from such ludicrously skewed schemes as asking for money to copy files in a digital environment. Some people have brains, my friend.
Were the Usernames these guys used to upload named?
I didn’t go through all the comments btw, just a bunch of bickering, it was getting annoying.
Bwahaha, #171:
Europeans hating on America is a joke. America should have saved Jews and left the rest of you to your Vichy French fascists, Franco fascists and all your other Eurofascists and SS lovers.
You smug, insignificant, pathetic Europeans drone about “Corporate America, Inc.”, but the fact is you prefer fascism over democratic ideals every day of the week. You’d be saluting “Heil Hitler”, IN GERMAN, if Americans hadn’t come to save your sorry rear-ends.
With the fall of your buddies in the Soviet Union, America could be ruling Europe with an iron fist like ancient Rome, and there would be nothing you could do to stop us. The only reason we don’t rule you is the greatness of our nation and our people, unlike any other superpower in world history.
Get over your insecurities, inferiority complex and BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome) pathologies.
(#4: “America is one nasty country to live in. Evil… pure evil this is. Thank god I don’t live in there.”
# 9: “What would that chimp Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Co get then if they were brought to the court for crime against humanity? I just can’t take that scummy American way of whatever you might want to call it anymore. Stay away from the rest of the world ffs!”
#23: “America is a ***** up country. That’s for sure.”
#65: “U.S.A is the axis if evil now days”
#31: “another reason why we should nuke usa and no im not a muslim”
#142: “America makes people want to attack it and its allies.”
#171: “hey Adam, I know why you bring up WWII – because it was pretty much the last time you Americans did something right.”)
The rhetoric has confused me. But I’ll say this:
The inhabitants of the United States are not the ultimate cause of the world’s problems. I doubt that Europe and Asia can teach us much about civilization. Over the centuries, you’ve killed many many many many millions of people over there, and we haven’t done that here yet. We’re trying to avoid the mistakes that you have made.
[quote]You smug, insignificant, pathetic Europeans drone about “Corporate America, Inc.”, but the fact is you prefer fascism over democratic ideals every day of the week.[/quote]
You’re saying it’s a fact that I prefer fascism over “democratic ideals”?
Congratulations, you’ve lost the credibility you didn’t have in the first place when you lie. I’m an anarchist and deeply opposed to the American fascist government.
[quote]You’d be saluting “Heil Hitler”, IN GERMAN, if Americans hadn’t come to save your sorry rear-ends.[/quote]
It was the Soviets who did most of the German killing in WWII. Look it up sometime, or are you one of those Americans who thought they were the only one on the allied side in WWII?
[quote]With the fall of your buddies in the Soviet Union, [/quote]
When your pathetic rhetoric fails, turn to calling everyone else “evil commie mexican immigrant terrorist muslim europeans” :D
[quote]America could be ruling Europe with an iron fist like ancient Rome, and there would be nothing you could do to stop us.[/quote]
There’s no way you could do that if you tried.
[quote]The only reason we don’t rule you is the greatness of our nation and our people, unlike any other superpower in world history.[/quote]
Ahh, you’re a nationalistic idiot also :D
*cough* fascist *cough*
I am indeed very happy I don’t have to live in the land of fascism and imperialism that is America.
Why do Americans hate freedom? Because they can’t profit off it ;D
Mr. Hah, have you lived in the US? Do you speak from experience or ignorance?
Why do Americans hate freedom? Because they can’t profit off it
^^– That quote is awesome. I must make a t-shirt with that on it.
Ok.. So, would he then have been better off, just going to speilbergs house and steeling the actual film itself and raping his daughter while his at it.
MEMO
TO: Hah
FROM: United States of America
RE: “There’s no way you could do that if you tried.”
If you doubt whether the USA could take control of Europe with an “iron fist” in a wink, if it so chose, consider the following:
One Trident nuclear warhead packs 100,000 tons of explosive force. One Trident sub missile can carry up to 8 nuclear warheads. One U.S. sub can carry 24 Trident missiles. A couple dozen U.S. subs can launch over 4,000 nuclear warheads. All the USA would have to do is pick a date and hour, and Europe’s biggest 4,000 villages would be demolished in about one hour, quickly solving Europe’s big, bad capitalist problems for you and your anarchist soulmates. Of course, like WWII, 1 or 2 warheads would probably suffice, particularly for the French surrender monkeys.
BTW, there’s nothing, nothing you could do to stop this. What little military/nuclear might that Europe possesses (before it disarms) would be easily destroyed. The fact that you are living is simply due to the sheer goodwill of the United States of America, and for no other good reason.
With nuclear sub missiles, we wouldn’t even need to step foot on European soil.
If, on the other hand, the Soviet Union had not collapsed and was the only remaining superpower, rest assured that you would be cooking borsh or serving vodka for your Gulag masters, rather than writing anti-American missives and anarchism.
You should count your lucky stars that the USA is not a Soviet Union, otherwise you wouldn’t be using the Internet to buy james’ t-shirt.
LOL .. yeah right, US wouldn’t stand a chance against the sleeping giant of China. You think they’d put up with American shit.
[quote comment="217368"]You should count your lucky stars that the USA is not a Soviet Union, otherwise you wouldn’t be using the Internet to buy james’ t-shirt.[/quote]
Definitely the best quote in a long time, and so true at the same time.
Eurofascist,
your speeches about america, and against europe, are valid in that they show an opinion that no country escapes having flaws;
however, you are promoting your viewpoint so aggressively that it’s coming across as a Stephen Colbert-esque viewpoint, ie one which attempts to ridicule the victim, by posing as the victim and making aggressive, irrational, and outright obnoxious statements.
And this uploader? Yes, he broke the law. No, not all written laws are higher than the “spirit of the law”.
Yes, he and all other uploaders are something of heroes in the nonviolent opposition of short-sighted pseudo-capitalist greed. No, it is not a triumph that our only significant alternative is to commit immoral acts of theft, and deprivation to legitimate creators.
Finally, odds are zero that any normal uploader would receive the full prison sentence; because this guy is ~symbolic, he _might_ be made an example of, and c’mon, that’s legit!
I highly doubt that 20,000 highschool kids who upload a favorite album/movie or so are also going to be receiving the max fine!
So, let’s see… at $20,000 (mininum) per year for jail time, for 10 years is $200,000 and those numbers are way old, like 5 years!, so, you take THAT, plus all the time the FBI has spent, plus all the money spent that could have been better spent on other things… This is starting to like the drug policy folly – Lord help us all!
I guess it helps to have low friends in high places.
Please, Jules, China wouldn’t stand a chance against an American land, sea, air nuclear attack. The Chinese could retaliate with lead-painted Barbie dolls to cause harm to US.
Obviously, the disease of anti-Americanism is causing senility in Europeans, who whistfully hope for the freedom-loving Chinese goverment to protect them from America.
Pretty pathetic, Jules.
Crimson, when fanatical, anti-American hatred is the standard fare across Europe, it is clear that the continent has lost its way and collective minds.
When Europeans are so blinded with rage against a people who sacrificed so much life, limb and treasure for the safety and security of Europeans, it must be called out.
The mere argument about uploading bits of data can unleash the most venemous, virulent and obnoxious anti-American garbage that Europeans can write.
If it were not for America, Europeans wouldn’t have an Internet on which to bash it.
So, the greed of the corporations has turned this into america vs. the world.
I wouldn’t say I hate americans, but something has to be done within the country to fix the system. It’s just wrong.
And talking about nuclear war is just plain stupid. No-one can win a nuclear war and you all know it.
[quote comment="216274"][quote comment="216209"]
Spyware is spyware whether it states it does so and why or not. This is exactly the attitude that is wrong with closed software.
Perhaps you need to read my post again. What exactly has giving software away for free has to do with giving ALL your *products* away for free? That’s not what I claimed, go twist someone else’s words.
In most cases piracy isn’t eating away at anything, a downloaded copy does NOT equal a lost sale. You’re just being an ignorant cry baby.[/quote]
S: (n) spyware (computer software that obtains information from a user’s computer without the user’s knowledge or consent)
You’re continuing to completely miss the point here. I put the code in for one reason and one reason only, to get statistics on legal vs non-legal copies. Had I done this without full disclosure, yes it would have been ’spyware’.
Ok, so I read your post again. You write “Now isn’t it funny that there are loads of people (whole companies even) giving their software away for free and still make a pretty decent living off it?” – I’ll let people decide for themselves who’s the bigger idiot here. But you do come off sounding like some ignorant open-source everything hypocrite. And you definitely suggested that there are companies out there that gives away [all of their] software for free and still makes a pretty penny.
I do give away some applications for free, I charge for others. I open source some and I keep the source very secure in others. These are all conscious decicions with a lot of thought and method behind them.
At the end of the day I have to put petrol in my cars, put food on the table, pay bills and whatnot – these things are not free you know (or perhaps you don’t because your parents are still paying your way?).
If I make my money by selling MY intellectual property, either by way of a closed source secure application, open source community driven application or by me providing hourly consultations does not really make a difference here – we’re still trading in IP and the same goes for those knight-on-a-white-horse companies you mentioned above.
I’ll agree that in SOME cases piracy has no detrimental effect, but to say that in MOST cases it does not is just plain ignorant. In this case I have a DB full of proof that it obviously has had a negative impact on my earnings – with some 2852 users continually using my product without actually purchasing a (very affordable) license. Like I stated already (in my original post) though, all of those does not equal a lost sale, but some most certainly do (and yes, some have started out using the pirated version and later purchased a license – even though there are no-limit trial versions available for download).
As for being a cry baby, you think what you want, but calling me that after reading my posts clearly shows your lack of comprehension of the english language. I have in no sense of the word ‘cried’ about my lost revenue, I was simply pointing out that the good old defence “It’s a victimless crime” does not really apply.
Now, getting back to the issue at hand; I find it interesting how no-one has picked up on the fact that one of the charges against An Duc Do were “for the purpose of private financial gain, infringed the copyright of of a copyrighted work by distributing” – are you all OK with something like this? It’s one thing to share files, it’s a completely other to actively try to better your financial status by means of copyright infringement.[/quote]
First of all, end users don’t read EULAs so I’m willing to bet 99% aren’t aware of being spied uppon by you at all. (Where can we find this EULA BTW?)
Second of all, why not put in a mechanism to deactivate their unlicensed copy, then you’ll find out that none of them are willing cough up the cash.
Now if all of your users became aware of you spying tactics I’m willing to bet even most of those paying users won’t even continue to use it.
Thirdly, there are loads of companies that give away all their software for free. Yes I said *software*, not *products* as what you tried to twist my words into in your previous reply. And just FYI I use opensource exclusively, and not just to avoid crappy spyware from dickheads like yourself.
As for the rest of your nonsense, I can’t even be bothered to adress it. So why don’t you just dry your tears and get a real job instead?
For all you flagwaving Americans going on about the second world war:
Please do have a look at what your “I.G. Farben”, “U.S. Standard Oil” and “Union Banking Corporation” did in that war. And let’s not forget about your “Operation Gladio” afterwards.
Then you can come explain to us what we Europeans have to thank you for…
Eurofascist, I’ll give you that, you manage perfectly to come across as the embodiement of the proverbial American superiority complex and the nationalist delusions that come with it, a stance that has greatly helped to put your country where it is today in the world. Also, the mere fact you have to resort to its nuclear arsenal to get your point across speaks for itself.
But what is this pathetic point you’re fussing about, anyway? That America doesn’t rule the world by force, even though you could, because you’re way too nice and gentle for that? Dang, you must have a real small dick there, mate.
And by the way you’re takling, you couldn’t tell patriotism (love for ones own country)from a fascism (believing ones own country is superior to all others and has the natural right to rule over them), even if the latter jumped in your face and bit your nose off, if that hasn’t happened already.
A nation is just an invention of the human mind. A unit of organization.
Those who ascribe any more significance to a nation than that are silly.
There is no such thing as an “American”. There is no such thing as a “Frenchman”.
There are people who happen to live in America, and there are people who happen to live in France.
Now, political LEADERSHIP of a given nation, that is a different story.
And I would argue that human leadership has, by and large, sucked hardcore throughout history and across cultures and continents.
America has crap leadership presently. So do a lot of other nations in the world.
U know.. we shouldn’t be fighting like this. We should all unite as people who love P2P.
In that case, then we need to show the corrupt government that we won’t tollerate people being treated like this. Whether in America or China or wherever.
People should have a say in what the government does and the laws it inacts, not corporations.
The beauty of the internet is that we can unite like this.
Think about it.
#191, European Ignorance is bliss:
I’ll take a look at your pitiful attack on our gracious service to
humanity to save you Europeans from yourselves (again), after you take
a walk around the graves of the 400,000+ Americans who willingly gave up their lives for you and your progeny.
You’re comment is a great reason why we should have left you to your
SS benefactors so you could happily serve the German-Nazi corporate
empire.
There’s a real sickness in Europe and your love of fascism is at its heart.
#192, Bwahaha:
It is ONLY because a benevolent USA does NOT insist on a “natural right to rule” over Europeans that you live freely to spout off your vitriolics. We have the military and economic might to rule Europe, and to do so, with ease. Were they the sole world superpower, neither the Nazis or Soviets or Chinese Communists would give you a lick about Europe, other than to enslave your sorry rear-ends.
#193,slats:
America is more than a parcel of land, but an idea and ideal. Read the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. People are literally dying trying to get into this country because of that (easy to say, being half-Mexican). People aren’t dying trying to get into Denmark, France, Belgium or Russia.
[quote comment="215923"]I’m just curious what application Bittrucker is responsible for so I know to A) Not pay for it and B) Download a pirated copy of it for free if I already haven’t done so.
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lol
I started to read the comments expecting a 20 or so count… then as my middle finger became fatigued at scrolling i used page down… then after 3 minutes of scrolling I arrived at this lame comment 8) :idea: :arrow: :mrgreen: :roll: :evil: :cry: :!: :?: 8O :x :|
The majority here should stand together as P2P mates….like it or not we’re all in this together, united, regardless of country, culture ETC…the fact that a mate of ours is going to be spending some pretty harsh time in jail for a white collar offense is terrible, and a travesty of justice. I am going to try and write my congressman here in the states. I don’t know if it will do any good, but at least I am trying to make a difference. Everyone can make a difference in some way by keeping a positive outlook. I’m serious.
Maybe we should lock up librarians for sharing movies…oh no! They share books and music too don’t they! OH GEEZ! SOME DO SOMETHING!!!
[quote comment="217486"]Maybe we should lock up librarians for sharing movies…oh no! They share books and music too don’t they! OH GEEZ! SOME DO SOMETHING!!![/quote]
Fucking Truth.
#198, wheres the thread going?:
A fine thought to write your congressman. But, you better hope he or she is Republican. Obviously, the Democratic party is in lockstep with Hollyweird.
But, also read the comments from the 11/5/07 London Financial Times (post #155) showing that the Democrats are the party of left-wing Billionaires and megamillionaires.
George Soros (he’s not even an American), Warren Buffet, Donald Trump, the Yahoo bunch, the Google bunch, and the rest of these super-rich dudes are bankrolling the Dems. Not to mention that all of the Dems in the U.S. Senate are multi-millionaires too.
Hello Loser hows it going in prison. I bet you will love our prison guards raping the **** outta you while the rest wanna Kill you.
Hahaha That’s what you get for messing with My Corporate America, u *******, hahaha I know goto Gunatamo Bay u son of a *****.
hahaha I love cussing and making you feel miserable, cause that’s a presidents job, in fact the voting systems are rigged so you will never get rid of me unless I got a stroke which will happen in 2065 then I’ll let Hilary Clinton take over my job and then my lovely bondage-loving daughters and they will really torture prisoners.
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This anti-american stuff has gone a little too far, its out of context, and I’m an anti-american in some sense of the word living in america at the moment. I’m primarily an Australian and can tell you that the anti-american sentiment is felt world-wide, and mostly, for me at least, because of the attitudes reflected by those americans on here rebutting anti-american sentiment with a blind, arrogant patriotism and nationalistic extremism that confronts and offends people. Second to that comes American international policy, and thirdly they way that Americans seem to “forget” or ignore the facts in history that their “greatness” as a nation only comes at the expense of others. Their wealth today only comes from the expense of others. But americans choose to see only the “good” they’re doing bringing democracy to the world … hahaha, yeah right. They’d do well to find a real democracy here, on their home turf first. This country and democracy DO NOT MIX yet … forget terrorism guys, the biggest threat to American life at the moment is the Religious Right intent on converting the US to a THEOCRACY, and then the world to Christianity one muslim/jew/buddhist/hindu/athiest/whatever at a time! USA … the land of the free??? Please … forget it, America takes away more freedom on its own shores and abroad than it gives. FACT. And any giving they do is conditional.
BUT …
there’s good people in America too. I’ve met them, I promise its true. People who believe in true democracy, freedom, equality, multicultural tolerance and all the things this world needs so much.
Anyways, to continue … enough talk about past, present and future wars, they’re all bad, no one wins, and just for the record, the world could’ve lived without the USA interfeering, things always work out, it just happens that the USA had the means and initiative to police the world. doesn’t make it always right, it just is, but I hate that assumption that everyone should bow down because they did it. WRONG WRONG WRONG.
Another thing that’s wrong … the banning and criminalization of file sharing. But that’s another story :P
I would just like to say i have spent sometime in China and Russia and you can go in to shops all over these countries and get pirated material. Vista 1pound, Photoshop CS3 50pence!!!!
America needs to stop hunting down and persecuting its own people for file sharing when the rest of the world gets this shit for basically free.
They have lost the copyright battle but just haven’t realized it yet.
Well Yankees …
When are you going to start a war against that bloody RIAA ?
Thats a war that REALLY can be won.
Time to show us your skills !
Need help ? P2PISHERETOSTAY@LIVE.NL
@196, Anonymous:
Great, just what we needed, another deluded American Neofascist, accusing others of his own attitude. And again, only reason types like you always bring up WWII is that it was on this rare occasion that America really did something useful for the world. But okay, I have some time to waste and also like bashing idiots every now and then, so let’s take a closer view at all the nonsense you spouted:
“I’ll take a look at your pitiful attack on our gracious service to
humanity to save you Europeans from yourselves (again), after you take
a walk around the graves of the 400,000+ Americans who willingly gave up their lives for you and your progeny. You’re comment is a great reason why we should have left you to your SS benefactors so you could happily serve the German-Nazi corporate empire. There’s a real sickness in Europe and your love of fascism is at its heart.”
When you say “Nazi corporate Empire”, are you referring to the same Nazi corporate Empire that helped one Prescott Bush to make just enough money so his family could get its next two generations elected as your presidents? And anyway, where was this “gracious service to humanity” when it comes to, let’s say, the Native American tribes or slavery? Where was it back in Vietnam where you dropped Napalm on women and children? Or in the massive Black Op that was nicked “Operation Gladio” and aimed at toppling democratically elected leaders like Salvaldor Allende, installing “good” fascists, fanatics and dictators in their place all over the world (Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden being only two of them), to fight “bad” communism? Try adding up the 400.000 dead Americans from WWII with all the innocent civilians that have died in various US-fuelled silent wars and substitute conflicts all over the world since then, and you’ll soon get to hang your head in shame for “God’s own Country” as you oh-so arrogantly put it. So, who’s the “lover of fascists” now? Yeah, right, but it gets worse:
“It is ONLY because a benevolent USA does NOT insist on a “natural right to rule” over Europeans that you live freely to spout off your vitriolics. We have the military and economic might to rule Europe, and to do so, with ease. Were they the sole world superpower, neither the Nazis or Soviets or Chinese Communists would give you a lick about Europe, other than to enslave your sorry rear-ends.”
Geez, if that isn’t the most ridiculous piece of smear only a truly deluded fascist could write! And more so, it’s still written in that same ol’ Goebbles tongue-in-cheek style: “We=benevolent and gracious; They=vitriolic and pitiful” But for a reality check (which you might need at this point), if you really think your country has “the military and economic might to rule Europe, and to do so, with ease”, just try and do some ruling in Iraq for starters, okay?
Not?
Well, I see, it’s a tough sport, with all this ruling and deciding, when these stupid iraqis happen to disagree. They really don’t know what’s good for them, but then again, maybe it’s only the language barrier, so best make sure the general population understands some basic english, (like “No, that’s our Oil, you just happen to live here”) next time you invade anything. ;-)
And wait, don’t zone out yet, there’s still more to come:
“America is more than a parcel of land, but an idea and ideal. Read the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. People are literally dying trying to get into this country because of that (easy to say, being half-Mexican). People aren’t dying trying to get into Denmark, France, Belgium or Russia.”
Yeah, I’ve heard that crap before. And you’re right that once upon a time in a galaxy far far away there was an idea and ideals behind the foundation of America, but since then you have given it all up while handing over your foreign politics to the CIA, your economics and welfare system to the NeoCons and your freedom to the patriot act, the most unpatriotic and paranoid law ever to emerge out of a democracy since Hitlers Ermaechtigungsgesetz. And above all, you still try to debunk global warming as a myth, only because you fear it might get into the way of your business interests. I repeat, no freedom at home, no protection of natural resources, environment, civil liberties or your own working poor, no health care except for the rich, but lots of international undercover warfare to forward your own goals, invasive actions and torture in spite of international laws – that’s a really piss-poor and blood-smeared summary for your country since WWII, don’t you think?
And it might surprise you that I’ve actually read the declaration of Independence AND enough of your Constitution to notice that you’ve recently re-elected (?) a government that’s raping the bloody shit out of the ideals written down in this very documents. Now, I understand that it must be pretty hard for you to impeach somebody over lying about his reasons for war or violating the Geneva conventions with torture on a regular basis, let alone his bloody incompetence with anything remotely resembling politics, but maybe he’s hiding a semen-stained blue dress somewhere, and then it would be all easy again, right?
Okay, that’s pretty much all I had to say in a nutshell for you. Now you have two of them, second being the one your parents raised you in. But as one last token of your unmatched nationalistic ignorance, just let me state bluntly that your answer gives away that you actually didn’t catch anything slats was trying to tell you and your Nazi brethren in comment #194, so please don’t read that again. You might really learn something, and you don’t want some unwelcome truth to spoil your precious opinions, do you?
that sucks man
u rape a girl u get 3 yr impirsonment
and u upload some movie u get 10 years
it s equivalent to raping 3 girls
that really sucks
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WHETHER YOU COPY OR STEAL, THE FACT REMAINS THE SAME, there is a financial loss from copying, and there is a financial loss from stealing, the fact they are different physically or methodically is irrelevant.
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Under that logic, every book you have borrowed from the library or a friend has created a loss for its author and publisher.
You can extend that to any idea you have ever repeated: Every joke you have retold. Every bit of knowledge you have ever used. For everything you should pay to use it.
There is a massive difference between not giving somebody a financial gain and stealing.
However, I agree on one point – that what we are talking about here is illegal in many countries.
But that doesn’t make those laws good.
@ Bwahaha!Quote Bwahaha!
Vaggina, See above, line one.
Bickering on this comments board plays into the hands of the MPAA and RIAA. I would expect that they pay people to provoke it. It stops us from discussing the issues and uniting.
@ bollywood
As may have been mentioned before, the 10 year sentence is the absolute maximum, and it is unlikely that he will serve that much time.
According to this document published by the Bureau of Justice Statistics the average sentence for rape is much longer than 3 years.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/soo.pdf
“For rape defendants sentenced to
prison, the average term imposed was
164 months, or just under 14 years (Page 14).”
@ All the people comparing this to rape.
Instead of arguing the average sentence (it is between 11yr and 14yr according to conflicting stats from doj) think that you are comparing this to the WORST act, short of murder, a human being can commit.
It would be more logical to compare this to the enron convictions (avg under 5yrs http://www.chron.com/news/specials/enron/)
And consider the financial losses of the two, Billions of dollars of real money of real people(obviously enron) Vs Little to no real provable money loss by a faceless corporation.
For those that equate this to stealing, think about it like this, You buy the movie, watch it, don’t like it and decide to sell it on ebay (which you legally CAN’T as now you dont really own the movie just the right to watch it and its non transferrable … but it digress) (ie: you seed it to 1.0) the person you then sold that movie on ebay makes 100 copies and sells them and so on down the chain … are YOU liable for those 100.000.000 copies ? or just the first, if any ?
I am also a software developer, and have “suffered” (tho not much) to piracy, and have lost time thinking and coding up licensing and validation schemes that had nothing to do with my app. But i would never view it at stealing, every pirated copy of my stuff in the wild is for me, not a loss, but someone who likes what i did, just not enough to pay for it. And if i make an effort to make an affordable worthwhile product they will buy it (if they can afford it). But that’s just me as far as i can see.
Finally someone else found the Rape Sentencing statistics from the DOJ.
In your face Mr. Anonymous (posts 29 and 39).
the Sun Sword!: Did you have to train long to become that stupid, or were you just born that way?
Tux: The fact that people do not read EULAs really isn’t my problem. That’s like buying a house without first inspecting it. Anyhoo, in addition to being written in the EULA it was also stated on the product download page as well as the support forums in very clear text.
Again you amaze me with your ignorance. I haven’t been “crying” about lost revenue, hence I will not deactivate the pirate copies out there (although I easily could, by blocking those “fingerprints”).
You have completely missed the point (time and time again) I was originally making, which was this “Piracy does cause a loss of business”.
I don’t really have a problem with the pirated versions out there, I was merely pointing out the fact that if even ONE of those people now running it as a pirate would have paid for a license, I _have_ lost revenue. As for none of them willing to cough up the cash – what the hell do you know? Again, running the stats, there are around 50 users who started out with a pirated copy and have since purchased a license.
The users who are not aware of “my spying tactics” are either illiterate (like yourself) or complete morons (again, very much like yourself) as you really can’t miss the fact it’s doing so. Even listed as a “feature” on the product page.
Finally, pull that penguin out your ass and stop posting rubbish.
You know there’s something wrong with the country when someone gets 24 hours in jail and three years probation for driving while drunk AND having cocaine (www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/11/19/tyson.sentenced.ap/index.html), and you get 10 years and $500,000 fine for illegally uploading a movie. MPAA and RIAA: GO F*CK YOURSELVES.
[quote comment="217475"]#191, European Ignorance is bliss:
I’ll take a look at your pitiful attack on our gracious service to
humanity to save you Europeans from yourselves (again), after you take
a walk around the graves of the 400,000+ Americans who willingly gave up their lives for you and your progeny.
You’re comment is a great reason why we should have left you to your
SS benefactors so you could happily serve the German-Nazi corporate
empire.
There’s a real sickness in Europe and your love of fascism is at its heart.
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Well I have already done that. Can you now look at your fine corporations that were sponsoring and selling war materials to the nazis? Not to mention that terrorist network your secret services set up afterwards.
I didn’t think so either. It’s people like you that are pissing on those graves with their disgraceful hypocrisy.
This thread has made me angry, and made me laugh, and made me think too.
Aside from the simplistic ‘Fuck-you’, the thoughtful extremism of the comments tells me that this thing called the internet exposes how truly ignorant we are about each other, about what and why another person/nation thinks, and about how we live or can’t live together.
May the ‘better’ cultures win!
But if I met you on the street, with guns, knives, or sticks in our hands, then I hope we’d have enough sense to talk first, instead of casually brutalizing each other.
#207, Bwahaha; #216, European Ignorance is bliss:
How dare you Europeans attack America!
Before you smug, arrogant European hypocrites drone on about GW, Cheney and Rumsfeld and crimes against humanity, keep this in mind:
Since you Europeans first learned to read and write you’ve perfected RAPE, TORTURE, and KILLING of HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of your fellow human beings! Not one of your countries escapes complicity in barbarism.
How can anyone doubt that Europe has been a constant threat to PEACE? – chew on a tiny list of your human achievements:
1. In the 1950s and 60s, France (after signing the Geneva Conventions), used its Algerian colonialism to brutally torture, rape and murder 500,000+ Algerians; that was shortly after the great Frenchman Papon and his buddies deported some 76,000+ Jews to Germany (virtually all were exterminated);
2. The British perfected the European tool of starvation and military occupation long before the “Great” famine in Ireland (which killed 1,000,000 Irish men, women and children), and has ruled with an iron fist for centuries; by the 1950s Britain honed these skills to operate Gulags to enforce its African colonialism by brutally raping, torturing and starving Kenyan men, women and children, with more than 100,000+ Africans dead;
3. Europeans caused WWI, which led to the deaths of some 15,000,000 lives;
4. Europeans, led by your Adolf Hitler, caused WWII, which led to the deaths of some 50,000,000 human lives; he proved his European bona fides by exterminating Jews, using Gulags, murders, torture and massacre of some 6,000,000+ human lives;
6. Joseph Stalin, another hero of anti-Americans, enjoyed the pleasure
of Gulags, executions and torture, to the tune of some 20,000,000+ human lives. Of course, he learned well from Ivan the Terrible, who killed a mere 100,000 human beings;
7. Mussolini, another great European, killed some 250,000+ human lives;
8. Yugoslavia, murdered another 500,000+ human lives;
9. Romania, used its own Gulags to murder another 500,000+ human lives;
10. Europeans love killing so much, you did it for a Hundred Years straight!
You Europeans gave up any moral right to attack America, which, in the main, has served humanity far better than Europe, given its ability to rape, torture and kill your fellow human beings.
We don’t hold a candle to Europeans if one man goes to jail for stealing some movies.
[quote comment="218506"]#207, Bwahaha; #216, European Ignorance is bliss:
How dare you Europeans attack America!
blah blah …
10. Europeans love killing so much, you did it for a Hundred Years straight!
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As off topic as your post is (as the ones it makes reference to) for someone who knows that much about massacres, surely you considered that yes there was a war between France and England that lasted 116 years, which was really 3 or 4 different wars close together… but due to the years that this took place (before 1492), most of US’s ancestors FOUGHT in that war …
Before you go bad-mouthing a whole continent of people, if you are white or latino there is a 99% chance are your grandfather or great-grandfather was european.
Anyway, this “piracy” thing where the only thing stolen is the watching of someone else’s work (just like sneaking into a cinema), or facilitating that watching by a 3rd party (just like holding the emergency exit door open for a friend at that same cinema) is being blown out of proportion all over the world, sadly not exclusively in the US.
@ 218, Amer …ehm, Eurofascists:
Aw, thanks man, you just opened my eyes there. Surely, the past violent history of European countries gives America every right to presently corrupt, torture and wage war on the rest of the world, because we all know you can’t stand being last in line, and since your country’s violence has only a history of some 200 years (although you made some really good us of these, body-count wise), you sure have a lot of catching up to do. Geez, it must really hurt your national pride to be 1800 years behind everybody else. And we don’t expect you to learn from World History (after all, you never were a part of it, because everybody knows your ancestors all immigrated to America from the realms of faerie), so you’re free to smear yourself with blood and guts whenever you want to.
Moreover, since America currently is the worlds greatest Weapons supplier and we also know that a huge part of your shaky economy depends on that, we have nothing against you carrying on with selling genuinely engineered death throughout the world. After all, we already had our fun with bloodshed and war profiteering in the last couple centurys, and why should you be affected by that in any way, when you just discovered how necessary concentration camps can be?
So thanks again for being a shining example for us all. Hitler and Stalin will be proud of you, as will Attila the hun, Pol Pot, Charles Manson, three generations of the Bush family and all other deranged and criminally insane.
#220, Bwhaha:
1. BODY COUNT. let’s skip the poor souls tortured and murdered by Europeans in the 1,900 years of Euro history before WWI —- you could line up the 100,000,000+ human beings killed as a result of Europeans in the past 90 years of America’s existence and their bodies would circle the planet 5 times or reach halfway to the MOON! You Europeans have been no different in the past 90 years than you were in the previous 1,900 years.
2. GUANTANAMO BAY. While the French, British, Germans, Russians, Italians, Romanians, etc. were torturing and maiming untold millions of human beings, did any other their captors hire lawyers to beg and plead to stay with their captors?:
Associated Press, 8/7/07:
“This was supposed to be the moment Ahmed Bel Bacha was waiting for — the end of his five years in prison at Guantanamo Bay. Instead, the Algerian is fighting to stay put rather than return home. Bel Bacha, reportedly slated to leave Guantanamo Bay soon along with three of his countrymen, fears he will be tortured back in Algeria, a country he had already fled once before to seek asylum in Britain, his lawyers say. And so lawyers for the 38-year-old former hotel cleaner have been waging an 11th-hour attempt to keep him temporarily at Guantanamo while looking for another country to give him political asylum. Bel Bacha — captured in Pakistan and deemed an enemy combatant by the U.S. — is not alone in his fears. Human rights groups say at least two dozen Guantanamo detainees — including many from the North African countries of Libya, Algeria and Tunisia — are afraid they will face abuse upon returning home.”
The terrorists own lawyers are putting the lie to the “torture” their clients receive from America.
Makes sense these terrorists would rather stay under American control, given the real “torture” they might receive elsewhere (May 15, 2007 news report):
“An accused enemy combatant held at Guantanamo Bay told a military hearing he was physically as well as mentally tortured there by having to read a newsletter full of ‘crap,’ being forced to use unscented deodorant and shampoo and having to play sports with a ball that would not bounce. Majid Khan of Pakistan denied any connection to Al Qaeda and said he was tortured and his family hounded by U.S. authorities, according to a redacted transcript released Tuesday by the Pentagon. Khan told an April 15 hearing called to determine whether he was rightly classified as an “enemy combatant” that he also had his baby pictures taken from him, that cleaners left marks on his cell walls and that detainees have no DVD players or other entertainment. At one point, Kan said he wrote on his walls, ’stop torturing me, I need my mails, newspaper and my lawyer.’”
Sounds like this terrorist would consider himself tortured because he couldn’t upload Star Wars III!
A New York journalist who visited Guantanamo Bay last year wrote:
“The high-minded critics who complain about torture are wrong. We are far too soft on these guys – and, as a result, aren’t getting the valuable intelligence we need to save American lives.
The politically correct regulations are unbelievable. Detainees are entitled to a full eight hours sleep and can’t be woken up for interrogations. They enjoy three meals and five prayers per day, without interruption. They are entitled to a minimum of two hours of outdoor recreation per day.
Interrogations are limited to four hours, usually running two – and (of course) are interrupted for prayers. One interrogator actually bakes cookies for detainees, while another serves them Subway or McDonald’s sandwiches. Both are available on base. (Filet o’ Fish is an al Qaeda favorite.)
Interrogations are not video or audio taped, perhaps to preserve detainee privacy.
Call it excessive compassion by a nation devoted to therapy, but it’s dangerous. Adm. Harris admitted to me that a multi-cell al Qaeda network has developed in the camp. Military intelligence can’t yet identify their leaders, but notes that they have cells for monitoring the movements and identities of guards and doctors, cells dedicated to training, others for making weapons and so on.
And they can make weapons from almost anything. Guards have been attacked with springs taken from inside faucets, broken fluorescent light bulbs and fan blades. Some are more elaborate. “These folks are MacGyvers,” Harris said.
Other cells pass messages from leaders in one camp to followers in others. How? Detainees use the envelopes sent to them by their attorneys to pass messages. (Some 1,000 lawyers represent 440 prisoners, all on a pro bono basis, with more than 18,500 letters in and out of Gitmo in the past year.) Guards are not allowed to look inside these envelopes because of “attorney-client privilege” – even if they know the document inside is an Arabic-language note written by a prisoner to another prisoner and not a letter to or from a lawyer.
That’s right: Accidentally or not, American lawyers are helping al Qaeda prisoners continue to plot.
There is little doubt what this note-passing and weapons-making is used for. The military recorded 3,232 incidents of detainee misconduct from July 2005 to August 2006 – an average of more than eight incidents per day. Some are nonviolent, but the tally includes coordinated attacks involving everything from throwing bodily fluids on guards (432 times) to 90 stabbings with homemade knives.
One detainee slashed a doctor who was trying to save his life; the doctors wear body armor to treat their patients. ”
Europeans are the last ones who should be lecturing America on “torture”.
Now that we’ve tackled the world’s problem of smug, arrogant, ignorant anti-Americans, some of you guys need a reality check:
THIS GUY WON’T SERVE 10 YEARS IN PRISON!
Apparently, none of you bright anti-Americans bothered to look at the hyperlinks in the article. One of these uploaders is getting 5 months in prison and 5 months of home detention and a $3K fine. Another guy got pretty much the same deal to sing.
You gotta realize that American prosecutors use the leverage of these penalties to extract plea agreements to avoid going to court. 90% or more of cases get plea bargained away, otherwise the court system would grind to a halt.
2nd, American judges have guidelines to use for sentencing and aren’t always inclined to go with the max, especially the libs on the court.
3rd, there is no truth in sentencing law in America – guys getting life imprisonment get released for good behavior or parole, for example. It’s not normal that ANY criminal will serve his complete sentence.
Will prosecutors make an example of the ringleader? Of course. But, he still won’t serve 10 years!
1) Mr. Do will not be going to jail for 10 years. Read the article again, he “faces” 10 years, which means that is the maximum penalty for the crimes he pleaded guilty to. Then read: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extenuating_circumstances. Next time you feel like taking an off the cuff extreme point of view, perhaps you ought to “extenuate” your attitude by doing a little research.
2) Piracy absolutely causes monetary harm to the rights holder, it’s Economics 101 plain and simple. Let’s say I created software, for anyone who downloads it, makes it possible to print passable copies of the 20 Euro currency on their home printer. Any use of my hypothetical software would not reduce the actual amount Euro in the EU central bank, but the currency devaluation, if used to the scale that IP piracy is committed, would be felt across the European continent. Intellectual property IS the currency of the rights holder. Piracy is not so much stealing as it is counterfeiting that undermines the fundamental economics of the industries it affects.
3) Business plans don’t turn on a dime. Its way too simplistic to think the movie,music, and software industries should just abandon their current fee for use model and way too irresponsible for ALL the stakeholders on their side of the equation. “For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and WRONG”. -H. L. Mencken
4) Enough with the cultural superiority arguments, WGASA. Invectives and taunts are the hobgoblins of anonymous Internet cowards! Raise your game and your intellectual credibility will follow. Otherwise, you must really enjoy the smell of urine to engage in a fruitless pissing contest.
#223, Reasoned?
You gotta raise your game, son.
1. Good thing most honest criminals don’t rely on wikipedia for their legal advice. You don’t know much about the U.S. criminal justice system: most criminals DON’T COMPLETE THEIR SENTENCES. They get reduced sentences for good behavior, or gain parole from prison from parole boards. This explains why, for example, sex offenders can get early release only to rape some child/adult again.
2. Judges (sometimes juries) make sentencing decisions, with advice from prosecutors and plea from defense attorneys.
HE WILL NOT SERVE 10 YEARS IN PRISON!
3. America has the most to lose from piracy of intellectual property since America produces a huge portion of the world’s intellectual property. Most of the world uses an OS produced by an American company, over an Internet invented by America(not Algore); and the anti-American pirates upload movies produced by Hollyweird – they have little respect for the development and cost of producing things like the Internet, software, and movies.
BTW, the anti-American “anonymous Internet cowards” who practice their cultural superiority with “intellectual” gems such as these:
#4: “America is one nasty country to live in. Evil… pure evil this is. Thank god I don’t live in there.”
# 9: “What would that chimp Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Co get then if they were brought to the court for crime against humanity? I just can’t take that scummy American way of whatever you might want to call it anymore. Stay away from the rest of the world ffs!”
#23: “America is a ***** up country. That’s for sure.”
#65: “U.S.A is the axis if evil now days”
#31: “another reason why we should nuke usa and no im not a muslim”
#142: “America makes people want to attack it and its allies.”
#171: “hey Adam, I know why you bring up WWII – because it was pretty much the last time you Americans did something right.”
Heh, a reasonable objection there from a well-reasoned guy. So, instead of pointing out to Amerifascist that the German Newspapers reported pretty much the same things on Auschwitz in their time to keep people clear of such “necessary evils”, and without digging up the American death toll of countless “global interventions” (= undeclared wars) since WWII, I will close this off-topic argument (or “fruitless pissing contest”) with the remark that I never even said I was Anti-American, only Anti-Stupidity (= Anti-Nationalistic and Anti-Religious), because these two things are the roots of the most vile deeds ever committed by mankind, and always in the name of (or cloaked by) the so-called “greater good”.
So just remember what Bill Hicks, one of the finest comedians and social commentators ever to walk the planet, had to say about nationalism:
“It was a round earth, last time I checked.”
Peace, over and out!
#223, Reasoned?
1. The only chance that this guy will serve 10 years of a sentence is if he uses wikipedia for legal advice!
In the American criminal justice system, most criminals do not complete their sentence and are released early for good behavior, etc. Parole boards exist for the purpose of determining/granting parole.
2. Judges (sometimes juries) set sentencing, regardless what the statute reads, particularly if they are libs.
This is why America needs a truth-in-sentencing law because there is no truth in these prison sentences.
HE WILL NOT SERVE 10 YEARS IN PRISON!
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The reason why America cares about pirates and piracy is that America is one of the biggest sources of intellectual property in the world It’s not like China, Saudi Arabia, France, Britain, Germany, Denmark and Luxembourg have a lot to lose.
Most of the computers in the world are powered by a CPU designed and built by an American company, using an OS developed by an American company, posting anti-American comments on an Internet/WWW created by Americans, and pirating movies created by Hollyweird, USA.
If these anti-American types are so disgusted by “Corporate America, Inc.” and all that is American, then why do they pirate American intellectual property?
Why aren’t they pirating Chinese and Venezuelan movies, or French and British OSs, or Denmark’s and Belgium’s office suite software? Could it be that they’re schizophrenic: suffering from foaming-at-the-mouth hatred of American business and Bush Derangement Syndrome, but madly in love with American business products? Or, maybe they just find it easy to rationalize taking things that don’t belong to them, kinda like when they were children?
BTW, enjoy the smell of these typical anti-American intellectual fruitless musings from “anonymous Internet cowards”:
#4: “America is one nasty country to live in. Evil… pure evil this is. Thank god I don’t live in there.”
#9: “What would that chimp Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Co get then if they were brought to the court for crime against humanity? I just can’t take that scummy American way of whatever you might want to call it anymore. Stay away from the rest of the world ffs!”
#23: “America is a ***** up country. That’s for sure.”
#65: “U.S.A is the axis if evil now days”
#31: “another reason why we should nuke usa and no im not a muslim”
#142: “America makes people want to attack it and its allies.”
#171: “hey Adam, I know why you bring up WWII – because it was pretty much the last time you Americans did something right.”
# 225 Nov 21, 2007 at 00:11 by EurofascistsQuote Eurofascists.
And what are you, an American proud of what your country is?
just so you know Mr. I know everything, try to read more and educate yourself, most of the software’s today are made by foreigners, America has very few intellectual people so we need to outsource it from abroad.
People have the right to hate a country that thinks is the best in the world and wants everybody else to agree.
Look at history, many other civilizations were like we are now and where are they now???
USA is a great country and I am proud to be an American, the land is beautiful and the origins of this country were great, but unfortunately it is governed by the greed of many people that are not even Americans and also a bunch of politicians and their agendas.
Again, intellectual property has nothing to do with sharing for free, it has to do with plagiarism, with people stealing your idea and selling as theirs.
This people are so arrogant that they say “We lost millions of dollars with piracy” well who can guarantee you that the people that downloaded for free would ever buy the software? Would ever buy the movie or the cd? You can only say “We lost” if you can prove that this people would pay for that, otherwise your arguments are nonsense.
#226, Muaitai:
“many other civilizations were like we are now and where are they now”
Wrong. There has never been a more benevolent world superpower as the United States of America. No one should doubt that Putin’s Russia or Red China, IF THEY WERE THE SOLE, WORLD SUPERPOWER and possessing our nuclear weaponry, would use it to enslave Europe in a heart beat, and do so with ease and blinding speed, by simply using just a very few nuclear warheads of the 1,000s to cause every other country in the world to fold – look what 2 primitive atomic bombs did to Japan to end WWII.
Instead, like fools, we’ve used our nuclear power to shield an ungrateful Europe from a USSR which grabbed Berlin in a flash. We’ve used our lives, limbs and treasure to defend an ungrateful Europe from its creatures like Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin.
Why did we defend such an inconsiderate people, who spew such hatred for a nation that saved them from a Nazi existence or protected them from the privileged life of a Soviet peasant? Why do we still care about these ungrateful people and offer a missile defense system to protect them from Putin’s resurgent Russia?
Makes no sense at all. We should have left Europeans to quiver to their Nazi masters or crawl to their Soviet overlords or bow to Russia’s KGB chieftains.
If there is any justice in the world owed to Europeans, that should have been their destiny. America has been foolish to interfere with their destiny.
I guess you could say he is in big do-do now. LOL
#171 RE:#
You made reference to the Casualties of Russia but that is not what I was referring to when I said “You can spout off stats and percentages all day long does that make it true? Nope. Show some credible evidence when you make absolutely ridiculous statements that you try to pass off as truth!”
I was referring to this comment
“You see your country as the saviours of the evil world, yet you’re the single greatest threat to world peace (just ask the million dead Iraqis, 32% killed by Americans and the rest killed in the civil war you started).”
That is both ignorant and stupid!
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
Not only are our soldier NOT responsible for killing 32% of a million people (320,000) there hasn’t even been 100,000 thousand people killed, and thats including our soldiers!
I said ” As for the soviet union, they were fighting to protect there own country. They didn’t invade France to save the French people! We did!
You said “Remember Pearl Harbor?”
What does that have to do with the invasion of Normandy? I don’t remember any Japanese being there.
Eurofascists
I’m glad to see you on here sticking up for us(a). You have done a pretty good job, but it’s like talking to the wall. They are going to believe what they want to believe. These are things that shouldn’t have to be explained or argued about. We are supposed to be on the same side. Its no wonder that great Britain wouldn’t join the European Union.
I am not saying that I agree with everything that our government does or that we are a perfect nation. But,we are by no means imperialists, or fascists, and we do far more good then we do harm.
Oh not again…
Don’t let the victims get lost in all the politics. They’re just normal people and probably scared to death. They can use all the support they can get, even if it’s not financial. If you’re reading this, then hang in there. Others have gotten through this, and so can you.
I’m also 25 and from Orlando. Do they really think this is going to make me buy movies? This stuff makes me so sick that I don’t even *watch* them anymore.
If you care about yourselves and your friends, you’ll stop supporting these monsters. Let’s face it. The MAFIAA doesn’t care how much you’ve already bought. They’ll still ruin your life, and they’ll use every penny you ever gave them to do it.
They’ll either do this directly, like what is happening here, or they’ll do it indirectly by lobbying governments to take away our rights. Rights like watching television (Broadcast Flag and pcHDTV tuners) or watching movies we paid for (DMCA and Open Source/Linux DVD players). The list goes on.
I think there could be a compromise somewhere between the current extremes, but I have completely lost faith in our government’s ability to find it. Not when all our copyright laws are written by “representatives” who earn $100,000+/year in campaign financing from the MAFIAA (opensecrets.org). We simply do not matter to them. It seems foolish to pay them.
Their problem is that the laws do not protect consumer rights. Fee-based distribution does not (and cannot) work in the digital age; the more appropriate method is to charge per person using bio-ID to stop identity (and thus licensing) theft. The crime is not their copying, but the immoral MPAA licensing, restricting, and worst of all, contracting of both anti-capitalistic exclusive rights and local and regional telecommunication monopolies. This immorality of inequality is the reason for the internet piracy problem. Allow just, law-abiding systems to abide a just law, and they will respect her. Deny them justice or equality and good people will fight you.
The system needs an overhaul: Charges per individual without discrimination (not per use), licensing without temporal or feature restriction, and all transactions and contracts being per individual and open to public.
Hmmm, yes, lets force everyone to go by a biometric id in order to exist in present society (or in anything); here’s why not:
Any ID with irrevocable authority must be absolutely, positively, unique. It must be absolutely, positively impossible to spoof that ID. And that is impossible.
To varying degrees of simplicity, any object, produced by technology, can be replicated by an illicit version of that technology [see fake drivers IDs, fake email addresses, fake money, etc].
The only chance of something not being copyable is not to make it to hard to copy, but too expensive to copy; the only downside of that? The more rare the copies are, the more they are worth; and the more difficult it is to copy something, the more the copying technology is worth :P
Post 195, Spurge:
Good point, good point. I agree, we should not be bickering amoung ourselves about national-worth, when the board is supposed to be about p2p.
But, the bickering is fun!
Eurofascist, your most recent couple of posts [violent European history, Guantanamo rights + abuses BY prisoners, etc] are really really good! I’m impressed, very pertinent, they are very pertinent and intelligent!
True that! We should be more united!
I’ve noticed that both the pro-Americans use the word “fascist” as a slur AND the con-Americans use the word “fascist” as a slur; common ground!
Personally, I agree! I am _greatly_ against the abuse of power; I have no problem with deserving people/companies/countries attaining high levels of power, and money, and influence(affluence?);
but when those “tools” of money and power etc are gained illegimately (for bad, in order to unfairly oppress others, etc) then I think the culprits should be chastened [I'd use the word punished, but it is too harsh - enough with the nukes!:)];
and when those “tools” of money and power etc are _used_ illegimately (again, to unfairly oppress others, etc) then I think the culprits should be chastened.
And that looks like something that we all have in common: we are against the abuse of power, especially when it unfairly oppresses us/others.
So far, most of this “oppression” speech has pertained to claiming that one COUNTRY or another is “fascist” and unfairly oppressive [I guess there's gotta be _some_ legal system :)],
but this is a p2p board, and when you think about it, the current travesties are being committed by COMPANIES;
Peace out, and “Keep your stick on the ice; we’re all in this together.”
Do note that as “severe” as it is in the USA, the copyright laws…and punishments…in places such as England, France, Germany, Japan, and no doubt others are also severe, at least on paper.
It does no good to go running from place to place looking for somewhere “safe” to hide. It shall soon be raining everywhere because corporations that buy these laws operate nearly everywhere.
Complain…LOUDLY and OFTEN (in a manner best able to be appreciated) to as many audiences you can find.
Otherwise, ignore your freedoms and they WILL go away.
“228 Nov 21, 2007 at 04:24 by EurofascistsQuote Eurofascists ”
The world does not resume to Europe, and also I was not mentioning only our time, look throughout history, when I said other civilizations I meant the great civilizations of the past such as Romans, Barbarians, Greeks, Egyptians, Mayas, Aztecs, and so on, on their own time they were what USA is today, conquering, more advanced but everything come and goes in this universe.
I don’t want to ague here but the whole issue is if is fair or not to punish people because they are sharing.
3,000 plus people died in Bangladesh; do we see any of this people doing anything to have the artists helping them? NO
There are more important things in this world that suing people sharing files over the internet.
One of this days they will implement software that will control all our moves in our own home, just navigate on the internet and they will be watching you.
Again, I say it again, how can they say that they are losing money if they cannot prove that whoever downloaded the software or music or video would buy it in the first place?
You only lose something that you had; you cannot lose something on the assumption that somebody would have bought that if had not downloaded.
Me for instance, if I download a cd and I like it I will buy it, I have a rack in front of me with more than 400 cds, but if I download it and don’t like it I erase it from my HD, pure and simple, does that make me a thief?
There seems to be a lack of understanding of market forces in many of these posts. I would argue that, in the end, market forces trump government regulations and lobbyists. Some random examples:
1. Microsoft’s hardware-based software model is being trumped by a growing shift to on-line based software model, ala Google on-line applications, for example. All of Microsoft’s lobbyists cannot overcome market forces, if consumers are shifting to the on-line model.
2. The music industry’s desire to sell music in physical form, e.g., CDs, is being transformed by the iTunes model of Internet-sourced music. Market forces (i.e., consumers, are causing this change).
3. The general software industry’s desire to sell software in physical form, i.e., boxed software, is being transformed by the growing model of Internet-sourced software distribution. Market forces (i.e., consumers) are causing this change.
4. The software industry’s desire to “sell” software for $$ is being transformed by the Google model of “free” software, such as Google Docs, Google Calendar, Gmail (5 MB of free storage too), Google Notebook, StarOffice, etc., using ads as compensation. Market forces (i.e., consumers) are causing this change.
5. There is also a growing shift to open-code “software”, such as Firefox, which is competing directly with Microsoft’s Internet Explorer. Market forces (i.e., consumers) are causing this change.
Pirates and piracy of intellectual property fosters a culture of cheating and stealing. More and more schoolchildren see little morally wrong with cheating on tests and plagiarism. Some adults cheat on their government tax forms. Some businesses cheat through bribes. The notion that “everybody’s doing it” creates a pirate and piracy mentality.
As I read these posts, the mental gymnastics that people go through to rationalize and justify piracy is, simply, astounding.
Have at least some level of self-discipline. Don’t be a hypocrite by railing against “Corporate America, Inc.”, and then pirate its products because you love them (which are BTW, often the best).
If the tactics used by these industries are viewed by consumers as heavy-handed or unfair, ultimately, market forces (i.e., consumers) win out.
#237, Muaitai:
“Me for instance, if I download a cd and I like it I will buy it, I have a rack in front of me with more than 400 cds, but if I download it and don’t like it I erase it from my HD, pure and simple, does that make me a thief?”
I don’t why it would be piracy, since payment is either being made, or the “product”/cyberbits is deleted. Wouldn’t piracy occur if a person benefits from the product without making the payment?
Further, it would seem that if these were the facts for those defendants then the FBI would waste its time trying to prosecute?
Eurofascists, I agree, but again, the MAFIAA simply doesn’t care if you buy it or not. They do not assume good faith. They will ruin your life if they catch you transferring it at all.
“[U]p to 10 years in prison coupled with a fine of $500,000.”
That’s awfully disproportionate and could totally ruin his life. Sick justice. Fortunately I don’t live in the US.
@ Bittrucker
Just because the law is there, it doesn’t mean that it is just. Just because in the past, helping an escaping slave has a harsh penalty, doesn’t mean that one shouldn’t do it. You are the one at fault for thinking that you could “own” that piece of software. What makes me more disgusted is how people make these things FOR PROFIT rather than for the interest of the public, and claim that they “own” it.
I feel all of ya’lls pain wishing for a goverment overhauls, sentencing in proportion to the crimes and even the glorious idea of isolationism but in order do so you all so will have to deal with the hard truth that if any of these ideas are inacted you should be prepared and willing to sacrifice all these wants and focus on need, the cost to stop a heartles goverment is huge and politicians will not go quietly in to the night. The goverment overhaul idea will become of the strain on the economy and citizen will riot while politicians will dine and defend their comforts the system will then colapse apon its self and the risk will run high of local drug lords, mafia, Klan, and gangs will siezing territory as warlords with an absent system of goverment. So the problem is how to remove a rotten goverment with out total poverty and loss of control any where in the process of doing so which is for us( all of the displease) to unite learn a profitable craft, go to college learn law, economic standards studies, or start a business, funds are essential contribute to the cause and work our way up the middle into the center of gov. and grow and spread like a till there is now room left for old money. But that is hard and honestly not enough people work together any more so lets just say a prayer for Duc Do and his colleges and pray for ourselfs because being in the world we are in today we are in a shit storm that no one may survive.
And What can we do?
ICE and the FBI should concentrate on more important things. You know, like busting and deporting illegals back to that shithole Mexico.
I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. But it was interesting!
I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. But it was interesting! Look for some my links:
Did you ever consider that *that’s* the reason why people aren’t buying your product?
Who cares enough about that crap movie anyhow. Well.. besides MPAA and FBI – I.T. Staff?
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