TorrentFreak

The place where breaking news, BitTorrent and copyright collide

Anti-Piracy Group Aims For Huge BitTorrent Site Purge

BitTorrent sites are continuing to frustrate anti-piracy groups in Spain. They are not illegal under current law, but with a 3 strikes-style regime ruled out in the country, the entertainment industry feels it has no choice but to go after them. They are now placing their bets on thawing US relations and a subsequent change in the law.

parasitesEarlier this year, the Spanish entertainment industry, under the umbrella group Coalition of Creators and Content Industries, said they would settle only for a ’3 Strikes’-style regime to deal with online piracy.

With no legal basis, ISPs were extremely reluctant to comply, so government-mandated talks on the issue came to an end. On this particular battle, at least for the time being, the Coalition had to concede defeat, but they weren’t about to give up on the war.

Since it could not force sanctions on the end users, the Coalition – which includes the likes of Promusicae and SGAE – began to focus on Spain’s BitTorrent sites. In his first public appearance as Coalition president, Aldo Olcese noted there were 200 of them, up from 70 in just a few months.

However, as we mentioned in our earlier report, the Coalition’s ability to deal with these sites in the current climate is limited. Spanish courts have ruled time and again that if profits aren’t made directly from copyright infringements, BitTorrent sites are perfectly legal. Add this to the Chief Prosecutor’s May 2006 official instruction that effectively decriminalized non-commercial file-sharing, and the Coalition have an even steeper mountain to climb.

According to a new report, yesterday the names of the 200 sites were handed to the Spanish industry minister following the presentation of a report called Parasites’ Business (video below in Spanish), which was made jointly by the Coalition and CoPeerRight, who claim to be the world’s ‘premier’ anti-piracy company.

Coalition president Olcese pointed out the difficulties his group faces, describing Spain as a “piracy paradise” with “no legal, civil or administrative measures in place to combat this problem.”

CoPeerRight then gave a presentation based on its own research which it says shows that the average Spanish pirate web site can earn an absolutely astonishing €1.5 million ($2.2 million) a year in revenue, this based on an average of 150,000 users each, with some of them drawing 4 million unique visitors in a single month.

However, as we highlighted earlier, pure BitTorrent and other similar ‘linking’ sites do not profit directly from infringements, which means they are entirely legal. The Coalition hopes to be instrumental in changing this position.

Last week the Spanish government announced the creation of a commission to consider legislation to deal with the issue of copyright infringement. Coalition president Olcese told Billboard that he believes “there is a correlation between the setting up of this commission, with the fact the Spain’s assumes the six-month presidency of the European Union next January 1, and with the improved relationship between the leaders of the Spanish and U.S. governments”.

Indeed, earlier this year a very impatient US government growing tired with what it sees as a total lack of inaction on the issue, said that part of Spain’s “priority action” to decrease online piracy should include an agreement between ISPs and copyright holders to prevent infringing content being available on the Internet – code for “3 strikes”, a measure that not even the US has implemented.

While that option has disappeared, last week saw Spanish prime minister José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero make his first visit to the White House in his six years in office – the first by a Spanish leader since the country’s 2004 Iraq pullout, an event which didn’t go down well with the US. Zapatero is now offering to assist with the closure of Guantanamo Bay, a sign that relations are beginning to warm.

It seems now that the only savior of the Coalition and its partners will be a change in the law, but Coalition president Olcese couldn’t resist mixing up terms in order to create the impression that the 200 BitTorrent sites are currently illegal.

“We gave the government last April our proposals to establish an official register of legal Web sites and act against illegal sites. When we meet the commission, we shall reiterate our position,” he said.

Illegal is not the same as unauthorized or unofficial, as much as the Coalition would like it to be so.

Related Posts

Previous Post | Next Post

  • http://www.eZee.se www.eZee.se

    RIAA by any other name…. are the same bunch of bastards.

  • SJ

    So, 200 sites make 1.5 million. That adds up to 300 millions a year.

    Hmm, I wonder, why doesn’t the MAFIAA use Google Ads then and produce money by visiting people?

    But then, back in reality, 1.5 mio ist just another number randomly picked to boost the “losses”.

    I don’t believe any crap that the MAFIAA says.

  • SJ

    Reasoned Mind:

    lol, if the US wants to impose trade barriers on the Spain then they’ll have to impose it on the EU and that’s not gonna happen.

  • GrX

    why don’t these bastards offer the same service legally

    they want to shut down everything but give no alternative what so ever in return.

    Stop downloading stop this stop that, the internet is turning into the internot.. instead of them keep complaining why don’t they say right we’ve listened we will offer the EXACT same service but completely legal as an alternative completely free and funding by the same way they say other pirate sites are funded by adverts.

    stupid idiots will never get it

  • leakz_net

    Spain isnt going down anytime soon. Things dont work like that there.

    It makes me laugh actually …. axxo Himself is(was) from Spain. Piracy is in the Spanish blood.

    http://leakz.net

  • rawr

    Hey look reasoned mind is a politician now..

    lol, keep trying little buddy.. one day you might make sense and people may care..

  • GrX

    you noticed they removed the comments from the video lol

    probably stupid enough to have tried to region lock that video to Spanish people only lol so anyone out of Spain can’t watch it.

    these people are idiots and they wonder why there is so much supply and demand.

    why dont they just shut their traps and supply, instead of all stick and no carrot.

  • Anonymous

    i want to impose a trade restriction on reasoned mind, thank you.

  • Anon

    @2

    .. which is a big problem. Many countries feel like they have to do as the US says, of face the harsh consequences, and this is exactly why we have to tell them to STFU and mind their own business. We’re post nazizm and that’s simply not how things (should) work in the modern world.

  • Reasoned Mind

    That isn’t me at #2, you morons. That’s a link to adult content for crying out loud. Pay attention.

    We often focus on the miniscule here, each little thrust and parry, but that misses the larger picture and it all boils down to a choice.

    Either the network will reflect real world values, with real world accountability and respect, thereby safer for credit card info, medical records, digital distribution of product, that sort of thing……or it will remain mired in anarchy and cyberbullying and digital theft with the concept of “anonymity” taking precedent over everything else. In other words, a largely useless septic tank of lawlessness, id spoofing, and the promise of digital distribution being lost to pilfered content.

    With everything we already know about lawless behavior on the network when cloaked with anonymity, and with the history of humanity always seeking justice and legal accountability in new ways as new opportunities arise, the inevitable and logical conclusion is that the internet will be the focus of increased pressures to lock it down for secure communication while a decreasingly small amount of “free speech” advocates try to equate anarchy and chaos with freedom. which was never actually true.

    And which has never happened historically in the big picture.

    And won’t. Not in the long run.

  • pavel_at_bitsnoop_com

    > the average Spanish pirate web site can earn an absolutely astonishing €1.5 million ($2.2 million) a year in revenue

    Oh boy. We want to be an average Spanish pirate web site too!

  • Anonymous

    Anyone else notice the screenshot of some forum member “Mirrow”? That dude is famous now!

  • 133t

    don’t Americans have bigger problems like 2 or 3 wars , killing some innocent ppl , bombing some 3rd world country or they diss p2p in white house now.

    lol @ reasoned mind thanks for the lulz

  • Anonymous

    “Stop downloading stop this stop that, the internet is turning into the internot..”

    So true. Everytime i read bout some anti-piracy group trying some new sh*t, this image comes to my mind :D

    http://imaget.net/share.php?id=D32C_4ADDC924

    epic fail

  • Zush

    I marked the video as spam. I wanted to mark it as adult, illegal content but I don’t think the SGAE people have any sexual life at all :P

  • knux

    so, does that mean we can officially call Spanards, parasites now instead of pirates? And when are they gonna make the soup-can bay?

  • Something more

    I don´t know what the report say but although the video try to give the impression that each website obtain €1.5 million a year, it could be interpreted as that they make €1.5 million a year among all of them. That with 200 webs means 7500€ per year each in average :). See you don´t even need to lie you only play a little magic with word and ta-cha!!

    All of this came from the fact that Spain has a cannon over several electronic equipement to compensate for the looses due to private copy and the total amount at the end of the year is so abusive that the only way you can even began to make it reasonable is to count unauthorized downloads as private copy.

    With the law change their problem is that the spanish constitution is quite new so the secret of communication and privacy rights are explicit constitutional rights, and to peek over a constitutional right you need judicial oversight and you are not going to find a judge that would give away that power to some administrative entity so no law in that sense would pass the constitutional tribunal.

  • Nobby

    If, according to the Cartel, these BT sites earn so much money, why don’t they quit moaning and go setup their own? With the cash they have they should be able to dominate rankings and clean up.

    Idiots.

  • Joe Public

    Bit off topic but.

    Just wondering if anyone else saw on Sky that some of the world’s top female singers have told Sky News they disagreee with Lily Allen’s call to crack down on illegal file-sharers.

    Includes Shakira, Norah Jones and Nelly Furtado

    Seems like some know whats happening

    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Showbiz-News/Illegal-Downloading-Shakira-Norah-Jones-and-Nelly-Furtado-Disagree-With-Lily-Allens-Crackdown/Article/200910315408601?lpos=Showbiz_News_Second_Home_Page_Article_Teaser_Region_2&lid=ARTICLE_15408601_Illegal_Downloading%3A_Shakira%2C_Norah_Jones_and_Nelly_Furtado_Disagree_With_Lily_Allens_Crackdown

  • Anonymous

    y why not do the same for free?
    they get all those MILLIONS from adds.. just awesome kk.

  • anon2

    BitTorrent sites are not illegal under current law. Spanish courts have ruled time and again that if profits aren’t made directly from copyright infringements, BitTorrent sites are perfectly legal. so where is the €1.5million coming from? adverts? i doubt it! just another load of bullshit and trumped up info from the industries. anything to get what they want! they break the law themselves time and again with false info and that’s ok, but dont like others, allegedly, breaking the law (in their eyes, at least)

  • Anonymous

    Wow!

    Who new pirates were such good businessmen. Where the executives from the industry fail to capitalize the pirates make money LoL

    Seriously though I doubt the U.S. have any financial leverage against the E.U. otherwise they would have forced all those anti-trust investigations under the carpet by now which didn’t happened did now? and if the U.S. want to get out of the recession they will not alienate their last market.

  • PirLog.com

    Any child can tell that those figures shown are highly inflated. Hope Spain doesn’t change their laws because of this.

    http://Pirlog.com

  • GrX

    you noticed when we try to change a LAW we get told the law is the law respect what it is and no-body can change it…

    but when a law is made which some anti-piracy agency doesn’t like they don’t like the same advise they give to us “the law is the law” oh no they try to change it and for the worse.

    just imagine they changed the law in spain, who would then band together afterwards to fight for the law to be re-versed lol nobody

    the point is once a law goes their way there’s no chance in hell of changing it back or getting it re-formed

    they wan’t it all their own way and nothing but

    Why they don’t use their theory of these sites making $$$$$ out of piracy by offering the same alternative totally legal funded by the same Adverts and lets see how they go about that??? ah thats right greed will come in the way then they’d screw it all up with slapping DRM and country region locks on the media, then when it failed lol they’d come crying and complaining that the pirate sites are still going full steam.

  • Reasoned Ass

    Anyone take a look at the YouTube video and the originator’s account?

    You can always tell whether someone is pushing incoherent, fanatical bullshit when they disable user comments and moderate every aspect of their user profile. Parasite Business or whatever has pretty much done all of the above.

  • Trelew

    The sad thing is that Big Business will use governments, especially the US, to have them exert pressure tactics on those countries that don’t conform to the corporate regime. I say its high time that we ban all corporate lobbyist from all governments to stop the corruption. Unfortunately this will never happen.

  • matt

    wah wah we want to make things illegal which put us out of business because we’re a fucking stupid music industry who can’t figure out how to be successful!

  • fs

    uh… “lack of inaction”?

    Might want to proofread a bit more carefully ;)

  • RIAAtarded

    What a steaming pile. If torrent sites make so much money why do so many sites fail? We are averaging almost 20 a month opening and almost as many disappearing. Why? because pirates want it for free. If they were going to pay for it they would buy it legally. Some folks will give money to sites they like but the percentage of users who do so is extremely small. Most cases they are run by volunteers and barely get enough to cover basic costs.

    Foolishness. It gets tiresome reading about MPAA and RIAA and their chicken little claims.

  • Sendaii

    Who are America to tell Spain what to do? As if they weren’t satisfied with trying to police the world on every other issue, they now move onto file sharing when even they haven’t implemented a proper solution themselves.

    Sweet land of liberty my arse.

  • Anonymous

    “the names of the 200 sites were handed to the Spanish industry minister following the presentation of a report called Parasites’ Business”

    It is amusing to hear the corporate music parasites talking about “parasites businesses!”

    parasites business means THEM!

  • Anonymous

    I have a site that average more that 150,000 visitor a month and there is no way I will make this type of money if I wanted too with advertising.

    Calculation indicate that a thousand dollars would be the most!

    The corporate music parasites are lying again!

    We know them and we expect that!

  • Anonymous

    Let’s eradicate all these corporate entertainment parasites! We have to hit the heads at Vivendi Universal, Sony, EMI, Time Warner and their numerous sub.

    Let’s bring the spray killer!

  • Anonymous

    @25 Reasoned Ass:

    You did not lose your job yet?

  • Comeoncomcast

    PARASITES need to be exterminatedddd I say.

    Whos with? :P

    and Can someone explain to me what eBay has to do with Piracy? (not talking about fake goods)

    Nerr. Talk slower Spainard! Paranoia setting in!

  • AngryPirate

    Fuck US relations!

    Spanish Pirates FTW!

  • Anonymous

    Reasoned Mind, the minute you mentioned ‘anarchy, cyberbullying and digital theft’, I lol’d.

    You truly do have some sort of irrational fear of a free internet. What is your problem?

  • Anonymous

    Is so that’s $440million from Spain… if you add that to the rest of the world, it would make HUGE sense for the music industry to just make their own torrent sites! They would be making back all their ‘losses’, and then some :).

    Or maybe, just maybe, that revenue is just a little exaggerated :).

  • GrX

    he’s scared that one day he’s going to be proved wrong then he’s got to then really take his head out the sand with the rest of the scum.

    i personally don’t have anything bad to say about anyone even reason mind since we all know he just does this to get attention and kicks.

    i’d say dont feed the troll but it’s entertaining to say the least.

    i’ve said it once and again i’ll keep this short and food for thought

    millions of XviD/DivX players are made sold endorsed and rubber stamped by the FCC FCE and who ever else

    Then to put the cherry on the top SONY and other top brands make their players to play MPEG-4 / DivX/XviD

    My point? .. millions of these are made sold made sold world wide right?

    Show me 1 single store 1 single legal store where you can buy media in DivX/XviD format to use on these Legitimate FCC/FCE Approved machines and even branded by SONY who’s then other hand is trying to stop piracy so stopping that format so rendering their players features useless.. if there not doing that then they are suing people left and right for converting content or downloading content in a format that works with their player you PURCHASED lol

    i bet no-body has thought of that have you.

  • Reasoned Min

    @10 That’s not me either! You are all a bunch of asshats and I shall now proceed to nail my left testicle to the wall!

  • Reasoned Mind

    @10
    That’s not me either! You are all a bunch of asshats and I shall now proceed to nail my left testicle to the wall!

  • Anonymous

    The really big fail of the industry is that they don’t have a financial system in place LoL

    There isn’t an easy way to pay for things that come from abroad, the closest thing from an universal paying system is Paypal but it gets bogged up by legislation in every country that don’t want to see people buying stuff from the outside and sending cheap money to others LoL

    The industry don’t want to share their revenues with others and this will kill them.

  • realityBytes

    @ Reasoned Mind ..

    You seem to be trying (maybe intentionally?) to blur the lines between internet security problems and file-sharing.

    Copyright-infringement activities can co-exist with an Internet that remains relatively safe for business transactions, etc.

    People pirated plenty before the Internet but it didn’t mean our ATMs were insecure, and yet this is essentially the premise you’re putting forward. If people share in breach of copyright as they have in the real world for decades, it equals anarchy and therefore everything is insecure… absolute nonsense!

    The RIAA with their near-zero overheads on distribution and packaging on downloaded content are being insanely greedy in charging what they do for content.

    Until the industry adjusts it’s prices to account for the eradication of shipping and packaging overheads in relation to it’s digital distribution… it deserves to continue dying.

    It seems one man’s “freedom to share” … is another man’s “anarchy”.

  • Saddened

    I’m sorry, but flat out, over 200 unique money-making bittorrent indexes and/or trackers hosted in Spain, I’m not buying it.

    I would LOVE to know how they came up with that number.

    Also “4 million unique visitors in a single month” will not even REMOTELY get you “€1.5 million ($2.2 million) a year in revenue” from ads. Breaking down the actual numbers, I would say making 2% or 3% of that amount as profit per year would be considered great.

  • GrX

    no 44 thats easy :)

    they put on a blind fold get one of their collegues to spin them around until dizzy then point them to the table where there is 20 slips of paper some with $ some with £ some with euro’s someone then guides their index finger to wet sponge then they circle their hands around screaming come on baby i’m going to get lucky this time!!!! then slam their hands down on one of the slips. if when the blindfolded fool peeks from under the fold and see’s the number they landed on isn’t an acceptable figure they re-do steps 1 and 2 until a winner is picked!

    this is how the asshats do everything when it comes to figures and sales didn’t you know?

  • WARNING

    Either this page or an advertisement hosted by torrentfreak is attempting to connect to site that attempts to exploit adobe acrobat plugins, via the Bloodhound exploit, with the intent to install malicious software without the users knowledge or consent!

    TorrentFreak administration, please do something about this!

  • WARNING

    To add to that: The exploit is being hosted at ilekin.net. Users should block any attempts by their browser to connect to ilekin.net.

  • time traveling white rabbit

    been mentioned before…

    if these torrent sites are really making 2 million a year in revenue then it behooves the entertainment cartels to set up their own torrent sites legally and they would most likely make 3, 4 times that amount in profit every year and everyones happy. they make a profit and their not wasting money and time litigating everyone/everything.

    these cartels are really smooth with their cooked numbers and book keeping accounts.
    1.5 million in profits from advertising…LOL!!!
    a bunch of transparent lying bullshot spewed from the mouths of greedy contol freaks who seek to enslave us with their hoodwinking.
    they will fail ultimately.
    godbless the cartels failure.

  • gorehound

    We shoulld all be thinking of driving hollywood into the dust by not buying any new movies from them or going to a theater.i personally refuse to buy any new movies and will only buy used movies.
    and dont laugh cause when you thinki about it buyingh a used dvd in a local store will do more for your local economy than nay krap new film will.there are stores in every city that exist by selling used stuff.

    on the other hand i will buy new tv show boxsets to support a show i like not hollywood.

    fuck you riaa,mpaa,and your stooges.
    you will not stop the internet ever.
    anyone remember private ftp servers !!!

  • Yo

    Let me see – somebody is pissed that somebody else is legally making money on the visitors to their website and complains to the executive branch.

    I must be missing something because in Spain, laws are enacted by the Cortes Generales – the legislative branch?

    On another note, why would anybody in Spain care about bit torrent or other techno-shit like that when they have more immediate concerns?

  • Like Reasoned Mind

    That isn’t me at #10, you morons! That’s a link to the Britney slut and Madonna Crap porn content, provided and distributed by vivendique Univer- Sale the world of moral corruption and intellectual dirtiness for god sake! In short RIAA stuffs! Watch out! Stay away from this nauseous crap!

    Either the corporate music parasites reflect and provide real values and respect to the society and it’s ethical standards or they remain a bunch of low life terrorists, pederasts and thieves and they do not deserve to live.

    Even tapeworms might be useful to something, as it appears that they might prevent Crown disease.

    But the seven majors corporations of criminal parasites with their legal bullying, business theft with the concept of corruption, greed taking precedent over everything else serve absolutely no purpose.

    Therefore it is the duty of citizens to eradicate them. Their remains shall belong to the septic tank of lawlessness, (and to the real septic tank like Vibrio cholerae!) unless they got cremated and throw in the toilet bowl first of course.

    With everything we already know about their criminals activity while hiding behind a law-book which they mistakenly believe bullets proof since they tried to rewrite it, with the history of humanity always seeking justice and allowed by the constitution to owe and carry weapons, it is the logical and unavoidable conclusion that this very small and decreasing minority of corporate parasites who still try to equate greed, financial and judicial anarchy with freedom will end up eradicated.

    Am I good or what? And I am paid for this! YOO HOU! And I am paid by Vivendique for that!

    And you simple mind who is your boss?

  • ultraleetj

    this is funny. THe US has got its economy in the floor and they’re even diggin to push it down some more, and well, I doubt things woudl change in spain. If we make it illegal to profit from adverts then… the entire advertising business would be illegal too right? I doubt the industry would declare that illegal.. I think that’s also one of the reasons they can’t blame the adverts so they blame whats open source and free, the protocol of bitTorrent. If they blame their ads they’d stop making money. Simple enough.

  • Xcel

    @ 40,

    Yeah, I mentioned it in the TPB Appeal thread,http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-appeal-postponed-till-summer-2010-091019/#comment-608648

    I didnt get a reply on it either because reasoned mind cant answer it…To do so would open up another BIG can of worms…

    Ah well, good points #40..

  • Copyright is Censorship

    @10 Reasoned Mind:

    Lesse, credit cards always have been insecure way of paying for things:
    firstly as anyone who has your cc info can ding your credit score and
    make it harder for you to get mortage and such.
    secondly, anyone who has your cc info can spend tremendus amount
    of money and it falls on you to respute those charges.
    thirdly, anyone who has your cc info can implicate you in an crime or
    embarras you. How are you going to explain the charge on your card
    for a night at a shady motel to your wife or life partner(s)?
    Do you trust the waitress in the cafe that you just handed your credit
    card to to pay for your latte now?

    Have you heard about Mintrel? it was an French computure network that was
    exactly like you are proposing. The only thing was that due to high barriers
    to entry innovation was very little and as result Mintrel died.
    Google it if you dont beleave me.

    “Cyberbullying” is a term adopted by fear mongering tabloid media.
    It is nothing more than bullying only it happens online instead of
    in meatspace.

    If you are so against “anonymity” then you have nothing against posting
    your real name, where you work and your address here on torrentfreak.

    “Lawless behavior (sic)” Lawless in which juristiction? USA? Brittain?
    China? North-Korea? Australia? Iran? Schysilly Islands? Luxemburg?
    WIPO? UN? International coalition of economic cooperation?

    Face it, you are, most propably payed to, talk(ing) out of your arse.

  • existor

    I’m sorry, I’ve tried to like americans but they are ultimately self-possessed money-grubbing idiots without any conception of the world beyond their borders.

  • Xcel

    @54

    Half the Ppl that post on this board are americans, quit being so narrow minded..
    Most of the crap you pirate comes from America, so then not only are you narrow minded but also a Hypocrite dont blame a whole country for the actions of a few…

    A Pirate IS a Pirate, that is the flag we fly, our location is irrelevant….

  • Firefox + NoScript + AdBlock

    TorrentFreak has ads?

  • Anonymous

    Someone supress the post 56 by Babilu please?

    This is spam.

    [TF: Sorry, they've gone now though]

  • fight_the_tyranny

    Where does the US government get off telling other countries what to do? If I was spanish I would be deeply offended by this insult.

    It kind of makes you understand why all these arabs want to bomb the US government.

  • ….

    “a measure that not even the US has implemented.”

    well duh bcs we got civil and human rights already in place that wouldnt allow it @ the average bittorrent user look at your peer list where are most of the ip’s from? ;)

  • Xcel

    @59

    Now that I can agree with somewhat..
    Except…

    The US is not twisting anybodies arm, all their doing is “selling” the idea to these other governments, making them understand that it would be to their own benefit as well to come up with a resolution “locally” to the problem at hand…

    No sanctions or embargo’s are being threatened over a few downloads, (some of you Ppl get way outta control, LoL)These governments the US is speaking with do have the option to say F-you at any moment and there isnt a F-king thing the US can or will do about it…

    They are looking at the BS numbers of lost revenue, believing that it will happen in their very own countries..
    in short, they are buying the BS the US is selling, they are being convinced….

    So yeah, the US is working towards a goal, the government is being fueled by the money hungry movie industry….

    But, everybody has a choice…
    If they cant see it for what it is, then something has to be done to “clue” them in…

  • Xcel

    In addition to my post #61….

    A great place to begin is within your own countries Pirate parties…

    Heres a Wiki with a list of them
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party

  • Yatti420

    1 Goes Down..5 Pop Up!..

  • noko

    youtubeyanomola uploaded the video as a protes cause they have blocked the coments. heres is the addres:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8LsFldJWcg&feature=related

  • .neo.styles|nvDX

    It amazes me how the law in so many countries can just bury it’s head in the sand when it comes to time to protect people’s interests from a bunch of law less, greedy freeloaders. It’s like everyone’s work is up for the taking and no one is going to put up a finger. Courts have a moral imperative to protect people’s work.

    Why does it matter if it’s commericial or not? Either way, no one is getting compensated for their work.

    Unauthorized use IS illegal. That’s what copyright violation is. Seeing as how copyright is a law, a violation of it would probabaly fall under the illegal cateogy.

  • thanks

    i want to impose a trade restriction on reasoned mind, thank you.tatil

  • me

    @62 Xcel: excellent post dude. It’s really all about educating our (mostly still offline-minded) politicians.

    Unfortunately, the content industries have a lot of head start here, not only because of their deep pockets and owned US and French (and recently most other) governments, but also because their very raison d’etre is to sell ideas (memes) to their customers.

    They’re experienced at making believe and telling tales (dream factories). Sadly, one of those tales is the MYTH that sharing is bad — even though it is the most natural behavior out there.

    Add to this that politicians are scared to run against those powerful opinion makers, and you’ve got the current sad state of a world full of greed and void of generosity.

    And to remain on topic: IMHO Spain will ultimately cave in to US pressure on this particular point, just like every other government (except perhaps Venezuela and the few remaining other rebel states out there).

  • Anonymous

    Everybody loves Spain – the US is picking on the wrong guy for sure!

    US sanctions on Europe would be interesting for all of us. It would give EU a big kick in the back to finally start working together for real.

    We’d just have find alternatives to some products and do more business with Russia and China instead. Most hardware and products are manufactured in Asia anyway.

    Maybe then the yanks would pack up their hundreds of military bases on European soil and go home… (we’re practically under occupation but most ppl don’t realise).

    I don’t have anything against the USA as such – just their constant meddling in the affairs of other countries.

    Bring it on!

  • grawss

    I’ve put plenty of money into artists I enjoy after downloading their music and “trying before buying.” If I can’t see that what I’m about to purchase is worth purchasing, I simply won’t. I’m sure most others feel the same way.

  • Concerned User

    Why don’t all the Torrent Sites move to Venezuela?

    Maybe making a few headlines first, saying how the US corporations are killing them.

    Of course Mr. Chavez would have to agree (or agr€€ or agr$$ or agr&&) but, that wouldn’t be the biggest problem. It was a matter of giving him the rights to collect the profits, as per the MAFIAA numbers, and asking only 10% payed up front. Nice deal huh?

    That way, they would be out of harms way, under protection.

    Who knows, this could actualy work… ;)

  • Dave Mitchell

    why don’t kids grow up and realise other peoples work actually has a value?
    you don’t steal food, so why do you rate the people who flip burgers higher in reward than people who make music?

  • Concerned User

    Because people that flip hamburgers, can’t have their work digitilized, reproduced with ZERO costs, shared instantly all over the world.

    If you want to give examples, don’t use physical items. It’s like comparing air with rocks.

    Music is not the issue. Not here, not anywhere.

    I’ll gladly pay to watch any artist I like perform is art. I’ll never again pay for copies, reproductions, recordings or whatever you want to call them, in any format, and at whatever price. That isn’t music. That is only a copy.

    Imagine I tried to sell you digital copies of any famous paint. No matter what quality the copy had, would never be the PAINTING.

    The same applies to music, if you really love it, go watch it LIVE. And pay for burger flipping, or guitar handling or whatever. Copies, reproductions, recordings, are not sellable anymore. They are equal to flyers announcing the circus is in town (and those flyers at least cost money, digital copies cost NOTHING)

    Before throwing a Moral comment, check what morals are you using, maybe in this case, you are using the morals of anyone else, and not really yours. Remember, I said, MAYBE.

    A fully grown kid.

  • Sony Jacobs

    Sounds like those anti piracy groups have WAY too much time on their hands! LOL

    Jess
    http://www.anonymous.ua.tc

  • Ninja

    Love when Reasoned Mind speaks..

    If those Spanish torrent sites really earn all that then the media industry has declared they are indeed a complete failure for not going into that sort of business.

    I’m still waiting for an online store where I can buy the media I download for sane prices.

  • SilverSurfer

    I’ve surfed the net since this started with TPB and I see many people all with different ideologies and backgrounds refuse to open their eyes and start speaking in terms of freedom and lessening government control through electoral power. All this other ideological nonsense has to be dropped her and now. Look to your politicians and cut them down at the knees by withdrawing your support. There is no opposition. There is nothing but lies. The solution is always more government across all ideological wings. Do not be distracted. Focus energy on the true answer, the true people who want to remove the government parasitism.

  • pZ

    bulk via VPN, tracker via Tor…

  • Mr. Sadface

    I love how these fat-cats manage to push their interest toward govs.

  • Pingback: Spagna:ancora per poco paradiso della pirateria ?

  • BTGuard - BitTorrent Anonymously

NewsBits

Even more news...

  • The Pirate Bay Isn’t Down Completely, Just Having a Few Issues

    Twitter and Facebook, not to mention the TorrentFreak inbox, are currently alive with complaints that The...

  • Pirate Bay Founder Gottfrid Svartholm on Freedom of Speech

    Freedom of speech is a highly valued commodity, but should people be allowed to say whatever...

  • Blu-ray Anti-Piracy Tech Stops Discs and Promotes Purchases

    An anti-piracy system present in all official Blu-ray players since 2012 has received a fresh update...

  • Foxtel Breeds Pirates by Locking Up Game of Thrones

    One of the main reasons why people turn to piracy is the lack of legal alternatives....

  • UK Student Admits Breaching Sony Copyrights With Leak of PS3 SDK

    Last year an Internet user known as El Nomeo leaked version 3.70 of Sony’s Playstation3 SDK...

MostDiscussed

Below are TorrentFreak's most discussed articles of the past month. Join the discussion if you like.

CopyQuote

Left Quote

“The Pirate Bay has been one of the most important movements in Sweden for freedom of speech, working against corruption and censorship.

Peter Sunde Left Quote

PopularArticles

A selection of some TorrentFreak's classics dug up from our archives.