Anti-Piracy Group Asks Court to Gag The Pirate Party

Ernesto
April 25, 2012
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The Hollywood-backed anti-piracy outfit BREIN is going all out to make The Pirate Bay inaccessible to the Dutch public. After successfully blocking The Pirate Bay through court, and then censoring proxy sites that linked to it, they are now demanding that the Pirate Party should be banned from “discussing” how easily Internet censorship can be circumvented. The political party is baffled by the proposed gag-order and has asked the court to lift all censorship efforts.

The legal battle over Internet censorship is reaching new heights in the Netherlands, as the local anti-piracy group BREIN is now asking the court to gag the Pirate Party.

The lawsuit is the next move in BREIN’s attempt to deny Dutch citizens’ access to The Pirate Bay.

In January, a Dutch court ruled that Ziggo, the largest ISP in the country, and competitor XS4ALL, must block access to The Pirate Bay. As a result hundreds of individuals setup proxy websites allowing subscribers to route around the blockade, effectively rendering the order useless.

In a countering move BREIN obtained an injunction from the court to shut these proxies down, including one operated by the Pirate Party. However, the Pirates are determined to put up a fight and have taken BREIN to court to get the order overthrown.

The case, in which the Pirate Party asked the court to lift all censorship restrictions, was heard by the court yesterday. BREIN, however, did exactly the opposite by submitting a rather broad set of new demands essentially asking the court to gag the political party.

In short BREIN’s demands are as follows.

1. The Pirate Party should be banned from operating a reverse proxy for Pirate Bay

2. The Pirate Party should be banned from operating a generic proxy service

3. The Pirate Party should be banned from linking to third-party proxies

4. The Pirate Party should be banned from listing new IP-addresses / domains Pirate Bay registers

5. The Pirate Party should be banned from encouraging people to circumvent the Pirate Bay blockade

If the Pirate Party violates the above terms BREIN asked for a penalty of €10,000 per day, up to a maximum of €250,000.

Needless to say, the demands of the anti-piracy group are unprecedented for a copyright related case. It is essentially a gag-order to enforce a previously obtained court verdict. If the court sides with BREIN this will have rather far-reaching consequences for people’s freedom of speech. It may also invite other parties to consider making similar demands.

The question is also how far BREIN wants to take this. Should other generic proxy sites be banned as well? And what about VPNs or the TOR network? All of these services allow the public to bypass the court-ordered blockade.

Meanwhile, the popular Dutch weblog Geenstijl is making some noise as well, as they launched a redirection site (FuckTimKuik.org) that forwards people to available proxies. BREIN has yet to respond to this initiative, but it shows that it will be quite difficult to root out all circumvention methods.

The court’s decision in the case between the Pirate Party and BREIN is expected to be published in two weeks. This verdict will coincide with BREIN’s case against two other Dutch Internet providers that are still allowing access to The Pirate Bay.

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http://profiles.google.com/joramoudenaarde Joram Oudenaarde

I’ve been following the news regarding BREIN’s demands… I sincerely hope the Pirate Party will succeed. BREIN is (and has been) starting to implie that áll torrents and áll proxies are illegal or pointing towards illegal files, up to a point where you start to wonder if they even know what torrents and proxies are actually being used for.

Holland (much like a lot of other countries with MAFFIAA-like agencies) is not North Korea or China, where the government decides what sites we can and can’t visit. And we’re definitely not into having the content-lobbyists tell us what to do. They’re not the law (or abóve the law), so please let the Pirate Party win this one.
- http://www.cheapassfiction.com/ Aelius Blythe
  
  Hey, shout out from China here.
  
  These demands DO look eerily familiar.
  
  It’s funny (the not-really kind of funny) because even in China (and I imagine in N Korea and elsewhere) there are always “good reasons” for blocking speech. Party members here talk about the dangers of rumor-spreading and fear-mongering and disturbing the peace and it all totally makes sense. Just like when BREIN (et. al.) talks about the dangers of TPB and proxies used to circumvent the law, people think it totally makes sense.
  
  But of course, when you can’t even discuss something, then you can’t put any stock at all in what “totally makes sense,” because the status quo can’t be examined or challenged.
  
  I seriously, seriously hope this is one step to far for the Dutch people. I seriously hope that you are right that the people are not into this kind of government control and that they will support the Pirate Party on this. Please?
  - Guest
    
    “I seriously hope that you are right that the people are not into this
    kind of government control and that they will support the Pirate Party
    on this. ”
    
    The Dutch parliament was just dissolved, so there will be elections later this year. That’s an interesting time to make our voice heard and NOT VOTE for the parties who did nothing to oppose such groups as Brein. A party member shaking hands with Chris Dodd should feel this in his received votes.
    
    I hope people will see that the parties who ostensibly want to promote the free market economy (i.e. the “right wing”) really only help the big industries, the rich and the powerful. Please vote for the social-liberal parties; they were the only ones who sometimes spoke out, also in the EP.
    - A concerned citizen
      
      I totally agree and my vote will go, on 12 September 2012, to the pirate party.
      It is a shame that the average dutch people are like sheep, or should I say asleep.
      When Kees from next door does not feel it directly in his wallet or his door being smashed in by an anti terrorist unit of the police because his IP adress was mistakenly (added to the swarm by a tracker) recorded uploading the newest song from some Finnish kid, he might wake up. But else…. guess a situation like this should be put in a commercial and conclude with the text ” this can happen to you too, vote pirate party NOW and show this commercial on all nets at prime time just before the 20h00 news, then … maybe then some people wake up.
      
      (of coarse no channel will sell the time-slot to you but then you can sue them).
      
      Payback time..
  - Anonymous
    
    what Dorothy answered I’m blown away that a stay at home mom able to profit $6482 in 4 weeks on the internet. have you read this site link ^^^ http://getyouralldesires.blogspot.com
- http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja
  
  Indeed. If there’s something wrong with a site the problem won’t vanish if you block it. Blocking child porn sites won’t stop the ones behind to make more child porn. And a child porn site wouldn’t have 1% of the popular support TPB has. Every1 I know likes TPB and supports them and their message. I think maybe it’s about time we started dismantling BREIN and the likes due to their constant attacks against freedom and civil rights.
  - Anonymous
    
    …or we can just let these ar-tards keep trying to enforce unenforceable laws on the internet.
    - A Guest
      
      That’s exactly what you shouldn’t do. If you allow them to keep trying, they will eventually succeed, and in the worst case they even might set the groundwork for other companies and organizations all over the world to continue where BREIN has started.
    - Caladol1
      
      BREIN is not just attacking our human right’s, it is also attacking new companies, attacking new jobs, and new ideas trying to maintain an old business model, not just music, copyright is a problem not a solution to economy. change and evolution are necessary, specially nowadays.
  - Samurai
    
    Once you start down the slippery slope of allowing the rich 1% control what the other 99% can and cannot say or do, it won’t be long until they’re trying to do it to other means of communication. Nobody in their right mind would stand idly by if snail mail and telephone services were suddenly censored/monitored in a so called free country, so why should it be ok when it’s our international network (the internet)? There is no fundamental difference between those and e-mail, instant messaging, newsgroups, forums, comment sections, web pages, etc. Speech is speech and controlling it is censorship, the complete opposite of freedom. Hopefully the judge will see through this sham that BREIN is trying to pull and nullify the previous rulings along with any other ruling which attempts to censor the masses. If not, then I guess it’s time to do more than use a corrupt system of law that is stacked against us by the rich and powerful (voting too). We’re the people that cook and serve their food, change their oil, pump their gas, clean their floors and windows, and a zillion other menial tasks that keep their world turning. They really fucked with the wrong people and it may be time to finally take things beyond simply complaining, if you get where I’m headed with this. If they won’t listen to our words, then perhaps they’ll listen to our actions. Good luck censoring those you greedy twats. Hope you enjoyed the piss soup! ;)
- Anonymous
  
  like Kevin answered I am taken by surprise that someone can profit $5010 in one month on the internet. have you seen this site >>> http://Gotoonlinejob.blogspot.in
- DutchGuest
  
  The REAL problem is that BREIN is a group funded by a bunch of big media cartels, but they act as if they were part of the government.
  They keep talking about ‘illegal downloading’ when downloading is LEGAL in Holland.
  They keep on trying to criminalise the Dutch downloaders, something which we also saw in government proposals, especially the proposals made by that fat, corrupt fuck Fred Teeven.
  THESE PEOPLE NEED TO BE STOPPED.
  What we need is civil unrest, riots in the streets, marches against these corporate shenanigans, and a clear sign that the Dutch people won’t take this shit lying down.
  But here’s problem #2 : the Dutch are almost as politically divided these days as the good old U.S.A., so getting both left wing and right wing people to work together against this bullshit is…
  Well, let’s just say it’s a pretty fucking slim chance (i would say ‘when hell freezes over, but that’s a bit too cliche).
  So divided we fall, under slowly advancing corporate rule, until Dutchies end up like the U.S. in that can’t afford our own healthcare, won’t be able to afford anything but scraps, and work for slave wages and still we won’t make ends meet.
  
  Yes, it’s a pretty bleak vision of a possible future, but it’s becoming more and more real with every gag order our uninformed, elderly judges send out because they didn’t understand half the fucking case because they don’t understand technology (they’re essentially like that dipshit Ted Stevens, but less right wing).
- Anonymous
  
  like Adam replied I’m blown away that people can get paid $8972 in 4 weeks on the computer. have you read this webpage… http://makeadesire.blogspot.in/
- Guest
  
  “I’ve been following the news regarding BREIN’s demands… I sincerely hope the Pirate Party will succeed.”
  
  Well, this show to everyone how extremist is BREIN and what a potentially dangerous psychopath Tim Kuik is. May be this guy shall be arrested and put into a prison or a closed mental institution before he kill somebody.
- SS4
  
  Only good soultion to stop all that kind of shit is a REVOLUTION !
  
  Killing all trools and theirs familly , all political class for every country – all of them are the same bitches , destroy all cartels , all corporations , all fat riches becouse all of them makes fortune with scaming , tax evasions , abusing by money influence , becouse bribe politicians to make laws for them , kiling other people with polution, chemicals , toxic and junk food , fake or poison medicine drugs pills , nobody can make fortune if work honestly if pay all taxes if doing everything in acording with laws etc etc and never let that kind of shit happen in future !
  Humanity mean social , care for others for society ,respect for nature ,humans are social been , human are build to be a social and gregarious beings and just in that way humans can survive and develop, humans are not build to be solitary so humanity mean care about people NOT about money ,not individualism ,not stupidity ,arogancy , ignorance , not capitalism = greedy system who wasting resources , destroying and poison nature for money who lie foolsih and enslave people to make more money for fat stupid riches
  
  F..k YOU , if ill have chance i will kiling you without any regret becouse you are a pest of this world ,becouse of you this world it is a shit , you all stupid fat trolls and slaves of system dont deserve to live , you mess this wolrd day by day with your shit , you make billions of people day by day to feel lot of pain just to get more fuckin money , i dont know for what becouse nobody is imortal , you fuckin bitch can be killed in one day by someone , anyway everyone will die in some day so why you need more money bitches ? maybe for a better grave ? dumb trolls
- Tom Mann
  
  Quick workaround. Pirate Party splits in two – second party (new name) does all of the above.
  
  Start again BREIN.
- Anonymous
  
  like Diana replied I cant believe that someone able to get paid $7574 in 1 month on the internet. have you read this website http://tomakeusd.blogspot.in/
Dunk5y

more time spent finding paedophiles who hang around in dark corners of the net would be better spending all this money on!
- Anonymous
  
  no money in it
  - Anonymous
    
    That’s why non-profit copyright infringement will never be a criminal offense, no money in it.
    - Anonymous
      
      What?? As far as the media industries are concerned, piracy is depriving them of profit. THAT is why they are prepared to spend so much time and resources to get the results they want. And for only that reason.
      
      Noone much gives a shit about chasing paedos ‘for the children’ relative to that desire.
    - Anonymous
      
      And on top of that, most governments are more than willing to make the act of piracy a criminal offence for the promise of greater wealth and stronger economy/employment. The money in it for all of these organisations is in stopping you from doing it.
      
      If you really believe what you wrote there, you got a shock coming.
    - ZiggySig
      
      Just look at the math! There are huge loses involved:
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZadCj8O1-0
    - Anonymous
      
      @ every other @d0e1593f03ddea585b4072d481eacf0a:disqus No, it will NOT be a criminal offense due to the FACT that their money hungry ambulance chasing lawyers have nothing left to chase anymore.
- Caladol1
  
  The MAFIAA are pedophiles, Censorship promotes pedophile actions as it hides the truth.
  - http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
    
    You mean, the truth that pedosexuality is a normal sexuality that has been unjustly latched onto by feminists and others to blame for all of societies ills? Yep, that is pretty much the truth that they are trying to hide.
    
    No sarcasm meant in the above either.
Sfoxman

I’m all for sharing. I hope that Germany’s justice give to the Pirate Party victory against copyright monopoly.
- Guest
  
  Dutch != german/Deutsch. It’s in The Netherlands, not Germany ;)
- Cyclical
  
  I think you mean Holland’s justice – this is the Dutch Pirate Party (not Deutsche) ;)
Guest

why not let people vote on a new legislation…

Arrest all of BREIN’s administrators and let people vote like they use to…by throwing rotten vegetables and rocks
- Go
  
  Let the people vote on legislation?
  
  That’s insane! It would be like democracy or something.
Nunki

Dude, it´s in the Netherlands ^^
Germans don´t have a say in it :)
I know, many think of the Netherlands as a county of Germany, but they are actually a Nation on their own ^^
As to BREIN Dutch ppl need to stand up to the oppression. This has nothing to do with copyright anymore. You do have rights. Don´t let a MAFIAA lapdogs take away your basic rights.
Don´t let BREIN charge libraries for child reading sessions!
Don´t let them censor.
It is time to stand up.
- Truth
  
  I think it is because Sfoxman has a court order preventing them from talking about the Netherlands :)
BREIN should be banned from

BREIN should be banned from taking people to court.

BREIN should be banned from publishing FAKE statistics.

BREIN should be banned from attacking POLITICAL parties. ( no fascism rule)

BREIN should be banned from invading peoples privacy.

BREIN should be banned from ………

LET’S MAKE A LiST PEOPLE ( get 100 + )
- http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja
  
  BREIN should be banned from existence.
- Mwhahaha
  
  Brein should be banned from public toilets.
  
  Not relevant really, but it would be entertaining to see them squirming in the streets when they really hafta pee.
  - BREIN Suck My Stump
    
    The opposite should be true, BREIN should be banned from everywhere except public toilets, let them hang out there with the other turds.
- Eee
  
  BREIN should be banned from life. I’m pretty sure that’s the only way someone could shut them up. I mean they do sacrifice babies to Satan so we know they’re defiantly evil. I can photoshop some pictures then find some ridiculously out of their fucking mind religious extremist group and email them.
  
  I always thought it would have been funny to see how wbbc would have treated them. “They’re the ones that go to soldiers funerals and protest saying they’re all going to hell.”
  I got a chance to troll them back a couple years ago when I made me a big sign saying Satan loves wbbc and pretended to be on their side rofl.
  
  I was called every name in the book and condemned to hell. I said but I’m an Atheist and I don’t believe in fairytale books.
  
  So are there any groups similar in the area? I’m pretty sure the redneck wrong turn style people exist all over O_O
  - Michio Kaku
    
    first of all do you realize atheism is just another religion? i would prefer to think like a physisist, until something is proven right then we call it fact. according to quantum theory a flying spegetti monster could be tucked somewhere in the center of the black hole. We don’t know, we don’t believe, we just observe
    - Cyclical
      
      “We don’t know, we don’t believe, we just observe”
      
      That’s the very definition of atheism. As in – no belief in a theistic entity – because there is no supporting evidence.
      
      Sitting on the fence about it is actually called agnosticism. The scientific method supports the hypothetical non-existence of ‘god’ insomuch as there is clearly nothing to promote the idea that such a deity exists. The scientific method creates ‘hypotheses’, ‘theories’ and ‘laws’ based upon the best available evidence which is why it is flexible and open to adaptation (where a religion isn’t). Atheism is also flexible and should irrefutable proof for the existence of a god-head arise, I doubt you’d find many atheists who would deny logic and refuse to believe – only then would they become dogmatic (and therefore, religious by definition). Atheists tend to be critical thinkers who have arrived at their decisions regarding the likely existence of gods through logical analysis, not because they were told that’s the way things are – the very antithesis of the vast majority of religious devotees (although I might add, not ALL religious people – as many have analysed the available information and have still chosen to believe in some form of theism, although that is based purely on emotive personal worldview as opposed to emotionless scientific data).
    - No-Name-For-Now
      
      Are you dumb. The flying spaghetti monster was a joke. A THEORY IS A
      THEORY, NOT A FACT, LOOK IT UP (Also its impossible to prove anything)
      hard to explain but this is because are restricted because we are only
      observers.
    - Guest
      
      >
      Are you dumb. The flying spaghetti monster was a joke.
      
      When you successfully campaign for pasta strainers to be allowed in driver licence photos as religious headgear it’s more than just a joke.
    - Anonymous
      
      @fd587262fc9f3a5bd97792cadcd71170:disqus
      
      “Are you dumb. The flying spaghetti monster was a joke”.
      
      What he was saying was that quantum theory can allow for ANYTHING. Go read up on the “boltzman brain” hypothesis if you want something truly weird.
  - A guest
    
    Why the fuck do you even mention that off-topic topic? Just who in the world gives a crap wether you’re an atheist or the Son of God? I think you just missed the entire point of this news resp. the poster from before.
- Anonymous
  
  BREIN should be banned from attacking POLITICAL parties. ( no fascism rule)
  I know this is the Netherlands we’re talking about here, but doesn’t this harm their right to political freedom? if we start muzzling parties we don’t agree with, that would be against the law here.
- DannyUfonek
  
  BREIN should be banned from accessing the internet, so that they can’t attack it
Mwhahaha

Banning political parties from speech…
Yep, that sounds fair and the way forwards towards a free and enlightened society.
Anon

damn…

Whats next ? Make the word “the pirate bay” illegal and banned from everyday talking? And fine every single people who say this word ?

Then the people will be afraid of saying it, just like the word “Tiananmen” in China.
- Michio Kaku
  
  how about fuck brein?
- DannyUfonek
  
  or Voldemort in Harry Potter books.
townie2

so now the clowns are trying to muzzle legit political parties. obviously they will do anything to make a buck.
Anon

MAFFIA have found a weak country/justice system and are going all out to get their precedent. If/once they succeed in the Netherlands this will go global.
- Anonymous
  
  I can’t see it going global, but it definitively sets a dangerous precedent for other European countries, especially if it gets the attention from the EU commission.
Jason

I am shocked at how a small group with a lot of money (RIAA MPAA) can effect so many countries into destroying the same civil liberties their countries were founded on. They are just evil. The 3rd Antichrist is a corporation and they are marching to destroy all that oppose them. I have already setup a machine only to seed behind vpn. Fuck u Antichrist, and the pale copyrighted horse u rode in on.
- DannyUfonek
  
  Nostradamus prophecy anyone?
Guest

man things just keep getting worse. how much deeper will we go down?
Anonymous

I’ll keep saying this until somebody hears me. We are not at the MAFIAA’s mercy — they are at ours. Though they have enough power and money to get their own way on all legal fronts, they certainly can’t FORCE the public to buy movies and music. A well organized, well publicized, well justified boycott of ANYTHING produced in Hollywood — for as long as it takes — will bring the MAFIAA to its knees. It just takes a little will-power from the general public. Once there are some gaping holes in their quarterly profits, maybe then they’ll be willing to discuss reforming copyright law. Black March didn’t work because a very small segment of the population had even heard anything about it, but that can change.
- Guest
  
  There’s that, and then there’s the fact that I don’t really think a one month boycott is enough. Even if everyone participated. Sure, you dent their quarterly statement a bit. Sure, maybe–just maybe–it wakes the MAFIAA up just enough to tangentially touch reality for a week or two before shooting back off into la-la land and plotting their next scheme to drag the world back into the pre-Internet era. But it won’t be enough, especially if everyone just goes out and buys everything they were going to buy at the end of the month.
  
  We need a total, no-compromise, no mercy, indefinite boycott. No one buys anything that winds up giving money to the MAFIAA. The end date of the boycott isn’t 1 month, 1 year, or 1 decade. The end date is the day that the MAFIAA is dissolved into bankruptcy, every single high level MAFIAA executive is standing in line at a soup kitchen, and every single low level MAFIAA thug has left to find a much more positive use of their life while trying desperately to scrub the stains of their previous employer off of their résumé.
  
  There’s no place for the MAFIAA’s sense of entitlement and need for draconian control in an era when independent artists have all the tools they need to successfully produce and distribute their own music on their own. The MAFIAA will NOT be satisfied until the Internet is castrated and turned into little more than a TV set–a one-way broadcast medium that they–not you–have complete control over. Nothing that anyone does or agrees to will be enough. Just look at Rapidshare. They don’t want you to be able to talk to each other freely. They don’t want you to be able to share reviews of movies that might discourage others from going to see the slop that the MAFIAA typically produces. And they certainly don’t want everyday people with talent that are outside the MAFIAA’s circles to produce and distribute quality songs and films that people can listen to, watch, and buy without giving money to the “gatekeeper”.
  
  This dinosaur’s time is almost over, but in the last few months it should have been made clear to anyone that it can do a lot of damage in its death throes. We need to put it out of our misery before it does damage that can’t easily be undone.
  - Nonamebecauseyouwantit
    
    “There’s no place for the MAFIAA’s sense of entitlement and need for draconian control in an era when independent artists have all the tools they need to successfully produce and distribute their own music on their own.”
    
    Thanks for saying that, thats what ive been thinking the last few days. Im slowly learning who to make music but im worried then when i finaly am up to a level where its good enought to be sold (a year or two max). The internet will be destoyed and any platforms i would have sold it on will be removed. Plus if they manage to cencor sites like utube and media fire. How will i get music tutorials, Or how will i get beat and vocal packs, synstestizer patches etc. This isnt fair…
- Anonymous
  
  We need to have another BLACK MARCH but why only last a month? I stopped buying movies and music 15 years ago. Games are my new entertainment, until Xbox start suing random people and pissing people off in general, then they’d be blacklisted too.
  - Guest
    
    You do know that you weren’t supposed to buy games either, right?
    - Anonymous
      
      What? when did the gaming industry become part of the MAFIAA, it didn’t and Anonymous is just as clueless for suggesting to boycott them as well.
    - MAFIAA SUCK
      
      No, Games are not part of the boycott, remind me, what part of the MAFIAA does the gaming giants represent? I’m willing to bet my sports car that it doesn’t represent ANY PART of said MAFIAA, Anonymous are a bunch of 4chan kiddos who don’t know anything and think that DDoS is the answer to everything.
Gs

A good read with constructive proposals on sharing and copyright: http://www.copyrightreform.eu/sites/copyrightreform.eu/files/The_Case_for_Copyright_Reform.pdf
- Anonymous
  
  Thanks, I’ve been looking for something like this.
Anonymous

keep saying. it wont be long before the entertainment industries and their lackeys are in complete control of everything, and not just internet related. governments and courts are doing everything they possibly can to assist in the stifling of human rights, in particular the right of free speech and the right of sharing information. i really just want to know what the fuck it is that the entertainment has that it can use/is using to basically blackmail the whole world? i mean, Jeez, they only make movies and music. they dont produce food or housing or anything else that people cannot live without, do they!
- Anonymous
  
  The trouble is the amount of keyword *RETARDS* that will not stop buying music no matter what! they should have ALL THEIR MONEY TAKEN OFF THEM AND BE BOOTED BACK INTO SPECIAL NEEDS EDUCATION VIA THE SHORT BUS BEFORE WE ARE ALL DOOMED!
radioman

fuck the brain…
amnesia

Getting to the pirate bay with zeelandnet and their own dns? no probs
“ and open dns?” no probs
” through F/routed vpn no probs
Most may see this as “it doesn’t matter what brein do, we can reach the site anyway. Here lies the problem. It’s not a question of running and hiding anymore. It’s a question of saying, this will not be tolerated.
The netherlands are going through alot of changes. Where I live you now need ( from the first of may ) a membership pass to get your smoke and the powers to be want the same thing across the entire holland by 2013. This maybe a little of topic but the reason to have coffeeshops is to take it off the streets and away from the criminal world. Which mean it will go directly back to the streets.
It seems like to me they want to give the rules and laws of sharing to the criminals called brein / MAFIAA
- Gae
  
  If you cant buy a smoke in a coffeeshop then your not going to stop smoking, your just going to buy it somewhere else.
  Also, which areas does this apply to at the moment?
  - amnesia
    
    Of course you will goto the street to find some and folks have found iron filings, glass, sand and alot of other nasties in the street wiet.
    
    All rigions affected, Limburg, zeeland and noord brabant other areas such as rosendaal and bergen op zoom have closed all the shops. Oh and forget about 5 grams it’s going to change to 3 grams per person per day, this has already started in some place’s.
Anonymous

thinking about this, it seems to me to be a restriction that the entertainment industries are trying to put on the Pirate Party itself rather than what the Pirate Party is doing, and just because of the disagreement over what should and shouldn’t be allowed as far as copyright is concerned. to me, the implications of this are dire. imagine any political party that doesn’t like what an adversary is doing/saying. it could ruin any chance of that other party winning parliamentary seats let alone becoming the ruling government, simply by asking a court to stop what that party is doing. this is a massive assault on free speech and if the local court agrees with BREIN, i sincerely hope the Pirate Party takes the matter to as high a court as possible, ie the EUCJ. this shit has got to be stopped once and for all, before all opposition to mainstream politics and lobbying industries is removed! if not, what the hell is the point of having any sort of vote on something? the party/government that doesn’t like the outcome will just do what it wants anyway!
Hmm

The Christian Democratic Party get them dick heads out of nertherland screwing up the internet and coffee shops
Anon

So they want to ban the pirate bay exercising free speech ?

Whats next they going to stop me from thinking about porn , fuck them and the goat they ride on.

It just get worse with each “bright idea they come up with”…. unlucky mother fuckers. You will not beat the interwebz or the people that use them.
- Anonymous
  
  BREIN the monkey of Hollywood are really trying to walk a tightrope on this one…
  http://www.firstnews.co.uk/site_data/images/77215873_4f202f8d4e5d3.jpg
- Baaaa
  
  You and your goat porn Anon, cant take you anywhere.
themerryreaper

Censorship is fucking a**oying.
Jimbo

why wait for 2 weeks to give the verdict we all know the court will give? the dutch legal system seems to be as bad as in Sweden where the rights of anyone and everyone mean nothing in relation to the entertainment industries and their associates.
Anonymous

1. The Pirate Party should be banned from operating a reverse proxy for Pirate Bay

Doubtful but the Court is into such censorship.

2. The Pirate Party should be banned from operating a generic proxy service

Invalid. There are very many generic proxies around with a vast array of valid uses. It is wrong to block all those valid uses just because the proxy in its access all can bypass the TPB ISP block.

3. The Pirate Party should be banned from linking to third-party proxies

Yes nothing more than a gagging order. Trying to deny freedom of speech on an established political party none the less.

And even if you did gag them what is to stop them linking to another person’s page where such subjects were covered?

To go down that route then makes it unlawful for anyone anywhere to state how to bypass this court ordered TPB block and that would be a huge violation of public rights.

4. The Pirate Party should be banned from listing new IP-addresses / domains Pirate Bay registers

Again directly trying to deny freedom of speech. They are directly doing nothing wrong but saying “look what I found here”. And when has that ever been a crime?

5. The Pirate Party should be banned from encouraging people to circumvent the Pirate Bay blockade

So now BREIN really goes insane demands people to stop fighting censorship? One step towards a totalitarian state would it not?

Fighting censorship is about fighting oppression and that is an extremely valid political opinion held by billions. It is also pointless for BREIN to demand this when even if the Pirate Party was blocked this would only fuel others to pick up that same torch and to march on.
Clint

How crazy is BREIN ?
A political party is the voice of the people and it’s key in democracy, BREIN is only a private watchdog of sorts closely related to media corporations, how can private corporate watchdog censor what the people have to say?
It’s just madness.
- BREIN Bite Me
  
  BREIN isn’t censoring anyone, it’s asking the courts to censor the people on it’s behalf. The crazy thing is that the courts are doing what this media corporation lapdog are asking. Now that’s madness!
Krosis

Could’ve sworn the Netherlands was a first world country…
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000617943487 Máté Bikfalvi
  
  That’s the problem.
Yeye

So it has come to this, what constitutes appropriate usage and functionality of the internet is to be dictated by copyright/royalty collection groups for their own (possibly non existent) financial gain…

Website does not conform to required specifications: have it blocked.
Use a proxy: get it closed by the court.
Use/operate a file storage website: your a criminal. (500 armed police at your door next day)
Hear an instrument or song being played without pulling out your credit card: your robbing somebody of a job.
Watch a movie: your supporting terrorism.
Watch a bit of porn: receive demands for money and threatening letters.
Do nothing: receive demands for money and threatening letters.
Visit the wrong website: have your internet cut off.
Do perfectly legal activity: get extradited to America.

Really who do these people think they are? Who are the fools that are taking them seriously?
345345345

why they host all these proxy sites in NL is mystery to me. Why not host them in some other country where BREIN cant do shit?
- Anyone
  
  out of principle
  BREIN should not be able to do anything in the netherlands as well
townie2

proxies are needed in public wifi hotspots like airports, restaurants, etc. to protect your privacy from hackers, etc. who the hell is BREIN to say i shouldn’t be allowed to protect my credit card number, passwords, log in details, etc.
Darkhog

BREIN certainly lacks BRAIN.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Zak-Kirkpatrick/22906930 Zak Kirkpatrick

Sad thing about this is that BREIN and the courts don’t understand that what they are doing is useless even though it’s being thrown in their face. They are (at least in their minds) curing the symptoms, not the actual sickness. Which is honestly and bluntly, just plain stupid.

If you want to solve a problem, then come up with a REASONABLE solution and propose it to the court. Or possibly ask for help from the other side to come up with a common ground solution…

I think we all know that we are pushing the boundary of legality with our downloads, however we do it as we aren’t offered a reasonable alternative at a realistic price. We (TF users) typically believe that if Hollywood would offer us their movies, in the format we want, at a fair price, without inappropriate device/sharing restrictions – then the majority would likely fall in line. Until that happens, batten down the hatches, we goin to war!
Anonymous

As I understand it, BRIEN is basically Hollywood driven. And Hollywood is a US company/Industry.

So does this mean the US is interfering in Neatherlands Politics?

Also, if the Pirate Party is being blocked/gagged for any reason, does this also imply that to be fair, all political parties in EU would have to be gagged as well, to maintain the impartiality of the courts?
- Desu75
  
  Hollywood is mostly a Jewish-ran industry, so really it goes right back to Europe as they forced the Jews over here in the first place since the late 1800s to 1940s.
- Desu75
  
  Hollywood is mostly a Jewish-ran industry, so really it goes right back to Europe as they forced the Jews over here in the first place since the late 1800s to 1940s.
UniversalSoldier

FuckTimKuik.org is a nice name for a site with a nice purpose.
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http://paulwidegren.com/ Paul Widegren

Banning political parties from speech…
Tom Mann

Quick workaround. Pirate Party splits in two – second party (new name) does all of the above.Start again BREIN.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001217400849 Kevin Egelston

If you have to forcefully quiet your opponent to win, you have already lost.
BREINISBUTTHURT

yeah so…what’s the problem , every time these corporate backed
anti-piracy groups try to make a stink ,they look all the more stupid
and less credible. They play the hypocrite card… lol.. they don’t even
realize how far behind they are.

What a bunch of butthurt losers,
Anonymous

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