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Anti-Piracy Lobby Defeats European Democracy

An amendment designed to protect Internet users from the anti-piracy lobby has been rejected by President Sarkozy of the European Council. The rejection goes against the will of the European Parliament, where 88% of the members already voted in favor of the amendment, which was originally destined to protect file-sharers from Internet disconnection under the ’3 strikes’ framework.

When the European Parliament accepted the amendment this September, it did so to protect the rights and freedoms of Internet users. This was much needed, as in recent years, anti-piracy lobby groups have called for tougher monitoring of Internet users and are actively working to erode their rights further.

The amendment, drafted by Guy Bono and other members of the European Parliament, was supposed to put a halt to the march of the anti-piracy lobby. However, despite the fact that is was adopted by an overwhelming majority, with 573 parliament members voting in favor with just 74 rejections, the European Council went against this democratic vote.

In September, Bono stated in a response to the vote: “You do not play with individual freedoms like that,” going on to say that the French government should review its three-strikes law. Sarkozy had other plans though, and in his position of President of the European Council, he convinced his friends this Thursday to reject the proposal.

The rejection also goes against conclusions from the EU culture ministers last week, who sided with the more balanced view of the European Commission, by encouraging copyright holders to work on offering “high quality, accessible, easy to use and consumer friendly” content online – instead of chasing pirates.

Guy Bono was appalled by the recent decision of the Council, which he referred to as “an arrangement between friends.” Not all is lost though, the amendment might pass in January or February 2009, when it will be proposed again. However, as Bono noted, this initial rejection is likely to result in a negative image of European democracy.

It seems that the lobbying efforts of the MPAA, RIAA and others have paid off, and for France and other European member states the road to a ‘three-strikes law’ for alleged pirates is now wide open again.

In France, Sarkozy will now go forward with implementing his controversial three-strikes law. We can only hope that other European countries wont follow this example. What a great demokarzy Europe has.

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  • Scarface

    Sad Sad Sad Day.

  • http://www.eZee.se www.eZee.se

    Sarkozy = MAFIAA’s bitch.

  • Anonymous

    Sarkozy = the worst EU-dictator all time

    Fuck the EU.
    It makes for it’s residents more worse instead of better.

    I hope all the countries except the land-of-the-stupid (read: France) will leave the EU.
    Otherwise there not much left of the torrent trackers…

    Damn, damn, damn, yet another fucking rule for decrease freedom in your life.

  • me

    I wonder how much they paid him for that decision.

  • Anonymous

    This is why we need a majority vote rather than a unanimous vote. One veto and the whole thing is off.

  • Anonymous

    If those 573 parliament members walked off the job tomorrow in protest, the European Council would fold like a cheap suit.

    But instead, all they’re going to do is sit there with their thumbs up their asses for the next year, when they’ll try passing it once again.

    Sarkozy may have been the one who vetoed this amendment, but Parliament are the ones just rolling over and letting him get away with it.

    You don’t play with individual freedoms like that? Well apparently, you don’t stand up and fight for them, either, Mr. Bono. So fuck Parliament, and fuck you too.

  • maXpower

    hehehe, no second turn for him….,
    god, i just wait the new generation to reach the age when can vote => bye, bye copyright bully => it’s tic, tac, tic, tac for the copyright holders agency’s

  • Anonymous

    Problem is that if the voting helped anything the bill would have passed. Anyone who thinks we live in a REAL democracy anymore is sadly deluded

  • MeH

    This isnt a democracy… damn the idiots there they deserve to be shot as it goes againist ewhat they stand for… The deserve their power to be taken away as it is not right that even though the vote went one way they go the other…

    political idiots…

    *i refrained from swearing somehow….

    MeH
    Mayhem excites Hell

  • maXpower

    @8: if it were as i said he wouldn’t be president, the voters of tomorow are hardcore downloaders and see nothing wrong in sharing some music/movies with friends=world :)

  • Norway FTW!

    Each and every day I feel more and more sorry for the french people. Each and every day I get more and more frustrated with trying to understand what Sarkozy actually wants. He is probably the greatest idiot of them all, a bigger idiot than George W. Bush – and I don’t like him either.

  • Anonymous

    France is only good for cheap cheese and pate. Belgium rocks.

  • Anonymous

    Sarkozy wont remain president of France for a long time.

    His popularity was already suffering from his private life affairs and now this!

    Bye,Bye Sarkozy!

  • Ancilevien

    Sarkozy was acting as French president when he removed that amendment. He wants France to have the 3 strikes law (HADOPI or “Internet et Création”) and he doesn’t give a f**k of people when leading France.
    The saddest is that he may (will ?) be re-elect in 2012 because there is no one who can beat him.
    His most dangerous rival is Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the actual IMF Managing Director.
    We (France) are doomed.
    Anyone wants to be our president ? You only need money (lots) and good relations. You can then buy the press easily, and oldies believe (and vote) as told.

  • Roze

    As a response to this, I think that a protest is important. The best way to protest is to copy even more — but in order for it to be an effective protest, it must be visible to people in general. For one thing, I think it may be good to drop copies of copyrighted materials in various random public places – especially derivative works, which continue to be censored in France due to copyright.

    Roze
    http://www.10ch.org/

  • pupsi

    @ 7:

    Ahhm, do you recognize that lots of downloaders are in the age to vote but:

    1. there are not so much pro-pirate parties they could vote, because:

    2. fileshares (and loads of other people) don’t care for politics as long as it does not affect them directly (and when they recognize that affects them it is far to late to take action, nice system).

    So,

    who of you is now going to get a political activist against the coming of the 1984 state???

  • anti-french

    you forget his french. the french do what they want and dont care about anyone else

  • http://www.eZee.se www.eZee.se

    “Bigger idiot that G. Bush”
    Dont know about that but a contender for the title, for sure.

    “he doesn’t give a f**k of people when leading France”
    If you can call that “leading”, sounds more like “selling out” France.
    You guys are pretty famous for your “revolution”, look at the clock;I think its time you had another one.. off with his head!

    “This is why we need a majority vote rather than a unanimous vote. One veto and the whole thing is off.”
    BINGO!!!!
    Its totally silly, the majority vote outnumber the moron/paid for vote many times over but still…

    I feel sad to be in the EU right now, till I look at the other side of the pond and 150k per song “infringement”! then I see that although its pretty screwed up here, it could be a lot worse… a whole lot worse.

    http://www.eZee.se

  • oui

    This news makes me happy.

  • anti-french

    when is the french tools term up again

  • Robert Mugabe

    I like this boy. The vote goes against his wishes so he vetoes it….When he gets dumped as leader he can come and be my deputy.

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  • Cheese-eating surrender monkeys

  • baka pinkuu

    #2 – ROFL.

    #21 – You’ll have to get in line; I’d bet there are a lot of corporations who can make the same claim as the MAFIAA per #2.

  • Roze

    @16
    I think it is because most people don’t realize the real benefits of P2P other than “downloading stuff” – as a result, they aren’t really that personally invested in P2P as a whole. I think, however, that this situation may change – if people start thinking of P2P as more of a community thing than an “me get stuff” thing.

    Roze

  • Darwin

    Add Spain to the list of countries following Sarkozy’s three strikes law.

    Our “socialist” Government is pushing for the approval of a similar law in Spain and it’s training the national police for prosecution of file sharers and investigation of P2P communities.

  • aquariumfish

    So typical of the French, as usual!

  • Anonymous

    Democracy in the EU?!? LOL. If you’re looking for democracy in Europe, you’ll only find some in Switzerland. The EU is a democracy-free zone.

  • zdsfgdgdg

    Why the commenters are as dumb as youtube’s commenters ? You may be angry about France, but Guy Bono is French, and it is all the country that vetoed the law (safe Sweden and UK). So all the other country have surrender to French will ?

  • Aiue

    Hey, rest of Europe.
    Revolution.
    Let’s have one.

  • Anonymous

    oh noes! theys trying to take away my right to steal whatever i want!

  • Rekrul

    In today’s world, votes are treated as nothing more than a survey of what people want, which the politicians in power are free to ignore if it goes against what THEY want.

  • Ba$tard$

    Ya see Ireland, This is why we need you. UK didn’t get a Referendum… We WANTED one… We got screwded again.

    Ireland FTW!!!!1 You are out last hope.

    Fukk EU. France get him out…

  • CRK

    To hell with that moron!

    People will learn to encrypt their transfers, and they will still continue to download.

    In time, our generation will put it right!

    Viva la revolution!

  • Roze

    @30
    Indeed, this country (France) with a foundation of revolution should have another.

    –Tremble, tyrants and traitors
    –The shame of all good men
    –Tremble! Your parricidal schemes
    –Will receive their just reward
    –Against you we are all soldiers
    –If they fall, our young heros
    –France will bear new ones
    –Ready to join the fight against you

    –Frenchmen, as magnanimous warriors
    –Bear or hold back your blows
    –Spare these sad victims
    –That they regret taking up arms against us
    –But not these bloody despots
    –These accomplices of Bouillé
    –All these tigers who pitilessly
    –Ripped out their mothers’ wombs

    Roze

  • Ashley Wilson

    >:| >:( >:()!!! I hated that Sarkozy guy since the beginning. Also that Vasesque from that other french speaking country in Europe (Rumania is it?). They seemed hate worthy to me.

  • Errata

    erf i’m french, sorry for my president (many of us pay for the lack of brain of other)… but Mr. Bono promise “the new amendment will be more explicit”. i can’t await the end of french presidency.

  • Anonymous

    jeeez luckily france’s rule over the EU is over in a month. how could that guy be elected anyways … he’s fkn ridiculous. the only reason anyone knows him here is because he’s acting to lulzworthy. glad our (conservative!) goverment has already rejected even a milder form (just throttling, no internet ban) of the three strikes law.

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  • BoBoBo

    It will turn. Sarkozy out of touch just wants to stick his dick in a woman. Sarkozy is Moron. Friend of Bush is what he is.

  • BoBoBo

    USA voted for BooSH.
    France voted for SarkOZEE.

    The two countries have more in common than they know.

  • ALIS

    Well there goes my relatively low trust in the EU. I thought they finally did something that was meant to help the people living in eu but looks like they are as corrupt as everyone else, wave a little money around and everyone changes their minds… Didn’t know EU was a dictatorship, first the (fake) democratic vote then one man cancels the outcome of the vote…

  • notsojolly

    media on a disposable plastic disc is bullshit.
    20 euro for a CD, should really be 5 bucks for legal rights of the DATA.

    any motherfucker ANYWHERE can turn his house into a DVD factory, so why pay 20 euro for shite that still turns a profit at 5 Euro?

    doesnt help that the french frog fucks wife,(sarkozy) is a washed out over hyped singer.

    At the end of the day these cunts in suits dont speak for us, piracy to me feels like my way of getting one back for me….
    PLUS I GET SHIT FOR FREE :)

  • Anonymous

    TBH I thought Sarkozy was cool but now I know different. Why did the French vote for him? They must love little dictators.

  • Anonymous

    Wasnt Denmark going to adopt the 3 strikes rule too?
    Well, atleast I’m not moving to Europe any time soon.

  • Anonymous

    you pirates are such little crybabies. anyone that doesn’t approve of your rampant theft is a dictator?

    pfft!

  • The Hut

    What ever happend to the De Gaulle spirit of the Hyper-puissance. He would trun in his grave knowing that sarkozy is letting the yanks tickle the frenchies belly wellie.

    Oh well raise the white flag again! Well done guys but thankfully this time we wont die for you!

  • Farcyded

    France I really feel for you. I agree once the Baby Boomers are gone, real progress will happen. I am a Gen X’er and constantly feel shitted on each passing day… Wait, I just thought about something, with so many people looked at as being a criminal and if so many people are disconnected by this law, by the time Generation Y comes into full strength the internet may be so clamped and locked down tightly they may not know what real freedoms we have on the internet today. “Can’t miss what you never had.”

  • Anonymous

    fucking french. why did you elect that prick sarkozy again?

  • reminder

    Hi, I’m french.

    sarkozy is installing a police state in france, like pinochet in chile in ’73. freedom of press is at stake, police is over-powered and never punished… But it’s the same in all the european countries. the democracy mask is just a lure.
    So wake up people. I will never vote for anything that’s “liberal” in my life. Those guys are just greedy psychos. (I didn’t vote for sarkozy but had already voted liberal beforehand, when those guys weren’t control freaks)

    besides, there is no thing such as “europe president”; it’s the country (now france) that is “president of EU”, and it’s only the mainstream media who say that sarkozy is europe’s president.

    And I dearly hope this son of a bitch and all his family will be assassinated.

  • zanfr
  • mr_smith

    It is very seldom that the European Parliament agrees on a subject with such an overwhelming majority and then to see it stoppped by an narcisist (President Bling-Bling) who ist paid by the Mafiaa : (

  • devils advocate

    Sarkozy is satan. when you realise, it’ll be too late.

  • Norway FTW!

    @27
    “Democracy in the EU?!? LOL. If you’re looking for democracy in Europe, you’ll only find some in Switzerland. The EU is a democracy-free zone.”
    I hear you. Every person I discuss politics with I try to convince that direct democracy is the only true democracy. A very, very lonesome battle because most people doesn’t want anything to do with running the country. If they’re not involved they can complain, something we might be the world champions of up in Norway.
    Fortunately our government hasn’t merged us with the EU yet. But fortunately our constitution says that every person who tries to let someone else rule us, or rule a part of our contry can be judged to 21 years in prison (max years in Norway). Would be quite easy to protest against the EU..

  • Silly-Americans

    So quick to judge the French and EU democracy. Pot? Kettle? Black? America isn’t exactly a model of democracy. The USA is a classic oligarchy. Americans are just too distracted by bread and circus to realize it.

    The French may eat cheese and they may have surrendered. But Americans eat fast food, they’re usually fat and are the most complacent people on the planet.

    Wake up. What you accuse other people around world is nothing compared to what you can be accused of.

  • Chris

    I’m getting seriously tired of entertainment companys expecting to make more and more money. Personal debt is sky rocketing, some of my friends currently owe two or so years of their entire pay before tax in unsecured debts due to recently graduating. How much more money do they think they can get out of people!

  • Anonymous

    I wonder why there are no riots in suburbs of Paris, Brussels and other capital cities of the EU for this…c’mon people! Kill Sarkozy for freedom!

  • alex

    “What a great demokarzy Europe has.”

    at least we have a democracy! in the understanding of the most european citizens, the USA are not a constitutional state (more like public arbitrariness) and therefore has much less democracy than any of the staates of the european union.
    yes, i’m from europe. to the news: it’s indeed a sad sad decision! fck sarkozy

  • SL

    The only reason he done this is because his wife is a singer and we can see who wears the pants in that household.

    Pathetic although Im sure it will be challenged if they try to implement a 3 strikes rule.

  • AnarchyNow

    who gives a fuck about these shits! we don’t care, we’ll continue to fuck ‘em all in the ass til they all drop dead

  • cbgb

    So sad people are gonna read this article and not all the comments… the article is right but the author totally ignore the fact that this amendement is going to be re run and will win this time.

  • RockHospital.com

    This shit is getting to crazy right now, its like very silly. Why can’t they listen to the people of their country and understand what we want, not what a 100 year old business model wants. We live in a digital world where we can get what ever we want by a couple of clicks on a website, its amazing how it works, but MPAA, IFPI and other assholes is working against this new wave of distributing art.

    am i making sense?

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  • Sarfaily

    See that’s why I don’t like this European version of G.W. Bush.
    I wonder what French ppl were smoking when they voted this pile of fail.
    Another reason to hate drugs :F

  • Norway FTW!

    @63
    The EU doesn’t care about the people. The EU constitution was voted down in France, Germany and Netherlands if my memory is correct, they change a bit so that it doesn’t have to be voted for in the countries but it says the same. Luckily Irelands constitution demands voting, and that’s what saved the citizens of EU to have a constitution without wanting it. The leaders of the EU want to rule whole of Europe alone, they don’t care about the people.

    NO TO EU, FOREVER!

  • fuck politicians

    FUCK NICOLAS SARKOZY!!! DRUNK…

  • oh ye
  • ergo

    @57 Chris

    “I’m getting seriously tired of entertainment companys expecting to make more and more money.
    ————————————–

    Why? They’re a business like any other. making money is the number one function of a business. what exactly are you suggesting they do? become non-profit? turn a blind eye to the out-of-control theft of their products? What?
    ————————————
    “Personal debt is sky rocketing, some of my friends currently owe two or so years of their entire pay before tax in unsecured debts due to recently graduating. How much more money do they think they can get out of people!”
    ————————————

    The entertainment companies did not put your friends in debt and the only money they “think they can get” is what they’re owed through the VOLUNTARY consumption of their products.

    Chris, I don’t mean to sound to harsh, but judging by your post you seem to be something of an idiot.

    My condolences.

  • Anonymous

    “So quick to judge the French and EU democracy. Pot? Kettle? Black? America isn’t exactly a model of democracy. ”

    Don’t assume everyone criticising this is American!

    “Why? They’re a business like any other. making money is the number one function of a business. what exactly are you suggesting they do? become non-profit? turn a blind eye to the out-of-control theft of their products? What?”

    Theft? Where?

  • HAHA!

    ‘…blind eye to the out-of-control THEFT of THEIR PRODUCTS?’

    LMAO, good one! :D

  • I’m not surprised…

    If EU majority would vote pro antipiracy lobby, the french would vote contra. They always think they have to be different. They are just a pain in the arse of EU. Watch how many millions(Euro) they begged out from Brussels for their agriculture. fuck them. get out of EU, leeches!

  • Chris

    Dear Ergo,

    Way to miss my point. Their market is not infinite, their profits do have a limit. How much should people spend on their entertainment. 25% of their money, 50%, even their food money?!

    A buisness is foolish if they cannot accurately estimate the maximum their product can sell. My friend’s debt is not their concern but their spending power is. If they can afford to spend $10 a month then they are likely to spend much more than that. Simply put, I believe alot of file-sharers could not possibly afford to buy the ammount of entertainment they consume, not even in the entertainment industry’s wildest dream.

    It is only an utterly capitalisitic fool that thinks profits can only grow and grow. Ignore who your clients are and how much they can spend and you will destroy yourself.

  • Anonymous

    fuck sarkozy, fuck the french who voted for him

    the council made the right call, but that twat overruled them; the presidential system is BROKEN.

    we need a new political mechanism to co-ordinate europe if a decision the council has already made can be overruled so easily.

  • Anonymous

    ergo: “Why? They’re a business like any other. making money is the number one function of a business.”

    Securing a large enough revenue stream to cover operating costs while maintaining enough profit that your employees can afford to live is the number one function of a business.

    Not to accrue an apocalyptic sum of wealth by squeezing the public dry of every last penny through extortionate prices, ripping off the actual content creators for all they’re worth, and using business practices so all around unethical that it makes Enron almost look angelic by comparison.

    ergo: “turn blind eye to the out-of-control theft of their products?”

    Filesharing isn’t theft, you slobbering little halfwit. Why do you think people always get tried for copyright infringement when a filesharing case goes to court, and not theft?

    Because duplicating property is not the same thing as stealing property. Duplication. Say it with me now, Sloth, that is if you can form the syllables.

    D U P L I C A T I O N.

    Now tell me, do your government appointed Retard-Handlers know you’re using the Internet?

  • laama

    Big mistake again from EU.

  • Anonymous

    #67 by ergo

    - “Why? They’re a business like any other. making money is the number one function of a business. what exactly are you suggesting they do? become non-profit? turn a blind eye to the out-of-control theft of their products? What?” -

    I think what Chris is trying to express, is his contempt for how our world is becoming ever more capitalistic and socially unequal.
    For some people “piracy” or file sharing is a modern way for practicing socialistic way of thought. This is illegal as by the laws of intellectual property.

    With digitalization, the Internet and file sharing, The Recording Industry is becoming dispensable and superfluous. That is why the RIAA and the likes are being reluctant in reinventing themselves. They are complacent in their old fashioned ways of making money. They have no other concern than making the most amount of money possible. They make their money on the creative works in music and film, but damage that same creativity by restricting with copyrights. This is definitely not in the artist’s best interest.
    With their money they indirectly manipulate the law to their benefit, by lobbying and using lawyers in somewhat immoral ways.

  • Anonymous

    @70

    where do you draw the line on what amount of money constitutes a sum whereby employees can “afford to live”? before you answer, realize that a large demographic of people likely think YOU make too much money and could live off a lot less. your robin hood mindset collapses upon itself after tiniest iota of scrutiny is applied.

    “…by squeezing the public dry of every last penny through extortionate prices”

    god you thieves love to abuse that word: no one is “extorting” you, you overly dramatic little nancy boy. CD’s and movies are luxury items. you don’t need them to live and no one is forcing you to buy them. the fact that you think 99 cents a song and 12-15 dollars a CD is too much doesn’t give you ethical license to take something that was made to be sold.

    “Filesharing isn’t theft”

    you can suck the tit of semantics all you want, the fact is, downloading a copied file is taking something that doesn’t belong to you. Even if such copying doesn’t always equate to a lost sale, reason dictates that often enough it does, and the burden of that improvable concept should not be on the creators whose work is being illegally distributed and consumed by self-entitled, anarchist nerds.

  • Roze

    @77
    “reason dictates that often enough it does”
    Hahahahahaha I loved how you wrote that with a straight face. That was just too funny. You, the more reasonable one? Who wants to turn the entire internet into a police state? You, who wants to take away everybody’s freedoms, and establish a tyranny in its place? You must be one of those people who support dictators and say that freedom and democracy is all “anarchy.” Whatever, tyrant, just remember: one day, tyranny will fall. Your parricidal schemes will receive their just reward, you bloody despot.

    Roze

  • Anonymous

    I’m French, and like most of others non-retarded french internet users, I can’t stand anymore of Sarkozy’s politic and his obsession to want absolutly controling internet.

    This idiot really pisses us off, and makes us ashamed.

    So, for some of you, don’t make stupid generalisations like “French always think they have to be different” or “the french do what they want and dont care about anyone else”, through the action of one “man”…

  • Josh

    He’s French, of course he would surrender… pussy.

  • Eggorist

    And now you know how all this talk works.
    Its cheap and gets us no where.

    you ask me they NEED to KNOW WE ARE THE MAJORITY

    Quit being lame and get more active against actors , and musicians.

    THE HELL WITH ALL OF THEM

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous: “where do you draw the line on what amount of money constitutes a sum whereby employees can “afford to live”?”

    Enough to afford steady food and a roof over your head, you God damn fool. What do you think “affording to live” means, Evian bottled water and weekly shopping sprees at the Gap?

    Anonymous: “before you answer, realize that a large demographic of people likely think YOU make too much money and could live off a lot less”

    Considering that my diet is about on par with most starving Ethiopians(or Al Bundy, take your pick), I think a larger demographic of people would likely call you an utter dipshit than accuse me of living too high off the hog.

    Anonymous: “god you thieves love to abuse that word: no one is “extorting” you”

    Haha.

    What gravitas does being called a “thief” possess, coming from a mental cripple to which the concept of theft eludes all comprehension?

    And speaking of extortion, charging $10 to $20 for a CD that cost fractions of a penny to manufecture is a textbook case of extortionate pricing. I suggest cracking open a dictionary sometime, or are you still struggling to move up from picturebooks? Judging from your comments, I’d say yes.

    Anonymous: “the fact that you think 99 cents a song and 12-15 dollars a CD is too much doesn’t give you ethical license to take something that was made to be sold.”

    Oh, please. Save your crocodile tears for somebody more gullible. Filesharing stands on such higher ethical ground than the business practices of the RIAA do, that if the simple act of sharing some copyrighted MP3 offends your sensibilities, then you’d be out burning effigies of RIAA executives on your front lawn, daily.

    Anonymous: “you can suck the tit of semantics all you want, the fact is, downloading a copied file is taking something that doesn’t belong to you.”

    Give it up, Retarded Wonder. Filesharing isn’t even theft in the eyes of the law.

    You’re the only one here playing semantics. And you’re doing a bad job of it, too.

    Anonymous: “self-entitled, anarchist nerds.”

    I could download for free the entire media collection that you payed for with wads of your hard earned cash.

    Now deal with it.

    Jealousy is so blasé.

  • Eggorist

    no copying is not theft by that reason then life itself is theft, as cells copy and divide they do so freely it is the law of nature.

    What is piracy? It is mans readjustment of the fact that corporations are changing too much and smart people circumvent there attempts at facist controls of said wealth.

    YUP its getting clos to that time to rise up and toss out the facists again. and this time OUTLAW there ability to have ANY RIGHTS.

    WE OUTTED HITLER , NOW ITS YOUR TURN.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks to josh for perfectly having maked the demonstration of a retarded racist / hater.

  • Anonymous

    “Enough to afford steady food and a roof over your head, you God damn fool. What do you think “affording to live” means?”
    ————————————

    so…no luxury items at all? just food and shelter? everyone makes the same amount of money? i’m just trying to pinpoint your idiot opinion, so far it sounds a lot like communism…

    ————————————
    “Considering that my diet is about on par with most starving Ethiopians(or Al Bundy, take your pick), I think a larger demographic of people would likely call you an utter dipshit than accuse me of living too high off the hog.”
    ————————————

    and yet…here you are on an internet connection with time to chat idly on a message board. Starving Ethiopians think YOU make too much money if you can afford an internet connection. As soon as you point your little robin hood finger at some fat cat business man, someone else is pointing their finger at you. immediate fail.

    ————————————
    “And speaking of extortion, charging $10 to $20 for a CD that cost fractions of a penny to manufecture is a textbook case of extortionate pricing.”
    ————————————

    yeah, because the only cost in producing an album is the eventual manufacturing of the CD’s…stop being a moron.

    ————————————
    “You’re the only one here playing semantics. And you’re doing a bad job of it, too.”
    ————————————

    saying piracy is taking something that isn’t yours isn’t playing with semantics, lol, it’s just plain talk. are you using words you don’t know the meaning of?

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    “I could download for free the entire media collection that you payed for with wads of your hard earned cash.”
    ————————————

    that’s fine. i supported the creators whose work i admire and want to see more of, you parasitically fed off them and then tried to justify it with laughable reasoning…

    ————————————
    “no copying is not theft by that reason then life itself is theft, as cells copy and divide they do so freely it is the law of nature.”
    ————————————

    oh my god, this takes the cake for hilariously inept justifications, rofl. absolutely classic.

  • Anonymous

    the simple fact that you compare hitler to the entertainment companies guarantees you are no older than sixteen.

  • @68 – i’m not surprised

    idiot
    france is the second contributor to eu’s finances

    if there’s a leech, it’s called great brittain.

  • http://www.torrentfreak.com enigmax

    @cbgb

    you said: “So sad people are gonna read this article and not all the comments… the article is right but the author totally ignore the fact that this amendement is going to be re run and will win this time.”

    I guess you completely missed this sentence in the article:

    “Not all is lost though, the amendment might pass in January or February 2009, when it will be proposed again.”

  • Anonymous


    ————————————
    “no copying is not theft by that reason then life itself is theft, as cells copy and divide they do so freely it is the law of nature.”
    ————————————

    oh my god, this takes the cake for hilariously inept justifications, rofl. absolutely classic.

    Please do explain your capitalistic merit, so we can get beyond the throwing of insults.

  • TerribleTony

    Sarkozy the right wing-nut.

  • Roze

    @89
    You are an idiot anyways. Why should anything get beyond throwing insults? There is no point talking with idiots; the only good thing that can come out of it is through combating you idiots. No explaining will get through your thick skull, so the best thing is to insult you. Tyrants will always be tyrants. The only way to deal with them is to take them down.

    Roze

  • Anonymous

    Roze, did you forget to take your meds again? you’ve never explained anything short of repeating your usual mantra of “culture this, culture that” which even your pirate cohorts don’t understand because…

    it doesn’t make any sense.

    P.S: i see that you took my advice and aborted that ridiculous website of yours. good job.

  • #89

    @91 Roze

    “You are an idiot anyways.”

    Why are you calling me an idiot? Does being just a little bit diplomatic make no sense to you? I think you have misunderstood my writing.
    -
    “Why should anything get beyond throwing insults?”

    What’s your point in asking this seemingly philosophic question? Are you trying to lead us into a dark and confusing line of thought, opposing the relatively pragmatic TorrentFreak comment-section?
    -
    “There is no point talking with idiots; the only good thing that can come out of it is through combating you idiots. No explaining will get through your thick skull, so the best thing is to insult you. Tyrants will always be tyrants. The only way to deal with them is to take them down.”

    It sounds like a lot of people are idiots to you, probably including the majority of people in power. If this is the case there is plenty of interest in talking with the idiots. You will most likely want to kill all of those idiots to “deal with them”, but this isn’t something realistically possible.
    I don’t believe you completely oppose rationality and humanism. Your reason for supporting this militant attitude is that you see “Piracy” or file sharing as a great new idea, and possibly a way to support socialism. To get anywhere you have to be understanding and put yourself in the, in my opinion, mislead capitalists point of view, as these people make out the majority of the leaders in society.

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  • Anonymous

    @9 “This isnt a democracy… damn the idiots there they deserve to be shot as it goes against ewhat they stand for…”

    You said it for me mate, this makes me so mad. i can’t believe shit like this isn’t on the news… well yeah i can but its a shame :(

    f**k the human race. we are a failing species.

  • Anonymous

    Luckely the lifespan of a EU Presidency is way shorter then that of a US President, much less time to cause permantent damage!

  • Roze

    @93
    You are just a single person. A single person is unimportant. Why is there a need to be diplomatic about a single person? Besides, I am a single person as well. Perhaps large groups need to be diplomatic towards large groups, but not individual-to-individual. As such, there is no need for diplomacy; only insults.

    Roze

  • Anonymous

    Roze, you’re still not making any sense. You never provide reasons for your opinions you just make statements as if the reasons are inherent but with you, because of some unfortunate combination of drug addiction and genetic disorders, they aren’t.

    START. BACKING. UP. YOUR. OPINIONS.

  • Anonymous

    @93 Roze

    “You are just a single person. A single person is unimportant. Why is there a need to be diplomatic about a single person? Besides, I am a single person as well.”

    You can argue that a greater number of the population is relatively unimportant. But there are indeed single persons with substantial influence.

    “Perhaps large groups need to be diplomatic towards large groups, but not individual-to-individual. As such, there is no need for diplomacy; only insults.”

    Please explain yourself further; I’m not sure I follow your thought. How can a dispute have any hope of compromise, with neither of the parts having sympathy for the other?
    I think you need to revise your logic to at least have some elements of empathy.

  • Anonymous

    Sarkozy = french Bush

  • Anonymous

    The above post is of course meant for #96 by Roze, and not “@93 Roze”.

  • kingreech

    write to your MPs – now.

  • Roze

    @98 Dec 02, 2008 at 20:05 by Anonymous
    Maybe so, but I must also say that I do not think of myself as important enough a person, such that I have to be careful and diplomatic about everything.

    Firstly, you may think it is important for me to conduct myself, but I disagree. I do not seek to be the politician. I have a better impression of Rosa Parks than JFK. I have a better impression of John Brown than Stephen Douglas. There is also the impression of the French Revolution in my mind. These things, the French Revolution, the Civil War, the Civil Rights Movement – where is the compromise, the empathy for the tyrants, the slave-holders, the racists? There is no sympathy. Compromise is not the way to do things. There is no compromise with tyrants, with racists, with slave-holders. The only way to deal with them is through the force of the popular will.

    Roze

  • Gab

    Well, Sarkozy is a dictator, just like his mentor, Berlusconi (whose company Mediaset sued YouTube for something like 500 millions €), while Obama understands present times, he talks to people using the Internet, uses Creative Commons, here in Europe we’re back to witch hunt!

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