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Anti-Piracy Group Wants To Ban You From Talking About Usenet

The first rule of Usenet is, you don’t talk about Usenet. This rule kept Usenet providers and users out of sight from anti-piracy organizations for years. Ironically, the Dutch anti-piracy outfit BREIN are now the first ones trying to enforce this rule in court.

The Usenet community FTD allows its nearly half a million members to discuss and report the location of material they find on Usenet, without explicitly linking to copyrighted content. The operators of the site see no harm in what they do, but according to Dutch anti-piracy organization BREIN, online communities should not be entitled to allow these kinds of discussions on their websites.

Talking about copyrighted content on Usenet is illegal they argue, and BREIN wants FTD to be shut down for allowing this. The newsgroup community, however, is not prepared to tolerate BREIN’s accusations and has decided to take action. Earlier this year FTD took BREIN to court, demanding that it should retract its numerous statements that FTD operates illegally.

In a letter to the court in this ongoing case, FTD’s lawyer Arnoud Engelfriet stated yesterday that BREIN is going too far with its statements. Downloading copyrighted files and music for personal use is perfectly legal in The Netherlands, so he sees no reason why merely talking about it should be illegal.

FTD users do not ‘make files available’ and are therefore not acting against the law. “Hyperlinks, torrents, NZB-files or other technical possibilities to download copyrighted works are not provided. BREIN says in effect that it should be forbidden to talk about downloading material,” Engelfriet added.

Undeterred, BREIN maintained their stance and declared FTD a criminal operation. In a counter-claim against FTD, the anti-piracy outfit has demanded $70,000 a day in penalties if the Usenet chatter continues.

Needless to say, if BREIN wins their case this will have serious implications for many other websites and communities, including TorrentFreak. Simply mentioning that a movie such as 2012 can be downloaded through BitTorrent would no longer be allowed according to Engelfriet.

FTD’s lawyer is confident about the positive outcome of the case, arguing that FTD is operating within the boundaries of Dutch copyright law.

“We fully expect to win our case. BREIN is big on statements but often short on facts and legal arguments to back them up,” Engelfriet told TorrentFreak earlier, adding that they “have the law and the facts” on their side.

The verdict in this case is expected to be announced sometime next year. Until then, here’s our Usenet tutorial.

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  • Aliandro

    I can’t wait until the titan of ignorance falls…

  • nah in bmore

    yea Usenet will probraly never catch on because of its complexity ansd money requirements….most simple people who pay user hotfile, megaupload,megashare,filefactory,uploading,novaup etc…

    not usenet…usenet still has some relative obscurity….do to the complexity.

  • politux

    Thought crime much?

  • meh

    Lol and people wonder why we want to stop these criminals…

    Oh btw no talking about cars either.. Those are copyrighted trademarks..

    Also no laughter or joy of any sort.

    That is all.

  • Old Timer

    What about free speech? So what they are arguing is that you can’t do something like this?

    http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=complete+disney+movie+collection+&meta=&aq=6&oq=

  • Capn

    So liek, I hurd thar was this rode whar u liek driev rly fast nd liek no cawpz r ther to stop u. nd liek it tottly ez 2 do.

    Oh shit, am I in trouble now?

  • Nobby

    And no writing any words, as they may have been used in a copyrighted song.

  • Wolfy

    someone please explain to me why ftd is being targeted like this. At the moment, I am a rapidshare customer. I look at forums where people have posted hyperlinks to the rapidshare servers where copyrighted works are being stored. I then download them for my own personal use, and maybe one other friend if he’s interested.
    What do you do with usenet? Is it like a torrent program or a download accelerator?

  • Sketch@1337x.org

    Jesus Harrison Christ…….

    You’ve gotta be kidding me.

  • Sketch@1337x.org

    I’m still pissed off…….

    Why doesnt Brein take absurdity to its ultimate conclusion, why not declare the internet illegal and have it shut down…..?

  • BelzeBob

    That’s farking it!!!

    How long are we going to take shit from a shitty little bunch of layers in a shitty little country below sea level.

    With a bit of luck, sombody pisses in the public pool and the entire country gets submerged.

    What do you call 10 BREIN lawyers in a pool of piss? Extra flavor.

  • Scary

    This is becomming surreal. I’d like to see the judge who would enforce this. On the other hand, there’s still some states in the US where Oral Sex is against the law…

    We must stop these opportunist little rats from spreading their legal disease acros the face of the globe.

    I hereby demand 180.000.000€ per half hour from BREIN until they collectively kill themselves using a wet newspaper.

  • Scary II

    We must stop these opportunist little rats from spreading their legal disease acros the face of the globe.

    I hereby demand 180.000.000€ per half hour from BREIN until they collectively kill themselves using a wet newspaper.

  • Wolfy

    @Scary II

    And the beauty of your statement is that since you announce it through a forum, like the MAFIAA lawyers did through Twitter, it should have the same legal privileges. After all, your demands and theirs are both unenforceable and quite pointless, but what the hey! Its not like courts have ever had a modicum of common sense!

  • mister_playboy

    Why would this case have any implication for TorrentFreak? This website does not appear to be hosted in the Netherlands… one of the staff is Dutch, I guess?

  • The Power of the Magic Poodle

    I was cooking some trout the other day from a copyrighted recipe, and shortly afterward, had some Feds arrive at my door answering a neighbour’s call that they smelled something fishy.
    They had a search warrant and searched my kitchen for the recipe which was encrypted on my laptop. They insisted I decrypt it or face confiscation and stiffer penalties.

    The embarrassment of them laughing at my nude Martha Steward desktop wallpaper and a photo of me nude dressed only in a pink and frilly apron was all I could bear.

  • tophing

    lol @ 15

  • The Power of the Magic Poodle

    At one point, I said, “Do you know who I am?!”
    They laughed and said, “Who?”
    And I said, “I’m The Power of the Magic Poodle! On TorrentFreak!”

  • MissedMemories

    Hai hai…

    Fastest way to stop THOSE … guys? Stop downloading copyrighted stuff.. Publishers won’t need ‘em to check that stuff, and they’ll go to hell :/

    Now, Without kidding (that was a joke, come on). Just… let them know how to fail big time.

  • Anonymous

    What about FREE SPEECH?

  • Lex

    its not only usenet, the want a complete ban about talking about ilegaal downloads

  • anon2

    why doesn’t this bunch of w*****s take over the whole internet then the whole world! they are not gonna be content until no one is allowed to do anything, anywhere at any time without their explicit permission! and to top it all, the world’s governments are allowing them to get away with this. wait until it is too late and then the morons in charge of each country will realise what they have done. talk about 1984 syndrome!!

  • Wolfy

    Downloading copyrighted works is illegal.

    Now, arrest me for writing that sentence. PLEASE!!!!! Even though I’m in a different country, you can’t identify me, and would have to go through all sorts of sh*t to extradite me.

  • Reasoned Mind

    Well pirates do what they do- plundering and pillaging generous artists’ hard work and toil- so BREIN and the rest of their supportive industry has no choice. What would artists do without their associations in the face of such overwhelming pirate-mind criminality? If pirates like the art movies and music so much, they should pay for it or download some other free and lesser quality crap from some starving Joe Shmoe.

  • Al

    So… If this was successful, in theory, eventually, Torrentfreak could be shut down for similar reasons…

    It’s worrying that it could become illegal to talk about certain things.

  • \\.neo.styles|sSG

    Frivolous lawsuits much? It’s well known that Usenet is a huge conduit for piracy. Piracy is starting to look a lot like Scientology in that is more than willing to use lawsuits to silence the people who draw attention to it’s illegal nature.

  • Anonymous

    Is it just me, or is this absolutely ridiculous?

  • Arnold

    BREIN is really pushing their limits too far!
    Eventually they will seek out ways to make oxygen illegal.
    Yes, even the air you breathe will have a price!

    It’s time to take action and fight back BREIN with all we’ve got before they start invading China and instigating World War 3.

  • FREEdom.fighter

    @14 It would effect torrentfreak because it would set a potential international precedent about the power of a corporate organization to limit the rights of internet speech. Right now, at least in America, it is legal to explain how to make a bomb. This information may be shared freely, you might be investigated, but it is not a crime to explain the application of ingredients and methods to make explosives. If, however, BREIN’s hopes come to fruition, it would set a precedent which would clearly state the illegality of discussing illegal actions. This would precedent could then in turn be used to enforce other cases by other organizations to remove other information from the web. Articles on torrentfreak like the one about put.io, or ones containing comments about using swarms or darknets, or forums discussing trading invites to private trackers would all fall under that category of illegal discussion. It’s not that BREIN is an initial threat to torrentfreak, but if they succeed in this case, it would be possible for other groups (such as the MPAA or RIAA) to make similar claims in other countries, and sites like torrentfreak, which seek to inform about an important issue in modern culture, could be shut down for handing out information about acts of questionable legality. It all comes down to precedent.

  • Glemball

    This is the kind of stuff that turns ordinary people into fighters,being targeted time and time again,pushed up against the wall until they fight back.Have these people no idea what they might start.So lets say we pick a time a day a site and start to play then tomorrow another then another.Do you think we will just go away and let you control one of the last freedoms there is? SHAME ON YOU!!!!

  • None

    @23 Reasoned Mind:

    You’re off-topic and missed the point (big surprise coming from you, I know.) The subject at hand is discussion and speech, not any actual act taking place. People are free to talk about and write about anything they want, but people like you seem to think free speech only applies to what you deem fit to be discussed.
    You sure do love the word ‘pirate’ though, I’ll give you that :)
    As usual, your comments are a waste of time and your efforts are bearing no fruit.

  • zarathustra

    If the ‘First Rule of Usenet’ is that you don’t talk about Usenet, then why are TF poasting about Usenet?

    Please guys, let’s keep everyone thinking that Usenet is UseneXt & (hopefully) it’ll remain under the radar & in obscurity…

  • Raisin Mindless

    Please stop feeding the fucking trolls & MAFIAA shills.

    You feed them – they stay.
    You ignore them – they go away.

  • Anonymous

    @The Power of the Magic Poodle

    You said “do you know who I am?”
    They said ” this guy doesn’t know who he is” :P

  • Xcel

    What a joke, talk about a “frivolous” lawsuit…..

    Great finish Ernesto, with the tutorial…LMAO

  • Mark

    These is just ridiculous!
    They will stop at anything so long as there no piracy.

  • Anonymous

    “With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.”

  • FREEdom.fighter

    @23 Reasoned Mind:
    I see your points, but here’s the problem with your post: You ask what the artists would do without the support of their associations against pirate-minded individuals. The fact of that matter is that the associations are the single greatest producer of enmity between artists and users. Associations, not artists, are attacking individuals because associations, not artists, are losing money. Most artists today do not make money from record sales. They make money from live shows and merchandise sales. Check torrentfreak’s poll on why people use bittorrent protocols. While the area of “because it’s free” has the highest single percentage, it in no way holds a majority, and compared to the other non-industry-damaging uses, it is menial. And, one must also take into account the fact that many of the items pirated are items that would not otherwise have been bought. The only reason for the possession is because of the lack of cost. Cost is a deterrent. So, and this holds for movies as well as music, piracy simply adds to market presence and allows for things to be more widely recognized and supported. Beyond that you also have to realize that it is the associations, not the artists, who are attacking community with industry. The two are opposites. In the past copyright law has always found a middle ground. Book printing was a pirate enterprise, Radio was a pirate enterprise, Hollywood was a pirate enterprise, Television was a pirate enterprise, Cable was a pirate enterprise. These things which have contributed hugely to the culture of the world were all at one point declared illegal by the pre-existing industry. Every time a balance has been struck between old industry and innovative new technology and methods. The problem with digital piracy and copyright violation is that there has yet to be a proposed, fair, middle-ground. Every one seems to be very one sided about the topic. Industry refuses to adapt and instead attacks innovators and innovation, innovators in turn strike back. Until there is a balance struck, and both sides are forced to work in tandem with one another suits like this, over the freedom to even discuss things that are illegal, will continue to happen and wear away at our human culture of innovation and self-betterment. It’s not illegal to talk about marijuana in the US, it’s not illegal to talk about legalizing it. It should not be illegal to discuss torrents, and it should certainly not be illegal to discuss ways to change the current situation between torrents and industry. This suit CAN’T go through without changing fundamental aspects of the internet and freedoms of speech that are held almost globally.

  • www.bitsnoop.com

    @23 Dec 10, 2009 at 22:53 by Reasoned Mind

    Not only you post here without having a clue what’s the point of discussion (it’s free speech by the way).

    Every time you sound like an old recording – same words, same nonsense. Blah-blah, clean your hands, blah-blah, wipe your ass, blah-blah, pirates bad, blah-blah, money good.

    You, sir, are moron.

  • Dan

    bitsnoop we all have different thoughts.

    Piracy has always been around for many years and no one died of it. I won’t buy a CD knowing that the artist gets $1 or less out of it and the rest go to music industries.

  • Anonymous

    @Reasoned Mind
    “What would artists do without their associations in the face of such overwhelming pirate-mind criminality? ”

    Filesharing for personal use is legal in the Netherlands, DIPSHIT.

    Filesharing for personal use is legal in the Netherlands, DIPSHIT.

    Filesharing for personal use is legal in the Netherlands, DIPSHIT.

    Read that again and again until you finally comprehend it. “Pirate-mind criminality” doesn’t exist in the Netherlands since filesharing for personal use is legal there. Let me reiterate: DIPSHIT.

    The only possible criminality here is the level of stupidity displayed by BREIN. And to a slightly lesser extent, you… Especially for trying to imply that the copyright cartels are beneficial to the artists, contrary to the reality that while filesharers are out hypothetically stealing make-believe money according to an extremely broken train of logic invented by thieving label and studio execs, said cartels are robbing artists of very real money every day. Large sums of it, too.

    Oh, and you can quit your bullshit that the big mean filesharers are forcing the poor wittle industry to attempt to turn the Internet into a fascist, censored, and constantly monitored police state a la a virtual facsimile of Orwell’s 1984. That “reasoning” of yours is, has been, and always will be as backwards and asinine as claiming that the 110lb girl forced the 250lb football player to rape her by wearing a short skirt.

    Although I must admit there are certain dark corners of the Middle East where your kind of “reason” is accepted. However, this isn’t one of them.

    Playing blame-the-victim(s) to excuse your own sins does not fly here.

  • gorehound

    I have a much better idea.Instead of banning usenet why don’t all of you ban corporate studios music and films from your wallet.

    Buy Used stuff from corporate.
    Buy new from local and Indies.

    fuck Off Hollywood

  • lverona

    Actually, this is logical. If you want to control file sharing, eventually you would have to want to control flow of information in general – meaning, what people say.

    And that only shows that philosophically intellectual property is wrong. It is a concept that is unenforceable. If BREIN win or some other anti-file sharing outfit wins such a case, basically say bye-bye to freedom of speech. But this seems to be highly unlikely to happen.

  • Guilherme B

    DUDE I´M MAD AGAIN

    everytime that i came here (ie everyday) i got mad.

    what these guys want ?

    DIGITAL DICTATORSHIP

  • CDXX

    The courts have to be laughing at Brien… There is no way that this would ever be able to happen without a world wide uprising. You cannot take away people’s freedom of speech from places that fought hard for years to get that freedom. If the courts would even stop to think about this, many people in many places would get hurt. There would be complete anarchy. I have a felony(United States) for something stupid I did almost 10 years ago. I have lost a lot of my freedoms already, that I will never get back. So I’ll be GOD-DAMNED, if I get my freedom of speech taken away, whether on the internet or in life in general. I would fight to the death for this…

    oh, and Reasoned Mind, why don’t you move to China. They are Communists just like you.

  • Anonymous

    @’Reasoned.Mind|neodork|SG1′

    you guys are both broken records get a real job instead of stupidly posting here about your worthless point of view.

  • :-)

    ok so if talking about illigal stuff is illigal, then we have to completely ban the news and movies and everything else that shows something illigal in it. ultimate foot in mouth.

  • Anonymous

    I’m Dutch, and I think this little club (BREIN) is making us all look like idiots.

  • nnsa

    1984

  • UltraLeetJ

    love it. Imma take that tutorial and put copies of it everywhere. Those idiots don’t have control over the entire internet and i’ll make proof of that.

  • JTK

    LMAO!

    I assume this is s joke, right?

    Hey, you can’t talk about terrorism, you evil news presenters, if you do then you must be one yourself!

    Freedom of speech? What’s that?

  • jw

    brein, just bring it on, and thankyou for this… you’re succeeding in making yourselves looking like a bunch of clowns that in no way should be taken even slightly seriously, anywhere in the world… keep up the good work (:

    hopefully all the other idiot mafiaa organizations will be tarred by the same brush as well (:

  • This doesn’t even make sense, I mean they want to make it ilegal to talk about downloading things. Doesn’t BREIN talk a lot about that? And how wil they sue someone for downloading things if they can’t even talk about it?
    Let me guess the normal internet users won’t be allowed but the people like BREIN will.

    Hypocrites

  • countdown

    3…2…1…You know who you are. TAKE BREIN OUT!!!

  • Anonymous

    Even the worst judge would notice this is clearly a violation of free speech.

  • jon7272

    talking about it might get the non dowloaders to thinking brein are a laughable organisation power to the people scares the big companies if the public no longer give a stuff about downloading brein has lost lol keep talking guys. brein can kiss my butt lmfao.

  • Just a reminder

    For Disillusioned Mind and .\\neo.na.zi|sSGuard

    Record Labels Face $6 Billion Damages for Pirating Artists

  • dood

    does this mean they would also like to ban torrentfreak ?

  • Borderliner

    Seems to be the trend lately – starting from the wrong end. Why kill off Usenet (where the files are distributed) when you can stop one group of people mentioning it (all the while other groups keep using it), why stop insiders leaking stuff to the Scene when you can scare the enduser into not downloading (ignoring the fact that stuff keeps getting leaked, regardless wether the common netizens download it)…

  • Bulldog

    (Wimpers like a puppy at thought of poodle in pink and frilly apron, runs in circles, then passes out.)

  • Creams

    Complete joke.

    I hope those morons get some sense as to what they claim is completely absurd.

    Simply will get turned down in a matter of minutes with a decent court.

    Like lets fine and ban Google as well because I can type in anything I like.

  • Brandon

    BREIN = Bunch of clowns in suits…

    LMAO….

  • ban the world?

    so you want to ban great sites like torrentfreak and from people discussing the news? Why don’t use ED2K network? No need for trackers just links…

  • zeebart

    @24 Reasoned Mind

    are you for real? no choice, of what? fighting a losing battle…you have to be kidding if you believe that crap…good luck looking into my hdd ;)

  • Pnon

    A total marriage of Kommunism and Shariah Laws…

  • Bittorrent Up

    China in a frenzy: “Anticipated Closure of BitTorrent Sites Spurs Panic Downloads In China” http://bit.ly/4Lk2L0 @ http://www.twitter.com/overnetuser

  • Anonymous

    This pieces of shit of entertainement parasites are trying to make the law now. They are geting worst and worst!

  • lol

    ReasonedMind and Neostyles, are you so ignorant that you can’t understand the laws of a country that is not your own? Or are you wanting a world wide dictatorship? Where one word is law no matter what? Sure artists do deserve to be paid for their works, but shouldn’t that be up to the artist to decide how much he she or they should be paid, and not one group of people who don’t even give the artists what they are due? How can you justify saying that the anti piracy group fines that they impose on people are fair and just, when they do not give the artists any of that money? When they claim it is for their benefit, isn’t that no different than 1 person downloading some mp3′s or a movie. One person downloads Insomnia by Faithless gets fine $1000 dollars Faithless see ZERO dollars the actual loss of money from that single download is $3, yet the download of that one song is the reason they lost money? Your arguements make no sense, just like banning people from talking about a website. BRIEN are retarded anyone who agrees with this is just a plain stupid troll who is only here to cause trouble. YOU CAN NOT BAN PEOPLE FROM SPEAKING.

  • Reasoned Mind

    I’m sure the artists have the 6 billion all wrong and everything will be worked out behind the scenes. Pretty simple stuff except for the legally-clueless, like pirates of course, the real theives. At least the corporations are above board, pirates just lurk in the shadows, as they make plays of moral superiority.

    Once all the pirates get what they deserve, then the entertainment industries and rest of the world can get back to business.

  • \\.neo.styles|sSG

    @ Reasoned Mind:

    I can’t disagree with you. Piracy is destroying so many livelihoods that it’s only fair to take aim at the root cause.
    Obviously there’s a war going on that pirates started with Napster.

  • Cyko_01

    you may have the law and the facts on your side, but they have the judges on theres

  • Daemon_ZOGG

    BREIN & IFPI are a bunch of NAZI Buttholes! Screw’em…
    Lacking the ability to adapt to a fundamental need results in what you see now.
    Until the Industry learns to be flexible and adapts to new business models to keep up with demand at a reasonable price.. I encourage Media Pirates worldwide to keep up their great efforts to satisfy a growing demand. Some would say “Stop right where you are! You know the score! If your not cop, your little people”. Well.. last time I checked, there are a lot more little people than cop! ..GAME ON!
    ;D
    };>

  • dandarandandan

    @ Reasoned Mind & \\.neo.styles|sSG

    That is no reason to start abuse. As far as morals go, impeding free speech is not for the greater good. In fact, it ain’t good at all.

    If Brein succeeds, they will have introduced a whole new set of actions that are subject to misguided use. This will hurt the world, not just pirates.

  • netspace_customer

    “The verdict in this case is expected to be announced sometime next year. Until then, here’s our Usenet tutorial.”

    XD LOL nice touch

  • indeed 1984

    Yes someone at BREIN must have found a free version of 1984 by Geroge Orwell, on the net, and thought, “hey we can use some of these ideas, just like North Korea used “1984″ as a template for their control of the masses”.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, neo.na.zi and raisin mind sure like to stroke each other! Do you guys use lotion or what?

  • Anonymous

    Quiet Everyone, Brein says no talking about this newfangled internet device.

  • Reasoned Mind

    Pirate free speech is criminal-intent speech. Big difference. You aren’t free to slander, are you? Didn’t think so.

  • A non mouse

    Stop breathing my air Reasoned Mind and neo.nut.case!

  • Calum

    Usenet is so fun I like to talk about it. :D this is the best publicity Usenet has gotten in a while.

  • lkefv

    I think neo.na.zi and raisin mind are gays. They love tucking into each other asses :)

  • Cujo

    now we’re going to have to encrypt our bloging!!

    ).”#!..’;.[[^-\:_”|,

    did u guys get that? :D

  • Al Koholic

    Hey BREIN why not sue everyone in the world for breathing? If we can’t breath we can’t supposedly infringe. BREIN=Boring Retarded Enslaved Imbecile Nuts.

  • Anonymous

    If it isn’t already painfully obvious at this point, let me just point out that Reasoned Mind and Neostyles are the same person.

    Which makes comment #70 very sad.

  • asdf

    Yeah, reason-troll and neo-troll are fapping together, how obvious.

    As for the BREIN’s idea – well, Monty Python would feel proud of such idiotic sketch.
    “-I’m speaking about downloading… the files… oh, you know?”
    “-Wink-wink, nudge-nudge, say no more!”

  • OMG

    Tomorrow to be safe they are gonna sue every site that has word’s starting with letters “B” and “T”.

  • FREEdom.fighter

    @Reasoned Mind: You say it is criminal-intent speech. You have to understand that it is not a crime in the Netherlands. Therefor, no criminal intent. You cannot work on a purely ethnocentric basis, you have to judge by the laws of the nation what is legal an illegal, because that’s what defines it. So, BREIN is not protecting artists, it’s attacking citizens. Banning knowledge is a signature move of totalitarian governments of all kinds, socialist, facist, religious. It also just so happens that the initial response of a population is to rebel against orders that do not line up with common sense. The freedom of speech is a right guaranteed in Holland, and the Dutch also state in their laws that file-sharing for personal use is not illegal. If no law is broken, no suit may be made, and if speech is free, than it cannot be stopped unless you are causing immediate danger to some one. Also, the statement that the claims by the artists “must be a mistake” is not only closed minded and arrogant, it’s foolish. Why would artists who are supposed to be represented by these organizations sue them without being sure? Don’t make unreasonable attacks on the intelligence of the artists you claim are so damaged by piracy.

    @ \\.neo.styles|sSG The war did not begin with napster, as napster was not an attack on copyright or artists or anything, it was tinkering with new technology. The war began when the industry decided to attack the users of napster instead of trying to create a new model for content distribution. Get your facts straight and stop repeating everything the major labels tell you. Educate your self before attempting to educate others or making claims that are inaccurate.

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  • Jeroen

    I could talk about usenet all day, and thats what I am going to do, today at skoel!

  • john doe

    @80 “Pirate free speech is criminal-intent speech.”

    Sense… this comment makes none.

  • jack

    Look, lets not get distracted here. This is thought crime bullshit(@reasoned mind)This might fly in communist china, but not globally. Musicians can make more cash using today’s technology without the middle man. Who indecently has actually fucked themselves at this point already http://torrentfreak.com/record-labels-face-60-billion-damages-for-pirating-artists-091207/

    You are our local industry shill, speak to that if you have the nutsack.

    Folks can run Ubuntu, produce their own music, send it up the pipe and call it a day. Get over it, you lost and its your own fucking fault.

    Media is getting mashed up, rolled up, and shoved up your ass. Had you not insisted on suing your own clients we may have taken it easy on you. However…….

    J.

  • jack

    Sorry for making the TF server have to moderate my post :) I trust I will see it when I wake up.

    J. Last time I use my moniker as well. Next post will provide my real name and a solution to the problem. As obvious as it is to most of us.

  • Wolfy

    “Talking about copyrighted content is illegal”

    Let’s say it is illegal, hypothetically. Then, they wouldn’t be able to advertise their copyrighted products, thus no-one would know about them, thus no-one would buy them. Hey, guys, The Dark Knight is out on blu-ray and dvd. Oh shit, we weren’t supposed to say that. The copyright owners feel that I must be a pirate now, so they should sue me, and make sure I’m put in jail.

    Surely in response, we can counter-sue for infringement of basic human rights?

  • lverona

    “Let’s say it is illegal, hypothetically. Then, they wouldn’t be able to advertise their copyrighted products, thus no-one would know about them, thus no-one would buy them.”

    It is legal to talk about them if you have a license. Advertisers usually do!

  • Fuck, dawg

    This is frivolous litigation. I could post a comprehensive guide on how to murder somebody (particularly Tim Kuik) and not break the law.

    But talking about file sharing? Oh gawd, somebody call the police.

  • X

    This will be about as effective as forcing Mininova to stop indexing “infringing” torrents

    (which btw, didn’t actually infringe copyright because they were not a representation of the original content).

    Anyway, keep shooting the industries you represent in the foot BREIN, we boycott them, you profit from their stupidity, laws are made which everyone ignores, sites are closed which don’t make any difference… we’re all happy, kinda.

    Thanks for the lulz.

  • X

    @Neo…

    Before Napster there were ratio FTPs, Hotline Connect servers and even newsgroups… and before the internet we used BBSs which we dialed directly into (or boxed our way into for free!)

    We won this “war” right from the start and although the individual can be taken down, NOTHING can or will stop the freedom of information (or “piracy” if you prefer to call it that).

    Lawyers, bribed politicians and judges, millions of dollars, companies like BREIN, etc… all will fail. Always has failed, always will fail.

    That is all.

  • Just some guy

    I think this is a great idea!

    Wait, hear me out. If it becomes illegal to mention where copyright materials can be downloaded (supposedly illegally), whenever an industry organization accuses, say, The Pirate Bay, of hosting said material, they themselves will be breaking the law by advertising to the world where copyrighted material may be obtained.

  • Shut

    Stop talking about stop talking about stop talking about … ad absurdum

  • EmEmDeeEee

    fail rule is fail

  • oddcat

    usenet predates the internet and it will outlive it too.

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  • zeebart

    @ 82 : LOL :)

  • anon

    to me usenet is more of a case of usenot. too expensive. megaupload and netload accounts give you unlimited download bandwidth, and links for nearly everything can be found with a few clicks following a google search.

  • long time usenet poster

    All this is not without irony. IMHO, those idiots who broke the first rule of Usenet, especially in the current hysterical climate, didn’t deserve it any better than getting sued (by BREIN or any other trigger happy litigator).

    Please guys, respect our netiquette and keep a low profile.

  • Anonymous

    Our freedom of speech will get seriously fucked up if they can sue people for this.

  • Capn

    @Reasoned – Of course $6bill is not what the ultimate payout will be for their piracy. The reason that number exists is because the plaintiffs in this case took the number used by CRIA and RIAA to sue individuals and turn it around. It isn’t what they’re seeking, they’re just dishing out a low blow to how immoral and unjust their claims are.

    However, being a record label doesn’t make you above anyone. They wouldn’t exist without the artists and that is fact. They’ve done something much worse than the majority of “pirates” as you label them have. Because on one side you have people who download for personal use, and then you have them who steal for profit. Once you are using illegal works for PROFIT then it matters.

    And saying that it was a misunderstanding is dumb. They’ve sat on this “Pending” list for two decades! It’ll take a blind man not to see the lack of intent.

    Regardless, free speech is free speech. You can’t change that. Don’t try, you look like a moron.

    Just remember this: your facts are bias because they don’t come from a publicly speaking majority. Your “facts” come from the people with the potential to drop their bottom line. So how far can you trust them? Because last I checked >75% of statistics support BitTorrent and the FACT that major labels continue to increase profit.

    Here’s another fact: I’ve worked as a musician. I managed to LIVE OFF MY SALARY MADE FROM MERCH AND LIVE SHOWS. What does this show? Labels do SHIT for the musicians who are talented enough. Know what works better than being propped up by hype, marketing and computer altered sound? Talent.

  • Anonymous

    Reason Mind – your name sounds like the movie (A Beautiful Mind)

    Neo Styles – your name sounds like a famous character played by Keanu Reeves in the movie The Matrix

    You are hereby summoned to court under the BREIN law, and fined 20000 euro’s for copyright infringement of using famous names of well established movies.
    If you don’t agree to pay for the use of your copyright screen names, we have every right to enter your home and arrest you!

    Sounds fair right?
    After all, it’s you two clowns that support BREIN, and yet still manage to break copyright infringements under the BREIN law with your screen names.

  • greadove

    uh. luv this :)

  • Brain

    you can all laugh,
    but BREIN get what its wants
    “Topic Closed”

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  • Xmas Spirit

    Won’t the court feel insulted by a request of a corporation to avoid other people to “speak” or write whatever they want?

  • ScrEw BreIn

    —Undeterred, BREIN maintained their stance and declared FTD a criminal operation. In a counter-claim against FTD, the anti-piracy outfit has demanded $70,000 a day in penalties if the Usenet chatter continues.
    ———————————–>

    This is just messed up BREIN seems to think they can sue someone thousands of dollars if they don’t compile. They are also doing this to the The Pirate Bay .. think this calls for a hackers to take down BREIN!! Show them they went way to far, and we fellow file shares will show him what happens to agency who try to police the internet!

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  • ViNi

    BREIN can pay me $70,000.00 a day and I promise I won’t talk about any copyrighted material!

  • ohabu

    Alright, I now have all the reasons I need to launch operation botnet. These people wants to fight the internet? Let’s see how they like the internet fighting them…

  • Manda

    I wish someone would put a bullet in Tim Kuik’s head already. About time us pirates took up arms. :)

  • Ivanovic

    @10 I agree with you.

    BREIN, you shall burn in hell!

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  • The Old Codger

    People

    Don’t listen to those asking you to keep your head down and not post your opinions.

    What we should do is shout it from the rooftops and educate the masses that have been brainwashed by the likes of Mandleson. Let them hear the truth

    Power to the people.

  • firekraqur.net

    BREIN, modern day Internet Fascist Nazis… go figure

  • darkchief

    Does typing count as talking?

  • Anonymous

    Since when was FTD ‘underground’? I’m from the Netherlands and me and all my friends use it, and gladly tell others about it, no secretive stuff going on. Slightly exaggerated article there…

  • irukandji

    How would they stop anyone from discussing something exactly? By making it illegal? Yeah, I know that’s how they got rid of all crack, heroin, and murder, but with stego anything is possible.

  • The Dude

    George Orwell is either laughing his ass off and saying “told you so”… or he is spinning in his grave, mortified (sic) that his nightmares have become reality.

    Double Plus Ungood.

  • It’s ME

    @Brain

    No.. BREIN will not win. They tried it on with a friend of mine for hosting a home forum for a P2P application, where discussions regarding copyright material is removed and frowned upon. BREIN backed down and he was awarded damages which were donated to charity.

  • Ninja

    You are kidding me… I’m completely shocked…

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  • moot#faggot

    Ya’ll be feedin’ the troll.

    I wonder how many people are actually using the Reasoned Mind name.

  • Trelew

    Read this article and got a shiver up my spine…this is amounts to ridding the world of free speech. Who needs Hitler & the SS, or Bin Laden & the Taliban, we have Big Business.

    Oh no, we can’t have any kind of conversation that piss off some corporate CEO. We must believe everything that the corporate powers-that-be spoon feed us through the media without question or we will be sued beyond our capacity to pay and hoisted up in effigy for all to see their abuse of power.

    Now don’t come down to hard on the corporate stooges like neo styles and Reasoned Mind. They are probably corporate PR guys paid to troll sites like this to spread the corporate propaganda.

    Unfortunately this issue is only the symptom. The real disease is corruption of our governments by corporations. We need to ban corporate lobbyist from the halls of government, hold our politicians and government bureaucrats accountable for the things they do; and remind them that they are there to watch out for the welfare of the people, not corporate welfare.

  • Annie Moose

    Oh, this is just absurd! What’s next, we won’t be able to say anything against the government? Maybe we won’t be able to protest? Maybe we should outright ban religion, personal tastes, and any opinions whatsoever, while we’re at it! I hate to be the “doom is coming” type, because I’ve always seen those people as wacko doomsayers, but… the things I’ve seen and heard happening over the past few months, I’m starting to wonder if maybe the wackos aren’t right.

    I know BREIN is Dutch, not American, but the fact that a group in a supposedly “free” country can even realistically suggest this scares me.

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