The Inside Story of the TV-Links Bust
Written by enigmax on November 21, 2008In October 2007, while most tech media attention was focused on the OiNK raid, another large site got police attention. TV-Links, which linked to videos on YouTube-like sites was raided and shutdown, with the admin arrested. A year later, we catch up with the ex-admin of TV-Links for the entire story.
When it became apparent that TV-Links.co.uk had been raided by police and the admin arrested, the news was met with some disbelief. TV-Links was a site that linked to videos that were hosted on video sharing sites like YouTube. It carried absolutely no illicit video content of its own.
Nevertheless, following an investigation by UK Trading Standards, the Federation Against Copyright Theft (FACT) and the police, the admin was arrested. At the time, FACT claimed that he was detained due to “offenses relating to the facilitation of copyright infringement on the Internet.” Except there was a problem.
There is no criminal offense of ‘facilitation of copyright infringement’ under English law. There would have been at least a civil offense if TV-Links had hosted the videos themselves, but they did not. Sites like YouTube and Dailymotion did, but the police or anti-piracy groups didn’t go after these giants. Indeed, the police themselves seemed to disagree with FACT’s reasoning for the raid, saying that the admin had been arrested for “supplying property with a registered trade mark without permission.”
…which raised another problem. The Trade Marks Act 1994 (specifically section 92) was designed to deal with physical, real-world counterfeit goods. Supplying links, if anything, could only be considered a service – definitely not a sale of physical goods. Getting a conviction on these grounds would be tricky, if not impossible. Considering the problems highlighted above, it’s no surprise that the TV-Links case has disappeared from the news radar.
TorrentFreak tracked down the now ex-admin of the site, 26 year-old Dave Rock, for the lowdown on this important case which seems to ask two questions: Can someone be held responsible when 3rd parties merely link to copyright works that are hosted by someone else, and furthermore, does this constitute a criminal offense under an act designed to protect physical goods?
It all starts on the morning of 18th October, just five days before the police raided OiNK. Dave had some unwanted visitors. At 06:20, two police officers, three FACT members, and around five Trading Standards officials descended on Dave’s home. Fortunately for him, in his case the media wasn’t tipped off, so there were no photographers and reporters outside his house. Alan Ellis of OiNK was not so lucky.
“The police and Trading Standards officers were always polite and professional, I wasn’t man handled like you see with the over acting police on the TV,” Dave told us. “I was arrested as soon as I opened the door, not cuffed and was allowed to grab a few bits, like my wallet and phone. They seized my laptop, my old PC and annoyingly, my girlfriends PC too, along with random CDs and four or five old hard drives, ranging between 8GB to 15gb.”
TV-Links Homepage (large)
When we asked Dave what was on the search warrant, he said: “They ticked Video Recording Act 1984 – Section 16A and Trade Marks Act 1994 – Section 93. But, thinking about some of the questions during the interview I got the impression they were looking for DVD copying kit or they hoped to find this type of thing. FACT’s website always boasts about DVD pirate busts.”
The police officers then took Dave to the station where he was questioned. Not by the police, but by people from Trading Standards and FACT, a well known private anti-piracy company-come-lobby group. Quite why a private company is allowed to directly question someone in a criminal case that they may wish to prosecute privately is another question, and one that many people will find unpalatable.
It seemed that both outfits were disappointed, they must have expected more than just hyperlinks. In common with thousands of forums around the world, Dave didn’t know any of the TV-Links staff personally, and obviously didn’t know anything about the users. Almost 75% of the site’s visitors came from China, 10% from the US and next popular was the UK, at just 3.8%. Hardly a threat to Great Britain Ltd, but of course the implication was that Dave was making money. The reality was that he was receiving around $2 to $5 per day in donations from random site users, which he used to cover the server costs.
After six hours, Dave was released – without being charged and with no restrictions. Now, well over a year later, not much has changed. For the last 6 months or so, Dave has had no contact with the police and no contact through his lawyer with FACT or (Gloucester) Trading Standards. In fact, GTS has no further involvement in the case and has deferred to FACT, just in case they want to make a private prosecution. But, everything has gone very quiet.
TorrentFreak asked Dave if it had ever been raised that he was arrested under laws ill-placed to deal with the situation. He told us, “When it comes to law there isn’t really any point arguing after the point, you need to concentrate on identifying [in this case] how FACT will interpret the current law and, if/when this ends up in court, how they will use it to their advantage.”
Until then, it just seems like a waiting game. “I guess you could call it being in limbo, but recently I haven’t given it much thought, I’m just getting on with my life,” Dave told us. “The only thing that’s a little annoying is that FACT still have all the gear seized by GTS, apparently they’ve been given it for “forensic analysis”. Do I hear you cry ‘breach of Data Protection Act‘, for passing private data to a private company? Again this is something we are still looking into.”
So how on earth did TV-Links end up on the radar in the first place? Why was such significance put on the site and why did the response include a raid with so many people in attendance from the police, government trading standards and Hollywood-funded private company FACT?
“One thing I’d like to mention, Gloucester Trading Standards were always polite and professional,” said Dave. “In my eyes they were led up the garden path by FACT. My personal opinion is that Gloucester Trading Standards were lead to believe I was copying and selling DVDs. But, when they entered my home they only found crappy old PC gear, Laptop and no DVDs, and lost all interest – if they were ever interested in the first place.”
Despite the lack of interest and indeed grounds for a conviction, it doesn’t change the fact that TV-Links is gone as a result of the above actions. Why did it even find a place in people’s lives in the first instance? Dave believes it’s down to sheer lack of choice. “TV-Links and other linking sites are only around because the big media companies haven’t supplied the viewing public with any viable alternatives, at least until recently in the UK. The BBC iPlayer is very good, but it’s a shame it’s only 7 days of TV.”
So, with the authorities backing away, what are the chances of TV-Links making a comeback? “Running the site did take up all of my free time, it was good fun running it but I’m happy I now have my evenings and weekends free,” Dave told us. He has no intention of bringing the site back, particularly since a TV-Links.co.uk replacement site popped up many months ago at TV-Links.ws.
Finally, when sites are busted, many people are interested in exactly how the owners were tracked down by the authorities. With TV-Links, the techniques weren’t mysterious at all. They didn’t need to be. The reason why it was so easy is the very reason Dave felt free to run the site in the first place:
“To be honest I didn’t really attempt to hide my ID, as under UK Law linking to another site isn’t illegal, so I didn’t see the need.”
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48 Responses
That really seems unfair. He’s innnocent so give him back his stuff!
QUOTE
“That really seems unfair. He’s innnocent so give him back his stuff!”
That is what i said when i was busted with pot.
Is this not typical? The big “content industry” continues to bend the laws to their corrupt will – and will continue to do so as long as the law is there.
The biggest problem I see is the lack of any public resistance. It seems like there are very few people out there who are willing to stand and say that it is just plain wrong for FACT to do this.
Roze
http://www.10ch.org/
“two police officers, three FACT members, and around five Trading Standards officials descended on Dave’s home. ”
The two police i can grudgingly understand, why the FUCK…oops, i meant FACT members? and “trading standards” officials?
Gimme a f*cking break. BASTARDS, the whole lot of them including the cops for going along with this sh!t.
I said that too but they said they smoked it all.
Poor old chap!
is it a torrentsite or is it like youtube, i don t get it
Unimi
http://5chan.ru
It was a site that had links to places like YouTube so that people could watch shows and stuff.
Couldn’t you consider that stealing someones access to their private data breaches his copyrights. As it directly inpedes and prevents him from copying work he has made that was on the laptop. Allso since they illegitimitly got his gear couldnt you say that they both stole his possesions. And couldnt you say that it must breach his privacy rights. I mean you probably all know what forensic analysis of a computer means. It most likely involves reading every one and zero on the pc. And isnt that in itself an act of copying. And so have they not inflicted some ammount of dammage in $ far behond what anyone would agree is reasonable. Because now they not only stole it which costs alot, but they copyed it an undisclosed ammount of time, plus they breached his and his girl frineds privacy. And their could have been imporatant information on their that has taken along time to remake and some which couldnt have been. Allso taking into consideration any software installed on the laptops that is non transferable allso adds more on the bill. Perhaps you could allso consider what the implications of not haveing the laptop meant, e.g. That laptop might have had uis bank info in a txt file as well as server accounts etc. And if you add on compound deflaution and allso consider the current reseccion and then considering what he might of done if he had that money e.g. buying 25 lotto tickets and winning over a billion dollars in prizees because it is possible just hihgly unlikely well couldnt he claim 100million dollars in dammages.
And allso didnt they knowingly arrest and search his [property under laws which he didnt break just so that they could search his property knowing that their was a high chance that they would find one pirated product on his property and then they can scream hell and charge him for distributing or something. I mean that is wrong and there must be laws that prevent it. Otherwise what stops me arresting fact people everyday and seizing there gear on accusations that had no basses and just search their computers forever juust hoping to find the evidence i want that i can use in court to say that they are doing dodgey things.
there is something very odd about this story
why has “Dave Rock” not used UK law to throw the book at FACT?
http://www.h33t.com up for the fight you just bring it on wankers
LMAO @ h33t
Your site has to be one of the most disorganized, amaturish and unfriendly sites I’ve seen for torrents. If someone can’t find what they want to find in a matter of a minute or two on your site without the need to use great effort, you failed. I’m assuming your goal was to provide access to to people but you didn’t, you just confused them.
How about you stop plugging your site everytime you post here, and just post an opinion about the issue at hand.
The reality is he had terabytes of porn which is why FACT is still looking through his harddrive.
@Frozen
how about you put your money where your fat mouth is and make a better site
fyi h33t is about 1) quality descriptions 2) torrent moderation
h33t is everything you mofa MAFIAA fear in the free internet
http://www.h33t.com AGAIN
uhh no it isnt h33t, lol, keep telling yourself that. your site is retarded.. and i dont need to make a better site to prove that. You seriously sound like 14 years old bragging about yourself like anybody gives a shit.
nobody.gives.a.shit
(Im not Frozen)
Article: “The police officers then took Dave to the station where he was questioned. Not by the police, but by people from Trading Standards and FACT, a well known private anti-piracy company-come-lobby group. Quite why a private company is allowed to directly question someone in a criminal case that they may wish to prosecute privately is another question, and one that many people will find unpalatable.”
Ahem – this is BS. Under UK law, in order for this to be used in any criminal proceedings, this Dave Rock character must have agreed to the interview – or it was an off-the-record conversation. He was under no obligation to agree to either option. Some of this article feels like a beatup frankly: perhaps it’s a case of the “victim” being too submissive and agreeing to whatever he is told to do – it sounds like this is the case.
@9 jacob: Your whole long-winded, shoddy post reads like something a slightly retarded 11 year old would write. Hopefully most people will skip the whole block after 3 lines because it has no paragraphs – then realise how mind numbing and idiotic the whole post is.
Basic words misspelled repeatedly; ideas that are fanciful and out of kilter with the realms of remote possibility and sounding like a long drawn out ravings of someone who is deeply out of touch with reality or basic common sense.
Just an example: “And if you add on compound deflaution and allso consider the current reseccion and then considering what he might of done if he had that money e.g. buying 25 lotto tickets and winning over a billion dollars in prizees because it is possible just hihgly unlikely well couldnt he claim 100million dollars in dammages.”
That’s right, this moron jacob is arguing that Dave Rock should seek compensation because he had 1 in 8,145,060 (6 numbers, 1-45) chance of winning lotto… only he can’t leave it at that and somehow extends this to suing because he could have won 25 times in a ROW! ROFL!…
Jacob, your either very stupid or way too young to be smoking the amount of cannabis that you are. It’s painfully obvious that you believe yourself to be very intelligent and above most other people – so much in fact that you think that anything you say without thinking makes a lot of sense and that people will be impressed.
Nothing could be further from teh truth: you whole article is riddled with grammatical errors – it’s obvious that you’re an extremely poor writer and speller. Also you have the out of touch ideas that bear no relation to relaity that a drug-addict has so I hope your that. If not you have the mind of an 11 year old child and your idea of reality, and your own intelligence, is deeply flawed. Although you dont know it.
If you were smarter you would be embarrassed right now.
I really enjoyed that site.
Thanks Dave!
“how about you put your money where your fat mouth is and make a better site
fyi h33t is about 1) quality descriptions 2) torrent moderation”
That would be very, very easy. H33t is a fifth rate pile of crap. It sits awkwardly between fully public and private trackers.
Quality descriptions? Sorry, I see nothing special: people already know what they want usually… and moderation? What does that mean: labelling your torrents with your crappy website & uploader tags – taking credit for putting together a torrent file and copy and pasting a description looks pathetic. Really, you’re focusing on side-issues when the real problem is slow speeds, no ratio enforcement, limits on filesizes, lack of focus to get races for scene content, lack of community produced content and no uploader restrictions. H33t also lacks essential content for a general tracker: HD content. In short it’s just unfocused, does nothing really well and generally feels very mediocre both in it’s design and content.
Frankly there’s good reasons why the public crowd doesn’t hear or stay very long and the private crowd won’t even bother trying your site – it tries to be the best of both and ends up a sorry mess.
“h33t is everything you mofa MAFIAA fear in the free internet”
Oh dear, that’s so pathetic I almost feel guilty about laughing to myself: the authorities and anti-piracy entities have got much larger fish to fry then your little place: as far as publics they’re going after TPB, Mininova and the like and they’ve claimed some big scalps in the private tracker world such as Oink, Elite Torrents, etc.
I suppose that’s why you insist on labelling all your uploads and spamming the h33t address here over and over with meaningless little quotes that you think are clever: you realise that few people want to visit – lack of reasons to – and the MPAA & Co. don’t consider h33t a major priority – after all, the slow speeds and small size mean not that much piracy is actually going on right ?.
http://www.h33t.com where we have a high opinion of ourselves that is unjustified.
Boback: his post mightve been awful, but yours isnt much better, whine whine whine. Do yourself a favour and download some porn, would ya.
“how about you put your money where your fat mouth is and make a better site”
You have received criticism of your site. Why not address it – agree, disagree, explain why you think however you think instead of just saying “well, I don’t see you making tracker sites” because what someone else does or does not do does not change anything about your site.
“Nothing could be further from teh truth: you whole article is riddled with grammatical errors – it’s obvious that you’re an extremely poor writer and speller.”
*the
*your
This is sad…if they’re gonna do this, why not go after Youtube, Dailymotion, Google, Yahoo… basically, ANY site that links to videos?
What happened to THINK before you ACT?
UK starting to become lawless country now . an organization can arrest people as they like make me wonder what the point of having a laws.
We are also running a tv-links version for the European space located at :
http://www.tv-links.eu
A very interesting read, we are quite happy to know that there are no grounds to present linking sites as illegal services.
This is one of your best articles, cheers. Interesting read.
WHOIS information for: h33t.com:
DOMAIN: H33T.COM
RSP: LeaseWeb BV
URL: http://www.leaseweb.com
owner-contact: P-CLZ29
owner-organization: LeaseWeb BV
owner-fname: LeaseWeb
owner-lname: BV
owner-street: J.W. Lucasweg 35
owner-city: HAARLEM
owner-state: Noord Holland
owner-zip: 2031BE
owner-country: NL
owner-phone: +31(0)203162880
owner-fax: +31(0)203162890
owner-email: technical@leaseweb.com
admin-contact: P-CLZ29
admin-organization: LeaseWeb BV
admin-fname: LeaseWeb
admin-lname: BV
admin-street: J.W. Lucasweg 35
admin-city: HAARLEM
admin-state: Noord Holland
admin-zip: 2031BE
admin-country: NL
admin-phone: +31(0)203162880
admin-fax: +31(0)203162890
admin-email: technical@leaseweb.com
@Grammar Goebbels
The “teh” is just like the “relaity” that he also typed, it was more of a mock than a real typo. Also, “you’re” is used correctly in this case, break it down to “you are an extremely poor writer and speller.”
Do appreciate the grammar policing though, but, maybe like FACT and the police, you just got one little part wrong. Cool, I linked it to the article, haha.
Great read, I missed the old TVLinks…
@H2
“you whole article is riddled”
Yes, ‘you’ is actually misspelled. It should be ‘your’. How dare you accuse me of making a mistake.
Please pack your belongings; you are going to the grammar camps.
im 2004 i was arrested under the counterfeiting act, Yes i was guilty as hell i made copies of anything and everything but this response is to explain a finer point of the law.
my equipment was sent for forensic tests 9 systems and terrabytes of data were seized. anyway all this equipment and data was printed out i was looking at rather a long stretch and or a massive fine.
lo and behold the police sent the systems to a private organisation for testing and under the present law this is breach of DPA the case was thrown out of court and they had to return not only my systems but all my counterfeit materials including some rather dodgy documentation.
i have since been a good boy but after visiting a solicitor and talking much on this and its relation to piracy on the net and people having there equipment seize by FACT, note this all.
1 the only ones that can conduct a lawfull interview at a police station are those warranted to do so
2 all equipment seized must be forensically checked by an organisation granted license to do so by a court, make sure you get their name
and lastly The biggest pirates are those that rake in cash for goods freedom of speach freedom of choice is yours
shad
and canuck ( canadian law) has recently said that the user has choice to goto those links and htus you could argue that YOU are the person responsible for getting a torrent file or other link
WOW what a concept, me being responsible for crossing the street with a red light.
Me being responsible for aiming a loaded gun at the mpaa presidents head and firing.
Me being responsible for my own actions.
WHAT A CONCEPT.
Guess what the MPAA/RIAA is saying is you are TOO STUPID to be responsible and therefore everything you do is your fault already.
Perfect example, off how to fuck-up by FACT. Maybe they should get their “FACTS” straight next time.
http://www.aquariumfish.me
it is quite pathetic that they would take down a site simply linking to other sites that host videos that may or may not contain copyrighted material.
to think they have nothing better to do with their lives.
next we hear about 12 year olds being busted for looking at porn because you technically have to 18 to view it. p-a-t-h-e-t-i-c.
and the grammar nazis can suck it.
re: 25
Ouch
you can also watch movies and tv shows at http://www.luutit.com
http://www.tv-links.ws/ link not working on my end
when police have nothing on you they simply keep you on bail as lo9ng as possible….sometimes a year and there is no limit…not enough people bring an “abuse of process “to court which means that they get away with it…i know…i have done it a thousand times!
There are a lot of new sites like http://www.spotep.com/spotted which replaces it.
Yes there are many other sites like it (more sites = harder to shut down them all = good), http://www.tv-links.ws/ got mentioned because that’s the site the original crew from tv-links.co.uk started after a while. Despite what other sites may say (seen many that claim they are the original crew) http://www.tv-links.ws/ IS where they went.
The EU Copyright Directive – Summary
Introduction
The Electronic Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002 (?Regulations’) implement the EU’s E-Commerce Directive 2000 (?Directive’). The Regulations came into force on 21 August 2002 and seek to promote e-business and help build consumer confidence and protection.
Who do the Regulations apply to?
The Regulations apply to those who provide and receive “information society services”, which are defined as services “normally provided for remuneration at a distance, by means of electronic equipment at the individual request of a recipient of a service”.
Are there any exceptions to the Regulations?
The Regulations do not apply to a number of areas including taxation, particularly VAT, agreements or practices governed by ?cartel’ law (e.g. the Competition Act 1998) and betting, gaming or lotteries.
What are the key features of the Regulations?
Introduction
The aim of the European Copyright Directive (”the Directive”), ratified in 2001, was to harmonise and update the copyright laws of member states to take account of the Internet and other new technologies, and address the concerns of copyright owners over the threat posed by infringers. The Directive was implemented into UK law with effect from 31 October 2003 by the Copyright and Related Rights Regulations 2003.
Scope
The Directive concerns the legal protection of copyright with particular emphasis on the information society. The Directive does not affect the legal protection of computer programs and databases; rental right, lending right and related rights; copyright and related rights applicable to broadcasting of programmes by satellite and cable; or the term of protection of copyright and related rights.
Core Rights
The Directive clarifies the exclusive rights given by copyright, in particular the right of reproduction of a work, and the right of communication and making a work available to the public, so that the rights are “technologically neutral”.
Exceptions
The Directive provided a limited exception for service providers, telecommunications operators and certain others, for temporary and transient copies made as an integral part of a technological process.
In addition, the Directive contained a number of optional exceptions and limitations, some of which have been taken up by the Regulations, and the existing exemptions found under UK copyright law have been amended in a number of ways. The exceptions for research, education and librarians are now limited to non-commercial use. The exception for criticism, review and news reporting now only applies once a work has been lawfully made public. The optional exception under the Directive for private copying for non-commercial ends, subject to rights holders receiving fair compensation, was not implemented in the UK.
Technical protection measures and rights management
The Directive required member states to provide adequate legal protection against the circumvention of technological measures to control the use of a copyright work through an access control or protection process such as encryption, scrambling or other transformation of the work. The Regulations widen the existing provisions aimed at those who circumvent copy-protection, and introduce new civil remedies and criminal offences. In the related field of digital rights management information, there are new civil remedies but no new criminal offences.
The law stated in this guideline is believed to be correct as at 1 March 2004.
This guideline does not purport to be comprehensive or give specific legal advice. Before any action is taken on matters covered in this guideline, you should obtain professional advice.
©Davenport Lyons 2004. All rights reserved
I hope that this guy Dave R does something about it rather than let FACT just get away with it. Don’t let FACT simply come to you Dave and say “ok,we are not going to do anything now”… don’t roll over and give up.
Never let little sh*ts like this push you around. Get your lawyer to keep pushing for your stiff to be given back, and get them to ask what are they planning to do.
The result of the TV-Links shutdown was only that a douzen other sites like it popped up, some getting even bigger then TV-Links was.
The Hydra principle is still in full swing and will hopefully last indefinatly.
[ The reality was that he was receiving around $2 to $5 per day in donations from random site users, which he used to cover the server costs. ]
And the revenue from all those banner ads was given to charity.
#40
Would really like to see what other tv-links (or other name of a site like it) that even comes close to top 100 most viewed pages on the internet, tv-links.co.uk was at its best on rank 78 right along with mininova and apple.com.
Take alluc just for an example since it started just around when tv-links.co.uk did (at it’s old host 50webs). At it’s best the site has been on ~600 in ranking, and now around 2000.
I do however agree that the shutdown lead to many other sites popping up, and that is good in one way.
Good: many sites to choose from and if yet one or more gets shut down, there’s probably always another to go to.
Bad: I’ve been around on many of them but the “service” (speed of new series, functional links and the amount of them) just doesn’t compare to tv-links.co.uk.
eggbert (#42) nailed it spot on. I have yet to find a better site.
At 40
LMAO @ the Hydra, take your American Imperialistic book ‘the star fish and the bullshit’ somewhere else.
That book is fundamentally flawed, centralisation V’s Decentralisation.
Central or decentred is a completely conceptualised ideology, what one considers central is NOT considered central by others.
The Alcoholics anon example in the book states that Alcoholics Anon is decentralised because it has no infrastructural bases. How erroneous is that???
What on earth are the 12 steps if not a central premise? What on earth is the whole buddy system if not central?
What on earth are ISP’s if not a central premise to the internet?
The book is rubbish DO NOT REPEAT IT’S CRAP.
‘Like yeah, we should all be catalysts’ get the f%*k outta town man.
In every example that book gives, there is an ongoing lack of sophisticated broadened knowledge.
Such as when it cites that the Native Americans were successful in defending their country because they were decentralised, LMFAO.
TELL THAT TO THE CENTRALISED US GOV WHO SYSTEMATICALLY STARVED THEM TO DEATH… read bury my heart at Wounded Knee, FFS.
Our governments have now made it law that people can be extradited without a trial in their own country. See the Enron British banker three.
Centralisation here is the power to change the law, Torrent site creators can now be taken from countries such as the Netherlands to face charges in countries such as the US, even though they did NOT break any law in their own country.
FACT and other lobbyists have made the UK government agree to make ISP’s responsible for the net.
Soon one may be banned from the net and still have to pay the ISP. Furthermore, the number Of ISP’s in the UK that are dropping all P2P traffic is on the increase, due to centralised lobbying and government law changes.
Encryption, Proxy’s and tunnelling are fine for geeks such as I but the main bulk of Torrenters are not going to be able to use P2P networks, without facing extradition, ISP banning, and even legal fines. (not the suing of yester year)
AOL UK/CARPHONE WAREHOUSE already enforces this as do BT and Tiscali although all to differing lengths.
The power of centralisation then is kicking in, and P2P’s will have to lobby, hide or simply not be able to use.
Do not quote that starfish bullshittery because it’s wrong beyond belief.
Regards
P.S. if a dam spider got wet it would move its leg, anyone who knows anything about spiders know they have a unique arachnid nervous system, one of the most complex in the world. It certainly wouldn’t let its foot drowned as the book would have you believe.
A spider is no more a centralised hierarchical system as a starfish, and to compare biology field notes to a complex human ideology is simplistic and erroneous.
Well, Its great to see a replacement and hear from this Dave Rock fellow.
Lets hope the replacement will live up to its expectations.
NewlBoy
it’s clear now that you should have no evidence at your home and to ssh into your main computer stored at a secure location.
Great to hear that he wasn’t charged and the tv-links.ws site looks quite good too
It was a sad day when tv-links was no more. Hope everything works out for Dave Rock and he doesn’t get the big end of the shaft. There are a slew of new tv-links sites now but I think the best I have found is tv-links.cc although I have not checked out tv-links.ws
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