Campaign to Stop File-Sharers Being “Guilty Upon Accusation”
Written by enigmax on January 05, 2009Next month, New Zealand is scheduled to implement Section 92 of the Copyright Amendment Act. The controversial act provides ‘Guilt Upon Accusation’, which means that if a file-sharer is simply accused of copyright infringement, they are immediately guilty. The punishment – summary Internet disconnection.
The term “3 Strikes” is a familiar one to those monitoring attempts to crack down on illicit file-sharing. Many countries are looking at proposals which if implemented, would mean that a ‘graduated response’ is taken against those accused of online copyright infringement. ‘Strike One’ would earn the infringer a warning, ‘Strike Two’ would result in a slowing of the user’s Internet connection, with Internet disconnection proposed on a third accusation.
However draconian these proposals might appear, they are nothing compared to the proposed ‘Section 92′ of the Copyright Amendment Act in New Zealand. Scheduled for introduction at the end of February 2009, the act assumes that any individual simply accused of sharing copyright works on the Internet, is guilty. The punishment for ‘guilty’ is summary disconnection from the Internet. Understandably, this proposal hasn’t been well received by many outside of the entertainment industries. Indeed, RIANZ, New Zealand’s answer to the RIAA, has been a vocal supporter.
One group voicing dissent is The Creative Freedom Foundation. On December 18th the group launched with the aim to “unite artists who are against the removal of New Zealander’s rights through proposed changes in Copyright law, done in the name of protecting creativity.”
Foundation Co-Founder and Director, Bronwyn Holloway-Smith is strongly opposed to Section 92, which she says threatens Internet disconnections “without evidence or even a trial.”
“The result of this law could be that one rogue employee or even one virus infected computer could bring down a whole organization’s internet and it’s highly likely that schools, businesses, hospitals, and phone services will be harmed by this,” she said.
Hollyway-Smith warns that as the government has shown support for the bill, unless there is a major public protest against it the proposals will “roll over into law” – just 54 days from now. To this end, the foundation has started a petition and campaign against the “Guilt Upon Accusation” laws, called “Not in my Name”. The petition can be signed on the Creative Freedom Foundation website.
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Just goes to show how ignorant the population of NZ is, to even entertain these type of thoughts is blatantly idiotic.
Smart move on the part of the 'Industry Associations' to try buy laws in still developing places, who have bad infrastructure, they are more likely to fester political manipulation.
End of the day, monitoring and 'punishment' must be done by Police and no-one else.
Ridicule the clown in a suit behind all this, spam him and his office, hack his wifi.
Redirect his partys site to point to TPB or something.
What a load of rubbish. So does this mean if i go to an internet cafe and somebody used a computer for piracy. If i later use that same computer does that mean i'm the one that will get into trouble for it. I guess someone should tell the New Zealand goverment what the internet is.
Thought we were getting screwed here in the UK! I feel sorry for you guys down under getting hammered in the name of copyright. It will fail in the long term but how many will it take down incorrectly in the process?
This is AWESOME. Are you kidding? Do you know how many ways I could think of to exploit this?
I could literally bring down any New Zealand organization's internet connection. Disrupting there communication.
Dont stop it, EXPLOIT IT! This is the chance to show them how seriously pathetic they are.
I say hold a contest to see how many peoples internet you can get disconnected.
Just what I was proposing, although a little broader. Take down as many people as you can – if all the law requires is an allegation, make thousands of allegations – under the law, an allegation is merely an assertion that 'you believe' someone did something wrong, and as such, there is no legal recourse for the person who you accuse (unless you accuse them of doing something genuinely illegal). Copyright infringement is NOT a criminal offence, even in NZ, and as such, there is no legal recourse if you falsely accuse someone.
Just what I was proposing, although a little broader. Take down as many people as you can – if all the law requires is an allegation, make thousands of allegations – under the law, an allegation is merely an assertion that 'you believe' someone did something wrong, and as such, there is no legal recourse for the person who you accuse (unless you accuse them of doing something genuinely illegal).
Copyright infringement is NOT a criminal offence, even in NZ, and as such, there is no legal recourse if you falsely accuse someone.
Great.. now after this comes up, just go and accuse every single goverment member of piracy, you just need to accuse, no need to provide any sort of proof that they actually did it.
After that target the police, the media, and companies :P
After all public services are offline, goverment is offline, and all companies are offline..
I think the law will be lifted :P
abuse it
They will check that you are the copyright holder, They will at least check that you are a company or person that could hold a copyright.
Yes this system will get abused, Yes it can be abused EASILY.
But don't think you'll get away with sending a couple of emails at the PM and get her net cut off..
Don't you think that it is about time that these inhuman monsters (the industry pushing for this law, &c.) got a taste of their own medicine? These bastards do not deserve life; they ought to rot in hell already. An eye for an eye, blood for blood.
Hope such doesn't come to Finland… Here is a law, which says that you are not quilty until prooved othervise (at least i remember there would be:D )
That should prevent such laws coming here, but well.. Havent seen a law affecting copyright laws before anyway… (privacy laws etc..)
Ignorant politics!
How many times have we seen people wrongly accused already. It doesn't make any sense passing this law based on the latest debacles from the likes of Davenport Lyons.
Coupled with TPB polluting the peers database this is becoming very dangerous ground for them. Next step is for TPB to introduce some gov.nz ip addresses.
True, I dont think i have ever heard of such a stupid/ludicrous/ridiculous etc 'idea' leave alone proposed law in my life… this is sinking to a new low.
WTF have they been smoking in in NZ? guess they must have been adding some kiwi to their joints.
This really is beyond dumb, its like Paris Hilton x 100 (or more)
Am more surprised the ISPs have not gotten up in arms against this, because if this goes through they are looking at loosing a very very large chunk of thier clients… if not all of them.
Cheers,
http://www.eZee.se
Well yeah, but I mean if your going to do something, do it right. If I were to exploit it, I would have NZ in a blackout.
Seriously people dont worry about this kinda law, it will be so hilarious if it passes.
I have an idea…. as soon as that law is enacted everybody that comes on here accuse the government of file-sharing…… see how they act upon that……… idiots.
In spain they are gonna start reducing velocity to those who share soon! (something like what they do in france, but more light). HEEEEELP!!!
> Thought we were getting screwed here in the UK!
In the UK these cases go to the court and you have good chances to win the process (for example, by using so called "wireless defense").
i know a perfect way for kiwis to make sure they don't lose their internet…
don't file steal.
"they take away your rights to keep you free"
yes those hardware stores dont like it.
in all seriousness: it is merely the accusation that will get a nz'er disconnected from the net.
and I accuse you for being an paid astroturfer!
But with "Guilt Upon Accusation" there's never even a chance to prove it was a false report
Defeat this by accusing EVERYONE, thus freezing the system. NZ or any other country can’t disconnect everyone from the net, so they’d have to change the law.
YOU Have my IP your guilty
YES folks accuse anyone one you dislike in that land make a mockery of its system and fdrag it to its knees
protip: the whole organization consists of 5 people
"these bastards do not deserve life; they ought to rot in hell already. An eye for an eye, blood for blood."
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lol
you're such an internet tough guy roze…
i don't think i've ever been so scared of someone that jacks off to japanese cartoons.
Those who let evil happen are themselves evil. This kind of nonsense keeps on happening essentially because people refuse to take any action. Some kind of popular action is needed, whether it be the power of the word (written or spoken), or something else. Yet, I see little to no sentiment to do something about this amongst anyone.
How about we all form an internet group to oppose this (and copyright abuse in general)? It would be difficult for people who are reading this to convene in a single location since we are spread across the world. However, we do not need to travel in order to form an internet group, and this might be a good idea to have some kind of rudimentary mobilization going on.
Guilty upon acquisition…wow…whats next…guilt under suspicion? I smell a huge civil revolt in the makings…someone is gonna get hurt…just remember policy makers and corrupted scumbags…theres always someone watching you…
"don't file steal."
Yes people, dont "file steal"… thats bad, very very baaaad.
Copying a file is ok though… ;)
I guess that was written in half jest at Roze because in truth he/she DOES scare you…
People like Roze do not give a toss about copyright,
Are extremely vocal,
Know that anti-piracy measures are a joke,
and are bankrupting you and/or your bosses.
Sweeeeet!
Cheers!
http://www.eZee.se
Hi, Matthew from the CFF here.
In response to "They should add provisions to make it illegal to file a false report"
…they did have those provisions added due to the public consultation process but after the public consultation process the government was approached by "various commercial entities" and the provisions were removed. No need to take my word for it, here's a direct quote from NZ parliamentary record:
"The Minister [Judith Tizard] knows, and I certainly know, that we have all had approaches from various commercial entities, as a result of which the Minister has come up with a number of amendments. We will support those. The first makes some changes to new section 92A, and I need not go into that in any great detail. We support what is being done there. Essentially, it is putting back into place what had been there before the bill went to the select committee."
See:
http://blog.theyworkforyou.co.nz/post/59243864/se...
http://creativefreedom.org.nz/s92.html
let all of us spoof NZ IP on p2p . whit in 1 month all the people (include commercial / government) in NZ will have no more internet .
this going to be very fun
DAMN! That really stinks…
‘Guilt Upon Accusation’ – Number 1 on the "Top 100 Most Ridiculous Things I Have Ever Heard". Seriously, WTF?
I can already picture how this is going to get abused. A few false accusations accompanied by a "news tip" to a few TV Stations could get an innocent person or company in serious trouble. Brilliant!
Holy shit. This is worse than any other copyright law.
Use it against them, Claim Falsely that a person in power in new Zealand has infringed in copyright material.
Just wait until it becomes law and then send accusing letters to the ISP's of the Police, Medical Establishments, Government Ministers etc – see how long it stays in law then!
Or make it entirely useless by accusing every single person in the country. Good luck with that.
the police can go to any house with internet connection to ask for money else accuse them for copyright infringement .
I accuse the RIANZ and the Military and every goverment corporation of copyright violation.. so when are they going to be disconnected from the internet i wonder…
I urge every individual in new zealand to do this if the law if implemented.. so whoelse supports this law??
This is absolute idiocy, they are putting the whole population of New Zealand into a internet disconnection threat just for some entertainment and software industry.. ?
‘Guilt Upon Accusation’ ? Sounds like an dictators idea to hunt down political opponents!! … can't believe it!
They should add provisions to make it illegal to file a false report.
Disconnect the internets from the internets! They are all pirates!!
ISPs getting accused and disconnected ROFL best hope Richard Branson doesn't get disconnected, he might move another ISP! (If he happens to be in NZ at the time? :S)
“don’t file steal.”
Ok. Can I file share? I hope so… :)
Anyone up for helping create a wiki page on this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Copyright_Amendment_Act_2008_No_27_(New_Zealand)
“I guess that was written in half jest at Roze because in truth he/she DOES scare you… ”
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yes. i admit it. it’s scares me that someone can be so dumb.
and the fact that he’s extremely vocal is only detrimental to your cause because he so often sounds like a babbling redundant idiot, calling for violence one minute and peaceful discussion the next…lol
and you should have seen some of the foreign websites he linked to a week ago. it was all pictures of ambiguously pubescent asian cartoons in various states of undress. kind of plays into the pirates-as-virginal-losers cliche a little bit don’t you think?
you need a better spokesperson.
“We are making a documentary about this and if you can think of funding sources please let us know. ”
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why do you need funds? you should do it for free. getting the message to as many people as possible is surely payment enough, right?
In fact, there is. It is called the natural law. This is higher than the law of the land, unless you want to argue that eating babies is okay as long as it is legal in the country that one is in.
Restoration of the natural law consists merely of extending "fair use" to cover non-commercial activities.
I have looked through it, and I have found that if you consider teenagers and adults to be pre-pubescent children, then what you said would be true. So perhaps you could consider it creepy if you twist the facts a lot. Random slander indeed, since you clearly have nothing else to say.
If you cannot figure it out, the Kannazuki no Miko fanart blog I have directly linked to is, in fact, evidence that fan-art can be good – essentially due to the fact that anybody can create such fan-art, with encouragement from the works already out there (which, in turn, encourages more fan-art, and so on), creating a symbiotic relation between creator and audience, encouraging the audience themselves to create in turn. The idea that "all fan-art is bad" is clearly false – the immoral threat (though not necessarily the usage of) copyright is the reason why there is little effort for fan-art in the United States, U.K., and so on – because this immoral copyright law does indeed stifle culture like that.
Hi Roze (Matthew from the CFF here again),
Our website, the CreativeFreedom.org.nz is trying to be a public education campaign. We have been doing radio and magazine interviews, and of course spreading the word online. We are making a documentary about this and if you can think of funding sources please let us know.
At least Canada gets it right.
You can freely download music on the Internet, it's legal.
We pay a levy on every blank CD/DVD sold here.
You idiot, do you really beleive that people in NZ other than the bloodsucking record companies want this or even accept it. The point has been protested by ISPs end users and rights groups. The NZ government is just to corrupt to care, slightly better now after the election but short of a military takeover there is little that can actually be done. There has been a precident set over the past three terms of government where the public is ignored on certain issues and even with a change of majority party this abuse of the idea of democracy continues.
As someone from New Zealand I think that the previous primeminister should actually be arrested for subverting the course of democracy. A lot like the previous US president which unfourtunatly will never happen.
When are those idiots going to realize that no matter WHAT they do, the files will ALWAYS be free!
web-privacy.pro.tc
"you need a better spokesperson. "
I dont think Roze (or anyone else here) is really a spokesperson.. like the rest of us, Roze has an opinion that Roze wishes to share. This IS an internet blog with an option for anyone to leave a comment you know.
"and the fact that he's extremely vocal is only detrimental to your cause"
IMHO the only people truly detrimental to "our cause" is the ones in high offices who listen to the content industries BS and who keep taking favors under the table.. or in the case of our Justice minister (Beatrice Ask) lies on the table, opens her legs and takes it on the table.. but that's another story entirely.
"should have seen some of the foreign websites he linked to a week ago"
Missed that, maybe it was an accident? or maybe there was a message there that you didnt get, cant raelly comment as i have not seen it.
"kind of plays into the pirates-as-virginal-losers cliche a little bit don't you think? "
HEH! The only people who try hard to believe that crap are the idiots trying to spread it, and the morons trying to use psychology to stop P2P (ie. all the cool kids dont do it)… or some who just keep saying that to themselves to feel better as they see their profits slump ever lower day…by day… by day..by….day….
The money saved by downloading via p2p can be spent on a host of things including getting laid… use your imagination here ;)
"getting the message to as many people as possible is surely payment enough, right?"
By that same logic WWF/GreenPeace/Wikipedia etc should also stop asking for donations..
Cheers bro,
http://www.eZee.se
I know not of funding sources (sorry, can't really be of help there). However, do you think that it might be helpful to use the age-old power of words through simple publications, like books and other kinds of prints (and perhaps through verbal speech as well)?
Hi Matthew,
CJ from eZee.se here, in helping you spread the word online, if you would like to summarize this in a kind of timeline of events and show people how the NZ government has sold out its people to the whims of the content industry…
we would be most honored to publish your story on eZee.se
Contact us via the contact form on eZee.se if interested.
//CJ
http://www.eZee.se
The worst part is that originally the legislation had some balance after going through the select committee stage where there was a trial prior to disconnection and sanction for maliciously making a knowingly false report. Both conditions were removed by the (recently former Labour) Government soo……. If I were to lodge a false complaint against the Minister of Communications he’d become the incommunicado Minister of Communications without a working Internet connection, at home, in his office or his mobile telephone.
salem witch trials anyone? He a downloader. She a downloader. and your a downloader. Burn them all!
Not that I in any way think this law is a good thing: however, the legislation reads like this:
92A Internet service provider must have policy for terminating accounts of repeat infringers
(1) An Internet service provider must adopt and reasonably implement a policy that provides for termination, in appropriate circumstances, of the account with that Internet service provider of a repeat infringer.
(2) In subsection (1), repeat infringer means a person who repeatedly infringes the copyright in a work by using 1 or more of the Internet services of the Internet service provider to do a restricted act without the consent of the copyright owner.
This would seem idicate two points as far as I can see:
There is "appropriate circumstances" – what this means is unclear: however I would assume this means that if infringers do not remove offending material upon notification and hence are "repeat" offenders knowingly hosting or uploading copyrighted material.
My interpretation. … And yes, it could mean in practice that infringers have their internet service terminated without being warned.
For anyone that cares to, takes a few moments and sign the petition against this law:
http://creativefreedom.org.nz/whattodo.html
If anything this will drive more people to use private sites – which can offer a greater level of security – VPN services or other methods of obtaining files. Eg. Usenet, where there is no chance at all of you're IP being harvested.
"A new low" no, this is no lower than any of the other equally draconian measures that they're tirelessly trying to and are passing to curtail freedom of information and control or program us.
Anyway I find it likely that you won't have to worry about such a policy being misused by the people, no doubt, there will be "special police" appointed with the sole powers of such accusations. They'll also quickly up the punishement to a bullet in the back of the head or some sort of thought prison or work camps once they suddenly realize their power positions are futile thanks to wireless, and you're safest regarded as an ennemy, or infidel, of international unity.
Comming soon, to theatres everywhere.
the fact that he's extremely vocal is only detrimental to your cause
The truth can never be detrimental to a cause.
and you should have seen some of the foreign websites he linked to a week ago.
The only foreign websites I recall having linked to is a Touhou Project fanart personal website, and a Kannazuki no Miko fanart blog. So, it figures: having nothing good left to say, you just randomly slander the other person.
why do you need funds? you should do it for free.
Funds are needed for funding, but profiteering through immoral laws (such as the slave trade or the imposed copyright on non-commercial activities) is never needed.
I cant wait till this goes itno law and inderviduals who enjoy mischief start acussing government officals of copyright infringment. What an easy way to annoy someone you dont like.
It is the same natural laws of morality that make slavery immoral whether it is legal or not. If you say that morality is subjective, then fine, call slavery or eating babies "okay" as long as one thinks that it is okay. The rest of us, however, believe that there is such a thing as morality, which is why there are such things as individual liberties and equality and the abolition of slavery.
It is the same natural laws of morality that make slavery immoral whether it is legal or not. If you say that morality is subjective, then fine, call slavery or eating babies "okay" as long as one thinks that it is okay. The rest of us, however, believe that there is such a thing as morality, which is why there are such things as individual liberties and equality and the abolition of slavery. Some morals views on morality, after all, are better than others – not all perspectives are equal.
(Note: by "higher reality" I mean essentially what is true, which may differ from the apparent reality.)
It is the same natural laws of morality that make slavery immoral whether it is legal or not. If you say that morality is subjective, then fine, call slavery or eating babies "okay" as long as one thinks that it is okay. The rest of us, however, believe that there is such a thing as morality, which is why there are such things as individual liberties and equality and the abolition of slavery – and of course, the liberty in regards to non-commercial activities in regards to copyrighted works. Some morals views on morality, after all, are better than others – not all perspectives are equal, whether it regards copyright or slavery.
(Note: by "higher reality" I mean essentially what is true, which may differ from the apparent reality.)
This is another example of an outdated government, ripe with corruption, attempting to control technology far beyond its greedy understanding.
They attempt to get the worst, most evasive, and unreasonable laws out there so that they have a basis to which they can control. Then, if the people get mad enough, and if they still have a voice to be heard; they will try and roll it back to how it was before. Power breeds more power and it never goes back to the way it was. The new way creates wealth for some part of the government and somebody gets paid to keep it going. They set a precedence and move on to the next thing they are going to mess up.
As this inefficient government attempts to clog the progress of the internet, life will go on. Accepting the technology and learning how to work with it not against it has to and will happen. Of course that is unless the controlling, invasive governments/corporations get their way and we all lose our internet.
That is a great idea…
Roze, sometimes you just leave me open mouthed at your writings.
Did you not notice the article where it said this:
"One group voicing dissent is The Creative Freedom Foundation. On January 2nd the group launched with the aim to “unite artists who are against the removal of New Zealander’s rights through proposed changes in Copyright law, done in the name of protecting creativity.” "
So then how can you write:
"Yet, I see little to no sentiment to do something about this amongst anyone. "
???
That's right, get biblical on their ass… SUE THEM FOR COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT. Oh wait, you can't.
"Indeed, you are scared. "
Oh yes, I'm sure he's trembling and afraid to go outside. I hope you didn't intend *that* to be taken seriously.
I trust you are already asking for donations right?
"Funds are needed for funding, but profiteering through immoral laws (such as the slave trade or the imposed copyright on non-commercial activities) is never needed."
Oh wait, I thought you believed that all artists should work for nothing and just be glad that there work is "out there".
Oh and your comparison of the slave trade to copyright infringement is appalling. I'm used to your bizarre comparisons I guess but my mind boggles still. For example, your comparing a woman being forced to have sex with 20 men per day against her will from the age of 12 for 20 years to entities sending letters to individuals demanding money for an act that was entirely voluntary on their part and that they don't have to even pay without recourse.
Get a grip man.
This legislation is appallingly implemented aside from being unjust.
"Funds are needed for funding, but profiteering through immoral laws (such as the slave trade or the imposed copyright on non-commercial activities) is never needed."
Oh wait, I thought you believed that all artists should work for nothing and just be glad that their work is "out there".
Oh and your comparison of the slave trade to copyright infringement is appalling. I'm used to your bizarre comparisons I guess but my mind boggles still. For example, your comparing a woman being forced to have sex with 20 men per day against her will from the age of 12 for 20 years to entities sending letters to individuals demanding money for an act that was entirely voluntary on their part and that they don't have to even pay without recourse.
Get a grip man.
What do you mean? Donations for…?
"The only foreign websites I recall having linked to is a Touhou Project fanart personal website, and a Kannazuki no Miko fanart blog. So, it figures: having nothing good left to say, you just randomly slander the other person."
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lol roze
here's the link to the websites you posted in the 2nd page of comments: torrentfreak(dot)com/open-source-torrents-force-offline-by-anti-piracy-outfit-081218/#idc-ctools
and here are some pages that were DIRECT LINKS off the websites YOU POSTED:
h..p://yuriyuri(dot)sakura(dot)ne(dot)jp/ (1 click off the main page!)
h..p://rinrin(dot)saiin(dot)net/~torao/ (1 clicks off the main page!)
h..p://yuriyuri(dot)sakura(dot)ne(dot)jp/sonohana(dot)html (2 clicks off the main page!)
this stuff is downright creepy roze. i have no idea why you would want to post these websites as being some kind of evidence in favor of abolishing copyright when the only thing it tells me is that your right to be around children should be abolished.
if anyone thinks that's "slander" i suggest you click through a few of the links and see for yourself. it only took me 30 seconds to find what i did from the websites he posted. who knows what you'll find if you look for more than that…
Of course not, for I wrote it only half in seriousness, but the half that was serious was the half that was directed at the people who are already pro-file-sharing, to give the idea that it might be a good idea to effect proportionate retribution to restore the imbalance of justice that has occurred in regards to copyright lately.
Of course not, for I wrote it only half in seriousness, but the half that was serious was the half that was directed at the people who are already pro-file-sharing, to give the idea that it might be a good idea to effect proportionate retribution to restore the imbalance of justice that has occurred in regards to copyright lately, for this kind of imbalance of justice is not one that one ought to sit by and hope for the best, since it is an issue of morality, just like slavery.
I thought you believed that all artists should work for nothing
It is actually irrelevant what artists work for, since it is irrelevant to morality. Any income based upon immorality, whether it be slavery or the imposed copyright on non-commercial activities, cannot be supported, and when this is so, they must move on to something different.
You refuse to see morality as it is, in your immoral and deluded mind. The best you can say is "get a grip" – you can deny all the crimes against higher morality of these copyright holders all you wish, but it won't change a thing, because immorality is immoral all the same. For it is "the higher law" that has the firmest grip on higher reality, the higher morality that denies the morality of slavery and copyright imposition upon non-commercial activities all the same, the higher morality that villains like you deny. For it is a truth self-evident that imposing control upon other people's private activities, both in slavery and in copyright alike, is so vile a thing that it ought to be erased from this world altogether. All of this can be stated without presumption or egoism, for it is indeed not merely I, but the higher reality which affirms the self-evident nature of this truth. The only thing that is appalling is your denial of morality.
I thought you believed that all artists should work for nothing
It is actually irrelevant what artists work for, since it is irrelevant to morality. Any income based upon immorality, whether it be slavery or the imposed copyright on non-commercial activities, cannot be supported, and when this is so, they must move on to something different.
You refuse to see morality as it is, in your immoral and deluded mind. The best you can say is "get a grip" – you can deny all the crimes against higher morality of these copyright holders all you wish, but it won't change a thing, because immorality is immoral all the same. For it is "the higher law" that has the firmest grip on higher reality, the higher morality that denies the morality of slavery and copyright imposition upon non-commercial activities all the same, the higher morality that villains like you deny. For it is a truth self-evident that imposing control upon other people's private activities, both in the slave trade and in copyright alike, is so vile a thing that it ought to be erased from this world altogether. All of this can be stated without presumption or egoism, for it is indeed not merely I, but the higher reality which affirms the self-evident nature of this truth. The only thing that is appalling is your denial of morality.
You shall not pass
(such a law)
To everyone who looks forward to it passing with a kind of glee about the chaos it will cause, consider that as a result of the chaos they may tweak it afterwards that you need to be a part of some govt approved group to be making these kinds of accusations. (It's only a small step once you have the original passed).
So now there's some fee you have to pay to be a part of it to make it for serious copyright holders.
Indeed, you are scared.
Of course, that is to be expected.
I did intend for it to be taken seriously, after all.
It seems like you took it seriously, and hopefully others shall as well.
After all, I was aiming to speak of a certain passion that is necessary to effect change.
Slavery, after all, was abolished by determined individuals using the power of words and public education.
I have looked through it, and I have found that (discarding the fact that it was an indirect link) what you said would be true, if you consider teenagers to be pre-pubescent children – from what I guess to be anime series, none of which I have never seen but some of which I know about (Mai Hime, Mari-mite, Kannazuki no Miko). So perhaps you could consider it creepy if you twist the facts a lot.
If you cannot figure it out, the Kannazuki no Miko fanart website I have directly linked to is, in fact, evidence that fan-art can be good – essentially due to the fact that anybody can create such fan-art, with encouragement from the works already out there (which, in turn, encourages more fan-art, and so on), creating a symbiotic relation between creator and audience, encouraging the audience themselves to create in turn. The idea that "all fan-art is bad" is clearly false – the threat (though not necessarily the usage of) copyright is the reason why there is little effort for fan-art in the United States, U.K., and so on – because copyright does indeed stifle culture like that.
That is why it is more important to change the law itself, through public education of the morality of such a law.
Then point out where there is much sentiment to join the Creative Freedom Foundation.
"This is kinda pathetic Free Lunch Brigade: you have proved nothing because Roze didn't link to any material as you accused him – as you just pointed out, they were links off pages, not what Roze posted you dumbass:"
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wrong. the websites he posted show links to creepy hentai. these were direct links. direct correlation. this is not a difficult concept.
It seems you're the kind of person that can't view material depicting child-like figures without associating them with sexual acts committed in reality
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lol! i'm not "associating" anything. did you even look at the links? many of the pictures are undeniably, overtly sexual and many of them were undeniably, overtly created to represent children (ie-young teenage girls, 13, 14,15…) everyone should find that creepy.
roze has revealed himself to be the cliche nerd. a loser who jacks off to cartoons of underage looking girls. i bet when he's not sharing his tin foil hat soliloquies he's probably hanging out around playgrounds sharing candy.
and then he has the nerve to preach about morality. what a joke.
There is a higher law than the law of the land, and that is the moral law of nature, which holds always. You can deny the self-evident natural moral laws all you wish, but reality is reality all the same. When they transgress this morality, it is indeed time to put them back in their place – and when there is no law codified to do so, the people must act in its place to restore the natural law.
easy enough, everyone in NZ needs to keep filing complaints that all organizations that work with the RiAA are Guilty. Keep filing false complaints until all organizations in NZ are removed from the net..
ROFL. Speaking of reality: what the hell is "the moral law of nature", where do I find infomation of this set of laws that "holds always"?. And there is no "higher law than the law of the land".
I didn't deny anything either BTW.
And how can people "restore the natural law" … I'll assuming your talking of making the copying of IP lawful for non-commercial use. But in that case seeing as it was never legal to do that ever since the inception of copyright law (aside from "fair use" clauses) how exactly do you propose to restore it?
Ahh, sorry, seems I posted a little off the topic – I was addressing Matthew Holloway and his need to obtain funding for the documentary.
Now I admit i have very very very verrrrry little idea of Japanese cartoons/hentai but its my understanding that these cartoons are supposed to be of adults with (child like) innocent faces?
I really dont think these are of kids… but with my limited knowledge, feel free to correct me.
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roze has revealed himself to be the cliche nerd. a loser who jacks off to cartoons of underage looking girls. i bet when he's not sharing his tin foil hat soliloquies he's probably hanging out around playgrounds sharing candy.
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Thats a real personal attack on a person… and i dont think in very good taste or very well founded… but it might be your next line that explains why:
"and then he has the nerve to preach about morality. what a joke. "
Sounds like being as out spoken as he is, he has ruffled a few feathers ;-)
could that be the reason? to discredit one of the most vocal commentators on this (and other sites)?
While I dont really know Roze I do know the people he complains about: the music industry, RIAA/MPAA/IFPI etc who are real low down scumbags who would pimp there own mother for a 2c increase on CD prices and one extra lobbied law…. that they have no morals is an understatement… the same can be said for those who associate with the above mentioned b@stards low life douchebags as well.
Cheers!
http://www.eZee.se
Now I admit i have very very very verrrrry little idea of Japanese cartoons/hentai but its my understanding that these cartoons are supposed to be of adults with (child like) innocent faces?
I really dont think these are of kids… but with my limited knowledge, feel free to correct me.
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roze has revealed himself to be the cliche nerd. a loser who jacks off to cartoons of underage looking girls. i bet when he's not sharing his tin foil hat soliloquies he's probably hanging out around playgrounds sharing candy.
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Thats a real personal attack on a person… and i dont think in very good taste or very well founded… but it might be your next line that explains why:
"and then he has the nerve to preach about morality. what a joke. "
Sounds like being as out spoken as he is, he has ruffled a few feathers ;-)
could that be the reason? to discredit one of the most vocal commentators on this (and other sites)?
While I dont really know Roze (so i cant really 'vouch' for him one way or the other) I do know the people he complains about: the music industry, RIAA/MPAA/IFPI etc who are real low down scumbags who would pimp there own mother for a 2c increase on CD prices and one extra lobbied law…. that they have no morals is an understatement… the same can be said for those who associate with the above mentioned b@stards low life douchebags as well.
Cheers!
http://www.eZee.se
What the hell… OK.
Once again I'm denying nothing despite your accusations – point out where I did if you can – so calling me a villain is kinda silly IMO.
Morality is an entirely subjective thing and calls to "morality" as you see it mean precisely nothing because of that. Morality is defined by religions for example: if you are Muslim or Jewish it is immoral to consume pork – but that doesn't make it immoral for anybody not subscribing to those faiths despite the fact that Muslims might say to me: "You refuse to see morality as it is, in your immoral and deluded mind." like you did. You can preach that to as many copyright holders as you wish: none of them will or are obliged to take notice of you're views of what is moral or not because it has nothing to do with the fact that current laws in many places allow them to begave as they do.
There is no such thing as "higher reality" – reality is what it is, there can only be one instance of it, not lower and higher "versions". What do you mean by "higher reality". What do you mean by "higher law" for that matter – no point in rattling off catchphrases: laws are intended to be precise, discrete statements to avoid confusion.
"it is indeed not merely I, but the higher reality which affirms the self-evident nature of this truth. The only thing that is appalling is your denial of morality."
A higher reality – a term that means precisely nothing because it is so vague aside from the fact that is a completely abstract concept with no bearing on any entities actions, so it affirms precisley nothing and exists in your own mind and has nothing to do with real life. And again, I denied nothing…
Is it just me or is Roze starting to sound like a street preacher that has lost his mind? All the calls to a "higher morality" and "higher reality" and accusing people of delusion and lack of morals is really… raving?
How about you actually do something in the real world that copyright holders, lawmakers and voters will take notice of – however if you approached any of those entities with the tripe that you just wrote you would be ignored as some kind of raving lunatic. Sorry, but that's just how I see that.
This is kinda pathetic Free Lunch Brigade: you have proved nothing because Roze didn't link to any material as you accused him – as you just pointed out, they were links off pages, not what Roze posted you dumbass:
"and here are some pages that were DIRECT LINKS off the websites YOU POSTED:
h..p://yuriyuri(dot)sakura(dot)ne(dot)jp/ (1 click off the main page!)
h..p://rinrin(dot)saiin(dot)net/~torao/ (1 clicks off the main page!)
h..p://yuriyuri(dot)sakura(dot)ne(dot)jp/sonohana(dot)html (2 clicks off the main page!)
this stuff is downright creepy roze."
So frikkin what? I find goths creepy but so what? The fact that nobody else made any comments regarding that content seems to indicate that nobody else found it offensive, illegal or whatever you're trying to point out. It seems you're the kind of person that can't view material depicting child-like figures without associating them with sexual acts is what that tells me – I mean, why else are you creeped out?.
"the only thing it tells me is that your right to be around children should be abolished."
You're a moronic f*cktard in that case. P*ss off.
This is kinda pathetic Free Lunch Brigade: you have proved nothing because Roze didn't link to any material as you accused him – as you just pointed out, they were links off pages, not what Roze posted you dumbass:
"and here are some pages that were DIRECT LINKS off the websites YOU POSTED:
h..p://yuriyuri(dot)sakura(dot)ne(dot)jp/ (1 click off the main page!)
h..p://rinrin(dot)saiin(dot)net/~torao/ (1 clicks off the main page!)
h..p://yuriyuri(dot)sakura(dot)ne(dot)jp/sonohana(dot)html (2 clicks off the main page!)
this stuff is downright creepy roze."
So frikkin what? I find goths creepy but so what? The fact that nobody else made any comments regarding that content seems to indicate that nobody else found it offensive, illegal or whatever you're trying to point out. It seems you're the kind of person that can't view material depicting child-like figures without associating them with sexual acts committed in reality is what that tells me – I mean, why else are you creeped out?
"the only thing it tells me is that your right to be around children should be abolished."
You're a moronic f*cktard in that case. P*ss off.
Hey look I posted a comment wheeeeeeee! Seriously though. I don't have anything different to add, it's just…. holy crap. Are we really living in '1984'? I mean srsly. WHAT. THE. F????
the websites he posted show links to creepy hentai
… no. They aren't direct links, and, it seems like it is fanart of teenagers and adults in yuri romance series, or something.
roze has revealed himself to be the cliche nerd, blah blah blah…
I don't know where you get this from, but you sure have a strange imagination.
and then he has the nerve to preach about morality. what a joke.
Looks like you lack your own, so you try to discredit others by randomly slandering them, since you have no legitimate points of your own.
the websites he posted show links to creepy hentai
… no. They aren't direct links, and, it seems like it is fanart of teenagers and adults in yuri romance series, or something.
roze has revealed himself to be the cliche nerd, blah blah blah…
I don't know where you get this from, but you sure have a strange imagination.
and then he has the nerve to preach about morality. what a joke.
Looks like you lack your own, so you try to discredit others by randomly slandering them, since you have no legitimate points of your own.
the websites he posted show links to creepy hentai
… no. They aren't direct links (well, this pretty much shows how desperate you are), and, it seems like it is fanart of teenagers and adults in yuri romance series, or something.
roze has revealed himself to be the cliche nerd, blah blah blah…
I don't know where you get this from, but you sure have a strange imagination.
and then he has the nerve to preach about morality. what a joke.
Looks like you lack your own, so you try to discredit others by randomly slandering them, since you have no legitimate points of your own.
the websites he posted show links to creepy hentai
… no. They aren't direct links (well, this pretty much shows how desperate you are, since I linked to a Kannazuki no Miko fanart blog, not to those sites), and, it seems like it is fanart of teenagers and adults in yuri romance series, or something.
roze has revealed himself to be the cliche nerd, blah blah blah…
I don't know where you get this from, but you sure have a strange imagination.
and then he has the nerve to preach about morality. what a joke.
Looks like you lack your own, so you try to discredit others by randomly slandering them, since you have no legitimate points of your own.
the websites he posted show links to creepy hentai
… no. They aren't direct links (well, this pretty much shows how desperate you are, since I linked to a Kannazuki no Miko fanart blog, not to those sites), and, it seems like it is fanart of teenagers and adults in yuri romance series, or something.
roze has revealed himself to be the cliche nerd, blah blah blah…
I don't know where you get this from, but you sure have a strange imagination.
and then he has the nerve to preach about morality. what a joke.
Looks like you lack your own, so you try to discredit others by randomly slandering them, since you have no legitimate points of your own.
doesnt this mean it has already passed?
Get them back!
Once the law is passed I plan to accuse the RIAA and the government of illegal file sharing. Then their websites will be shut down. Hey – it'll be perfectly legal ;)
Tim
Are you serious? I'm an NZlander, and I sure as HELL do not support this act.
gz, we got the same levy round here but since 2008 you're no longer allowed to use "obviously illegally created or distributed material" for copying, so it's basically useless -.- (you can't really be prosecuted for downloading but still sux = /)
BS!!
That would be a great idea to get rid of that fucked up shit
A much better idea is simply a well-funded public education on why this "guilty upon accusation" is a bad idea.
Wow another hilarious law, it'll be easy for any country to shut down NZ by sending Copyright infringement accusation letters to all the IP originating from NZ. And viola the idiotic politicians have prevailed. Sucks to be in NZ tho, I'll take my business elsewhere.
The fact is that what people think is not necessary what is true. If you do not think that slavery or eating babies is okay, even when one thinks it is okay, then morals exist objectively. Even if they do not actually exist, the fact is that it is certainly not best to jettison morals as is, and these morals condemn both slavery and the imposition of copyright on non-commercial activities.
The problem is that morals are entirely subjective and dpend on the individual or groups. Another individual or group will think that some act or belief is morally reprehensible.
Morals are also highly dependent on what the circumstances are as well as individuals. For example: you and me may well think that stealing is wrong but the starving homeless person will have a different moral viewpoint. Slavery is widespread and continues to this day in Africa – it's viewed as morally acceptable by some, perhaps due to lack of resources.
And also, what is "true" is a highly subjective topic as it is built on moral imperatives. In my own country, native people were viewed as animals. not humans, and hence were treated as such. The "truth" 60 years ago to the majority or peope is that blacks were not human's and had the same status as cattle, sheep and kangaroos.
You have a habit of attributing words and statements to me that I never produced: I never said "slavery or eating babies "okay" as long as one thinks that it is okay." or even implied that.
This is a legacy of the bl**dy Labour government who lost the recent election. This is one of their many arrogant and stupid ideas which cost them the election
How many people burn files though, as opposed to HD or portable players, which do not carry the added "levy".
The sad irony about this law is that it was passed by a Labour govt which seems to have believed it was protecting the rights of artists (after all, the front-person for the policy was Judith Tizard, who has done a huge amount to promote NZ art). But the law was shaped by the MPAA & RIAA's local lobby groups, and similar industry lobbies (rather than groups who represent actual artists). Tizard et al seemed oblivious to the distinction.
Local ISPs and net commentators almost universally condemned the law, and are still doing so. But in the mainstream media the issue has generally been framed as one of protecting artists from pirates, which is why I"m so glad Creative Freedom have now launched their campaign (this week they're starting to make waves in newspapers and on TV news).
But Mark R. – are you kidding? Yes, Labour deserved to lose votes over this (and may have done so – after all, Tizard lost her seat!). But now we have a right-wing govt which is even more supportive of corporate property 'rights'. I hope I'm wrong, but I fear it'll be even harder to change this law, under the new National-ACT govt. Sigh…
Excellent idea. How about we claim that the department of internal affairs (who are probably the ones that monitor it) have been involved in file sharing or downloading copyrighted material? They'll get the chop, then watch them bleat. I hope the whole thing blows up in their face big time. It wouldn't take much of an effort to make this happen.
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