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CNET’s Download.com Sued over LimeWire Downloads

CNET’s Download.com and parent company CBS are being sued for several copyright infringement related offenses for their role in distributing LimeWire and other P2P software. The massive lawsuit is being brought by eccentric billionaire and FilmOn founder Alki David, who’s backed by a collection of rappers and R&B groups.

cnetAfter his own company was sued for copyright infringement by several television networks including CBS, FilmOn’s Alki David has now turned the tables. For months the billionaire has been hinting that he might sue CBS for their role in distributing P2P software, and yesterday he filed a complaint with the U.S. District Court of California.

In the lawsuit against CBS Interactive, CNET Networks and LimeWire, David is joined by a collection of rappers and R&B groups including 2 Live Crew, Crucial Conflict and Pretty Ricky. They accuse CNET’s Download.com and the other defendants of several copyright infringement related offenses and are demanding compensation for damages suffered..

“The CBS Defendants have been the main distributor of LimeWire software and have promoted this and other P2P systems in order to directly profit from wide-scale copyright infringement. Internet users have downloaded more then [sic] 220 million copies from Defendants’ website, found at Download.com, since 2008,” the complaint starts.

In addition to LimeWire, the complaint notes that Download.com is still promoting various other P2P-applications which the majority of people use to infringe copyrights. By promoting this software in return for money and by showing users how to download, the CBS defendants are willingly contributing to copyright infringement, the plaintiffs claim.

“The CBS Defendants received massive amounts of revenue from P2P providers on a ‘pay per download’ basis and also from advertising revenues generated by advertisements placed on the download screen for P2P software,” the complaint argues.

“The CBS Defendants’ business model has been so dependent upon P2P and file-sharing that entire pages of Download.com are designed to specifically list and categorize these software offerings.”

“In fact, the CBS Defendants were well aware that these software applications were used overwhelmingly to infringe when they first partnered with LimeWire and other P2P providers, but ignored it in exchange for a steady stream of income.”

The complaint goes on to explain how CNET’s paid editors promoted various P2P-applications, and how they alerted the readers to tools that could circumvent DRM. According to the complaint the entire Download.com system was used to maximize the downloads of various P2P applications, and thus potential copyright infringements.

The above leads the plaintiffs to conclude that CBS and CNET are guilty of inducing copyright infringement, contributory copyright infringement and vicarious copyright infringement. In addition to receiving compensation they want the defendants to stop promoting P2P software.

“Defendants must compensate Plaintiffs for the damages they caused and be ordered to cease future infringement,” Alki David and his crew demand.

Without commenting on the claims in detail, it has to be noted that the Plaintiffs take a huge leap of faith with their allegations. The P2P software (e.g. FrostWire) they want Download.com and others to stop distributing is by no means illegal. LimeWire was found guilty last year not because of the technology it developed, but because it explicitly encouraged infringements.

That said, it seems that the parties in this case are hardly saints when it comes to honoring copyrights. Aside from the FilmOn founder who’s been sued for copyright infringement, several of the artists among the plaintiffs have also been involved in copyright infringement lawsuits, up to the Supreme Court in the case of 2 Live Crew.

In a comment to THR, CBS characterized the lawsuit as a “desperate attempt to distract copyright holders like us from continuing our rightful claims.”

“CBS and a host of other media companies were awarded a court ordered injunction against one of Alki David’s companies last year with respect to that company’s improper use of copyrighted content. His lawsuit against CBS affiliates is riddled with inaccuracies, and we are confident that we will prevail, just as we did in the injunction hearing involving his company,” the company added.

Time will tell who’s right and who’s wrong.


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  • Anonymous

    Plz stop this madness :(

    • Anonymous

      Alki David (Thinking to himself): OOOOH! Those CBS GUYS PISS ME OFF! RRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGE!

      Alki David: Hey 2 Live Crew, Crucial Conflict and Pretty Ricky, you guys aren’t doing anything, mind if I use your names in a lawsuit?

      2 Live Crew, Crucial Conflict and Pretty Ricky: What do we get if we do?

      Alki David: WELL, if I win, I’ll give you some cash for doing absolutely nothing.

      2 Live Crew, Crucial Conflict and Pretty Ricky: Aiight. Where do I sign?

      • Anonymous

        People like me: Who the fuk are 2 Live Crew, Crucial Conflict and Pretty Ricky ?

        Seriously…. tho… who the fuk are they… ?
        I aint gonna google them…. Could be a publicity stunt… so won’t fall for it…

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

          2 Live Crew is a 90s band
          Crucial Conflict… Wait… These guys were has beens then…

          Now they’re never weres!

  • Anonymous

    Plz stop this madness :(

  • Guest

    Smack them in the face with bricks. The court system is not their playground, and they should be punished until they acknowledge such.

  • Guest

    Smack them in the face with bricks. The court system is not their playground, and they should be punished until they acknowledge such.

  • gg

    I hope anonymous teaches Mr Alliance a thing or two, I hope one day all these copy-wrong trolls just die in a pit of fire

    • gg

      Mr Alki not alliance, damn auto correcting smartphone

      • Anonymous

        Not so smart, is it. ;D

        • Anonymous

          : ) …. The stupid things , Smartphones do…… the irony.

        • Ninja

          LOL. There’s a reason why they are called mobile devices. Smartphone is the manufacturers wanting to give em more abilities than they actually have. I’ve bought a phone with Android but seriously? It could do much better ;)

          Note: iPhone is the same, just that it has Nazis behind the store.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          Invoking Godwin’s law is phail, Ninja. :)

          No, they aren’t nazis. Steve Jobs is simply a true-core sysadmin and as such merely continues the hallowed traditions of “Absolute Luser control” as taught by the creed adhered to by any who’ve spent a few hours too many dealing with PEBKAC in a high-bogon environment.

          I pride myself on my anti-authoritarian outlook in principle but I’ll freely admit that given any form of real authority i would more likely than not end up making Stalin look like a bleedin-heart liberal.

          Apple simply, for many functions, delivers a solution expressly designed not to allow the (L)user any form of personal control or freedom. That’s not nazism, it’s simply what happens when you give a Bastard Operator command over a company.

        • Haxor

          there nazis and godwin cant save you hes dead after all…..killed by the same system that you agree with…..GODWIN was a nazi

        • desbest

          The word you’re looking for is Orwellian, not Nazi. Look it up on Wikipedia.

    • Me (the real Me)

      from the start?

      Alki tries to get licence(s) for filmon……aint gonna happen….not because he can’t afford them….he’s minted……its because the likes of CBS simply don’t want to provide them……Alki basically says f**k yall, ima use your sh!t….sort out your lincensing and I will happily pay the fee…..Alki gets sued for copyright infringment.

      Alki highlights the hypocrisy…..
      CBS cry about Copyright Infringment (CI) killing the industry blah blah blah (you lot heard it all before) yet they refuse to provide a license for a legit online business.(artificial scarcity?)

      They love to demonise file sharing and their no fan of DRM circumvention software blah blah blah yet through CNET’s Download.com they promote these very things….Editors on video showing how easy it is to use the “evil” software…..hell they even comment about it being “illegal” and kinda laugh it off.

      I can’t say I approve of limewire being included but that’s probably to gain more traction…..somehow. It wouldn’t surprise me if Alki has a private agreement with limewire to cover their legal expenses in this case (of course that will not be confirmed)

      While Alki may not be a fan of file sharing CI…..this ain’t an attack on file sharers……it’s an attack on the big boys at the top……in this case CBS……surely this is to be applauded…yes?

  • http://www.facebook.com/streetsistalking Sean McGuire

    haha that’s hilarious

    • Ninja

      The guy is completely delusional. I mean, by his ,ogic we should sue even electric power companies because they allow copyright infringements by powering up the computers. The only thing that explains this lawsuit is excess of free time and lack of a girl.

      • Plop

        “… lack of a girl, boy or transexual”

        There, fixed it for you – these are modern times ;)

        LOL

        • Ninja

          Indeed. My bad. and I rofld

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cole-Cunningham/100000784848405 Cole Cunningham

    Never going to fly, Cnet provides the exact same services that Google does, the software is perfectly legal, and Cnet has every right to post it on there website.

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      Next up, lawsuits hitting Sourceforge for distributing open source software?

      • pepsy

        Lol yeah. This guys is attacking the software itself here, which is not illegal to use.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          Depending…i believe the DMCA did initially try to block any software enabling DRM circumvention by making it illegal. Of course the safe harbour provisions more or less gutted that entire part of the legislation as basically, having administrator access to a personal computer OS would count under that interpretation of the DMCA.

          Which hasn’t stopped the US from pushing extremely hard for a similar provision to be enabled in the international ACTA treaty.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          Depending…i believe the DMCA did initially try to block any software enabling DRM circumvention by making it illegal. Of course the safe harbour provisions more or less gutted that entire part of the legislation as basically, having administrator access to a personal computer OS would count under that interpretation of the DMCA.

          Which hasn’t stopped the US from pushing extremely hard for a similar provision to be enabled in the international ACTA treaty.

        • http://crashsuit.blogspot.com crashsuit

          I hear he’s after Sony next, because people use their CD players to listen to burned copies of albums from his client.

        • http://crashsuit.blogspot.com crashsuit

          I hear he’s after Sony next, because people use their CD players to listen to burned copies of albums from his client.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          Going after Sony using copyright law…Damn, i really want to condemn that, but for some reason I’m conflicted…:)

        • http://crashsuit.blogspot.com crashsuit

          I was kidding, sorry. I wanted to describe an analogous situation that was equally ridiculous.

      • Tiesha

        already happened, keep up… they were sued for providing open source softwear emule but i never heard an outcome in the case

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          I can’t find any links about the cases from 2008 so either they still haven’t been admitted to court or the lawsuit was tossed out. I’m guessing the latter.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          I can’t find any links about the cases from 2008 so either they still haven’t been admitted to court or the lawsuit was tossed out. I’m guessing the latter.

      • Tiesha

        already happened, keep up… they were sued for providing open source softwear emule but i never heard an outcome in the case

  • No

    In related news they also launch a lawsuit against lime farmers and wire manufacturers.
    Just cause they could

  • Gman

    Aliki Wins:
    CBS solicits copyright infingmenet on download.com and then takes action on those that use it. (tut tut)

    Aliki Loses:
    CBS defends that P2P is legal.

    • Joseph Ryan

      Proving once again you can’t have your cake and eat it too. Man, I love it when there is blood in the water. Shark cannibalism at its finest. ;-)

  • Gman

    Aliki Wins:
    CBS solicits copyright infingmenet on download.com and then takes action on those that use it. (tut tut)

    Aliki Loses:
    CBS defends that P2P is legal.

  • Even2352

    this is bs. they never promoted copyright at all. them apps had LEGAL uses. c-net did nothing NOTHING illegal

  • Even2352

    this is bs. they never promoted copyright at all. them apps had LEGAL uses. c-net did nothing NOTHING illegal

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  • Biggins Bullnuts

    Just when I thought “Idiocracy” was a lame movie. Now it seems as though they’re right we’re heading right in that direction. seriously.

  • Zen

    Isn’t there a lawsuite against his own company at the moment for Distrubution of Copyrighted Material in the US against FilmOn

    At that his site is pure awful and terribly coded at that his Streams I’d go as far as saying could be quite easily be pirated across other sites.

    • Plop

      Someone didn’t read the article huh!? LAWLZ

  • Anonymous

    So now copyright holders attack each other. Why I could not guess.

    Since P2P software is lawful then good luck on that hopeless case. Only the original limewire could be an issue but even in this case there is no global distribution ban. Frostwire and Limewire pirate edition have no issues being different products created by others.

    So more a case of ‘I dont like you, see you in court’

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  • waka

    Finally, Sumner Redstone is getting what he deserves. This is karma for the Viacom Vs Youtube stunt

  • hotdog

    lol this is hilarious Sumner redstone owner of paramount pictures and viacom the same company that wanted to sue , Youtube but lost is getting sued!! Awesome and i only showed the video from youtube like 20 bajillion times.lol yep karma is a BITCH:D

  • hotsunr

    As long as the copyright holders are fighting among themselves its fine by me

    • Ninja

      It happens with the greedy. The greed is so big and insatiable that they want a piece of the pie that was supposedly from the other greedy man. Then they start fighting each other in an attempt to grab the money of the other. There’s no end to this till there is a single one left.

      • Plop

        So it’s a bit like Highlander then. Er, which one’s the Scottish clansman with a French accent?

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          Neither of them. He’s waiting on the sidelines, munching haggis and waiting for the two other idiots to chop each other up.

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  • SomeAsian

    “demanding compensation for infringement”

    Who the fuck are these guys, I’ve never even heard of them? You can’t listen to their music if you have now fucking idea who they are!!!

  • Asbetteree

    a bull of shit , this has come to the end, they are wasting people money with those shit and overloading court .
    STOP STOP STOP

    • http://crashsuit.blogspot.com crashsuit

      “a bull of shit”

      +1

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Mcintier/1146574107 Sean Mcintier

    Quite interesting. A large media company is getting sued by a small media company over distributing a program that may be used to commit copyright infringement.

    Umm, aren’t they supposed to be on the same side? This really makes me think that MAFIAA and the like are not the bad guys, but they themselves are being brainwashed by the lawyers(the ones who get rich from all these cases!)

    Think about it for a second, old CEO dudes that know nothing about technology. Smart lawyers telling them “These guys called pirates are using the internet to steal money from you! You must protect yourselves! They will destroy the music industry!”.

    Just sayin, its a possibility that the music and film industries really aren’t the bad guys. Flame away.

    • Ivor Bigun

      no flame from me fella, I think you have a very good point, but I suspect it’s a bit of both.

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      Well…the MPAA/RIAA/fill-in-the-blank-acronyms are doing what any company must do in order to survive; Obtain cash by any means the law will allow.

      Most normal companies do this by selling a product, The MPAA does it by doing legal dirty work on behalf of copyright holders suckered into believing that there’s a big ole pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

      Here’s the thing: If copywrong goes away or becomes reformed to common sense, then so does the market niche for every lawyer employed by the MPAA.

      So yes. The “bad guys” are a bunch of sleazy lawyers who know full well that their future meal tickets come from the status quo of handling massive lawsuits.
      The movie/film industry are just big business and act accordingly. Destructively, in many cases.

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  • Bearplushie

    idiots

  • Guest

    idoits

  • coffeeright

    These copywrong industries only want money. Money, money, money! Can we sue these copywrong people for trying to pirate money? Lol. Honestly, the copyright peoples (purposeful misspelling) should of course make money, but they just, get too much now. Grrrr.

  • RIAAtarded

    Stupidity p2p software is just a distribution platform it doesn’t pirate and has tonnes of legit uses. I get all my open source content in this manner.Would be like suing ford for drive by shootings. Yeah sure that shit happens but ford gives you airbags not guns so I’m certain they can’t be held liable for any wrong doing with there product. Q on the other hand maybe.

  • Dr_Faustus

    Scribd, that’s a neat little tool. Wish TSG would follow your example, their site is a headache to navigate through.

    Contributory copyright infringement and vicarious copyright infringement are the two types of Indirect form of infringement. You can fill in the blanks and lead to the conclusion that this means fuck-all in the real world and a lawsuit would not hold much water in court. I’ve been calling these frivolous acts “Lawl-Suits” because they’re lawl and they’re filed by the suits.

    But hey, if some rappers who talk about raping women and abusing drugs want to go up against CBS, more power to them. The way I see it? The less money those neanderthals have, the better off we all are..The typographical errors in the complaint are just a sign of what will become of it. Jerome, Detron and Mr. Baby Blue will I’m sure make for some very entertaining reading if this goes any further. Cheers.

    • Donotreply

      Another fine post Dr_Faustus

      Still, all these lawl-suits do make for cheap comedy for the rest of us and makes me wonder who needs to buy a comedy movie when you could read about these clowns instead (whoops that’s a lost sale right there =P ).

  • markie

    Suing a CNET because you can download p2p software. That’s the funniest thing i’ve heard.

    Does that mean i can sue a tire company because my cars tire went flat?

    • http://profiles.google.com/gareth.andrew.lloyd Gareth Andrew Lloyd

      Hmm….sounds like a meta argument….I’ll start explicitly encouraging people to visit download.com which explicitly encourages the user to download software which explicitly encourages infringement. I’ll get sued next.

  • Ramza81

    Next thing we read is they’re suing the actor/actress for making the song/movie so they are there to be pirated

  • Ramza81

    Next thing we read is they’re suing the actor/actress for making the song/movie so they are there to be pirated

    • Ninja

      If you think about it I could be sued for listening songs on my car with the windows open since some1 might hear and go download the complete version. I”m promoting copyright infringement!

      Seriously, clowns at their finest.

  • Amilius

    What is next. People will be sued for distributing winrar?

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4CUFGPXYI63VY7JGZWHBB2NI4Q albie

    The trouble with Limewire is that the owner made a fortune from it,and there’s are no legal torrents on it

    • Whatever

      It has nothing to do with torrents.

      Go read the Wiki.

  • copyandprint@hotmail.co.uk

    it’s beginning to be like that game where you whack down an appearing head that pops up with a mallet….and two pop back up in its place. maybe it should become a reality show, popular if certain peoples participated?

    • Donotreply

      Whack-a-mole

      In place of a mole, have some dirty copyright lawyer and a gavel for a hammer (would be a bit of a meme or something for these copyright trolls too =) )

  • jus to much bwahahaha

    Might as well just sue the makers of computers too rightaway HP Compact Apple cause you can potensially download something from them. Oooooh lets get a lynch moc ready …..I mean a lawsuit ;(

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  • Fred

    He’s f**king ugly that’s for sure.

  • Whatever

    This bored vengeance hungry billionaire should be fined at least 1/2 of his fortune for abusing the legal system for his own personal revenge. It has nothing todo with his 3rd rate artists at all (Next time the 2nd half).

    Otherwise sourceforge.net for would be in trouble for a few more P2P programs and “DDOS” tools.

    Obviously, a billionair has nothing better todo than to abuse the legal system with retarded lawsuits.

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  • Anonymous

    seriously… P2P itself isn’t illegal last time I checked

    • IDIOCRACY

      Yes but in USA it is forbidden (soon) to use or sell anything that can be used for illegal stuff.
      So (soon) cars, guns, safety shoes with steel noses, leaving your home with your hands out of your pocket, kitchen knives, wood axes, airplanes, gasoline, etx will all be forbidden because you can kill people with it….

      If only….

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  • Elukok

    Ohh then they can sue car manufactures for building autos which crashes and kills people. Car can also carry stolen things. Ban all the cars!!! They should basicly ban the internet!!

  • Anonymous

    You have got to be kidding me. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
    anon-toolz.at.tc

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  • mshenrick

    i wonder when someone will sue wget

  • Anonymous

    Wow, so now copyright whores are suing copyright whores…

  • Anonymous

    Stop downloading on Limewire and use Usenet / Newsgroups ! It’s more secure than this software, or megaupload, rapidshare…Compare usenet providers on http://best-newsgroup-provider.com !! Access to unlimited offers

  • Buzzdasnake

    I will be suing my car maker because my car goes faster than the legal speed limit… Looking forward to my big payout ;o)

  • Anon

    P2P is not illegal.

  • Predator

    Governements are not doing their job to protect the citizen and internet against the corporation of parasites. On the contrary they are helping them!

    We have to destroy these corporations by any mean.

  • desbest

    Here’s information from FilmOn CEO, which is a source of information. It’s a video of a really good argument of hard evidence.
    CBS are hypocrites. Promoting piracy whilst they are a part of the MPAA.
    http://www.filmon.com/cbsyousuck/

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  • Alis

    Why don’t they just sue the one who invented the internet and try to have it outlawed once and for all… Thats what this idiocy is going to, everything in contact with “piracy” is being sued so next part is making internet illegal because it can be used to illegally download shit. Maybe after that they can sue all harddrive manufacturers because they can be used to store pirated material. Maybe even sue people because they have hands that can be used to use keyboards and mouses that can be used to use a computer that can be used to use the internet and eventually download illegal shit.

  • XeEmO

    That is absolutely fucking retarded. I’m burning my 2 live crew records.

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    http://getmp3forfree.eu
    Free Mp3 Search, Download and Listen Engine + Music Videos !!!!!

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