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Comcast Protests “Shake Down” of Alleged BitTorrent Pirates

Comcast has run out of patience with the avalanche of BitTorrent lawsuits in the United States. The ISP is now refusing to comply with court-ordered subpoenas, arguing that they are intended to “shake down” subscribers by coercing them to pay settlements. Copyright holders have responded furiously to Comcast’s new stance, claiming that the ISP is denying copyright holders the opportunity to protect their works.

bittorrentUnited States citizens who download and share copyrighted files through BitTorrent risk being monitored and in some cases subjected to legal action.

In recent years more than a quarter million alleged BitTorrent users have been sued in federal courts. Most of the lawsuits are initiated by adult entertainment companies, but mainstream movie studios and book publisher John Wiley and Sons have also joined in.

These copyright holders request a subpoena from the court to order ISPs to identify the alleged BitTorrent users through an IP-address. They then contact the account holder with a request to settle the case in return for a sum of money.

Initially Comcast complied with these subpoenas, but an ongoing battle in the Illinois District Court shows that the company changed its tune recently.

Instead of handing over subscriber info, Comcast asked the court to quash the subpoenas. Among other things, the ISP argued that the court doesn’t have jurisdiction over all defendants, because many don’t live in the district in which they are being sued. The company also argues that the copyright holders have no grounds to join this many defendants in one lawsuit.

The real kicker, however, comes with the third argument. Here, Comcast accuses the copyright holders of a copyright shakedown, exploiting the court to coerce defendants into paying settlements.

“Plaintiffs should not be allowed to profit from unfair litigation tactics whereby they use the offices of the Court as an inexpensive means to gain Doe defendants’ personal information and coerce ‘settlements’ from them,” Comcast’s lawyers write.

“It is evident in these cases – and the multitude of cases filed by plaintiffs and other pornographers represented by their counsel – that plaintiffs have no interest in actually litigating their claims against the Doe defendants, but simply seek to use the Court and its subpoena powers to obtain sufficient information to shake down the Doe defendants.”

Comcast cites several previous cases to back up their claims and points out that federal rules require courts to deny discovery “to protect a party or person from annoyance, embarrassment, oppression, or undue burden or expense.”

The attorney for adult publisher AF HOLDINGS is furious at Comcast’s refusal to comply. He asks the court to disregard the ISP’s arguments entirely, and accuses Comcast of denying copyright holders the opportunity to protect their works.

“Comcast’s delay in objecting to the Plaintiffs’ subpoenas is part of a wider campaign to deny and delay the Plaintiffs’, and other similar copyright holders’, ability to protect their copyrighted works. Comcast routinely objects to subpoenas issued to it by producers of adult content,” AF HOLDINGS’writes.

“Even after courts regularly order Comcast to comply with the subpoenas, Comcast fights tooth and nail to resist complying.”

The case is now in the hands of Judge Gary Feinerman, who has to decide whether Comcast has to hand over the subscriber data after all, or whether the subpoenas should be destroyed.

Whatever the outcome, Comcast’s protest is part of a growing trend in which Internet providers object to handing over subscriber data in mass-BitTorrent cases. Previously, Verizon did the same, successfully arguing that it has an obligation to protect the privacy of its customers.

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  • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

    How ironically , creators of sex to watch (porn) are being fucked themselves.

    • Gearmentation

       …lame…

      • Predator

        Vote:

        Shall these corporate copyright parasites  be

        a) Hanged.
        b) Shoot.
        c) decapitated?

        Check only one (unless you are really made)

        • Guest

          “Shall these corporate copyright parasites  be

          a) Hanged.b) Shoot.Xc) decapitated?”

          Actually this is the way I would like this to happen:

          Script.

          ACPTE HOLDER: Oh you found me!!!

          BANG ! !

          JOHN WILEY: Haarg!

          ACPTE HOLDER: Bad luck.

           

        • One of the John Does

          I am really made:

          first a then c

        • Caladol1

          fine with me , just bury them upside down,so that they find they’r way to hell

        • Judy L. Smith

          I mean really, whoever suggested that value for the first time needs to be castrated. http://JoinedTheTeamNow.notlong.com

        • Alien

          You forgot raped
          Should it be put before a) or after c)

        • Peepee

           Thou shalt not decapitate people without their written approval.

        • Anonymous

          As in the Wizard of Oz, we shall cut off their heads 7 times and then jail them for life!

        • Gamel3125126jrkl

           First, shot in every point that isn’t vital, hang them to suffocate and before they die, take ‘em down and bring in the guillotine!!! (make sure their faces see the blade)

        • Anonman

           Better ide, let a bunch a lolis with strap ons rape em to death.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wayne-E-Hendrix/1519591943 Wayne E. Hendrix

           ALL OF THE ABOVE!

        • Anonymous

          my roomate’s ex-wife got paid $15158 the prior week. she is making an income on th e laptop and got a $584800 home. All she did was get fortunate and set to work the advice shown on this web site 

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      • Anonymous

        my classmate’s mom made $ 18460 l ast week. s he is ge tting p aid o n the l aptop a nd mo ved in a $ 571 600 house. A ll sh e did w as g et lu cky an d fo llow the t ips ma de cl ear o n th is si te 

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      • er0n

        That’s probably why so many liked the comment…

    • Guest

      BREAKING NEWS

      US dollar motto changes to “in VPN we trust”

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    • Anonymous

      The only problem there was Hollywood once had a nice monopoly over the porn market and made millions because of it. Life has much changed for them since.

      When the Internet started this was not a big problem when adult content was hidden behind subscription sites but now porn has become free in sites like YouPorn, PornTube, PornHub etc. They allow people to make money in a link back system like if you enjoyed the clip visit their site to buy the full DVD/BluRay.

      In this day and age anyone can “do the dirty” and upload where many who can bang hard already do. So Hollywood’s porn monopoly has been shattered and they now sue out of their bitterness. As the saying goes if a company needs to sue their own customers then their business model is broken. It only seems a matter of time before they fade into history.

      I can’t see any regrets here when Hollywood porn has mostly always had the quality of a fast food restaurant.

    • Anonymous

       I laughed at this comment WAY longer than I should have.

  • 234234

    this is strange considering comcast is owned by nbc universal

    • Blah, blah and blah

      Actually it is the quite opposite of that, or somewhat. It says here on wikipedia that NBC Universal is a subsidiary of Comcast, holding a majority share (51%) over GE.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comcast 

    • http://twitter.com/PluMGMK VIGoV Productions

      Actually, it’s the other way round. Plus, Comcast owns only 51% of it.

      • jewpacabra

        Only? 51% is a lot.

      • Kjdfs

        That’s a majority stake. Which effectively means that they OWN the other company. All you need to do is own 51% to take control over a company.

    • Euroextc

      wrong…Comcast OWNS Nbc universal.

  • Andrew Lee

    I guess they figured it’s more of a loss in the long run to comply if they lose customers. Seriously though the courts should be doing  a hell of a lot more to prevent such bullshit. A 250k Fine for a 18$ piece of plastic is just retarded.. I mean really, whoever suggested that value for the first time needs to be castrated.

    • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/ SJD

      I agree that growing awareness about the extortion practice reached the tipping point so even bureaucratic masses such as Comcast finally allowed a simple idea to penetrate their hard scull: that being in bed with trolls may cost them customers in the future.

      I’m aware of a dozen of situations when people switched their ISPs. Admittedly, the number is too low to make a difference, but it may be a sign of a bigger trend. One guy recently received a call asking what they can do to win him back: he told them what he thinks about trolls and ISPs who are too quick to betray their customers.

      • http://www.facebook.com/toddiuszho Todd Trimmer

        Comcast’s expenses in paying wages to workers to perform the actual subpoena compliance is probably a lot more than the lost income from defecting subscribers.

        • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/ SJD

          Well, pure math does not always work in the long run. Reputation is a serious matter, unless it’s a de-facto monopoly, and, admittedly,  in many areas consumers don’t have a choice.  But…

          With Internet it’s hard to predict what is the next viral news, and it very much can be a reputation killer. Or booster.Hyundai is comparable with Toyota or Honda, but much cheaper. Why? Because they were stupid to neglect reputation a decade ago, and this mistake still haunts them. 

  • trolololol

    Since Verizon did it, Comcast wants to do it too, which will result into mass change eventually..

    • John

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        • Kanye

          Yo Anonymous, I’m really happy for you and I agree fully with what you want to say and imma let you finish but you kinda failed doing the ascii-fingers

        • Anonymous

          @9bbd822b9b08149c1a5d259803acf7be:disqus that’s not my problem, but that of Disqus. Look it up on google, Disqus sucks at formatting for anonymous users and torrentfreak staff suck for using it!

        • John

          @b81c975b7af36f6504926b4d23ce30af:disqus I didn’t have any issues with mine so ???(?_?)??? 

          ;)

        • Anonymous

          @webmastir2:disqus Thats probably cos you’re signed in and I’m not. it does behave differently so it seems.

      • Decimus

        From all that I had heard, Comcast was one of the worst ISP’s to have to deal with.  While this is a big step in the right direction, I’d rather thank them for making choices that are in the interest of their customers than to respond with offensive gestures.

        They may be far from perfect, but let’s be civil about this.

  • Anonymoose

    If I lived in the USA I’d switch to Comcast in an instant. It’s good to see an ISP standing up for us.

    • blank

       till they pull the 250gb data cap bs on you. still, it is encouraging.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        They have removed that recently, in case you didn’t notice. Anyway, I use 1TB of bandwidth some months and haven’t heard Comcast complain about it after I threatened to take my business and advise my friends to take their business elsewhere.

      • Anonymous

         They’ve gotten much better to say the least, they upped the cap to 300GB which realistically MOST people aren’t even going to come close, and instead of cutting off your service after 2 times breaking the cap they’ve instead decided to charge $10 for every additional 50GB you go over 300. I’ll take that. Still not great but a HUGE improvement over their old system.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Still not reasonable in the slightest. It’s just another attempt to dip into people’s pockets and keep people from using the new ways to get content.

        • Anonymous

          Wait, 250GB caps? How can I get one of these?! :O

          I have a 20GB cap; be damn happy you get so much data in.

        • Buzzkill

          I have gone way over the several months in a row and never been charged a dime. I do occasionally get an email that I have gone over but never charged or dropped.

        • Guest

           This *has not* been decided.  Right now there is *no* cap.  The 300GB + $10/50GB over is just one of the options for the future.

        • Rallias

          They haven’t officially implemented that yet.

      • Anonymous

        The thing that bothers me most about trying to cap internet usage…how on god’s earth are you supposed to know how much you’re using. It took me a long time to sign in and search my profile on Comcast’s website to find where they display it. If they are going to do a cap, then somehow they are going to have to force you to install a program that does a countdown on your desktop (like cell phones). But of course that will never happen. Customers would go ballistic.

    • Eric79

      Comcast is the absolute worst company I’ve ever dealt with. I pulled cable because of their horrible service. Prison time is better than dealing with them

      • Ex-Inmate

         As someone who’s done prison time, I can agree.  I got thrown in solitary for a month for organizing a protest demanding the prison switch to Dish Network because Comcast was so shitty.

      • Anonymous

        that’s weird they are one of the best companies I have dealt with….if I had a problem I called and it was fixed within the next day…..but I have only dealt with ATT (DSL) and Suddenlink cable …..neither comes close to the service I got from Comcast

    • The guy

      Granted they are not the best ISP, this is still good news and they will likely gain a slightly better customer fanbase and a bit more credibility for sticking up for their customers instead of caving and forking over their customers info as of recently.

    • Pooboy

       This is only because thtey’re too lazy to actually deal with the problem, not because they care about their customers in the least bit.

      • ComcrapSucks

        Wrong! This is because they are not getting bribed, I mean “compensated” to hand over the data. Go check out all the current and past cases in D.C. and report back.

    • Sketch

      yeah for about one month, then all the damn data caps would kill you lolz, cumcast still sux balls

    • ComcrapSucks

      You must have been asleep all this time, but where was Comcrap when Kurtz, Dunlap, Grubb, and Weaver, paid them off in exchange for customer information. Comcrap should be boycotted and any Does caught up with these troll would be stupid enough not to switch ISPs to make a statement.

  • Xenexodus

    I’ts about time Comcast did something.

  • Copephobia

    Comcast is good and all with their protections, but their prices are pretty rough. Especially advertising a 20Mbps connection, when the fine print says it is applied to the first 10mb of a file, then the connection becomes 6Mbps.

    • Rallias

      inb4 download a bunch of 10 mb files.

  • Blah, blah and blah

     I wouldn’t say Comcast deserve internet sainthood just about now. If they had the power to take over all of their competition (the other major US ISP), and then simply merge their own subsidiaries with newly acquired subsidiaries, would almost give them the ability to finally have a say on what their customers can share on the internet. 
    Not likely going to happen. But I wouldn’t rule that out as an impossibility only because it is hard to know and determine which corporation is eventually going to be able to one day take over every media organization in the US.

  • Anonymous

    had the stupid ISPs not agreed to ‘voluntarily’ join the 6 strikes regime in the US, maybe this sort of shake down would not be happening. the other thing that isn’t mentioned but should go in Comcast’s favour is the fact that multiple rulings in the US courts state that an IP address doesn’t identify an infringer, only an account holder. seems strange they haven’t added that into their arguments

    • Guest

      The problem is none really gets to argue in court about the legality of ip addresses they just settle to make it go away. And if someone had to decide to go to court the threat goes away.

    • Anonymous

      The problem with the 6-strikes plan is that this is all being done outside of Government control which also means they have none of the protections.

      With such a massive scheme it is quite likely many of the accused will turn around and sue their ISPs and the rights holders behind them. There is still a huge gap between known court rulings and this 6-strikes plan that will one day need to be closed.

      I can only see three possible outcomes here. The most likely is a large anti-trust lawsuit that shuts the scheme down when no private companies are allowed Government-like powers to abuse the market. Second would be the scheme failing when court rulings make it non-viable. Then last would be for the Government to step in and take control which could well raise some Constitution and Bill of Rights issues.

  • Gearmentation

    Dang, if I could get Comcast in my area, I would shift to them… even if it lowered my speed and I paid more, just for moral reasons!

    • Anonymous

      If you’re shopping on moral reasons, Comcrap still has a LOT of ground to make up to file sharers and regular customers alike.  Or did you forget this is the very same ISP franchise that did and/or does forge RSTs to close torrent-like connections?

      I feel that six-strikes is a move to give the MAFIAA all they want while making it more difficult/expensive for smallholders to defend their copyrights.

      • Gearmentation

         Good point.  If TorrentFreak is right about 6 strikes though, it’s toothless

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  • too short

    Comcast should require a fee, say $2000 for information on a client, to cover costs of course ;) .  That would prevent all the frivolous suits against their clients.

    • davidwr

      No, they should charge a nominal fee that actually covers the cost.

      The courts should charge the LAWYERS a fee equal to the fees they collect from their clients if the courts believed that the courts were abused.

      Lawyers and law firms who repeatedly offend, even across multiple jurisdictions, should have their licenses sanctioned and they should be barred from the general type of lawsuit – in this case, copyright-enforcement suits – for a long enough time to get their attention – 30 days for starters, a year or longer for a subsequent offense.

  • RIAAtarded

    Yeah don’t forget that comcast supported SOPA and PIPA and they are still active in this new 6 strikes crap. As such I wouldn’t be so fast to pat them on the back when they do 1 thing right but the majority of everything else is not in the best interests of their customers.

    • Anonymous

       I concur but I am glad they are at least taking a step 1 approach.

  • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/ SJD

    Actually it may be a sign of a bigger good news. That’s what I mean:

    Big companies, including ISPs usually employ big and equally inflexible lawfirms. Those big lawfirms hate risk and won’t take any case if the likelihood of success is low. And it was the case last year, but hopefully now the situation is different if those firms finally agreed to do the best, not only the easiest, thing for their clients.So, I’m far from painting Comcast as a paragon of customer interest protection, but I cheer the current situation.

    • Comcrap Sucks

      I bet you anything the trolls didn’t bother to setup a backdoor deal with Comcrap and that is the only reason they are pushing back, since they have been spoiled by being on USCG’s payroll.

      • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/ SJD

        Yep, I hear the rumors that Dunlap bribed certain Comcast employees to secure data way before filing lawsuits. There are stories that support this, and it is quite believable. 

        Regardless of that, there is no contradiction with what I said: in any huge organization the right hand does not know what the left does, so multiple tendencies may manifest themselves in similar ways. 

        When (and it’s just a matter of time) public opinion sways heavily against trolls and awareness reaches critical level, no doubt ISPs will resist more frivolous subpoenas, and they of course will paint it as care for customers… I’m willing to forgive them this little lies for the greater good of witnessing legal system recovering  from the trolling plague. 

  • IP ISP

    A judge should never allow even a request for (IP-ISP) discovery by a copyright Troll plaintiff useless, at a minimum, the following information is first provided by the plaintiff and can be verified. 

    1) The full title of the copyrighted “work” (ie “Big Fat Dildos on Ice”) 
    2) Proof if and when the “work” copyright was ever registered 
    3) Valid HASH ID of the alleged torrent swarm in question 
    4) Exact dates when defendant “Doe” IP address entered swarm
    4) Proof that plaintiff submitted valid DMCA notices to search engine services 

    Often, Troll lawyers are so sloppy and incompetent that most of the cases would be thrown out BEFORE a judge even entertains a request for IP-ISP discovery. 

    Most copyright “holders” are too lazy to even DMCA Google to remove links to their crap “works”.  These Troll cases should never go forward at all especially if the plaintiff never even tried the least effort to remove links to torrents of their precious “works”.   

    • DMCA

      Not a single DMCA sent to Google for this crap movie … 

      https://www.google.com/#q=27E60FE16820E5AF153BAA59A625A7096386C67F&hl=en&prmd=imvns&ei=xJjXT82XIMXH0QWIrO2IBA&start=0&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=49a5f3aca435e495&biw=1120&bih=594 

      I guess Warner Brothers doesn’t care if it’s download via BT. 

      • Decimus

        Yeah, Wrath of the Titans just looked lame.  But what’s even worse is that there is such a high percentage of pure garbage that is being distributed by Hollywood.  The best movies are typically made before the year 2000.  We’ve had some good movies recently, but sometimes it seems that some are good only because my expectations have been lowered.  Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, and the Avenger movies are the best we have, and even though they are pretty good, all the garbage in between just seems so trashy.

        Games have been improving in graphics, but as far as gameplay goes, a lot of games just can’t offer as much fun as a lot of the older games.  Because of this, we see constant repackaging of older games.  Porn is probably about the same as it always was.  Now it’s so much easier to distribute.

        Give better quality, get better profits.  Stop suing the fans.  Take care of the fanbase and the fanbase will take care of you.  They accuse “pirates” of having no morals and of owing you half a billion dollars.  They then send lawyers after us to “settle” the issues.

        You have to give respect to get respect.

  • Anonymous

    This kinda news gets boring after a while. I mean its just another stupid money loving copyright holder going against normal people who really have done nothing wrong.

    Sooner or later, there are going to be restrictions on how many people can watch a DVD movie at one time.

    • adifferentdude123

      “Sooner or later, there are going to be restrictions on how many people can watch a DVD movie at one time.”

      Dunno about you, but I’ve never really sat down and read the smallprint crap that you can’t fast forward through at the beginning of a DVD, so it’s probably already the case! I know they tried to get legislation brought to limit what size a TV set could be before it could be classed as a ‘Cinema’ and taxed accordingly… what utter scum the MAFIAA are.

      • Guest

        “Dunno about you, but I’ve never really sat down and read the smallprint
        crap that you can’t fast forward through at the beginning of a DVD,”

        I’ve read it, but I just thought it was a suggestion.  If you rip the dvd to a file and cut out the FBI warning, does that nullify the copyright?  I only ask that because I don’t take the warning seriously.  I don’t sell the movie or profit from it in any way, if anyone asks to borrow the movie, I let them.  How is that different from filesharing?  I always say, “If you like it, buy it.”  People generally know what’s worth paying for, even though the MAFIAA feels they should pay for everything.

        • anon

          If you want to know the actual legal difference between letting someone borrow a movie and filesharing, it’s this–when you lend someone a movie, no copy is being made.  The first sale doctrine is a legal doctrine that allows you to dispose of your individual copy of a copyrighted work in whatever way you want.  Lend it, sell it, burn it, whatever.  But when you fileshare, you aren’t really giving up your copy, you are making a duplicate…so the first sale doctrine does not apply.  The exclusive right to make copies is one of the fundamental rights granted by copyright law.  Even if you give someone a copy online and then immediately delete the original file, you are still technically in violation.

          And you definitely aren’t nullifying a copyright by removing the warning.  There doesn’t have to be any warning at all.  Anything you put in print is automatically protected by copyright.  That is the default legal rule.  No registration required (although registering gives you additional protections under law). 

          Copyright law is horribly ill-equipped to deal with today’s technology. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/djdutrow Robert Dutrow

    I really didn’t expect Comcast to take a stance against this, +1 for them. Even though they throttled me a few years ago, I ain’t even mad.

  • Anonymous

    Comcast will be a part in the 6 strikes yer out so this News Story is garbage to me.Comcast and Slime Warner and others will be more than happy to sell you out once they are all ready to go on the 6 strikes.

    • Anonymous

      When these ISPs go on to Six Strikes they’ll have a momentary brain infarct during which they’ll think that PIPA, SOPA, ACTA, CISPA, and TPP passed Congress as intended and that they have Immunity from Liability.  After their brain seizures, their pockets will be stuffed with truckloads of paper representing their Customer’s legal claims.  These will NOT be small claims.  Appended to those papers, in fine eyebusting print…….will be very very LARGE numbers!. 

      At that point, their attorneys will whisper three things in their ear: 

      First, PIPA, SOPA, ACTA, CISPA, and TPP did NOT pass as intended; and, no alternative legal vehicle has yet been put in place to give them broad Immunity from Liability. 

      Second, every single one of the coercive remedies to be applied to customers under Six Strikes arises within collusively agreed private commercial terms of service unilaterally imposed by a very small group of large regulated ISPs to dictate attributes of the national American telecommuninations market.  Basis in Law?  WHAT basis in Law?  ALL aspects of this regime are vulnerable to challenge!!

      Third, (and this returns us squarely to why Trolls never want to move filed cases any distance up the legal process), the closer these claims come to definitive Constitutional review in the APPELLATE Courts, the closer Claimants are to a Historicly never before imagined Payday; and, the closer Copyright Holders are to an essential legal and political nullification of their MONOPOLY powers. 

      Of course, you only Really have those Constitutional Rights you care enough about to use and defend.  The last desperate Hope of Copyright Holders and the ISPs who have agreed to protect them via Six Strikes, is that their Customers will be so Asleep at the Wheel that they won’t even know they’ve been sodomized.

      • Anonymous

         I would really hope the US Public gets very angry and does it quickly once this 6 Strikes is implemented.I can see a lot of Mr. Normals getting pretty upset over threatening letters from their ISP especially if they never did anything in the first place.

  • http://twitter.com/PensionForLife PensionForLife

    ?LOL- Get ready Comcast customers to get it right up the ass?My advice: Leave???????

  • Anonymous

    Dude I had no idea Comcast was so cool like that. Wow.
    Anon-Geeks.tk

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Weisinger/548351406 Daniel Weisinger

      Comcast could care less and would easily sell you out. The problem is when they ask for insane amounts of money the people that do pay it can no longer afford their service… so they lose a customer. People hear about it and don’t want to use Comcast, so they lose more customers. Plus it’s positive news when they’ve had a history of pissing people off.

      Long story short: They aren’t protecting you, they’re protecting their revenue and enjoying the good PR.

      • Fredrika

        You’re responding to a well known spammer, that isn’t interested in any debate. In a pathetic attempt at not getting his spam deleted he comes up with meaningless ignorant one-liners that follows the topic to a minimal. Just flag the comment or report the user profile to Disqus.

  • X1q5

    Here’s another way of looking at this:

    The 6 strikes policy, if I recall correctly, has a 30ish dollar fee somewhere in the process- and I’m guessing it isn’t after the first strike.  In theory, you could have first strikers being approached by copyright trolls and get scared enough to stop offending. If that were to be the case, comcast doesn’t get paid.

    • Troll Lawyers Suck

      It’s a $35 fee to contest the strike. 
      You do not get charged a fee when you get a strike. 

      The six strikes plan is so flawed, however, that I doubt it will ever get implemented.  But if it keeps Troll Lawyers away then God Bless. 

      I hate Troll Lawyers.

      • Chris Dodd the Godd

        Chris Dodd hates you.  You’re obviously a pirate and you likely have stolen our intellectual property.  It’s not anything that any of us have thought up, but we’ve paid someone for the ideas so that we can charge people like you for partaking in the work that we distribute.  So, since we own the ideas, you owe us money.

        And STOP SINGING HAPPY BIRTHDAY, THAT’S OUR SONG TOO!!!  ALL YOUR MONEY ARE BELONG TO US!!!!

        • Anonymous

          “ALL YOUR MONEY ARE BELONG TO US!!!!”

          ROTFLMAO

  • davidwr

    Simple solution:

    1) Require that the subpoena list be trimmed to just those customers in this court’s jurisdiction

    2) Require that the names be turned over to the court, not to the prosecutor.

    3) Require that the court, at the plaintiff’s expense, make a determination as to whether a specific defendant can be found.  This pretty much wipes out anyone who doesn’t live by themselves and anyone who has unsecured or WEP-”secured” WiFi.

    4) Because of the plaintiff’s lawyers’ history, make the plaintiff and their legal team sign a memorandum of understanding stating that any settlement offer is subject to court approval AND that should the defendant reject the settlement, that damages will be capped at the LOWER of: 150% of the offered amount OR 100% of offered amount plus reasonable and actual attorneys fees and reasonable interest dating from the date of the offer.  In other words, if they make an offer for, say, $20000, and reasonable and actual legal fees add up to more than $10,000, the plaintiff and legal team will have to eat the difference.  This will incentivize the plaintiffs to not make lowball settlement offers, which will in turn incentivize the defendant to fight.

    5) Because of the nature of the alleged infringement, the court should, up front, invoke the “no unreasonable fines” statute of the US constitution, declare that statutory damages that are in excess of actual damages are tantamount to a fine, and put an absolute cap on the damages as actual damages, reasonable and actual legal fees, etc. plus what it considers a “reasonable” fine.  No more “200,000 per song” statutory damages for Joe Citizen infringers.

    OK, maybe not so simple, but it will make sure these suits only go forward if the plaintiffs are serious about getting justice rather than trying to milk a cash cow.

  • https://whattheserver.me/ WhatTheServer.me

    Great to See this
    Always thought Comcast was the one shafting us but apparently they got our back or want us to think so. Wouldn’t download straight to home without a vpn anyways so doesn’t effect me any lol
    Big thanks Comcast keep it up :D

    • Anonymous

       Comcast is a business.  I think this is a simple business calculation.  Piss off 1000 broadband customers and lose however many of them due to a lawsuit, or fight the lawsuit.

  • Guest

    They’re furious at Comcast for finally saying the truth about this horrible elephant in the room.
    Truth surely hurts the most.

    All my respect to Comcast, seriously. Were I in the US I’d change to Comcast right away.
    All their arguments are true and justice should be on their side.
    This should be a wake up call to all ISP’s too. The dying MAFIAA watchdogs have been allowed all this nonesense for far too long and they just love making life hard for the ew tech industries.
    But the tech industries have been slowly getting tired of it, either finally realizing the true motivations behind the media copyright nutjobs or being forced to fight back to survive.
    But this cold war of sorts can’t last forever.

    • Anon1

      I think their only motive for defending the account holders is because they don’t want to lose customers. If not for that – if they knew they could make the money that they would lose from those customers back – they would hand over their information in a heartbeat.

      I have Comcast, but I also have a VPN/Proxy, and I use Tor when necessary. I know I don’t have to worry about their six strikes bullshit, because you can bet they were the first ones at the negotiating table when it was introduced. They’re far from perfect.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Weisinger/548351406 Daniel Weisinger

        They’re a company like any other, they’re just finally understanding that just because they’re big doesn’t mean they can do what they want… and that their customers are the ones that give them power to begin with.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Chicken8Knuckles Charles Tucholski

    It’s great Comcast has this stance, but they still are untrustworthy with users privacy. They are the biggest supporters of the 6 strikes, here in the US. By pass all the blocks with: http://www.mipnow.com

  • MEGA-Tampon

    Comcast will pass the legal costs down to the customers as a service charge.

    • Anonymous

      Of course they do. And when they hand over the money, The MPAA/RIAA start planing on how to get even more money from them.

      That circle only stops when someone hardlines the MPAA/RIAA and says “Not a chance in hell”.

  • Splatt2001

    Is it me, or does this seem like PR grandstanding before they eventually just hand over everything the RIAA and MPAA wants anyway.

    I don’t have Comcast in my area. But I’ve never heard anything good about them.

    And am I only one shocked by the porn thing? I didn’t realize they were going after consumers. I have over 3TB of porn  that I didn’t pay for. I will never pay for porn. If I can’t get it for free I don’t need it. I havent heard a peep from the industry. Of course, I don’t download the stuff from major sites like Vivid and Playboy. 

    A while ago there used to be three pass request boards I used. If you were polite and made a request in the proper format someone would usually hack the site and send you a password. And since it was only sent to you, it usually lasted for a few weeks and sometimes months.

    Then one day a couple of years ago these sites just shut down. I never put two and two together. I mean, it crossed my mind. I just didn’t think the porn industry would go after them. Still miss the sites. Managed to crack a  smaller site with really weak security once, but I’m no hacker. I keep meaning to learn. But it seems a little overwhelming to me.  The whole wordlist thing.

    • Anon1

      Damn…I thought my 200GB collection was impressive! 3TB? Really?

      • CG

        Eh, I have 1TB with well over 20,000 pictures and the rest videos that’s compressed and backed up to a separate 1TB drive. Hell I have to have programs to even sort through it lol, couldn’t imagine 3TB… 

        Btw, if anyone stuck around to read this topic then they probably have porn… so if you’re looking for a way to hide/encrypt it then check out Truecrypt.

      • Splatt2001

        I’m sure 200GB would be enough for most people. But I have an issue. I collect everything - TV shows, video games,  scanned comics (haen’t read a omic in 10 years) , music and movies. I have tons of all of it. I have at least 10TB of TV shows. And most of them are small size DVD rips. I’ll never watch 90% of it. Hell, sometime I DL a show I have no interest in watching. I know, it’s sick. It’s some sort of weird addiction.

        So between the adult torrent sites, having years of free access to any site I wanted and a collecting addiction I just ended up downloading way too much porn. I don’t know what I’m going to do when I run out of space on the 4TB. 

        My girlfriend would probably freak if she found out I had 3TB of porn. The weird thing is, she’s probably hotter than most of these chicks in the the movies. Well, minus the DDD cups of course. My GF is supremely self confident. Boderline arrogant. And I’m still willing to bet she would feel threatened by this. I will never get that about women. It’s not a competition. Porn and actual women are two completely different things. Whatever.

        I’m just trying to digest the fact that porn companies are suing people. Lawyers and porn moguls. Two of the sleaziest things on the planet working side by side. I’m sure there’s a joke in there somewhere. But Im too tired for that shit right now

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Mcintier/1146574107 Sean Mcintier

           Fuck, I have maybe 600MB of porn, and it’s just softcore JPEGs at that.

        • Decimus

          These idiots that own the copyrights are all the same, whether they’re into music, movies, or porn.  They just want to make as much as they can by any means necessary.  It shouldn’t be that surprising, but it’s still disappointing to see.

        • Metulhed

          Splatt2001 wrote: I’m just trying to digest the fact that porn companies are suing people.
          Lawyers and porn moguls. Two of the sleaziest things on the planet
          working side by side. I’m sure there’s a joke in there somewhere.

          Funny thing is how close the ties are between the sex industry and
          organized crime. For Comcast to characterize this as a “shakedown” is
          much truer than they realize.

      • Anonymous

        200GB and you think that is impressive?  I have over 10TB of hard drives full of stuff.  I slowed down when hard drive prices skyrocketed.

        • Anon1

          Well shit, I just started my collection from scratch barely a week ago, gimme a break :) And I’m only dedicating a small 500GB drive to my collection, once I run out of space, tough shit. No way in hell am I buying more hard drives JUST for porn.

  • Guest

    Comcast ain’t fighting for it’s customers, well, sorta they are, but for the the money.

    What happens if comcast abide, and allowed the court-ordered subpoenas?

    They lose their customers, huge lawsuit take a dip out of you wallet, you cannot any longer make you ISP monthly payments, comcast loses.

    They are only protecting their interest.

    • Eric Toh

      Doesn’t matter. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

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  • Anon

    Hahaha, okay so this is what I took from this article:

    Comcast:  These guys are in the wrong.  Here are 3 very legitimate reasons as to why this case should be thrown out, and multiple recent examples of how these reasons have been practiced.

    Porn lawyer:  No!  You’re wrong!  This is obviously a conspiracy!  Comcast has been denying our requests (however legitimate) and that means that it’s just a conspiracy and they’re out to get us!

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  • Tdot

    Just a heads up for my fellow Canadians.

    “Friday, Canadian gov is going to bring forward C-11 (copyright bill) for last hours of debate. It will be voted on Monday.”

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  • Anonymous

    “The case is now in the hands of Judge Gary Feinerman”

    Let’s see if he’s in the industry’s pocket or not.

    • Anonymous

      All that is happening here is that these speculative invoicing schemes have already been failing in the United States so the ISP are now moving in aiming for the final kill.

      • The Truth

        ISPs are moving because they are not getting paid, ah hem…I mean compensated by the trolls.

    • Splatt2001

      Just because he rules in favor of the industry doesn’t mean he’s in their pocket.
      There are some bat shit crazy judges They routinely let child molesters, rapists and murders go completely unpunished or serve ridiculously short sentences.

      The judicial sytem is one of the most fucked up things in the history of mankind

  • http://trucklicense.net/get-cdl Freedom Jackson

    What if you could buy an internet connection and only pay once then have that connection forever.  Rent it sell it what ever.  Just like a car.

    • Anonymous

      That is not at all “just like a car”.  What you are actually asking for is to buy a “car” and then have all the free gas and maintenance for life.

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  • N.

    Comcast, welcome aboard the freedom ship to reasonably priced content,
    Fuck you MAFIAA you are obsolete.

  • N.

    Hey, American assholes.
    Our freedom of speech doesn’t mean your freedom to snoop!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Mcintier/1146574107 Sean Mcintier

       What?

  • mardish

    Has everybody forgotten? http://torrentfreak.com/isps-to-begin-punishing-bittorrent-pirates-this-summer-120315/ Verizon and Comcast aren’t protecting you, they’re preparing everyone for the “solution” that’s about to roll out next month.

  • ofProto

    I guess Comcast isn’t as spineless as I once thought.

  • Jimmy Dean

    It is really upsetting that I have to respect Comcast now.

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  • foff

    Comcast is not your buddy.  They are doing this because they are sick of the time and expense these subpoenas are costing them.  It is about fucking time they tell these parasites to go fuck themselves.  The courts ought to let the isp’s charge a $100 a pop for the information and then let’s see how willing these scum are to ask for it.

    • Eric Toh

      Dude, it doesn’t matter if they are our buddy or not. As long as they are on our side, even if it’s only for their own convenience – all good. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

      • noko

        I think he was referring to the copyrightfags.

        • Anonymous

          And how are you acopyrighfag when you produce a copyright protected work then have others just copy it and supply it, for free, to the masses?
          It is obvious you have never created anything.

        • Anonymous

           @UnNews:disqus That’s a tired, and broken, argument. It’s obvious you don’t know what you’re talking about.

    • Guest

      From what I’ve read, Comcast actually set up a division to handle all these subpoena requests and was charging $45 a pop to look up the info for each subscriber. That still led to profits for the scum, not to mention Comcast.

    • Freedom of Information

      They do charge, but trolls do not want to pay…this is old, but it most likely more than $150 per subscriber PII:

      http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/02/how-internet-providers-look-up-an-ip-address/

      Go educate yourself here: http://cryptome.org/isp-spy/comcast-spy.pdf

      Comcrap deserves no respect and should be boycotted at all costs. They are not handing information over simply because they are not getting compensated. Trolls are reluctant to hand over a cut of their profits, no matter how small. Those who have had their information handed over to trolls but never dropped Comcast deserve to be trolled. The American people and the rest of the world need to wake up.

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  • Guest

    Finally Comcast does something right.

  • Anonymous

    wait a minute….did Comcast just defend bittorrenters? (sort of)

    somewhere in the world someone successfully divided by zero.

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  • http://twitter.com/BlakeLuis1 BlakeLuis

    what April implied I cant believe that a mother can profit $9490 in 1 month on the internet. did you look at this web link  (Click on menu Home more information)   http://goo.gl/uHDQw  

  • Anonymous

    Ah HA! As I have written to Comcast and made a *point* of saying..

    If Comcast wants to see the end of me as a subscriber, they can by all means. It IS their business prerogative after all. I am MORE than certain the MPAA or the RIAA will *gladly* compensate them for the loss of my business. No?

    This IS the reality and any and everyone who gets a ‘shakedown’ letter should remind their ISP of this.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EU3FP6ALBOYVUDR6Z7GUQYGY2Q Mike N

    June 13 2012 today i am proud to call my comcast as my isp provider. Hopefully they’ll drop out of the six strike policy! 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000737747953 Slavik Lungu

    So to wrap this all up, Comcast is pretty much trying to stop the lawsuits against the torrenters? Helping the pirates?

  • guest

    I think its high time that the creators of IP understand if you funnel us crap were not paying for it. It truly is that simple. I have the right to choose to pay for it if i want and that choice comes with trial. If the IP is worth it I pay for it but im not about to pay some ass hole whether it be porn a crappy movie or a horrible game, any money when its perfectly obvious that what I am getting is a steaming pile of shit. 

  • rdc_2_sea

    Here is a simple fix. There is a software program out there that blocks any copywrited material from being downloaded, copied, printed, etc. The courts should make comcast buy and install that program and also stop the witch hunt on the consumer of the isp who may or may not know that they are breaking the law. Since comcast is supposed to monitor their net service, the burden is on them, not the customers. You always go after the head, not the tail. For indeed, this is a shake down for more money (greed in play here) and the invasion of privacy. Comcast needs to come into compliance with FCC laws, period. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/nullpat Patryk Patkowski

      Do you understand how the internet or programming works? Explain to a software engineer how to write the software code that can differentiate between original and fair use works and copyrighted materials and then block the copyrighted materials. You would be the first to accomplish this massive feat. What you are saying is a simple fix that already exists, is an extremely complex task, that obviously does not exist and will not exist in the near future. Please post your comments as comments and not as facts, when the subject matter pertains to a field you are no experience in whatsoever. Good day.

    • Anonymous


      Here is a simple fix. There is a software program out there that blocks any copywrited material from being downloaded, copied, printed, etc.”

      Fail, fail and fail again. No such program exists and if it did it would have to be installed on the end-user computers. Which in turn means you’d have to abolish the concept of anyone “owning” a computer at all.

      Indeed, the only corporation I know of which utilizes such a set of rules would be youtube – and Google can apply this only because they themselves have nigh-unlimited processing power on hand, the sharpest brains in the industry, and most importantly, because for all intents and purposes, Youtube IS the “end-user” over which they have full control. That said even Youtube can’t keep copyrighted content away.

      Comcast isn’t supposed to monitor their net service at all. This too is a very erronous assumption. Just as the postal office isn’t supposed to investigate the contents of the packages they deliver. If said burden is placed on a conveyor of communication, said conveyor goes out of business. It’s that simple.

      Altogether your “simple fix” means we will have to invent magic and that we abolish free communication altogether as an unavoidable result, saddling mere conduits with supervisory oversight which can not be accomplished without boosting the overhead costs by several orders of magnitude.

      Your post was written either in order to troll or out of staggering ignorance of how things work.

    • BJonesTF

      Few problems
      1) There is no such software
      2) even if it was, it couldn’t actually tell what was under copyright and what wasn’t
      3) it also couldn’t tell who the copyright belongs to and so
      4) can’t tell if the person distributing it has the rights to do so.
      5) Often big rights holder groups will make claims of ownership that are just plain false (we’ve covered a LOT of those stories)

      There is no way a piece of software knows the status of civil contracts between everyone in the world. And that’s why Comcast hasn’t bought a piece of software that might (wrongly) claim to know this.

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  • Anonymous

    honestly though this is like suing (or criminally charging) Ford because their car was used in a bank robbery …..they offer a service that is all….asking them to spend man hours (money and time) with no sort of reimbursement is ignorant

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  • http://www.facebook.com/ken.bingham Ken Bingham

    The solution is for ISPs and service providers to start charging the copyright holders for processing take-down requests. If they want their stuff taken down they should pay for it. This would cut down on frivolous and bogus take-down requests.

  • skorn

    Yeah comcast! Maybe I’ll stop getting DMCA notices

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  • Anonymous

    As someone who worked for Comcast on the IT/HSI side of things for a number of years I can say that this article totally blew my face off. This is not the Comcast I am accustomed to and while I’m happy to see them take this stance I still remain cautious.

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  • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/ SJD

    Whatever the outcome, Comcast’s protest is part of a growing trend in which Internet providers object to handing over subscriber data in mass-BitTorrent cases. Previously, Verizon did the same, successfully arguing that it has an obligation to protect the privacy of its customers.
    The outcome is good.

    http://paidcontent.org/2012/06/20/comcast-crushes-porn-owners-shakedown-of-subscribers/ 

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  • http://linkedin.com/in/bobjacobson Bob Jacobson

    A. I take exception to the title of this article, ”
    Comcast Protests “Shake Down” of Alleged BitTorrent Pirates

    First, shake down should not be in quotes.  It is a shake down.  The courts have agreed with that characterization.  There’s no need for quotes.

    Second, Comcast didn’t protest the shake down, although it used that as an argument.  It filed a motion to quash a request for subpoenas based on IP numbers.  The motion in this case (and most cases) was granted.  We don’t know where Comcast actually stands in the matter.

    Third, not all the parties receiving subpoenas in this case were “BitTorrent” pirates.  Some were cited for simply cracking passwords and copying content.  Even in the case of those who were allegedly file-sharing, calling them pirates is a bit much.  It’s MPAA talk.  Your editors should exercise greater discretion since the definition of file-sharing regularly fluctuates between libertarian heroism and pure thievery.  It seems to be morphi back into the heroic mold.

    B. The reason password-sharing sites are declining is not because of porn producers getting technically savvy, but because (1) a lot of porn vendors realize that paywalls don’t work, whereas live cams, VOD, and selling T-shirts, with free porn as the bait, make more money than content ever did; and (2) anti-theft software has gotten very good.  Most works by detecting abnormal use of a password (e.g., rapid-fire successive uses, more than the typical load, or discovering too many hits from the same DNS (the password board’s ID). 

    Ironic, isn’t it, that this strongest method of protecting porn and other websites from unauthorized downloading of content works almost exactly the same as the copyright-troll lawyers’ M.O., only in reverse.  If I was a porn operator, I’d install Strongbox or Pennywize for $150 or $200 and tell the modern-day ambulance chasers, if they solicited me to become one of their clients, to go to hell.  Especially since nowadays, as one of their clients _I_ could become the victim of a countersuit, even a class-action countersuit — and be brought to my knees by angry Does.  Who needs it?

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  • Euroextc

    I work for Comcast.And I am so fucking proud to say that it’s so cool when the ISP is on the 99% side.love u for that Comcast.

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