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Copyright Monopoly Trends And Predictions For 2013

2012 was, without a doubt, the most intense year to date in the fight for civil liberties and against the copyright monopoly. While much work remains to be done, we can see a light at the end of the tunnel.

While there have been nice flares of light in the past – every success of a Pirate Party comes to mind, where all other politicians suddenly compete in who’s the better critic of the copyright monopoly – those flares of 2009 and 2011 have still been flares of light, and not game-changing events. Not yet.

But 2012 saw two major such events, in addition to many minor ones. There was the SOPA defeat on January 18, and there was the ACTA defeat on July 4. These were slightly different in nature.

The SOPA defeat in the USA was caused by a purely grassroots effort to put pressure on the US Congress from the outside. The ACTA defeat in Europe, meanwhile, could not have succeeded without two-pronged pressure: where the SOPA battle mainly played out online and in phone calls in one-directional pressure against Congress, the ACTA battle was fought in the streets, with huge coordinated protests in 200-plus European cities.

Still, that would not have been enough if there hadn’t been people on the inside of the European Parliament to explain to other Members of Parliament why European people were protesting – so the Pirate Party presence in the European Parliament was pivotal, being one of many ingredients not sufficient on their own, but absolutely necessary for the whole of the ultimate success in defeating ACTA.

Regardless, these events were game-changers in that politicians have learned that when the internet raises its voice and tells them in no uncertain terms to STFU & STFD, their knees tremble. They do not understand yet what it is they do not understand. They do not understand the fundamentally bad assumptions about the copyright monopoly that still shape policy (faulty assumptions like the monopoly being incentivizing creativity, or worse, being related to property rights and a component of free trade).

For as we recall, both SOPA and ACTA were practically done deals. They were seen as completely uncontroversial by the politicians and were mere formalities, until the internet spoke up.

The next step, of course, would be to learn that it isn’t “the Internet” speaking up, but a whole generation of citizens – voters – that demand something as basic as their civil liberties to apply just as much online as they do offline.

For who was it that wanted ACTA and SOPA so badly? It was the copyright industry, in their long-running quest to have their business interests take legal precedence over fundamental civil liberties.

The copyright industry has long been a proponent for increased surveillance, particularly of the warrantless kind, as privacy and freedom of speech is fundamentally incompatible with enforcement of the copyright monopoly.

At the same time, the administrations around the world are cherishing the liberating aspects of the net with one voice – but only when it happens to other countries. In their own country, it is a threat to the status quo – meaning, to themselves.

In Sweden, for example, the administration is wasting no time in applauding the importance of the net in freeing dictatorships from oppression, all while the Swedish so-called FRA law has changed the rules of privacy from being a fundamental right to the axiom “you are always wiretapped”, effectively negating any whistleblower protections and other freedoms of the press.

Other countries see similar patterns.

Overall, net liberty seems to consistently be near the top of the foreign policy agenda for every country, but never anywhere on the domestic policy agenda. This exact relation needs to reverse.

So what would be things to look out for in 2013?

Things should be quietening down somewhat in the European bureaucracy, as the election cycle comes to a close. Still, there are many bilateral so-called “free trade” agreements that try to lock in monopolies at the cost of civil liberties, and these happen in just as much secrecy as ACTA did.

Speaking of monopoly agreements, the TPP – Trans-Pacific Partnership – should be a major cause for concern.

But if all of these are causes for concern – and they are, as laws are still being made the wrong way – I’m still very optimistic.

While the laws being made on net liberty and monopolies are still bad – we have not managed as activists to cause any good things to happen, merely managed to prevent some bad things from happening – understanding of net liberty principles are rapidly increasing, and may be hitting a tipping point.

More and more people realize, against the tenacious deceptive talking points of the copyright industry, that the copyright monopoly is not related to property rights at all but is a governmentally-sanctioned private monopoly that limits property rights and free trade.

So what do I predict for 2013?

I predict that more politicians will realize the shameless abyss of lies coming from the copyright industry, and that civil liberties should be as readily defended online as offline – that there should be no legal or practical difference in civil liberties whether you communicate with an analog letter or a digital one.

I predict that there will be at least one game-changing event which could not have been predicted beforehand, which shifts the playing field heavily against the copyright industry and in favor of civil liberties.

I predict that the laws being made will continue to be bad, and that surveillance will continue to increase, but that more people will start to question that – perhaps approaching, but not yet arriving at a tipping point where good policy starts being made instead.

Above all, I predict that we have much hard work still ahead of us, but that it will all be worth our while in the end.

So for 2013, remember two soundbites on making good policy:

Sharing is caring, and prosperity begins at a hundred megabit.

Happy new year!

About The Author

Rick Falkvinge is a regular columnist on TorrentFreak, sharing his thoughts every other week. He is the founder of the Swedish and first Pirate Party, a whisky aficionado, and a low-altitude motorcycle pilot. His blog at falkvinge.net focuses on information policy.

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  • OneEyedWillie

    Preach it my brother!

    • RSVP

      “The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.”

      Alex Carey – Taking the Risk out of Democracy

    • bobmail

      Rick certainly knows how to suck you kids in!

      Rick, seriously, as soon as you say “copyright monopoly” you are pretty much failing. There is no “copyright monopoly” anymore than there is a “breathing monopoly”. Anyone can create new music, new movies, new books, new… whatever you like. There is no monopoly on making new works.

      At best, there is a narrow (and limited time) control over a creation granted to an artist. It’s not a monopoly, anyone else can create a new work without permission (but they cannot duplicate… ). There is no monopoly.

      My 2013 prediction is more BS like this from the likes of you, and more and more court judgements against piracy. People support piracy until you tell them that without copyright, it’s unlikely that most of the entertainment that they enjoy (including the stuff they pirate) would even exist. Certainly nobody would be lining up to make huge investments in creating blockbuster movies without some hope of a return.

      Piracy doesn’t match up to the reality that people want in the long run. Short term, yes, because it’s an all you can eat buffet and someone else is paying. But when everyone else stops paying and the food is all spoiled, they will want what they had before.

      You are very weak at explaining how people will end up with what it is that the vast majority want and consume already.

      • xpmule

        Bobmail, seriously, as soon as you say “you kids”..you have failed !
        And monopoly ? go read a dictionary . and if your gonna make comparison then the 2 things need to be reasonably comparable otherwise your just being foolish. your analogy is a fail !

        And “at best” your OPINION is warped by your corrupt views supporting corporate terrorism.. by the way you need ANOTHER lesson on what the difference between a copy is and an original work and what is a duplicate and who says that people can’t control their works ? People can do what ever they want..

        Predictions ?
        More BS from people like you who line their pockets with money from victimizing peoples rights.

        Your reality matches up nicely with stealing money and harassing and extorting cash from people.. and what reality the one where blockbuster video is closing doors everywhere ? And people like me just can’t be bothered even downloading gay movies for free or otherwise ?
        It will be another year of a bad industry business model trying to force money out of people whether they have a product that people want or not.
        And people need to eat but do NOT need to watch bad movies at bad prices with bad services or methods while supporting copyright terrorism in the process.

        You are weak at explaining how your in touch with reality and greedy evil corporate shill cashing in the exploitation of file sharers for profit. and no that is not what the vast majority wants lol

        Bottom line is you need a reality check !
        Your living in a fantasy world.
        And i can count on enough people seeing what is that i don’t have to be overly concerned about delusional lunatics that lost touch with reality long ago.
        But when you try sticking your hand in my pocket,
        I will cut that fucker off and eat in front of you with a grin :)

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/V6MAVVVBC23RLJZLHBV3YA3ABY Rutherford

          xpmule, seriously. As soon as you say ‘failed’ you’ve failed.

      • Guest

        The vast majority, as you put it it, are not/have never been informed of how restrictive copyright regulations are, or how businesses, especially the music business, hoodwink creative people into parting with their works for next to nothing.

        This is no longer simply a battle about how copyright restricts rights, but a battle to show how corporations are gaining more power than the people, are lying to both the people and their governments, are bribing, coercing and manipulating the leaders and law enforcement bureaus to their own ends and ultimately, dictating even freedom of information.

        When a corporation (crying over the CLAIMED LOSSES, which by the way they cannot prove and have NEVER been asked to in a court) can instigate the raiding of a private home, by foreign powers, on foreign soil; can insist on using ARMED anti-terror units against an private establishment whose owner, it had already been established, would cooperate if he had simply been approached by a police officer on a pedal bike…when you factor all these things together one realises that something is askew in our capitalist utopia.

        That was a VERY GOOD ATTEMPT AT DISTRACTION – you must be very high up the corporate whizz-way to argue a quote from such an insightful person as Alex Carey. Or else you are a complete ignoramus. The fact that you used Rick Falkvinge as a foil, however, shows you are not a complete sockpuppet.

        THIS IS THE BATTLE 2013: To free ALL information, to learn who should be held accountable, to release information to the world and educate the peoples FOR FREE, to not be under the yoke, not of oppressive governments, but of vicious, despicable and manipulative corporate entities.

        Happy New Year, ‘bob’.

        • Maybe

          I was wondering why he come out with such a verbose reply to an empty entry.
          I think you nailed it.
          The corporations want to re-educate us majority before the majority can get themselves educated! Lol.

        • Anonymous

          2 little words that mean so much. they prevent so much getting to the people and allow corporations to take so much from the people. the words?

          CAPITALIST UTOPIA.

          big business and certain governments, the UK tories for one, are fighting tooth and nail to protect this. everything that can be taken from the workers, things that people fought and died for, is being taken. any and all methods that are not already in place are being put into place to protect the rich and ensure that they not only retain what they have but can increase it by taking from the poor and the more deserving. but when shit eventually hits fan, as it will, just as sure as the Sun will rise, they will be the first to cry ‘wolf’ when they are being stripped of their ill-gotten gains! and a bloody good job too!!

          oh, and a Happy New Year to everyone! may we be successful in our fight for freedom, for that is what we are actually fighting for, AGAIN!!!

      • Emcee

        In your worldview, the “buffet” is only stocked by a very small group of people, and will be out of food once theyve been bled dry.

        Yes, thats the point. The buffet will be replaced by an endless food market (to continue your retarded analogy), full of independent produce from millions of people, and they can all have their own stall without worrying about buying a place on the old buffet table, thanks to the power of the internet.

      • Asashii

        nice one brother!!!!

        • Bobmail_and_asashiis_mom

          Could you and your brother bring your dirty underwear up from the basement for me please? It’s washing day. Thanks, honey.

      • Tactical Nuclear Penguin

        At worst, there is an attempt to have copyright control last forever minus one day. Presently the narrow and limited time is 70 years after the author’s death. It used to be much narrower, less than 30 years from the creation of the work with the right to renew for the same time again. No doubt it will ‘narrow’ even more if the MAFFIA get their way to 100 years after death, then 200, 300, 400, then 1000 years after death. And any unpublished works could stay in copyright in perpetuity until published, then apply the copyright control for the appropriate time. Then there is the cases of works after being in the public domain being brought back under copyright control again.
        So there is a copyright monopoly on the works when it lasts almost forever, which is not what copyright was created for in the first place. It was created so that the creator of the work could capitalise on the work for a very limited time, after which it was placed into the public domain for others to either improve upon, capitilise on, or to ignore and consign to the dustbin of history.
        The companies that make up the Hollywood cartel supported piracy back in the day when it was in their interests to do so, so what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

      • Wallace

        “My 2013 prediction is … more and more court judgements against piracy.”

        You mean on cases like this one?

        http://www.mcgarrsolicitors.ie/2012/12/30/2012-the-year-irish-newspapers-tried-to-destroy-the-web/

        If so, you may be right, but …

        “People support piracy until you tell them that without copyright, it’s unlikely that most of the entertainment that they enjoy (including the stuff they pirate) would even exist.”

        … obviously, um no. The Irish newspapers are arguing this very thing. And no, people are not persuaded. This discussion has never been about “supporting piracy.” This is about certain rightsholders demanding new rights by claiming previously lawful or legally undefined things are “piracy.”

        Over and over, we hear that without giving up yet another communications ability “most of the entertainment” etc. etc. “would not exist. ” I’ll take my freedom and my chances, thanks. As will the rest of the world. As we have always done.

        And you have no idea what the vast majority want and consume, do you, Mr. Jones.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1526712397 Brian King

          Sorry, Wallace but you are wrong. JS Bach would not have created the Brandenburg Concertos if it weren’t for copyright. It’s a fact (I know because I made it up).

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        “Rick certainly knows how to suck you kids in!”

        “We kids” have been around since the 1950′s when we heard your spiel about how home taping was going to kill music. We were around before that when Radio was going to kill music. And we were around when in 1906 your spiritual predecessors were trying to claim that the self-playing piano was going to kill music.

        Falkvinge is just saying what every last one of us “kids” have been saying for almost a century.

        And I’d have to point out, in conclusion, that our view won every time.

        “People support piracy until you tell them that without copyright, it’s unlikely that most of the entertainment that they enjoy (including the stuff they pirate) would even exist.”

        You mean the way Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, and the rest of the 99% we call “culture” today does not, according to you, exist?

        Honestly, when even Rebecca Black can successfully sell a song she gave away for free, you’d think, empirical data in hand, you would have learned not to try to peddle that tired old lie. It’s been disproven once too many times. What next? You want a dime for you to show us the egress, Mr. Barnum?

        “You are very weak at explaining how people will end up with what it is that the vast majority want and consume already.”

        Actually he’s explained that a few dozen times over. unlike you, however, he has some facts and empirical data to point at.

        What actually frightens you is that you, representing the middleman, might end up the same way the coach drivers and the blacksmiths did, come the automobile and the industrial revolution. I have no sympathy.

  • VPN

    “we can see a light at the end of the tunnel”

    VPNs!

    • Anyone

      those are of course always an option, but they shouldn’t be needed in a free society

      • VPN

        Privacy is part of a free society. So is “cold calling”.
        I want the freedom to solicit potential clients.
        I want the freedom to block solicitations.

        • OneEyedWillie

          Then I want the freedom to go and kill the telemarketer cold calling me then!

        • cgimusic

          @OneEyedWillie That takes away their freedom to live. There are plenty of technical solutions to cold calling now and I predict that it will soon be completely eradicated.

      • bobmail

        “those are of course always an option, but they shouldn’t be needed in a free society”

        Cash registers and mall security shouldn’t be part of a free society either. You should be allowed to take whatever you want, what is will all this money stuff?

        • xpmule

          no lectures from people actively involved in a campaign to take away peoples basic rights please..

          i think your confusing free stuff with free society..
          not surprising considering your warped and twisted views on violating peoples rights regarding file sharing.

        • Icec0ld

          Yeah, lets hear about the good of a society from someone who places no value on the privacy of society.

        • Wallace

          Now privacy equals theft?

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        The VPN is the online equivalent of closing the door when you are on the toilet or in the bedroom. Even if nothing shady is going on, it’s a basic tenet of common privacy.

        As such the use of a VPN should always be encouraged, especially in a free society.

    • highboi

      why should i pay for privacy? it should be granted as a natural human right

      • VPN

        You don’t need to pay for Internet privacy. You do NEED to use your brain. Humans are social creatures. Humans gossip. Governments spy. This is a reality as old as recorded history.

        I use FREE VPN from VPNReactor then tunnel to FREE VPN from VPNBook. I use a simple BAT command that reconnects every 30 minutes. Double tunnel for FREE. Fully automated. Why? Because I like my privacy and I have a brain that understands the tool (my computer) that I am using.

        No one will grant you an education. This is something you must seek out. There are plenty of good people that will help you.

        Ask and Ye shall Receive.

        • Anon1

          Care to share the BAT command? After all, sharing is caring :)

        • IHaveNoBalls

          What sort of speeds do you get with that free VPN?

        • VPN

          I have a a 50/8 Mbps US cable service.
          Speeds with FREE US VPNReactor about 20 Mbps.
          Speeds with FREE (24-hr) CactusVPN about 25 Mbps.
          VPNBook (Romania) about 10 Mbps.

          BAT file is just a text file that ends with .bat extension (a DOS batch file).

          Example …
          cd/
          rasdial VPNBook /disconnect
          rasdial VPNReactor /disconnect
          rasdial VPNReactor username password
          rasdial VPNBook username password
          ipconfig /flushdns (not needed, added for fun)

          These are simple pptp VPN connections (works for L2TP as well).
          Just create these Network Connections in Win.x.
          BAT files are just old-skool DOS that have been around (30-years!).

          FREE VPN is usually only pptp. VPNBook has FREE OpenVPN too.
          CactusVPN has FREE (24-hr) test accounts for ALL protocols.

          Then I use a simple FREE scheduler (System Scheduler 4.17).
          VPNReactor allows a FREE reconnect every 30-minutes.
          Just schedule the BAT file to run every 30 minutes.

          (BTW … FREE is good. But buy VPNReactor if you want.)
          Buy CactusVPN and/or BolehVPN too. Set up VPN cascades!

          VPNReactor states that their FREE (pptp) VPN goes on for 30-minutes then goes off for 30-minutes. If you re-connect BEFORE 30-minutes then it reconnects immediately. Also create many FREE accounts and ‘rotate’ these FREE accounts using multiple BAT files (launched by the automated scheduler app).

          Some say this is EVIL. Some say HACKERS should not share.
          I like all these companies. I trust NONE OF THEM!
          That’s why I multi-hop. It’s the future of VPNs.

        • Paranoia

          “Care to share the BAT command?”

          Being he cares a lot about privacy,
          he probably wants to keep that information private.

        • Paranoia

          Oh, well, too late for me, the cache betrayed me.

        • ScrewEwe2

          Helping each other is a much better use of our online time than insulting each other, like some on this thread engage in for no apparent reasons.

          example:

          IHaveNoBalls 2 hours ago in reply to KDC_is_a_Troll

          “”If you ask for reasons there are plenty for many things, who are you to know why people do or do not do anything?”

          Nice words, that really needs to be said more often this forum – for these people who come up with one reason for something happening.”

          KDC_is_a_Troll 1 hour ago in reply to IHaveNoBalls

          “Things don’t just happen because of a single reason,you simple minded idiot.”

          One guy gives a compliment and the other guy flips him the bird for his efforts.

          Nice couple of informative posts VPN.

          Cheers

          .

        • Andrew Lee

          “Some say this is EVIL. Some say HACKERS should not share. ”
          lol Those people are misinformed because that is not hacking.

          @Paranoia
          There is nothing to keep private about what he said.. It’s a simple tweak for convenience.

          What pisses me off is people should not be forced to use a VPN for privacy. But that’s what you get these days when everyone is determined to snoop on everyone.
          Torrenting without a VPN is like boarding a flight with a 3.5 oz bottle of soda. They’re gonna fuck with you whether you like it or not.
          I rather make out with a wood chipper than have a 600 pound water buffalo molest me for just wanting a fucking drink.

        • QuadSlacker

          Brilliant metaphor there, I am so stealing that.

        • Is A VPN Dialer Just As Good?

          I have searched for a way to create a BATCH file in order to reconnect a vpn after it disconnects but its a no go, trying to find anything about that on the internet is not easy. That is why I think this will come in handy a pptp dialer for any vpn on windows, enjoy. http://windowsvpn.info/vpn-show.php?e_id=19

        • VPN

          @’Andrew Lee’, Spot on “It’s a simple tweak for convenience.”
          Absolutely correct. I only say ‘hack’ because it (the scheduler app) circumvents VPNReactor’s 30-minute limit policy. I like VPNReactor and I do exploit them. My bad.

          @’Is A VPN Dialer Just As Good?’ Detecting a VPN connection failure is tough. Using a multihop, I have found that ALL connectivity shuts down (on VPN fail) until the next 30-minute cycle restarts the multihop. I appreciate your inquiry. Should be easy to solve someday soon. But GOSH, I do love the quest!

          BTW … “VPN LifeGuard” works, but causes a HARD torrent client shutdown that ‘freaks out’ the torrent client (which requires a recovery – repair).

          These are GREAT QUESTIONS. Technology is fun. FREE is fun.

          .

        • xpmule

          how do you know the VPN was not setup bu the RIAA or MPAA and is kicking back laughing and collecting data for mass law suits at some point ?

          The FBI’s standard procedure in an almost any piracy related case is pretty much done like that.. going back the last decade i can’t count how many news stories have been posted about FBI operations that spanned years in cooperation with whom ever.. including any and all server operators because almost all are spineless cowards and will sell your ass out when threatened.

          you use your brain.. just because you made it to the parking lot with stolen goods does not mean you got away with anything.. that surveillance camera may show you on the 5 o clock news and minutes later as your led away in cuffs.. short the 30$ from your untouchable “simulated rights” VPN service.

        • xpmule

          if your gonna advertise using VPN services then you should not pretend there is no risks involved.

          The illusion your exempt from file sharing issues by paying money is exactly that.. an illusion.

        • Torrent VPN BAT Script On TPB

          Well it seems I have come across a BAT file fore vpn’s on piratebay, but the BAT file is only for torrent clients.
          magnet:?xt=urn:btih:729111d6dadb5ba7de0c2d76ada26a69a60d1988&dn=VpnCheck.bat&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.publicbt.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.istole.it%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.ccc.de%3A80

    • xpmule

      May be working for now but we all know THEY will go after everyone and everything ..eventually.
      And i have laid out many examples how this can be done and as far as i am aware i have never gotten one reply saying i was wrong..

      Don’t hide + live in a false sense of security.
      Police + Method of sharing = victims
      saying x, y or z method is untouchable is as foolish and ignorant as THEM

      and not only that your hiding when you should face the enemy.
      and you should not have to pay money to simulate your basic rights.

      how is it not obvious that a court order to comply with the FBI and a swat team at the VPN server’s doors won’t mean it’s an FBI controlled operation from that point ?
      You guys think some VPN operator is gonna be a hero and get into a shootout with the cops and say you’ll never take me alive cop’s i fight for that guy that paid me 20$ on paypal so he can hide while file sharing..
      LOL hell no !
      He’s gonna hand you over quicker than you can say VPN !

      • VPN

        @’xpmule’
        You are missing the point of the multi-vendor VPN multi-hop (cascade).

        Let’s assume that VPNBook is a Honeypot. When you connect directly to them then they know your real IP and they can log your activities. But if you connect to another VPN FIRST, then connect to VPNBook, they only ‘see’ the first VPN IP (not your real IP).

        Also, the FIRST VPN only sees encrypted traffic (double tunnel). Of course there is an added bandwidth ‘overhead’ of about 5-10% per encryption layer, but it’s worth it.

        This is not hard to understand so please stop with the FUD. It’s quite annoying.

        .

        • xpmule

          FUD ? Really ?
          Was I that hard to understand ?
          You think i support “those guys” ?

          The only people i am concerned for here is my fellow file sharers..
          “They” go after any and all methods of file sharing and i think your under some illusion that your method is technically infallible. which we know not much is on the net.

          Accuse me of spreading FUD then explain to me how i am wrong.
          Did you read what i said ?

        • VPN

          Yes I read what you said. A bunch of CRAP that is not supported by any evidence or logical argument. Feel free to explain how you (or the MAFIAA) would “crack” a multihop VPN cascade between independent non-collaborative VPN business vendors. Explain how to break this encapsulated privacy!

          Is spouting your ill-conceived opion all you have to offer?
          I offer facts to the argument. You offer nothing.

        • xpmule

          buddy drop the fucking attitude i’m trying to help people and your attacking me like a fucking maniac that lost it (reality)
          I didn’t make up anything I’ve been doing this shit for years son and the leader of one of there many groups i was involved was nailed by the FBI ..in that group i was a PC game cracker that i bet half the people here have downloaded my stuff from ..so never mind the stories i said that have been posted online for a decade i have witnessed my friends go to jail by FBI anti piracy operations !
          And by the way your response to me that you daisy chain VPN’s when i say VPN’s are not bullet proof is dumb !
          I never said anything about that and your basiclly avoiding every single word i said and changing the subject.. how many people do that anyway ?
          I’m not even gonna try and get into whether that is secure or not. I bet you would simply attack me and ignore what i said anyway so whats the point.

          Your the kind of smug ass i will look forward to saying “I told you so” too !
          Just fucking wait and i will drive that pissy and defensive attitude back in your face.
          This is why we all can’t work together to fight a common enemy.. I can’t get behind ignorant morons.

          You just keep hiding in your layers of VPN networking until they are compromised or pressured to shut down lol

          Some of you here are way to cocky and smug lol
          And you make me hope you get arrested simply out of spite for having cocky assholes run their mouth about all the stupid people that DO NOT use VPN’s ..i have seen that in a ton of stories this past year.. you VPN users are probably the worst file sharers of them all and if you guys wanna be dicks then fuck you i will laugh at you when your straw house is blown down lol

        • VPN

          @’xpmule’

          “many groups i was involved was nailed by the FBI” – not too bright dude.

          “And by the way your response to me that you daisy chain VPN’s when i say VPN’s are not bullet proof is dumb! I never said anything about that and your basiclly avoiding every single word i said and changing the subject.”
          - I started the VPN thread post you knucklehead. You jumped in spouting doom and gloom. You offer nothing positive to the discussion.

          “how many people do that anyway? (I assume you mean VPN cascades)
          I hope lot’s of people use multi-hop VPNs. Despite your obvious lack of security. What’s your answer … Do Nothing? Yeah that works.
          Knock knock … FBI here.

          “you VPN users are probably the worst file sharers of them all”
          - Dude you are a REAL DICK! Go to a warez blog and post your shit there.
          .

  • Thomishere

    Copying is not stealing. Sharing is caring and having two fingers in your mouth all day will make you sick.

    Look at the sorry state of Newsgroups today – No different than Cyberlockers awhile back

    2012 was a Joke and 13 will be worse no doubt.

    • xpmule

      and for how long did we have to put up with cocky smug attitude from newsgroup users laughing at torrent users etc
      thinking they were exempt to all this, kinda like VPN users now !!

      • Thomishere

        Put up with what? Get real, perhaps a Life?

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  • KDC

    The vast majority of people that support piracy do so simply because it saves them money and time. A very small number are concerned with civil liberties in this way, though a fraction may claim to be in order to use these issues to justify their actions. Overall I doubt that most “pirates” in the world actually care about it on a political level as long as they can still download free movies.

    • VPN

      I care about Internet freedom. I also care about privacy.
      I love technology and I exploit it to ensure my freedoms.
      TPB has a “FU” attitude towards the “powers that be”.
      I like that. It is pleasing. It is freedom.

    • guest

      I will say, even if a monopoly treaty is passed, if the people make themselves heard said treaty can be ignored just as well as the Kyoto protocol was in Canada (I’d say “and the states”, but I’m not sure if they signed that one.)

    • KDC_is_a_Troll

      Sure, the same way for the millions of people that go to the urns to vote, just to legitimate a system that won’t even consider their opinion in most serious matters, they just go to comply with their civic duty, maybe for a media blackmail, for whatever reason, voting has not solved our problems, the same way, making illegal to download files wont stop human beings from communication and sharing.
      If you ask for reasons there are plenty for many things, who are you to know why people do or do not do anything?

      There, you damned troll.

      • IHaveNoBalls

        “If you ask for reasons there are plenty for many things, who are you to know why people do or do not do anything?”

        Nice words, that really needs to be said more often this forum – for these people who come up with one reason for something happening..

        • Simpleminded Idiot

          Things don’t just happen because of a single reason,you simple minded idiot.

        • One Reason

          I don’t know what were the reasons of other persons, in my case,
          I just came to this web after knowing about the shutdown of Megaupload,
          then I learned other things just happened and others are happening.

    • John

      yes however the “very small number” still equates to millions of people :)

    • Xult

      If you doubt that most filesharers would care on a political level.
      then why do hundreds of people take part in forums like TF?
      And why do you bother making comments?
      Most people see this worldwide copyright lobby as the thin end of
      the wedge for overall censorship of the web!
      Which would be part of overall censorship and spying of citizens
      in all parts of life!
      Is wikileaks a filesharing host site or a news provider?
      If only a news provider then the only reason they are blocked is
      because certain parties want to conceal information!
      Interests of National Security?
      National Security would be best employed if the citizens of
      the Nation concerned were fully informed about the machinations
      of the politicians they are considering electing.
      e.g the war against terror looking for weapons of mass destruction
      in Iraq. Which was nothing more than propaganda by Bush and
      his Haliburton friends to gain Iraqi oil at the expense of thousands
      of lives.
      Was it in the Interest of the Iragi National Security that Britain and
      America told lies to allow an invasion of Iraq?
      Was it Interest of the security of British, American and coalition
      soldiers who lost their lives or were horribly wounded?
      It is not all about filesharing!
      The filesharing debate is rather more important than you seem to realise

      • Myka_rosallo

        “If you doubt that most filesharers would care on a political level.
        then why do hundreds of people take part in forums like TF?”

        Man, that’s *exactly* his point…the number of people interested or involved at this level is NOTHING compared to the total number of filesharers. With that in mind, this sort of campaigning isn’t necessarily even representative of the beliefs of “pirates” as a group.

        The rest of your post was unfortunately insanity bordering on tin-foil-hat status. It’s not an issue of “National Security”, it’s downloading a freakin’ movie.

        • Colin Carr

          And how many people protested about ACTA?
          Over 200,000 took part in demonstrations last February.
          Several hundred thousand wrote to their MEPs opposing ACTA.
          Of the millions who DIDN’t express an opinion, many were older people who don’t see the relevance of the right to privacy etc etc to their lives. Many more are opposed to ACTA but didn’t make the effort the protest, lazy I know.

          But just because not EVERY EU citizen raised a voice against ACTA doesn’t mean a majority supported Big Brother’s effort to intrude into their lives like the STASI.

          As you very well know, governments, very often the US government, cry ‘National Security” when they really mean, “My campaign contributions”. A real national security issue would be the Mexican Air Force bombing El Paso Tx, or Canadian troops and tanks coming over the border into Washington State.

      • ScrewEwe2

        In the US, I’ve never encountered a block of Wikileaks or TPB.

        http://vimeo.com/30998268

    • PelouzeTF

      “The vast majority of people that support piracy do so simply because it saves them money and time.”

      Particularly money. Heavy downloaders try to dress it up in all manner of weak excuses but basically its so they dont have to spend any money for other peoples creativity while consuming $000′s in entertainment.

      • IHaveNoBalls

        They are rarely excuses. They are reasons. Its not like people try to think of an excuses or pardons so they can go on the internet and tell fools like you why they should be allowed to download.

        • PelouzeTF

          Its obvious why people download copywritten materials for free. Its because of the tools and currently available websites, the risk is low and they don’t spend any money.

          You’re just too coward to admit to it.

      • Guest

        “Heavy downloaders try to dress it up in all manner of weak excuses but basically its so they dont have to spend any money for other peoples creativity while consuming $000′s in entertainment.”

        Pathetic lie is pathetic.

        http://www.google dot com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=filesharers+%22buy+more%22

        The heaviest downloaders tend to buy the most. What excuse will you attempt to dress up your lie in, Pelouze? Or will you even bother trying?

        (also, lol at the 14 likes you’ve given yourself)

      • xpmule

        i pirate because i don’t want to spend money ?
        your a fool !
        the product people download is not the same as what is being sold for one thing.
        for example if i buy a dvd i may be supporting copyright trolls but if i download one i am bypassing that and getting file in a method i want at the price i want whether its netflix or utorrent etc and lets not forget that an xvid / avi dvd rip by some random guy on the net may not be the same product contained in a dvd. and lets factor in how many people like myself that buy and download plenty of games and software etc
        For example i have licenses for tons of stuff and if possible i seek out and download alternative versions for various reasons such as having an updated windows disc or a copy of GTA 4 with a no dvd/xlive/gfwl/socialclub/drm crack.
        So yeah i downloaded it and bought it and the same for every single Battlefield game and expansion they ever made EXCEPT for that free game they released (it sounded gay)

        Your clueless period.

      • Frankie098

        Tell us truthfully,how many times did you vote for yourself,Troll.

      • MadAsASnake

        Many people download because the prices set are too high, the content is not reasonably available if at all, and because they can. I don’t see any big problem with this as the media sellers can solve those problems if they want to. The other category that I have no problem with is that category that should be out of copyright, but has been brought back in by extensive lobbying exercises.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        “but basically its so they dont have to spend any money for other peoples creativity while consuming $000′s in entertainment.”

        Since the “lost sale” has been scientifically disproven said entertainment would not have earned any revenue without piracy either.

        And since pirates are the ones who in, market study after market study, prove to be the biggest customers your argument is contrary to empirical data.

        What next, PelouzeTF? Cry harm and foul because reality isn’t the way you say it is?

    • Thomishere

      KDC (Or shall I call you Propaganda Balloon)

      I don’t support anyone that lives in a shoe.

      Saving time is an Essence built into all Humans – Pretty good ya? Others use it more wisely than other’s of course…
      “civil liberties” sounds like good ol Americana, something I am not used to hearing on the streets that I live in.

      Perhaps a nutshell: Cheaper prices for all! It’s costs the industry pittance to mass produce the Discs anyway.

      political censorship of the Internet will leave you and you’re ilk looking under your cars for bombs in the Future (No different to any struggle) – Sorry to be blunt…

    • xpmule

      many will care when their rights are taken away..
      sometimes it takes losing something to realize what you had..

    • Wallace

      :”The vast majority of people that support piracy do so simply because it saves them money and time.”

      The vast majority I know who pirate don’t do so to pirate. They do so to get something that isn’t for sale. They know the difference between that and stealing, which is why they’re going to continue. And they don’t trust corporate boilerplate, so that won’t convince them otherwise.

      Last but not least, they don’t read this blog.

  • Guest

    I predict that the Megaupload case will reveal more corrupt and unlawful actions caused by the MPAA/FBI/DOJ and those in US government.

    • IHaveNoBalls

      I think the trail will go nowhere and eventually the US Gov will try to forget about it.

  • http://ingsoc.eu/ Henry Rouhivuori

    “Välfärden börjar vid 100 Mbit!” (Kreti och Pleti)

    http://www2.piratpartiet.se/referenser/hymn_till_warezhavet

    • Sense

      Sorry but i, and i’m sure other folks here, don’t understand you. Maybe english would be better.

      • guess who

        its about this:

        Ode to the sea of warez

        Quote

        What has been diffused and shared
        longs to be healed

        - Karin Boye describes BitTorrent

        If you have access to a computer with internet access, it’s easy to download movies and music for free. A small application on your computer connects your hard drive with thousands of other computers around the värdlen. Then it’s just to change and copy what you want.

        Tom, Dick and Harry , Tom, Dick & Pletis website

        I crawl out of my bunk about two o’clock
        and I heat a pizza that was left since yesterday
        hoists sail and flag, and begin my day
        by launching DC, Azureus, Kazaa
        I greet the crew of the MSN
        -Hey you, friend, fun, on seeing you again!
        Control of the sea, and the wind is right
        and we thank Poseidon for fast Internet

        Oh-a-oh, we leave our harbor
        and sail warezhavet against foreign country
        Pirates, comrades, we rob and fight
        and everyone will share the spoils with us

        I sit at the screen soothing glow
        and writes a hate letter to Henrik Pontén
        I express my common objective contempt
        and scorn since Antipiracy Agency hunting

        Free is good, you see, little Henry
        to leave the sinking ship
        You are welcome over to us all the others,
        I think that you will be forgiven
        Why fight for a few of the film company executives
        when the people have said what they want?
        Yes, the Internet is like a large library
        with lots of CDs and DVDs

        Oh-a-oh, we leave our harbor
        and sail warezhavet against foreign country
        Pirates, comrades, we rob and fight
        and everyone will share the spoils with on-

        Oh-a-oh, we leave our harbor
        and sail warezhavet against foreign country
        Pirates, comrades, we rob and fight
        and everyone will share the spoils with on-

        Oh-a-oh, oh-a-oh, oh-å-å

        Prosperity begins at 100 Mbps!
        Prosperity begins at 100 Mbps!

        Read original at Tom, Dick & Pletis website

        kretiochpleti-hymntillwarezhavet.mp3 (4234 kb)

  • Guest

    I am hoping that all the corporate entertainment industry and banking parasites will be eradicated in 2013.

    • SoundnuoS

      What will you download after that?

  • Nejtillpirater

    Hopefully in 2013 the entertainment industry will no longer be able to afford to hire trolls and therefore stop spreading fake opinions and disinformation on the net.

    • Sense

      It was too good to be true :)

    • Anon1

      Icwutudidthar.

    • xpmule

      karma is our friend ;)

  • Uk_x3non

    ‘Skyfall’ becomes first $1 billion James Bond movie

    yup piracy is hurting the industry LOL

    • Guest

      Yeah, they are just a bunch of greedy sons of bitches.They s**t money and still they want more. I say, F**K THAT.

    • Anyone

      don’t worry, after they are done with their accounting it will surely be making losses, so they don’t have to pay taxes and don’t have to pay out the agreed % of revenue

      • Guest

        They can always hire a UK accountant. Look at Starbucks.

    • guess who

      posted to usenet tonight. get it while its hot.

      • 9ine

        Who wants that movie? Not me.

        • guess who

          my brother phoned me up to let me know. i said to him i’d not seen a bond film in years and wasn’t really interested.

      • So Sad

        Did HickDead shut down? Sadness … :(

  • sagsamsig

    I think it is going to be quite interesting to see how trhat all works out.
    http://www.its-anon.tk

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  • commenter8

    Great article as always… thank you Rick!!

    • VPN

      Yes. Rick is a player. Funny how he was right there when the pink sweater girl fucked over Julian. Same for the wacked out blond dike. Rick is a magnet for wackness! But he’s a good guy. Maybe someday the Assange insanity will end. Maybe the Men in Sweden will bitch-slab all the femi-nazi’s that have taken control of their country. Right now Sweden is FUCKED!
      (not happy f’d but f’d up f’d)

      • guess who

        you should have used a vpn, your net.nanny isp censored your post! /joke.

      • Frankie098

        Well Said!,I could not agree more.

  • Past Tense

    While I fileshare on the basis that my copying a file does not prevent the owner from selling it to anyone else (as the theft of a physical object does), I quite disagree with the author that copyright enforcement is an infringement on freedom of speech except in certain fringe situations of parody and fair use.

    I even wonder if the OP practices what he preaches: if someone were to start posting here by simply signing his posts Rick Falkvinge (as an expression of that poster’s freedom of speech) would he still accept that that poster is entitled to sign his posts however he wants or would he complain to Torrentfreak management and have them censored?

    My prediction is that the government and copyright enforcers are going to go heavily against anyone making money off filesharing, big lawsuits and cutting off payment mechanisms.

    • BuddhaFacePalmed

      No, that’s a completely different type animal. What Rick advocates is file-sharing, not counterfeiting. File-sharing is “hey, I’ve find this book/game/movie awesome and I want to share it with the rest of the world”. If someone else were to start posting as Rick Falkvinge, that would be “I’m pretending to be rick falkvinge so everyone can look at my crappy articles and I can feel satisfied knowing i’ve just trolled an entire community”.

      Got it?

    • chronoss

      i’d like you to have my game ONLY freely speak
      so hes saying games should not be copyrighted

      NOR applications
      posting as a known person can be seen as impersonation
      has zero to do with free speech but say someone posted as falksucks thats his opinion and freedom to do so….we then have no confusion as to whom is whom..
      see and child molestation advocacy is not free speech , anyhting that advocates HATE or real harm physically has no place in my world

      • BuddhaFacePalmed

        o.O

        chronoss, Rick’s not advocating child pedophilia or molestation, he’s advocating the right to hold any type of information. Holding documentation of child abuse for evidence should not make you criminally liable for possession of child pornography

        • Anyone

          ignore him, he is obsessed with paedophilia and brings it up in every post

          he’s a simple stupid troll

    • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

      “…..government and copyright enforcers are going to go heavily against anyone making money off filesharing, big lawsuits and cutting off payment mechanisms.”

      So, what you’re predicting is no change from the repression we’ve experienced.

      Fair enough.

      What Rick is saying is, first, that repression will fail; and, second, that repression will cause more popular activism on behalf of a Constitutionally protected Internet.

      Also fair enough.

      My sense is that the Corporate Monopolies, not just those in control of Copyrights; but, everwhere within the economies of America and Europe, have too great and too tight a grip on our
      electoral and Constitutional protections for us to indulge even the slightest optimism.

      The horrors that are at risk have no description.

      • Anon

        Bingo. Well said. Lay off the lawlessness and maybe retain some of our unabused privileges instead? Just start thinking like adults. Imagine that.

        • Christopher Kidwell

          Anon, why don’t you lay off copying something that you don’t have the money for being ‘lawlessness’. You just saying it is doesn’t make it true in the goddamned slightest.

        • Guest

          @Anon

          No thanks. Instead of having our rights dictated by tyrants who can revoke them at will if we don’t play by their rules, we’ve decided to simply destroy the tyrants.

          So far it’s working. SOPA and PIPA are dead. The RIAA and MPAA are fatally wounded. We’ve finally struck some fear of the people into the hearts of politicians.

          Anyway, here’s my own prediction for 2013: you’ll be flipping burgers before the year is out while reminiscing about that sweet job you had shilling for the copyright monopoly on the internet.

        • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

          Actually, we don’t exist to beg entrenched Corporate Monopolies for the full measure of our humanity.

          Our Humanity long preceded those Corporations and their previleges.

          Even under conditions of utter strife, I CAN concede a moral; or legal; or economic; or political, pre-eminance to another Human Being, my true moral, economic and political neighbor; but, we must NEVER concede the kind of moral and legal equivalence (and, perhaps primacy), to these Towering Corporations that you are here defending as the meritorious sweet waters of existing law.

          Here, you offer us a lethal poison.

          We could NEVER return it to you, our Human neighbor; but, we WILL make certain that the Corporations for whom you advocate can NEVER again confuse our Rights with those “rights” that we once chose, in our democratic sovereignty, to allow them to have; and, we will make certain that they NEVER again confuse OUR power with those powers which, again, in our democratic sovereignty, we once bestowed on them.

          Once we have clarified this in our six billion minds, we WILL take back what we gave them.

          We will then make clear withn the trembling hearts of our legislators that those are OUR democracies; that, in fact, those democracies were NEVER intended as the privileged beneficial of Corporations.

          We will then grab them by their mother-fucking-throats and BEAT them like they owe us money!!

          We will FIST FUCK them in the Public Square untill they understand that those are OUR Intellectual Property; and, that in fact, it was always OUR Intellectual Property; and that, indeed, it was NEVER their Intellectual Property to put into a Corporate Domain in Perpetuity.

          At last, when we have finished revoking and rewriting their Corporate Charters to suit our interests, we just might choose to let them live (not in the guise of artificial people; but, as mere chattel), with all of the Constitutional Rights of Mere Chattel.

        • xpmule

          Lay off the lawlessness ?
          Sure no problem none of us are advocating committing any crimes..
          File sharing is NOT illegal .

          try again ? lol

        • MadAsASnake

          I am not endebted to Hollywood for my civil liberties, they have no right to tell me what to do. They have no rights to remove those hard-one rights and I for one will fight to defend them.

    • Stepan Benyovszky

      Foolish.

      Impersonating someone is an infringement of one’s liberties, not a copyright infringement, and as such has always been outlawed. It is not something the pirates stand for. I am against copyright, but would always post as myself – not as George Bush turned saint and smart, even if it bore profit to me.

      I am fairly sure, tho, that Rick would allow you to quote him, re-use his articles, even print and sell all of his texts, as long as you personally did not profit from it, but rather only looked to cover your expenses for spreading the ideas that matter.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Actually, Ricks articles are all CC0. I.e. “No Rights Reserved”.

        Which unless I mistake my guess means if you can sell them, he’ll be pleased as long as you don’t claim original authorship.

    • MadAsASnake

      The point is that while downloading Hollywood Blockbusters might not be a big free speech issue, the actions taken in attempts to curb it certainly are. Your second point is not about copying, but misrepresentation. This sort of misrepresentation, like plagiarism is a much more serious issue – it is directly dishonest.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      “I even wonder if the OP practices what he preaches: if someone were to start posting here by simply signing his posts Rick Falkvinge (as an expression of that poster’s freedom of speech) would he still accept that that poster is entitled to sign his posts however he wants or would he complain to Torrentfreak management and have them censored?”

      That one’s been answered already. Rick’s original statement on Pirate principles does acknowledge trademark and name as the only valid part of IP. Copyright in a non-commercial sense is not.

      Because using someone elses name automatically becomes “fraud”. Using Rick’s name on, say, a check will be fraud. Using my name on a loan application becomes the same. Selling a bottle of non-bran aspirin with the “Merck” name on it means you pass yourself off as someone else.

      Making a copy is NOT similar in any way – not until you can start paying your rent with a copy of a Justin Bieber CD anyway.

      However, You are certainly free to re-post anything you like and publish any images presented on his blog exactly as you like.

      I find it startling how many different posters come along saying “I pirate but…” only to present an MPAA-style mudslinging insinuation. Or had you simply not read Rick’s other articles?

      “…and cutting off payment mechanisms.”

      It’s eerie how proponents of Bitcoin and similar currencies are all saying the alternatives only need sufficient obstruction thrown into the regular fiscal exchange mechanisms in order to become popular.

      What I’d be worried about is when people start relying on such alternatives for unimportant micropayments én másse. Because that’s when Paypal, Mastercard and Visa lose their place on the market.

      • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

        “Rick’s original statement on Pirate principles does acknowledge trademark and name as the only valid part of IP

        With that said, just as a follow up, Rick has also said before that anyone is more than welcome to plagiarize him, to take his work and present it as their own if they wish (Something about the Creative Commons he releases his stuff under?) and that social conventions and social pressure prove to be far greater disincentive than any potential legal action ever could be.

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  • chronoss

    your smoking crack rick , canada just got bent over and bad and now the mass lawsuits are starting here, and they are re starting in the uk and still going in the usa.

    tell me when will these lazy bastards and there predatory lawyers get turfed form society as criminals….
    NEVER as long as the US system continues as it does.

    • MadAsASnake

      Thats those mass law suits in which cases never end up in court and the evidence is never examined, right? Same thing happening in the UK with GEIL. It’s extortion, it should be prosecuted.

  • http://gear-mentation.myopenid.com/ Gear Mentation

    Cheers!

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  • Stepan Benyovszky

    May at least this come true.

    But I believe you are actually being too modest. The Pirates have made a decisive move from the obscurely alternative to the politically acceptable fringe. This was a huge step, and let us hope some more are coming.

    We need to focus not only on copyright laws, but also on the important decentralization agenda on the local level – cities, precincts – which brings in recruitment, talented young people demanding change, whom we need if we ever hope to challenge the current order.

    Almost any of our western national government establishments is officially more corrupt and compromised today than it was at any point in the past twenty years. The next few years are a massive opportunity for those pursuing the true ideas of civic liberty.

    • xpmule

      we need to get our ducks in line.. set aside our differences and work together to protect our rights and the destruction of the internet.

      I have heard of the pirate party but what do we have to help unify us all ?
      I’d like to see some kind of group we could all join that would keep us alerted to needed activity.. when their is a rally in our town or a vote we need to cast for a politician or what ever etc…

      If we got organized and worked together like our enemy has already been doing for years we could help bring this war to an end way sooner !

      File sharing is not a crime and i intend on making it stay that way..

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        “I have heard of the pirate party but what do we have to help unify us all ?
        I’d like to see some kind of group we could all join that would keep us alerted to needed activity.. “

        Good place to start.

        http://internetdefenseleague.org/

  • Stepan Benyovszky

    “The horrors that are at risk have no description.”

    Indeed.
    I was born under Communist rule. My first memories of TV news are something I can actually see repeating itself in our not-so-distant future. We are NOT there yet – but we’re well on track.

  • Mr T’s Gold

    “Sharing is caring” try telling that to Gottfrid Svartholm as his cell mate cuddles up to him at night.

  • Anon

    I think it’s all about the money. Industries won’t care as long as they get the same market shares and cashflows as always. Governments won’t care as long as the industries remain compensated at historic levels so they can keep creating jobs and pay the taxes. And pirates won’t care about anything, not freedom, not privacy, not anonymity, they’ll even tunnel or hijack someone’s wifi or even blame it on their kids…..as long as they can get their stuff for free.

    • Stepan Benyovszky

      It is about the money. But not prosperity.

      First of all, there is no such entity as an “industry”. Corporations, yes. They want to get a bigger slice of the cake. It is only natural. However, being by definition bureaucratic institutions, they tend to not enlarge the cake, but to push others off it, or even make the cake smaller while maintaining their position – and thus, to enlarge their slice and stabilize their position. Like all bureaucracies. Stability. Continuation. Preservation.
      Stagnation. Recession.

      Same goes for governments. As for individual citizens, not so much.

      This is the real “same old, same old.” Organizations and institutions tend to put rules into place that keep individuals from challenging the order. The biggest step in the structural evolution of human society was a conscientious challenge to that principle. To allow human society to develop further, we must revive the principles that stood at the core of its modernization.

      From this point of view, the current institution of copyright is an abomination that needs to be abolished.

    • chronoss

      and the more you take form everyones pockets dear anon the less they have the more you need to tighten and take mroe and suddenly one day you wake and there is no more cash and a real revolution begins

      and the last law they will try and pass is mandatory paycheck and entertainment removal as in they auto take cash form you whether you buy anyhting at all. Also to protect you rejects of the world ergo actors musicans and lawyers and buddies will become increasingly expensive and more indies that will give things away freely…in fact i urge all people on disabilities that can do things to do stuff freely and ask for a donation at most. The more that this happens the more a open source movie/tv/game htings become.

      Windows 8 will be the last windows that ms will sell cause after this no one will want what they are selling….bad move to try and be apple after the fact apple and samsung got there as did others.
      instead of improving win7 or win xp they keep moving to dumb and dumber….

      like where is the up arrow in win 7 on file explorer that xp had ROFL more work to use an operating system is not a good sign for users. WHEN linux gets steam games hard core things are gonna be a real fight…no way does anyone want a locked bootloader you the user can’t control…good luck with that.

      Sympathy …NONE MS signed a deal a long time ago now with the mpaa….they can suffer. and apple while its us judges seem to be constantly handing it wins or minor ones , the rest of the world isn’t and last i checked the rest of the world has ten times more people in it.

      Add the fiscal cliff and 16 trillion debt ….copyright nor patents wont help them when they are broke.

    • Guest

      lol @ Anon

      Once again trying to sell the lie that pirates only care about free stuff despite A., the fact that pirates buy more media than any other demographic, and B. the fact that there are politically active Pirate Parties around the world.

      Try harder, son.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Oh, let’s give poor old “Baghdad Bob” his due. It’s even harder to push the MPAA world view than it was to claim a victory for Saddam’s republican guard when the US forces were setting up camp inside Baghdad.

    • tonyj123

      Sounds like a Republican, you do know Romney lost the election based on the “free stuff” and the 47% speech and because people saw through his load of crap.

    • xpmule

      for free ?
      yup !
      why should i pay for things that are suppose to be for FREE ?
      wanna do the morality routine ?
      hmmmm are there any examples of the copyright trolls doing unethical things ? lol
      your unbelievable !

      you can’t blame people for trying to avoid being harassed for no good reason either.. what this has to do with my neighbors wifi i have no idea either.

      I see what your saying but to me it’s just playing games and warping the facts to justify destroying the internet, corruption, harassment, intimidation, extortion, lying, cheating, theft and the whole slaughter of our basic rights.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      “And pirates won’t care about anything, not freedom, not privacy, not anonymity, they’ll even tunnel or hijack someone’s wifi or even blame it on their kids…..as long as they can get their stuff for free.”

      Ah. You mean spending money on VPN’s and spending efforts on proxies…not to mention spending twice as much money on bought media as anyone not pirating means they want to not pay?

      Your delusions are showing again, Baghdad Bob.

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  • torrent freakster

    To all those hypocrites that follow “Sharing is caring” religion.
    One question; Would you share your wives with me ?

    Religion another word for hypocrisy (and fear)

    • Sense

      I would share a copy of my wives :)

    • 7th_Guest

      We freely share relevant knowledge and culture, we’re not slave owners. Those of us that are married have also chosen to share their emotions, experiences and the rest of their lives with people who, too, are free-willed masters of themselves, not anyone’s property. In short, for you to “share” a Pirate’s spouse, their own consent would be, as ever, necessary and, judging by their aversion to flawed reductive reasoning, I’ll hazard the guess that your chances would be next to none, just like they’ve always been.

      As a last point, religion has little to do with the Pirate Ideology: the former is a collection of supernatural folklore tales (dogma) cunningly attached to “divine” teachings designed to ensure the continued prosperity and socio-political influence of its salesmen/operators which are never meant to be questioned (taken on faith) by the gullible populace they are aimed at. Pirates, on the other hand, wish to improve the world for everyone, creator and sharer alike, by seeking to apply in their daily lives their logic-derived tenet of personal empowerment through democratizing access (and participation) to free, open knowledge and culture. Nobody’s expected to embrace that stance as a matter of blind faith (everything gets discussed and examined transparently) and doing so doesn’t benefit the inductor any more or less than the newcomer. Pirate Ideology is no more religion than the concepts of freedom or democracy.

    • Guest

      @torrent freakster

      Well, if I had a wife, and I could clone her, and the clone was cool with it, then yes. I’d share her with you.

      Do you have any other jaw-droppingly stupid analogies, or was it just that one?

    • xpmule

      many examples prove the answer is yes..

      for example go do a poll to see how many porn stars are married.

      also i would like to know how hot she is before anyone tries to share their wife with me lol

    • Frankie098

      “One question; Would you share your wives with me”

      Fuck Yeah! I’ll email her to you,I have two more so you can keep that one.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      You imply we own our wives?

      No, sorry, slavery was abolished in the 18th century. I’m not too surprised to see a pro-MPAA commentator trying to use it as an argument though.

      • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

        Hey, man, I put that ring on her finger, it’s symbolic of the ring around her neck. I paid for that ring, she wears it, that means she’s my property. I own her.

        ((just don’t let my wife know I said, this, she’ll kill me!!))

  • WTF

    Sharing is caring. The AA’s are going to cringe when they get a load of the USB sized computers hitting the market in 2013 swapping files into gigantic external hard disks…. Filesharing isn’t going ANYWHERE…

  • torrent freakster

    I think privacy and freedom will be taken away even more in 2013

    I’m interested to see when the general public starts to care about this.

    Wouldn’t it be funny if the media companies ruled the world 100 years from now ?
    Yes I was thinking of one of those futuristic when-things-got-bad movies.
    I those movies this is how it starts.

    Just throwing the idea out there. The possibility is there and it is getting more likely by the year.
    Media companies could extend their business and become a super company.
    One that dabbles in everything from military to grocery shops.

    The other possibilities are Google, Apple or Microsoft. They are already evil.
    All these companies have scored more evil points this year alone.

    For example:
    Microsoft, locked-in windows 8 and windows 8 rt. The “secure boot” that affects all free OS like linux. Open source might become an extortion racket. You have to pay a fee to get access and be allowed for a limited time to make free software without being called bad words like untrustworthy publisher. No more free software in windows.
    Oh wait that’s already here with signature certificates. All under full control of microsoft.

    They could have made a security feature like signature certificates free and completely under the users control but the chose the evil greedy, full control path like apple with its app store.

    • Anon

      The huge strategic blunder pirates made under very poor leadership is the infringement. This handed everything back to the industries.

      Had pirates simply STOPPED buying but infringed on NOTHING, simply did without all the “hollywood crap” while setting up a free-to-creator’s powered by advertising distribution hub on truly copyright-free works of every kind, the artists would have flocked there and by now that site would be a monster and there’d be not one damn thing industry could do about it. Not a fucking thing but weep.

      But there’s a little thing called “lying pirate greed.” Well documented by now. And man, do the artists ever know it. Search “artists for copyright” and spend DAYS reading lists, webpage after webpage of famous and not so famous artists and unions all over the world, the same unions that fight the big boys in the administration of the entertainment cartels. The artists know you rip them off, and even “part of the time” is still ripping them off. No one deserves to be paid for creation. EVERYONE deserves to be paid for every single copy if you make one.

      So not only do pirates feel entitled to free copies of every bit of hollywoods “crap”, they’ll spin the unlawful infringement as bullshit “free speech” (threatening our speech) as if copying a movie is “speech”, and worse, take extraordinarily selfish and small minded measures (like TOR or hacking wifi) to extend and continue the free ransacking, openly screwing the rights holders and DARING government to pass the very legislations pirates bitch about. The licensing of VPN’s will be next. Abuse those as you love to boast about here and mark my words, we’ll lose those, too. You alone are criminalizing yourselves.

      Pirates are idiots. And greedy selfish ones at that. And stupid. Astonishingly so.

      • Guest

        “Pirates are idiots. And greedy selfish ones at that. And stupid. Astonishingly so.”

        By insulting people you are also insulting yourself with the same insults.

        • Anon

          Truth hurts and piracy is a frenzy of grabbing, blinded by greed for possession without payment beyond anything the industries could have ever dreamed up. It is manifesting as historical fact. You think this makes you wise? Get over yourself.

        • Christopher Kidwell

          Anon, hardly. CULTURE is something that people should not have to pay to take part in and most times, the things people ‘pirate’ are not available in their country or they have actually already paid for the things in question and DON’T want to go the fucktardary of paying twice for the same thing.

          Ala, I pay for a cable TV membership, I am damned well not also going to pay for DVD’s and Blu-Ray’s when the movies are available on cable TV at this moment or sooner or later.

        • Icec0ld

          @Anon

          The only person who needs to get over themselves is you. Piracy is beneficial and irrelevant to the industry and the profit it receives.

          Get over it and accept the real truth of the matter.

        • Guest

          @Anon “”"Truth hurts and piracy is a frenzy of grabbing, blinded by greed for possession without payment beyond anything the industries could have ever dreamed up. It is manifesting as historical fact. You think this makes you wise? Get over yourself.”"”

          Yes Truth hurts and it is certainly hurting judging by the way in the way you insult people on here to smear them just to make yourself look good and wise but all you are doing is showing to everyone on here how little a person and insulting you are. Your comment has been flagged and all future insulting comments will also be flagged. If you can’t respect then you have no place on this website. You are the one who should get over himself!!!! And the way that you have insulted back to pointing out that you are insulting clearly shows that my point was correct.

        • Guest

          @Anon I meant to say “Yes Truth hurts and it is certainly hurting you judging by the way in the way you insult people on hear to smear them just to make yourself look good and wise but all you are doing is showing to everyone on here how little a person and insulting you are”.

        • xpmule

          Anon
          you deserve a ban.

          your just Trolling it up here..

      • Sense

        I think you missed the point that artist are not ripped off. The distributor are being replaced and this is the evolution. Artist have a lot of other way to make cash like sponsors, doing show, etc. They are not ripped off. In the same process it might be good, because less crap will be made only for the cash and we will have good music or movie again. Maybe the artist will have another job and they will doing music after the work hours. I think they will adapt pretty well.

        I don’t see how this is dramatic like you describe. It’s not the end of the world, it’s the evolution..

        • tonyj123

          Lets look at a hypothetical situation that is completely possible, what if every one stopped their pirating download today and forever or a while, could the Artist, Music Industry and film Industry claim they are loosing money? No they can’t. It’s only when they create this ephemeral, nebulous idea that someone out there is pirating can they attach any possible monetary value to whatever their claim is. It’s fascinating really, here’s a group, the pirate community, that can shut down the industry, reduce their revenues if they want, avoid artist that harass them and there is nothing they could do about it because they need us to make their money.

      • Guest

        You’re an idiot, Anon.

        How many laws and levies have we ended up paying for regardless of whether we pirate anything, each of which scream “YOU MUST BE A PIRATE!”

        If I’m going to be called a pirate and pay for the privilege why the hell would anyone aside from a masochist would not be one? You’re paying to get slapped in the face; why wouldn’t you slap back? Unless you’re getting soothed by industry white chocolate, of course.

      • Foff

        Hey anon how much do you get paid to write your dribble?

        • xpmule

          directly or indirectly i’d almost guarantee it !

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Probably nothing. It’s a very low grade of dribble.

      • Guest

        “The huge strategic blunder pirates made under very poor leadership”

        We aren’t and never were under any kind of leadership.

        “This handed everything back to the industries.”

        The industries are utterly helpless. All they can do is boast about their grand anti-piracy schemes and then watch as they do nothing. Exactly what have we handed back to them? It sure as hell isn’t power.

        “Had pirates simply STOPPED buying but infringed on NOTHING”

        Then they’d still be evil, industry-destroying criminals according to your own logic. Have you forgotten that your whole fucking problem with piracy is that “IT DEPRIVES TEH ARTISTS OF COMPENSATION WTFLOL!!1″

        Well, guess what else “deprives the artists of compensation”?

        Not buying anything at all. So what’s the difference, Anon?

        “But there’s a little thing called “lying pirate greed.”

        Yes. Sharing is greed. Facts are lies. War is peace. Welcome to 1984.

        “The artists know you rip them off

        Indeed, sadly a number of artists remain fooled by the copyright industry’s scam. Luckily, there are also artists who recognize this scam for what it is. And there are more of them each day.

        http://torrentfreak dot com/10000-artists-signed-up-for-pirate-bay-promotion- 12110

        promobay dot org

        “free ransackings”

        Best customers.

        http://www.google dot com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=filesharers+%22buy+more%22

        “Pirates are idiots. And greedy selfish ones at that. And stupid. Astonishingly so.”

        How can you call pirates idiots when you demonstrate yourself to be only mildly smarter than a tree stump with every comment you make? How can you call us greedy and selfish when when the entitlement complex of you and the copyright industry is off the charts?

        Oh yeah, hypocrisy, lies, and a total failure of self awareness. That’s how.

      • ScrewEwe2

        “No one deserves to be paid for creation. EVERYONE deserves to be paid for every single copy if you make one.”

        Anon, those two sentences say a lot about the Entertainment Industry., especially the music industry and their MAFIAA lawyers. They rip-off artists in the name of profit and rip-off fans in the name of artists.

        On the one hand, you try to portray yourself as being just a concerned citizen and internet user with no ties to the “industry” or the “MAFIAA”, angry at file sharers/pirates because we are responsible for governments taking away everyones freedoms, civil rights and privacy, yet you are alway’s bragging about how “we” have been monitoring piracy for a long time and “we” have just begun to serve out the punishment that us awful pirates deserve.

        You seem to be getting more and more frustrated all the time, and have started to turn into a very uncouth motherfucker indeed. What, nobody paying for your 2nd rate pr0n anymore and people are wising up to the extortion scams. Happy New Jeer.

        • ScrewEwe2

          P.S., Anon et al., It shall be duly noted, that the we’s referenced in the first part are not party to the “we’s” referenced in the second part, in so that the “we’s” earlier referenced are “you’s” and your real, or imagined Copywrong Troll buddies.
          1.) Any similarities to other unkown “we’s” living or diseased is purely coincidental.
          2.) These similarities shall also extend to deceased “we’s” I’ve never even heard of.

      • xpmule

        smoke much dope today ?

        greedy ?

        nope.. i couldn’t care less about 99.9999% of all products or whatever

        Idiots ?

        Like when someone with mentally ill views comes to a place like this and spouts such utterly ridiculous non sense ?

        who do you think your fooling with this crap ?

        You came here to call us greedy stupid idiots ?
        Yeah that makes YOU the smart one lol

        • SoundnuoS

          Why download what you don’t care about? How do you motivate not paying for downloading the stuff you do care about?

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @SoundnuoS

          “Why download what you don’t care about? How do you motivate not paying for downloading the stuff you do care about?”

          In the first case, obviously to see whether it might have been something worthy of my shelf space.
          And in the second instance, if it’s good enough to warrant shelf space, I get it some.

          This is why the book shelves and CD stacks of me and the other pirates mentioned in empirical studies tend to spend as much as we can on legally bought media. We value our libraries.

          However, none of us would buy all the cars we test drove.

          Get us a business model where we can trade a CD back in if we aren’t pleased with it the same way we can ask a refund in most restaurants if the meal served was crap we took a bite of and couldn’t eat and then we’ll talk.

          How about you stop asking for benefits no other industry ever gets instead of assuming those benefits are sacrosanct?

      • Frankie098

        “Pirates are idiots. And greedy selfish ones at that. And stupid. Astonishingly so.”

        And so are MAFIAA TROLLS like yourself.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        “This handed everything back to the industries.”

        You mean it handed nothing back to the industry. Every attempt made by industry to safeguard software and hardware has meant two things:

        1) Instant hacks.
        2) More open source software to cover the area made unusable by unwieldy DRM.

        “The licensing of VPN’s will be next…”

        I just love how you come right out and claim insanity on insanity. Yes, you can insist VPN’s be licensed. Go welcome the darknet as the next new standard.

        Because aside from the enforcement issue (impossible), any attempt that is made simply ensures ordinary client-client encryption instead.

        Indeed, all you make a case for is that because of piracy, humankind will willingly abolish the internet altogether. That won’t happen.

        And even suggesting it will means you are off your meds again, Baghdad Bob.

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  • Foff

    Fuck off anon get this forum and go hide in your mafiaa whole long live piracy!

  • ACTA Freezone

    Copyright monopolies will keep fighting, pouring money into propaganda and THINK that stopping piracy will boost their sales. If your material is crap to start with, why the fuck do you think people will still buy it? Mind boggling muppets.

  • utuxia

    Warrantless wiretaps? Congress votes yes

    Doens’t sound like the SOPA uprising did anything as far as changing Congress.

    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/12/warrantless-wiretaps-congress-votes-yes/

    • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

      You’re so right: So undemocratic!! So sneaky!! So damaging to individual citizens.

      The saving grace is that all it takes for that disgrace to be corrected, is for more people to notice it…..

      • utuxia

        There’s one final step before this passes I guess. I think people need to stop voting dem/repub and start voting libertarian. That’ll send a message. If you don’t, civil liberties will continue to erode in the name of national security.

  • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

    My predictions for 2013 are:

    - The Swedish Pirate Party will continue with their agony. According to the latest polls, they still have less than 0.7% support from the voters.

    - Legislation will take more steps in ensuring that current law actually applies. The TPB sentence has already been used as a reference in many other piracy cases, there is today a lot less confusion regarding the interpretation of the law for internet piracy.

    - Further actions against piracy sites. Takedowns, blocking, more requirements on responsibility like DMCA compliance.

    Sharing is caring – provided that you own the rights to share, otherwise it’s a breach of someone else’s rights. In case of copyright it’s actually parasitism:

    “Parasitism is a non-mutual relationship between organisms of different species where one organism, the parasite, benefits at the expense of the other, the host.”

    The pirate benefits on the economic rights of copyright at the expense of the creator. The pirate is the parasite, the creator is the host.

    • VPN

      My prediction for 2013 is Nejtillpirater’s lame-ass wordpress page will be OBLITERATED! HAPPY NEW YEAR!

    • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

      Your vast blindspot is that you don’t see Corporate parrasitism as the uniquely criminal abberration that threatens every human being, yourself included.

      I predict that you will be publicly discovered on Pirates Bay, searching under “Better Optiks”.

      • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

        “Your vast blindspot is that you don’t see Corporate parrasitism as the uniquely criminal abberration that threatens every human being, yourself included.”

        Can you please explain this coprorate parasitism? What is benefited and what in what way is that at the expense of someone?

        • icec0ld

          Look no further than the UK and the on going crusade to release IPs so that a porn company can chuck extortion letters at who so ever they desire to extort for money.

          That is what it’s like being a corporate parasite, clearly running a business with more in common with a Mafia racketeering and protection scam then any legitimate business.

          Have fun in the future when your endorsement of this practice results in you being accused one day and forced to hand over cash.

        • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

          You’re not aware that four years ago we paid 25 Trillion Dollars in Corporate Parrasitism Costs within our Financial Services sector alone?

          You’re not aware that a Corporately imposed unearned Monopoly Premium on Intellectual Property is an incalculable parrasitic extortion upon every Human Being on the Planet?

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          @IcecOld

          “Look no further than the UK and the on going crusade to release IPs so that a porn company can chuck extortion letters at who so ever they desire to extort for money.”

          Extorsion is illegal, file a complaint. No letters would have been sent without the piracy.

        • Anyone

          @NTP
          have you forgotten the vast number of false positives in that case?
          many thousand IP addresses collected were simply wrong and didn’t belong to a customer at the time they claimed

          so once again, an IP address is not valid evidence of anything, and writing extortion letters based on it should be illegal

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          @Anyone

          “have you forgotten the vast number of false positives in that case?
          many thousand IP addresses collected were simply wrong and didn’t belong to a customer at the time they claimed”

          Seems rather easy to solve. Logging must use a known timeframe as UTC, similar when checking IP addresses in logs. You can even add a safety margin in minutes to totally remove the risk of getting an incorrect owner of that IP address at a certain time.

          The fact that identification has failed before doesn’t disqualify the handling, only requires development of more reliable routines.

        • BJonesTF

          The thing is this, we have your IP, we have a timestamp, can we just accuse you of piracy and get a ‘strike’ against you?
          Prove you didn’t do it, you can’t.
          Did you do it? Do what? It’s just a claim, there’s no EVIDENCE, it’s an unverified accusation, and one you can’t defend against, because there’s no actual way TO defend against it.

        • Anyone

          even if you got the correct IP address you still don’t know which person has downloaded the file

          or do you want to sue a router?

        • Guest

          @Nej “Seems rather easy to solve. Logging must use a known timeframe as UTC, similar when checking IP addresses in logs. You can even add a safety margin in minutes to totally remove the risk of getting an incorrect owner of that IP address at a certain time.

          The fact that identification has failed before doesn’t disqualify the handling, only requires development of more reliable routines.”

          If it were so easy to solve then it would have been implemented long ago but because it happens shows that it is not easy or the handling is way to difficult to deal with. It is not rocket science to deal with.

        • Guess Who

          its simple, you think, cunt, money goes one way: to the corporate whores.

          your stupidity, nae, ignorance is offensive to the extreme.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “Seems rather easy to solve. Logging must use a known timeframe as UTC, similar when checking IP addresses in logs. You can even add a safety margin in minutes to totally remove the risk of getting an incorrect owner of that IP address at a certain time.”

          Then by all means tell the PhD’s in computer science who have given up on solving that problem how to do it?

          I’m sure anti-gravity is fairly easy to solve also, according to the same criteria you mention. So was nuclear engineering in the era of emperor Octavius.

          Now, NTP, be told once and for all – if you must comment on things you have no grasp of, be prepared to get smacked down.

          The reason that IP-adressing is NOT easy to solve has been fairly well established. It can be done only under very narrow and specialized circumstances. Such as one and the same person owning and having access to all of the name space.

          Which in the end means the only obvious solution is to disallow the ownership of a personal computer. Is that your version of “easy”?

    • Luke Solis

      Where have I heard this before?

      http://youtu.be/PiaS3c1hs7c

    • xpmule

      Piracy ?
      You must be on the wrong web site..
      None of us are into stealing or hijacking boats out on the ocean..
      We’re actually into something called File Sharing and that is legal.

      And your predictions would mean something if you had any credibility here..

      • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

        “And your predictions would mean something if you had any credibility here..”

        Most of my predictions regarding the outcome in the TPB case and other similar cases have been proven correct. It’s rather easy to predict what’s going to happen but difficult to predict how long it will take before the criminality and anarchy on the Internet will be reduced to the same “acceptable” low level as outside of the Internet.

        • Anyone

          of course it’s easy to predict if the judge is corrupt and only sees one side

        • Guest

          “It’s rather easy to predict what’s going to happen”

          NO it isn’t easy to predict what is going to happen – if that were the case you will be rich and famous and you are not both.

        • xpmule

          you’ve had long enough ..nothing changed
          and by the way TPB is still up and running so why you brought that up i have no idea lol

          If anything filesharing has increased so your predictions should say..
          nothing will change and there will still be a million sites up and dozens of methods to download.. is it any harder to download than it was 2 or 5 or 10 years ago ?
          NOPE.
          Its faster and more efficient and popular as its ever been.

          My prediction is more of the same..

    • http://ingsoc.eu/ Henry Rouhivuori

      The Swedish Pirate Party will continue to rise in polls, 1.1% now in november, and our broader platform will generate visibility in mainstream media.

      • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

        Sifo December: Others 0.7%

        Others includes the Swedish Pirate Party, The Donald Duck Party etc.

        http://www.tns-sifo.se/media/438534/vb_dec_2012_svd.pdf

        • MadAsASnake

          Single Issue parties never poll high, even though a broad segment of the population may support the goal.

  • ScrewEwe2

    Happy New Year Everyone, and here’s to hoping there’s more good News and P2P innovation for our Lot in 2013 than bad News and continued extortion attempts.

    Viva la Garlic Bread

    • TPB

      HAPPY NEW YEAR GOOGLE!

      BILLIONS OF DMCAs (and growing).

      TPB = BEST SEARCH ENGINE OF 2013!

  • Wilbert

    Hate to be blunt, but honestly, if these people really want to be compensated for something, get a REAL job. No one is forcing you to be an artist. I’m an electrician and I make $70-75k a year for actual measurable work. I get what I put in to it.

    • SoundnuoS

      What makes your life worth living? What do you fill the hours with when you’re not working? What makes your life anything but a grey grind laying wires day in and out?

      Since you’re posting on this forum I’m assuming part of it will be about music, movies, books or software.
      And the people creating these things that actually gives life some enjoyment besides work are worth nothing?

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        “And the people creating these things that actually gives life some enjoyment besides work are worth nothing?”

        Rebecca Black posted a youtube video once, became the internet’s most hated, and then sold the same song 200,000 times on iTunes, earning her a 10x roi.

        Trent Reznor gave away his album “Ghost I-IV” for free and still became Amazon’s top seller in 2008 with 1 million units sold (half of which was pure revenue for Trent – 2-3 million dollars right there). Paulo Coelho has sold hundreds of millions of copies of “The alchemist” – after placing it on The Pirate Bay for free downloading.

        If you can’t match the efforts of even Rebecca Black then you are indeed worth neither recognition nor remuneration for your efforts and should settle for creating art as a hobby rather than for a living.

        • SoundnuoS

          Rebecca Black gets her money because copyright enables her to. Without copyright someone else would have sold her song on iTunes earning practically infinity roi on an investment of near zero.

          Trent Reznor (like Radiohead when they did the same thing) has the recognition needed to pull off a stunt like that.
          That recognition (for both) was created during their time in the major label system. That system with the significant investments made in them enabled them to build the name needed for this.
          During their time in that system copyright was the only thing they had to protect them from total exploitation.

          Without copyright someone else would be selling their records.

          Note that neither Reznor nor Radiohead have chosen to repeat the experiment.

          And last I heard Reznor is back with a major label for distribution. They must be of some use after all.
          http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2012/10/trent-reznor-david-byrne-on-diy-vs-major-labels.html

          Without copyright someone else would have sold Paulo Coelho’s book instead of him.

          Your point?

          As an aside, considering my attempt to debunk it in one of the threads above, I’m still interested to hear your motivation as to how article 27 in the UN declaration of human rights validates filesharing?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZMZBHO6XDQEWLGUCC73KMFK3XE briand

    My predictions for 2013

    Google will start charging to process DMCAs $50 legit & $250 to $500 for fake ones this will mean DMCAs will drop as a whole 40% to 60%

    US ISPs will say hell no to the 6 strike crap to monitor torrent downloads if MPAA & RIAA will not pay them for there time to do this

    Adult King will get exposed for being a mega uploader in the past and did not get payed $750+ so he thinks anybody else should get payed from uploading

    A Pirate in Europe will get sued for uploading 30 or less files or could be for running a warez site the pirate will defete the copyrite trolls for the first time ever

    MPAA & RIAA will try to get the DMCA law rewritten so it is stiffer on fighting piracy and the US Government says hell no not worth are time

    US Government will realize they screwed up there case against Megaupload and drops the case but says Megaupload is dead for good and deletes all the files

    Anonymous Exposes the copy right trolls MPAA & RIAA

  • Fuck

    2013 WILL BE THE YEAR OF “DEATH TO THE INTERNETZ” HAHAHAHAAH FUCK YOU

  • guest999

    TPP= Toilet paper proposal. There fixed that. Because it’s not worth much more than wiping your backside with.

  • SoundnuoS

    Copyright is not a monopoly, this is a fundamental (or deliberate) misunderstanding.

    Copyright is the only thing that enables anyone doing creative work any kind of leverage in negotiating compensation for their work against exploitation by corporations (like the Pirate Bay).

    If copyright would function in the manner of a monopoly that would mean that someone would hold all the rights to making music and publishing, i.e. we would have only one artist existing in the world.

    This isn’t the case however, anyone is free to make music. What isn’t allowed however is the exploitation of that work without compensation and consent by corporations (like the Pirate Bay).

    Free access to music, movies, software and other creative works that someone has created in order to make a living is NOT a civil right.

    Expressing your thougths unhindered in a thread like this as well as making music, movies and software of your own is however. Big difference here.

    • MadAsASnake

      Correct, Music and Movie industries operate as a cartel. Same result. Cartels are generally banned because they are damaging to the economy.

      • SoundnuoS

        Anyone is free to start an indie label and set whatever prices they wish.

        Many artists also sell their music direct, I doubt they hold many industrywide meetings deciding what prices to set.

        Given the existance of the internet, there is no such thing as exclusive control of distribution anymore.

        Prices are generally established based on demand. Prices are currently in a downtrend because they are competing with free and genuine demand-based pricing is impossible to establish in that environment.

        All in all, this negates any argument for cartel forming.

        • MadAsASnake

          While this is true for music, it is not true for movies – the investment in dollars and expertise is an effective barrier to newcomers..

          The Cartel already exists, and through it’s mouthpeices (like MPAA and RIAA) are quite happy to indulge in many abuses. The Internet is indeed a fabulous distribution channel – and just look how hard the MPAA and RIAA particularly are trying to disrupt it. We have:
          - intrusive and anti-competitive laws being penned by these orgs in private and bribed through back doors.
          - extrajudicial takeouts of any business that tries to enter the market
          - huge abuses of DMCA takedowns removing what is often legitimate content (RIAA is particularly active here)
          - attempts to censor websites that the media industries do not like.

          So if we look at the channels an indie has we have:
          - torrenting. The most popular site for this was probably TBP. Now, MAFFIA liars have convinced a lot of courts that TBP hosts infringing material almost exclusively. It does not host the material and much of it is NOT infringing. Note that it is the legit users that are most likely to be put off by the blocks.
          - OK, what about using a filelocker? Well, we saw what happened to MegaUpload and the consequences on filelockers in general. A lot of Indie’s saw there distribution setups smashed up with the totally illegal extrajudicial takedown. US have pretty much already lost that case, Mega is starting up again, but there has been a lot of damage.
          - another option is YouTube. That gets DCMA’d to hell and back. Pretty much a lottery as to how long things will stay up…
          - or you could run your own website. Getting these noticed isn’t easy, of course.

          In terms of supply and demand, prices are not coming down. A night at the cinema costs more than ever. Most “legitimate” sources want as much for a heavily restricted drm infested copy with almost no rights as they want for a hard copy. Why? With music, people have copied relentlessly for years. Remember cassette tape? The prices have always been too high. With the internet, it is just a little more visible.

          The cartel is already deeply embedded and is doing a lot of damage to the Internet ecosystem. That cartel needs to be dismantled.

        • SoundnuoS

          (This forum is sadly unsuitable for serious debate, after four layers the reply button disappears and you have to start replying to the wrong post. Fix is needed.)

          >While this is true for music, it is not true for movies – the investment in dollars and expertise is an effective barrier to newcomers..

          In theory it’s quite possible to make a movie on your own. Cheap video editing software and digital cameras are available. The results might be what they are, but it is possible.

          Independent movies that make it to theatrical distribution are also being made all the time, so it would seem you’re incorrect on this point.

          You’re argument also supports the existing major studio system. If they put in all that investment in dollars and expertise, why shouldn’t they be allowed to profit from it?

          Nothing in your argument supports the existance of cartels.

          Looking at the top 100 on the pirate bay doesn’t really support the argument that it is of much use for non-infringing content.
          In itself this is also a non-argument since non-infringing content will always be possible to distribute no matter what.

          Channels for indie musicians are numerous these days, including Youtube. Why would anyone DMCA something put up by an independent musician?. DMCA:s are for infringing content.

          In terms of demand the prices are too low. Currently Spotify is priced at 9.99 / month for a large part of recorded music’s past and present.
          The problem is that there doesn’t seem to be that many taker’s even at that ultimate bargain price.
          The reason being that the supply side is overwhelmed by unauthorised free distribution and a realistic demand-based pricing is impossible to establish.

        • MadAsASnake

          @SoundnuoS

          - The Cartel is current fact. I agree that is is not necessary.
          - Yes you can shoot movies on the cheap. If you want to create a slick high quality product, though, and show it through cinemas and so on, that is a substantial undertaking
          - I am not arguing against the major studios, just against the crimes they commit in the name of copyright.
          - TPB is just an index, no more, no less. I don’t think it possible properly determine the status of all referenced media, whether it is what it says it is, whether it infringes copyright and so on. The top 100 is a symptom of the dysfunction in the media market, not the cause of it.
          - The ability to make something available does not mean someone can find it. This is what Google, TPB and other indexing sites do. They should not have to evaluate the finer points of copyright to do so.
          - And yet indie content is constantly DMCA’d. Look at the Mega Song. Google reckons 30%+ of all takedowns are illegitimate – I agree, DMCA takedowns are not for this – so why such a high percentage?
          - Spotify is far from perfect. I for one would expect high quality music – Digital Radio and Spotify are both way too low res.
          - so how about actually answering some of my questions?

        • SoundnuoS

          @ MadAsASnake below

          I think most of my points can be made in the answers above, so we can move the whole discussion there.

          I’m not sure what you’re meaning by the cartel being a fact, so if you could link some info or otherwise clarify exactly what you mean that would be great.

          About TPB being an index, see answer above. I lean towards being of the opinion that indexes, especially ones where most of the indexing is infringing stuff, should have some responsibility.

          I just looked at the Mega song. Terrible song, but it’s there?

          The history (and present) of recorded music in high-res for only 9.99 / month? Prices really would have gone down….

        • MadAsASnake

          @SoundnuoS

          Cartel behaviour? just look at the pricing. Simple. Look at the industry structure. They are all MPAA / RIAA members. Look at what those two do in their name.

          Why should an indexing site have responsibility for working out who has copyright on what and what distribution rights exist? Hell, even the studios can’t figure most of that out. What reasonable thing could an indexer do?

          The Mega song is available now. It’s quality is not the question. It was part of a promotion by KDC that was taken down from YouTube by Universal in a backdoor manner that was unwarranted and frankly should be illegal. How can you not know about this?

          My point was that real hi-fi quality digital is not a part of our daily lives. Why not? The technology is there, but if I want nice sounds I put Vinyl on my LP12… Wouldn’t the RIAA be serving its members better by coming up with real hi-def digital standards than ruining the lives of the occasional “pirate”?

          The part that you miss is that if you want to make money from putting creative works in the public domain, it is up to you to work out how to monetise it. That is not my responsibility, and my rights are not curtailed because you find that too hard.

        • SoundnuoS

          The pricing is (was) a natural effect of everyone noticing what the market will pay based on demand. Basic praxis in any business.

          MPAA and RIAA are just doing the only things they can within the confines of the law in order to protect their members.
          If the law wouldn’t be structured so that any attempt to protect the rights holders has to be a civil suit they wouldn’t have to do it.

          And no one is trying to make money from putting creative works into the public domain. It’s the other way around, works NOT in the public domain are being taken for free.

          IMO works have to exist for a long time in the public conscience in order to motivate claiming them as part of the public domain.

        • SoundnuoS

          @MadAsASnake two below

          And free access to copyrighted music, movies, books and software is NOT a civil right, although I would be interested to hear your motivation for claiming so.

        • MadAsASnake

          @SoundnuoS

          I have never claimed it as a right to be able to downloaded anything. It is a fact, however, that I can.

        • SoundnuoS

          @ MadAsASnake

          Then please do

        • SoundnuoS

          @MadAsASnake two below

          Perhaps I misunderstood your statement and you’re just saying that it’s a fact that you’re able to download anything.
          In which case that of course is the obvious problem I’m pointing out which has to be changed.

        • MadAsASnake

          @SoundnuoS

          Why? How? It’s all very well saying these things should be stopped… Writing new invasive laws won’t stop it – as you have probably noticed, it tends to have the opposite result

        • SoundnuoS

          Why? Because there is no justification for it.

          How? Hopefully through pointing the above fact out, but if absolutely necessary through laws, whose invasiveness are greatly exaggerated.

        • MadAsASnake

          Way too invasive. You would have to spy on everyone. This is unacceptable. It is my belief that this sort of intrusion should be mandated only by court order and only upon reasonable suspicion of a serious crime. Piracy will never get there, way too trivial, and you cannot even get a reasonable suspicion. Short of a grand scale surveillance, you can’t stop it.

          Laws cannot stop piracy, doesn’t matter how many you write – they will be unenforceable. This is a really important point. That you don’t like it or think it moral is irrelevant. Look at the DEA – at best it will be as good (ha ha) as HADOPI. Piracy is not killing your business. If you are genuinely an indie artist, then the benefit you will gain from market exposure will far exceed that mythical lost sale. No one will pay for your work if they never hear it, and no one will pay if its not very good. If you aren’t making money, then either your business model is faulty, or your product is not good enough.

        • SoundnuoS

          Points answered in the post in the thread above^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      “Copyright is not a monopoly, this is a fundamental (or deliberate) misunderstanding.”

      Copyright is actually far far worse than just a monopoly. In essence, copyright means a third party gets the right to say what I can and can not shape my own property as. In multiple millions of ways. In essence, copyright is Information Control. That it is practiced by private parties instead of a state doesn’t make it less harmful than the more obvious type of communism practised by totalitarian regimes.

      Copyright abolishes the very concept of material property by it’s very existence. Which is why it is, at best, the least harmful of two evils. The other evil by any economist always being commercialized exploitation.

      “Copyright is the only thing that enables anyone doing creative work any kind of leverage in negotiating compensation for their work…”

      You mean Mozart, Beethoven, Bach, Trent Reznor, Rebecca Black and Paulo Coelho – to name a few – never made a living of their art.

      “Free access to music, movies, software and other creative works that someone has created in order to make a living is NOT a civil right.”

      Actually, it is.

      Article 27, UN human rights declaration, clause 2.
      Clause 1 pertains that the creator has the moral and commercial rights. To be quoted as origin and to gain a cut of every sale. Nothing more.

      So…you are wrong in EVERY postulate you have framed except in your penultimate sentence – “Expressing your thougths unhindered in a thread like this as well as making music, movies and software of your own is however.”

      • SoundnuoS

        Check out the point I made above about immaterial products needing a different thought process then material ones. We are specifically NOT talking about material property here.

        When buying a record (or not buying, which automatically gives you no rights at all) you’re not buying the rights to the content.

        The amount you’re paying for an album is nowhere even near to covering the cost of production, so to expect having rights to distribute it for only 9.99 is unreasonable.

        The people you’re mentioning (exept historical persons relying on patronage) have all made what living they have made on creative works because of copyright.

        It gives them the leverage to negotiate compensation for anyone wanting to use their works.
        Think Youtube would pay Rebecca Black anything if they didn’t have to?
        Copyright in action.

        I’m interested as how you motivate article 27 as being support for filesharing?

        Clause 1: Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.

        Thats freely as in unhindered, not as in “for free”, without paying.

        To further clarify:

        Clause 2: Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.

        This means the authors right to compensation supersedes you right to take part, when payment is asked for.
        You are still freely allowed to take part, if you are willing to pay.

        Without that interpretation clause 2 becomes totally pointless.

      • SoundnuoS

        To add to the post below: a quick point about commercialized exploitation.

        You mean like the exploitation of creative people being done by torrent sites worldwide?

      • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

        “You mean Mozart, Beethoven, Bach, Trent Reznor, Rebecca Black and Paulo Coelho – to name a few – never made a living of their art.”

        to be fair, Reznor doesn’t belong in that list. He made a name for himself using Copyright before giving things away for free. But then, the information superhighway also didn’t exist during Pretty Hate Machine, and I’m pretty sure it was him leaving usb sticks filled with “leaked content” in the bathrooms at his concerts. No big respect for copyright there.

        Still, his is a different situation than the others above, there.

  • SoundnuoS

    A lot of the arguments for free downloading here seems to be based on a misunderstanding on what the product a musician, for instance, actually is offering for sale.

    It is not a cd, vinyl or a file. If that would be the actual product then a blank cd would be worth as much as a musical cd.
    These are simply media and the value of the medium is practically nothing compared to the message on it.

    The product the musician is offering are soundwaves stored for the future on one of the existing media and the experience you get when those soundwaves hit your eardrums.

    This is fundamentally an immaterial product and the thought process on how the maker is compensated isn’t as intuititive as when your dealing with physical products.

    That’s why we have copyright.

    • MadAsASnake

      I think you will find that most posters here do understand the distinction. Books, recorded sounds and recorded images all started out by solving the technical problems of writing and reading. In the digital age, these are so trivial and taken for granted it is easy to forget how far we have come. Copyright grew up around the physical media that is needed to maintain it. The rights to a book reside with the owner of that book, and this includes the freedom to lend it to ANYONE he chooses. Same with vinyl records, CD’s, DVD’s – we can loan them, sell them and so on. Copying and copyright was generally limited to commercial infringement, because copying a book was generally too expensive to do. For music and video, it was too lossy. The digital revolution has largely removed all barriers to copying, it is literally free.

      Copyright law was written around the nature of physical media. It is not a good fit with the digital age, and as is, should be replaced by just laws that are. Copyright is not there to gaurantee creators an income – just to give the creator sufficient incentive and opportunity to make it worthwhile creating in the first place. So please tell me what this 70 years after death is about? Why for instance should Tolkien still be under copyright? Nothing at all now can possibly encourage him to write more…

      • SoundnuoS

        You may do as you wish with a book you’ve bought, but you have no rights to the content of that book. You’re not allowed to duplicate it and sell it on or even give away the duplicates for that matter.

        A digital file has no physical aspect, it is pure content. What you’re giving away / copying for free is the message itself, what the musician has put out there to make a living.

        You’re not creating something new in the process. The message, that which gives it any value has already been created by someone else.
        The only thing being done is removing the chance for the creator to benefit from his creation.

        Copyright was created because it was realised that the physicality, the medium of an immaterial product is practically worthless and it’s value lies in the content.

        That’s why it’s perfectly suited and relevant for a digital world.

        • MadAsASnake

          Could you explain how 70 years after death has anything AT ALL to do with compensating the creator? It’s bribed in and illegitimate. I see no reason to honour it… As the piracy phenomenon shows, current copyright law is utterly ineffectual in a digital world.

          Now, when I lend a book, a CD, a DVD, it is exactly the content that I am lending. Are you stupid enough to suggest I should loan a blank book? I have the right to do it with a book, CD, DVD, so why not with a file, and this could also remove those self same chances you had for a sale – as you say, the only difference is the medium. The real answer here is that such sharing promotes good creators, and is then in their interest to create more, rather than simply rent seek on the back catalog.

          Now, are you suggesting that the law should prohibit the sharing of a book, a CD, a Movie? You know, some clown already has the idea of using Kinect to headcount people watching TV… Just how much control do you think the creator should have after putting a work in the public domain? How many basic liberties do you think society should give up for that trivial aim?

          If you want to run a public domain business, YOU need to work out a way to monetise it. Look at Facebook. Despite a huge user base, they struggle to get money out of it… they get, and should not get, no government mandated income – why should they? Why should you? I don’t.

        • SoundnuoS

          (Replying to MadAsASnake below)

          Your reply indicates that you skimmed over the part about duplicating and giving away a book and also that you haven’t understood the point about immaterial products needing a different thought process from material ones.

          Copyright law is ineffectual only because a lack of enforcement, not because it is irrelevant.

          The file is not being loaned, it is being duplicated and distributed.

          And the tragic fact is that such sharing does not help good creators survive in any way as demonstrated by the continued downtrend in revenue from music and the amount of people making a living from it diminishing.

        • MadAsASnake

          @SoundnuoS

          No I didn’t skim it. I suspected you might have a point and be prepared to defend it. Pity.

          Can you propose a just and fair method of enforcement? Rather than the extortion schemes that are so commonly blighting the landscape? What could you POSSIBLY do to stop me sharing a book with my partner? Why should you be able to? It is not that enforcement is lacking, it is that enforcement, as you call it, breaches my right to privacy, and my right to share MY stuff.

          As is a CD and DVD. A player copies it to an output device (stereo, TV etc). If you can do that, you can copy it. Simple. If I want to play a movie on a phone or tablet, I can’t use a DVD, I format shift and copy to that device, why should I not, I paid for it, after all…

          SO we agree then, that digital media operates in a different manner to analog, and that copyright rules should be changed to acknowledge that fact.

        • SoundnuoS

          @ MadAsASnake below

          For strictly personal use I agree that copying should be permitted. It actually is in places (fair use), depends on where you live.

          Loaning should also be ok, keeping in mind that theres one major difference between loaning and filesharing though. When loaning there’s always only one copy in rotation. You lose access to it while it’s loaned.

          Filesharing moves into the realm of copying and distribution on a global scale and is IMO at a point where no one can make a reasonable claim on fair use.
          A customer’s rights cease at the point where they stop paying.

          I don’t think my opinion on what just and fair methods of enforcement are will be very popular. I’m leaning towards considering “piracy” so entrenched atm that copyright laws need to be modified (where they aren’t already) to cover sites like the pirate bay.
          Keeping in mind that these are actually businesses working on a for profit basis there’s no reason why they should be exempt from compensating creators.

          In a worst case basis if the trend can’t be changed copyright infringment will probably have to be moved from being a civil offence as it is now into being a criminal offence, like shoplifting.

          IMO anyone’s right to privacy is severely lessened in cases where that negatively affects other peoples right to try and make a living.

        • MadAsASnake

          @SoundnuoS

          Please tell me – exactly what law you would propose to outlaw the pirate bay? Bear in mind that you’ll take out Google and every other search engine as well.

          No, my right to privacy may not be squandered on something as trivial as your inability to make a buck doing what you want to do. Nothing stopping you flipping burgers.

          I think your disjointed ramble shows exactly what I was saying, current copyright law is not compatible with a digital media world. There are so many possibilities opening with digital, and all you can think of is ways to constrain it to what came before. Stupid.

          Interesting how many of my questions you ignored…

        • SoundnuoS

          @ MadAsASnake below

          Not quite sure which of your questions you think I ignored apart from the one on copyright term, a question that is a discussion in itself and should be debated in a separate thread.

          Concerning the law in question. Just append copyright law to make distributing torrents of infringing material illegal and require Google to delist sites shown to be primarily about copyright infringment.

          I guess your opinion on your right to privacy no matter what laws you might be breaking is one part where we’ll have to disagree. I don’t think it’s justifiable.

          My “disjointed” ramble has actually done a pretty good job at illustrating the validity of copyright in a digital world as you unfortunately haven’t formulated a coherent argument against it.

        • SoundnuoS

          @MadAsASnake two below

          Considering your point about possibilities opening with digital, this is very true.

          With the internet small and medium sized artists would have an unprecedented possibility to make it on an indie basis. The problem is that these same possibilities are being destroyed by the fact that if they release anything it will be globally available for free the day after.

          These are the same people who will need every dime they can get from every possible source in order to make a living. Indies and small timers are the ones who are hardest hit from any pirating of their works.
          Contrary to popular belief, you are not necessarily rich just because people see you in a video.

        • MadAsASnake

          @SoundnuoS

          You make the mistake of beleiving that, just because the Internet will make things freely available, that no-one will pay. iTunes does just fine, Netflix does just fine. Now, as I said, if you can’t figure out how to monetize your product, that is entirely your problem. If you are paranoid that piracy will destroy your business, again your problem, and no points for simply blaming others. I suspect you are lacking either:
          - a sensible business model
          - a viable product
          … again, your problem. As I said, nothing stopping you from flipping burgers.

        • SoundnuoS

          No, I do believe some will pay. The fact is however that a lot fewer are paying than before and this makes building a sustained career in creative businesses (always hard) way harder than it has to be.

          The implications this has for, for instance, the chances of a good but non-mainstream band being able to keep it together long enough to make that brilliant third album before they pack it up and go flip burgers are serious.

          The problem isn’t a lack of available business models, the problem is that every one of them has to compete with free availability.

          Given that there actually are no moral justifications for pirating material some one has put out there in order to make a living, makes opposing it pretty easy.

        • MadAsASnake

          Than before what? Piracy has been around as long as media on the Internet. Perhaps you are suffering from the economic slowdown caused by the banks. People have less money to spend and discretionary spending goes first.

          The answer to piracy is not laws and oppression. It’s competing with the piracy model. Cheap, accessible, universal. That’s not a solution you can offer – but the big players can… Look at the businesses looking to do that and the way MAFIAA have gone after them… open your eyes. Big business is the problem, not piracy.

        • SoundnuoS

          As to competing with the pirate model: Cheap, accessible and universal is already here. Spotify, Itunes, good knows how many others.
          The problem is there aren’t that many takers and they are growing fewer every day, because competing with free is an impossibility.

          A secondary problem is that, since the competition is free it, legal services have to offer the product at prices that are too low to actually pay out very much to the artists, the people who are putting the stuff we want out there.
          We’ve all heard about Spotify’s and Pandora’s compensation model by now.

          The true value of the product can’t be established because it’s always being offered for free somewhere.

          Piracy also removes the leverage artists have in negotiating compensation with legal services, since the alternative is to have it taken for free anyway.
          We’ve all heard about Spotify’s and Pandora’s compensation model by now.

          Concerning Big Business: look at the ads on the right. I’m getting something about a forest park and Bill Clinton in Africa.

          The thing to remember is that Torrentfreak as well as the Pirate Bay and other torrent sites aren’t some fuzzy “let’s all hold hands and share” groups.
          They are in it for the money, pure and simple. They are big business as much as anyone else, the difference being that they aren’t actually contributing anything whatsoever to artists’ survival, only taking away.

          This is why they should be the first target for any consumer boycott and legal action. If that doesn’t help, then changing the laws on what individuals can and can’t do on the net has to be considered.

          This will need some technological solution enabling enforcement without being overly intrusive and strictly limited to whatever methods are currently popular for file sharing. That should limit the intrusion on anyone’s privacy to acceptable levels.

          About privacy: It seems most people don’t care that much. You’re never anonymous on the net unless you bother using anonymisers etc. Most don’t bother. Many of us use Facebook and Gmail and in doing that we’ve already signed away more privacy than any piracy enforcement method could intrude on.

          I’d actually feel better about (caveat: demcratically elected) governments checking what I’m filesharing instead of having multinational corporations doing it.

        • SoundnuoS

          http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-music-industry-sales-2011-2

          I can’t post pictures here, but the link is to a chart showing global music turnover. It stops in 2009 but as far as I know numbers have only gone down each year since then.

          It shows a clear peak in 1999 / 2000 right around the introduction of Napster. Since then it’s dropped roughly 50%. This is for all formats, digital included. That’s a lot for an industry that still produces a popular product.

          Most of this drop had taken place by 2008 when US unemployment really started going up. This means that the recession really hasn’t had much of an effect. There has to be some other explanation and piracy really is the most logical one.

          This isn’t about me, but about the possibilities for musicians in general to make a living and keep creating art.

          It’s often thrown around that touring and merchandise would be some kind of solution but these have always been a part of what musicians have sold, with music being the main product.
          Now if the music part of the equation is being removed it will make it harder for the smaller, often more interesting bands, that needed everything they can get.

          Touring costs a lot money and, especially in cases where you might have a smaller fan base spread over a wide area, can become a pure loss.

          Merchandise. I don’t know, I’ve never bought any merch since I was twelve and then it was something like three Kiss-buttons.
          When I’m interested in a band then I’m interested in the music, not fashion accessories. I have a feeling this can’t be a viable replacement.

          Continued below

        • MadAsASnake

          I’m signing off from this discussion. I understand your points, but there are a couple of things you don’t seem to get (and they are the ones I care about)
          1. My privacy will not be blythely pushed aside because of your business interest. I have not pirated your stuff and have no interest in doing so. It is not my problem.
          2. Any technical measure you can take to track those that *may* have pirated your stuff will violate 1. and will do so for the vast majority of the population. (you are about to piss of a potential fan, of course) You might know something about music, but you clearly know nothing about computing.
          3. Have a look at HADOPI, and consider why it is failing. I mean it is failing TOTALLY, and expensive to boot. Have a look at the DEA – same problems. One element of the DEA is that they have to find reasonably technical measures to prevent piracy. They can’t. It has already been shown in a court of law that even a competent network technician cannot do this using typical home networking gear. The logs and traces do not exist.
          4. And no, the whole planet is not going to install spyware just because of piracy. Why should I pay for that shit. The bigger problem is that it will undoubtedly be abused. This cannot be allowed to happen.

          I’m not commenting here on whether piracy is good or bad. It is a fact, and one that will not go away. Legislation won’t help. You could legislate for pink elephants as well, you won’t get any.

        • SoundnuoS

          @MadAsASnake

          Thanks for taking the time to talk. I understand your concern for privacy and share it to a point, but disagree slightly about how far it can be defended.

          Conserning HADOPI i found this bit of research: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1989240

          which seems to show that HADOPI might not be such a bad idea.

          French sales are up over 20% compared to the control group since the introduction of HADOPI.
          This is for digital sales from Itunes only, so it’s quite possible total sales for all formats are up even more.

          29 pages long but it could be interesting reading for anyone interested in the subject.

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