Court Sentences Web Designer For Creating Infringing Torrent Site

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In a case lasting more than three years, a web designer who admitted that he had been contracted to work on the now-defunct StudentBay torrent site was cleared after the court found there was no evidence to suggest he had actually run the site. But in a turnaround the Court of Appeal ruled yesterday that the designer must’ve known the site would be put to infringing use and found him guilty of copyright infringement offenses.

After its launch in 2008, the StudentBay e-learning torrent site quickly became associated with The Pirate Bay due to its familiar logo, Swedish roots and other alleged links to the site.

StudentBay began with a promise to bring free textbooks to students all over Sweden but before the end of the year the Swedish Association for Educational Writers (SLFF) had reported the site to the police.

SLFF insisted that Gottfrid Svartholm was directly connected to the site, but in reality the only connection was through PRQ, a web host previously owned by the Pirate Bay co-founder.

By May 2009 Student Bay was no more and last December, more than 3 years after the original complaint, prosecutor Frederick Ingblad announced that a 23-year-old man had been prosecuted for founding and running the site.

But although charged with violating and assisting in breaches of copyright law, and receiving payments from site users, in April this year he was cleared by the Södertörn District Court.

The defendant, a web-designer, admitted that he was contracted to work on the site but denied running it. The District Court agreed that there was no evidence to suggest that he had, and acquitted him.

But the prosecution weren’t satisfied and the Court of Appeal has been hearing the case.

The man told the Court that in 2008 he had been asked by one of his customers to help design a website. By way of payment he would receive a commission based on how busy the site became. During 2008 and 2009 that amount reached a total of around 52,000 kronor ($7930).

He added that since he was just a web designer with no control over user actions or any content being shared, he didn’t feel that he could be held liable. While the District Court shared that reasoning, the Court of Appeal did not.

Yesterday the now 24-year-old was convicted for assisting in copyright infringement and aiding attempted violations of copyright law. The Court ruled that despite only being a designer, he must’ve known that the true purpose of StudentBay was to infringe the copyrights of the book companies.

The man received probation and was ordered to complete 75 hours unpaid work. He must also pay 42,000 kronor ($6405) in damages. The money he made from the site was confiscated.

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Sashflrd

I just wanted to be the first to congratulate the court and judge;
Congrats, you now officially hold the Stupidest Fuck of a Judge and Court Record.
Best regards: The World

Everyone else, please stop using your brains to create stuff, the court and judge ain’t gonna like that LMAO

The guy should definitely go to the European court of human rights, people there usually have common sense.
- http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
  
  The court has to go by the law and the sentence is very clear. Your criticism should be concentrated on how the law is defined.
  - Guest
    
    No, either the Södertörn District Court or the Court of Appeal failed to follow the law. Since the Court of Appeal has stretched logic beyond the breaking point, I’d say it’s them.
    - http://twitter.com/JuliaMolly2 JuliaMolly
      
      as Fred answered I am surprised that a person able to profit $7639 in one month on the network.
    - http://twitter.com/JuliaMolly2 JuliaMolly
      
      …..goo.gl/Du7QC (Click on Home)
    - joexxx
      
      What logic?
  - http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
    
    Assisting in copyright infringement is pretty vague. A charge like that could be held to every service provider, Tim Berners-Lee and John Gilmore. Shit, Al Gore could eb charged with assisting in copyright infringement.
    
    Watch out, Nejtillpirater: by engaging in debate on the TorrentFreak message boards you’re incensing the posters and could be seen as encouraging them to pirate, by trolling the message boards. When they pirate adter you’ve trolled them, telling them how wrong it is, you’re passively encouraging copyright infringement. You could go to jail.
    - http://ax11.myopenid.com/ cosmodrome
      
      You could go to jail.
      He couldn’t. He’d never find the door…
    - Guest
      
      He wont like this.
      It will soon be legal to backup your own products in the UK.
      
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-20802043
      
      Does this mean we can now ask for DRM and locks to be removed to make it technically easier to accomplish. Hope so, ‘cos once they’re removed my 3 year old will be able to swap his Disney discs in 15 minutes flat.
      
      Feel the love. :-)
    - Dawin45
      
      it means:”if you kill a person with a gun,the gun maker is liable for the crimes of the gun user”
    - Jonathon Luken
      
      wait at that point wouldnt the mpaa riaa and there ilk be convicted in the same because they are putting up barriers to stop people from buying content.
    - Nejtillpirater
      
      Yes, Nejtillpirater shall be arrested and charged in assisting in murder by enraging some people against the entertainment industry and anti-piracy organization executives.
    - http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
      
      Not sure I understand all you guys’ references to violence. What that has to do with file sharing is beyond me. Seems a bit inciteful, to be honest.
    - joexxx
      
      It could be held to a content owner themselves.
  - Ardvaark
    
    So by following the law like the judge did, you can say that someone who makes, for instance, a media player should also be prosecuted, since the program can be used to play copyrighted music?
    
    Or maybe take it a step further(why not?), should the person who created the router (or in this case the companies) be also prosecuted since it can be used to transmit copyrighted data?
    
    They clearly didn’t intend to do so but screw that right?, just as the web-dev who simply was paid to develop a site. After the site was done that was it and he had no further involvement in it but who cares with such details right? There’s lives to be destroyed after all…
    
    I suggest you read the law again because it indeed is clear, and in no way it says that someone should be prosecuted by the uses a 3rd party has for something you created.
    - Nejtillpiraters_mom
      
      “I suggest you read the law again”
      
      My son can’t read laws. They are too complicated for him. Instead, he just assumes what they say to tease his friends.
      
      Maybe someday, though! Look at how nicely he types already.
  - icec0ld
    
    The “law” has clearly over stepped it’s bounds and is currently reaching into the realm of fantasy “willful infringement”.
    - ProGrasTiNation
      
      All laws have over stepped their bounds,they now exist to enslave man with the help of the money makers of the world.
    - joexxx
      
      “its”, not “it’s”
      Back to grammar school.
  - Sashflrd
    
    Designing a website and getting payed for services provided is NOT illegal.
    
    Quit making stuff up, what are you 12?
  - http://profile.typepad.com/6p0120a5509de8970c ???
    
    Bullshit!
  - Jatillpirater
    
    The law doesn’t say that he’s responsible for the future actions of other people which he has know way of predicting. You’re just making shit up again Nej.
    - Nejtillpirater
      
      Nejtillpirater changing is name for Jatillpirater and voting for himself 6 times.
      
      CALL THE PSYCHIATRIST!
  - dqdfx
    
    except not, because this implies he’s responsible for things he is not responsible for.
  - Boris Borcic
    
    The next step is to prosecute original content creators: they can’t ignore nowadays that the content they produce will be pirated, which means they consciously help piracy take place by making new content.
  - Lord of the Files
    
    I can’t see how this ruling will stand up to scrutiny. It’s based on an assumption, not hard evidence. The problem with an assumption is that it is entirely subjective. One could just as easily assume the opposite. Without indisputable evidence, neither can ever be valid. An when your left with nothing but doubt? You have rule not guilty. That’s not the same as saying one is innocent though.
    
    Pirating for profit is wrong IMHO. If that is what has happened here, then the pirate(s) deserves what they get. Non-profit sharing is another matter though, for which punishment should be severely limited (if any at all). Copyright law needs to be reformed for a variety of reasons, the distinction between for profit and non-profit being one of them. To accurately reflect societies views on file sharing in the 21st century being another.
    - PenzancePeer
      
      ”Pirating for profit is wrong IMHO” Quite so, although many here are unable to see that distinction.
    - Nejtillpirater
      
      Nejtillpirater now changing is name for PenzancePeer.
  - The Asshole.
    
    Fuck you, motherfucker! FUCK YOU!!!
  - Nejtillpirater
    
    This is not our law
    
    This is:
    Kill this stupid judge, kill the member of the Swedish government who let this crap happen, kill the entertainment industry executives and kill all the fucking trolls who work for these corporate criminals and fascists.
    
    This is the only sensible response at this point.
    - 7th_Guest
      
      Cool your tits there, Bloodbeard, your impromptu keyboard jihad there is making the (sane) rest of us look just as sociopathic simply by posting in the same article without first adding big, flashing disclaimers like this :/. Calm the fuck down and think how your words will sound to non-Pirates perusing this section.
  - Mr. Conehead
    
    Oh sh*t, this troll again!
  - Andrew Lee
    
    Well then they need to rewrite the law that allowed something this moronic to happen.
    
    Sashflrd is correct.
  - joexxx
    
    Nowehere in the law does it say that coding is illegal.
    If there is, prove it.
- For Justice and Democracy
  
  > “Everyone else, please stop using your brains to create stuff, the court and judge ain’t gonna like that LMAO”
  
  So if I use my brains to create a fraudulent scam to extract money from people, you think it should be legal because I used my brains to create something? Or if I use my skills to create fake money? It’s not so that you can do whatever you like if you are creating something. Rules and laws must be followed.
  
  “The guy should definitely go to the European court of human rights, people there usually have common sense.”
  
  What then? The euro-court is a joke, it has no power to change the law. It’s a waste of taxpayer’s money. And who takes EU seriously anyway these days? How can an institution that pisses on national sovereignty and local democracy of millions have any claim to say what are the human rights?? The United States of the Soviet Europe is a farce in human rights, a stereotypical fascist bureaucracy, too familiar from the fallen Socialist experiments around the World..
  - BuddhaFacePalmed
    
    I’m not sure whether you’re trolling or not, so I’m covering both sides.
    
    Side A (You’re a pro-copyright)
    Creating a website that is later used for copyright infringement does not make you guilty of copyright infringement. Just like how gunsmiths are not held liable of aiding and abetting murder whenever a sick 20 year old guns down people in the heart of a community.
    
    Side B (You’re anti-copyright)
    Still, the European Union is one of the largest political powers and have the largest economy in the world. So, if people can held liable for copyright infringement simply because they design something, a shitstorm is brewing, and when it hits the ceiling fan, it ain’t gonna be pretty.
  - Sashflrd
    
    Easy answer: you have NO brains if this is what you got from what I posted.
    So you can’t possibly create anything.
    
    Problem solved, happy to help and you’re very welcome!
    
    Again: mafiaa should really consider hiring someone with actual skills, geez.
  - Nejtillpirater
    
    Nejtillpirater next changing is name for “For Justice and Democracy” and voting for himself again.
    
    DUDE! WHERE IS THIS FUCKING PSYCHIATRIST?
- Guest321
  
  I couldn’t agree more. The man is being punished for helping students all over the world gain access to expensive textbooks which would otherwise be out of reach of many of us. Who would have thought sharing knowledge is a crime? It seems humanity is sinking lower and lower thanks to these corrupt brainless judges.
- Hogspace
  
  No, it’s all very straightforward. We must all be free to share material, copyright or not…for FREE.
  As soon as you develop a profit motive, as the Web Designer did, you owe the copyright holders money.
  - Scary_Devil_Monastery
    
    So…every time someone manufactures and sells a car while pushing the “speed” and “power” of the vehicle, the salesman must be held liable if the car is used for speeding and/or as a getaway vehicle?
    
    The vendor of crowbars is guilty of abetting burglary if he sells a crowbar guaranteed to pry open anything?
    
    The manufacturer of a hunting knife, guilty of abetting murder because he sells a knife good at cutting through flesh and bone?
    
    Bad news for anyone selling anything if what you state is anywhere near true. I suspect it’s not.
    - Hogspace
      
      This conversation was only about digital files, you got that memo?
    - BuddhaFacePalmed
      
      @Hogspace
      
      So? Think about the fucking legal ramifications… If the prosecution becomes successful, there is now a fully legal precedent where you as a tool maker makes you an associate in a crime where your tools are used in crimes OTHER people commit.
      
      Psycho kills 12 people with Toyota Prius. Gets charge with vehicular manslaughter. Toyota can now be charge for aiding and abetting vehicular manslaughter.
      
      Teenager accidentally commits suicide while attempting auto-erotic asphyxiation. The company that sells Nylon Rope is now guilty of aiding a suicide.
      
      That’s the world this bullshit case is bringing us into if it wins
    - Purple Haze
      
      @BuddhaFacePalmed: That’s not a fair comparison. A fairer comparison would be someone contacting Toyota and asking whether they sell cars, then going down to a Toyota shop and detailing to the salesperson that he has an obsession for murder, and that he is going to use the new car just to run over innocent pedestrians and kill them.
      
      This is akin to the dealership the proceeding to sell him the car just for the profit, even if they very well knew it was going to be used to commit a crime (vehicular manslaughter).
      
      Hell, if the claims of financial involvement are true, even a more extreme comparison is warranted: the dealership giving discount on the car for the maniac, because they thought the plan to ram the vehicle to innocent pedestrians sounded so awesome.
  - Jatillpirater
    
    He had no involvement in the sharing of anything. He designed a website, that was his job. He got paid for his job. So yes, it’s all very straightforward. He only profited from his own work and does not owe copyright holders anything.
    - Hogspace
      
      Try a little bit harder. He took money for work he KNEW would be used to exchange copyright material without the owners permission.
      I’m happy for him to do the work but it’s gotta be pro bono.
      In Freetard world eveything except your internet connection has to be Free or Non Profit.
    - Nejtillpirater
      
      That was Nejtillpirater again. Don’t be fooled.
    - Nejtillpirater
      
      Remember that Jatillpirater, For Justice and Democracy and Jatillpirater are the same troll paid by antipiratebyran.
      
      Remember.
    - Roachdaddy
      
      He accepted future commission based on the turnover of the site,thus benefiting from any alleged piracy.
      He should have accepted a single payment for his services as a designer.
- Yourname
  
  Agreed, Basically he got boned big time For The act of creation.
- Guest
  
  Does this now mean that designing a field weapon will officially be recognised as a design knowingly conceived to kill people on a massive scale?
  
  Should be worth a $5 dollar fine I imagine.
- OneEyedWillie
  
  Not stupidest Fuck judge but paid off corrupt judge. When ever you look at a case and say how Fucking stupid is that then it is corruption.
- PelouzeTF
  
  “Everyone else, please stop using your brains to create stuff, the court and judge ain’t gonna like that LMAO”
  
  Courts are fine with people creating “stuff” lol and you wont here a word from anyone if you create original content/materials – making a site to line your own pockets because you’re a talentless scumbag, thats a different story.
  - SomeYahoo
    
    “making a site to line your own pockets because you’re a talentless scumbag, thats a different story.”
    
    yeah, the MAFIAA’s story, but they seem to be above the law
    - PelouzeTF
      
      Thanks for replying with illogical waffle.
  - Jimmy671
    
    How’s this for illogical waffle troll.FUCK YOU!
    - PelouzeTF
      
      hmm, its pretty much what I expected from you.
      
      Well done :)
- Guest
  
  Yea..
  ” convicted for assisting in copyright infringement ”
  
  Lets sue hollywood, they make movies, allowing us to copy said movies, they are the biggest enabler there is.
Dewey

There is no justice in Sweden, only corruption.
- thedude321
  
  That seems to be the predominant feel throughout the world right now. But, honestly, this has to be the stupidest thing that I’ve ever heard.
- Guest
  
  There is Justice in Sweden.
  Trouble is it is Justice meted out in a similar fashion to that conceived by Willy Wonka.
- The End.
  
  Don’t worry. In few decades there is no Sweden. Only proud muslims.
  - Nejtillpirater
    
    Ya! Bye bye old Swedish fucks! WE leave you the arabs!
    
    Enjoy the sharia law!
  - http://profile.typepad.com/6p0120a5509de8970c ???
    
    nope proud nonbelievers! (we are not giving away this country to a different religion)
http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

“The Court ruled that despite only being a designer, he must’ve known that the true purpose of StudentBay was to infringe the copyrights of the book companies.”

The court sentence shows that he was the only person receiving payments from the users of the site, indicating more involvement than he has admitted.

According to the court sentence, new evidence was also presented, found in the computer that was seized from Gottfrid Svartholm Warg.
- Guest
  
  Lying again, Nej?
  
  I can’t find anywhere that says he was the only person receiving payment, or that anything to do with this was found on a computer seized from Gottfrid.
  
  Neither can I find the text of the ruling. It doesn’t even seem to be public.
  
  Seems you’re full of shit. Or can you back up what you’re saying with evidence? I’m guessing you can’t.
  - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
    
    Have you actually read the sentence?
    
    https://www.wuala.com/up_5101/11-11573.Svea.hovrätt.studentbay.dom.pdf/?key=5101
    
    “inte minst det förhållandet att NN ensam har tillgodogjort sig all vinst på verksamheten”
    
    Google translate:
    
    “Not least the fact that NN alone has assimilated all the profit on operations”
    
    “Åklagaren har i hovrätten åberopat ny skriftlig bevisning i form av en promemoria avseende resultatet av en undersökning av en i beslag tagen dator tillhörande Gottfrid Svartholm Warg.”
    
    Google translate (ugly translation but the relevant parts are correct):
    
    “The prosecutor has the Court of Appeal relied on new written evidence in the form of a memorandum on the results of an investigation of a seized computer belonging Gottfrid Svartholm Warg”
    - Guest
      
      Yes, that’s nice. Now produce a working link se we can see what that pdf file actually is and what it says.
    - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
      
      @Guest
      
      “Now produce a working link se we can see what that pdf file actually is and what it says.”
      
      I’ve explained how to make a working link. The pdf file is then available using the download link.
      
      New try:
      
      http://goo.gl/z88mK
    - Guest
      
      Okay, finally.
      
      I don’t know what that paragraph about Gottfrid means and since you’re also using a machine translation, neither do you. It seems to have nothing to do with the text that comes before it or the text that comes after it. It’s never mentioned what this memorandum concerning the outcome of examining the seized computer said or what effect it had on the case. It just says that the prosecutor invoked it. How? For what purpose? It doesn’t say, at least as far as can be discerned from the machine translation.
      
      As for “not least the fact that NN alone has assimilated all the profit on operations”, that must be a shit translation because the ruling acknowledges several times elsewhere that he was just a web developer commissioned by the Student Bay’s owners. Are you suggesting the owners handed him all the site revenue, y’know, just ‘cuz?
    - Guest
      
      It just occurred to me that the “assimilated” line could mean that all the money he did make from his work on the Student Bay was paid to him using the revenue collected from the day-to-day operation of the site.
      
      That certainly makes more sense and wouldn’t contradict other sections of the ruling.
    - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
      
      “I don’t know what that paragraph about Gottfrid means and since you’re also using a machine translation, neither do you. ”
      
      I thought it was easy enough to understand, despite the machine translation. And I’m Swedish so of course I understand it.
      
      They found something in Gottfrid Svartholm Warg’s computer that was used as evidence in the Student Bay case. The court sentence doesn’t reveal exactly what it was.
    - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
      
      @Guest
      
      “It just occurred to me that the “assimilated” line could mean that all the money he did make from his work on the Student Bay was paid to him using the revenue collected from the day-to-day operation of the site.”
      
      To be able to download copies of copyrighted books from the site, the users had to either upload books or pay a membership fee of 20 SEK using SMS payment.
      
      He got 54 703 SEK on his MO-SMS account and MO-SMS kept about 6 SEK for each transaction. 54 703 / 14 = 3764 membership fees received from people wanting to download without uploading.
    - Johnnywhatshisname
      
      That is completely irrelevant. You are using a double standard. His profit motive was to design a website to specification. By your definition, any person who designs the software, say, to run an ISP should be guilty of copyright infringement. Because, as the court (and you) say, they “must have known” the internet connection (and the software that makes it work) would be used for infringement. The logic, if not consistent, is not, by definition, logic.
    - Facefuck
      
      nice lets use evidence found in completely unrelated materials and dont disclose what it exactly is. It just proves our points somehow and by that is a legitimate source to prove someones guilt… Yeah right Nej… go home Nej, you’re drunk!
    - Nejtillpirater
      
      Remember that Jatillpirater, For Justice and Democracy and Jatillpirater are the same troll paid by antipiratebyran.
      
      Remember.
    - Guest
      
      Never mine. Let’s kill all these asshole at the AntiPiratbyrån.
- http://profile.typepad.com/6p0120a5509de8970c ???
  
  so i can get sentenced to jail if the bank i choose to do business with brakes the law ?
- Nejtillpirater
  
  Remember that Jatillpirater, For Justice and Democracy and Jatillpirater are the same troll paid by antipiratebyran.
  
  Remember these are fake opinions.
Checkmate

Who make the servers that house StudentBay? They should be fined as well because they make the hardware capable of hosting StudentBay. Every piece of hardware inside the server that is.

We can start suing big corporation who make the guns for aiding countless massacre, crimes, terrorism, and etc… that involved with a gun.
- Whatever
  
  Not only fined, the money they made from selling the servers should also be confiscated.
  The building that housed the server, the company that delivered the server, the communications company, the power company… as well.
  
  They obviously know that their products can be used to break the law and did nothing to prevent it.
  
  An Orwelian system needs to be installed to prevent corporations from losing money to natural human nature. It cannot be tolerated anymore.
- http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
  
  down with Cisco! Their routers transmit copyrighted content, they’re assisting in copyright infringement!!
- mynameishare
  
  Weak analogy.
  The court says the guy designed a site that was obviously for copyright infringement.
  
  Hardware-makers, software-makers provide a generic product, they can’t be expected to know they’re making something that’ll mainly be used for piracy, and it isn’t.
  - cgimusic
    
    But this guy designed a website where you can upload and download files and that seems pretty generic to me. If you have to assume some of those files may be pirated then what about Microsoft? How can they distribute an operating system that they know may be utilized for piracy?
    - mynameishare
      
      I completely agree for generic web lockers and other service providers, including the ones that in practice are mostly used for piracy.
      
      Here he designed a website that even has “pirate” in the name. They try and figure out not only what he did but intent as well. The court concluded that he must have known the site’s purpose was mainly copying books without the authors’ permissions.
      
      For other providers and makers they don’t make this assumption
      
      The courts decide based on the law and the spirit of the law. You can make the point that facilitating infringement shouldn’t be a crime, currently you can be liable for that, I believe the basis here is mainly the intent. The judicial system doesn’t say what’s morally right or wrong, they interpret and apply the law.
      
      Similar cases like one against whoever made the hardware wouldn’t be judged the same because they really aren’t identical.
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      “Here he designed a website that even has “pirate” in the name.”
      
      The Student Bay.
      
      Please inform me where he could draw conclusions from that name which he wouldn’t logically have done for, say, “Piratförlaget”?
    - mynameishare
      
      Ha, shit, you’re right. :) Not that the name makes a real difference.
      
      It’s his intent, and that he made money from it probably made it worse.
    - cgimusic
      
      But all he did was make a generic file upload and download service. His intent was to provide the customer with the product they asked for. This ruling could seriously impact anyone who provides software. All CMS software could arguably be used for piracy and, by the arguments of this judge, it’s creators could be prosecuted.
  - Who
    
    “they can’t be expected to know they’re making something that’ll mainly be used for piracy, and it isn’t”
    
    Y not? they assumed the did.
  - Scary_Devil_Monastery
    
    Car manufacturers explicitly state their vehicles power and speed in most of their ads. and they know full well that one primary use to which the vehicle will be put is Speeding.
    
    The same holds true for any and all hardware tools.
    
    The only way this ruling can logically be upheld is if dual use is not found to be possible.
  - Nejtillpirater
    
    “The court says the guy designed a site that was obviously for copyright infringement.”
    
    YES! This make perfect sense. The site was equipped with a copyright infringement filter that was excluding all the non-infringing material!
    
    DAM! FUCKING FILTER!
    He let me download all these non-infringing material!
    
    DAM!
    
    Also the sky is purple with green dot in Sweden. Did you know that Nejtillpirater?
Guest

“aiding attempted violations of copyright law”?

Okay, then everyone from the telephone companies, to the electric utility companies, ISPs, and computer manufacturers are guilty if they’re going to take guilt by association that idiotically far.

And they wonder why pirates don’t give a shit about the courts or what they say…?
Anonymous

has anyone got a clue as to what the courts worldwide, but particularly in Sweden are doing? is there some additive in the water or what? how the hell can a person be found guilty of copyright infringement for just designing a website? what will be next? done for indecent exposure because you used a crapper? fucking unbelievable! if it isn’t obvious by now that the Swedish courts and government are completely under the influence of the USA government and entertainment industries, i dont know! out of curiosity, that bitch wadsted involved again, was she?
- http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
  
  “how the hell can a person be found guilty of copyright infringement for just designing a website?”
  
  That is based on an incorrect assumption, probably also influenced by the biased title from TF.
  
  The court held him responsible for more than designing a web site. He actually received payments from all the persons using the site for copyright infringement, he was the only person receiving such payments.
  - Guest
    
    “he was the only person receiving such payments.”
    
    No, he wasn’t. You’re making that up.
    - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
      
      I don’t make things up.
      
      From the sentence:
      
      “inte minst det förhållandet att NN ensam har tillgodogjort sig all vinst på verksamheten”
      
      Google translate:
      Not least the fact that NN alone has assimilated all the profit on operations
      
      https://www.wuala.com/up_5101/11-11573.Svea.hovrätt.studentbay.dom.pdf/?key=5101
    - IDIOCRACY
      
      He makes everything up and refuses to answer why he does not tell the whole story about what he stated about Rick Falkvinge and the CP related point of view. He still uses slander as a tool to discredit people like the preases of the Pirate Party in sweden and continues to paint a picture of criminality about things that are perfectly legal.
      It will not take long anymore before he will be chased and sued. He will feel the full wrath of the law when they come for him. So much evidence has been gathered from his slanderous statements only here on TF, just imagine all the other blogs he posts on..@NTP .They are coming for you NTP, pack your clean underwear and polish your shoes, you will see the courtroom inside very soon. hehe
    - Guest
      
      “I don’t make things up.”
      
      Yes. Except for all those things you make up(filesharing illegal in Spain, minors can be punished for shoplifting in Sweden, etc. etc. etc.), you don’t make things up at all. Right.
      
      Anyway, your link is broken and I can’t find another working link to studentbay.dm.pdf anywhere. So I’m still considering you to be lying until proven otherwise.
      
      By the way, you’re using Google translate? But I thought you knew Swedish?
    - Scary_Devil_Monastery
      
      @Guest
      
      “By the way, you’re using Google translate? But I thought you knew Swedish?”
      
      He does. But bear in mind this is the same guy living in Sweden who was wishing for ISP’s starting to register all traffic of users without even noting that this has been EU law and implemented in Sweden for some time.
      
      That he actually provides a link to Google translate in this case means he’s eager for people to read what he has to bring since he for once believes he has facts at his disposal.
  - http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
    
    proof?
  - IDIOCRACY
    
    Link is dead, does noet exist web page says… probably because is was your forgery NTP… stop lying
    - IDIOCRACY
      
      sorry for the typo, posted too fast hehe
    - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
      
      I’m not lying. TF shortens the URL, making it unusable.
    - IDIOCRACY
      
      Then you should type in the text without the http before it and use brckets to be removed for exaple… like to read it myself…. try again
    - IDIOCRACY
      
      s**t really need a new keyboard, half of all characters failed.. damn
    - Guest
      
      @Nejtillpirater
      
      Post the link again, except this time replace the . with the word “dot”. Like this:
      
      http://www.wuala dot com/(rest of URL)
      
      Remember. Working link or else you’re lying.
    - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
      
      Working link has been produced, edited the other postings. Used Google Url Shortener:
      
      http://goo.gl/z88mK
    - IDIOCRACY
      
      I have read it, and I have to conclude that the web-designer was paid for every person that registered (because you had to register if you did not upload), the court sees this as evidence that the designer must have known that infringement took place and that because of the payment construction, the designer likely knew more than he wanted to admit to the court. However the verdict is in the line of expected for this minor transgression. The fee is not that high and he did not get the maximum jail penalty of 2 years.
      
      So all and all, the statement of NTP were pretty out of context but I have to admit, not untrue, however telling half the truth is as bad as lying…
      It was nice to read the verdict myself and I will try to find the original certified copy to make sure it is genuine.
      
      I need to agree on the fact that the guy got what he deserved, he got money from visitors that wanted to download, that is asking money for downloading and not sharing….he admitted this… so… get over it and do the public service work and pay the guys….this was piracy for profit..and that is bad.
      
      I think the textbooks should be public and freely available anyway (in digital form).
      In a lot of countries this is already the case, and when I studied, all material was freely provided by the University (the University copied all relevant information for us into a syllabus).
    - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
      
      @IDIOCRACY
      
      “So all and all, the statement of NTP were pretty out of context but I have to admit, not untrue, however telling half the truth is as bad as lying… ”
      
      So I should have quoted the complete sentence to avoid “lying”?
      
      “It was nice to read the verdict myself and I will try to find the original certified copy to make sure it’s genuine.”
      
      The link comes from Gustav Nipe, leader of the Young Pirates, part of the Swedish Pirate Party. I suppose I should get the original too, to ensure that it’s genuine…
      
      “I need to agree on the fact that the guy got what he deserved, he got money from visitors that wanted to download, that is asking money for downloading and not sharing….he admitted this… so… get over it and do the public service work and pay the guys….this was piracy for profit..and that is bad.”
      
      At least you understood this part, congratulations. Piracy for profit.
    - IDIOCRACY
      
      Do not misunderstand me here NTP, Piracy for profit means only when you let people that want to download copyrighted material, pay for it.
      
      It is perfectly normal to earn money with a website running advertisements like the Piratebay, and clearly the swedish law thinks the same about that. TPB does not offer links or content for payment from their users. TPB does not offer copyrighted material, it does not even link to copyrighted material, it does less than the way as google does, it links to links that link to files that link to digital information. This cannot be illegal (as it shows) hence then Google and all other search engines are worse than TPB. (Law and technically).
      (oh and please do not say that that is not true, I know it is, I teach the shit, and no not to basic school).
      
      So don’t cheer to loud, I only agree on the pay for downloading point. nothing more, and as you forgot to quote from my post, I truly believe that the information should have been available for free to not only students but to all of the world..we are talking about education here, that should always be free (luckily where I live, it is).
  - Wut34324
    
    So what about the hosting company that rented them the servers?
    They also got payed – they must be sued none the less as they have gained profit and must have also known what would be the purpose of the site, haven’t they?
  - Anonymous
    
    why do you have to twist everything to suit your own perverted look at things? he wasn’t the only person receiving payment and it’s irrelevant why he is being paid. as usual, your coming out with untruths to try to justify the moves taken by your masters, the entertainment industries, which have then ‘encouraged’ the courts to dish out ridiculous sentences. please be accurate in your posts or fuck off back to Hollywood!
    - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
      
      Perverted?
      
      He was the only person receiving money related to piracy.
      
      MO-SMS got 6 SEK per transaction related to SMS payments. Do you think that they should have been convicted also? I think not since they probably wasn’t aware of their service being used for getting payments from piracy. And regarding being accessory, it’s a gradual scale with different levels of knowledge, contribution etc. The person running Student Bay had a direct connection earning money from piracy, MO-SMS, the telephone companies used to send SMS or even the web hotel have a more indirect connection. It’s up to the court to prove the level of connection and if this can be seen as being accessory to copyright infringement.
  - Jatillpirater
    
    You’re wrong. He was the only person receiving payments under a reimbursement plan pre-arranged with the sites owners (who commissioned his work) to pay for the design work he did on the off-chance the site gained any popularity. And this is because he was the only designer of the site. It’s like most designers who produce ‘free’ work speculatively and if the outcome from their work is a success for their clients then they get paid. It’s not irregular. I’ve known designers to be paid with a pair of jeans for designing some business cards. You’re also assuming that everyone who paid was infringing copyrights. But there is no proof of that anywhere. He was just paid a percentage of what subscribers paid to the site. If indeed he was the only one assimilating any profit from the site (profit means after everything has been paid, such as bandwidth and server costs, the owners wages and all) then perhaps the owners were paying him as much as they could afford, but indeed the payment agreement terms aren’t fully known, so they may have been paying him less than was originally agreed ergo the entire profits (after all costs have been deducted from the incoming funds) may have had to be paid to him. Nothing there suggests a sinister sole-involvement in the site, your bias is just tainting the way you’re reading any facts.
    - IDIOCRACY
      
      NTP is very biased, but we all know that already, the fact is that the guy is convicted greatly on circumstantial evidence, that is probably also the reason he got away with it with a very light sentence. Some (3) of the infringing files were directly linked to him (as I read it correctly… not totally sure..) that fact made him hang in combination with the payments linked to those files.
      
      But …I could be wrong…. something NTP would never say… but hey he still did not admit or answered to explain any of his allegations to several prominent members or ex members of the pirateparty(s) so….
      
      Also his remark about me telling him to leaving the context out, is telling half the truth, that equals a lie, he asked if he should have copied the whole verdict,…. no just the context, like I do now…….
      
      That makes him the biggest laugh of this forum… but also a good example of the arrogance and concrete wall in front of the faces of the MAFIAA related / employed / supporters. hehe
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1) Can this be Appealed higher?

2) Will it be Appealed higher?

3) Will that be because of a lack of wherewithal?

4) Who expects people to respect and obey a legal system where significant portions of the population can’t pay the price of justice?

5) Do the rich make laws for the poor and middle classes to obey?
- Anonymous
  
  ‘Do the rich make laws for the poor and middle classes to obey?’
  
  oh yes. well, for the poor, anyway. just as they did in days gone by
dondilly

The court’s logic beggars belief. A programmer working on the creation of a site would create the basic framework. 5hings like site name, graphics and text would be the responsibility of the site owner. The management of the content and policing of the site would not be down to the programmer. In effect its a glorified content management system. The likelyhood is that any bugfixes and updates would be done by the dev on a remote dev system never going near the main site.

Good job i don’t live in sweden. I’d spent most of my work ing life working in defence and aerospace as a software designer. Under swedish logic i could now be found guilty of war crimes.
- Guest
  
  When I first read it – I HONESTLY believed the site was going to be sharing out free (of copyright, or free of charge) text books.
  
  And I have all the knowledge of the piratebay and all that stuff, so I get the similarity.
  
  So if someone said to me, can you design a website for us, to share student text books for free, I wouldn’t really think much different.
  
  Im used to these books being freely available though, maybe that’s my bias?
  
  So is this all based on it being similar to the pirate bay in name and logo? what about the promobay, free music… MUST BE ILLEGAL!
- Anonymous
  
  so, using the same logic, will those working for weapons manufacturers be held accountable by courts because the products they made/help make were used to blow the living shit out of people? this is nothing short of a USA entertainment industries set up, perpetrated by the USA government and USTR through the bribing to gutless Swedish judges and politicians, just the same as happened in TPB spectrial
  - eddy
    
    “..so, using the same logic, will those working for weapons manufacturers be held accountable by courts because the products they made/help make were used to blow the living shit out of people?..”
    
    They should be.
bogdanj

“The Court ruled that despite only being a designer, he must’ve known that the true purpose of StudentBay was to infringe the copyrights of the book companies.” Notice “he must’ve known”. So this is how Sweden’s law operates. On assumptions. They’ve convicted an innocent man (he’s innocent until proven guilty) based on the assumption that he knew what the site will be used for. And even if he did knew, he still has no fault in this. Congrats Sweden! You are now more than ever America’s bitch.
- http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
  
  He was the only person the earned money from the business, according to the court sentence.
  - Guest
    
    By your own words above “MO-SMS got 6 SEK per transaction related to SMS payments. Do you think that they should have been convicted also?”
    
    So this person was not the only person to have received/earned money from the business so you lied. And you of all people shout very loud that people that who commit piracy or facilitate piracy should be punished and now you question and say that the above should not be punished even though they made money. You completely contradict yourself in what you say.
    - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
      
      Incorrect. The 6 SEK is not related to Student Bay, it’s related to using a separate service for SMS payments. The persons becoming members now that using SMS payment means that part of the cost goes to the SMS payment service.
    - Guest
      
      @nejtillpirate You are incorrect yourself!!!
      
      You say that the money is not related to Student Bay but is it, even if the money is related to using a separate service the money still came profiteering from facililating with piracy. If a person is accused from facillitaing and profiteering from piracy on the basis that they receive ad revenue from the adverts on the site then the same applies also if money is money received from another service even if it came from SMS the person still is profiteering from piracy whilst being with the site.
bobmail

Congrats to the court for getting it right.

The designer was well aware of what the site was going to be, and did it anyway. He is no less guilty than anyone else in the conspiracy to pirate the books.

It’s enlightening to see a court strike down the defense of willful ignorance.
- http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
  
  I wasn’t aware that thoughtcrime was a real thing. Interesting how quickly it turned from “he must have known” (an assumption if I ever saw one) to “he was well aware”
- http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
  
  Correct. AND he was the only person that earned money from the business, according to the court sentence.
  - Who
    
    so the court is saying that the server host was providing serves for free? hardly.
  - icec0ld
    
    Wrong! The servers brought and paid for to run this server also profited from the infringing action. They should sue them too, after all. Fair is fair. /Rollseyes
    - http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
      
      you jest, but that’s likely the next step for the MAFIAA.
  - ThumbsUpThumbsDown
    
    That he was the only one paid should indicate that he was a mere employee agent, rather than an owner acting as a Principal.
    
    He got paid for doing a job. So what? He was the only one paid. The owners kept theirs in invested Capital. The fact that he was paid doesn’t mean that he knew the intent of the principals; or, that he was in a position to interfere or take responsibility for their business.
    
    Were his designs infringing? If not, then how is he committing a crime when he goes home, and they do as they wish in the business over which they have power and control; and, he has neither?
    
    He Knew? Says who? If you go to a neighbor’s house, and you suspect that neighbor of doing something wrong, can you be said to “KNOW” that your neighbor IS doing something wrong? Can you be said to know WHAT that something is? And, if you hand over your designs that are NOT infringing, can you be said to be responsible for whatever he chooses to do with them? Why is it so unbelievable that at his level of participation he might not know?
    
    I know you’ll say, “He was found guilty by a Court! So there!!” But, that just expresses how willing you are to be unfair to him. Remember, he was also found innocent by the other court. There are many people in prison whose only crime was that they could not afford the price of justice.
  - Nejtillpiraters_mom
    
    Keep posting it, honey! It”s be right soon!
- Guest
  
  “The designer was well aware of what the site was going to be, and did it anyway.”
  
  So? You’re acting like he somehow did something wrong. He didn’t.
- Ardvaark
  
  conspiracy to pirate books, you guys really like making things sound a hundred times worse than what they are.
  
  Anyways he is as guilty as the maker of an assault riffle or the developer of a media player. Don’t tell me a someone manufacturing a gun is thinking that gun will only be sold as decoration, it just isn’t true. Same thing applies to the media player, the developer will obviously know that illegal files will be played by his program. Are those people liable? of course not!
  
  Now let’s assume that those people were indeed guilty for the actions of a 3rd party for a second. Shall we check the consequences? For the gun manufacturer you probably prevented a murder or maybe a not-so-bloody war (a knife won’t kill as many). Good!. The programmer not creating such a tool, probably didn’t change the landscape at all since, you know, there are other ways to listen to music / view videos.
  
  Finally let’s see what was prevented with such a sentence to the web-dev. What was prevented was the sharing of free knowledge and information to a public who relies on such information to succeed and improve society later on and who can barely afford (or not at all) any of the expensive textbooks and material. So there was a direct negative effect on the success of the students, and for what? not much of a profit since textbooks will still be shared offline, photocopied, etc. Good job right?
  
  and since you clearly seem to support such a decision I guess you never had to go through the hardships of university studies when it comes to affording the material needed for your classes, which is not surprising given the not-so-exigent requirements to be a mafiaa lapdog and your apparent uneducated way of acting.
- Barbarysmile
  
  “The designer was well aware of what the site was going to be, and did it anyway.”
  
  You must be very close to him. He told you this?
- Anon
  
  Indeed, I say congrats as well.
  
  Punishments are increasing.
- Wallace
  
  “The designer was well aware of what the site was going to be, and did it anyway. He is no less guilty than anyone else in the conspiracy to pirate the books.
  
  It’s enlightening to see a court strike down the defense of willful ignorance.”
  
  First you say he was well aware, then you say he was willfully ignorant.
  
  He can’t be both, numbnuts.
  
  All I want for Christmas is a literate pro-piracy troll.
  
  Say what you want about racists and pedophiles, at least you can understand their posts.
  - Wallace
    
    “All I want for Christmas is a literate pro-piracy troll.”
    
    Or Jesus Christ, even a literate anti-piracy troll.
Who

“he must’ve known that the true purpose of StudentBay was to infringe the copyrights of the book companies”

ok so now the court systems are going by “must’ve’s” OMFG, give me a FUCKING BREAK.
- http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
  
  And the fact that he received payments from the users of the site doesn’t change your conclusion? Just a coincidence?
  - Johnnywhatshisname
    
    If you are a hostess or bartender at a nightclub that’s run by the mafia, you are not generally charged in rackateering if the owners get busted, since you are just an employee. The argument that “you should have known”, whether they knew or not, is not legally-admissible piece of reasoning in a just court.
    - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
      
      “The argument that “you should have known”, whether they knew or not, is not legally-admissible piece of reasoning in a just court.”
      
      But it’s not that simple according to the court sentence. He earned money from the users paying membership fees to be able to download copies of copyrighted books.
      
      I find the TF article rather biased.
    - icec0ld
      
      @Nejtillpirater
      
      “I find the TF article rather biased.”
      
      What you actually mean is you do not like the facts presented to you. Bias is an incorrect term for you here.
  - Ardvaark
    
    You’re firing your guns at the wrong guy.
    
    The developer only got paid a commission based on how popular the site got. Who paid that to him and the initial sum for him to develop the site? the Admin.
    
    Probably the commission wasn’t even the total of the subscription money so you can assume a big chunk was kept by the admin.
    
    So form this you can see that, like it was already said, the web-dev was just getting paid for his work of designing the site, so the sentence was wrongly applied. (As was noted by the 1st court who declared him innocent).
    
    The admin, on the other hand, is the one who was profiting from piracy and is the one in the wrong. Funny enough he wasn’t prosecuted so, innocent until proven guilty still applies.
    - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
      
      According to the court sentence, each individual SMS payment was directly transferred to his account. It’s obvious that this person also was the admin although he denies it, also conveniently having “forgotten” who ordered his services.
      
      I hope it will be revealed what the proof found in Gottfrid Svartholm Warg’s computer was. My guess is that it shows that the convicted person also was the person running the site, or at least strongly points in that direction.
    - Ardvaark
      
      @Nejtillpirater
      
      Well at least there’s something right, it does say he had the login to the account.
      
      With that, I’ll wait for the evidence to be public, since it can make or break the correctness of the sentence.
  - Who
    
    “must’ve’s” “must have” is an assumption….”Circumstances taken for granted”
    
    that’s what they said the EVIDENCE pointed them to. “they took for granted the evidence and convicted him by ASSUMING”
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coruption ring a bell o.o
Xult

Orwellian indeed.
Thought crime.
My god I will have to stop using thought.
Some of the things I have imagined over the years would give me several life sentences.
But lets get to the point.
A web designer is asked to to make a webpage to the customers requirments.
Offered renumeration for the success of the website.
Run by students for students.
Obviously this site would have been a non profit site.
So a web designer is held responsible for the activity of these students.
This is stretching the law to the limits.
- http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
  
  He earned money from the business, the students paid money to be able to download copyrighted books.
  - Xult
    
    He earned money for designing a website!
    - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
      
      No, each user wanting to download copyrighted books paid a membership fee and he alone received those fees.
      
      Piracy for commercial profit, without any doubts.
  - guest
    
    You are the biggest FAGGOT on the internet. Totally useless idiot. Why not kill yourself?
Anonymous Coward

How many car manufacturers do you think are aware that their cars will be involved in fatal accidents? How about bank robberies? DUI’s? Hit and Runs? Jeez… the charges against these irresponsible and reprehensible carmakers just keeps piling up.. how can they sleep at night knowing the horrible crimes they help make possible?
Szchifo

Sony should take themselves to court for creating CDR/DVDR/BDR writable media and the hardware writers that allow piracy to take place.

The world is run by corporations and those with infinite wealth.
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NitwitPirate FUCK OFF GRANDMA you are a USELESS IDIOT paid pennies to SUCK OFF CORPORATE ASSHOLES.

I hope somebody murders you.
Idontselfcensor

The judge should be shot in the mouth.
- guess who
  
  i think he has already, he seems to be drooling cum.
TigTogDew

OK now that is absurd, the kangaroo court is a joke!
usa-privacy.tk
http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

Yep, the world has gone mad. Obama hasn’t even sworn in for another four years yet – you just wait! The madness is just beginning.
http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

I hope he appeals.
despairing at corporate greed

what i’m getting from everything that is going on is this: rape, war, hunger, pestialance and beyond belieft bank fuckery and corrupition are unimportant., they’re all minor crap. copy infringement, go to war on it, ignore international treaties, peoples rights and anything else that gets in the way of making money for crap noone realy needs to live. if only these arseholes realized that what they are so precious over is tiny compared to what realy counts in life and the world: safety, a roof over your head, warmth and food in your stomach.

the sooner the hackers release a new protocol and app that gives away no information like mac or tcp/ip no’s, the sooner the corporate whores will go hungry and die from starvation.
fuck american corporate greed

it strikes me that countries that are fucked over by the west or just hate it, with good reason, just look at the fuckery britan, france and american have perpetrated globaly, are missing out on a huge opportunity to strike back at the west and make money in the process.

if some african or asian country decided to host torrent sites and usenet and told the us to stuff its dmcas so far up its arse it could like the shit off of them on the way out, they would make more money than they would know what to do with.
- Guest
  
  “if some african or asian country decided to host torrent sites and usenet and told the us to stuff its dmcas so far up its arse it could like the shit off of them on the way out, they would make more money than they would know what to do with.”
  
  Right up until the US parked a fleet of warships off its coast, made the skies dark with predator drones, and/or rained nukes down upon them. And if you don’t believe the US would go to such lengths if pushed far enough, you’ve obviously been living under a rock for 2012. Copyright is apparently more sacred than life or rule of law in that failed state.
  - Anon
    
    Copyright of music is a pittance, Guest, but it’s the canary in the coal mine and government knows it. Copyright of publishing and textbooks strikes closer to the funding of education, so that is taken even more seriously. If you think only the USA would go to war to protect their intellectual property interests, you may not be aware of the deep IP holdings of the EU in general, and much of the rest of the world. This was never about music and movies. This is about returning price to digital files where a value is mutually agreed in the online digital marketplace.
    
    Pirates better wake up and realize this. A server offshore hosting unlawful content is increasingly likely to be bombed to ashes, along with the site admins.
    
    Would you miss them? I wouldn’t. lol
    - IDIOCRACY
      
      seems you need a little more education, but becauses you have no brain you will not miss it?? (the education).. ah I get it, I already wondered why.
    - Fredrika
      
      > “This is about returning price to digital files where a value is mutually agreed in the online digital marketplace.”
      
      Maybe it’s time for you to take a basic class in business economics?
      
      The economical value of a digital file is zero. That price is not up for debate. Physics and logics has already set that price, because it can be manufactured by anyone for free.
      
      And there can be no mutual agreement regarding any value or price on any marketplace when the seller holds a legislative monopoly that bans competition from offering a better price than the monopoly holder.
      
      It’s ok that you advocate fascism, it’s ok that you’re against the free market, and it’s ok that your agenda is to damage the US economy and it’s cultural life, to protect the profits of a few weak failed entrepreneurs that can’t handle themselves on the free market, but why no be honest about it and say things that actually corresponds with reality and economical facts, instead of making ridiculous claims that anyone that has even the most basic fundamental knowledge of economics knows are wrong? Are you that afraid of honesty?
- http://openid.anonymity.com/j4qqi9 World Going WTF
  
  Sorry to burst your bubble but the US would definitely go to war for Copyright especially with Democrats in charge
  
  Unless your suggesting countries like China or Russia there would certainly be a war in that countries future
  
  This is sounding more and more true: “America’s not a country. It’s just a business.”
Not Surprised

A contracted designer is guilty of building a website, but uTorrent is innocent? Something is not right here…
- http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
  
  The court didn’t find him being just a contracted designer since he earned money from the piracy, by receiving payments from each person becoming member to be able to download copies of copyrighted books. If he was just a contracted designer, it’s extremely unlikely that those payments should have gone to him directly.
  - http://profile.typepad.com/6p0120a5509de8970c ???
    
    bullshit!
  - MadAsASnake
    
    Perhaps so. But it is for a prosecution to prove that beyond reasonable doubt. It is NOT for the court to presume so when the prosecution cannot make that case.
    - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
      
      The fact the he received payments directly from new members of the piracy site doesn’t make it hard to prove his guilt beyond reasonable doubt.
    - Fredrika
      
      > “The fact the he received payments directly from new members..”
      
      Which he didn’t do. That’s another lie of yours.
      
      > “..of the piracy site..”
      
      Student Bay is not a piracy site, nor has it ever been suspected of being one?
      
      > “..doesn’t make it hard to prove his guilt beyond reasonable doubt.”
      
      Now tell me, if i wanted to volunteer to operate a site that hosted links with no intent of making money from it, but didn’t know how to code that site, and i asked a person to code that site for me in return for a payment solution that gave him 100% of the revenues from new members that paid a membership, because i had no money to pay him with up front, does this solution prove that the site is his and his guilt beyond reasonable doubt?
      
      I don’t think you understand the concept of beyond reasonable doubt, but i guess i should be used to your ignorance by now.
    - IDIOCRACY
      
      @Fredrika
      
      I read the verdict and reasoning of the court and to me it seems plausible (even-though I have to agree that all evidence is very circumstantial).
    - Fredrika
      
      > “I read the verdict and reasoning of the court and to me it seems plausible (even-though I have to agree that all evidence is very circumstantial).”
      
      The court is not supposed to speculate on what’s plausible. They are supposed to acquit unless the prosecutor has proven beyond reasonable doubt that it can not have been any other way.
    - Techanon
      
      @IDIOCRACY
      
      But it didn’t convince you beyond reasonable doubt did it?
    - IDIOCRACY
      
      @techanon
      
      You’re right, it didn’t.
Bobthenob

Does that mean i can sue Glock for making a gun that someone used to shoot my cat because they know someone somewhere would be shooting cats with what they are manufacturing?
http://profile.typepad.com/6p0120a5509de8970c ???

In Sweden when you desing something you have to check first that the website doesn’t do illegal things or you’ll get jail and fines
- ThumbsUpThumbsDown
  
  I guess they figured out that it’s an effective way of inhibiting what people say on the web.
  - http://profile.typepad.com/6p0120a5509de8970c ???
    
    Instead of designing a website and make money and pay tax go for social welfare if the website is illegal one day you lose more money than you earned
    - ThumbsUpThumbsDown
      
      The reason we can beat them, is because they’re so obviously wrong. Too many peiole have awakened to their scam. There’s not enough political and military persuasion in the world for them to be able to get past the simple fact that people know who they really are. How do you get past the fact that the Human Race just will no longer give you the benefit of the doubt? Yeah. They’re strong enough to beat some victims senseless; but, when they wake up it’s another 20 or 30 million more angry adversaries asking all the right questyons and getting all the wrong answers.
      
      Watch!! We get a bad day today. They get a worse day tommorrow.
    - Anon
      
      @ thumbs.
      lol another internet tough guy with nothing to back up empty assertion.
      YOU ARE “the opposition.” lol
  - Anon
    
    Where do you get this? People are free to say what they wish, within the reasonable limitations in each jurisdiction. I think what the court is saying here that infringement is unlawful, encouraging and facilitating infringement is unlawful, or profiting from copyright infringement is unlawful and won’t be tolerated. This comes after a decade of careful, cautious study of the issues, both inside and out of court. Say whatever you wish, Thumbs. Freedom of speech is all around. Your actions, however, had best be lawful. And when was this ever not true?
- http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
  
  Incorrect. Remember that he was first acquitted in District Court since they came to the conclusion that he only designed parts of the website. But now the higher court has found that he’s responsible for more than that.
  - http://profile.typepad.com/6p0120a5509de8970c ???
    
    You are the liar here and i do not trust liars like you!
    - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
      
      I don’t lie and I’ve read the court sentences. Have you done that or are you just BS-ing.
    - Guest
      
      @Nejtillpirater
      
      You do lie and you also bs-g too.
  - http://profile.typepad.com/6p0120a5509de8970c ???
    
    You have been lying before and revealed as a liar
    - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
      
      Actually, a few rabid pirates have lied about my lying. I don’t lie, unfortunate for misinformed pirates.
    - Fredrika
      
      > “Actually, a few rabid pirates have lied about my lying. I don’t lie, unfortunate for misinformed pirates.”
      
      You don’t lie???
      
      Remember when you lied about knowing with 100% certainty that filesharing was illegal in Spain, which it wasn’t?
      
      Remember when you lied about the 100% dependent profit seeking company MediaVision being independent?
      
      Remember when you lied about the non-Swedish based site Pirate Bay being illegal because of a Swedish sentence that didn’t say that the site was illegal even in Sweden?
      
      Remember when you lied about Pirate Bay and what they said about that they maybe had a connection to PRQ, but maybe didn’t?
      
      Remember when you committed libel and lied about Fredrik Neij operating a site that sold fake drivers licenses?
      
      Remember when committed libel and lied about several Pirate Party officials being paedophiles?
      
      Remember when you lied about the Pirate Bay sentences being precedent, which they aren’t?
      
      Remember when you lied about what the Swedish Justice Department said that the purpose of copyright was in present time?
      
      Do you want me to continue? Just about the only thing you have done over the last four years is lied, over and over again.
      
      Now if you call pirates that tell the obvious truth about your repeated lies for rabid, what should one call the person who denies lying, when that in fact is the only thing he does? A full blown psychopathic compulsive liar?
  - http://profile.typepad.com/6p0120a5509de8970c ???
    
    Now you are lying!
    - http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
      
      No, I’m not lying. Have you read the sentences?
    - SomeYahoo
      
      @Nej
      
      holy fuckerony batman, you’ve just reached an elementary school level of lying where you spitball a kid infront of the whole class and STILL deny it happened
      
      congratulation, your pants have officially caught fire
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Lulo

Do you have a gun ?
Will

So the install guy at Tire World should be condemned because he should have known the car could be used in a crime?
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NewClear

“the designer must’ve known the site would be put to infringing use”

Yes.. punishing someone based on the assumption that they should have known the future makes perfect sense! Under the same logic we could have sent the Wright Brothers to prison because they must’ve known that airplanes would be used to crash into buildings.
steve

Copyrighting education just seems flawed. If that’s not working against humanity I don’t know what is.
sammyman

yeh, this just means that all the big companies can now be sued, the ones who make the dvix players, the ones who make the blank dvd, the ones who make it so you can put what on computer onto your tv screens, the isps .. they all know what their products are being used for .. so ..
Shizzle200

So… Gun markers must certainly know that some of their guns will be used to murder people… They should be arrested for murder immediately!
Foff

So by that logic all gun and ammo makers should also be found guilty because for fuck sakes they had to know someone was going to get shot. Does this fucking have an ounce of brains?
Guesty

Time to add Sweden to the list of non-Free Countries where an acquittal can be appealed.
- http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
  
  Actually it’s not an acquittal since both sides can appeal the sentence to a higher court. Acquittal seems to be related to Anglo-Saxon tradition. You must understand the complete judicial system to be able to criticize it in an objective way.
Crozy

Sweden is beginning to smell like the US.
- test test
  
  ..and smell they do!
Silly arguments

Let’s also blame spoon makers for making people fat and gun makers for killing people!
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I always predicted that sooner or later the actions of Copyright groups would start to turn against them this is a perfect example of what they think is a win and in the future might become a huge loss

If they say creating something that will result in “Piracy” even without knowing is a crime in the future what do the Copyright guys think will happen when Authoritarian regimes no longer need their money because they can just apprehend their assets this verdict will turn against them and they will be the one on stand for facilitating Copyright infringement

Maybe the world will end tomorrow and the people will be spared of this future of slavery
Cujo

well ,, holy fck ,, we now have to code in secret ,, encrypted code i guess lol
Guest

Then they’re gonna sue the people the make the torrent software.

Next they’re gonna sue Microsoft for making the OS that let’s you run torrent clients.

Next they’re gonna sue intel for making the processor that runs the computer that runs the infringing software.

Then they’re gonna sue Kellogs, the cereal maker that makes food that powers the people that use a torrent client that runs on an operating system which uses an intel processor that runs windows and connects to the internet.
Guest

What if they sue the designer of the content creation package? Maybe it was Adobe tools they used to build the site. I’d like to see them go further. And get their fucking head shoved up their ass.

I so want them to sue the local restaurants – because they feed the people that pirate the shit.
Guest

Maybe we can get back to the true “meaning” of pirating stuff. Get it for free, and give it away for free. Cut out all the money!
Guess

They stole his money and forced him to pay more money, wtf???
What about the site operators in all of this. What are their charges?

“The man received probation and was ordered to complete 75 hours unpaid work. He must also pay 42,000 kronor ($6405) in damages. The money he made from the site was confiscated.”

The Man builds site and is later blamed for copyright shit.
The Man builds car, car is used to steal books. They don’t go after the man that builds car.

Was the megaupload site designed by kim dotcom? I don’t think so but the designer isn’t getting sued or facing years in prison, they didn’t hold of his assets either.
- IDIOCRACY
  
  Actually they did, his name is Bram van der Kolk, dutch (holland) guy.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Zak-Kirkpatrick/22906930 Zak Kirkpatrick

Design/make a website, make money based on popularity of your website. Be held accountable when someone else uses your design to break the law.

Design/make a gun, make money based on popularity of your gun. Be held accountable when someone else uses your gun to kill someone.

WAT?
John Mcclane

textbook mafia?
Smrf

Swedish justice: still the finest that money can buy.
- http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
  
  Actually not, Sweden is one of the least corrupt countries in the world.
  - Fredrika
    
    > “Actually not, Sweden is one of the least corrupt countries in the world.”
    
    Because someone said so on a piece of paper?
    
    Here’s a mathematical riddle for you. If two countries are practically and logically equally corrupt, but one of those two countries manages to hide it from all international studies and comparisons, is that country than less corrupt, simply because this is stated on a piece of paper?
    
    In reality, when a country manages to have one of the most high profile trials of the century handled by, according to it’s constitution and the European constitution, biased judges from beginning to end, making the entire trial unconstitutional, and not one single national legal safe guard openly detects or stops this, than that country by all definitions is one of the most corrupt on the planet.
    
    But the fact that the judges in the unconstitutional Pirate Bay trial were biased is fact that you for some reason is desperately afraid if even commenting on. You don’t even dare to argue against it, because you know that the second you try to get away with another lie about the judges not being biased, or the trials not being unconstitutional, i will throw quotes at you from the relevant paragraphs in the constitutions, that in very specific wording explains what constitutes bias.
Xult

gunmakers should be sued… Too many people are getting shot!
As regards spoons… should be hanged from high, Tarred, Feathered!
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torrent freakster

So will gun makers be sentenced for making guns when they know the guns will be used to murder people ?

Lets sue the crap out of all the american gun companies.
Force them to stop making and selling guns while the trial is in progress.
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