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“Dirty Word” BitTorrent Admin Faces Furniture Seizure To Pay Piracy Fine

The former administrator of a pair of BitTorrent sites has been warned that tomorrow his furniture will be seized in order to pay off a debt he owes to music rights group SACEM. The Frenchman, known online as Blackistef, says he has little else to offer other than his coffee table, a shelf and a carpet to cover the 19,300 euros he owes following two court defeats.

In June 2008, police arrested Blackistef, the administrator of two Internet sites. The action was taken following complaints by music rights group SACEM who had taken exception to his operations at BitTorrent links forum Torrentnews.net, and Torrent-public-center.com, a BitTorrent meta-search engine.

“I spent a day like a thief, locked in their cells filled with shit and even showered on the walls,” said Blackistef at the time. “A hole in the ground for a toilet (which you can not flush) and a single concrete bench.”

Blackistef lost his case in 2009 and was given a four month suspended jail sentence and ordered by a court to pay SACEM 17,000 euros in damages, plus costs.

Earlier this year the Court of Appeal heard the case but rejected Blackistef’s defense that as a service provider he should not be held responsible for links posted by users, provided he complied with takedown requests.

The court disagreed, noting that having the dirty word “torrent” in a domain name was reason enough to presume that Blacklistef knew that infringement took place on the sites. The original ruling was upheld leaving Blacklistef with a debt to SACEM of just over 19,000 euros.

Speaking with TorrentFreak today, Blacklistef told us that TorrentNews was a place where members exchanged torrent links found on The Pirate Bay, isoHunt and Miniova. It was a non-profit forum and there were no ads to create income.

But now, five months later, SACEM are hoping to generate some revenue of their own.

“Hello, this is for you!” said the bailiffs at Blacklistef’s door last week, handing him documents containing the breakdown of debts owed. As can be seen from the details below, in interest alone SACEM are already claiming more than 500 euros.

Blacklistef

The documents further warn that if Blacklistef doesn’t pay the money owed within 8 days, the bailiffs will seize his property to cover the debt.

“But why me, what have I done to deserve this?” asks Blacklistef rhetorically. “Fortunately the costly act comes with a copy of the decision, and allows me to read the reasons for my conviction.

The accused has created websites contributing to the development of a vast underground economy, and whose actions contributed to the destabilization of the economy of artistic creation. He must be given an exemplary and deterrent punishment.

“According to the judge, I was the “Godfather of Wareziens,” he told TorrentFreak.

In order to try and reach some sort of compromise, Blacklistef went to see the bailiff and offered an interim payment of the 50 euros he had in his pocket to show good faith, but the offer was declined. Two days later he received documents containing the notice below:

Blacklistef2

Translated, the words “Saisie de vos meubles” mean “Seizure of your furniture”.

So now Blacklistef has until tomorrow to raise 19,303 euros or he says he will be forced to “say goodbye” to what little he has left. “My coffee table, my wooden shelf, my carpet,” he adds.

Other items he could have sold to raise money, including computer equipment, a TV and a cable receiver, were all confiscated by the court and never returned.

“So I called on the community to help me pay my SACEM fine so that I may not be ruined for a simple story of linking to torrents,” he concludes.

Blacklistef’s PayPal fund raiser can be found here, but progress is slow with just 175 euros pledged. Maybe a miracle can happen overnight.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

    Oneof these days someone will have the balls to turn round in court when compensation for non existent damages comes up and say to the court the only possessions in my name is the clothes Im standing in, then strip off and walk out of court naked

    • StNr

      If i’m in court and it goes this way. I promise to do this :-)

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        It’ll be some epic win.

      • Anonymous

        I as well.

    • Anonymous

      And if he gets arrested for indecency, then the legal system will implode.

    • Billadoid

      “You can never take my knowledge, take my balls instead!”

    • Gollu

      hmm, I’d like to give money for poison, gun powder and lead rather than feed money to mafia cause mafia likes poison, gun powder and lead… so feed em’ with them.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

        Well we know that the MAFIAA through its UK franchise is effectively peddling child porn thanks not only to its BT block on newzbin2 and now using that as a pecedent to bully other ISPs (virgin,sky and talktalk) into blocking it and trying to use it to get the bay blocked. The upshot of going after mainstream sites like the bay being the circumvention of MAFIAA censorship also wipes out the IWF child porn filters.

      • Guest

        Agreed; I was about to click the donate button, then I realized who I would actually be donating to =(

    • Zzzz

      The judge will no longer be the biggest prick in the court room.

  • Zan

    let them take whats left, get rest of debt written off (they cant have more if theyve had everything)

    Once written off rebuild your life.

    Sux i know but better than paying the exorborant fine.

    • DarknezzMadnezz

      Couldn’t he just claim bankrupt and be left with no bills?

      • Anonymous

        Exactly, let them take your coffee table and go ask for social security. If the system wants to fuck you, just become a leech. File for bankruptcy, flip them the finger. Don’t pay them because they will use that money to ruin the next persons life.

        I hope they don’t think they are safe in their homes. It’s only a matter of time before they try their luck with someone who takes an eye for an eye. Don’t say i didn’t warn them.

        • Ven

          Wait, they come after infringing people because current laws consider them leeches, so the answer is that they should become bigger leeches?

          *Facepalm*

    • DarknezzMadnezz

      Couldn’t he just claim bankrupt and be left with no bills?

  • Anon

    Filesharers like to point out that the act of “taking” music influences nothing material, so I think taking this Bit Torrent admins tangible coffee table is not a proper resolution.

    Instead, better to take his time and peace of mind, his sense of security and personal achievement, his dignity and hope for his future. He’s taken all those things and more from anyone trying to sell a digital product online, and fair is very fair.

    • Anon

      But it’s all okay. He’ll adapt. or die. lol

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        LOL! 9.5/10 for your trolling!

        • Anonymous

          U R AWESUM!

          there should be a website where you can rate DISQUS trolls. :p

      • Dave

        haha. just needs to adapt his business model. can’t live in the past!

      • Xult

        I am also thinking you are on the side of the filesharer.
        Must be one of the best wind ups ever.

      • http://twitter.com/AlyssaBlindy Alyssa Blindy

        Is time copyable? No? Oh. Oops. Is dignity copyable? No? Oh, oops. Is a future replicable? No? Oh, oops.
        I think the MAFIAA should make him record a song, and then sell it and not give him any of the profit ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Ba ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. We are the Mafia marching, marching, we are the mafia and we come to take your stuff.
        Ah, torrent! I’m acting like a 6 year old here.
        Oh, oops. I said a bad word. Mommy! Please, not the soap!

    • Guest

      No, plenty of people sell stuff online without suing everybody. The trick is to charge a reasonable small fee for something that is from a known-good source and not try to dictate ridiculous terms. See: app stores, jamendo, magnatune, etc.

      Of course, you have to be selling something people want. The world doesn’t owe you a living. If you can’t make money absent copyright monopoly rent, maybe you should go do something else, eh? Instead of trying to build a global police state for such petty and selfish reasons.

      • Lynx

        Minecraft… nuff said!

    • Fredrika

      > “Filesharers like to point out that the act of “taking” music influences nothing material..”

      You seem confused. No filesharer would point out something so illogical, since nothing is taken by a filesharer when he manufactures a physical copy with his own physical property that he owns.

      Whether or not physical property or intangible property is influenced by such act does not change the fundamental fact that no property is taken from any owner, so that he no longer has it in his possession, when people fileshare.

      Is it to mush to ask that you learn and understand such fundamental logics and indisputable physical facts, before you comment on a subject that apparently seems to go beyond your knowledge?

  • Jake

    “The court disagreed, noting that having the dirty word “torrent” in a domain name was reason enough to presume that Blacklistef knew that infringement took place on the sites.”

    lol

    • Danny

      Yeah, watch out ernesto and enigmax are next!

    • Danny

      Yeah, watch out ernesto and enigmax are next!

  • DashTheDog

    I hope people don’t contribute, other than to gift him somewhere to live and let him use there things till this is resolved.

    There is a clear issue here that as he has not made money, he hasn’t been profiting from copyright infringement so the fine is completely unjustified. It will ultimately be written off and SACEM will get what they deserve…sod all

  • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

    They spent how much litigating? Got one guy to cough up wealth
    after how many appeals? A coffee table and an old carpet? Right?
    Probably ran right back to his cousin’s barn after the siezures, and
    put on his good clothes. They’ll call their new site, “Big Papa’s new and bigger Waffles and Wares.” Somebody’s going down the tubes slowly alright. But, it’s not this guy.

    • Ven

      They got the precedent set that using the word “Torrent” meant he knew infringement was taking place. Imagine the consequences of that result.

      This is a huge win for them.

      • Guest

        Well, it’s the french legal system, the quintessential civil law system, precedent counts for much less than in common law countries like the UK and other countries with related legal systems (e.g. USA, Ireland). Even in common law countries, sufficiently dumbass precedents get overturned eventually.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LegalSystemsOfTheWorldMap.png

        • Ven

          Regardless, a much larger win than 20k Euros even if he could pay it.

  • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

    They spent how much litigating? Got one guy to cough up wealth
    after how many appeals? A coffee table and an old carpet? Right?
    Probably ran right back to his cousin’s barn after the siezures, and
    put on his good clothes. They’ll call their new site, “Big Papa’s new and bigger Waffles and Wares.” Somebody’s going down the tubes slowly alright. But, it’s not this guy.

  • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

    No wait, don’t get any money from pay pal, let them have your furniture! And ad some clever line such as “hope my carpet can repay the billions of dollars in lost sales I caused as the Warez Godfather!”

    Jesus, I’d do that. Then start a campaign to raise funds to get myself a computer, a table and a chair to use it and start another site. =D

    • Anonymous

      Smear shit all over your stuff and paint it like a rainbow, sit back and laugh. Then build a bigger and better torrent site, cause 10x the damage they took from you.

  • Dave

    lol @ the community not rushing to his aid.
    once a cheapskate, always a cheapskate

    • Ven

      I don’t know about them all being cheapskates, but this is the point at which money should be placed where mouths have been.

      • Anon

        You make an important point, Ven. When Jammie Thomas publicly BEGGED for financial support, even offering to sell thongs, lol, the so-called hundreds of millions of pirates raised a few thousand bucks at best, despite a webpage set up expressly for that purpose, despite pirates claiming she was one of them and deserving of a quality defense.

        Ten cents from every “pirate” and she would have had tens of millions. A penny from each and she would have had a legal defense fund still worth well over a million dollars. Pirates fled like rats in a sinking ship.

        Actions define, words are easy and the digital creators and the courts are watching pirates closely. Put simply you want it free, that’s always been the point, nothing you do ever dispels that fact of the debate and overall? Pirates are full of sh*t.

        • uest

          I think the pirates who thought she was one of them were the ones who gave the money. The ones who don’t give a shit (like me) didn’t.

        • Guest

          Justice should never depend on how wealthy you are (one of the major problems with the USA’s corrupt and failing system).

          There’s nothing wrong with getting things for free. Every “creator” is a net user of creative works. No-one will ever produce more than that which is already freely available to each of us as our birthright as humans. A linux distro cd alone is “worth” over a billion dollars, if you insist on labor theory of value fallacies and tot up the work that went into it, so if creators scream really hard, maybe we should give them a linux cd, and maybe a glass of milk and send them to bed.

          Copyrightists are psychopathic thieves, and they are owed nothing morally.

        • Fredrika

          > “Put simply you want it free, that’s always been the point, nothing you do ever dispels that fact of the debate and overall?”

          The desire to spend as little money as possible for items you want is called capitalism. Even when that means manufacturing the item yourself, with your own physical property, instead of paying someone else to manufacture the item for you.

          Do you have some sort of problem with capitalism?

        • Anonymous

          Probably because no one heard of it. I didn’t…
          I have a website, but you have never seen it…

        • Anon

          Tell the judge how making an unlawful no-cost copy of a digital product others have invested in and intended for sale is “capitalism”, Fredrika.

          If you wonder why others, and me, too, for that matter, think you have lost your mind just reread your own postings. By your measure, stealing a car is capitalism because it reduces the cost of the possession. By your theories, it doesn’t have to be infringement, right? as long as it is cost effective. Do you have a problem with common intelligence, Fredrika?

          Common sense thinks you do.

        • Fredrika

          > “Tell the judge how making an unlawful no-cost copy of a digital product others have invested in and intended for sale is “capitalism”"

          Whether or not something is unlawful or nor, or whether an entrepreneur is trying to make money from some business model, does not change the fundamental fact that manufacturing an item, with your own physical property, to save money, is called capitalism. Again you seem confused.

          Secondly, the copy is manufactured from of a pattern of another filesharers physical copy, that he owns. You seem to be confusing the intellectual work, with the physical copies. No property that is owned by the author of the intellectual work, is involved in the process of manufacturing copies with your own physical property, through filesharing.

          > “By your measure, stealing a car is capitalism because it reduces the cost of the possession.”

          Capitalism is among other things the act of buying something as cheap as possible, or if possible, manufacturing the item yourself, with your own physical property, that you own. There’s no need to confuse yourself with comparisons to something as irrelevant as theft of other peoples property.

          The fact that theft is an act that would also save you money, does not change the fundamental fact that manufacturing an item with your own physical property, to save money, is indeed capitalism, something that you seem to argue against, the desire to save money.

        • Guest

          Copyright monopoly stands in direct opposition to free-market capitalism. That is well-known. The poor, starving artists “couldn’t compete” in a free market – one undistorted by copyright monopolies.

          http://mises.org/against.pdf

      • Anon

        You make an important point, Ven. When Jammie Thomas publicly BEGGED for financial support, even offering to sell thongs, lol, the so-called hundreds of millions of pirates raised a few thousand bucks at best, despite a webpage set up expressly for that purpose, despite pirates claiming she was one of them and deserving of a quality defense.

        Ten cents from every “pirate” and she would have had tens of millions. A penny from each and she would have had a legal defense fund still worth well over a million dollars. Pirates fled like rats in a sinking ship.

        Actions define, words are easy and the digital creators and the courts are watching pirates closely. Put simply you want it free, that’s always been the point, nothing you do ever dispels that fact of the debate and overall? Pirates are full of sh*t.

    • Anonymous

      He doesn’t need money because it will only go to them for more lawsuits. He should just go bankrupt and start over.

  • radioman

    fucked world.. fucked economy…

  • Tim

    5 e donated to the good man, not much but im tight on money myself atm.

  • Pelouze

    Some people are always going to infringe on copyrights. Sharing is caring, they think they’re untouchable and all that…..

    But you never know if and when its going to be “you” in this situation and it hurts like a motherfucker !!!

  • Pelouze

    Some people are always going to infringe on copyrights. Sharing is caring, they think they’re untouchable and all that…..

    But you never know if and when its going to be “you” in this situation and it hurts like a motherfucker !!!

  • Lordfury007

    I won’t donate money to go towards the fine, I don’t believe SACEM deserves that money… but I will happily donate money to rebuild his life after SACEM is out of the picture…

    • Anonymous

      I agree.

    • Anon

      Ditto, also he could have requested help to pay for a better lawyer when it all kicked off..

    • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

      +1
      I’m absolutely shocked at his predicament and the fact that French authorities will forcibly enter his home, steal his basic household items and try to sell them to pay off an immoral and unlawful debt.

      So much for the 1st French Revolution huh? I think it’s time you guys did a 2nd one, just to remind the fucktards who we are and the power we hold collectively.

      What I don’t understand is why he doesn’t simply goto the next stage of appeal after this Court of Appeal decision, but if there isn’t one in the French legal system, then he needs to goto the European Court of Justice on this.

      I simply don’t understand why this Court of Appeal decision is final.

      Anyway, I wish you all the best Blackistef, but I aint donating a cent for you to simply hand it over to a bunch of extortionists – and I would never ask my fellow filesharers to do so for me either.

    • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

      +1
      I’m absolutely shocked at his predicament and the fact that French authorities will forcibly enter his home, steal his basic household items and try to sell them to pay off an immoral and unlawful debt.

      So much for the 1st French Revolution huh? I think it’s time you guys did a 2nd one, just to remind the fucktards who we are and the power we hold collectively.

      What I don’t understand is why he doesn’t simply goto the next stage of appeal after this Court of Appeal decision, but if there isn’t one in the French legal system, then he needs to goto the European Court of Justice on this.

      I simply don’t understand why this Court of Appeal decision is final.

      Anyway, I wish you all the best Blackistef, but I aint donating a cent for you to simply hand it over to a bunch of extortionists – and I would never ask my fellow filesharers to do so for me either.

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  • Gene_Poole

    If you donate to him through PayPal, someone will claim that he is using PayPal for illegal or illicit purposes since the fine is related to torrent websites and seize his funds anyway.

    Long stretch I know, but given this poor guy’s track record…

  • Anonymous

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  • Al Dente

    19000 euros?…just forget that sewer fine.

    Deep shit financially will soon reach us all. While the reptile brains cry, I will have a laugh and watch the free shit from hollywood every night untill hell freezes….
    Luve you Obamasan, Berlusconi, Sarcozy, Adolf Merkel, Papa-dope-tous and the rest of the capo de tutti capici….

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  • foff

    Why the fuck do you have anything to seize. Do you not have any family or friends? You had to know this was comming why didn’t you just empty the apartment and leave nothing but a sleeping mat and a poster flipping the bird.

  • sk0ut

    “The accused has created websites contributing to the development of a vast underground economy”

    Well. At least our economy isn’t falling apart and we share with each other instead of steal.

    Take a lesson!

  • sk0ut

    “The accused has created websites contributing to the development of a vast underground economy”

    Well. At least our economy isn’t falling apart and we share with each other instead of steal.

    Take a lesson!

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