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File-Sharers Safe Until Music Biz Change Laws

After failing in their case against The Pirate Bay, a music copyrights group has announced it will give up trying to get sites blocked and will leave file-sharers alone. Not forever though. They will instead put all their efforts into getting the law changed. The IFPI said yesterday that it wants to bring this same strategy to your country soon.

The last decade has thrown up a number of complex David and Goliath-style copyright battles between large corporations and various file-sharing sites, services and individuals.

Largely the effort has been to convince the courts that current laws are applicable to the cases in question, from the shutting down of Napster in 2001 through to the most recent criminal case in Sweden involving The Pirate Bay. The utilization of existing law brings quicker results, but only in the short term and at significant expense.

New laws, created and based on the desires of the music industry, are a much better solution for them in the longer term, providing faster routes to site closures and more cost-effective solutions to deal with individuals.

With this in mind, lobbying by the music and movie industries has continued apace, even in countries where existing law still yields results.

For example, in the UK existing copyright law was used effectively against Usenet-indexer Newzbin recently, and it is used regularly to reveal the identities of tens of thousands of alleged file-sharers so they can be pursued for settlements. But why spend millions suing sites or individuals out of existence (along with all the bad publicity that brings) when one can get the government to block them at hugely reduced cost?

One only has to look at the UK’s Digital Economy Bill for a clear example where lobbying has been used to massively cut the cost and possibly even the need for future litigation. Don’t like a site like Newzbin in the future? Forget costly injunctions. Write a couple of letters to the right people and it’ll be blocked. Don’t like The Pirate Bay or Rapidshare? Same applies.

Sometimes, however, current law simply isn’t up to the requirements of the mainstream entertainment industries at all and yields zero results.

The IFPI and music rights outfit TONO discovered this recently after their second attempt at forcing the ISP Telenor to block The Pirate Bay ended in failure. They could have taken the case on to the Supreme Court but clearly they know the law isn’t on their side and have announced they have given up on the current legal action.

“We have no plans to try more file sharing cases in court before we are confident that we have a basis in Norwegian law,” said TONO’s Cato Power this week.

TONO haven’t given up on lobbying though. If the law is no good, they say, it’s time to get it changed, and that could be soon.

Norway’s Ministry of Culture is gathering together a group including the Norwegian Publishers Association, the Consumer Council, Gramo (music rights group), and ISPs Telenor and NextGenTel. Their job will be to provide solutions to restrict illicit file-sharing and encourage an increased usage of legal services by June 1st 2010.

Of course, TONO will take the opportunity to champion a 3 strikes-style solution similar to that present in the heavily lobbied-for Hadopi law currently lying in wait in France, or the newly-passed Digital Economy Bill in the UK.

Furthermore, all the signs are that in the coming years the music industry will maintain its aggressive lobbying until it gets this type of mechanism implemented in all its major markets.

“The passing of the Digital Economy Act in the UK recognises that if a country is to have world-class creative industries, then it also needs laws that will effectively protect their rights from the crippling problem of digital piracy,” said IFPI chairman John Kennedy yesterday.

“The move by the UK creates momentum for the graduated response approach to tackling piracy internationally,” he noted, adding, “We hope this will prompt more focus and urgency for similar measures in other countries where debate is underway.”

For those readers who are still unsure what “similar measures” are – site blocking, warning letters sent to file-sharers and if they don’t work, Internet disconnections. New laws coming to you soon.

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  • ew

    first?

  • Anonymous

    second?

  • antiantipiracy.blogspot.com

    If anything happens and it becomes law, don’t start buying MORE stuff than you usually did.

    Mr. Music Indusrty, when you grow up, you’ll find out that FREE file-sharing makes people discovering your bands, and then they buy some CDs (I do that).

    How would it be possible to find a good band if file-sharing was impossible? Googling for ‘best bands on earth’?

    Come on, let us live.

  • h00wl

    they wont make it

  • anonymous

    may as well stop all ordinary people from having internet access now. as soon as one ‘industry’ person sees one thing on one site that is not liked, that site WILL be shut down. no maybe or remove something first. the same will apply to downloading. just waiting to see what happens when searching for info. will google or yahoo be in the same position? if not, why not. gonna get really heated and out of hand. thetrue colours are being shown now. after the stupid UK government agreeing to do their sheep act, and follow exactly what the ‘industry’ wanted, the rest of the world is next on the agender. this was part of what they have been after all along, despite the idiotic comments on this site to the contrary, running the internet is the ultimate aim and they are half-way there already. pleasing their customers and upgrading the prehistoric business model they have to join the digital age was never what they intended to do. it wont be long before the various governments realise what prats they have been made to look but cant do anything about it. wait and see!!

  • Anonymous

    my ideea don’t get any fees fro ma artists get a 500 buck salary per month and then make antipiracy laws,if they can aford to buy albums then,I will embrace the law,until then,only my favs will be baught and new bands tested…

  • Peter

    How is it that a lobby group can influence politicians to create new laws that they want?

    I think I would like to here from a politician on how this can be if they are supposed to represent the people.

  • Anon

    These people are sociopaths. Call them what they are and be done with it. All politicians speaking on behalf of a lobby need to be called on their misdeeds publicly. If these copyright groups think they can turn up the heat so will the copy left.

    Get aggressive. As much as I enjoy watching these copyright groups fail at every turn, it’s simply not enough. They need to be tarred and feathered digitally.

  • $deity

    I’m actively encouraging everyone I know to take their money away:

    … never buy another thing from any of the cartels that fund these arseholes that want curbstomp on your rights and freedoms.

  • Shareless

    Good news!

  • Goug

    Haven’t bought a CD in ten years. Not going to start any time soon either. The only way I am ever going to buy your music is if I can download an entire CD’s worth of music for $3 without DRM. None of that silly 99 cents a track BS.

  • we will not buy your shit

    we will not by your shit or go to cinema fail fail

  • The three monkeys

    Peter @ 7
    Haven’t you been told that? Some people are more equal than others

  • anon2

    just had a mail that told me that 48000 people signed to back a change to UK libel laws. the heads of all parties have pledged their support for this. i wonder what excuse they have for totally ignoring those that signed to get the UK DEB altered if not kicked out? there were thousands that signed to change this law, and that was before it even came in, not to change an existing law! obviously, the rewards to them for the DEB were much better. i sincerely hope that all MPs live to regret what they have done. all nations are fast approaching, if not already on, the steep downward spiral of allowing so important a right to be controlled by a single industry, one that cares for nothing and no one other than to promote its own greed. ‘big brother’ may well not be your government after all, but a huge conglomerate that has its headquarters in a completely different country! beware!!

  • Lucky Man

    are they out of their minds the more they gonna make laws then there are lot of ways to share files… who gonna give a crap about making laws since MPAA/RIAA created ridiculous prices in sales which they already made over billions since like 1958 or something like that. it is nonsense to me. if law changed then I won’t buy their stuff… only is rent and pirate that’s it.

  • Lucky Man

    I can actually share offline which mean do with friends, family, n some ppl that i could trust so i can make my own budget out of it. you guys have to work on prices for millions of ppl out there. there’s over billion of ppl on planet then why you overchange your expectations, RIAA/MPAA/etc… something similar…. you guys are biggest losers and dumbest anti-privacy companies on planet that I’ve had in my entire life. greedy & selfish about money. God didn’t created money anyway so don’t be one of evils…

  • some one

    Simple solution is use VPN like ipredator and no evidences and can not get caught :)

  • Trelew

    All this says to me is that they are going to be doing more of what they have been doing for a long time…bribing the government into doing what they want.

    Corporate lobbyist have better access to governments than the average citizen does. They have very deep pockets to give incentive (re:bribe) to politicians and senior government bureaucrats (who have more power than politicians because they don’t change with the whim of elections). When you add this in with the government culture of no transparency in what they do and no accountability for what they do; it creates a perfect storm of greed and corruption. Then something along the lines of Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely.

    This needs to be change, unfortunately, those in power don’t want to change and corruption continues. And the public suffers for it.

  • MeH

    Why oh why. Stop Piracy, Stop People Discovering New/Old Stuff, and Finally Stop People Buying Discovered Stuff.

    Ok then, so that means the only way to find music easily is through services like Radio, and through your friends. I just hope that the industries do actually make money from pirates and that pirates are customers too!

  • Reggit

    I dont have terestrial TV in my house…i dont have a DVD player – not even in my PC! Between external harddisks and wi-fi, ive never needed one. I cant afford the ludricrous prices the local cinema is asking (atleast rarely), i will not buy or rent DVD’s or music CD’s. The new laws will change nothing, these cartels will get no extra money from me. As people have pointed out though, my ability to locate new media that i may enjoy has been compromised, this means that they may have just lost what little money they did get out of me!
    Someone also pointed out that we could easily just go back to the ‘old ways’, put stuff on disk or on your phone to share with your friends.
    If these corrupt ‘people’ want more of my money they have gone the wrong way about it, passing laws the people of these countries dont want in order to pressure and scare them into giving up their money is shockingly wrong and will accomplish nothing, give people a varity of different formats of reasonably priced DRM free entertainment and watch your revenue streams grow!
    I often wonder how these retards got into positions of power when they cant see the blatantly obvious! =P

  • Reasoned Mind

    Unlawful behavior begets additional constraint and enforcement. It has always been so. We are all free to distribute our own thoughts and creations, free speech has not been impacted one bit by these new laws. It has never been fair or legal to copy and distribute the products of others. Never. That will not change.

    No one wanted these new regulations. Piracy and digital theft of digital merchandise has compelled this. Without piracy there would not have been these laws. Prior to Napster there was not even a mention of measures like these because up until that time, people respected digital products and the network was too slow to effectively distribute them.

    The internet will be settled in the way every new domain in the past has been settled. The last ten years were rife with unfettered piracy because governments did NOT want to do this, and it took 10 long years while industry was being ransacked to arrive at this conclusion. Be glad they studied this problem for 10 years before acting.

    If harddrive based sneakernet becomes the next means to piracy, pirates using those methods will compel harddrive registration and routine/random inspection. If VPN and encryption are used for unlawful behavior, they will be licensed too.

    Pirates remain in the minority, and the Pirate Party is a mere blip of free-for-all malcontents and will remain just so. Read your history and watch the Pirate Party stagnate. No one should ever believe that unlawful looting of product, digital or otherwise, will ever be tolerated.

  • Whatever

    @”Consumer Council” ?
    They never would allow them to an interested parties meeting in the Netherlands.

    @”world-class creative industries”
    Since the UK is now share free and the industry thrives there, it would be best for the UK not to encourage other countries. If others have the same advantage as the UK (law), UK artists will have to compete with other countries and the bonus billion a year income disappears.

    Then new laws are required for the UK to be ahead.

  • Zopatista

    I am not too worried if the ISPs and the Consumer Council are represented. Especially the Norwegian CC has a reputation for aggressively pursuing Big Business when it comes to consumer rights and proportional law. Remember that this is the same Consumer Council that took Apple to court over the iTunes EULA and DRM issues.

  • jovialau

    Same old…Same old.The time for talk is past.Everyone knows the problem.Get involved,get political.Join a party,support that party,make your incumbent ministers very aware of your wishes and that your vote is dependent upon them adhereing to the wishes of the majority.Not some arse sucking moneyed up lobby group.Do it now.Get organised or continue to be herded into pens,like sheep to the slaughter!!!!It has no merit to look for your gun when the enemy is marching across your front lawn!And for Gods`s sake get over this idea that VPN`s are a magic shield.They are AT MOST A “MEASURE OF PROTECTION

  • SMASH-TV

    23rd? lol

  • Only Me

    Even if they block torrent websites they can’t stop us sending mp3s by email.

  • Lif Woods

    Those music biz folks are really starting to get annoying arent they?

    Lif
    surfing-anonymity.br.tc

  • Name

    Don’t desperate people, they can do and vote whatever law’s they want as long as no one obey those laws everything’s OK ;)

  • wakeup time

    What we all need to realize is it’s not about piracy. It’s about internet/user control. (Every governments wet dream.) So, governments cooperate in this for their own benefit and screw their citizens without a qualm. The only thing the “industry”, understands is money but, once governments have their pet laws and “control”, they won’t give it up for love nor money without a full revolt from the citizens. It is truly a war and we are all in it. God save us all.

  • Letter

    We’re writing to you about downloading and sharing of copyrighted files on the internet. That’s because we’ve received a report that copyrighted music has been shared using a computer linked to your Virgin Media internet account.
    Reply
    I would like to cancel my Virgin TV,Telephone Internet Package etc Thankyou …send to

    Virgin media ltd
    Virgin media Cancelation Team
    PO box 333
    Matrix Court
    Swansea
    SA2 9BB

  • me

    29th?

  • nuder guy

    30th

  • Chad H

    Dont be so greedy, avatar made 2 billion in sales, pirating didnt hurt that a bit. it was a huge boxoffice year too, your actors are being paid and your bringing in record amounts, pirating helped expand your fanbase for these movies. i will buy avatar when it comes out because i saw it free online and enjoyed it. stick your thumb up your ass if you think im gonna pay 18 bucks to see it in theater.

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  • O

    work buy die!!! :)

  • Neato

    “They will instead put all their efforts into getting the law changed.

    Largely the effort has been to convince the courts that current laws are applicable to the cases in question, from the shutting down of Napster in 2001 through to the most recent criminal case in Sweden involving The Pirate Bay.”

    Why don’t they just make marijuana legal instead (watch emperor of hemp it would save the world)?

    TPB was legal when it was raided and servers seized which shut down hundreds of businesses. I still haven’t heard the recourse against them yet. I have lost ever bit of faith in the world as far as politics and scam governments around the world and society has failed most of us. There is no jobs here, things that are good they try to shut down or shut them down, they shut down and raid things when they are legal, and if they don’t like things they do illigal things then they try to change the law after they have already broken it. Ok 3 strikes in, mafiaa fail now so get off the internet we are tired of your sht.

    I will smoke weed and pirate just because the government everywhere is corrupt and they can suck my dck.

  • omg

    buy more ? ill just find a other way to share like i always did … fuck i was sharing before internet even existed on BBS how the hell can they think they can change that now that half the world share ….

    STOP THE LOBBYING INDUSTRIES !

  • Einstein

    @ # 7, Peter:
    ” How is it that a lobby group can influence politicians to create new laws that they want?

    I think I would like to here from a politician on how this can be if they are supposed to represent the people.”

    It is called CORRUPT politics and politicians. Just deposit a couple of millions (or thousands, depending on how cheap they are) and you will see your proposed law passed.

  • TerribleTony

    Channel 4 got three Labour and one Tory MP with a lobbying scam, and they can clearly be seen discussing changing laws for a couple of grans here or there.

    It’s endemic in the system.

  • Unauthorized Content Consumer

    It’s a great idea. Change the laws…driving business to VPN’s, etc.

    GREAT IDEA! This way you will never see another pirate again! xD

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  • gorehound

    Changing the laws will not make me go out and buy any of the crud that greedbag companies put out new.Never again do I buy a new movie or music or tv show boxset even if i love the show.NO MORE !!!
    I will buy used as I have said before.

    And they ought to be using their brains.Folks are getting smarter to the Internet and many youngsters do computers better than their parents.There will be repercussions if laws like this come to the USA.Revolution will be in the air.
    No 1984 in USA

  • antiantipiracy.blogspot.com

    @ 30 – Letter

    You, sir, are my hero.

  • dPsychc

    I ain’t never buying a single shit if they pass it in India. I shall boycott every fuckin’ capitalist who tries to sell any form of a art.

    Hope the Naxals take over!

  • p_c

    @Reasoned Mind

    You seem to miss one key point that most who ‘pirate’ would concede, that current industries have failed to adapt to the modern world.

    Current copyright holders are obsessed with ‘control’ of their work, while they should be concentrating on monetising it. It is too late to put the P2P genie back in the bottle, or to impose complete control over the system.

    You assertion that HDD searches, etc, will come in is simply bizarre, as we already have privacy laws to cover this sort of invasion.

    Fundamentally the biggest money making area of the Internet (and thus the voice most likely to be heard) is on line business, and that demand encryption. Attempts to ban that would thrown out without further consideration, and with it the means of controlling other sharing systems.

    Will you may feel the need to act as Devil’s Advocate here (other might sat a Troll, but at least a quality Troll) even you must realise that engaging in more of legal/technical Whack-a-Mole game with the pirates is not going to work.

    Yes, I agree that content providers need to be paid, and ‘free’ P2P is ultimately self-destructive, but the way forward is to develop enticing business.

    Look at allofmp3.com, it was earning money but rather than engage with it and get a share, the music industry fought for closure as it was not on their terms. You need to have terms that the public accept, not what you believe you deserve, or once could enforce by end-to-end control of the sales channel.

  • Afficianado

    Peter:

    How is it that a lobby group can influence politicians to create new laws that they want?

    That’s how corporate politics work.

  • Antony Hopkins

    Sorry MAFIAA no deal. As soon as you’ll have the law changed, we probably will share our files via television, sharevision, replicatorfax or some new technology which will be invented ;)

    History repeat itself; it’s just a dejà-vu with the cassette tapes, the VHS, the CDs, the DVDs, and all the rest.

  • acidik

    @8 that is what i have been saying for a long time, its time for pirates of the world to come together unite and take decisive action we need to show the industry heads that we are the ones who control their paychecks if all of us stopped file sharing and stop buying any media from stores for only six months the industry would b begging us to come back………….we need to band together as the close knit community we are and take action!

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  • guyfawkes

    what they dont realize is that these laws will be terrible to the general internet economy. startups like dropbox will get away from countrys with restricted laws. sites like wikileaks can be blocked, etc

    check this out:

    http://eu.techcrunch.com/2010/04/08/doublethink-the-digital-economy-bill-against-the-digital-economy/

  • Boy Cott

    @ 21 Reasoned Mind

    Well said, lad! Why should the cartels adapt and embrace new technologies, when their antiquated business models have fleeced both artists and fans for so long? Why should they take advantage of an infrastructure which may prove more profitable in the long run, when they can extort a quick buck right now? Why not cater to the needs of consumers, when upsetting them to the point of boycott is so much more lucrative? I simply adore your arguments, doomsday scenarios and attempts to justify every action by the poverty-stricken content Gestapo. Those poor sods! Lord knows, one can never drive enough Bentleys or own enough yachts. Since you seem to be so close to industry insiders, philosophically, spiritually, apologetically, phonetically, perhaps you’ll be kind enough to enlighten us. What are their current profit margins? After an artist receives his or her whopping 2%, what happens to the remaining balance? I can’t speak for others, but I certainly hope the studio executives are purchasing a higher quality of cocaine. They deserve no less for their diligent efforts…

  • whattaDOUCHE

    @ reason faagmouth

    clearly you are an idiot and a buffoon.. laws do not=morality..duh

    politicians are corrupt and bought, which in turn discredits anything they say and do period..

    your whole argument, and yes your douchey comments are far too frequent here, your a$$kissing perspective grossly unappreciated, is based on strict adherence to LAWS.. if the law-makers=corrupt, then by logic the laws=corrupt. you know this and choose to live in fear and denial, pretending to be an intelligent person. sad. grow up and open your eyes.

    idiot.

  • A Pirate

    Their goal is to get the majority of the file sharers to stop,coz they know they can’t stop file sharing in the entire world ,there will always be a third world contry with no strong piracy laws which can host servers and there will always be proxies and VPN services.I for one will share so super hard,and will make copied CD’s for all the family and friends ;))

  • J

    I’m pretty sure that the ‘law’ they’re talking about is ACTA. I’ve read that they expect it to be signed and ready to be implemented within a year.

    EU isn’t entirely convinced to sign it yet, but with a bit more lobbying, they will.

  • Fu@ck Em All

    Please explain how all of this blocking takes place.

    I’ve heard these A$$hats can block any site with one click. If thats how it works, why can’t we block them with one click?

    I’m assuming it all has to do with ISP’s but not sure. Anyone know how these Governments have acquired all of this power to enable them to shut down the internetz?

  • The Artist formally known as Winston Churchill

    I have, myself, full confidence that if all do their duty, if nothing is neglected, and if the best arrangements are made, as they are being made, we shall prove ourselves once again able to defend our Internet home, to ride out the storm of war, and to outlive the menace of tyranny, if necessary for years, if necessary alone.

    At any rate, that is what we are going to try to do. That is the resolve of all File Sharers-every man of them. That is the will of ISP’s and the Users.

    The Seeders and the Leechers’, linked together in their cause and in their need, will defend to the death their native cyberspace, aiding each other like good comrades to the utmost of their strength.

    Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the MAFIAA and all the odious apparatus of Corporate rule, we shall not flag or fail.

    We shall go on to the end; we shall fight on the Pirate Bay,
    We shall fight on the websites and search engines,
    We shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in our proxy, we shall defend our Internet, whatever the cost may be,
    We shall fight on the blogs,
    We shall fight on the Forums,
    We shall fight in the Fields and in the Streets,
    We shall fight in the hills;
    We shall never Surrender

  • Test

    Don’t forget fighting in the real world.

    On the streets, in paper media.

    Many of the politicians that are supposed to represent us, the people, hardly know how to check their email.

  • Traum

    We need new Riaa/Mpaa based government. They will stop pollution, wars and other bad things and it will cost only our freedom, cheap.

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  • Ralonto

    I wish them bad luck!

  • VPN

    There is no democracy, only money.

  • anon

    if the law isnt good enough, its time to get it changed, starting with the digital economy bill, then following with copyright legislations

  • mark ryder

    stealing why stop stealing we all know you want to steal and you think its good but when your house is broken into and all the contents stolen will you call is sharing or stealing ? because it will be used by others and maybe they will buy some more of the stuff they shared fro your house later on because they liked the stuff they shared from you so it good you don’t need laws to protect your home from thieves because you are one and its not stealing its just sharing and we should share so leave your house door open and don’t lock your car this is a feee word!!

  • UK Govt 1 – FS 0

    @ WhattaDOUCHE goodname, yes you are
    Corrupt {Politicans eh?

    Unlike morally superior steaking “filesharing Pirates eh?”

    One takes bribes to plug laws, one steals goods to justify their freeloading booty

  • Anonymous

    Somebody drop a nuke on Hollywood and end this already

  • Arklenao2

    Tracker Arklenao2 Backpack.

  • Anonymous

    Reasoned Mind is a ZOG puppet

  • Freeleech

    /yawn

    Human “laws” will always fail to affect filesharing for the very same reason they will fail to affect gravity.

    The freedom of information exchange is only natural. Like I said before, the war is over and we’ve won. Sure, MAFIAA may go on, attempting to fight against us. Why, they could as well try to stop a tsunami.

  • FTP/Pubstro’s Will Live on !!!

    one simple answer to this is back to FTP sharing :) stop that you faggots lmao

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  • Matt

    I am a video game developer; I have always worked for independently owned, private or small start up companies that have an idea, a love of gaming and a dream of making their idea a reality.

    I have never cashed a paycheck from EA, Activision, Take Two or any other multi billion market cap corporation in the gaming industry in my career, and I don’t intend to.

    Pirating, downloading, sharing or whatever term you prefer to use most, disproportionately hurts the companies that can least afford it; the small independent or indy developer who is putting everything on a single idea in an extremely competitive industry.

    Two of the small private companies I have worked with on projects were forced into bankruptcy, not by unfair contracts with publishers, but because for every copy of their product that was purchased legitimately, 4 were stolen through P2P networks. All of the titles were rated highly by both our customers and the gaming press before and after release. Unfortunately the developer only made 20% of what they should have, so what could have been profitable, became a liability that cost millions of dollars.

    The truth of the matter is that 99% of the people that say they are just trying it and they will buy it if they like it are flat out lying. If you are one of these people, be honest with yourself.

    If you are a gamer that constantly lambasts the industry for only producing more of the same drivel, for not innovating, only putting out sequels, or never taking a chance on anything original; and you download titles, you are the reason for the thing you complain about.

    Sharing or downloading a product is no different than walking out of a store with something shoved in your pants. While you may rationalize your actions by thinking you are sticking it to some billionaire CEO or company that can easily afford it, the fact is you are also to blame for some small business owner losing their company, their house, their marriage, their personal fiscal collapse.

    I also do not agree with lobbying or bribing our elected officials into passing legislation, no matter what it may be. I would much prefer people do what is right, pay for what you want or consume. Play the free demo, listen to the first minute of a song, if you enjoy it, purchase it. If you can’t afford it then raise some money, work extra, wait until the price drops, anything except steal it. Poverty is not a rational excuse for theft. 70% of the US economy is personal and small business spending. When you steal a product, it is more likely that you aren’t sticking it to a Bill Gates, but rather a Joe Smith, working his butt off and struggling to make a living doing something he loves.

  • Anonymous

    ^ @Matt

    [quote]When you steal a product, it is more likely that you aren’t sticking it to a Bill Gates, but rather a Joe Smith, working his butt off and struggling to make a living doing something he loves.[\quote]

    Nice try, but you forget little one

    WE ARE JOE SMITH, “working his butt off and struggling to make a living doing something he loves.”

  • Joe Smith

    @Matt
    [quote]When you steal a product, it is more likely that you aren’t sticking it to a Bill Gates, but rather a Joe Smith, working his butt off and struggling to make a living doing something he loves.[/quote]

    nice try, but you forget little one

    WE ARE JOE SMITH, working his butt off and struggling to make a living doing something he loves.

  • Matt

    Anonymous,

    If that is how you rationalize or feel better about stealing another Joe Smiths property and work, that is your choice and decision. Being disadvantaged doesn’t make your theft any more legal or righteous.

    Stealing by downloading, knowing you will likely not get caught is simple cowardice. Why not just go to a retailer and steal it instead?

  • Reasoned Mind

    The solution to piracy is to search everyone’s hard drive at random. I have nothing to hide.

  • Anonymous

    Obvious troll is obvious

    I’m on to you’re game “Matt”, go find another troll bridge somewhere else

    I will no longer feed you today

  • Matt

    It is rather simple to dissmiss the views of another through some internet form of insult, noob, troll, whatever your personal favorite is.

    It is more difficult to try to understand another point of view or accept that you are in fact a thief who lacks the courage or conviction to steal in an environment where there may be consequences to your actions.

    Call me a troll and dismiss my point of view if you wish. Or if you prefer, try to understand another individuals’ perspective and participate in a meaningful discourse on the subject. Maybe we will both learn something about what the other thinks.

    I responded to this article because it is a subject that I am concerned about, and impacts me directly. I am not so naive to think that anything I say will dissuade any of you from feeling you are justified in downloading a product.

  • croc o sheet

    All we need is a plane to crash carrying all the w@nkers who wanted this law made… fergal sharkey strapped to the nose cone the ugly little toothless prick.

  • Freeleech

    @72 Apr 11, 2010 at 01:20 by Matt

    Dear troll, be aware that I dismiss your pathetic attempt at trolling through an Internet insult: “troll”.

    /yawn

    Next!

  • Think about it

    @mark ryder
    Copying is NOT stealing, the original is still there. Think how it would be if you had to pay for ANYTHING you did that wasn’t COMPLETELY original. Crawling? Pay, you didn’t do it first now did you? Walking? The same. Talking? Pay, you KNOW someone else’s hard work into developing those words we use so freely don’t you? Have you ever whistled or sang a song you heard on the tv or radio? Who did you pay for the right to whistle or sing it? When an “artist” uses the style of another when s(he) sings a song or plays an instrument, do they pay that other “artist” for that style or technique? What about writing as I’m doing here, am I supposed to pay whoever developed our way of writing? As Freeleech said before me, “The freedom of information exchange is only natural.” COPYING doesn’t deprive the owner of the original, any more that taking a picture (photograph) of a painting is STEALING the painting, it’s still where it was for the owner’s enjoyment and use. Oh, and did you know that in many countries recordable media already have taxes on them to reimburse the copyright holders for unauthorized reproduction? There IS a difference between copyright infringement and theft or stealing, anyone wanting to equate the two is trying to simplify a subject that has multiple facets and nuances.

  • Parity Bit

    Matt,

    I am sympathetic to your cause, but your argument is based on a very flawed assumption. Even assuming that you are correct that there were four copies of your game downloaded for each one purchased (and I’d be interested to know how you managed to get an accurate measurement, that sounds more like a hand-waving guess to me), you then state that the game only made 20% of what it should have. Your argument further goes on to equate piracy with stealing, further demonstrating your flawed assumption – which is this: You incorrectly assume that anyone who downloaded your game would have paid for a copy if they were not able to download it.

    There IS a difference between copyright infringement and theft (“walking out of a store with something shoved in your pants”) – and it is that in the latter case, the store no longer has that something to sell, and thus is deprived of actual value (either from selling the item, or at worst returning it to the manufacturer for reimbursement of the wholesale cost.

    I understand where you are coming from; I’m a programmer myself. And I’ll grant you that in at least some cases, people who downloaded your game would have been willing to pay for it but didn’t – which does represent a missed sale. But I guarantee you, many of them would never have actually purchased it, and downloaded it out of mild curiosity. In this case, you have lost nothing, because there was no potential sale to begin with. You could argue that anyone who doesn’t pay your company doesn’t “deserve” to enjoy your game, but aside from your moral indignation the actual effect of those folks on your company is zero.

    Of course, nobody knows how many people fall into each camp, but your argument assumes that 100% would otherwise have paid for the game – I guarantee you that’s absolutely false. I’d be willing to bet pretty heavily that the proportion is well below 50%, likely even below 25. And I assure you that some of the people in that category are the ones who actually did go out and buy a copy after trying it.

    The bottom line is that your game didn’t fail because millions of people would have paid full price but downloaded it instead. Your game failed because there were only a small number of people willing to pay full price in the first place, and possibly a (likely small) fraction of those downloaded it instead. There were also millions of people curious enough to download it to check it out, but they were never gonna buy it anyway.

    Peace,
    -Parity Bit

  • chisophugis

    one of the guys on our side in the UK needs to bring the DEB hammer on Google.

    We’ll see what the MP’s (and millions of people in the UK) think of the bill when they can’t use Google!

  • Tez

    At the moment average joe feels relativly safe downloading so they do. If the record companies get there way then this will stop and the people who are prepared to take a risk or go to file sharing conventions etc will start to sell movies/music in pubs or work etc. The people who pirate will not pay full price ever again …full stop

  • someotherday

    they should first think that people in not-so-developed countries don’t always afford to pay for music

    and by this kind of actions they actually constrain libery

  • Ninja

    I’m laughing my ass off as I read this and the comments. I borrowed a CD from a friend who likes the same musical genre and I just ripped it. I’ll buy it if I don’t get tired of the songs for the next month. Or rather, I would buy if MAFIAA an merry friends weren’t complete jerks.

    Makes me laugh cause I really wanna see MAFIAA stopping file sharing. He said that if such laws are approved here we should join forces with a few other friends and each should buy one CD that others will just get and rip. And congratulations MAFIAA, you get 1/5 of your original revenue from our group – and I’m not even considering the groups we’d never know about if it wasn’t for file sharing.

    MAFIAA: failing hard to our amusement.

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  • Ray Fatsoma

    The DEB is ridiculously flawed. The negative repercussions on our society and economy as a whole hugely outweigh any potential gains from combating piracy in this way. It’s an insult to democracy by being so blatantly written and pushed through by lobbyists from the BPI and other “music industry” figures. It ignored the British judiciary system by assuming guilt in the absence of proof (IP addresses cannot prove guilt in a court of law). It jeopardises our young digital economy, by eroding the chances of gaining truly wireless cities, and removes any incentive to provide free wi-fi areas.

    What’s more, it is unlikely to have any effect on file-sharing, as is evident when you look at Sweden as a case study, where file-sharing has risen since their anti-piracy laws, just now it is encrypted. Instead the record companies who wrote this Act should be focusing on live music promotion as their primary revenue stream rather than protecting an old, out-dated business model.

    For my blog on the implications of the DEB please go to http://bit.ly/a5rnUk. Cheers.

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