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Finnish ISPs to Warn Pirating Customers

Following in the footsteps of the UK, Finland is preparing a new piece of legislation that will make it mandatory for Internet providers to warn customers who download music and movies without consent from copyright holders. The proposal is meant to cut down piracy in Finland but both pro and anti-piracy outfits have their doubts abouts its potential effectiveness.

finlandFinland is known as one of the most forward thinking countries when it comes to the Internet. Earlier this year Finland made a broadband connection a fundamental right of its citizens where every Fin has the right to at least a 1Mbps Internet connection.

In common with many other countries around the world, Finland also has to deal with an active pro-copyright lobby that wants the local Government to crack down on widespread Internet piracy. According to Elisa and Sonera, two of the country’s largest ISPs, the total number of file-sharers in Finland lies well above 50 percent.

To deal with this piracy problem the Finnish Government has now drafted new legislation that would require Internet providers to send warning letters to those who are suspected of illicit downloading. In this scenario, ISPs would be notified of possible infringements by investigation outfits hired by the entertainment industries.

The legislation is similar to that of other countries in Europe, such as the UK and France. The only difference is that the warning letters in Finland will have no consequences at all. They merely serve as an educational message, or a threat, depending on how one interprets the letters.

Because of this lack of enforcement power the local anti-piracy outfit is not too excited about the Government’s plans.

“The problem is that there are no repercussions with this model. A person could get ten letters about illegally sharing material online, and that’s it. This model is ineffective in our opinion,” said Antti Kotilainen, the director of the Anti-piracy Centre.

Finnish Pirate Party chairman Pasi Palmulehto, who generally disagrees with his counterpart at the Anti-piracy Centre, doesn’t think much of the proposal either, but for different reasons.

“This whole warning letter proposal is a clear sign of how far our government is on copyright organizations’ leash. The proposed law itself has no function at all. One can receive 50 warning letters without any consequences,” Pasi Palmulehto told TorrentFreak.

According to The Pirate Party chairman the letters would violate the privacy of Internet users as it encourages private organizations to spy on Internet subscribers. Besides that, the Pirate Party sees the proposal as a waste of money where, ironically, the entertainment industry will cut into their own profits since they have to pay the companies that will have to spy on Internet users.

“Most likely the warning letters themselves will have no effect on most Internet users, but those who actually get scared will probably start using secure and proxy/vpn connections,” Pasi Palmulehto said. According to the Pirate Party chairman there is only one way to deal with Internet piracy.

“There is no need for alternatives to the warning letter process. It is a complete fail and the public is better off without it. The only real alternative is also a long term improvement and that is to legalize non-profit file-sharing,” he said.

Despite the criticism from opposing sides, the proposal will be voted on in the Finnish Parliament in the near future. If it passes it could be signed into law before the and of the year.

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  • Finbar

    What waste of time. Even reading it seemed a pointless activity.

  • Antony Hopkins

    bah

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  • Trollface

    WAHEY :D No mention of TV Series :D I’m Safe!

  • Lord of all AND

    “If it passes it could be signed into law before the and of the year.”…the and of the year? Should looks something like this “AND” all big and bold….yep just gonna leave this here.

  • PiracyAddict

    Finland looks like a good country.

  • Nbitz

    The thing is… We the sharers will loose our commodities eventually. Since anti-piracy have lobbyists and well we don’t.

  • anonymous

    and another country bites the dust. more than that, it is bending over, grabbing it’s ankles and allowing itself, via it’s citizens, to be well and truly fu**ed by the entertainment/copyright industries and dictated to by outside influences. i still don’t understand how any country (UK included) can have such scant regard for it’s own people as to allow itself to be ruled by another, as if a war has been lost without even fighting.

  • Lothor The Evil

    “If it passes it could be signed into law before the ‘and’ of the year.”
    I believe it was meant to say ‘end’ of the year.

    And yet, just like the US and everywhere else, instead of enforcing existing laws, they just create new laws that do absolutely nothing to stop, deter, or even lower crime.
    But on the bright side, the entertainment industry will dip into their own profits to fund the investigations that will lead to taking NO action what so ever against file-sharers. Maybe then they will see how much of a waste it is to try and stop “piracy”?
    ….Naw, they’ll never learn.

  • Stinky

    All things begin with a first step.

  • finguy

    Finnish politics has been based on compromise for a long time. Compromise won’t work here, the government needs to take a stand and I hope they stand for freedom.

  • Jigsy

    Won’t be long now until this shit gets rushed through in the UK…

  • Tw@t

    And what if both those letters were sent in error? How many network printers are losing sleep over impending court cases for file sharing?

    The music and film industries need to invest some money in technology\developers and come up with an offering that is viable and acceptable in this day and age.

    It’s too obvious that 20th Century Fox are now 100 years behind, and so are all the rest!

    Give us decent, DRM-free music, that we can listen to on all our devices, at a price we are prepared to pay, and per track (none of this album-or-nothing-pish), and we’ll throw money at you.

    Or don’t and we’ll come up with our own solution, and you won’t like it.

    At least the Finns aren’t dropping folks off the internet for nothing.

  • 5318008

    Maybe the copyright organizations can get a law passed that will let them cry to their mommies about it some more.

  • Truther

    1 step foward 2 steps back I suppose. For every advancement like internet access as a right, there are unfortunate setbacks placed by people unwilling to accept change.

  • Whatever

    “According to Elisa and Sonera, two of the country’s largest ISPs, the total number of file-sharers in Finland lies well above 50 percent.”

    In a (real) democracy with more than 50 percent of people for filesharing it would mean that filesharing should be legalized and the concept of imaginary property (IP) abolished.

    (IP is like property in second life, Wow or other game. It’s traded for money but when the company stops the virtual world, it is all worth zero in the end)

  • Ninja

    Finland made it a fundamental right for all citizens to have internet.

    If they started to give in to these lobbyist greedy scums then that would be against that right, i.e. disconnect

    Don’t see this getting passed.

  • Ninja

    “…Finland made a broadband connection a fundamental right of its citizens…”

    Fundamental rights are fundamental. Don’t mess with them. Actually, you CAN’T mess with them lol!

    At least 1 country that is already out of MAFIAA’s reach regarding ordinary users… Dunno about bt sites though.

  • Pirat

    Wish I lived in Finland…see how many I could collect.

  • Anonymous

    The deal is that the entertainment industry should continue to entertain us and not threaten us.
    People vote a good movie with their wallet, not because they’re sued to like it.

  • StevO

    Wardrive until the world gets disonnected.

  • neostyles.reasoned.mind

    thou shall not steal

  • e m u l e

    ++ @15 50% would mean that split tie and so soon file sharing will overtake those that do not. It should be law that file sharing is ok because of this.

  • Anonymous

    we survived soviet’s in world war,we can survive this!

  • Traum

    that´s my word, =>

    22 Jul 29, 2010 at 08:45 by Anonymous

    we survived soviet’s in world war,we can survive this too!

  • Whatever

    It’s a trick.

    As soon as the useless law is in place they can then more easily go to the next step of disconnecting.

  • Hope

    An information free haven like in iceland, a public support for the Pirate-Party like in Sweden, forward thinking in the means of information-society like in Finland (usualy) and innovation and democratic freedom like in all of them including Norway and Denmark.

    I like Skandinavia! They should merge in there concepts, apply a new modern copyright-law based on ideas like “free culture” by Lawrence Lessig and I will happily move there.

  • Ettore

    This is awesome. The letters do nothing, we all know that. It will nickel and dime down the copyright holders who will probably be paying for these letters (in one way or another).

    Basically, it will be wasting their time, something they don’t have much of … little by little they are running miles of hurdles while we’re stacking them up miles away ahead of them.

  • Dia

    The letters would do something. They wouldn’t mean much to the readers of torrentfreak, but to the ordinary mother or father that downloads something illegal every once in a while they would be a big deterrent. I have been asked of one should stop downloading from TPB because of the then recent convictions.

  • Tomas

    @15

    IP doesn’t stand for imaginary property. It means “intellectual property”. It’s something that is not physically tangible but the product of intellect.

    For example a company I worked for recently went bust. They made computer games. Another company came along and bought the license for a franchise of games, because we owned the intellectual property to that franchise.

    That is, we had no physical object to show or to sell, but we had put effort into creating a storyline and a set of characters. We then owned the right to use these in our games. Anyone else wishing to use them would need to license our intellectual property.

    Things like CoD are IP. The original creator of the CoD series signed over the IP to their publisher (common in the games industry). What that meant was the publisher then owns CoD, but there’s nothing physical to show for that. They own the name, the premise etc. Sure they get physical discs, but that is physical property/assets and is also merely one series in the franchse. IP covers the entire idea of the franchise.

    It means they can then go to ANY other development studio and ask them to create a CoD game. That is actually exactly what they did. Same with Tomb Raider; originally made by Core Design, now made by Crystal Dynamics. Same with Broken Sword; orgignally made by Revolution Games, now made by Sumo Digital.

    I could go on. But the basic idea is that the publisher owns the IP, so they can give the rights to whoever the hell they want. IP isn’t physical but has just as much worth (maybe more, if you consider it covers current and future franchise media) as physical assets.

  • BoogerBender

    I’m confused @29 talking about what ip stands for. Isn’t it “Internet Protocol” representing an address for location of data transmission or did I eat way too many of my boogs?

  • finnish rulez

    what that MAFIAA are failing to see is that non profitable private copies made by “john doe” that they consider illegal piracy wouldn’t result in a buy anyway even if it was impossible to download a copy, because either it can’t afford it or because it is of very little importance, on the other hand if they like the copy there is a good chance of a buy when they get a chance of pay it. same goes for fans. now the problem begins when MAFIAA starts pissing on the fans and legit buying costumers that can also be downloading “illegal copies” of owned or not content witch in turn resume to anyone in one way or the other so basically the only thing they are accomplishing is destroying the people they represent with really bad reputation well i talk for myself i will never buy anything related to sony and several other company’s for the simple fact that i bought a sony ps2 and a educational dvd stamped by sony for my daughter and freaking thing will only play after i rip the dvd apart on the pc to take off drm and burn a copy of it, otherwise a sony dvd won’t play on a sony dvd player what a great way to fight piracy and in the end they have the nerves to tell me that what i am doing is not fair use but instead it is piracy because i am circumventing a protection system. so now i tell them take u’r trash and ill only deal with http://www.jamendo.com and similar because anything that have drm or a copy protection scheme on it i now consider it trash.

  • Tomas

    @30

    The fact my comment started “@15″ suggests it was in reply to 15.

    So why not read comment 15?

    Then you’d see this part:
    “In a (real) democracy with more than 50 percent of people for filesharing it would mean that filesharing should be legalized and the concept of imaginary property (IP) abolished.”

  • Andrew Norton

    Oh, Imaginary property is the best term. There’s no requirement for there to be any ‘intellect’ involved. Draw a scribble, write random words, all become copyrighted. Have a random idea that something might be done, but don’t bother using intellect to worry with the detail of HOW, that can be patented. So, rather than Intellectual Property, which doesn’t actually fit what it is, better terms are either Imaginary Property, or Intellectual Monopoly (while it doesn’t require intellect to create, it does act to prevent thought and work in certain areas due to the granted monopoly)

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  • Fredrik

    Copyright holders can disconnect from internet any finnish pirate according the current finnish law. Fundemental right for internet does not apply if person does violate copyrights in internet.

    Finland is ranked third place (3.) in worst police/copyright nations in whole world after China and Usa.

    “Copyright organizations in turn require a model in which musicians, actors and other creative professionals more likely to receive more compensation for their work. If necessary, pirate who break copyright law can cut off internet access and huge compensation to copyright holders.

  • Fredrik

    In Finnish law peoples who does violate copyright laws in internet are criminals and can be send in the prison for 2 years + huge compensation to copyright holders 100 000 euros/person (finreactor case)

    Finland is owned by copyright holders= MPAA/RIAA/IFPI and very dark future is ahead for all finnish. Most peoples does compare Finland to be second Usa in EU.

  • BIOS

    “and of the year” – typo

    While it is stupid to even consider this warning letter setup, I am very excited to see the idea of non profit file sharing being legalized. It makes perfect sense. Although it may lead to more people just pirating… What about all the consumers that do no pirate anything.

    How will it be fair to them that those who do not feel like paying for anything can get away with doing so?

  • Fredrik

    1. Spain 2. Ukraina 3. Norway 4. Denmark 5. Russia and 6. Sweden are world best places to pirates ;).

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  • Miz’

    oh’ great,,,
    another good reason to star looking for a new country

  • Whatever

    @29 and @32
    I would have called it Fantasy Property but the letters don’t fit the abbrevation.

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  • Anonymous

    Legalize file sharing NOW!

  • Anonymous

    When I saw this in the news two days ago my jaw dropped. I was annoyed that this has now made its way into my country.

    There is also a government plan to combine commercial efforts and public spending to make 100 Mbit/s connections available to 99.9 % of the Finnish population by 2016.

    In the mean time, the worst ISP in the world, Telia Sonera, has gone to court to weasel out of their responsibility to provide the guaranteed 1 Mbit/s connections to their customers.

    The law also says that the actual minimum is really 500 kbit/s for an average over a period of 4 hours!

  • homie

    finland looks great!

  • Im da finn

    Yeap yeap. There’s one big noticeable thing here. If you dont use dc++ or piratebay, you dont have to worry about the antipiracy notices etc. It’s no worth it to investigate person who shares “one movie” example, but when they see you have 100+ in your dc++ shares it’s lot more profitting.

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  • Old Fart from Finnish Woods

    As mentioned above, Finnish politics works on compromises.
    I do miss the earlier law, where non-commercial downloading was legal, as long as you didn’t share copyrighted works. Of course BitTorrent causes a small problem, because you share as you download, but one could argue that you share only random parts of the file, which don’t do jack shit on their own.
    Old law would be much better concidering everyone. People could download, Big Media could still go after a-holes trying to make money with their content, cops wouldn’t have to waste resources chasing kids downloading over 9000 Mikko Alatalo albums…

  • finnboy2010

    whatever. these laws come and go and won’t affect file sharing in any way. most probably more data will be shared, using private networks or whatsoever.

    been there. done that. seen this too many times. if anyone gets to pay mafiaa, it’ll be stupid teenager boys who don’t understand even the basic laws nor ethics of human life.

    and hey! you get to show your friends how many warnings you already had. these could be collector stuff in the future!

  • finnboy2010

    @45: afaik, downloading without sharing is still legal, no matter if it’s copyrighted work. read the previous law on this issue.

  • Det

    Wish I’d live in Finland… wait, I do.

  • finfag

    This is great news!
    When I first heard about this plan there was speculation of the penalties after the 3rd letter.
    And now it’s nothing, I set up VPN and VPNetMon for nothing.
    Well if they eventually change the law I’m prepared.
    While I wait for that to happen, I’ll try to collect some of those letters, for the kids need paper to draw on.

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