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France Starts Reporting ‘Millions’ of File-Sharers

This week the controversial French three-strikes anti-piracy law Hadopi went live. Copyright holders are currently in the process of sending out tens of thousands of IP-addresses of alleged infringers to Internet service providers, and this will increase to over a million in a few weeks. The ISPs have to hand over the identities of the associated accounts to the authorities within a week, or face a fine of 1500 euros per unidentified IP-address.

Under France’s new Hadopi law, alleged copyright infringers will be hunted down systematically in an attempt to decrease piracy. Alleged offenders have to be identified by their Internet providers and they will be reported to a judge once they have received three warnings.

A judge will then review the case and hand down any one of a range of penalties, from fines through to disconnecting the Internet connection of the infringer.

The French anti-piracy outfit Trident Media Guard has been chosen by the entertainment industry to monitor and report illegal uploaders in France. The company, known globally for its pollution of BitTorrent and other file-sharing networks with fake data, recently started tracking down thousands of illicit file-sharers.

According to a report from PCINpact one of the major ISPs confirmed that the first batch of IP-addresses was submitted just a few days ago. This is the final step before alleged file-sharers receive warning letters.

The scope of the operation is mind boggling. The copyright holders will start relatively ‘slowly’ with 10,000 IP-addresses a day, but within weeks this number is expected to go up to 150,000 IP-addresses per day according to official reports.

The Internet providers will be tasked with identifying the alleged infringers’ names, addresses, emails and phone numbers. If they fail to do so within 8 days they risk a fine of 1,500 euros per day for every unidentified IP-address.

To put this into perspective, a United States judge ruled recently that the ISP Time Warner only has to give up 28 IP-addresses a month (< 1 per day) to copyright holders because of the immense workload the identifications would cause.

All the major French ISPs have to cooperate with the identification process, and the first 'victims' are expected to be disconnected or fined in a few months when they receive their third warning. At this point it is doubtful whether Hadopi will in fact decrease the piracy rate.

There are quite a few options for BitTorrent users to file-share anonymously, and other download options such as Usenet are not monitored at all.

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  • InfiniteFail

    And the world fails just a bit more.

  • Anonymous

    how about for every day hadopi is around some young guys break some bank windows,etc.
    why not ???
    if i lived there i would be more than happy to join in on some anarchy.

  • David

    Just give them some faked Ip adressed!!!

  • Cobra

    “but within weeks this number is expected to go up to 150,000 IP-addresses per day according to official reports.”

    15 million in less than four months. One year and all French ISPs will have to close shop for lack of customers, who will have all rushed to the stores to buy Carla’s latest CD. Vive la France.

  • RRG

    this action is completely useless against serious file-shares

  • B

    What a monster.

  • Anonymous

    Ohhh, I bet the French ISPs are super-happy that they have to play the police on their own paying customers.

    LMFAOoooo!

  • Zush

    Is this law an invention by Sarkozy or are the other political parties involved? If they’re not, they better add “remove Hadopi law” to their election programs.

  • GrX

    everyone who gets a letter should stop paying for their internet once millions on millions do then the isp will tell them to go and shove it.

    money talks, enough people say fine i dont want your service anymore since i can’t use it for nothing but youtube and stupidbook

    it will happen in the millions once people find out they are paying for broadband from the isp which is classed as unlimited downloads un-restricted and super fast.

    funny how they don’t provide anything to use your broadband on legally

    something will give just wait and see

  • cracktro addictro

    @1 you have it right, pal. exactly right…

    this world must need more fail…

    my internet will be disconnected soon, as well as tens of thousands of others, and i will miss it when its gone, but there is no point in spending money on high speed if i cant DL whatever i want from it…

    do i care if yahoo news stories load faster? helltothemotherfockingNO!!!

    and no, i will not be purchasing media such as music and DVDs, because i can still trade with like minded individuals, and my next task will be to learn to rip high quality from DVD, and start borrowing movies.. cant be stopped.

    the big question is, once the internet is locked down, who will the industry blame when sales arent “what they should be”, even though they are still breaking records..?

  • aaaaaaaaaron

    If someone uses a proxy service, in france, wouldnt that make an unidentifiable ip address that surely cant be processed in 8 days?

  • GrX

    problem is when people are cut off from their daily internet people will boycott buying any media in anger and frustration as a protest since it’s the people they are giving money too for media who’s caused this global disaster

    so soon the world will just stop buying since everyone will be so pissed off and not want to give money to people who got them shafted in the first place.

    maybe this is a good thing the death of the labels

    and once all this is over maybe just maybe tax payers money will go back into something like err.. finding real criminals … actually thinking about it nah, that wont happen as that is quite sensible

  • Kirkpad

    Wait, 1500 euros PER DAY? That’s just bull****.

  • Anonymous

    The ISPs need to start encrypting their shit.

    This cannot be good for business. Time is money, and this is going to take a boatload of time.

  • w

    french people should start leaving PCINpact for some other ISP

  • no

    What do you mean “the first victims are expected to be disconnected or fined in a few months, with they receive their third warning”?

    You mean, after the victims have been accused, had their day in court, been convicted in court three times — THEN they’ll be disconnected or fined, right?

  • Dante.Xaiver

    To All of our French Comrades

    Stay strong Friends do not give up the fight, Show the assholes in power who really is boss. Show them all what you think of this bogus legislation.

  • Phil

    Does this mean that anyone who owns the tiniest smidgeon of copyright can use this law to get 100% legal to obtain personal information on any French IP address they chose?

  • Johnny

    The cost to process so many requests and loose so many customer will soon drive up the costs of getting an internet connection in France. Soon the country will compete with the third world in terms of connections per inhabitants. That also means less jobs in France.

  • G.F.

    Problem is, Hadopi is just a first step. Proxies might soon be useless since what is being prepared by the government is the internet censorship. The project leaked a few weeks ago: it was planned for quite a long time by the majors, and backed by the government and some ISP willing to take control of the online music market.

    So next step will be net filtering with deep packet inspection. Hopefully encrypted connections should keep us safe for a while…

  • me

    Some of us are arch hackers, destroy their shit, rip it to pieces, attack the government, steal national secrets sell it to Frances enemies and tell the purchaser why you are doing it so they in turn can tell France when that info is used against them.

  • annon

    a nation-wide ISP strike? if there is such a thing?

  • Dante.Xaiver

    People should terminate their ISP connections and isp workes should protest along side their customers.

  • mgf

    I wonder, at a rate of 10.000 to wopping 150.000 IP addresses a day, how many false positives will they get? That will be a huge huge mess they stire up! Where is my popcorn?

  • lorro

    Hmmm, is there any privacy in the world anymore, I know when I signed my contract for my internet there was a privacy agreement where my details would not be passed onto a copyright holder, only to the police if a warrant is present. This is just beyond stupidity. I guess that VPN, and usenet services will be happy about the outcome.

  • noko

    “a United States judge ruled recently that the ISP Time Warner only has to give up 28 IP-addresses a month”

    This makes it sound like 28 people need to be randomly accused per month…

  • a guy

    Attack the government with technology

  • Testus

    You say WHAT ? :S
    If we take that in large numbers ..
    One ISP can’t follow up on the 150.000 contact informations that they have to give out every day, they can get a fine on 1.500 euro’s for each contact information that they are behind ..

    150.000 X 1.500 = 225.000.000 EURO

    In other words, if even the biggest IPS’s in France can’t follow the big demands, they will be out of business in a few weeks :S

  • LOL

    Time for 4chan to DDOS the French government.

  • Decker

    This hits straight into the wallets of poor folks all around france, expect a full riot. Great job.

  • the.dwarfer

    the french wont stand for this. first person to lose in court, we’ll see burning renaults on the news, those frenchies love a good riot.

    imho bittorrent is slowly dropping in popularity anyway. people are moving toward streaming and one-clicks (i know i am)

  • nice

    France’s population is only 60 million….

  • tgchan

    hold on french!!!!!

  • Arne Babenhauserheide

    I hope they all turn to freenet. There’s scance chance of getting many user-addresses there, and it can provide a service similar to torrents and decentral tracker in one, but anonymously and safe from censorship.

    ? http://freenetproject.org

    I’ve been running it for years now, and it got better and more secure every year.

    The really paranoid can use it in darknet-mode: Only connect to people they know personally. Then it gets really hard to find out that you use freenet.

    But even in Opennet, it’s extremely hard to find out what you share or download. Freenet is built for the needs of dissidents in repressive regimes and to avoid any kind of censorship, so it delivers sufficient privacy and anonymity for filesharers.

    A word of warning, though: Compared to well-seeded torrents, freenet is slow. That’s the price of anonymity and privacy. But nowadays it’s fast enough for fansubbed anime and beats many weakly seeded torrents :)

    Maybe then the media companies will learn that the way to make money with entertainmant is to make it good and personal enough that people want to give them money to make sure they keep producing more great stuff. They could learn from Howard Taylor and Schlock Mercenary.

  • Anonymous

    what a pathetic waste of resources

  • avy

    lol… whatever , anyway they can stop.. how the fak they filter millions and million files to not download or upload! this its bull… we have crackers to fight whit this…Internet its control by us! What willl be the internet whitout us?

  • Panda

    Sarkozi… first they came for the Roma, now the French are up.

  • Anon

    And france fails once again…

  • Cujo

    ok lets do the math here

    42,315,424 internet users in France

    http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/IT.NET.USER?cid=GPD_58

    150,000 disconnects daily

    282 days to shut down France’s Internet

    http://www.turnofftheinternet.com/

    lol

  • geolittle

    Just a preview of the impending Global Police State.

  • hair trigger

    Nuke Europe, quick.

  • Anonymous

    this will not fucking stand in france theyll fuckign change this in a week. this country is about to go BALLISTIC

  • JV

    How to take down a countries internet

  • jd

    The French ISP’s should all deny internet access to anyone working in Government, and anyone associated with this.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if it runs these ISP’s out of business. They can’t afford to look up all this data, not even counting the insane fines.

    This is pure stupidity. What this Anti-Piracy group and the French Government are doing is pure stealing from the ISP’s (pure in that they are stealing actual money).

  • hahahha

    what the french

  • Spunk

    well i guess living in a third world country doesn’t seem sucha bad thing now coz we don’t have those kinda shitty ristriction over here
    Vive la liberté

  • kingalekz

    With all those facts (150000 Ip-adresses a day, which sounds like it is impossible to handle; 1500€ fines a day for each unprocessed IP-adress) it is quite possible that Hadopi turns out to be a massive failure.
    And hopefully it will be a precedent for the rest of the world to never implement a three-strikes-law.

  • NL

    There goes IP6

  • Acce

    Putain de loi à la con! Mes cousins français, protégez-vous, cachez-vous, mais continuer à partager des fichiers, car le partage c’est beau. C’est une vertu qui mérite qu’on se batte pour elle! Vivre la France libre…. de ces lois totalement abusives!

  • hulachez

    What will this mean for OVH seedboxers?

  • xxxxx

    is so a bullshit the laws they make, why not male a law with a that states that a dvd should cost not more than the 3 double in making it (averange dvd making price is around $1) and they able to ask you $20 so what is now stealing. governments suck and they take more and more away from you

  • lol

    Actually this might be a good thing in the long run. Think of all the bad information these guys are going to hand out.

    Printers will be fined libraries will be in trouble, no doubt police stations and government officials will be busted. And once more and more people start to get disconnected at least 1/4 of France will be without the internet.

    Then what will happen? More and more people will hack WiFi, the selling of pirated movies music games and software will rise.

    The people of France need to be cut off in the masses, just to prove how much of a fail this really is. Once isp’s start to loose 100′s of customers in a short period of time. The only thing that would be left for them to do is fight to stay in business, and that would mean standing up for their customers in a court of law.

  • PiRat

    You people still don’t get it do you?

    They don’t give a shit about profit, they just want control over the internet, I wouldn’t be surprised if they actually bankrolled P2P in the first place.

  • Random pirate

    What the FUCK!!!!! This is like “hello. Some guy stole a gum from my shop. Give me hisadress so i can burn his house!”.
    Fuck off france, fuck off usa, fuck off holywood!!! Im gonna be preparing a group for a mass internet cancelation. At least as a test, for 2 months, everyone without internet!! I know its hard but we can do this! STOP PUSHING THE WORLD TO AN END!! Its not our time yet, but that can change if you keep fking up like that!

  • xxxxx

    yep at least in asia we do have our freedom, not like europe or US

    and it is not third world country it’s just ASIA
    like US is just US

  • Lowlaif

    “well i guess living in a third world country doesn’t seem sucha bad thing now coz we don’t have those kinda shitty ristriction over here
    Vive la liberté”

    ^2

    Sometimes I hate where I live because of government inefficiency. Sometimes I love the freedom it brings.

  • xxxxx

    LOWLAIF, guess you never lived outside Asia??? scrap number 2 because trust me Asia is lots better no matter of the government you got your freedom and live is a lot more relax

  • Imaginarium Geographica

    i have dedicated server in FRANCE so there is chance that they will send “warning” to company that will send it to me?

  • NL

    Stil legaal here (fore now that is)

  • Anonymous

    Lol @ people thinking bittorrent was invincible.

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  • Random pirate

    “yep at least in asia we do have our freedom, not like europe or US” sure wait until the american lawsuit gets voted. They will be able to take down sites from all over the world.

    Btw, less internet=less google=less freeware. Its all a setup. I didnt rly believe zeitgeist until all this internet dictatorship started. I guess our future is ipad/pod/phone for all with 3g for surf/social networks and no pcs… Or at least no pcs with internet… Since we cant dl…

    Maybe 4chan should ddos the isp databases, or at least the reporting procedure

  • Jack

    This is THE solution to the IPv4 problem, just disconnect your users and you get more available addresses.

  • ROFL

    #4: “but within weeks this number is expected to go up to 150,000 IP-addresses per day according to official reports.”

    18 millon in 4 months – 27,5% of the population :))

    WTZF ?

  • richard

    another false propaganda…

  • Ninja

    Putting aside the fact that Sarkozy is a complete moron, this is laughable. I mean if you will send warnings to a whole country there is something wrong with the law.

    I wonder if French Govt wanted to play clown since the beginning…

  • Substrata

    Ridiculous! The amount of money in legal fees it would take to drag a million people to court would far exceed any so-called “fines” they might claim back! Any French readers here who receive one of these notices, send a letter back saying ‘PROVE IT WAS ME WITH JUST THE SET OF DIGITS YOU HAVE’… A court room nightmare I can tell you!

  • Ninja

    In time: also disconsidering the fact that Hadopi was shoved onto the French ppl throats…

  • dc!

    Just embarrassing their own country by tagging a large part of population as criminals.

  • 2211321813267219

    Cool story.

  • mustangx

    Poetic justice will be when the police and other government agencies get disconnected due to employees of each agency using their work connections to download a song etc.

  • seethe42

    It couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of people. It’s gonna be hilarious when Judges’ families and coworkers are identified. And you know damn well some of the politicains who did this will be caught in their own net.

  • Kyrah

    Not really because the POINT of the Hadopi law was to use a penal ordonance, which is faster because there is no judge involved.

  • kingalekz

    When there was the report that said like half of finland was pirating stuff on the internet, I said ‘So many people doing it suggests that there’s nothing wrong with the people but with the anti-piracy attitude of the government and the industry’.

    Same here. They are predicting 150000 IPs a day? Clearly, we are the ones doing the bad things.
    Sharing is something that should be considered normal in today’s society.

  • Countdown

    This isn’t the first time France has given in to fascists.

  • bye

    @68

    Haha, you know its will “never” happen…

    Generate IP address…. oups Sarkozy… DELETE.

    i’m very sure they will close the internet of who is not popular. Less trouble :P

  • Skeptic

    I’m French and don’t give a rat’s ass about Hadopi. Anyone with half a brain will be able to get around this stupid law (by using direct download for example). Only total morons will be caught.

    And who still uses P2P anyway ?

    Vive le partage, vive la France et vive notre gouvernement de demeurés !

  • Great Drak

    I just realized that since its 1500 euros per unidentified IP-address and 10,000 IP-addresses a day. Just one day of refusing to submit within the time limit will cost about 15million euros…. and thats just the first day . Imagine what an entire week of refusing would cost

  • bbnov

    LOL back to the market i wonder if my azn mate still selling on his little stand hrmm

  • anons

    DDoS Trident Media Guard!!!!

  • papa

    Download from filehosting sites such as megaupload, hotfile etc through a vpn and you’ll be fine

  • Kriegstreiber

    Normally I don’t have a lot of nice things to say (stereotypically)about the people of France. (Sorry, I just meet like 1 out of 1000 that ISN’T and arrogant a**hole. My problem, I know.)

    One thing I CAN say about the French is this: I doubt they will put up with this crap. They will take to the streets as they did before in protest. Modern France is admittedly a far cry from mistakes they’ve made in the past (most nations have made mistakes and still do.) I think they’ve become the fighters that they were meant to be. Never thought I’d say this in a forum but VIVE LE FRANCE! …at least the good people who reside there.

  • Anonymous

    @24 mgf

    “I wonder, at a rate of 10.000 to wopping 150.000 IP addresses a day, how many false positives will they get? That will be a huge huge mess they stire up! Where is my popcorn?”

    Hu, about 70%. 7,000 to 105,000.

    It is going to be a big, big mess!

    All those wrongly accused will freak out and terminate their ISP subscription since they will understand that this is the only way to make sure that they will not be bothered again.

    Also France is going to become the world capital of internet anonymity. Proxy, VPN and Deeply encrypted connection that even the CIA can not crack are going to become a French specialty.

    This unless their ADOPI shit does not work at all which is more likely.

    Already there is the problem of the cost. The law say that the government must pay the ISP to cover the cost of data mining who is substantial. Realizing how expensive it will be the government had make it clear that they will not pay. With th eexeption of Orange who is owned by Vivendic Univers-Sale all the ISP have declared that they will not release any IP info unless they get.

    If the government does not pay it will not be able to force the ISP to release any customer info.

    Sit back and watch the show! it is going to be fun!

  • The United Hackers Association

    everyone go file share and dont pay the fines

    the entire french justice system is about to fall

  • Anonymous

    @57

    “Lol @ people thinking bitorent was invincible.”

    I don’t know anyone who though that BT was invincible since it is a centralized system except for may be few morons like you. Edonkey mute, Ant, Winy to name a few are truly invincible.

    Neverless BT is still there and actually stronger since the introduction of the magnet links. And the Pirate Bay is still sailing around and I am still using it!

    Is it not enraging troll?

  • Anonymous

    I am using a shared 10gbs ovh seedbox in France…. Should i stop using it maybe….?

  • Aonymous

    VPN companies are probably jumping for joy.

  • Anonymous

    @21 by me

    “Attack the government”

    No. Don’t attack the government.

    Governments have just became pupets of the corporations.

    Attack these corporations instead:

    Warner Music (US), EMI (Britain), Vivendi Universal (France) Sony BMG (Japan and Germany), Time Warner, Viacom, Fox, Sony, NBC Universal, Disney.

  • Spooge

    Fuck the French

  • Matt

    The beginning of the end people. The first in a long line of what is to come. Obama wants and internet ‘shut off’ button for his use in times of ‘crisis’. Who determines the crisis? And Australia wants an internet ‘filter’. To filter what exactly? Freedom of the Internet is ending. It was only a matter of time.

  • General Snus

    Well I’m glad I don’t run an ISP in France. Immediately, two ideas come to mind.

    #1 Strike. Send email to every other ISP, tell them you’re planning a 24-hour strike for a certain day, and encourage them to join. On that day, shut down. See what happens when everyone loses their internet for ONE day. If people notice but the govn’t doesnt do anything, plan a second strike – this time for longer, with reasonable demands made, otherwise no service.

    #2 Other unrelated thought.
    A few people commented it would suck having to identify all those IPs, how much time and money it will take, etc. You guys really aren’t thinking that hard are you? If I ran an ISP, I’d write a program that takes the IPs and spits out the identity, it could be pretty much automated. It reads whatever logs that ties IPs to customer billing info, etc. Depending on how things are set up on my isps end, hat kinda format the list of ip’s comes in, and what exactly they want back, this might only take me a couple hours, but at most a couple weeks… and from then on I could feed it any list.

  • what?!

    hope these reported file sharers opted to be in prison than to pay sum of money, wonder where the government would put a million additional prisoners

  • Anonymous

    lets vote french pirate party!

  • TheEagleSquad

    Who cares? P2P is dead anyway.

    Long live Rapidshare! (Which can’t be controlled by HADOPI). This law was already outdated the time it came into effect. ;)

  • yeah!

    yeah being in a third world country is good for pirates, coz here in our country piracy never die, even after so many confiscation of cds and dvds even in malls, its maybe because politicians here profit from piracy also,.

    so for anti piracy group sorry but seems to me you cant recruit our leaders to support your cause.

  • FuzzyX

    I would like to see a million cases go to court. Justice would fall apart as murderers and rapists walk free due to no time to handle their cases.

    There will be many mistakes also. Even a 1% error rate means up to 1500 wrongly accused people per day.

    Things like people outside the country at the time.

    ISPs should send the government the bill. At 5 euros per case that is 750,000 euros per day.

    ISPs could say 150,000 per day is beyond their means and stick to 10 per day and refuse more.

    They could also turn off everyones connection in protest. Not good but France and strikes go hand in hand.

    Well they set a monster loose in France and it is only a matter of time before this law gets revoked.

  • Idea

    One way around this would be to infringe copyright on government networks, private networks, innocent people, everything you can. Eventually, the restriction of “kicking everyone off the Internet” will seem ridiculous and spurious.

  • dmeon

    @91
    “I’d write a program that takes the IPs and spits out the identity”

    Problem is that I think they’re gonna recieve these notices by either mail or email.
    The only way to _reliably_ go through these would be to manually read them.
    (And that’s the only way to verify that they are real, for that matter).

    And I’m not talking about just the IP address here. I’m talking about who made the claim, who they should respond to, what they’re infringing upon, etc..
    I just don’t see how they could fully automate it.

  • Dave Lister

    This is what you call an incredibly stupid law. Millions of voters harassed most often wrongly. No one wants to deal with such huge numbers. Then bad publicity will kill it.

    I would not be surprised if France soon burns.

    Still they always were stupid.

  • Kane

    Hi, I’m french… (sorry ¬¬)

    PC Inpact is one of our last news site who report the truth in a serious journalistic way, not an ISP.

    In fact hadopi is not the only one law this government, under the will of “widget”leon Sarkozy (sound better in french: “Nain”poléon).

    They are the DADVSI (equivalent to DMCA) and Loppsi too…

    ReadWriteWeb FR, Numerama and PC Inpact have enlightnened the whole plan of this government to control our web, they look at the China and that give’em wet dreams.

    So They promote unjust laws under false pretenses, such as “protecting our children by filtering out child pornography off the web” cuz everyone know that when you surf you quickly and randomly find child pornography website *irony intended*…
    In this case, if you face the facts, and try to fight these laws, you’re pointed out as a child molester by the government and “ye olde media” (like our ex national tv channel TF1, owned by a close friend of Sarkozy)… Just like a mediatized ÜBER-Godwin point.

    And the “lambda” peoples, don’t even give a fuck about this, they don’t realize that each day our liberty is dying and eat bullshits like brownies, and if you try speak about this they said something like “Oh, it’s internet… I don’t care”.

    One of the most amazing proof of our “1984″-like gov is in the Loppsi… They have made a law to rename the CCTVs, before it was “caméra de vidéo-surveillance”, and now “caméra de vidéo-protection” (I let yourself use google translate…).

    I hope Anonymous will ruin their action and spread the lulz… But I tend to turn hopeless and I am considering seriously to go abroad in Iceland.

  • THE GREATONE

    haha its about time they done this tomuch people boast about never have to buy stuff start disconnect :)

  • Anonymous

    You forgot to add something about Hadopi. You can also lose your Internet if you fail to “secure properly” your wifi.
    As far as I can say, Internet keeps people at home, locked in front of their computers. When they will lose their Internet, riots are gonna start everywhere. And if there’s one thing the french are good at, it’s rioting.
    I mean damn, if they burn cars at new year’s eve, just because they’re all happy happy, imagine what will happen when a few hundred thousand people get down on the street because they couldn’t get p0rn for several weeks…

  • sir lord baltimore

    They cut downloads but not the prices

    I took a world wide release CD

    US: $12.99
    UK: £7.99 (=$12.49)
    France: €12.99 (=$17.20)

    and it’s the same for everything
    DVDs, BRs, CDs, LPs, iTunes and even Books ($30 for a paperback, fuck them)

    and there’s no Netflix offers and other stuff like that available in France

    and I don’t even start with availability of undubbed US or uK programs on French TV, which is less than a 1% on all free channels.

  • liquidmonkey

    how on earth are the ISP’s going to handle this additional work load and cost?????

    oh thats right, the cost will be handed down to the customer.

    so in a few months, there will be very few customers left at all really.

  • Anonymous

    LOL @ sarkozy, seeing how sars-is-kozy was involved with these 2 things!!

    http://tiny.cc/Copyright_Infringement

    http://tiny.cc/DVD_Piracy

    The terrorist governments don’t know when to quit!!

  • homie.in

    about “Usenet”, here, a list of providers, offers, promotions and free trials: http://www.start-newsgroup.com

  • axe

    they track p2p.. right? but can u still use rapidshare and similar sites to dl?

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  • Arne Babenhauserheide

    Rapidshare is damn easy to take out:

    1. Tell the ISPs to kill any connection to rapidshare IPs. Catches 80% of the users, which is enough to cause massive harm to the ecosystem.

    2. Bribe a politician in whatever country rapidshare operates to force rapidshare to monitor IPs for 1 month and hand them over. If they operate in the EU or US, just go the legal way. They really host the files (different from Pirate Bay) and make money with piracy, so they will likely lose in court.

  • Liudvikas

    150k ip addresses a day? Now that is something. I doubt they can finish before the end of the century.
    Courts can’t handle that much cases no matter how simplified the process would be.

  • macoute

    Worldwide we need to start telling our politicians why we won’t be voting for them.

    It may take a while to build momemtum but it can change.

    Look at the Greens in Australia.

    We need a tech savvy party to do the same.

  • mike

    If this happens in my country (UK)i will never ever go to the cinema or by another dvd or album again just out of principle. Does anybody else think the french goverment are trying to bully there people even scare them? Its crazy i bet if a pirate party took part in elections in France they would win hands down its just a matter of waiting for re-election. I for one will buy a vpn service when this happens and i think its only a matter of time before isp’s start implimenting ways of hiding your ip in a package so you get an unlimited package they could offer you a package where they change you ip everyday which inturn makes you untraceable no law against that. There are soo many loopholes in the system this will never work.Technology is constantly updating the question is can these goverments keep up with it.

  • what

    I read laws like this and can’t help but wonder. How much more are we going to take before we just remove all these ass clowns from office? Governments around the world are failing. They need us. We don’t need them. The more I see this kind of stuff happening the more I am convinced that WW III is just around the corner. Sadly I almost welcome it.

  • TerribleTony

    Oh I’m sorry, but I thought we won the Second World War. It would appear that in reality, the Nazi’s won after all.

  • El Re

    Today it has been reported that French ISP “free” sent the requested names of persons on paper, to slow down the system and protest for not being reimbursed for the cost of identifying IPs.

  • El Re

    It does seem worse than that as Free could deliver the names of its customers one by one, in envelopes, to force Hadopi to manually handle all names.

  • me

    in darknet how does decentralization work? i mean there’s billions of ips address, but how can a computer knows which one to connect to without the guidance of a main server?

  • Crooks

    You break the law by taking without paying for a retail media product
    So glad this at last has consequences for the stealers – go those gorgeous frenchies xxx

  • dmeon

    I, for one, hope they also encrypt every envelope in sequence using 2048 bit RSA, so that they’d have to decrypt them all by hand. (in sequence of course, or they’d scramble the list). :)

  • TheEagleSquad

    @ 106:

    LOL “bribe politicians” “block the entire company” – that certainly won’t happen since Rapidshare has also a lot of business customers who would get mad as hell about the government in that case.

    And btw. what makes you so sure this wouldn’t also apply to the so much advertised VPN-Providers and Usenet-Companies?

  • RoestVrijStaal

    How more millions Frenchies got cut off the internet, how more votes Sarkozy and his UMP will loss in the next elections.

  • mike

    Ok so whats stopping the french people from buying a pay as you go internet dongle and signing up under a false name and address. This is not thought about at all. Also what happens when millions of users are stuck in an unlimited BB package wanting to get out all because there goverment is policing there country. This will kill isps in France. Anyone else getting sick and tired of reading about corrupt goverments. I can see this going badly people will rise against there goverments all because of this. Why cant the film companies join us at our own game. All because they know if they release films the same time they hit on torrents it will kill the cinema industry. Think its about time to knock the big screen on the head as 90% of people preffer to watch at home. kill piracy online then fine i will rent from lovefilms and copy all there stuff and hand it out to friends, family etc all for the price of a disk youll never stop it

  • Boba Fett

    1,500 a day?

    This is France. They declare a general strike and take to the streets if someone so much as asks them to answer the phone 5 minutes after office hours have finished.

    A great country to test how quickly this law fails totally: anyone fancy a sweepstake?

  • Anonymous

    @TheEagleSquad: Rapidshare is Dead.
    You’d know that if you were using warez, but obviously you don’t.

  • daniel

    Does this mean in France you are no longer able to view youtube ? Good luck figuring that one out

  • Jash

    Hi there, juste a french guy happening to pass by ^^

    Yep we have a governement of big morons, some of us voted for it, know we seems to be in line for a contest with iran and prc to see who’s freedom will be cut off the fastest…

    And you know what, the same thing is about to happen for the whole EU:
    http://www.laquadrature.net/en/deadly-copyright-repression-threatens-eu-act-now

    and last but not least, when I talk about that pile of bullshit to my friends the answers that come the more often are: “it’s not so bad, it’s juste internet…or if you did nothing against the law you have nothing to fear”

    I’m kind of desesperated of my own country, ready to sacrifice his freedom to gain a utopian security. Soon we’ll have our own version of the patriot act T_T

  • Aredt

    You ELECT a douche – you get a DOUCHE Governance.

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  • random pirate

    let’s see the next french elections lol…
    and also, stupid swedish people WHY NOT VOTE THE PIRATE PARTY?

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  • Jash

    easy to understand…it’s only internet

  • WhoME

    To much freedom of information has turned out to be a major thorn in a lot of big wigs sides.

    IN MY OPINION THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PIRACY OR COPYRIGHT!!!

    The powers that be have lost their power to influence.

    We are getting real information through alternate sources.

    NOT STATE DRIVEN LIES OR EDITED VERSIONS OF THE TRUTH!

    THINK ABOUT FOR A MINUTE.

    Power to the people….people

    DO SOMETHING, ANYTHING JUST START BY TELLING PEOPLE WE R ABOUT 2 LOSE WHAT WE LOVE.

    THE INTERNET,

    JUST ASK THE CHINESE, THEY ARE THE BLUEPRINT FOR OUR NEW GLOBAL INTERNET.

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  • dan

    So the entertainment industry finally owns and police’s France’s internet.

    Just think, what if they want the name and address of one of their enemies , well all they do is say they infringed copyright, get their address and then its easy to find them and black mail, stalk, kill them etc

  • Arne Babenhauserheide

    @117 TheEagleSquad: Who says that I talk about VPN providers and Usenet? Both are just as centralized as Rapidshare and just as vulnerable.

    I talk about the freenet project, which can already be developed solely over freenet itself. The network could even be improved if every developer on the public net were arrested.

    By using the darknet mode, people can make it very hard to detect that they use freenet (aside from having considerable bandwidth usage with encrypted data), so it is quite hard to attack.

    ? http://freenetproject.org

    Reasonably: Why would you trust any proprietary centralized service to keep your IP safe?

  • Y.A.

    The euro symbol. Use it.

    AltGr + E

    How hard can it be, FFS…

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  • Cobra

    http://www.numerama.com/magazine/16849_5-hadopi-800-e-mails-demandes-tous-les-fai-repondront.html#ac_newscomment

    Only 800 IPs targeted so far. Let alone 150k, even 10k is quite a long way…

  • Fatty112

    Usenet FTW

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  • @ Y.A.

    @129 – Y.A.
    “The euro symbol. Use it.
    € AltGr + E
    How hard can it be, FFS…”

    How hard is it to understand were not all narrow minded britts like you.
    AltGr + E does not work on my cpu you twit.

    Stop trying to control the internet.

  • Anonymous

    “The more I see this kind of stuff happening the more I am convinced that WW III is just around the corner. Sadly I almost welcome it.”

    WWW III is going to be a civil war. The corporatists against the people.

    The people will necessarily win because after the true hostility begin nobody will buy anything from any corporation and their entire system will collapse.

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  • Movie Guy

    Haha… you guys are joke. Mass internet disconnect, you’ll have the itch after a day. Internet is a way of life, I do not DL anything from anywhere. So for me, this in great, all you sharer’s will be off, my HULU/youtube streaming will be so much smoother. Thank god, people why are you mad, think of it this way, you’ll pay less for better speed. Who wants free loaders in their business anyway… most freeloaders are losers that live home with mom and dad, so cutting them off or them being booted off, same difference, thank god… LOVE THIS NEW BILL :)

  • Ezec

    @58 & @86 : Yes ! You should take care ! For the servers based in France, if the gorvernment wants to take logs, they just take !
    If the gorvernment wants the logs of OVH servers, they just will take them !
    Sorry for my english but take care !

  • Ezec

    @58 & @86 : I wanted to say that if you are using your servers OVH for P2P or things like that, you would may be caught ^^

  • Flyer

    I’ve boycotted French products for years – All the presidents of France had the idea that they were the new Emperors of Europe and that they can do what they see fit – First an A-bomb – the destruction of Rainbow warrior – and now all these antidemocratic laws and proposals

    Never buy French – no cars – no cheese – no wine – - go and have vacation else where – avvoid France in every way – That’s the only way to protest

  • Movie Guy

    protest what, people should pay for service. Whatever, you did not buy it, you have no right to complain. you pay for internet to have access to a portal for many things, but when did internet connection give anyone the right to take free software, music, and movies.. you want to watch a movie, pay for it, you want to listen to music, pay for it, you want the next Windows 7, pay for it. stop thinking the these things are should be free since some idots out their have no respect for business ethics. Revenue generates Tax, tax help economy, economy provides Job, Job provies pay check, paycheck provide security and so on… BE SMART, paying for your entertainment needs will only help global ressions, not hurt it.

  • Anonymous

    ^^yawwnn.

  • Anonymous

    @Movie Guy: We’re being SMART assclown.
    We get to review your movies crap and your music crap and your games crap before we consider buying it.

    99% of the time the result is crap tho.

    So don’t blame us for not buying the crap you want to sell.

  • Anonymous

    To paraphrase Anthony Ackroyd…

    Prisoner 1: What are you in for?
    Prisoner 2: Murder. How about you?
    Prisoner 1: I downloaded 26 episodes of The Brady Bunch.

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  • Doink

    viva la france

  • misio87

    I expect some major Hack pwnage on Trident Media Guard and the French goverment
    it’s silly enough that the french fine or send to jail for having fake gucci (and other) bags and shit

  • exiled compatriot

    i don’t know where all this is going to lead us to,but two things i’m sure of:

    1: my stupid compatriots ELECTED that stupid donkey.and they should have known better.the world was keeping a close look on them,and that was for a reason…

    2: i can see a lot of troubles coming out of this hadopi s**t.

    I just hope they will take to the streets to show that tyran ( i’m not going to call it a government because it’s not) that the term liberty isn’t a thing from the past in France.
    I’m glad i left my dear country just before that terrible election,and i hope they will sort themselves out of this one way or another.
    It kills me to see my country governed by absurdity and tyrany.

    KEEP ON THE FIGHT AND THE VALUES WE HAVE ALWAYS FOUGHT FOR FELLOW COMRADES AND BOOT THAT TYRAN GOVERNMENT OUT!!!!
    ( and for any favour,do not make the same mistake again…vote wisely!)

    VIVE LA FRANCE,MA DOUCE FRANCE.

  • Anonymous

    note to himself: never ever move to france

  • General Snus

    FYI, to get € on a US keyboard, hold down alt and type 0128 on the number pad (then release alt).

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  • Fisherman29

    (Another french passing by …)

    Hadopi is just a trojan horse. It’s not a big deal by itself.

    Internet filtering is a bit more annoying.

    The use of DPI technology will be the next step.

    Keep avoiding some kind of laws in your countries.

    You can still buying some wine and cheese. The hard-working men are not related to that.

  • Brandon

    who cares what France does. They are just a worthless shithole….

  • Fisherman29

    @Brandon
    ACTA is international. You should care about politics of your country.

    Try to protest until you can.

    If Hadopi is a success, other governments will study the opportunity to do the same thing.

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  • Grumpy

    Personally, I’m quite glad.

    France gets the economic and social costs from trying a draconian approach. The rest of us can relax safe in the knowledge that once this fails, no other government will dare to impliment something so stupid.

    Tough on French pirates, but then it’s not like it’s hard to not get caught…

    And, as has been said, them Frenchies do love a good riot!

  • T@rmenteD

    If ISP rats you out quit their service plain and simple it will stop very quickly that day, ill buy from my local dealer instead ;) 1 eur = 1 game

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  • Whatever

    History (related):
    France goes 3 strikes.
    EU wants to prohibit that.
    France makes a report with the same thing.
    EU passes the report (Voted for this report was mostly from the religious corner, i guess they want control too).

    This is the first time i ever heard of voting for a “report”.

    Ofcourse its the MAFIAA behind it all but when did the EU turn 180 degrees to please the French.

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  • Ruben Huges

    Well, let’s do a blanket subpoena. It’s obvious that 0.0.0.0/0 is filesharing.

  • Just use hosting services like megaupload, that way you are not sharing anything, just downloading, the responsible is the company hosting the files. And it is harder to sue a company than a normal citizen.

  • Nate

    Just a quick look at my new torrent of the last episode of Warehouse 13, and about a fourth of the peers are from France.

    Just how stupid can these people be is unbelievable. I highly doubt those who download copyrighted content will pay the fines (most don’t have the money to pay for a CD or they’re watching shows and listening to music that hasn’t been released yet in Europe, d’uh!) and if they start disconnecting them from the Internet, how are the ISP’s going to make money?

    Nope, I predict that when maximum a few thousand people will be disconnected or fined, the ISP’s will say “**uk this and your copyrights” and rally against the law. That is only if they actually go through with this s**t.

    Also, Sarcozy will be there :-)

  • Nate

    “If you’ve got nothing to hide, you’ve got nothing to fear” – that’s the most absurd statement ever. Stalin used it in USSR (the communists, if you forgot already)!

    If you follow it, the government will just take away your liberties little by little, until one day you’ll want to buy a phone, electricity generator or whatnot in private and will be arrested because it’s illegal to do that without registering with some office or agency and posting an ad about the purchase in your local newspaper.

    Then you’ll ask “WTF, Since When!?”, but it’ll be in vain.

    (OK, that may be a bit extreme, but it’s a good example).

  • Phoenix

    nothing good to expect from a nation who have someone like sarkozy as a president …

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  • Sarcozy

    Let’s see how many French teens martyr themselves over not being able to give away something they know is illegal to begin with.

    My guess? About 6.

    I wonder how many of you anti establishment folks read sites like this on work time at a corporation?

  • exiled compatriot

    lets put a few things into perspective here.
    Because france has the worst( i think he might be) president in the entire e.u doesn’t mean that the whole population is stupid or whatever.
    the election of that stupid idiot has more factors than most could ever understand.
    i think there was barely half of the population who actually voted to elct him.i can’t go into too many details because it would be too long and boring.
    to cut short a long story,the people that elected that donkey ( about under 1/4 of the french people) where so desperate to elect someone as president that they just went for the one who had the best programme.no need to say that they realised their mistake only after the election.
    now all that hadopi s**t is turning into a witch hunt.”kill the french”,”they are stupid”,etc,etc.
    now guys,try to understand that they do NOT want that hadopi just like you,they want a free internet just like you,they want to share things just like you…they are just like you and me.
    because their stupid government is acting silly doesn’t mean that they share their ideas.did you wnat to go to war against irak?did you want mandelson to pass that bill?what if everyone was starting to blame YOU for what your stupid politics were doing?YOU would find it unfair because you would say: ” i had no part in that whatsoever”.
    why don’t admit that the same could happen to someone else…?
    one mistake in a moment of weakness shouldn’t put you on the accused bench.
    THEY DO NOT WANT TO BE PART OF THIS AND I HOPE THEY WILL SHOW THE REST OF THE WORLD THAT WHEN IT COMES TO LIBERTY OF EXPRESSION THEY ARE STILL CAPABLE TO ERIGE SOME BARRICADES AND GIVE THE GOVERNMENT WHAT IT DESERVES.
    keep up the fight,guys.
    ALLONS ENFANTS DE LA PATRIE,LE JOUR DE GLOIRE EST ARRIVE…

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  • lol

    @161… Indeed, let’s see how many martyr themselves before they realise there are several ways to circumvent Hadopi.

    Sure, BitTorrent (without VPN or something similar at least) will die for them temporarily, but you underestimate the ingenuity of the masses.

    I’ve seen it happen, I’ve seen the evolution of file-sharing even before p2p existed, even before the Internet was in people’s homes, because I hail from a time when people used BBSs.

    The free flow of information, the will of the people, a few clever ideas and the paper the Hadopi legislation is written on will become toilet paper.

    Money that influences the offline world is little match for the intellect, collaboration, power-in-numbers and defiance of the online world.

    And many of us share our own creativity with others for free, so our standards and perspective isn’t hypocritical.

    Bah, go back to greedsville with it’s diminishing population of redundant corporate middle-man dinosaurs!

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  • me

    #162: “now guys,try to understand that they do NOT want that hadopi just like you,they want a free internet just like you,they want to share things just like you… they are just like you and me.”

    So why aren’t they on strike to take down HADOPI? French people are famous for their strikes, so why not here, where it really counts?

  • ExiledOne

    Kinda makes me glad I moved to Brazil, who are actually debating legalizing Filesharing.. seems like one of the only places going the right direction on these matters lately.

    But wow the French are fucked, utterly fucked.

  • the d

    So first the burka, now the illegal downloading?

    Here’s a police state, if you ever saw one.

    Btw, with this stuff happening, I won’t be surprised to see some sort of an understanding between the extremist muslim and the hacker communities.

    Mark my words, the people will have our revenge.

  • Anonymous

    First batch of answers was already sent by a French ISP.
    By mail.

    No, not by email. Regular mail. One IP per letter.

  • Nate

    @169 Are you serious? Hahaha, they have their emails and phone numbers (where they can actually track the delivery) and they send paper mail notifying them about infringement.

    Now that’s a good way to waste money. Can you say, “I did not receive such a letter?” :-)

  • Guy

    To the guy who said we should attack “Warner Music (US), EMI (Britain), Vivendi Universal (France) Sony BMG (Japan and Germany), Time Warner, Viacom, Fox, Sony, NBC Universal, Disney.”

    If only it were so simple. To some extent I can agree, but the thing that is so often forgotten by those who want to get their music for free are those artists who have zero live presence, but have worked really hard (I’m not talking about simple pop music) to make some incredible music and would like to be paid for their work. There are very, very small record labels out there trying to get off the ground and support the creation of music that is way off the beaten path – music that would NEVER be picked up by giants like Warner or Sony. If there is no money in it, we are going to see less and less music made by intellectuals and virtuosos. Music will be dumbed down or more complex music will be made only by the independently wealthy.

    The main thing lacking in the “let’s download everything we want and even some stuff we don’t for free” movement is that it lacks compassion for the starving artist and assumes anyone with an album to download is already a millionaire.

  • Anonymous

    @170: No, no, I meant, the French ISP sent IP addresses and informations to the HADOPI. :)
    Since they’re bound to answer to HADOPI’s request, an ISP answered…

  • Guy

    I should also mention that I support the artists I like by actually buying their music. And I’m lucky because I can do so without supporting Warner, Sony, etc. I can give my money directly to the artist. I would never consider downloading their stuff for free and having them stop making the music I love!

  • Fisherman29

    I don’t care about P2P, VPN, whatever.

    The main point is privacy.

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  • lol

    @171…

    re: “If there is no money in it, we are going to see less and less music made by intellectuals and virtuosos.”

    If there is no money in it, we will be left with artists who aren’t in it for the money… but are in it for the art.

    If there is no money, there’s no encouragement to fit a genre, no need to match a demograph, no need to become cliched, no reason to produce cookie-cutter, formulaic tunes designed more by successful algorithms than anything to do with art and/or creativity.

    Maybe music makers that aren’t successful enough to make money from gigs should be looking at the artform as an artform rather than a business… and find a regular job to support themselves.

    I support myself (and feed a family) with a regular job whilst producing free music and free software. It’s not difficult, it just requires absense of greed. ;D

  • Anonamoose

    Is there someting incidious in this las that means the person who pays for the conection is responsible for it’s use?

    If not then they still have no case.

    They are not able to identify the “criminal” only bill payer.

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  • Glouba Caramba

    @177 : Actually this law doesn’t condemn sharing nor copying.

    As you pointed it out, it would be difficult to prove which member of the family was downloading latest (hopefully last) Johnny Halliday bullshit. What is condemned through Hadopi will be a new infraction, the “lack of protection” of your internet connection.

    Yes, I know, it seems stupid. You know why ? Because it is !

    But there’s still hope. In the redaction of the law and its application decrees, there are so many failures I seriously think no-one will ever be condemned.

    Anyway the goal is elsewhere : having people fear Hadopi, having artists supporting our nasty little “president”, having nice images on TV of what happens to internet terrorists who download latest (last, hopefully) Johnny Halliday’s album…

    The trouble is, Sarkozy is our George W. Bush : no one will understand why, but he’s gonna be re-elected in 2012, despite his lies, despite his many failures, despites his rudeness…

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  • Anonymous

    Vive la révolution, et dehors le fils de pute

  • Anonymous

    I am ashamed of my own country for not facing the reality : we knew already there was no democracy, but the politician do not even try to pretend anymore. SOMEONE OVERTHROW THESE CORRUPTED CLOWNS OUT.

    That son of a whore of Sarkozy faced the fact that he can’t control the internet as much as he can do it with the traditional media, which are all barking in chorus the song the mafia tell them to. This dog perfectly know everyone hates him, and he realized that WE SHARE THIS on the internet. He is an impostor.

    I mean it’s obvious after the false economic crisis set up by the banks that they want to destroy OUR beautiful europe, so they can probably obey the USA or whatever, possibly in another cold war against the chinese.

    Cut off the crap, we have to inform as much people as we can than this travesty must stop.
    AND REMEMBER : LEFT WILL NOT SAVE YOU. They are set up just to fail the election, they are corrupted to the bones. Just look up at Mitterand, a fucking petainist and a megalomaniac traitor who issued secret orders to watch illegally over people, threaten them, and sometimes kill them (Balavoine, Coluche, and some more)
    DO NOT TRUST THE LEFTIST TOO. WE MUST OVERTHROW THESE BASTARDS BY EVERY POSSIBLE MEANS AND AVANCE TOWARD THE 6TH REPUBLIC. TELL YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR FRIENDS.

  • Def

    1.Copy paste ips of all isps in France x 3

    2. Cash inn.

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  • No More !

    It really makes me sick so disappointed am i in the free world. Not by dictatorship, but by the greedy hands of the music and movie industry is freedom repressed. To have a European and national government that does not protect against, but enforces corporate greed is saddening. The once so cheered over freedom of information, brought by the internet is being turned into a commercialized marketing system. We have build this internet. We (I) will fight for our freedom. And you better realize the shitstorm that is coming if you stand in our way. Because we (I) will make this personal.

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  • very

    cool story bro!

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