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Google Gets Involved in BitTorrent Search Engine Lawsuit

Over the past several years many BitTorrent search engines have claimed in court that they’re “just like Google”, another search engine that allows users to find information scattered around the web. All this time Google itself remained silent on the issue, until now. The search giant has involved itself in the MPAA vs. isoHunt case recently, but not completely to the delight of isoHunt’s owner.

google pirateIn May last year the U.S. District Court of California issued a permanent injunction against BitTorrent search engine isoHunt.

The Court ordered the owner of isoHunt to start censoring the site’s search engine based on a list of thousands of keywords provided by the MPAA, or cease its operations entirely in the U.S. The injunction was the result of isoHunt’s protracted court battle with the MPAA that started half a decade ago, in 2006.

IsoHunt owner Gary Fung decided to implement the filter, and is now up for an appeal at the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. There, he hopes to get the law on his side and quash the previous District Court ruling. IsoHunt argues that they’re just like Google – a neutral search engine – and hopes the court will decide that the keyword filter is needless censorship.

The appeal is currently ongoing. Two months ago isoHunt filed its opening appellate brief to the Court, requesting better protection from such mass copyright lawsuits for both isoHunt and other search engines alike. Even Google may face similar censorship threats if the injunction holds up, isoHunt lawyer Ira Rothken argued.

Google has been keeping an eye on the legal battle between the MPAA and isoHunt as last week, out of nowhere, the company unexpectedly got involved in the motion for summary judgment appeal. The search giant, which has always stayed far away from these types of cases, filed an amicus cuiae brief (third party testimony) at the Appeal Court.

“This cases raises issues about the interpretation and application of the safe-harbor provisions of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C. § 512 et seq. (“DMCA”) and common-law rules governing claims for secondary copyright infringement. Google has a strong interest in both issues,” Google’s counsel writes.

Google asked both isoHunt and the MPAA studios for their consent in filing the amicus curiae brief. Interestingly enough, the movie studios didn’t want Google to take part, while isoHunt was more permissive. That doesn’t mean, however, that the brief is in support of isoHunt’s case, not at all.

In fact, Google specifically states that it agrees with the District Court’s conclusion that the isoHunt search engine induced copyright infringement. According to Google isoHunt can be seen as a true “pirate” service and no objections are made against the Court’s final decision.

What Google is worried about is the reasoning the District Court used to reach its conclusion.

“While in agreement with the result reached in this case, Google is concerned that some of the reasoning offered by the district court goes too far and would upset the careful balance between copyright protection and technological innovation struck by the Supreme Court and Congress. Particularly because this case is not a hard one, it should be decided narrowly,” Google writes.

Google argues that there is plenty of evidence that isoHunt encouraged its users to download copyright infringing content. However, in the discussion on the relation between inducement and liability the Grokster standard is ignored, especially the question of whether the inducement led to direct infringements or not.

Google wants to address this because they fear it may otherwise lead to a negative outcome for themselves.

Another major issue Google addresses is the District Court’s analysis of the DMCA’s safe harbor and the inducement of copyright infringement. According to Google this discussion can severely impact ‘legit’ businesses like YouTube.

“As with its treatment of inducement, the district court’s discussion of the DMCA reached the right result but in a problematic way. The court complicated a straightforward DMCA case by wading into an unnecessary discussion of the relationship between the statutory safe harbor and judge-made principles of secondary liability, including inducement,” Google writes.

Google states that it is apparent that isoHunt doesn’t fall under DMCA safe harbor protection, since it failed to meet several of the requirements, so a detailed discussion and conclusions with regard to liability and the DMCA are not needed.

“In short, the question whether a defendant is eligible for DMCA protection is distinct from whether the defendant is liable for inducement under Grokster. Those two questions should not be conflated, as the district court appears to have done,” Google writes.

Google further addresses various issues that they feel are not needed to arrive at the verdict, but can negatively impact other services on the Internet. Several of these conclusions are the result of suggestions made by the MPAA movie studios, which Google claims are misplaced and incorrect.

Although isoHunt’s owner was initially happy to see that Google got involved in the lawsuit, the end result is a huge disappointment. Google clearly doesn’t agree with the assessment of isoHunt that they are ‘just like Google’.

Google taking part in the MPAA vs. isoHunt appeal is mainly done in their own interest, but in doing this they make some valid points which are important for torrent sites also.

Google notes that the DMCA comes before any secondary infringement liability, such as inducement for example. In its ruling the District Court said that inducement disqualified isoHunt from DMCA safe harbors, which is strange as that completely defeats the purpose and definition of “safe harbour” for online service providers.

TorrentFreak contacted isoHunt owner Gary Fung for a response. Fung appeared to be disappointed, but couldn’t comment on the implications the Google brief could have. His lawyer Ira rothken was asked for a comment as well, but didn’t respond. It is now up to the Appeal Court to decide whether Google’s suggestions and comments will be taken into consideration.

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  • lulz

    They’re doing the right thing in separating themselves but still trying to correct the misconceptions that the MPAA is trying to get into the books. I think they did good here, even if they aren’t helping Fung.

    • Annie Moose

      I have to agree. As disappointed as I am that Google didn’t come out in favor of Isohunt, I understand their reasoning. For business reasons they obviously can’t support Isohunt (boo!) but at least they did try to clear things up (yay!). Maybe the court will actually listen to Google…

      • http://crashsuit.blogspot.com crashsuit

        New Google slogan: only do *a little* harm.

    • Ninja

      wow! It’s not the best outcome for isohunt but it’s epic in it’s own way. It may set precedents for other torrent sites as long as they don’t explicitly encourage the infringements. But even that is doubtful since even if you separate into categories, there are “TV shows” that are free. There are “Games” that are free so the real issue would be how far MAFIAA’s twisted interpretation can go and how deep the courts will take the madness (or the bribes).

    • Ninja

      wow! It’s not the best outcome for isohunt but it’s epic in it’s own way. It may set precedents for other torrent sites as long as they don’t explicitly encourage the infringements. But even that is doubtful since even if you separate into categories, there are “TV shows” that are free. There are “Games” that are free so the real issue would be how far MAFIAA’s twisted interpretation can go and how deep the courts will take the madness (or the bribes).

  • lulz

    They’re doing the right thing in separating themselves but still trying to correct the misconceptions that the MPAA is trying to get into the books. I think they did good here, even if they aren’t helping Fung.

  • politux

    Typical corporate game of “Cover your ass” by Google.

  • politux

    Typical corporate game of “Cover your ass” by Google.

  • Qqqq

    Google was smart, isohunt failed.

  • Qqqq

    Google was smart, isohunt failed.

  • dfjadkf;

    Google’s just covering its own ass. They participate in copyright infringement every time you do an image search on a copyright-protected image, logo, dvd cover, etc.

    • http://nannirk.net/ Marius Krinnan

      Kind of like how a library helps you pirate audio books by letting you borrow them?

  • Qqqq

    By the way Google is lying, Googe encourages piracy while isohunt does not.Just type copyrighted band and album name and google will give you suggestions like “band album mediafire”

    • guest

      Complete Rubbish. Google’s search suggestions are based on common searches calculated using their algorithms. They comply with DMCA notices, however isohunt don’t.

      • politux

        Actually, isoHunt has a robust takedown policy. They are a far cry from the Pirate Bay.

      • Qqqq

        The result is what matters and it encourages.Do the same in a blog search, first result will always be a link for download.

        • Ulgh the Caveman

          Google uses more camouflage than isohunt. More than most other “copyright inducers” on the pro-copyright lobbiests hitlist.. MAPAA. RIAA will take on the easiest targets first. Google is just protecting their interests by selling out the competition, using sites like isohunt as pawns to block the inevitable attack on their own interests. typical chicken-shi+ political correctness on Google’s part.

      • Anonymous

        Google’s search suggestions are based on common searches calculated using their algorithms? SO. WHAT. The end result is the same; Google actively encourages piracy through their search engine’s auto-complete feature. Just because it’s automated, it doesn’t count? Uh huh. Isohunt is automated, too. And once again, it’s obvious that Google mostly ignores DMCA takedown notices. Why do you think they still index The Pirate Bay? Because the MAFIAA hasn’t been asking them not to!?

        • Sun W. Kim

          Its pretty clear based on isoHunts top searches cloud, that the use of the web site is exclusively for piracy. You look at Google Zeitgeist and what people use Google for is completely legitimate. Google is used for piracy sometimes, but it is not what it is mainly used for. isoHunt screwed themselves by revealing what search terms were actually being used. They could have also generated fake robot visits to the web site making it look like it was a legitimate search engine (like Twitter’s trending keywords). This would make the top keyword search cloud useless, but they would could make a stronger argument that they are just like Google now. See, our site is mainly for good (see our search terms) but we can’t help it if users sometimes use it for piracy.

      • Anonymous

        Google’s search suggestions are based on common searches calculated using their algorithms? SO. WHAT. The end result is the same; Google actively encourages piracy through their search engine’s auto-complete feature. Just because it’s automated, it doesn’t count? Uh huh. Isohunt is automated, too. And once again, it’s obvious that Google mostly ignores DMCA takedown notices. Why do you think they still index The Pirate Bay? Because the MAFIAA hasn’t been asking them not to!?

  • Guest

    Maybe this will end the ridculous belief that Google is somehow on the side of pirates

    • :/

      Seriously.

    • Spectator

      Noone ever said that Google is somehow on the side of pirates.
      Google always has been on just one side … their own.
      Currently Google is just popular due to the usefulness of their services their offer apparently free of charge because people fail to grasp the worth of their personal data as a currency. Once alternatives have been arosen and people have become more sensitive about privacy, it will be Game Over for Google.

  • Bugsy_b

    Not sure how justice is served by suing Gary Fung. ISOhunt is merely a search engine. There are no actual files being hosted on their servers. It’s tantamount to trying to sue torrent clients like Vuse, µTorrent, or BitTorrent7 for making it possible to access “intellectual property” being shared.

  • U7

    This is why I don’t use Google. I use DuckDuckGo – it’s results are just as good as Google’s. Fuck Google, I’m NEVER using them again.

    • Reader

      I tried using DuckDuckGo recently.
      But a major let down was seemingly a lack of an image or video search feature..
      Heck, to search for images, you need to use commands such as “!image ” if I recall correctly, but that just takes you to Bing’s image search results(potentially ninjad from Google).

      • fuck google

        or use mamma.com but it don’t correct your spelling / word

    • Anonymous

      Too late, my new phone already has Android on it.
      Same for the browser chrome, and the email client, Gmail I use.
      Oh and their ads that are on every page.
      And YouTube, and Google earth/maps.
      And *sigh*

      Google has influence everywhere.

    • Anonymous

      ahahahha typical troll

    • Anonymous

      “it’s results are just as good as Google’s.” LOLOLOLOLOLOOL

  • Glenndoe

    It was through Google I found uTorrent and Vuze. It was through Google I found isoHunt, The Pirate Bay, Demonoid, and EZTV. It was through Google I found Limewire and Frostwire. It was through Google I found hotfile and rapidshare. It was through Google I found the link to download The Expendables and The Hurt Locker. Google helped show me the way.

    • Aussie

      A friend gave me a link to a custom google search just for torrents. Pop in the show/movie you want, it spits out just torrent links. In pretty much every case it spits out isohunt at or near the top of the list.

      So how is that different to what isohunt themselves do?

      • Anonymous

        Because Google don’t actually serve up .torrent files from their own servers?

        And because your ‘custom search’ is not neither their sole or even primary search function?

        And because they actually enable you to search for other things and not just torrents?

        Just sayin’ is all…..

        • Aussie

          OK, fair enough. I personally think its splitting hairs to say Google is different in any major way, thats all.

          They DO provide searches for torrent files as part of their primary function, the custom link I have simply filters everything out. Whether or not its their primary function, the fact it is possible is enough for me to show its fundamentally little different to isohunts search functionality.

          I search from Google, I get a direct link to the torrent file. Same as searching from isoHunts front page.

          I see a motorbike and a car and see different forms of transport, but they still work on similar principles.

        • Anonymous

          Sure, Google *can* be used to search for .torrents, which may or may not be torrents of lawfully- or unlawfully-shared material.

          But that is certainly not their sole or primary function, and it probably accounts for a tiny fraction of their day to day traffic. They also don’t store or serve these .torrents from their own servers.

          ISOHunt on the other hand *only* provides searches for .torrents, which again may or may not be torrents of lawfully- or unlawfully-shared material.

          That is their sole or primary function, and it probably accounts for near-100% of their daily traffic. And they do store and serve these .torrents from their own servers.

          Your custom link is just that; yours, and custom. It has been designed to filter out the results that you don’t want precisely because indexing .torrent links is not Google’s primary function, and they would probably otherwise provide an overwhelmingly large number of results which are not .torrents.

          “They DO provide searches for torrent files as part of their primary function” may be technically correct, but that can be said of any file type they index. They provide a search and indexing service that covers a huge range of content and file types. Not just one specific type.

          Don’t get me wrong here, I’m not on the side of anyone trying to censor results or shut sites down, and I believe in a fully open and transparent network where anyone is free to do and publish what they want (and I certainly don’t think that Google are the ‘good guys’). But, comparing Google and ISOHunt and trying to claim that they do the same thing or provide the same service seems wrong to me.

        • Anonymous

          So if I setup a search engine for car parts. But allow people to search through “optional” child porn. I would be clear of any legal charges because my primary search results are for cars?

          Didn’t think so…

        • Anonymous

          Obviously not.

          The point is that Google is a search engine which (at least theoretically) indexes any and all content, not a particular type of content, such as your car parts example.

          And you can bet that if Google did happen to index and occasionally provide results for CP that they’d comply pretty swiftly if they received a take-down notice.

          They already remove or omit stuff for which they receive valid DMCA notices. Have you never seen the “one or more results were omitted” notices they return sometimes? Of course, ISOHunt also remove stuff when they receive a valid notice so there’s no real difference there.

          This is not a black/white issue, and I’m all for sharing. But for a torrent-indexer to claim that they “are just like Google” is simply naive or fallacious.

        • Anonymous

          You’re grasping at straws to come up with some way that Google is really any different from Isohunt. The crux of the matter is, should search engines be held liable for the content they index?

          Isohunt is just a catalogue of user-uploaded material. Google is just a catalogue of user-uploaded materal. Some of the content infringes copyright, some of it doesn’t. But Isohunt is getting burnt at the stake for the copyright infringing material it catalogues while Google gets a free pass. That isn’t right. They’re equally guilty of the same thing, so either they should both be punished or left alone. Punishing one well leaving the other alone, however, is total hypocrisy.

          It doesn’t matter what Google’s “sole or primary function” is. Isohunt’s “sole or primary function” isn’t copyright infringement, but their ass is still being held to the fire for it anyway. By the same logic, so should Google’s.

          Anonymous’s car parts/childporn anology is spot on, even if you’re trying to pretend it’s not. Whether you’re infringing copyright as your primary function or just as a “hobby on the side” doesn’t make it any more or less illegal, and for the record both Isohunt and Google are doing it on the side. Copyright infringement is the primary function of neither.

    • sherboil

      Yeah, in the same way the taxi “helped” me get to the drug dealers house.

  • Seeder

    Maybe Google would like a taste of censorship. It would be amusing to see alternative search engines start surpassing Google because so-called “pirates” boycotted it and started using different search engines.
    An unlikely scenario, I know, but it would be funny.

    • Glenndoe

      Google is part of the big corporations. Down with the big corporations. Down with corporate America. Up with we the people. We will prevail!

    • Glenndoe

      Google is part of the big corporations. Down with the big corporations. Down with corporate America. Up with we the people. We will prevail!

  • Anonymous

    I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but isoHunt is not winning this appeal. 9th Circuit Court in the US will favor MPAA off the bat since they just love sleeping in bed with them. Just like most other courts in the US too.. So, 9th Circuit isn’t the only one, but they are the very least likely to vote in favor of isoHunt. I’m not saying I like the filter, I truly don’t, but Gary’s mistake was filing it in the 9th Circuit in the first place.

    • Seeder

      uh…Gary didn’t file in 9th circuit court…the MPAA did.

    • Travelsonic9

      I didn’t know you were psychic, Anon…

    • Travelsonic9

      I didn’t know you were psychic, Anon…

  • http://dptlc.blogspot.com/ Mr.Phallus

    Reminds me of the days when dumbasses thought that adding “For educational purpose only” protected them from the law…

    • Qqqq

      Good times

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  • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

    The fact that google and isohunt are both search engines doesn’t mean anything. Google indexes billions upon billions of legitimate websites (a tiny fraction of them are file sharing) , where as isohunt searches dozens of sites that contain almost entirely copyrighted content (or torrents for copyrighted content.)

  • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

    The fact that google and isohunt are both search engines doesn’t mean anything. Google indexes billions upon billions of legitimate websites (a tiny fraction of them are file sharing) , where as isohunt searches dozens of sites that contain almost entirely copyrighted content (or torrents for copyrighted content.)

    • brudda

      This seems to be the obvious point that everyone here is missing…

      • Anonymous

        So BitTorrent is evil now when most people use it for copyright infringement?

        I am doubtful when both FTP/FXP and IRC/XDCC and more have had some very serious copyright infringement in the past and even now. Hell even a very large part of the Internet’s total data transfer can be marked as “stealing files”.

        If you conclude BitTorrent is a legal data transfer format, not unlike the rest, then why hate a service that can search all the files on this format? Your problem is that if the search system acts neutral then you cant separate the two. So BT is indeed legal and so are the neutral services that search BT.

        The only problem is after transfer format selected, and searching all files on that format, are the small number or high number of copyright infringement files.

        My point is that a large number does not show desire for copyright infringement and you are just jumping to conclusions. Only a judge can examine all the data and conclude if that was their goal or not.

        And for Google is legal lovers then what would Google return if they only indexed torrent files? You can certainly get Google to do that and then they are not much different to the services you claim are illegal. The only difference is that Google can search much more than the BT format which dilutes the very same problem BT files with none missing.

        So jumping to conclusions of intent is your problem but then even a judge can do that one.

    • Google

      “isohunt searches dozens of sites that contain almost entirely copyrighted content”

      And therein lies the problem. It’s +almost+ entirely copyrighted material, but it’s not +all+ copyrighted content. The results depend on your search terms. If you search for ‘Fedora Linux’ you’ll find ‘almost entirely’ freely distributable content. It is the responsibility of the individual to choose their search terms, and thus choosing your search terms on Google will also narrow results to what you’re trying to find, be it legal or copyright-infringing.

      What seems to be on trial is the legality of search engines which target a specific filetype, namely torrents, as opposed to +all+ filetypes. If a search engine is only deemed legal if it searches for more than one specific filetype then a simple shift for torrent sites to return results for additional filetypes would be sufficient in legal terms to stop this kind of action.

      As far as I can tell the ordering of the results doesn’t have any bearing on the case, so if ISOHunt just returned generic ‘google-style’ results, but placed all torrent links at the top of the list it +should+ be fine – at least until manipulating search results becomes illegal, at which point Google will be in legal hot water itself.

  • Anonymous

    LOL, Google just has to get its two cents in now doesnt it? lol.

    http://www.being-anon.eu.tc

    • Next

      SpangoRango…. SPAMo

  • Notme

    Google is wrong and they should have pushed back the MPAA much further than they did to protect their ass.

    Beside that this is typical corporate psychopathic selfishness showing that google is not different from the others corporations of parasites and represent a danger to our society.

    Google will be destroyed too.

    • Anonymous

      One day maybe someone will surpass their search technology.

      And perhaps it will be IBM and Watson (if Google don’t buy it, that is).

  • MiamiVice72

    These isoHunt people are fucking disgusting mobsters. They profit from piracy. I think online piracy is inevitable and private copying is hard to fight due to Freedom of Speech issues, but profiting from these immaterial infringements should be a corporal crime. Put those dirty scumbags who run this piracy-fueled company to prison, until they are sorry for each penny they made from stealing the living income from thousands of hard-working American laborers. If nothing else helps, just follow the suit of the Marc Emery case. Canada can not forever harbor these lowlife criminals, and they will bow to pressure from the US. That’s really the only thing that differentiates them from other countries without rule-of-law like Russia. A disgrace to the Western world.

    • Jay

      Ouch, sounds like you were personally affected by piracy. So was I. My works get pirated hundreds of times for each legitimate download. But, what can be done? Without some kind of extreme breach of civil rights, it will continue. The only thing I can hope is that there are those that realize how hard it is to create something from nothing, and are willing to pay. As far as I see it, I only have an obligation to paying customers – 9 times out of 10 the pirate wouldn’t have paid for my work anyway, regardless of whether he had money or not.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZWE2Q73BLEIMNNQZJXA6JG7THY 68785602

      The internet is for communication not for money making we have a lot of company’s that make freeware Ubuntu Free OS Open office people need to get up of there asses and work do some thing productive not for financial gain just because you can!

      Money Is The Root Of All Evil

      Google is a lost cause bit by bit it will do any thing to make MONEY

      Sad

      • Nospam

        Money isn’t the root of all evil. The saying is..

        The LOVE of Money, is the root of all evil.

        Which Google still do, so your point is still valid.

        just sayin’

        • Jay

          I like “Alcohol: the cause of, and solution to, all of life’s problems.” – Homer Simpson.

          That has nothing to do with this subject, but I couldn’t resist.

        • Rikmond

          Well, by the way alcohol is not a solution but a destillate…

        • Rikmond

          Well, by the way alcohol is not a solution but a destillate…

        • Rikmond

          Well, by the way alcohol is not a solution but a destillate…

        • Rikmond

          Well, by the way alcohol is not a solution but a destillate…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZWE2Q73BLEIMNNQZJXA6JG7THY 68785602

      The internet is for communication not for money making we have a lot of company’s that make freeware Ubuntu Free OS Open office people need to get up of there asses and work do some thing productive not for financial gain just because you can!

      Money Is The Root Of All Evil

      Google is a lost cause bit by bit it will do any thing to make MONEY

      Sad

    • Not Merkin

      Let’s be fair here. Microsoft profited from piracy. The software used to create some of the sounds in Windows XP was pirated – a widely known case. So for every single copy of XP they sold they made a direct profit from piracy.

      So why is it OK for a huge US corporation to get away with it? Where was your amazing ‘merkin rule-of-law when they were doing that?

    • anon
  • MiamiVice72

    These isoHunt people are fucking disgusting mobsters. They profit from piracy. I think online piracy is inevitable and private copying is hard to fight due to Freedom of Speech issues, but profiting from these immaterial infringements should be a corporal crime. Put those dirty scumbags who run this piracy-fueled company to prison, until they are sorry for each penny they made from stealing the living income from thousands of hard-working American laborers. If nothing else helps, just follow the suit of the Marc Emery case. Canada can not forever harbor these lowlife criminals, and they will bow to pressure from the US. That’s really the only thing that differentiates them from other countries without rule-of-law like Russia. A disgrace to the Western world.

  • Jay

    Gah, someone needs to simply create a web domain that links bittorrent files to a refined Google search. Kind of like “LMGTFY.com”

    Let’s see Google take a stance against themselves at that point.

    • NeonGen

      BRILLIANT!! I will design a PHP widget for it, shouldn’t be hard with “ext:torrent” or “site:piratebay.org” and such. :D

      • NeonGen

        And to top it of, it will use LMGTFY.com to face-f*ck any google employee that might come across it. :P

  • Joeblow

    everyone in this article go out and make a file sharing site

    k?
    Thanks

  • StevO

    Well, Google is actually makes software too. Its just currently free. They plan on wiping out their competition first, then selling their stuff. Like Walmart. They already have a Browser, trying to by-pass Adobe player, chipping away at microsoft office, trying to dominate the email, phone apps, internet service provider, Google talk(killing Skype and ISPs telephony), and well the list goes on and on. They are making lap dogs out of its users. How long do you think before they try an operating system? Do you seriosly think they wont be coming after your pocket books too? They are simply THE BIGGEST THREAT to the internet and to other companys. And as of now, using “free” as their weapon. They will hold hands with the MPAA and the RIAA simply because they want content to sell. It wont be long. “Divide and conquer.” Thats the Google modo.

    • Lordfury007

      Google already has developed an operating system :P

      Its only for specific computers though…

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000011216374 Joshua Strobl

      You apparently have never heard of Chrome OS. It’s only available to run via building then using VirtualBox or their CR-48 laptops (pilot program).

      A bit of research before you actually post would help a bit. Just saying…

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  • Crushing Free Enterprise

    Classic predatory capitalist Fascism where the biggest corporations dominate and the small enterprise and free speech get crushed by the state.
    Google is the only site that ever led me to the contested files on isoHunt.

    “no objections are made against the censorship filter that was ordered.”
    How come they don’t implement this censorship filter themselves then ?

    Google is financed by the state-sanctioned CIA drugs cartel.

  • Whatever

    Why would a Canadian website be subject to any US law at all ?

    Maybe US websites selling guns (or refering to US gun stores as they probably won’t get send by mail) should be prosecuted in other countries because selling guns and bearing arms is illegal in big parts in the rest of the world. Or US porn sites prosecuted from some middle eastern countries. Or sites of anything todo with cow meat taken down by India.

    Anyway the Google saying of “do no harm” is out the door for sure now.
    Google money principles: Base in Ireland to evade tax, help Chinese to censor, be against sharing and for DMCA unless it’s their own Youtube (and a lot more)…

    Time for a P2P based real neutral search engine.

    • Fg

      wow i never quite thought about it like that +1 to you sir for making a great point

    • David Cameron

      Your sentiment is correct, but ISOHunt are affected because it was hosted on servers in the US, so it fell under their jurisdiction. If ISOHunt had simply hosted their servers elsewhere it would never have got this far.

  • Gargamel

    So much for “Don’t Be Evil”

  • Guest

    Hey guys geohot is asking for donations to fight sony. He’s trying to set precedent, have OS reinstated and work a deal to provide homebrew. Here’s his link http://geohot.com/
    How about spreading this link around, it would be fantastic if it went viral. Thnx.

  • Pkrisnin

    Yeah Google just tired to cover their ass. In the US money wins case like this. They even made the government change the law just to win cases. So what is Google saying ISO hunt is guilty but the guilt shouldn’t include them.Cooperation controls everything in the States.
    MPAA didn’t want to go against Google, it be the clash of 2 titans.
    If Google thinks it can just sit on the sidelines, think again, MPAA will come for Google after they have have enough case precedent under their belt. By then Google will be standing on its own. ISO hunt should have know Google would not side with them.

  • Neotoasty

    I’m beginning to think the message here is that, there needs to be something better thought up than to use the old “Just like google” line.

    Granted, Google shouldn’t act like they’re the one and only search engine that’s perfectly untouchable. I see them as hypocrites, while they may look at other search engines like ISOHunt as evil assisting piracy. Google should take a look at it’s own indexes.

  • Neotoasty

    I’m beginning to think the message here is that, there needs to be something better thought up than to use the old “Just like google” line.

    Granted, Google shouldn’t act like they’re the one and only search engine that’s perfectly untouchable. I see them as hypocrites, while they may look at other search engines like ISOHunt as evil assisting piracy. Google should take a look at it’s own indexes.

  • Anonymous

    This one is funny. So Google got involved and then bitch-slapped ISOHunt, the former judge and then the MPAA in their legal review. Don’t worry ISOHunt when Google is not the judge and just distances themselves from a problem service.

    And yes Google and others should be worried what with courts censoring services involved in searching for files. Google could easily be next.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=537120430 David Boulton

    Fuck it, let’s just do away with searching all together. I mean think about it – what happens when torrents no longer exist, and everything is DHT/PEX? Then, the companies WILL go after uTorrent, and Vuze, and any website that searches these networks.

    Sites like IsoHunt can only pretend to have legitimate intentions for so long. At some point, they have to admit that whatever they think their site should be used for, it’s being used for copyright infringement.

    This problem has become so conflated due to the fact that we’re all pirates, and most of us don’t want to admit it. We should stop trying to dodge that reality and instead, we should incriminate ourselves, thus bringing the legal and financial systems to their knees. They really can’t arrest/fine everyone.

    • NeonGen

      Apart from the large portion of pirates that just download and don’t care. There is a significant amount of pirates that do care, but are pirates because it gets labelled as that. Many of these people want to see a system of intellectual rights come about where one has the ability to preview before buying.

      Much like in traditional media people can often watch trailers, hear on radio, see on TV or posters. And based on that make an informed decision whether the latest album of an artist is worth buying for example. This is a goal many of those ‘Pirates’ would like to see getting implemented.

      But this will mean people are able to see how crappy the next album might be before they buy it. So it’s obviously not an advantageous goal for media corporations. Because they have to put effort in for example making films and not show the 5 minute trailers that show the only 5 minutes of film worth watching.

  • Guest

    google sucks try http://duckduckgo.com/ better with more privacy

  • http://www.louigiverona.ru Louigi Verona

    I was never fond of “a torrent site is just like Google” for a very simple reason – in Google you can search for anything, but on a torrent site the range of what you can search for is limited to music, video, software and other files – in other words, to things you can download. It is clearly not as Google, which gives out not only files but mostly information. So a “file search engine” is clearly different from “search engine”.

    • Qqqq

      It is just like Google.Google being generic, and isohunt specialized does not make them essentially any different.

    • Yaaaaar

      So you think that when you view a website you don’t download a file? I think you’ll find you download a whole host of files – hypertext markup language (html) files, image (jpeg, gif, png, svg) files, script (javascript) files, video (mov, avi, wmv, flv, asf, rm, divx etc) files, sound (flac, wav, aif, mp3) files, other media content such as swf and a load of other things.

      So for each of Google’s links it’s actually pointing you to a huge selection of actual files, not just information. The ‘information’ is merely the text on webpage or the metadata held in a file, but ever single page out there is built up from a collection of other files.

  • Pirate

    I have solved my sharing problems by carrying around my Pirate Box. It’s easy to make and I have had great success trolling libraries, cafeterias and other public place where people use wireless.

    Pirate Box is a DIY project where you can set up a temporary Wireless LAN network for ppl to share (obviously legal) media. You drop it some place, people use it, pick it up and drop it some other place and so on… With thousands of boxes everywhere, all of them unconnected to the net, sharing ans caring can go on unrestrained!

    Just check them out, it’s crazy easy to make!

    http://wiki.daviddarts.com/PirateBox_DIY

  • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

    I’m stunned.
    No way is google getting my search queries now. First they censor their own autocomplete to comply with MAFIAA requests, then they get in bed with the MAFIAA to take out isoHunt whilst trying to get a superior court decision that favours their own business model.

    Google are evil BASTARDS. Bye bye, I’m moving on…

  • J.

    Random question I probably should have thought of last May, but it just occurred to me now so….

    When the Court passed judgment on isoHunt & ruled it had to either filter its searches or stop operating in the US…. What exactly is the scope of the filters. Is it just US searches that get filtered, or do they filter EVERYONE world wide?

    Either way, now that I’m thinking about it, I really think they chose the wrong option. It would have probably been a lot easier for them to geo-block all US IP addresses.

    Torrent users are generally considered at least somewhat tech savvy. So I wouldn’t assume that it would be all that hard for most users to figure out some means of circumventing said geo-restrictions…. Making their IP look like they’re coming from any other country. If I recall correctly, something like 300,000 persons in the US were already doing it over the summer to get Spotify here before their official release outside of Europe. You could even set it up to automatically assume a non-US IP whenever visiting isoHunt’s site automatically, making it even easier. And unless the judge goes through the hundreds of trackers isoHunt indexes and issues similar rulings…. Once you got the .torrent file, there’d be no need to mask the IP anymore (so no need to worry about using excessive bandwidth while hidden)….

  • shen

    the same shit over and over again!!!

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  • Anonymous

    If the MAFIAA sues Google, Google will obliterate them using every cent they have earned in the past years…

    • sherboil

      keep dreaming.they have plenty of power too.

  • Anonymous

    If the MAFIAA sues Google, Google will obliterate them using every cent they have earned in the past years…

  • http://www.facebook.com/leoplan2 Alvaro Osvaldo López-García

    To be honest, every search engine based in the USA (Google, bing…) is susceptible to a legal attack. The solution of this problem is a distributed search engine, not USA-based, and in my opinion it isn’t easy to censor or filter its results.

    The fault here is the Digital Millenium Copyright Act.

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  • There is

    if iso hunt has no files or links to torrents. then it is a torrent search engine

    surely it doesnt matter if it “encouraged” users to download copyrighted material because that is just the sites owners personal opinon, Protected by your free speech???

  • NeonGen

    Google in this case plays the role of expert witness. They explain misconceptions on both sides of the conflict. MPAA is just pushing for big bucks like most anti-piracy suits. Their intention is not to see if they are proven to be right but to force their self-righteousness down the court’s/defendants throats. But isoHunt appealing as being ‘just like Google’ is not fully justifiable either.

    As Google as search major engine does have the resource to put ridiculously smart censorship filtering in to place. Although this doesn’t stop one from searching with commands like “ext:torrent” or “site:piratebay.org” in their search. But since when is it illegal to adapt a search engine to search for a specific file format/keyword?

    • http://nannirk.net/ Marius Krinnan

      A biased witness, too.

  • Hudrockson

    It looks to me like Google is just preparing itself for an obvious eventuality. The more sites like IsoHunt that are shut down, the more Google will become the de facto search engine for torrents, I would think.

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  • Anonymous

    OH boy, you know if Google is getting involved that its gonna be good lol.

    http://www.being-anon.tk

  • Foff

    I don’t know why some smart script kiddie doesn’t create a program that searches for torrents powered by the google search engine. The point is isohunt does a little better job finding torrents then google even though most things can be found just fine using google. The censorship is a joke anyway I just use a proxy and wala no more censorship. Dumba$$ Riaa.

    • Violated

      A few websites have before been an interface to use Google to search for movies, music, torrents and more BUT Google soon delink them.

      They obviously dont like being rebranded The Google Piracy Bay as reflected in the Pirate Bay ship above done in Google’s colours.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=48604898 Joshua Rubin

    what a bunch of shit, iso is getting all the blame for no reason. way to go Google, you an ass…should of just kept your mouth shut.

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  • 1neb

    Google don’t meta tag search. They direct folks to the most relevant sites that will give them ppc or other revenue.However, the two are so entangled that censorship remains the only viable option.
    Watch out. Drunk Joe Biden is watching. If it ain’t big money, he isn’t interested.
    And that goes way beyond Holywood. Obamas colores are beginning to show.
    I gpt a heck of a schooling on this site when I was told he was a lawyer for these folks.

  • Anonymous

    Know what I have just done a few searches on google for torrents instead of using the usual trackers I regular go to, and google gave me results for what I wanted right away

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  • Anonymous

    People here seem to be getting increasingly dumber in their comments.

  • Knux

    So here’s the deal, on one side, Isohunt made a fatal mistake when they allowed admins to not only help people download but to also suggest items to download and even more to the point, upload shit themselves and admit it in the public forum. In that sense, they are nothing like Google. On the other side of the spectrum, is their search engine which is part of the reasoning for the suit. This is exactly like Google and it is something that they want looked at. Now if the search engine portion is believed to be covered under the DMCA safe-harbor acts then it simply comes down the actions of the admins of Iso-Hunt. If that happens, Gary’s lawyer could turn this around, denouncing the admins in question and asking the courts to sue them individually, working out a deal to drop the suit against the organization as a whole. The problem is that the courts most likely will not grant the proper investigation of the search engine and will rather deny the appeal fully, allowing the MPAA to then turn their heads to Google, citing this win over Iso-hunt as the reason they should censor any and all search results.

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  • Mindo

    If this case is allow to happen. Then there is no protection from other information providers feeding us there information. We might as well be Libya or Iran in the way information is delivered to us. It will be no one fault but our own. As long as they stay a search engine and not a storage provider. I see no problem, It is up to me to decided what I do with the information not the MPAA.or Google. We are Democracy are we Not?

  • Pete

    now, typical fat-market-pig-behavior from google. jerks. another reason, to use scroogle. or ecosia.org (80% revenue goes to the WWF).

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  • http://truth-and-opinion.dyndns.org/ mavigozler

    I think Google is basically making a claim that it is a supermarket where it sells everything, most of it legal, some of it a door to copyright; while isoHunt is a small shop where the only thing you can do is shop for what you are looking for in something illegal…that is nearly all unpaid access to content whose creators want payment.

    I’ll have to remember that analogy for the cops: when they come to arrest me for one day when I commit a crime, I should tell them about all the days I lived my life where I did not commit a crime. You see, I can use fallacious arguments too.

    • Sun W. Kim

      You don’t see the cops arresting Google. I think the fallacy is in your example.

  • http://truth-and-opinion.dyndns.org/ mavigozler

    I think Google is basically making a claim that it is a supermarket where it sells everything, most of it legal, some of it a door to copyright; while isoHunt is a small shop where the only thing you can do is shop for what you are looking for in something illegal…that is nearly all unpaid access to content whose creators want payment.

    I’ll have to remember that analogy for the cops: when they come to arrest me for one day when I commit a crime, I should tell them about all the days I lived my life where I did not commit a crime. You see, I can use fallacious arguments too.

  • Sillygoogle

    Shame on the largest provider of illegal copies of movies, music, porn, and anything under the sun that’s “not legal”, to try and say they are any different!

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  • reedit

    I think we should create a tracker called tracker-google.com :D

    http://www.getaseedbox.com/

  • AtomicFrog

    Shame on this Gary Fung and isohunt, what is the difference between being a thief and helping a thief to steal? I hope that the law put an online piracy like Gary Fung behind bars and shut down ishunt forever.

    The directly consequences of isohunt is to hurt the bottom line of movie studios and digital download content.

    I am SO surprise that this Gary Fung would even hire a lawyer to fight back; guess he must be making so much money that he won’t give it up lightly. I mean if it is as simple as some 15 yr old trying to share the world and make a penny of out it, I can understand but report says that Gary Fung makes over 3M a yr by online piracy. He needs to be arrested and put behind bars for good

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Danyol-Mengur/100001836250475 Danyol Mengur

      I disagree, because a lot of users use it to preview a movie to see if it is worth buying, if i see a movie at a friends and it looks good I’d buy it, same goes if i saw it from someone who downloaded a torrent or whatever of it, if i liked it enough I’d buy it, otherwise it wouldn’t be worth taking up hard drive space in the first place, and if the person liked the movie, as far as I’m concerned, if they go out and buy it, I feel the original Downloaded copy should be completely legal for them to have (as long as they don’t give everyone and their dog a copy, honestly, do some research about how an Anime piracy study showed that it actually improved and boosted sales as the people watched them and liked them and hence, went out and bought them to add to their collection, and I’m guessing you are an MPAA/RIAA Spokes-Idiot, and maybe a total moron (no offense)!!! and as far as all this goes it is all just about the RIAA’s and MPAA’s Power hungry and greedy attitude, the revolution of Downloading Music overtime led to the music artists being able to break free of the strangle hold record company’s/ Record Labels, who’s GREEDY A$$ES take all but maybe 1% of the earnings the artist’s talent generates.PERIOD!!! and personally I feel that the MPAA needs to actually use the statistics of what movies sell more knowing their is piracy going on (has been for who knows how long, i remember people double taping with Audio and Video Cassettes) and they never made a big deal then, and the people who really liked the movie would go out and buy it because the double taping caused quality loss and so does re-encoding and shrinking a digital movie, so when these so called “pirates” find a movie they like with these “evil pirate sites” and go and buy them, because they saw it first and it was good and therefore didn’t buy some other movie that turns out to be crap (because they never saw it first) and can’t take it back because of store policies, then the good movie they could have previewed and purchased gets a lower sales rating (because they never saw it), and instead bought a different movie that it turns out they HATE (because they never saw it first) and it gets a better sales rating than the good movie (and it is actually a really crappy movie) so Hollywood thinks Oh… People Liked this, so we should make a sequel or others similar to it, meanwhile the good movie gets lower sales and falters, never gets a sequel or anything made similar to it… and meanwhile everyone who bought the crappy movie is stuck with it because it looked really good (i.e. The Village – The Trailers Made it look really cool and like a horror or thriller, but instead it was a P.O.S. about people living in a little nature reserve illegally and the adults were just using scare tactics to stop the youngsters from leaving the nature reserve) POINT MADE

      also as far as isohunt is concerned
      well, regardless they still bare the name “ISOhunt” meaning “Disc Image Hunt”, they could shut down isohunt rename the site webhunt, nethunter, thehunt, etc, and redirect to the newly designed, reformatted, recreated site. with a ten second notice stating that the owner has chosen to terminate isohunt.. and start a new site, that is not actually the old site and therefore nullify any court injunctions, stipulations, etc against the previous site “isohunt” and like someone else stated ” use Bot accesses and searches to increase the legitimate searchs for legal torrents such as abandonware and freeware and free programs cloud responses to typed in words and phrases, that is if they actually needed to do that…

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Danyol-Mengur/100001836250475 Danyol Mengur

      I disagree, because a lot of users use it to preview a movie to see if it is worth buying, if i see a movie at a friends and it looks good I’d buy it, same goes if i saw it from someone who downloaded a torrent or whatever of it, if i liked it enough I’d buy it, otherwise it wouldn’t be worth taking up hard drive space in the first place, and if the person liked the movie, as far as I’m concerned, if they go out and buy it, I feel the original Downloaded copy should be completely legal for them to have (as long as they don’t give everyone and their dog a copy, honestly, do some research about how an Anime piracy study showed that it actually improved and boosted sales as the people watched them and liked them and hence, went out and bought them to add to their collection, and I’m guessing you are an MPAA/RIAA Spokes-Idiot, and maybe a total moron (no offense)!!! and as far as all this goes it is all just about the RIAA’s and MPAA’s Power hungry and greedy attitude, the revolution of Downloading Music overtime led to the music artists being able to break free of the strangle hold record company’s/ Record Labels, who’s GREEDY A$$ES take all but maybe 1% of the earnings the artist’s talent generates.PERIOD!!! and personally I feel that the MPAA needs to actually use the statistics of what movies sell more knowing their is piracy going on (has been for who knows how long, i remember people double taping with Audio and Video Cassettes) and they never made a big deal then, and the people who really liked the movie would go out and buy it because the double taping caused quality loss and so does re-encoding and shrinking a digital movie, so when these so called “pirates” find a movie they like with these “evil pirate sites” and go and buy them, because they saw it first and it was good and therefore didn’t buy some other movie that turns out to be crap (because they never saw it first) and can’t take it back because of store policies, then the good movie they could have previewed and purchased gets a lower sales rating (because they never saw it), and instead bought a different movie that it turns out they HATE (because they never saw it first) and it gets a better sales rating than the good movie (and it is actually a really crappy movie) so Hollywood thinks Oh… People Liked this, so we should make a sequel or others similar to it, meanwhile the good movie gets lower sales and falters, never gets a sequel or anything made similar to it… and meanwhile everyone who bought the crappy movie is stuck with it because it looked really good (i.e. The Village – The Trailers Made it look really cool and like a horror or thriller, but instead it was a P.O.S. about people living in a little nature reserve illegally and the adults were just using scare tactics to stop the youngsters from leaving the nature reserve) POINT MADE

      also as far as isohunt is concerned
      well, regardless they still bare the name “ISOhunt” meaning “Disc Image Hunt”, they could shut down isohunt rename the site webhunt, nethunter, thehunt, etc, and redirect to the newly designed, reformatted, recreated site. with a ten second notice stating that the owner has chosen to terminate isohunt.. and start a new site, that is not actually the old site and therefore nullify any court injunctions, stipulations, etc against the previous site “isohunt” and like someone else stated ” use Bot accesses and searches to increase the legitimate searchs for legal torrents such as abandonware and freeware and free programs cloud responses to typed in words and phrases, that is if they actually needed to do that…

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