Government “Holds a Gun to the Head” of ISPs Over P2P
Written by enigmax on June 23, 2008The British government appears to be running out of patience with ISPs as they struggle to come to an agreement with the music industry on P2P music piracy. One ‘top-level’ ISP executive says “The British government just put a gun to our head.” Major ISPs are now in “serious” talks with the music industry.
Recently we reported on the agreement between UK ISP Virgin Media and the British Phonographic Industry to start sending out warnings to Virgin’s subscribers who the BPI accuse of uploading copyright music. Now, according to a Digital Music News report, the British government has started urgently applying pressure to prominent ISPs to find a solution to the ‘problem’ of file-sharing. The pressure includes a threat to bring in new laws, should ISPs and the music industry not come to a solution of their own.
The government previously set a deadline of April 2009 for the parties to reach an agreement but according to sources, pressure is intensifying to deal with the issue sooner. A “top-level executive” gave an indication of the level of pressure stating: “The British government just put a gun to our head.”
According to what DMN describe as “top-level” and other “executive” sources, the music industry and major ISPs including BT, Carphone Warehouse, Tiscali and Virgin Media are now involved in “serious negotiations” over how to deal with what they perceive to be a serious threat to their business model.
Andy Burnham, Culture Secretary and Labour Member of Parliament is said to be playing a prominent role after tough comments earlier in the year: “Let me make it absolutely clear: this is a change of tone from the government,” Burnham told the FT. “It’s definitely serious legislative intent.”
At the London Calling event last week – billed as ‘the UK’s premier international music business event’ – sources confirmed meetings between the music industry and ISPs. It’s believed that ISPs are being negotiated with individually, rather than as a group. “All of the ISPs are at the table meeting with the rights holders, but it’s not a roundtable,” said a source.
Current CEO of British Music Rights and former pop star Feargal Sharkey said he was optimistic at the discussions between the music industry and ISPs: “At this moment, I am completely optimistic. Three months ago these guys wouldn’t even get into the same room.”
It’s unclear what could happen if the music industry and ISPs fail to reach an agreement, as Culture Secretary Andy Burnham has already stepped back from a government implemented ‘3 strikes and you’re out’ policy.
For their part, ISPs are only too aware of the profit they make from file-sharers. If the latest reports are to be believed, around 6 million Brits use their internet connection for file-sharing. Alienating them could be a huge strategic error.
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101 Responses
bummer.
A ‘3 strikes and you’re out’ policy would be a disaster for the economy, and if the government can’t see that, it should **** off :P.
I’m counting down the days to help do exactly that (**** off the government).
Given the reports shown recently here on TF, I sail to understand how the govt could possibly implement such a policy and have it stand in court.
i wanna leave this f*cked up country
its all gone pete tong
Where I live we would be burning tires in the middle of the street blocking all traffic for days at a time.
“what they perceive to be a serious threat to their business model”
Well, internet itself as well as the computer technology in general are threats to their business model. And I’m somewhat skeptical about the business model’s chances.
time to flee the country!
And where did Andy Burnham get the idea that it was government’s job to defend against “threats to their (obsolete) business model”? He and other corruptables need to get up off their knees, stop fellating the media industry, and realise they are supposed to be working for the people, not lining their pockets with industry bribes.
File sharing will live on. There is no intention to criminalise file-sharing and it will remain a civil offence. It will simply be a matter of hiding it better from the music industry.
There isn’t much chance of the government legislating a three strikes and you’re out policy as this will be challenged under european human rights laws. You cannot cut off someone’s electricity just because he uses it to physically copy CDs. In the same way you will not be able to cut off someone’s internet connection.
The current government will have to be extremely careful not to alienate people in 2009 as it looks very likely that they will lose the next general election.
Bye Britain,
Hello Sweden.
@ #10: Ditto – ASAP… =]
I’m off before 2009 bye UK hi NZ! Only trouble there is Internet is metered and expensive!
@9
I agree with you, Labour aren’t in a very good position after the income tax changes, crime rates, data leakage, economy suckage and the unkept promises.
However, you must remember there are a lot of people out there who don’t understand or agree with file sharing and an attack on so-called “piracy” could be seen as a move to defend the economy.
Personally, I think it’s highly unlikely that a loss in the next general election would be a result of aggressive action against file sharing, but more a result of general, all-round incompetence.
(Liberal ftw.)
They can go **** themselves if they think I’m going to let them be told what to do by those c***s. We need to protest people! NOW!!! I know saying it here won’t do much but maybe it can inspire a few to take action. I don’t think the ISP’s will be harmed that much by the loss of file-sharers as the internet is going to be used for TV, phone and surfing all in one. People will use the TV service and people will use the phone. They will also use video phone which bound to become more popular once the realiabilty can be sorted (removing file-sharers and their hogging of the bandwidth). I know they should provide us the service they sold us but they don’t want to spend money upgrading and would love to see their old networks free again. Certain ISP’s e.g Virgin and BT would love to help the BPI as they will have interests in selling music online themselves to their customers. No piracy means more of a market share for them to get their hands on.
That’s my thoughts atm anyway. Someone please tell me I’m wrong and convince me about it.
they’re probably just mad cos the french beat them to it.
If you encrypt the download how can the isp identify if it’s copyright infringed data, surely all they’ll see is lots of packets coming from different ip addresses?
We need to figure real ways to let these idiots know we’re not going to put up with capitalist b******s buying our dumb greedy government (and s**t are they greedy)!
I’m looking forwards to TPB’s info on encryption etc.
Mean while I won’t buy a damn thing from any of these corporate blood sucking parasites.
@16:
if they are in the peer list, encrypting the copyrighted material (usually fake) and distributing it, then they have proof that you are downloading with intent.
this is the end.
People keep voting for the same idiots. Don’t.
that politicians took a U-turn last year, until then he wanted nothing to do with the mater, now he cant be more interested on pushing this matter through.
He has been bribed, instead of trying to find a model that works for the people he is helping the music industry control a model that works for them.
He has been bribed.
If they start sending strike notices il just get my music off of allofmp3 like sites. or usenet
THAT’S IT, Everybody normal get out of London, we’re gonna NUKE the parlament and the Queen …
MU-HAHAHHAHAHA
FAGS.
@17
How about an using an anonymous proxy server?
Denmark is free…… good internet and Almost no Anti-Piracy Organization
do like everyone in Sweden will do now
vote for the *PIRATE PARTY!*
You people must be deluded if you think it’s just the “music industry lobbying money” and not actually people agreeing with the idea that file-sharing is a problem. The fact is that people actually agree with the idea that file-sharing copyrighted works without permission is a bad thing. That’s why: not the industry, but the people are behind such government policies and actions.
Let’s get ride of THIS music industry and of THIS governement!
They are just two big bags of parasites that need to be eradicated.
If they really thing that any law will ever make us buy again ther shits they are delusional!
Boycott the Majors!
We don;t need parasites in our society!
Too many people today have bought into the BS that file-sharing = stealing from whatever industry that you are downloading stuff from.
I hate to say that, but most people have been brainwashed into thinking that (and in the case of big for-profit piracy rings overseas, they are actually right).
However, for the usual person at home who is downloading things because they are just BARELY making it by and do not have the money to spend on the ‘real thing’ in question, which is usually the case today…….. it isn’t stealing from anyone, because the money is not there to buy the real thing in the first place.
Another load of knee-jerk BS from a government who understands so little about technology that a 5 year old could beat them in a quiz.
This won’t affect people like us, we know ways around things, we know about proxies, SSL and private trackers. This will hit little Johnny “Joe Public” who rips of movies/Brittney/Club compilations from TPB without understanding the implications of what he’s doing. We do it, we know the risks, but we understand how to play the game.
this is very sad, and they are fooling themselfs, they think by doing this they will rid the networks of pirates, which means more bandwidth for more customers with out having to upgrade!
and the bpi etc think they will get more sales?, people will just do what i do now and that is use a 100mb box to leech/seed then just transfer to my home ip without danger of getting picked up by the bpi/ISP, the end result is that i distribute x100 more content now than i ever did, just to use up the payed bandwidth, i have promised myself NEVER to buy a cd again not that i did buy many anyway, maybe 2 a year, hell even if they managed to cut ALL the piracy i’d just go back to ripping radio. though i could use the net for that rather than my old FM radio + cassette player/recorder
(pirate since age 5 b4 the net was even here)
so who do i vote for in the up and comming election? never voted b4 but i would if there was a ‘fair’ party out there which was’nt ’sponsored’ by shady business men or ‘groups’ which no one knows anything about
TF GIVE THIS SHEEP SOME GUIDANCE!!
good. pirates sucks.
You people must be deluded if you people think that such policies are solely the work of the industries. The fact is, a majority of people think that file-sharing is a problem and this is the reason the government is acting like such: not the industry, but the people are behind these government actions.
@32
“The fact is, a majority of people think that file-sharing is a problem and this is the reason the government is acting like such: not the industry, but the people are behind these government actions.”
You wouldn’t happen to have any hard data to back up this “factual” assertion of yours, would you?
I didn’t think so.
This government are scum!
there is no abstract solution for stopping file-sharing. we share cuz we care. but we also love what we share, and if it costs to much, way above what we want to pay we will “steal” it, as some say.
if they want to stop file-sharing, start a network among all the big movie studios (warner bros. paramount, lionsgate e.t.c) and make a huge fucking torrent tracker, that should only be used by the cope-right holders. if we the pirates are using that technique, why arent the “suits” using it!
FUCK!!!
sweet kisses // Dr. Rock
6 million of us? That’s 10% of the entire population… and they want to piss us off? Utter madness. If they tried to act against any other minority group in this way there’d be hell to pay (yes I know the other minority groups aren’t defined by doing something illegal, but still… that’s a fuck lot of filesharers)
What do they expect to do… fine or imprison 10 million people? Eventually it’ll come to that kind of point, where it’s apparent that a huge number of people simply do not give a fuck about copyright. Then what? Actually I’d like to see that… would be interesting times.
Those talking about fleeing to Sweden, or Denmark, or wherever, consider it properly – if file-sharing is stamped out in one country because everyone left, the bastards claim a victory then look around for the next target. There is no perpetual safe haven, unless we take some kind of stand against this shit (or a passive stand… by not giving in to their tactics – like I said, they can’t arrest all of us).
@33
I don’t know about the U.K. but other than having seen plenty of people thinking that legalizing non-profit file-sharing is a bad thing (there are more of them than you if your only exposure to opinions on this are only through TorrentFreak and like websites), Pew Research has shown that in the U.S. about 30% say it is not bad and 60% say it is bad.
The fact is, public opinion against file-sharing is a bigger problem than “lobbying money.”
The only Pew research I could find on this topic was dated 2003 and had the following Executive Summary:
“The struggle to enforce copyright laws in the digital age continues to be an uphill battle for content owners. Americans’ attitude towards copyrighted material online has remained dismissive, even amidst widespread media coverage and legal action aimed at educating the public about the threat file-sharing poses to the intellectual property industries. Over time, the music downloading audience has grown to roughly 35 million American adults while about 26 million say they share files online. Young adults and full-time students are among the most likely to download or share files and are also the least likely to say they care about copyright.”
http://www.pewinternet.org/report_display.asp?r=96
Do you have a link to the Pew research you are referring to?
This is getting serious now… i written to local MP/ lib dem leader… i wonder what the response will be if any.
Here’s a link to the Pew Research survey Mr. Anonymous was referring to.
http://www.pewinternet.org/ppf/r/153/report_display.asp
Yes, just over 60% of the respondents say filesharing is bad.
Oh, of course Mr. Anonymous
conveniently left out a few key facts.
1. That survey is from December 2004, hardly a beacon of current views.
2. It was a very narrow, targeted survey. Guess who the people taking the survey are? Musicians and industry people.
You can twist surveys any way you want to back up a point but this doesn’t even bear up under the most cursory examination. It would be the same as surveying the MPAA and studio execs on their views toward movie filesharing.
Please go troll somewhere else, Mr. Anonymous. I’m sure your masters have plenty of websites for you to post your “unbiased” opinions in.
they can take my torrents FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!
IF I WASN’T CONDITIONED INTO BEING SUCH A HOPELESS CONSUMER BY A LIFE OF FUCKING ADVERTISING I WOULDN’T EVEN WANT TO STEAL THE FILES!!! I CAN’T AFFORD ALL YOUR CRAP. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT ME TO DO WHEN YOU PUMP ADVERTS INTO MY EYES AND EARS FOR A LIFETIME?
……nuff said this has been the what, Forth news of corrupt politicians this month?
Canada, Sweden, UK, and France….what’s next?
There ought to be a international interest group for file sharing and net neutrality, looks like there needs to be better coordination.
http://www.savetheinternet.com
“Guess who the people taking the survey are?”
A random survey of 1000 people, which has a margin of error of about 3% in both direction (i. e. a confidence interval spanning 6%) with a confidence level of 95%.
Yes, it is here:
http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/300.pdf
@46
“corrupt politicians”
The politicians are not the problem. The people are the problem
Because really, if you are really going to solve the problem of the politicians going against file-sharing, you have to first solve the problem of the people’s public opinion supporting their opposition to file-sharing. Ignoring it does not help, and only by addressing this issue can this problem be at all alleviated.
5 Jun 23, 2008 at 15:39 by Guate
Where I live we would be burning tires in the middle of the street blocking all traffic for days at a time.
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Yah and the rest of us live in 1st world countries.
In this article: how to be overzealous with quotes.
If most files are shared for playback on MP3 players, why are these players not illegal, for facilitating playback of illegal content? The electronics arms of certain companies still sell these players even though they have no legal music download service now.
Why do certain large music companies sell blank media to the public, knowing that they will be used for illegal copying?
Surely easy money and profit doesn’t come into it, does it?
Who in their right mind would want to live in the UK now days anyway. Damn imperialists and their slave trade mentality. They will never change.
The internet will soon be another controlled entity, and you will have no rights at all….Cyber-brother looking at you….
…and the great dinosaur lifted its head up too late to see the meteor hurtling toward him. Moments later everything he had known and would know was gone…
This is just another desperate last gasp from an industry that has become irrelevant to the growing majority of citizens and netizens alike. In ten years we’ll look back and have a good chuckle at all this, while downloading the latest and greatest from our favorite independent bands and creative artists.
*The Dinosaurs Must Die*
I can’t figure out exactly what this article is trying to say.
It’s all very vague and speculative, no?
Seems to be a common theme on TorrentFreak really.
There are two points the anonymous idiot on the 2nd page isn’t mentioning.
File sharing is not affecting profits at all, like their propaganda claims.
Eg: “Paramount Pictures and Marvel Studios’ Iron Man exceeded all expectations, earning a massive $100.75 million during its opening weekend domestically”
Also the industry could end this now by adapting and making everything available via torrents and charging a small amount for the content. But they aren’t. Governments should be demanding they adapt to market forces.
Socky the Sockpuppet: “Because really, if you are really going to solve the problem of the politicians going against file-sharing, you have to first solve the problem of the people’s public opinion supporting their opposition to file-sharing. Ignoring it does not help, and only by addressing this issue can this problem be at all alleviated.”
If the people are against filesharing, then let’s see you explain why the number of filesharers keeps dramatically increasing year-over-year.
I’m afraid you’ll also have to explain how it grew from a paltry number of users pissing around on Napster, to tens of millions of users apread out across BitTorrent/Gnutella/eDonkey etc. in under a decade.
You’re trying to frame these crooked politicians as somehow serving the will of the people, and that’s just a laugh and a half. In reality, they’re nothing more than prostitutes serving their own sense of greed by getting down on their knees and sucking the dick of the nearest John in sight.
You know what really doesn’t help, Spiff? Listening to some half-baked sockpuppet like you and your equally half-baked bullshit that everybody should stop focusing on he real issue(corrupt policy-makers and the criminal organizations that woo them), and instead chase after a phony one(the public and their imaginary opposition to filesharing).
My response to these corrupt politicians n organisations – “Bring em on….” :)
hope we can get them for free one day! like u go online dating and get free service from, say, _RIDERLOVE.COM_ my friends get a load from there anyway!
Wow, I was going to buy Juno today but guess I’ll use that money for a beer. No money for lobbyfags!
I like many people were seem to be all thinking about the same thing… Immigration from the UK.
It’s sad that a country that’s under attack from people who want to suppress are rights are only taking action to do so…
I’m looking at http://www.openrightsgroup.org
Maybe they’re the answer we need?
kudos to the old adage “where theres a will theres a way.” Pirates will continue to exsist as long as there continue to be huge Douche Bags like the M^#%P&#%^A&#*%^A. ;]
MOVE TO THE PHILIPPINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OUR GOVERNMENT DOES NOT KNOW THE MEANING OF FILE SHARING.NO body has been caught or there was never a history of people being put to jail since the begining of filesharing. Ask the government what filesharing is and they’ll just say *Its following the law of god and being nice to others because your sharing to someone*.hahahahahhaa
Why some of you talk about moving outside a country instead of doing something to make it worth living in? I fucking hate this cowardliness, can’t you see they are passing laws to make slaves out of you? Bloody hell, get up for your rights. How on earth can one accept the fact that a mass product like music can’t be afforded by the working class? Hit the streets and show those scumbags politicians who owns the power, PEOPLE!
@20
You think our vote counts?
Seriously?
@24
As in, using the onion network? TOR has been around for a while, just people don’t know how to use it or can’t be bothered…
And about the article, why not start a protest then? Give a date and time and i’m sure TF has enough users reading (maybe not responding) to help out. File-sharing is about generosity after all!
Why is this discussion only between the governement and ISPs? Shouldn’t filesharers and/or ISP customers and consumers organisations be included? Should we start a lobbying body on behalf of P2P users?
Let’s start a P2P-rights website and visit this every day so we can pay some lobbyists from the ad revenue.
@ 64
How many times do one has to reiterate it? TOR IS NOT FOR FILESHARING, got it now?
EDIT: Does one has to
EDIT2: Does one have to ( Too angry to post correctly, sorry! )
@64 & 65
Well I can’t speak for ORG, but from the looks of things http://www.openrightsgroup.org/ are actually tryin to defend are rights. SADLY they seem to be under funded and under supported.
Maybe if you point out what you feel is wrong about the UK’s digital laws they’ll start campaigning more in that direction.
There are some important facts to consider in this discussion:
1. Why should the government feel the need to legislate to protect an industry in decline simply because the industry in question is incapable of adapting to a new business model?
2. By doing so, are they then declaring that any industry sector can go to them to create laws to protect their business should they fail to adapt to a changing market?
3. How will this legislation catch anyone with a modicum of technical savvy? The only people who will fall foul of this proposed law will be average Joe who occasionally looks for a few tunes via BitTorrent or Limewire.
4. Many people who download films or music do so only with the media that they would never buy and are just curious to see it/hear it and then discard it. For example, I may never listen to the entire Flaming Lips discograpghy and I have never and will never buy one of their albums…but I downloaded it anyway. No money lost to the industry as I would NEVER have bought a Flaming Lips album. HOWEVER…..if I did listen to their discography and enjoyed it I would buy the CDs in order to have a physical product. Backups are never completely secure and a couple of hard drive failures would destroy my music collection so the stuff I really like will always be in a physical format of some description.
Anyway…if you’re really bothered use Peer Guardian with Blocklist Manager or even a VPN service like Relakks (although Sweden’s got its own security issues at the moment)
Nuff said…
Bugger…
So, I’m with Virgin Media at the minute and looking for another ISP to switch to and now this?
Are any of them “safe”?
This Virgin is a whore.
I hope feargal sharkey gets cat aids
Scrw the music industry! Everyone shoould STOP buying stupid CDs right away STOP BUYING THE CRAP and strip them of their power. Screww the RIAA.
JT
http://www.Ultimate-Anonymity.com
Hehe, they’re scared. I sincerely look forward to observing the outcome of this upcoming trainwreck.
Boogie, boogie, boogie!
dont shoot the messenger!
Once the population hears about this in it’s true description they will go against the Government who will have to have answers for a lot of questions. I want them to take me to court. I’d make sure I got coverage. I love arguing, especially when I know I’m right. Put me in prison, fine me. I have no money and I’d love some compensation for serving a prison sentace for something I shouldn’t have been in there for. BRING IT ON!!! I hate waiting.
@ 78
Sadly we the dloaders aren’t getting the coverage we need and if you were court fined or even jailed people wouldn’t hear about it.
Would the average Virgin customer know about the new restrictions on them? I doubt it
With Sweden they supported like 90% against Wire Tapping and they still losted…
There are organisations fighting for this in the UK, but you’ve got to support them.
The case against buying CDs:
–The RIAA is a cartel (one step away from a monopoly), and it uses its power to corrupt our ever-corruptible politicians and laws in its own selfish interest.
–The so-called “loudness war”. The industry now produces an inferior product when it comes to audio fidelity. (A great, short explanation can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gmex_4hreQ)
–CDs are overpriced, and have been for most of their existence (if not all of it). Check the MSRP of CDs on Amazon; most of them are edging towards $20. (Also, anyone remember that little price-rigging thing the RIAA got called-out on? Another result of being a cartel.)
–They sue their own customers. I don’t think much more needs to be said on this one, but historically speaking, such a crazy tactic doesn’t bring the intended results.
–The refusal of the industry to adapt to the new digital world. Where are the lossless downloads (and why do they always cost more when they’re available)? Where are the DRM-free files?
–And of course, the artists usually don’t own the actual rights to their own work. (That’s what a non-competitive oligopoly gets you.) Why enrich an industry that has, since its inception, ripped off the artist?
AND when you listen to this:
JUST turn off the net dont download, dont buy music dont buy dont buy.
do this until after christmas and let them suffer with complete loss of sales, WORLD WIDE BOYCOTT TIME.
SAY NO TO MUSIC
SAY NO TO ISP, AND INTERNET
TURN OFF YOUR CABLE OR SATELLITE
just watch what you already have or listen to what you already have.
trade directly to friends via NON telcom no cable means.
TIME to remove there ability to “monetize the net”
Ya i agree that move so fast had to be made by a large bride to their campanion funds or by them threating to black list all their music concerts and sales time things from the country there for limiting the tax revune but more likly a bride Honestly I am seriously thinking about moving my self and m family else where I belive in freedom and I dont belive in being bullyed by a company that is trying to run a bussiness like it’s 1990 rather then 2008 things change they havnt their old men in suits who refuse to move on with the times.
TPB VPN yay
@64: If 1 million people thought the same as you (and that is an easy and simple thought process) then that would mean that 1 million people simply evaporate and don’t count.
surely if enough of us refuse POINT BLANK they can’t criminalize us?! You can’t sue 6 million people if they say fuck off.
isp’s should take a lesson from the media industries when they see something may be threatening their livelihood. Never give up. Stall, delay, rant, argue, beg, plead, threaten, harass, bribe, litigate, bluff, lie, feign co-operation, cajole, humiliate, propagandize, bully, intimidate, embarrass. Then start all over again using different tactics of same legal, quasi legal, illegal, and immoral activity. By this time nobody will realize you’ve restarted the agenda. Eventually they’ll put you in the too hard basket and it will become routine, boring, relaxed, and out of the limelight.
“most of them are edging towards $20″ this always has me puzzled. Last time I checked (about 2 years ago) they were edging toward $40, and they haven’t come down.
also isn’t boycotting ‘conspiracy to defraud the music industry’? -an apparent crime which I’ve never heard of a law against
“FAGS”
That’s very constructive
I think it’s time for alittle anarchy, Anarchy in the UK, that is.
“are now involved in “serious negotiations” over how to deal with what they perceive to be a serious threat to their business model.”
Solution: get with the times and find a new business model.
Actually I think it’s becoming a good point to go off line… not for ever…
but the UK needs to hold a national ‘Pull the Plug’ day! everyone powers down their Net connections for 24 hours to show ISPs that they can’t just bend over, if they do… we’re looking to walk!
Comment if you agree?
@91
Question: how will that do anything? They charge a flat rate most of the time, and so it won’t amount to a boycott of any kind.
@92
Yeh it doesn’t affect there pocket one bit, but in the long run doesn’t it prove that if they lost all that data traffic for 1 day.
surely they’d see the effect if all of us torrenters just suddenly dissapeared and didn’t use their services anymore?
Now I might not be wrong but we have all these comments, and we leave are battles to the likes of TPB… Comments mean nothing, we need action, not just VPNs to go further underground.
Just think if TPB, mininova, isohunt… all are favorites went down for 24 hours… we might just realise how much these guys have done for us, globally! Alot would have cried foul and shut down at the fist sign of a legal threat.
I could go on, but if people want me to shut up then sure. I just think sharing not just about the files it’s about the community.
All aXXo, FXG and KLAXXON rips are also at http://www.defftone.zzl.org plus ALOT more others
they search the torrent sites so you dont need to
EVERYTHING IN ONE PLACE
idiots, torrentfreak is full of sensationalist shit, half the stuff they post is not credible
96 GET
Get over to the register.com they have a story on this saying that isp have reached agreement to have new model in place
were subcripers pay the isp a set fee and can download and share as much as they want with out recrimination
system due to be put in place by october
im am pirate and have amassvie movie tv show and mp3 colection and have no problem with downloading for free . but if this does come in to place and is a reasonable price i will defently b e signing up
one word comes to mind
“holy Shit”
I think it is a shame that these idiot Big Biz Bloodsuc*ers are trying to make criminals out of there customers & fan base. What these idiots do not realize is people steal go a buy the product, but most people want to try before you buy, plus the one up for download the quality usually sucks anyway, so these clowns are getting there panties in a bunch for no apparent reason. We alot of money for internet access, but I think these idots should just make a deal with our isp’s all around the world & just charge everyone $10 to $20 dollars a month extra to download where you want & how you want and then there will be no legal action against anyone, but these greedy A**es will never do anything that makes since. I am from the USA & this whole entire world has gone to hell since that Dumb A** Prez P u**y Bush has been in office here in the good old USA aka(The Full Of Sh*t capitalist out for blood scum suckers of life) & yes I am American, but I am sorry it sucks to be one at this moment & most of us are imbarrassed to be one, well atleast I am because (MR Bush) started all of this Crap & now every country is running around criminalizing regular everyday people that use to purchase thing legaly, but these Big Biz a**holes outsourced all of our american jobs to china & india, that now they are reaping what they sou & good those a**holes deserve it. They send our soldiers to fight & then when our soldiers get back all fu**ed up, then they turn there back on them, boy hell is going to be crowded( & good). Here in california these gov idiots went after these little teenagers that was hopping on some of the open wireless networks near by & they were just checking there email & these idiots went after them & then made them criminals, this is pathetic, while the real criminals run rampid in these fu**ed up streets. Sometimes I wonder about this life & this world( Are we in hell already, because it sure feels like it.) But I say Fu** Govs everywhere because they are the problem & will always be. Capitalist suc* , they are about no one but themselves
Record it off the radio etc and clean it up and encode it to mp3!!
what needs to be understood here is that imperial capitalists have long since bought out politicians. otherwise, why the big stink about a deadline? what does the govt care? they are wrapping there hands around our necks and saying “give us everything you have or else”. we have been taken hostage by these beasts.i see it developing all around the world. imperial capitalists merging with governments. welcome to modern slavery. they wont change their business model. why should they? they lost the battle in the digital age. now they want to clean up by using and bribing politicians . what they really need to do is forget all this, let the internet go free and come up with a new business model. like using the internet as a vehicle to market things that would be enticing. let the market place decide what is marketable instead of it being legislated.but no. they are stupid.instead of welcoming the opportunity of the new by allowing free downloads of copyrighted material. and they are missing out on the big picture by opting to drag us back into the dark ages again. they wont be happy until every part of our lives are legislated.i really wish they would get their heads out of their asses and bury the old model and see the potential of a new one.i certainly am not a rocket scientist and i see it, what is their problem? but it doesn’t seem as though that is going to happen. there is no use moving anywhere. this will be set as precedent for global law. and it will soon come to an isp near you.oh well, there goes the internet.
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