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How Scary is the US “Six Strikes” Anti-Piracy Scheme?

The MPAA and RIAA, helped by all major Internet providers in the United States, will begin to warn and punish copyright infringers in the months to come. Those caught sharing copyright works will receive several warning messages and subsequent punishment if they continue to infringe. Today we provide an overview of the upcoming scheme, busting some of the scary myths floating around online, and confirming others.

casSoon, the Center for Copyright Information (CCI) will start to track down ‘pirates’ as part of an agreement all major U.S. Internet providers struck with the MPAA and RIAA.

The parties agreed on a system through which copyright infringers are warned that their behavior is unacceptable. After five or six warnings ISPs may then take a variety of repressive measures.

A lot has been written in the press about the upcoming scheme, but unfortunately there are still many myths and misunderstandings. Today we hope to clear up some of these inaccuracies by answering a few simple questions.

What punishments are expected?

After six warnings ISPs will impose so-called “mitigation measures” or punishments. The CCI made it clear from the start that nobody’s Internet account will be terminated. However, temporary disconnections are an option. In fact, the agreement between the copyright holders and ISPs specifically mentions the option of such temporary terminations.

This means that in theory subscribers could be disconnected for a week, or even a month. That said, such disconnections are not mandatory and ISPs have little incentive to impose such a strong mitigation measure.

A more likely punishment is a throttled connection, where connection speeds are severely degraded for a set period. The agreement specifically mentions 256 -640 kbps as an example. Alternatively, ISPs can direct users to a landing page until the subscriber contacts the ISP to discuss the matter.

What happens to those who ignore all warnings?

This is an interesting question. Public information provides no answer but the CCI told TorrentFreak the following:

“The program is intended to educate consumers, taking them through a system that we believe will be successful for most consumers. If a subscriber were to receive 6 alerts, that user would be considered a subscriber the program is unable to reach.”

“If ISPs receive additional allegations of copyright infringement for that user, those notices will not generate alerts under the program,” a CCI spokesperson told us.

In other words, nothing will happen under the program. People who receive more than 6 warnings are removed from the system. They wont receive any further warnings or punishments and are allowed to continue using their Internet service as usual.

Who will be monitoring these copyright infringements?

While ISPs take part in the scheme, they are not the ones who will monitor subscribers’ behaviors. The tracking will be done by a third party company such as DtecNet or PeerMedia. These companies collect IP-addresses from BitTorrent swarms and send their findings directly to the Internet providers.

The lists with infringing IP-addresses are not shared with the MPAA, RIAA or other third parties.

The CCI has not yet published the name of the monitoring company, but informs TorrentFreak that the evidence gathering methods will be reviewed by an independent expert.

Each ISP will keep a database of the alleged infringers and send these subscribers the appropriate warnings. Recorded infringements will be stored for 12 months after which they will be deleted.

What will be monitored?

According to the CCI the copyright alert system will only apply to P2P file-sharing. In theory this means that the focus will be almost exclusively on BitTorrent, as other P2P networks have a relatively low user bases.

Consequently, those who use Usenet providers or file-hosting services such as 4Shared, RapidShare and Hotfile are not at risk. In other words, the “six strikes” scheme only covers part of all online piracy.

Can the monitoring be circumvented?

The answer to the previous question already shows that users could simply switch to other means of downloading, but there are more alternatives.

BitTorrent users could hide their IP-addresses through proxy services and VPNs for example. A recent study in Sweden showed that this is a likely response to tougher copyright enforcement.

So how scary is the “six strikes” anti-piracy plan?

While we can’t say anything conclusive just yet, it appears that the main purpose is to reach as many copyright infringers as possible to inform them about their inappropriate behavior. The CCI frames this as education, others will probably describe it as scare tactics.

How ‘bad’ the “six strikes” scheme turns out to be largely depends on what punishments Internet providers intend to hand out. Needless to say, a temporary reduction in bandwidth is less severe than cutting people’s Internet access.

However, since ISPs have little incentive to apply such stringent measures we expect that the punishments will be rather mild.

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  • Jeremy

    Is there any list of ISPs participating in this stupid agreement?

    • Anonymous

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    • Tseug

      Probably not for a while otherwise people possibly could change their ISPs to evade. Most likely we will only find out once people start receiving strike emails from their ISP, and I like most people ignore those emails so many will have 6 strikes in no time. Now is the time to look into getting a VPN before it fully starts.

      Also, nice design tweak for torrentfreak. :D

      • Anyone

        a few ISP are known, but sadly there is not a complete list

        I’m wondering if it will be delayed again

        • http://nowtweet.it/2kbq Josephine E. Segura

          a temporary reduction in bandwidth is less severe than cutting people’s Internet access. http://FreeLancerJob.notlong.com

        • http://nowtweet.it/2kbq Josephine E. Segura

          a temporary reduction in bandwidth is less severe than cutting people’s Internet access. http://FreeLancerJob.notlong.com

        • Connor Egan

          It will be delayed…again. Too many loopholes and theoretical practices. They truly want to Deep Packet Inspection, but as most know this will consume bandwidth to a screeching stop. I for one have Comcast and am fine with their 250gb soft cap i go over some months and under others. I once had a little over a TB one month backing everything up on cloud  and was disconnected and had to call comcast security to get reconnected. While bothersome i understand 1tb is a lot of data. Problem now lies with who else do i pick from, Comcast is the MONOPOLY for my city. Seriously no doubt, monopoly, where the fuck did antitrust laws go.? I have Comcast or ATTDSL to pick from both are shit, but at least ill take my 60 down 20 up from Comcast. 

          Most to all ISPs are doing this. I for one use a VPN as should everyone else, send a mesage to your ISP by switching providers.  Any ISP who utilizes this six strike program fuck em. I know its not possible for everyone, but you should seriously switch to someone who treats their customers like customers and not pirates. Money is the best way to vote with your mouth not politics. 

        • http://2.gp/p7zC Marlene R. Weber

           that uk was not announced yet, however probably not very far off from the looks of it. http://OnlineBestJobs3.notlong.com

        • http://goo.gl/5bqhn Maryellen J. Phillips

          Who will be monitoring these copyright infringements? http://DemoforFrank.blogspot.com

        • http://lazycash1.com/ Anonymous

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          ?????? (Click At My Name For Link)

      • Robert

         How ? I have one choice: Time Warner cable. Unless you count dialup.

      • E7E54D68

        Send an email to your ISP and ask them to confirm they are not part of this. If they don’t give you that answer, move away from them. If they fake it, then at least we’ll have proof to show to any of their customers that they can’t be trusted at all.

        • 2hr8r

          AWESOME. So, who shall I move to? Here, there is Comcast. Or… Comcast. Or I could go with Comcast. Or maybe Comcast.

      • Anonymous

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        ?????? (Click At My Name For Link)

      • http://lazycash1.com/ Anonymous

        my best friend’s sister-in-law got paid $14696 the prior month. she is making money on the inte<!–truth is almight–>rnet and bought a $372500 home. All she did was get blessed and work up the steps uncovered on this link 

        ?????? (Click At My Name For Link)

      • Anonymous

        my friend’s aunt made $17398 the previous week. she is making income on the internet and bought a $578000 house. All she did was get lucky and try the steps written on this website

        ?????? (Click At My Name For Link)

      • D02j32dj

        “Probably not for a while otherwise people possibly could change their ISPs to evade. ”

        You’re joking, right? People don’t have choices. Broadband providers are granted regional monopolies by utility commissions. You can get slow heavily restricted DSL (depending on your distance from the nearest office) in some places and then you can get your area’s broadband provider. That’s it. Period. Get kicked from that and your option is to sell your house and move to another city (or even state, in places where the entire state is covered by the same provider).

    • Laika

      keep up with torrentfreak, the list was published months ago, on this site…

      • Laika

         verizon (however they recently after they talked about the us how they voluntarily comply with the above, will not give your details anymore see whiley and sons case,

        There are a lot of names, but it boils down to the big five mentioned
        (AT&T, Cablevision, Comcast, Time Warner Cable, and Verizon) and
        their subsidiaries. Most of the subsidiaries of the four that aren’t
        AT&T have the parent company in their names, and most of the
        subsidiaries of AT&T have “Bell” in theirs.

        EDIT: I realized it was easier just to put the full list in here. From the source above:

        The Participating ISPs are the following: SBC Internet Services, Inc., BellSouth
        Telecommunications, Inc., Southwestern Bell Telephone Company, Pacific Bell
        Telephone Company, Illinois Bell Telephone Company, Indiana Bell Telephone
        Company, Incorporated, Michigan Bell Telephone Company, Nevada Bell Telephone
        Company, The Ohio Bell Telephone Company, Wisconsin Bell, Inc., The Southern New
        England Telephone Company, and BellSouth Telecommunications, Inc. (the AT&T Inc.
        companies); Verizon Online LLC, Verizon Online LLC – Maryland, and Verizon Online
        Pennsylvania Partnership (the Verizon companies); Comcast Cable Communications
        Management, LLC; CSC Holdings, LLC (solely with respect to its cable systems
        operating in New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut) (the Cablevision systems); and
        Time Warner Cable Inc.

        Meow Fuck the powers that be, share the files dot com

        • Laika

           tf just listed some before, but the above (source)  is from Appendix A of the Memorandum of Understanding (pdf )http://www.copyrightinformation.org/sites/default/files/Momorandum%20of%20Understanding.pdf

        • Anonymous

          are there any such happening,s planned for the U.K or will this affect us as well

        • Laika

          The uk has many different things, the six strikes however is not yet announced. First it was spain (hadopi), then next it went to us, its not far fetched to think it won’t be uk next. I seen an article about it but it just discussed this and said that uk was not announced yet, however probably not very far off from the looks of it.

    • Anonymous

      “it appears that the main purpose is to reach as many copyright infringes as possible to inform them about their inappropriate
      behavior.”

      this is FLAT OUT incorrect and you should know better

      the ONLY purpose of this is to set the legal precedent that this is “ok” to do.

      more draconian steps WILL follow once the precedent is secured in law.

      Don’t mind the slowly heating up water frogs. its nothing to worry about.

      • Chubbysumo

        I doubt and ISP will disconnect a paying sub, and since this program(and those pesky letters) do not constitute proof of an AUP violation(whereas, a court judgement does), they cannot disconnect you based on this program or those DMCA letters, ever, and why would they lose a paying sub?  Its been shown that pirates usually pay for higher tiers of bandwidth and more expensive services, so why would they cut off the meat of their business?

      • Ant

        It is OK to do so, if you’re pirating files and not paying for them I’m pretty sure a little education isn’t going to hurt you. As the article outlined there’s no major results from the six strike system. In fact, if you reach 6 strikes you will be removed from the system and not notified again.

        Seems to me the purpose is to simply educate people, though another concern is the collection of data. Which, the article outlined would be deleted at 12 months. But still begs the question, what can they do with it in 12 months?

  • ANNON

    first

    • Rekrul

      stupid

  • Master

    Throttle my internet speed, and I’ll also throttle my payments too.

    • Lulz

      Yep.  I pay for a specific set of speeds, if I’m not receiving what I pay for then I won’t pay for it and report them to the BBB.

      • Anonymous

        They are able to respond of course via the BBB complaint sysytem.

        “Customer speeds throttled after 1,2,3,4,5,6 warning notifications for downloading copyright infringing materials”

        Makes you look like the unreasonable party, not your Internet provider.

        • Fredrika

          > “Makes you look like the unreasonable party, not your Internet provider.”

          You seem confused. Expecting the speed one pays for is in no way unreasonable, regardless of any eventual accusations from some weak failed entrepreneurs that can’t handle themselves on the free market. Refusing to deliver what the customer has paid for however, just because some weak failed entrepreneur than can’t handle themselves on the free market comes up with unproven allegations of alleged infringements, that most certainly seems unreasonable. Some third parties clams is obviously not more important than delivering to the customer what he actually pays for. Such claims are actually completely irrelevant to any other party than the authorities.

          But then again, there are always some fascist monopoly holders who believe that they are the authorities and that everything should be centred around them and their profit, and that no response is unreasonable to hide the fact that they are weak failed entrepreneurs that can’t handle themselves on the free market.

          Even if it means dismantling or violating free speech or the human rights protected freedom to seek, receive and impart information, something which you often advocate is reasonable.

        • Anonymous

          You can carry on stalking my posts Freddie quoting your opinions and unusual brand of jailhouse law. However, being that YOU HAVE NO EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER in creating or monetizing creative media in an online marketplace and have no commercially available copyrighted media to your name (whether available free with alternative revenue generation or direct consumer cost) , I’m going to be paying precious little attention to the ramblings of a “weak failed armchair quarterback”

        • Fredrika

          > “You can carry on stalking my posts Freddie..”

          I try to respond to all comments from those who seem to have a hard time getting the facts straight. If some because of that feel followed, the reason for that is that they are either paranoid or completely unable of posting comments were they don’t resort to logical fallacies, get the facts wrong or use unsustainable reasoning, as you did in your previous comment, where you for some bizarre reason claimed that a customer is unreasonable for expecting delivery of that which he has paid for, and that it on the other hand is reasonable for such delivery to be interrupted because of unproven claims from third parties who hold no authoritative position.

          Obviously that is not the case, arguing otherwise would indicate one is suffering from delusion of grandeur, believing that all other entrepreneurs businesses should centre around the allegations from the accuser.

          > “..quoting your opinions..”

          I rarely put forward any opinions. Please quote what you believe to be an opinion and i will help to you to read it properly and understand what it actually says, and that it in no way has anything to do with my opinion.

          > “..and unusual brand of jailhouse law.”

          Would that be the free market rules, where no entrepreneur is privileged with a legislative monopoly? Yeah that must be horrifying for weak failed entrepreneurs that can’t handle themselves on the free market.

          > “However, being that YOU HAVE NO EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER in creating or monetizing creative media in an online marketplace and have no commercially available copyrighted media to your name (whether available free with alternative revenue generation or direct consumer cost)..”

          No one’s occupation has any relevance whatsoever regarding any of the claims i put forward. If you believe otherwise, please quote the claim in question and i will explain to you why no one’s occupation has any relevance whatsoever to it.

          Secondly, as explained to you before, you have no knowledge whatsoever of what i do. The reason i responded as did your previous question regarding if i create was because unlike you i have integrity, and i would never dream of trying to argue that my occupation makes my arguments any more worth, true or relevant. Doing otherwise is a logical fallacy, something you often resort to though, when nothing else works.

          > “..I’m going to be paying precious little attention the ramblings”

          I understand you are afraid of being discovered as someone who has no sustainable arguments at all, a fact everyone can clearly verify by looking back at your comments from the last couple of months, and about a hundred argumentative threads which you quietly left, every single one of them.

        • Anonymous

          I didn’t read a word of that. Like I said, I wont be paying any attention to your opinions or jailhouse law.

        • Fredrika

          > “I didn’t read a word of that. Like I said, I wont be paying any attention to your opinions or jailhouse law.”

          Of course you are free to come up with any excuses you can think of, to hide the fact that you are in evidently completely unable to produce any sustainable arguments when every single claim or reasoning you’ve put forward has been proven incorrect, illogical or false.

          This is nothing new, as several people has pointed out, when looking back upon everything you have written over the last couple of months. It is in fact a clear unmistakable pattern, identical to that of trolls.

          But rest assured i will reply to every single comment you make, if see them, to in detail point to all others who reads them, how your arguments are unsustainable and incorrect.

          Whether or not you then disappear quietly or desperately try to produce more illogical reasoning to cover your previously erroneous comments makes no difference to me whatsoever. This is not about you and it never has been.

        • Danny

           @PelouzeTF:disqus (Peloser)

          You always resort to accusing people of stalking when your arguments get decimated. Please grow up.

        • Guest

          Fredrika, the bot is back? What a surprise. Just ignore it, people.

        • Fredrika

          > “Fredrika, the bot is back? What a surprise. Just ignore it, people.”

          I understand you give that instruction to the pro-copyright trolls, because coming up with actual sustainable arguments seems to be impossible for you people.

        • No1_2_u

          “Makes you look like the unreasonable party, not your Internet provider.”

          So if you buy a brand new (i.e. direct from the factory) fully loaded car, & you realize, as you’re driving out of the dealership that, the AC doesn’t work, you get 1 channel on the radio, & the thing is stuck in first gear, you don’t complain?

          Sounds to me like you’re a retard asking to be “serviced” (i.e. F’ed in the A w/ a cactus) by every business out there; so go ahead, don’t be “unreasonable”, you’re in for some nasty surprises in life…

        • AN-o-o-NA

          @PelouzeTF:disqus
          When are you going to realise………..you’re the one doing the stalking ?
          You are obsessed. (literally with hatred of people sharing)
          Go get help please…..before you lose your mind and do something stupid.

            @OurBubbles:twitter  systematically addresses your argument.
          That must be hard for you to take…. someone actually calling you out….. on your bullshit ramblings that are induced by…… your preexisting hatred.

        • Chubbysumo

           a letter from a third party does not constitute proof of an AUP or ToS violation.  They can throttle you for other reasons, but a letter alledgeing your downloading something does not give them the grounds to throttle you, or even kick you.  You can only be kicked off your ISPs network for an AUP violation proof(via a judgement from a judge in the media companys favor), and a DMCA letter, or a letter from this company is far from an AUP violation proof(in fact, they dont even stand up in civil court).  This third party is irrelevant to the BBB complaint, since it could be completely false, and because its a third party, its “hearsay” which is not accepted at all into the BBB complaint system.

          ISPs must deliver 80% of their advertised speeds(that you pay for), 80% of the time.  If they do not meet this obligation, then you are elegible for service credits, or if you are on a long term contract, you can get out of it.  This is the letter of the law.  80% of payed for speeds, and 80% uptime(discounting natural disasters and things of the like).

      • LawyerSeeder

        Forget the BBB, they are a bunch of clowns who don’t do anything except take payoffs from businesses — they have zero clout.  You need to report bad business to whatever state agency, dept., or bureau issues business licenses or corporate charters in that state.  THEY are the ones with the power to put them out of business… the BBB is just a shill for businesses… they accept money for “approval ratings” and do nothing else unless the business has been successfully sued multiple times or convicted of criminal activity.

    • Anonymous

      You’ll get disconnected. That’ll teach them lol

      • Danny

         I plan to disconnect your head from your body, that’ll teach you.

        • Anonymous

           You don’t plan on doing jack shit pal.

        • Danny

          @PelouzeTF:disqus

          Hey “pal” (you yanks really shit on our language don’t you).

          You are correct, I don’t plan to rip your head off, I am no crazy man.

          I was just trying to make a point, you will quite happily cut peoples lives off in aid of accused (but not proven in any way) copyright infringement. The Internet is used by many people to buy essential goods (a lot of people can’t physically ‘shop’ especially in your homeland), get information relating to personal health, free medical advice, free communication with family, etc, etc. The EU regard the Internet as a basic human right because of its various uses. Its definitely worth cutting their connection because of some failed business model that you fail to give a good argument for.

      • IDIOCRACY

         @PelouzeTF What is there to be disconnected when you have a prepaid 3G modem, just buy another prepaid simcard and go on like before?… no loss, as long as you keep the amount of prepaid credit same as one day calling… hehe.

        Or what is there to be disconnected when using a huge public WIFI??

        the whole system described in this article, is soon to be useless where I live, due to free uncensored WIFI in the whole city …. so where are you then Looser To F*ck.

        Sharing is caring (read the bible).

  • Master

    “In other words, nothing will happen under the program. People who receive more than 6 warnings are removed from the system.”

    Lol what?

    • Anyone

      sounds like a good compromise
      the ISP appear to be doing something for the MAFIAA but don’t piss off their customers

    • 766

       Its just the beginning though. After everyone accepts it, they’ll start pushing for things to be tougher. Dont take it lightly. They’ll erode everything you have bit by bit.

      • Guest

        Don’t worry mate, its all going underground :D

        • Webz

           Like it used to be..

    • OBEY

      “That user would be considered a subscriber the program is unable to reach”

      I don´t really think this means that “They” will let you off the hook and let you do whatever you have been doing. I think this means that “They” are giving the infringer six warnings BEFORE “they” send you to another not-so-polite agency that will do whatever they can to track you down.

      • Techanon

        That’s the plan. And it’s a win-win scenario for both ISP’s and copyright enforcers, the first get an excuse to throttle, the second get 6 reasons to sobpoena people for settlement money and/or lawsuits.

  • Nope

     >a third party company such as DtecNet or PeerMedia

    Yeah, I really trust them to be accurate at possible, everyone better get ready for their printers to suddenly slow down…

  • Guest

    rather than looking at this as a warning imagine this:

    You were proven to breach the copy right law six times.

    You were found guilty six times, which further discredits any further defense

    Once people with more than six infringement are identified their traffic will be monitored and just because they say that they wont track anything but p2p doesn’t mean that they wont.

    Which means that if there is a connection between government bashing (conspiracies) and copy right infringement then you will automatically have your file in their database.

    Every time you have to visit a court or deal with any sort of alleged breach of law or a legislative rule of law you will have six reasons as to why you are a bad person (not a human being we cant have that!)

    Once you get out of court (guilty) you will lose the right to bare arms, you will lose your ability to travel and who knows they might even get into a fema camp.

    Most importantly copy right sham will succeed at creating another stepping stone towards internet 2 (cloud computing)

    Once you get onto their network you WILL lose your rights and submit to their authority through some sort of contract that you would simply click to accept.

    You lose.

    • Anyone

      or just get a VPN and continue to boycott the MAFIAA
      and if there are any ISP not part of this scheme switch to them.

      problem solved

      • Go to hell US

        Don’t get a US based VPN such as VyprVPN or even use a US VPN location from overseas VPNs. They can log you pretty straight

    • Djxedxd

      Sounds like a pretty good movie. LOL

    • YARIGHT

      @ parent poster …IT states 6 alleged infringements whose needing to be guilty?

      hey i am accusing you of murder cause you held a hammer once …don’t care you didnt do anything BUT you held a weapon others have used in crimes therefore your guilty , electric chair for you…

      great country you live in hitler would be proud….

      • Techanon

        That’s precisely the kind of world them, copyright lobbyists, are trying to create.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

    Mark my words:

    Libraries and Starbucks around the US will be the ones hit first.  I can’t wait and I have my popcorn ready.

    • Glib

      Pretty good chance “business” Internet accounts will not be subject to this for your exact reasoning; business accounts generally have a LOT of users behind them.

      They’ll very likely only target consumer accounts, thus a far more likely chance of it being a family.  Also, more likely the parents are paying for the account (a.k.a. easily scared chumps).

  • Anonymoose

    So ALL P2P sharing will be considered copyright infringement? What about us that publish our own content through sites such as The Pirate Bay? Will we be throttled or shut down for a temporary period just because we share our own content?

    • Anyone

      I’m thinking they are monitoring specific swarms

      but then again they could just randomly generate IP addresses and be just as accurate.

    • Sandy Frazier

      Definitely.  The guy I’m getting a custom Linux distro from is getting throttled straight to hell.

  • Guest

    Take a power cable and hook it to a coax and plug it in to the wall, blow the whole damn node and let them come replace everyone’s tv’s and such…

  • Guest

    Fascism has come to the Internet. WAKE UP SHEEPLE this is not about copyright!

    • Anyone
    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

      … Where have YOU been?

      Did you miss the SOPA debates?  The CISPA issues?  The ACTA?  The TPP arguments?

      The FISA scandals?  The Patriot Act legal cases?  The problems of the Espionage Act?  The lack of mens rea in the 4450 laws and statutes in the US?  The problems of plea bargaining?

      If you really want to raise the alarm on fascism, that happened in the 80s.

    • YARIGHT

      next up …..you will need a license for owning hammers , baseball bats , pencils anything that has ever been used as a weapon and if you dont your guilty of having used them like in a murder….

      great nation lol but hey lets not give em ideas right …( giggles as we all give them ideas and make the people just that bit further closer to revolting )

      hey this is great i want this law….give em everything they want lets all be in jails 
      feels like a continuum episode where i’ll be damned to feel good about some idiot corporate future cop cause shes got a kid….fuck em all i say let what ever religion you believe in sort it out as long as it dont rape lil kids i say….

      i’m telling ya all straight up im sick a cops being heroes cause they arent any more. THERE DUMB SHIT corporate lackeys and in the usa its no more evident then when the fbi got caught pulling agents off missing kids cases to do this kinda shit….

      YUP lets kick all hte kids off internet and get you all out in the street DAMN RIGHT party it up and get out there and in masses its all going to plan now it wont be ten years at the mpaa riaa rate that they will be utterly destroyed as the next 3 generations after me rebels utterly for the short term profits of a very very few. there aren’t enough army men and cops in north america to turn it into nazi germany let me tell ya ….. 
      and buy lots a dope and dont pay any taxes when ya can and buy as much as ya can off any black market starve there system to death…..

      take a apge from elite hackers 
      fuck the system by letting it eat itself.

      • bobbutts

        Seems like you have something to say.. Do yourself a favor and learn to write properly, otherwise people will ignore you.

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  • Anon1

    PeerBlock + BTGuard = FUCK YOU MAFIAA.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gear-Mentation/100003097514663 Gear Mentation

      BTGuard is a terrible service.  I tried it and couldn’t connect and there is no customer service, in contrast to other VPNs.  I could only connect on their encrypted line, and that was about 10 to 30 kilobits per second. Don’t use them.  And make sure your connection is encrypted.

      • A cheap-ass bastard

         Hell, Even IPREDator is better than BTguard.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gear-Mentation/100003097514663 Gear Mentation

          Actually they don’t have strong encryption yet.  I wrote them and they said they were going to have good encryption by June or July… I forget.  Soon anyway.  I trust them more because of their history, I know they will do whatever they can to protect people, unlike some other VPNs, some of which keep logs.

        • Alex Bers

           and PirateRay is also good, no logs, only encrypted SSH connections and great customer support

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  • Guest

    I’ve been working on the road and stay in hotels alot. I d-load a movie , load it up to my google drive and give the access info to friends so they don’t get letters. I wonder how long this will last….

  • 7seven85

    Time to start a VPN service, there is clearly a business to make here.

    • Anonymous

       If you are in Comcast’s service area, get their business class, plus a VPN, encrypt everything (hey, it’s a business, you have good reason to stay private), share with friends to cover the extra cost of the services, basically become their download service.

  • NewDay

    Roll on P2P , Next Level.

  • http://Not.Telling/ Kr0nZ

    Honestly, I dont really have any problem with this program.
    Look at it this way if you drive and speed you get tickets, get enough tickets and you cant drive.Why should this same logic NOT be applied to the internet? When you goto the store you have to abide by certain rules, (for example, No shirt, no shoes, no service.), dont abide by there rules then you cant shop there.When we share stuff online after the copyright holder has asked us not to then we are breaking their rules. When we speed we are breaking government rules. When we go into a store with no shirt, if they asked otherwise, we breaking their rules.When we speed we can take certain measures not to be caught, like dont speed around cops, buy a police scanner, get rotating license plate, employ tacks and oil slick etc.If you want to wear no shirt or shoes in stores then you goto stores that dont care.Now if we want to continue sharing stuff online we now need to take measures to protect ourself, like dont use services that expose you to a 3rd party, hide yourself behind VPNs or proxys.

    So it would really be any different than what we are doing now, except now the copyright holder wont continue (hopefully) pursuing us end users who just sharing for sharing.

    • Anyone

      the “copyright owner” should have no right to tell me what I can and cannot share

      it’s a matter of principle, they should just shut up.
      if they don’t want their content shared they should not release it.

      • http://Not.Telling/ Kr0nZ

        So do you walk into in restaurant and demand a $20 steak for $4.99?

        If they dont want to provide you with a $20 steak for $4.99 then they should just close up shop?

        • Guest

          Your comparison of sharing files to demanding a $20 steak for $4.99 makes no goddamn sense what so ever. 

          Just thought you might want to know.

        • Steak

           Will the restaurant let me share that steak with my wife? How about my kids? There’s enough for all of us.

        • YARIGHT

          2005 a cdr of new rap music cost 29.95
          cost of stomped cdr 10 cents label and case mass produced 10-20 cents to artist is HIGH profile 50 cents 

          it would be more akin to going to the restaurant and paying 200$ for a steak
          80$ for a carton of milk ….you’d have people sneaking up on farmers killing cows and milking them during the night to get some….OR they’d go elsewhere to another nation where the price was far lower like i dunno the nation next to you.

          when you apply copyright to other sectors it wont ever work cause then we’d all be carrying wheelbarrows full a cash for everything and it then all becomes the point of WTF are we doing it for….( looks around at all the trees OR oil canuck money is now plastic LOL , that has been used for nothing….)

        • Anonymous

          Or you could find a dead bug and bring it with you to the restaraunt, eat most of the $20.00 steak, put the bug on the plate and get the steak for $0.00. Haven’t tried it in about 40 years.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

      Look at it this way if you drive and speed you get tickets, get enough tickets and you cant drive.
      Why should this same logic NOT be applied to the internet?

      Because copyright infringement and the enforcement of digital abundance  is ridiculous and counter intuitive to progressing the Arts and Sciences and making money. 

      When you goto the store you have to abide by certain rules, (for example, No shirt, no shoes, no service.), dont abide by there rules then you cant shop there.

      Great, but that doesn’t mean they get to control my computer and what I put on it.

      When we share stuff online after the copyright holder has asked us not to then we are breaking their rules.

      Okay, then when I go to sites that have none of their crap, they shouldn’t be mad when I don’t give them their money.  You see the point here?  They want control of where people go, and they could give a damn about copyright.  Too bad it won’t work.

      When we speed we are breaking government rules. 
      Wrong.  Look into the difference of prima facie speeding laws and absolute laws in speeding.  You can speed in states so long as you’re driving safely.  Also, you should look into who is has discretion on who is charged in speeding laws.  Police decide to give people tickets and it has not one damn thing to do with safety.

      When we speed we can take certain measures not to be caught, like dont speed around cops, buy a police scanner, get rotating license plate, employ tacks and oil slick etc

      Or fight the damn ticket, prove your case mathematically, and show the prosecutor that the cop was full of shit and you can prove it logically.

      Now if we want to continue sharing stuff online we now need to take measures to protect ourself, like dont use services that expose you to a 3rd party, hide yourself behind VPNs or proxys.

      Or vote out the obstructionist conservatives in various countries that agree with this crap, make them normal citizens and enjoy the freedom to choose where we get content and who we support with our finances.

      So it wouldn’t really be any different than what we are doing now, except now the copyright holder wont continue (hopefully) pursuing us end users who just sharing for sharing.

      Dude, wake up.  The RIAA and MPAA have an ear with the government.  So long as they have that captured audience, the public has little to no say in these rules that were not negotiated on behalf of the public.  So long as we have a captured government, expect more rules to continue until we rise up and fight these obstructionists.

      • http://Not.Telling/ Kr0nZ

        Great, but that doesn’t mean they get to control my computer and what I put on it.
        That wasn’t the point, when someone provides something (stores to shop in, roads to drive on) we abide by certain rules.

        Okay, then when I go to sites that have none of their crap, they shouldn’t be mad when I don’t give them their money.

        Exactly, if your not sharing their crap too begin with you wouldnt pop up on their radar

        They want control of where people go, and they could give a damn about copyright.  Too bad it won’t work.

        Well this maybe true, this program has nothing to do with blocking website.

        Look into the difference of prima facie speeding laws and absolute laws in speeding.

        Again not the point, we still follow certain rules for the privilege to drive on roads

        Or fight the damn ticket, prove your case mathematically, and show the prosecutor that the cop was full of shit and you can prove it logically.

        Sorry for not including it in my examples, I’m guessing that this program offers a way to object to these infringments.

        Or vote out the obstructionist conservatives in various countries that agree with this crap, make them normal citizens and enjoy the freedom to choose where we get content and who we support with our finances.

        Yes but you gotta take baby steps, I would still rather have my ISP conducting this rather than the MAFIAA whos only interest is profit

        • A guy

           Oh look, it’s a troll.

        • Billows

          The police are a public utility. We pay for the police to enforce rules most of us agree on. I have no problem with speed limits in principle, and if I’m ticketed, fair enough. If I don’t like a law, at the very least, I have the power to try to change the law.

          The strike system has no legal or public component. It’s private citizens trying to dictate to other private citizens what they will and will not do with private property, and trying to radically change the way we read, watch and listen to things. If I don’t like it, tough, so same to them.

    • Guest

      Proving that someone has exceeded the speed limit is easier than proving that someone has infringed the copyright monopoly. And the problem with holding the account holder responsible for any activity on his connection is like holding the car owner responsible for another using his car to commit a crime. It doesn’t happen in the physical world that the owner of a object which is stolen or misused by another gets the punishment. The car owner is the victim, like the account holder whose internet connection is misused by another to commit copyright infringement.

    • Guest

      >Look at it this way if you drive and speed you get tickets, get enough tickets and you cant drive.
      Why should this same logic NOT be applied to the internet?
      Because good luck to you if you expect the “independent” identification methods to be accurate. If you get enough tickets from driving you will, at best, have photographs of your license plate. On the other hand, the RIAA has hit so many dolphins in their litigation operations it’s not even funny. (Cara Duckworth has once claimed that “When you fish with a driftnet, expect to catch a few dolphins.”)
      You won’t think it’s so funny when you’re a dolphin.

  • IRFS

    IT’S REALLY FUCKING SCARY! 
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeDd61n0Kqs 

    • Some guy

       That isn’t relevant.

      • IRFS

        Au Contraire!

        That short clip sums up nicely the futility of the MAFIAA “six strikes” scare campaign. That’s all it is. Just a Cheap Trick.

        Plus that clip is FUNNY AS SHIT!

      • http://www.facebook.com/orphicdragon Trisha Lynn Dragon

        He’s right. That is funny as shit. 

    • Sandy Frazier

       :P  That’s about right… although really you need to worry more about a virus load…

  • Angry

    I have my ISP’s most expensive package, with “superfast” internet. But I have to download at midnight because during the day I get throttled, I pay for the stupid thing so why can’t I use it! And I can’t switch ISP because in my area they are limiting all other ISP’s to 2mbps because they own the line. 

  • Guest

    And for the benefit of the shill, an IP address does not identify an infringer. An IP address might likely point at an an internet connection, with a NAT router. The NAT router may or may not provide internet access to all members in the household, whose members may or may not have permission to use the connection. And just to be clear, it’s possible to extract even a WPA2 key from the operating system if the computer is sent in for repair. If I run a computer repair shop, and I have the postal address of someone sending in his computer for repair, I can obtain his wireless key drive to his home and get on his wifi without him being able to disprove that he is the responsible party.

    • IDIOCRACY

       My IP address will pop up as the main IP address of the ISP, it is the gateway of their mobile network. that means my (mobile dual 3G and soon LTE) modem has an internal network IP address starting with 10.XXX.XXX.XXX.
      In other words, there is now way my IP address can be linked to any down or upload. My ISP has more than a million mobile subscribers using that same range of gateway IP addresses from the ISP. so multiple connections to the same IP address and multiple P2P connections there… so when the ISP is not keeping an extensive log of every connection with every other IP address at every given moment and coupled to every internal IP address with multiple connections outbound… well to keep that amount of data from the NAT stored and search-able for a specific connection….. how many do you think the ISP can provide per day….. can’t be more than a few….. and it will be very expensive. 

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     What The Server Provides great OpenVPN Tunnels should def check us out

    • Anonymous

      “What The Server Provides great OpenVPN Tunnels should def check us out”

      This is what I got when trying to access your site:

      “There is a problem with this website’s security
      certificate.”

      “The securitycertificate presented by this website was not issued by a trusted certificate
      authority.”

      “Security certificate problems may indicate an attempt to fool you or intercept
      any data you send to the server.”

      So basically, Screw You. I’ll pay for my VPN.

  • YARIGHT

    “If ISPs receive additional allegations of copyright infringement”…..i’m gonna send warnings to all isps about every ip they have …..
    haha funny i wonder if ya could game it so you all get shut off LOL.

  • Jebus Corpus

    “The tracking will be done by a third party company
    such as DtecNet or PeerMedia. These companies collect IP-addresses from
    BitTorrent swarms and send their findings directly to the Internet
    providers.

    The lists with infringing IP-addresses are not shared with the MPAA, RIAA or other third parties.”

    Wait, WHAT? So the copyright holders will not be sending out these notices? Only a copyright holder can verify if a swarm is infringing. So will they tell the monitor agencies which swarms to monitor, or will the monitoring agencies just guess?

    Who knows what we’ll be getting them for? If the DMCA takedown record is any indication, two fifths of strikes from copyright holders would be illegitimate … and they’re not running this program, so the number of bogus strikes will likely be much higher. What if one out of every two strikes is for legal sharing?

  • foff

    Fuck you mpaa and riaa go to hell.  ISP’s are not fucking nanny policemen and should not do this.  I don’t pay for this shit to get monitored.  Fortunately in my area I have two good alternatives so I can just switch ips’s at a whim and it starts fresh.  Anyway the only thing they will monitor are popular tv shows and movies.  I down load most of those off of cyberlockers.  So kiss my goddamn ass riaa and mpaa your six strike thing is illegal as hell bullshit.

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  • Andrew Lee

     Strike laws never work just look at Cali with the 3 strike prison laws. They just ended up being forced to let out thousands since they could not afford to keep them all.

    If these morons would actually spend their money on innovation and better products “piracy” might not be such a big deal. They need to realize that the 1% will never be able to out think the 99%. Yeah there are some smart people out there doing their best to 1up us all but the fact remains that there are many people that will always be smarter.

    Look at Adobe for example with their absurd anti-piracy system. It stood practically zero percent chance of actually stopping anyone.
    Another good example was Diablo 3.. approx 6 to 8 hours after the closed beta started hackers already had it bypassed for private public use.

    They should stop wasting millions on anti-piracy and just fucking put it into their products. People will support stuff they like pretty much all the time if they can afford it.

    There is only one reason these ISPs are playing along.. “It’s to shut them the fuck up” They’re not going to do anything that’s going to cause them lose money.

    Example.
    Comcast. Money> RIAA/MPAA

    The only logical answer I can think of for the six strikes is to make it more easy to extort the public. They make far too much from abusing the law to actually want piracy to stop. They can put on their anti-piracy act all they like but I don’t buy it one bit.

     Some piracy lawsuits actually brings in more money than the movie itself.
    Now based on that tell me would you want something that is extremely profitable to stop? I know I wouldn’t… The day they will actually want piracy to stop will be the day when the courts stop these ridiculous lawsuits.

  • YARIGHT

    just remember 84% of the pro hollywood govt across canada poll/survey found that canada did not want a copyright law and with 200 ridings under investigation for election fraud and there prior settlement of election fraud this so called 9-10 seat majority in canada for pro hollywood and pro coorporations doesn’t look so tight …

    LOOK at what they up here are trying ot do ram a bill through so fast that makes over 60+ changes to laws and guts a few others. THEY are scared and know they cheated why else bunch up the bills….into one. it is so bad a nut bar killed someone and sent body parts to the liberals and conservatives both pro corporate parties and in league with hollywood. 

    it wont go well for corporations in 3 years in canada with all the tax breaks NOT creating jobs and NOT benefiting us ….and they have 580 billion sitting in banks up here DOING NOTHING and the screwing of everyone under 55 to force them to retire later so they then can buy f35 fighter jets no one wants. SORRY ITS coming up on the end game for these types and they know it.

    ask dean del maesro if he enjoyed kissing the pope whom has allegations of some sick stuff and that popes helping nazis escape justice ….

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    Thats some pretty scary stuff dude. Wow.
    Anon-not.tk

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1617612448 George Andrew Warren

    does this affect users of very exclusive small private trackers, whose swarms are almost definitely NOT monitored?
    Or is this for downloading anything on bittorrent protocol?

    • 2-Cans/w/String

      It affects everyone.  ALL your traffic will be monitored. 

      IF YOU DISCONNECT you will be ARRESTED! 

      Face it.  You’re TOTALLY FUCKED! 

    • Glib

      Anyone can hop in on your private swarms; hacked clients ignore the private flag and put the torrent into the DHT which can be searched (it’s how I hop into what.cd torrents).

      However, private tracker swarms are so tiny compared to 1 hour later when the rest of the Internet tracks it, it’s hardly worth the effort … but they COULD do it, if they were bored.

    • domchristopher

      I’m fairly certain the ISPs are monitoring traffic, not swarms.

      • Asashii

        i encrypt so all they see is traffic not bit torrent traffic, speeds increase i promise

  • Mark

    When noobs get the warnings then all they will do is find out more about how to hide they IP or how to apply some elses. This wont have much effect really and will only drive people to use and find other ways to do what they want.

  • NewClear

    I get the feeling ISPs are just playing along to get the copyright cops to shut up. (Except maybe Comcast, their customer service sucks and they were one of the main funders of SLOPA/PIMPA)
    You can’t please them. They want more and more control and will stop at nothing to get it. Think about it: Extension of copyrights to 70 years after the creator’s death, excessive criminal penalties, mass removal and monitoring tools for the internet, regulation over new technologies. Clearly these actions are designed to benefit large corporations, not individual creators like copyright was original intended for. The only way to stop the MAFIAA from getting more control is to bar them from it permanently.

  • http://www.facebook.com/SexyBabesForum Brian Dougherty

    Just get a Real-debrid or Alldebrid account and download from file host they are only monitor bittorrent sites 

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  • Anonymous

    US courts have already stated the IP address doesn’t indicate the user, just the account holder, so all this is designed for is to give the entertainment industries an excuse to convince Congress that more strict, draconian laws are needed and a means to get more people into court. it also gives those same members in Congress the excuse to ramp up further the surveillance laws as well. the entertainment industries will continue to keep their heads in the sand (up their arse?), deny there is anything more they need to/can do to stop ‘piracy’ and still not give customers what they keep asking for. the situation gets more ridiculous by the minute and all because the biggest profit making, but also biggest whining industry on the planet, wont do what it already knows it needs to do and will eventually have to do!

  • Noda

    “does this affect users of very exclusive small private trackers, whose swarms are almost definitely NOT monitored?
    Or is this for downloading anything on bittorrent protocol?”

    Private trackers are no more secure than public trackers. And the law does not exempt sharing among friends from its reach. Most “private” trackers are only private in the sense that you have to get an invite to sign up, or you have to know one, who knows the owner to be validated.

    If there are 20 members of a tracker, it only requires one bad apple to rat out the rest, and if you don’t believe that any friend  would rat out another to the government, I advise you to review previous cases mentioned on Torrentfreak.

    If the government offers a weak minded person the choice between a plea bargain or a long prison sentence, even love and affection is often overcome by the will to survive.

    Most people aren’t prepared for government interrogation.

    The first golden rule is never talking to any government official.
    Prior to arrest, the government may use any form of trickery or deception to frighten you either to make incriminating statements, or tell a lie for which the government may later prosecute you.

    The lie does not have to be material to the copyright case but may relate to anything. If the nice looking FBI agent asks if you know Joe Blow whose username was found in the private tracker’s database, and you answers untruthfully no, where the answer is yes, you have committed a federal crime.

    The second rule is never consenting to any government search of your property or pperson.
    If the government does not have probable cause to search your computer or home, it must get your consent. If you consent, the government may use any evidence found during the search against you at trial.
    Most pirates don’t know the law and are careless with their own security.

    The third rule is never telling anything to your friends or family about your file sharing. If they get called at witnesses during trial, anything they know may be used to impeach your testimony.

    • guest

      Its not a federal crime to lie unless its under oath with penalty of purjury.

      • Asashii

        try saying your a cop, and see where that will get, since you seem to know federal law so well

  • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

    “In other words, nothing will happen under the program. People who receive more than 6 warnings are removed from the system. They wont receive any further warnings or punishments and are allowed to continue using their Internet service as usual.”
    I kinda find it hard to believe. Nothing will happen? In USA? Ha! As if. Maybe you will be removed from program and your credentials will be given to greedy corps to sue you in mass lawsuit to get money. This way they don’t even need court order to identify you from your IP. Program will do that for them. Simple.

  • Splatt2001

    This is a great site. But I really can’t believe the sense of entitlement and delusional justification here.

    I hate the RIAA and MPAA. Their tactics are unconstitutional. often times illegal and completely disgusting. Not to mention the fact that they are completely insane.

    But let’s call a spade a spade. Even if it doesn’t meet the legal definition of the term, downloading copyrighted material is stealing. It’s called common sense. A company produced a product with the intent of selling it. People copy it and make available for anybody to have free of charge. Just because there is no tangible physical product being taken you are still getting something you aren’t supposed to have without paying money for it.

    Sharing is me loaning a Blu Ray to a friend. Not me putting a Blu Ray rip on the internet for millions of strangers to download and keep forever for free.

    I don’t have any problem with Bit Torrent at all. Love it, actually. And the only thing all the bluster from the idiots in Hollywood is going to accomplish is to force this stuff underground in where it’s impossible to track.

    But every action has a reaction. Movies and music will do just fine. Bit torrent isn’t going to put a dent in that. But what about other mediums. Comic books for example. The industry was hurting to begin with. Now with the big publishers losing even more sales to Bit Torrent, the industry could die all together. Which really wouldn’t matter to the general public. I think at this point most publishers are just using comics as merchandising lines for the movies. But it’s not that far fetched.

    It’s the Walmart mentality. People will shop there to save a few pennies and they could care less that WalMart is destroying local economies. Nobody looks at the big picture. And society has just developed an every person for themselves mentality. I’m just as guilty. I don’t shop at Walmart. But I’m not going to pay for something I can get for free.

    But I also know what I’m doing is wrong. I don’t act as if it’s my right to steal. Or act like my civil rights are being violated every time the RIAA blinks.

    Some people need to get off their high horses and stop acting like we are entitled to whatever we want for free. People do this because, as of yet, the rights holders haven’t found a way to stop us. Not because it’s some sort of constitutionally protected right to steal shit.

    • Anonymous

      Please explain how making a copy of something is stealing.
      Show evidence that everytime someone makes a copy a real tangible good vanishes.

      Show evidence that with some of the largest profits in years that the movie and music industry are earning that they are being damaged.

      Please explain how punishing consumers chasing imaginary dollars they were unlikely to get anyways is a good idea.

      Please explain how when NetFlix is proven to decrease “piracy”, the studios insist on getting more money from NetFlix and try to destroy it?

      Please explain how music labels still get breakage allowances in contracts for vinyl discs when they no longer produce vinyl?

      Please explain how for consumers it is a license but when it comes time to pay the artists it is not?

      Please explain how delaying content to some parts of the world makes any sense when the rest of the world is discussing it already.

      Please explain how nothing enters the public domain anymore, that silly thing where content is supposed to end up after the copyright term is done that was the trade off to exclusive rights for a LIMITED time.

      Please explain how a company run by a lobbyist PR firm has a right to inject themselves into contracts between consumers and their ISPs.

      Please explain how adding another few minutes of unskippable piracy warnings and previews to discs that people already paid for isn’t shitting on your paying customers.

      Please explain how in an age where digital distribution is possible, they still whine about a lack of CD sales.  CD player sales are down too.

      Please explain how since 1980 the best step forward they managed to make was UltraViolet a system requiring 4 separate logins to work perfectly so you can watch a movie.

      Please explain why they refuse to make content available when there is demand.

      Please explain why this tracking tech that lead to the FBI raiding the wrong home is allowed to be used.

      Please explain why I have to pay $35 to even try and challenge their findings, when they refuse to admit anything entered the public domain since 1923.

      Please explain if they are loosing all of these kajillion of dollars why not a single one of them has failed for lack of sales, and the carcass of EMI full of content rendered “worthless” by piracy sold for just over 4 billion dollars.  (EMI failed, but not because of piracy)

      They declared war first, they treated their customers like pirates and wonder why they are now pirates.  They have held back innovation and demanded special laws to keep pretending it is still 1950 and that they are relevant.  The world changed, and its time for them to catch up.

    • Jimbo

       a) copying isn’t stealing. it is, well, copying

      b) the entertainment industries do not differentiate between sharing with friends and sharing with the masses. they still sue for a minimum of $140,000

      c) they still cannot prove that sharing with the masses has a big impact on sales

      d) they assume that every download is a ‘lost sale’ without having any proof to back that up

      e) they still release stuff spasmodically rather than universally

      f) not prepared to do it themselves for free, they dont want legally bought stuff to be converted for other devices, but at the same time, expect people to buy all their products that allow that converting, burning, etc to be done.

      the entertainment industries want the best of all worlds, all of the time, whilst expecting customers to continuously support them but treat those customers like crap in return! they are not entitled to have their products bought, they are not entitled to charge extortionate amounts for their products and complain when they are not bought and are not entitled to be protected over any other industry, particularly when it it is to the detriment of people and their rights!

      • Stenlychow

        In the end the people will decide through their reps.  Its never been
        about right and wrong, its a conflict of interest and about balance. 
        The govt. has supported “wrong parties” in the past in public interest
        (cotton gin, kinetograph).  No right or wrong, just public interest. 
        Lets face it, the film industry is unreasonable
        (http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones). 

    • Fredrika

      > “Even if it doesn’t meet the legal definition of the term, downloading copyrighted material is stealing.”

      Manufacturing something with your own property, that you own and have paid for, can never ever be stealing, regardless of if we stick to the facts, or if we try semantic use of the word. It isn’t even stealing when it means putting one’s own property rights ahead of a legislative monopoly’s intrusion into one’s property rights, as people do when they perform copyright infringement.

      > “It’s called common sense.”

      Common sense would be understanding what the word stealing actually means.

      > “A company produced a product with the intent of selling it. People copy it and make available for anybody to have free of charge.”

      That’s how the free market works. Do you have a problem with the free market? Do you advocate communism or a planned economy?

      > “Just because there is no tangible physical product being taken you are still getting something you aren’t supposed to have without paying money for it.”

      Here you seem to confuse the intellectual work with the physical copy. The intellectual work does not constitute property, and it can therefore not be owned, sold or bought, so it’s never the intellectual work you pay for, it’s the goods or service. And the property used to manufacture copies by people filesharing is already theirs and paid for. So contrary to what you claim in your incorrect and illogical claim, they have indeed paid for it.

      > “Sharing is me loaning a Blu Ray to a friend. Not me putting a Blu Ray rip on the internet for millions of strangers to download and keep forever for free.”

      People do not put blu-ray rips on the Internet. The put information there describing the physical patterns of their own property, which they own and have paid for. Sharing information about your own property is sharing regardless of your opinion.

      > “But what about other mediums. Comic books for example. The industry was hurting to begin with. Now with the big publishers losing even more sales to Bit Torrent, the industry could die all together.

      Many forms of culture have disappeared over the ages, that’s how reality works.

      > “Nobody looks at the big picture.”

      The big picture is that no evidence exists to support the thesis that filesharing constitutes an actual problem to either culture, society, creators, the goal with copyright or the content industries current record revenues.

      > “But I also know what I’m doing is wrong.”

      Does everybody have to share your personal subjective opinion about what’s wrong, even when your opinion seems to be based on getting the facts wrong, re-writing reality and general ignorance?

      > “I don’t act as if it’s my right to steal.”

      Nobody claims that, so that’s a straw-man argument. However, it is a human right to seek, receive and impart information, which is an exact description of filesharing. And it is a human right to have private anonymous communication, in which you just happen to be able to fileshare.

      > “Or act like my civil rights are being violated every time the RIAA blinks.”

      Well that would be more ignorance on your behalf then, because they are indeed advocating a dismantling of free speech and the human rights protected freedom to seek, receive and impart information. And they are advocating reversed burden of proof, and they are advocating an end to anonymity and private communication.

      > “Some people need to get off their high horses and stop acting like we are entitled to whatever we want for free.”

      People are obviously entitled to their own property, which they own and have paid for. You have a problem with property rights as well? Again it seems as if you are advocating communism.

      > “People do this because, as of yet, the rights holders haven’t found a way to stop us.”

      Had you had any technical knowledge you would have been aware of the fact that it’s impossible to stop filesharing. And people fileshare because it creates a value for them.

      • Splatt2001

        I just recently found this site. And I really thought that a lot of people were just justifying their actions. But I’m starting to think some of you actually believe the bullshit spin. You don’t sound any less ridiculous than the RIAA or MPAA. You are both severely warping reality to meet your own agenda.

        If you want to live in a fantasy world where buying a $1.00 blank DVD  entitles you to take somone’s intellectual property then be my guest. But it’s fucking lunacy. Wether you want to admit it or not, you are not buying anything when you buy a DVD except the disc, packaging and the rights to view  the intellectual property that somebody else owns. Plunking down $20 for a movie doesn’t give you rights to distribute the content. There’s a reason they arrest people for camming movies. 

        And you want to talk about a straw man? I never claimed the RIAA an MPAA didn’t violate people’s constitutional rights. They probably do it every single day. What I said was that it’s ridiculous for you people to act as if your rights are being violated ever time they blink. Or that you have a right to steal xbox games and movies. Again, a $2 DL disc doesn’t entitle you to free xbox content that cost millions to make. 

        I download things because I can. I’m not going to sweat cheating a giant corporation out of a sale. They certainly wouldn’t hesitate to steal from me if they could get away with it. But I don’t pretend what I’m doing is morally ok. I don’t hide behind some ridiculous legal theory to justify my actions.

        I hope you don’t take offense to my post. And if it comes off as hostile, that wasn’t my intention. I just find it fascinating that anybody could  actually believe this ones and zeros bullshit. I just thought it was something people paid lip service to. I think you are living in denial. But I can respect anybody that has a strong belief system. Even If I don’t agree with it.

         I probably wont post here much more. I think it would be pointless as neither one of is going to change the others’ mind. And honestly, I don’t want to. We could all sit around and talk about how evil the MPAA and RIAA are. That’s like having  discussion about how wet water is. How boring is that? Sometimes a contrarian view livens things up. But  I’m not into banging my head against a wall.

        I guess I just come from a different era. I didn’t own PC until 98. I thought they were for dorks. Until I found out you could copy PSX games. But I didn’t download them. Even if you could find them, you would  have to be insane to try to download a 700 mb game on a dial up connection. So I bought $199 (or $299) on sale  1x CD burner and started  renting games. Now you can download a game in about an hour on a decent connection.

         I guess if you grew up with the modern internet where everything is available 24/7 your attitude might be different. I don’t know.

        And if you want to think that downloading content you have no rights to is not stealing, all the more power to you I guess. It’s not like it my job to convice people they are wrong. At the end of the day we are talking about torrents. The RIAA and MPAA ae up to some really scary shit. But that’s a whole different issue. I’ve got much more fun things I could be doing than engaging in an argument about wether or not stealing is actually stealing.

        Later  

        • Fredrika

          > “If you want to live in a fantasy world where buying a $1.00 blank DVD  entitles you to take somone’s intellectual property then be my guest.”

          I have not argued that this is the case. And it sounds as if you confuse the intellectual work, which doesn’t constitute property, with intellectual property, which refers to the copyright monopoly, not the intellectual work in itself.

          > “Wether you want to admit it or not, you are not buying anything when you buy a DVD except the disc, packaging and the rights to view  the intellectual property that somebody else owns.”

          More ignorance. You do not need any right to view the intellectual work, because there exists no prohibition against viewing it. What you buy is the physical goods, nothing else. Consumer legislation is very clear on that point.

          > “Plunking down $20 for a movie doesn’t give you rights to distribute the content.”

          I have never argued such.

          > “What I said was that it’s ridiculous for you people to act as if your rights are being violated ever time they blink.”

          Since their only job seems to be doing just that these days, it seems as an adequate and correct assumption based on their previous and current behaviour.

          > “But I don’t pretend what I’m doing is morally ok.”

          I asked if you believe that other people have to share your seemingly confused moral with you? In reality they don’t, and they don’t.

          > “I hope you don’t take offense to my post.”

          Rest assured you completely lack the ability to offend me.

          > “And if it comes off as hostile, that wasn’t my intention.”

          It came of as ignorant, and it still does, including your latest one.

          > “But I can respect anybody that has a strong belief system.”

          Belief? I has simply pointed out some facts to you, i have not disclosed any of my personal beliefs.

          > “And if you want to think that downloading content you have no rights to is not stealing..”

          Think? It’s an indisputable fact that can be verified in both law, a dictionary or a physics book. Manufacturing something with your own property that you own is never theft. To believe otherwise you have to be completely ignorant of the actual facts regarding what the word means, what filesharing actually constitutes in physical detail, and the entire concept of property and scarcity.

          > “..than engaging in an argument about wether or not stealing is actually stealing.”

          This discussion is not about whether stealing is stealing? This discussion is about the fact that the act of manufacturing goods with your own property, that you own, can never be stealing.

    • Guest

      It’s not stealing and there’s no need to muddy the waters and distract with such stupid claims.

      We all know that spitting  in public is not stealing and not ok.  The whole argument is absurd.  We know it’s not stealing anymore than illegally tresspassing to take photos of your household contents is not stealing.  So why argue over these semantics?

      It just annoys the people who prefer to avoid language changes that are contrary to precision and that enhance ambiguity and promote a lack of clarity.

      Just quit arguing this pointless nonsense.  It says nothing about copyright infringement and much more about peoples’ lack of respect for the functionality and utility of their own language.

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  • Anonymous

    Dear ISPs, expect to be sued if you interfere with my net connection based on allegations from companies who are using technology never proven in a court of law.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/L2FW55JCG4NNVE2CCP5336XJRE Cheese!

    This scheme is just a schemey ol’ scheme.
    It’s nothing but a scheme.

  • Vargel

    Am I the only one suspecting that paid shills have shifted strategy?

    Almost in every thread a purported pirate will show up, paying lipservice to Torrentfreak, professing to hate the RIAA and finally come out comparing copyright infringement with theft scorning the commentariat for a sense of entitlement.

  • canukia

    big content will never learn. depriving a method of access will only push internet users to other mediums. so much for “the land of the free,” but at least it’s still “home of the “brave.”

  • Designer23cad

    guys   wait ……..internet  masters  can  find the solutions of this problem ……..

  • a.grey

    well, i just got a “copyright violation” notice from Clear/Clearwire, and their policy is three strikes… fourth so-called “violation” and they cut off your service PERMANENTLY, no redress, NOTHING. END OF SERVICE. 

  • Peasant O’ CouncilHouse

    Expect to be shot in the head if you’re a prominent supporter of this shit
    Just a few years til we want justice…

  • Anon

    yo, I remember to have read this article ::

    http://torrentfreak.com/ip-address-cant-even-identify-a-state-bittorrent-judge-rules-120515/ 

    From what I understand, this is a sort of bullshit above right?

  • Guest

    Here’s what will happen:
    They will throttle speeds, all big ISP’s will be on it.
    For most of the poor Americans stuck with that shit it will mean having lower than paid speeds.

    People will be motivated to increase their speeds, the will pay more to get more and maybe compensate the throttles.

    ISP’s will love that.

    The program will also work as a slippery slope of sorts.
    “No one will be left with internet”.
    For now.
    Eventually maybe it will be ok, maybe not that bad, we will get used to it.
    Then it will happen.

    Censorship always makes it way slowly like a poison that kills without pain.

    • a.grey

      Clear/Clearwire isn’t throttling speeds… they’re cutting service completely on the fourth “violation” (their definition of violation is vague, and there are no chances for redress or recourse, regardless of whether you’ve “violated” or not… you’re stuck with a mark on your record). this marks quite a different tactic than the ones expressed by Verizon, etc… that fact that they’re already sending them out to customers (like me) shows what cowards Clear are, bowing down to copyright trolls.

  • toadroad

    Why is there always such irrationality and stubbornness on these forums?

    Both the poster talking about speed limits, and the poster talking about stealing had some legitimate things to say, but they were shot down. Not sure why, do people just not like what they’re hearing because it hits home?

    I can admit that I’m a hypocrite. I download torrents, yet i know it’s not a legitimate thing to do and is in essence, not paying for what I get.  If I was on the other side of the spectrum as a content producer  I’d probably be pretty pissed. I should treat others as I’d like to be treated (compensate them for their product) but I don’t. I can admit the wrong in DLing copyrighted material. Plan and simple, it is theft.

    I can’t bring my car in to a mechanic and refuse to pay labor costs. Sure when I drive away from the shop, all I’m getting is the parts they fixed/replaced, but i still have to pay for the INTANGIBLE labor costs. There is no physical good that I am driving away with, yet I still must pay for the SERVICE provided.

    The argument that it is not stealing simply because there is no loss/transfer of physical property is just foolish. Whether the compensation system for artists/filmmakers/etc. is flawed is beside the point. People downloading movie/music/etc. torrents isn’t going to change the big corporations’ business models with regards to compensating content producers.

    The 6 strike system is more than fair, and those who complain about it have way too strong a sense of entitlement. I got my first DMCA warning in 5 years (I was only using peerblock and btguard for, but still…) the other day and I wasn’t outraged or anything. I knew it was deserved, and the fact that I could still get 5 more is pretty generous. And they go away after a year. Whether it’s a perfect system or not is certainly up for debate, but does anyone here have a better idea? And if so, have you made any serious effort to relay it to relevant parties? Man up and accept the punishment if you commit the crime.

    As for the people who claim they shouldn’t be throttled because “I signed up and agreed to unlimited speed and that’s what I should get!” I guess that’s true, but you’re also contractually obligated NOT to download copyright-infringing material, so when you do so, you’re breaching your contract. Why should your ISP be obligated to hold up their end of the bargain when you can’t do the same???

    And while I do see the potential of a snowball effect: (i.e. one ‘unreasonable’ law paves the way for countless others), the people who are crying out about the tyranny of the U.S. sound ridiculous. Look at 20 other countries, and maybe you’ll get a sense of how good the U.S. has it.

    The sense of entitlement on here blows me away. Then again, it’s the same country where instead of getting a job after college, kids just sit in parks and cry about how unfair life is (The Occupy Movement).

    Again, torrent all you like ( I know I do) but to deny the theft that is inherent is just ignorant.

    • Fredrika

      > “I download torrents, yet i know it’s not a legitimate thing to do..”

      Do people have to share your personal subjective reality denying opinion on that issue? You could argue that it most certainly is a legitimate thing to do, because there exists no legitimate prohibition against it, if we follow the rules for drafting legitimate legislation.

      > “..and is in essence, not paying for what I get.”

      No one has ever paid for intellectual works, because they do not constitute property and do not belong to anyone. What people pay for is goods and services, and in the case of filesharing, you have indeed paid for all property involved. Manufacturing a copy with your own property, as people filesharing does, is free, the price can never be anything else. There’s nothing to pay for.

      > “I should treat others as I’d like to be treated (compensate them for their product) but I don’t.”

      An intellectual work is not a product. Products is what’s being sold, and that would be goods and services, not intellectual works. If no products are sold, there’s nothing to compensate for.

      > “I can admit the wrong in DLing copyrighted material.”

      Do people have to share your personal subjective opinion on that matter?

      > “Plan and simple, it is theft.”

      Manufacturing something with your own property, as people filesharing does, is never ever theft, regardless of if such manufacturing would happen to mean you put your own property rights ahead of a legislative monopoly’s intrusion into your property rights.

      People who believe otherwise are just ignorant, plain and simple.

      > “The argument that it is not stealing simply because there is no loss/transfer of physical property is just foolish.”

      You mean factual. You believe facts to be foolish?

      > “The 6 strike system is more than fair..”

      That delivery of a service from a seller to a buyer should be interrupted because of unproven allegations from a third party is fair? A rather unusual opinion which wouldn’t hold any ground elsewhere in society.

      > “..and those who complain about it have way too strong a sense of entitlement.”

      People have a way to strong sense of entitlement because they expect that the service they have paid for should be delivered? Consumer legislation does not agree with you, nor does any court.

      > “I got my first DMCA warning in 5 years (I was only using peerblock and btguard for, but still…) the other day and I wasn’t outraged or anything.”

      Do you even know what DMCA is?

      > “Whether it’s a perfect system or not is certainly up for debate, but does anyone here have a better idea?”

      Obviously, since no scientific evidence exists that supports the thesis that filesharing constitutes a problem of any kind for either culture, society, creators, the goal with copyright or the content industry’s current record revenues, the best idea is to obey the rules for legislation and stop criminalizing filesharing, since it isn’t a problem and shouldn’t be forbidden in the first place.

      > “And if so, have you made any serious effort to relay it to relevant parties?”

      There’s a large political growing movement who currently are in the process of doing just that, by voting in politicians that listen to the people and facts, instead of the monopoly holders and their lies. That would be the pirate movement, who are currelent represented in many political assembles, particularly in the EU, the worlds strongest economy, where the only growing political parliament group has adopted that political program of the Pirate Parties copyright program, including the legalising of filesharing.

      > “Man up and accept the punishment if you commit the crime.”

      Even when the act shouldn’t be a crime? Blindly obey and accept the law? History has taught us over and over again that people who reason in that irresponsible manner are extremely dangerous to society.

      > “As for the people who claim they shouldn’t be throttled because “I signed up and agreed to unlimited speed and that’s what I should get!” I guess that’s true, but you’re also contractually obligated NOT to download copyright-infringing material, so when you do so, you’re breaching your contract.”

      You are welcome to go to court and prove that someone has done that with due process.

      > “Why should your ISP be obligated to hold up their end of the bargain when you can’t do the same???”

      As long as the customer pays their bills there’s no reason why the seller should interrupt delivery, unless a court orders them to do otherwise?

      > “The sense of entitlement on here blows me away.”

      People feeling entitled to their own property or the services they have paid for blows you away?

      > “Again, torrent all you like ( I know I do) but to deny the theft that is inherent is just ignorant.”

      In reality, it’s the other way around.

    • Master

      I’m going to leave this here for you.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EU3FP6ALBOYVUDR6Z7GUQYGY2Q Mike N

     Slow me down and ill be force to switch providers! Comcast can say goodbye to my triple play plan at which i pay more $250 a month! i’m not on a contract so there is no termination fee and slow me down i will just cut my internet off and look for other means of internet and tv.

  • Guest1

    I wouldnt really worry about it too much. They will implement this measure fairly rarely, its more of a scare tactic than anything else. Mediacom tried doing something like this in the past, and the result was they began to lose customers. While major companies are a part of this, there are still other options out there. Once they begin to lose customers they will stop enforcing the rules to such an extent. 
    Cities with Clear or Kansas City due to getting Google fiber soon wount really be affected as much. Being that people have options out there that are viable. 
    It has also been shown in court that the IP address is not equal to the subscriber. Since its so incredibly easy to gain access to any household wireless network regardless of what kind of security is present. 
    The whole reason they agreed to this is as a scare tactic. The idea that they can scare customers into not downloading by threatening to affect their service. Not only that, but now a days large amounts of software update via torrents, so they will realize very quickly that they are also limiting the use of legal software as well. 

  • Anonymous

    Sure let Banker Criminals walk free, for it is thee who are the MPAA. Fuck America.

  • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

    Frankly, if I got any of these letters, I would be livid and would threaten to take my business elsewhere AND tell my friends and family to take their business elsewhere.

    I don’t think that Comcast could do with 50 families each spending 120 dollars a month pulling their use of their services.

    • Chris Maubach

       Yeah, that’d be great if I had more than one option for my ISP.

  • Poster

    Wire in a fire … with a government for hire
    It’s the end of the world as we know it
    And I feel fine

  • Semtex601

    Any good VPN suggestions ?

  • Guest

    I am sure you’re trolling. Using Peerblock has never been  safe, and BTguard is only for those who don’t know better.
    yes, BTguard may be safe, but only if set up properly.

    You are precisely the kind of hypocritical pirate we don’t want. I hope you get sued into bankrupcy.
    But more likely you are just a paid troll coming here to sow doubt and confusion.

    “If you want to live in a fantasy world where buying a $1.00 blank DVD  entitles you to take somone’s intellectual property then be my guest. But it’s fucking
    lunacy. ”

    It’s not a fantasy world, it’s the law of nature that replication of information does not deprive the creator of anything he would otherwise have.

    If intellectual property was a natural concept, we wouldn’t need copyright or patent law.

    Your attempt to sound off as  hating the RIAA does not fool anyone.

    If you believe that illegal copying is stealing, and that copyright rather than freedom to is the natural state of the world, you are in no way on our side.

  • Guest

    “In other words, nothing will happen under the program. People who receive more than 6 warnings are removed from the system. They wont receive any further
    warnings or punishments and are allowed to continue using their Internet service as usual.”

    This is incorrect. The graduated response system is a private industrial agreement. It does not preempt the force of copyright law. An internet subscriber may get zero or four warnings under the private warning system and still be sued into ruin.

    And this is what I find most offensive. The copyright holder gets two bites at the apple. The first one is paid for by the internet subscriber, guilty or not, and even if this fails the copyright holder may still elect to file a lawsuit.

  • Anonymous

    It’s a bit like telling Honda that they can’t sell fast cars to the guy they caught speeding.

    And of course all this will do is make Bittorenting that much harder to catch, to find a complete lack of even the basic tenants of evolution one would have to go to a Louisiana swamp shack.

    They really don’t get it, I bet these guys think that the best way to deal with a hornet’s nest is to keep on kicking until stinging stops.

  • Guessing

     We are already educated and we already learn no to conduct any business with the entertainment industry, period.

    It is too bad that most modern humans are mostly sheeple because otherwise we could have solved the entertainment industry problem in six month flat via boycott.

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    Watch. grandma will be throttled because she left her wifi open.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pac-Ducor/100000183951976 Pac Ducor

    this appears to be a bad joke and a way to put more people pulling out their hair while receiving hundreds of thousands of IP’s to look through and sort.   The fact that you can ignore all 6 warnings and then be completely removed from the system is laughable on its own.

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  • The Jester

    Well all this sounds like a nice way to introduce connection throttling even further. Dumb americons, wake up.

  • Temoi

    Just the torrent sites. Bullshit. I remember hearing SOPA/PIPA were only targeting illegal streaming then it turned into destroying everything. If the CCI is really only attacking torrents then another group will target the filelocker downloads/uploads.

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  • Asashii

    Main steam piracy wll come to an end, thats just the facts. back to the know someone days… i am all for it

    • Fredrika

      > “Main steam piracy wll come to an end..”

      In reality there is already available filesharing technology that is completely untouchable for any legislative or technological countermeasure, and this will logically boost main stream piracy even further, as is has done every time in the past at every instance where one filesharing protocol has become obsolete due to legislative countermeasures.

      > “..thats just the facts.”

      Do not confuse your ignorance with facts.

      > “back to the know someone days… i am all for it”

      Yes, and thanks to F2F filesharing everyone knows everyone on the entire planet.

  • zillion

    I know I’m about to open the floodgates here but I’d rather have this than having to cough up a couple hundred/thousand bucks for getting caught for torrenting something.

  • anonymous

    I’m not sure why the ISP’s are allowing a outside company to control them the people are the the money making customer not the copyright companies, imo people should just make a demonstration of how serious they are about ISP’s laying down and taking this crap.

    People should just not use their internet connection for one day to show that if they change the rules they will move to another internet provider or create one that refuses to suck the proverbial dick of copyright aristocrats.

    its not the mediums (ISP’s) fault that people pirate its the companies who provide the content to begin with, they still believe if they give people what they want that no one will ever pay for it but its so untrue.

    Look at crunchyroll for example the moment a pirating group (DB) suggested using them more then half of their users not only made an account but actually paid for their service to access new anime episodes the moment they were available in japan + subbed and the highest quality.

    Hulu is some what of a good step in the right direction but it needs to be more community based then it is so it can grow into something great and not be held back by its sponsors.

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  • Blackbeard

    Splatt2011 or whatever handle he is using now is a paid employee of mpaa/riaa…

  • BLACKBEARD

    toadroad … really….. really?………..i download a torrent but i know its bad and its theft..WTF ….. its getting so bad the assholes have to send trolls to be our friends and preach how good the riaa and the lot are our friends ….. Undercover assholes

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  • http://twitter.com/MirceaKitsune Mircea Kitsune

    There are other important things I would
    like to point out about this, which I didn’t fully get to last night.
    Those are points that I believe everyone should carefully look into and
    inform others about.

    This will allow your ISP to spy on everything you do. If they spy your
    data they will be able to read your emails, IM’s, how many times you
    called your boss a moron, how many times you sex RP’d online…
    everything. Theoretically, they can even spy on what you discuss with
    your co-workers, and secretly share private information with the
    competitor of the company you work for. Or if you access a porn website,
    they could tell everyone about it and the things you look at (even your
    parents or husband / wife). Next, if you access a website about
    something your admin dislikes, they can easily invent false claims
    against you to bully you. Imagine being cut off the internet because you
    are gay or accessed 4chan. Or going to school one day to find out the
    head teacher mysteriously knows you’re gay or something you only said
    privately, then everyone finds out and you get bullied. Also, what do
    you think will happen to people who post bad things about America’s
    leadership, the US army, uncover war crimes or government abuses, and
    that sort of thing… especially with the NDAA being around?

    If anyone thinks this won’t happen because “they will be nice people and
    will only use this to catch thieves”, you are more than naive. No, it
    WILL be used for this and much worse if it happens. I don’t even need to
    point out what power hungry and control hungry characters are behind
    this.

    But even if (just for the sake of pretending) this will only be used
    against pirates. Those pirates might have an online job, not to mention
    friends they talk with and other activities (unrelated to piracy).
    Cutting anyone off the internet at this day could cost many their jobs,
    and some even their lives. And then… being humiliated in spite by
    being sent to classes about copyright and scolded like a 2 year old by
    some internet provider? This by itself is a hateful practice, which as a
    mentality was used by communist and nazi regimes to show their power.
    Those who spoke against the regime but didn’t pose a big threat weren’t
    killed, but instead beaten in public and left without food and water for
    days, to show an example to those who disobeyed. At a different scale,
    this is the same mentality being put in practice here with those
    “lessons”, against people who might have done as little as downloading a
    song. We live in a mad world.

    Alongside the practical consequences, this is also an insult to all
    internet users. We are being qualified as thieves automatically, and
    investigated prematurely to make sure we aren’t stealing. Using the
    internet will now be a suspicion of theft by itself… also known as
    being accused of a crime before you even commit it. In any normal world,
    people would be outraged at such a slap in the face. It’s the same as
    installing cameras in everyone’s homes, watching them when they eat / go
    pee / have sex / etc. just to be sure they aren’t raising cannabis in
    their house. Christ… not even Gaddafi or Kim Jong Il dared to do this.

    As for hoping that some ISP’s will stay free, no. This is simply a new
    attempt to pass a law worse than SOPA. Currently, they paid or
    constrained ISP’s to pretend they’ve taken the decision on their own.
    After people would have cooled down and enough accepted this practice,
    they would also pass a law to make the whole thing obligatory. It’s
    basically doing it before it’s legal, so people get used to it first and
    they can later legalize it more easily. That’s why everyone needs to
    act urgently.

    One thing’s for sure: They are up-front trying to make America a
    dictatorship, and I’m not talking just about this event (the NDAA is
    another thing). Many laws worthy of the worst dictatorships are being
    forcefully pushed in the US. The world has a very important choice to
    take in the next years, and if the wrong one is taken expect us to
    return to a medieval terror-based leadership. This isn’t a theory or
    exaggeration, it’s happening under our eyes.

    Once again, please post about this everywhere you can and spread the
    word. Make a topic on all forums you visit (if there isn’t one already),
    post it on your Facebook / Twitter, and if you own a blog publish an
    article. We should also contact every news TV station or website and
    pressure them to speak about it. Please make people aware of the things I
    wrote in this post also (feel free to re-post all of it) so they can
    better see what we’re dealing with (as many still think it would only
    stop piracy and it’s ok). We have a disaster beyond words in front of
    us, if everything we read about this is true.

  • guest11287

    I don’t know if anyone has said this or not. Didn’t take the time to read through all the comments but Charter is a participating ISP. Just got a notice today.

  • http://twitter.com/MirceaKitsune Mircea Kitsune

    I have some good news everyone. It seems the project was delayed until past this July. There’s no specific date as to when they wish to implement it, although evil corporations and ISP’s are still hoping this year.

    http://torrentfreak.com/us-six-strikes-anti-piracy-scheme-delayed-120518/

    That likely means they are scared, and have taken notice people are revolted. This is our chance to react and give them a good scare. What I hope will happen is people establishing a date when they can go to their ISP and protest… maybe knock at their door and have a nice heated discussion (I don’t wish to imagine a worse scenario *yet*).

    If such happens the project will certainly be killed, and we would further send a message to those who wish to crush the internet so they understand once and for all we’ll never accept it in any form. Including those who support CISPA, who they hopefully understand will also not pass for the sake of both sides and everyone else.

  • http://twitter.com/MirceaKitsune Mircea Kitsune

    On a separate note, I would like to inform everyone of something even more important. CISPA is going to expire soon and will be voted in the senate… probably secretly and under the desk like we’ve been used to seeing (so no date is known). Everyone who is against it is strongly advised to call their senators ASAP and firmly ask them to vote against it! I don’t have a link but you should be able to find their phone numbers on google and older SOPA / CISPA articles… I’m too tired and outright sick of the whole thing to look them up myself. I consider this even more dangerous than the ISP initiative, and by all means hope this law won’t happen either :( As usual, please spread the word and re-post wherever you can so everyone knows. We need to show the senators those who oppose it are large in number, since as with SOPA they will not be able to vote on a law that everyone is visibly against. The house already passed it, so this is even more urgent for that reason.

  • http://twitter.com/MirceaKitsune Mircea Kitsune

     Important: I again received some shocking news from EFF by email (they’re a serious source of information) about a potential revive of the actual SOPA / PIPA.

    http://act.demandprogress.org/act/vs_hollywood/?referring_akid=.661516.qyUGJ6&source=typ-tw

    It appears Hollywood is trying to shut down all cloud websites. Basically, it wishes to take down Youtube, Google Drive, and all cloud services out there, the same way Megaupload was removed. The article mentions them trying to circumvent congress so they can force their law through without a vote. What this means is most major websites which allow file storage would be gone… and we are back at SOPA as we know it.

    This comes just a few days after I heard about the ISP initiative and an update on CISPA. Jesus Christ… has the world gone completely mad? Are those groups desperate beyond limit to shut down this internet? They now want sites like Youtube to disappear forever… who almost entirely addressed the issue of copyright material being uploaded. Is this even about copyright any more, or is that just a pretext?

    Yeah, I agree… this is an outright war with the entertainment industry at this point. I don’t feel like fueling the fire here so people can jump to their own conclusion… I just found the article and linked it. There will probably be more information soon, and if that’s true likely another blackout. Feel free to re-post this post anywhere without asking.

  • xufei317

    tinyurl.com/cyk9xz2

  • alanaktion

    It’s sad to say that the bandwidth they limit you to is double my maximum connection speed at the time.  If that’s all they do, I see no reason for this to work at all.

  • No_one

    I don’t know about you guys, but my comcast service is already intermittent at best and I get nowhere with tech support. The bill comes in the name of a roommate who moved out months ago and I couldn’t even begin to guess what email address they send shit to. The fucking internet bill pretty much eats up the entertainment budget every month so I torrent everything and spend my few remaining dollars on X box games. So the question is, how will I know the difference when they start jacking with my connection? It goes out for days for no reason already and the speed fluctuates like crazy…

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