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Humble Indie Bundle 2 Embraces BitTorrent

Offering $85 worth of games for a price set by the buyer, Wolfire’s Humble Indie Bundle 2 pack has brought in more than $1.6 million since its launch. Inevitably, some people are using unofficial channels to acquire it and of course, BitTorrent is high on the list. After reaching out to pirates for information, Wolfire co-founder Jeffrey Rosen says the problem is real easy to fix. BitTorrent, here we come.

Just in time for the Christmas holidays, the guys who brought us the Humble Indie Bundle have done it again. With their latest game pack, called simply Humble Indie Bundle 2, Wolfire Games are capturing imaginations.

Their pay-what-you-want model is proving very popular with customers, especially when the funds go not only to indie developers but the EFF and the Child’s Play charity.

At the time of writing the pack has received 211,641 orders which have generated more than $1.6m, an average price of $7.68. Currently, anyone paying over this average amount will also get a free gift – Humble Indie Bundle 1.

HIB2

But inevitably, HIB2 has ended up becoming available through unofficial channels and naturally those include BitTorrent. Just last week a reader wrote to us explaining that users of Demonoid were getting rather upset that the pack was available there, even though its possible to get it for virtually nothing through the official sources.

The fact that BitTorrent was being used to distribute HIB2 didn’t go unnoticed by Wolfire Games either, and on Dec 19th co-founder Jeffrey Rosen tweeted: “If you pirated the Humble Indie Bundle, please tell me why in this anonymous survey.”

Even the tone of the survey shows why people have become so protective over HIB and HIB2. “This is an anonymous survey to try to understand why you pirated the Humble Indie Bundle and what we could have done better,” it says, humbly. No angry finger pointing here, just a willingness to listen. Just how business should be done.

Jeff told TorrentFreak this morning that he had several hundred responses back.

“One of the response types was ‘I just like BitTorrent’. For instance, they have a poor internet connection and can’t sustain a direct download, or more simply, they just hate downloading things in their browser and then having to md5sum it, etc,” he explained.

Indeed, the most common search autocomplete for the Humble Indie Bundle on Google is “Humble Indie Bundle torrent”, not surprising really since for those already familiar with the protocol, BitTorrent is an extremely convenient way to transfer files.

Would you prefer to get HIB2 using BitTorrent? You got it.

“I just added a BitTorrent download option in addition to our direct CDN downloads,” Jeff told us. “The BitTorrent files include the new web-seed feature pointing to our CDN, so even if there are no seeders, people still get fast download speeds.”

Jeff says customers have really taken to the new distribution method.

“I added this about 20 minutes ago, and so far the response has been phenomenal. Everyone is happy about it and we’ve already gotten hundreds of people donating their bandwidth to help seed it.”

Of course, the benefits of using BitTorrent don’t stop with the customer, Wolfire Games are saving money too.

“We are going to reduce our bandwidth costs dramatically because of this while providing better service and faster speeds,” Jeffrey concludes

Wolfire Games really have got it absolutely right with both their attitude and their HIB2 offering. We wish them every success and ask our readers who are interested in the game pack to donate a few dollars and get it here.

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  • BlueMaxima

    I was the first person to put up a torrent of the Humble Bundle 2 on Demonoid, but I took it down from the site because my email inbox was being flooded with spam comments telling me to fuck off and take it down, to “support charity” and all that shit.

    Never felt more out of place at Demonod than doing that, especially when I paid $10 for my copy of the bundle.

  • Paul

    I think torrent sites should do the right thing and remove it. Wolfire games are doing a fantastic bundle there for a very cheap price.

    It’s nice to see they have made some money out of it though, i think i will go and buy the pack and support them.

    Come on guys, stop pirating this bundle and get your hands in your pockets and part with a few £/$’s. This is the kind of thing we need where we can pay what we want.

  • Nice

    I may just donate because they get it. Unlike the Mafiaa.

    Great story and Good Luck Jeffrey.

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  • Trollface

    Bought HIB 1 and HIB 2. Happy that they added a BitTorrent option, but sadly i already got the games i wanted. (Plus i got to activate them on Steam :D)

  • Hom3r

    Always great to hear.

    @1 Paul
    Circumstances are different for everyone.
    If I were to develop a game, I would much rather have someone pirate it and enjoy it, than have them spend what little money they have on a game instead of food.

  • Trollface

    Also, i talked to one guy.

    He said that he pirated it, because A) he had troubles setting up a PayPal account B) He was afraid of Google and Google Checkout and C) he couldn’t do a international bank transfer.

    Man that dude was douche.

  • Decimae

    @4 If you’re really that poor, you should just send them a drawing of a dinosaur playing video games. I heard that they accept that as payment if you give a good reason why you can’t pay.

    They are just awesome.

  • Phillip

    Wow first time Iv seen a company using web seeds.

    More content distributors need to do that, it pretty much guarantees uptime and kick starts swarms to uber speed from the beginning.

  • MC

    This article just genereated a sale from me. I dont even really want to play the games tbh, i just wanted to seed along and help them with CDN costs, there is an aspect of giving a helping hand bandwidth-wise with the whole bittorrent thing that most people overlook, its the same as offering to mirror popular files for a friend on a traditional http server, only much much simpler. Feels good man.

  • Dave

    Lets see, able to download with bittorrent, works across Win/Max/Linux *and* donates a portion to charity. Yeah, I’ll be getting that now

  • fritz

    7

    or:first time i´ve seen a company using web sense.

  • Meeee!

    @1 Paul

    Don’t tell me what to do.

  • Violated

    A list of the games included in this pack would have got more people interested.

  • Anon

    Well done, but..

    1) You have to have a PayPal, Amazon or Google Checkout account.

    And pirate sites should not remove it, they should not interfere.

    You should be able to download it anonymously (without any accounts anywhere). A fake account on paypal or something is just pushing it.

    One idea would be to have you fill a survey if you download it anonymously.

    (for reference, I didn’t download neither bundle)

  • Doink

    Pirated DVDs seized in Scarborough bust – http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2010/12/23/16656486.html

    Its things like this that give law abiding pirates a bad name.

  • moonholiday

    @Violated
    This article was not to get people to buy the pack. It’s just stating information. And if you click on the link, it brings you right to a list of the games.

    Great pack, I never pay for games but will now just because its a cool story.

    @Paul
    Pirate sites should almost NEVER interfere over moral dilemmas. They have no need to enforce their ideals on the people who use their site.

    Also,@Anon above me, who cares about the Paypal, Amazon or Google checkout? These people are doing enough to make it easy for you to get this download. Stop complaining that it’s not good enough! So what, they want to use an easy option for secure checkouts that most people trust? Come on, someone always has to have something else to complain about. Waaaaaaa

  • old timer

    Already bought most of the games from STEAM prior to this. They are a lot of fun and a good waste of time :)

  • Paul

    You buy a computer, an internet connection and you can’t afford a few £/$’s for a bundle of games that give you a good deal. You tight fisted gits. I’m starting to agree with some people on here now that people just pirate for the fun of it.

    There is no hope for some people. *shakes head*

  • el Deco.

    just bought the lot as I too want to support the new business model

  • LimeyBastards

    I bought my game from Wolfire, which I had never heard of…solely because they said they supported Linux as a platform which is awesome…and the company doesnt seem greedy. They donate to the EFF Child’ Play….yadda .yadda.

    Also, agree with the user above that says WebSeeding is underutilized in general torrenting.

  • Freetards pay more?

    Total payments:$1,647,799.08
    Number of purchases:214,195
    Average purchase:$7.69
    Average Windows: $6.56
    Average Mac: $8.93
    Average Linux: $13.74

    Very interesting, so the people who paid the most are the ones who pay nothing for their operating system. So the “freetards” are actually the ones who dig deepest into their pockets!

    What an excellent business model. I would hope the home entertainment industries (Record/Movie/Games) would look on this as some sort of model to look up to. But alas, I fear they have their heads stuck so far up their asses that they are blind to such revolutionary ideas.

  • moonholiday

    PS- If you do not have a an account with either of those 3 choices, you can always choose ‘Paypal’ and then when they ask you to log in, look underneath where it says ‘Pay with a credit or debit card, if you don’t have a Paypal account’ No excuses people.

  • Izkata

    They support Linux? YES.

    Can’t guarantee I’m going to buy it, but I’m definitely going to take a look.

  • LimeyBastards

    @Izkata

    Yes, they support Linux. Though, I’ve seen a couple of complaints about some of the games not working on more advanced versions of Linux such as Gentoo or Arch. So, it’ll probrably take a little bit of work to get them to work on em. I as of yet havent downloaded the games from my vault. As Im busy.

    Also, this is how cool Wolfire is..I got an email saying some crap about Steam…which I dont care about but other people do. Even better though is that they gave us all the Indie Bundle 1 games free too. Nice huh?

  • lol

    @paul these are the same people, who complain about not being able to get the media the way they want it so they pirate. They also complain about the money not going to the artist so they pirate. These are the same guys who come out with an excuse to pay for anything, why should anyone expect these same people to pay for something, that does actually go to the artist, actually helps people out in the long run. These people are the pirate hypocrites.

    It’s good to see TF reporting something decent and interesting for a change

  • slow.

    unfortunately, there is only 1 peer on those torrents.

  • slow.

    unfortunately, there is only 1 peer on those torrents.

    and http://tracker.humblebundle.com:2710/announce
    is not responding.

  • Anonymous

    You buy a computer, an internet connection and you can’t afford a few £/$’s for a bundle of games that give you a good deal. You tight fisted gits.

    1. A pc can be got free , for a few quid second hand , or can owned by someone else.
    2. Net connection can also be free , shared , or got for a few quid a month.
    3. Not everyone has access to online cash.
    4. Some people can barely afford living expenses , nevermind paying for games or 1$ for a tvshow on itunes.

    Calling people “”tight fisted gits”" just shows your lack of understanding , of how other people live.

    LOT’S of people use a computer+net as their ONLY form of comunication / entertainment / education ect….

    They GENUINELY CANT afford to pay , so if the only option was , pay OR do without… they would do without.

    You can’t conceive that even being a possibility… But it is reality.

    You need to see the world… open your eyes.
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    Wolfire

    You are doing a great job, you deserve the rewards for embracing a TRUE capitalist selling method.

    Big corps are squirming…
    “”Let the customers decide how much to pay… !”"
    They have been using a price fixing system for so long that it is the only method they know.

    ffs.. how is “”NEW”" super mario bros DS still the same price as it was a year ago.
    How is it the same price, as other games that defenitly took less/more time and resources to develop ?
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    . . . . . . . . WARNING . . . . . . .

    All the “moral high horse” jumping fanboys who pay for your games are going to ruin your good rep , by their antipirate actions.

    Paying is not always an option.
    Saving money to pay , is not always an option.

    Bullying people who CAN’T buy is bad..
    Yet that is what some fanboys are doing.

  • Where did all the antiCopy trolls come from ?

    FUK the antiCOPY money grabbing corperate agenda.

    TRY ,
    IF you want to support , BUY

    Cant ? then . , .

    . , . , . , . , . , . , . , SHARE LiKE FUK , . , . , . , . , . , . ,

  • Anonymous

    lol taking from charity, yay piracy!

  • Aredt

    Will buy!

  • Anonymous

    HOW is it taking from charity ?

    IF you where NEVER going to give in the first place ?

    @ 30

    moronic argument.
    Trying to make fileshares look bad for sharing.

    ffs…

    first it was ..
    just like stealing a handbag from an old lady.

    then..
    just like stealing a car..

    NOW…
    Just like stealing from charity….
    . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU STEAL SOMETHING THAT DOESN’T EXIST ?

    COPY not steal.
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    Would you copy an old ladys handbag ?
    Would you copy a car ?

    Would you copy a charity ?

    YES.. lots of people benifit from copying

  • Anonymous

    HOW is it taking from charity ?

    IF you where NEVER going to give in the first place ?

    @ 30

    moronic argument.
    Trying to make fileshares look bad for sharing.

    ffs…

    first it was ..
    just like stealing a handbag from an old lady.

    then..
    just like stealing a car..

    NOW…
    Just like stealing from charity….
    . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    HOW THE FUCCK CAN YOU STEAL SOMETHING THAT DOESN’T EXIST ?

    COPY not steal.
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    Would you copy an old ladys handbag ?
    Would you copy a car ?

    Would you copy a charity ?

    YES.. lots of people benifit from copying

  • LOL

    to all f4gs that preach about charity, the only way to help poor people is to do it urself, cuz most if not all organisations will put most of the money u give them, in their own pockets….. or waste it…. literally!

    and anyway.. givin free stuff out to poor pps (in most case) is an act of charity… so givin free downloads to pps = charity.. so err Stfu or make a better argument..! and merry christmas to all, esp the cunning dumbases at Anti piracy groups who think christmas or xmas is evil.. therefore they spend this time in their offices scheming their evil schemes, while all the pro pirates are celebrating and are off duty >.>

  • lol

    i would like to support this but i don’t feel safe using my credit card over the internet anyone else feel the same?

  • MC

    Sometimes i wonder why torrentfreak persists in writing interesting articles given the intellectual capacity and reading comprehension demonstrated in the comments by what is apparently its readership? Seriously the comments here rival even youtube sometimes.

  • stinkpipe(smelly..but absolutely essential)

    use good passwords and always scan your computer before a purchase with a good prog(cnet) lol
    nice story for christmas peeps, i have been saying for ages that the whole damn industry should embrace p2p instead of fly swatting it. don’t know jack about the game but good tidings all around and pass another one jim. heres to the record industry(what is left of it after lawyers fees) coming aboard.

  • Mee

    I torrented this last week before I bought it simply because I had access to the torrent as I was away from home.
    As soon as I got home I immediately purchased the bundle and started playing.

  • Anonymous

    @1 and you caved to pressure what about those of us that are too por to even afford 7.6 avg
    YEA you and they can fuck off

    sourceforge.net and all the free games then fuck them YOU and game industry

  • Andrew

    To be honest i paid like $10 for this and got the 10 games (Which is the amount i usually pay for indie games due to getting most of mine through steams crazy sales) but i wouldn’t even mind people paying even $1 for them.

    At the end of the day even for $1 it’s a win-win situation.
    You get 5 good indie games and your $1 can go to a charity or to the developers if you see fit.. it’s a great idea and a great cause and i’d love to see a humble indie bundle #3 in the future :D

  • Caller of Doom

    I just “bought” the bundle and sent them 20$.

    I am not a huge gamer but I really want to support them! Great concept!

  • Fantastic

    Bought 2 and they sent me 1 as well!! it was double worth it!!! Games and Soundtracks are great.

  • what!?!

    I don’t have the required patience or time to play games (sex is better), but:

    Wouldn’t the whole issue be moot if one were to use a download manager like internet download manager? Why use bittorrent if you can avoid it?

  • NamesDontMatter

    Great story, going to take a look at this bundle. Glad to see a company doing it the “right” way.

  • Anonymous

    This looks more like a sales pitch to me, the way TorrentFreak has written it anyway!

    I think we still have to RIGHT to share this for FREE if we want too!

    You are all saying(in the comments) its only a ‘few dollars’ so is music from itunes!!!!

    Sharing should be FREE whatever it is! If you then want to donate fair play else don’t!

  • wtf

    The sense of entitlement of some of the readers here is astounding. You are being offered these games LEGALLY, DRM-FREE, for as little as you want to pay!

    These are indie developers. They work hard doing this. Your money is not going to a greedy, rich record label. It is going to ordinary people like you and me who are just trying to feed their families, and to charities that are trying to make life a little easier for kids in hospitals.

    The RIAA and MPAA were one thing. This is another. You aren’t the center of the universe, so get rid of this sense of entitlement that makes you think you deserve everything for free. I hate the new generation.

  • Andrew

    I don’t really agree that ‘sharing should be free whatever it is’ to be honest.

    It kind of implies that if one guy buys something (Say a brand new game) we should all have the right to bypass the costs and theoretically leave the creators of it with 1 sale..

  • Nice

    @ 34. What rock or cave did you just crawl out from under?

    Please go back, the sun may harm you tender eyes and skin.

  • Anonymous

    They don’t ask for much and I like the idea they put forward,I think it’s nice of them and for what you get it isn’t bad I think it’s worth giving them at least what they ask for the double bundle($7.74 right now).

  • Anonymous

    @44

    The PROOF is…
    People who download for FREE.
    or
    Can pay what they wan’t.

    WILL support developers , generators , creators ….

    IF they think it is worth it.

    Study after study after sudy….. have said that people who fileshare buy the most.

    So we should have a sense of intitlement.

    We are intitled .. NOT to get RIPPED OFF by greedy media manufactures , be them indi or major.

    I myself have bought world of goo for wii. (in Humble Indie Bundle 1 )
    After downloading it for free from peers for win )

    I have bought lot’s of games after downloading them for free.

    Only difference is…. Crappy games….
    that look good , are marketed well , are basically mis-sold , with “”not actual gameplay footage”" videos. … ect… ect… the list does go on……
    .

    I don’t buy any of them any more…

    This generation is.

    You can dream of the good old days when you got ripped off , nearly every game you bought…

    Me … I look back and say … thank fucck… those greedy kunts can’t get away with it any more.

    (music… they can’t sell me an albumn based on a single)
    (movies… they can’t sell me a film based on misleading trailers..hype)
    (software…they can’t sell me something that doesn’t work properly)

    INTITLED WE ARE.

    THIS GENERATION IS.

    KEEP UP .. or.. PISS OFF

  • pog_ROM

    Damn right @ 28, damn right.

    What it boils down to is the “Gods & Clods” philosophy. The Gods (haves) and the Clods (have nots).

    The Gods mostly believe that if something cannot be afforded then it should be gone without. They claim that games/movies etc are classed as luxuries and therefore not necessary, and if one cannot afford them they should “go without”.

    That to me just smacks of elitism. And in the real world those who have not but have access to im afraid are not going to go without.

    Why should they?

    I know a guy in Kerala India who tells me games are around £30 UKP. Well let me tell you, £30 in India esp. in rural areas is a VAST amount of money.

  • Anonymous

    Until there is money there is piracy.

  • ??

    I would gladly pay for it… IF I could give them CASH money. I don’t have any credit/debit card, getting money on Paypal has taxes and any kind of “electronic” money has inconveniences. Yes, I live in a 5th world country where everything has a problem or tax, I’m lucky to at least have paper money. And on top of all that, even a mere 10 USD is a lot for me… exchange rates is $4 (pesos) = 1 USD, so 10 USD is $40 for me. Lucky all of you who can live in decent and normal countries y.y

  • Ben

    Blizzard / battle.net is doing it. Downloading a web-seeded torrent of starcraft 2 right now. (unfortunatel, they don’t let me pay what I want. but they do use the technology.)

  • Collector

    Torrent with both bundles

    magnet:?xt=urn:btih:ASDD7EJET5HC3RWWOQ7OWOKPOPJGWIQS&dn=Humble%20Indie%20Bundle%201%20%26%202%20All%20Platforms&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.publicbt.com%3a80%2fannounce

  • Drag0nflamez

    @8: Blizzard does it too – the World of Warcraft Launcher uses BitTorrent to download patches etc.

  • Drag0nflamez

    @55: GTFO you are raping a charitygood people. Unless you of course want that everyone is being charged 85 bucks for these games or 60 buxx each?

  • Rob

    Supported, companies doing this is a fantastic idea. I’ll likely buy a few for some friends, they deserve it.

  • Gramma Nazi

    @14 you didn’t download either.

  • Ninja

    I’d download it from unofficial sources regardless of amounts involved. Many games I do end up buying or donating if it’s the case so no big deal here, I think it’s ok to have the torrent available everywhere and ppl should stop bitching about it. And for the records there are other ways to donate for charity so this argument is flawed.

    But one thing must be said: those guys are awesome and deserve the money just for the initiative. I also agree 100% with the bittorrent alternative. They’ve just moved even higher in my list of ppl deserving my money. The last place? MAFIAA of course.

  • Drk

    The FREE alternative should be taken as some sort of “demo” version of the bundle.

    I mean, download it for free, play the games… if you like them, and can buy the bundle, at least do so for 5 bucks… that wont make you poor or make them rich anyways.

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  • 3rd World Person

    To all who think, 10$ is very less, yada yada,

    I live in india, I spend about 10 UDS (500 INR) in a month, everything included.

    And even if I pay only 1$ (50 INR) for it, i don’t have a credit/debit card, or pay-pal. So tell me how do you expect me to pay?

    If they were accepting cash (that also in INR not USD), i could have tried saving and bought it in a few months, but alas most people forget that there are other countries except the USA or the European Union, and that not everyone uses dollars and pounds in their respective countries, and many don’t have the means to convert the money to other currencies.

    The 3rd world is still very poor, please don’t forget that fact, the money many of you find a trivial amount, is a lot to us. I cannot expect many to understand my respect for money, because what people have in excess, they tend to be careless about.

  • Ugh

    @Indy

    Yea, you poor sod.
    I just spent a couple of weeks teaching some india fella how the next door department works, because they are outsourcing the whole thing to India.

    So many tears are flowing for you and your respect for money right now, it’s incredible.

  • Anonymous

    @27 dude the offer have ended is normal to be down LOL

  • finfag

    Wait, I’ve spent 12 years of my life as a pirate.
    In that time I have bought a total of 1 media, a HD-DVD to test my HD-DVD drive.
    Now, because of a new busines model, I should PAY a penny OR MORE to support something that I’ve not supported in 12 years?
    Sorry, got it of TPB just because of these stupid comments, propably will just delete it and never instal, but I had to DL it FOR FREE, it’s how we should live forever, no matter the cause!

  • someone

    It would be cool if they took webmoney or ven as payment.

    I’m on the whole no-google no-paypal wagon, too.

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  • Benji

    @65 finfag

    That’s shameful dude. If everyone had that attitude, there would be no investing in entertainment mediums anymore and if there were, i assure you they would be terrible. Sure, download what you want, but if you really enjoy something, don’t you want to thank the person that made it available? Support their future endeavours? You shouldn’t have to pay because you havent for twelve years? Have you been downloading since you were born? Because you’re acting like a 12 year old kid. Seriously take a look at yourself. Pathetic.

    /Rage.

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