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IMAGiNE BitTorrent Piracy Group Members Jailed

After being tipped off by the MPAA the feds arrested four members of the prominent BitTorrent release group IMAGiNE in 2011. All plead guilty earlier this year and yesterday the first two were sentenced to 23 and 30 month prison terms for their role in the capturing, ripping and distribution of copyrighted films. In addition, the members were ordered to jointly pay $449,514 to the MPAA.

September last year IMAGiNE stopped distributing new films via their private BitTorrent tracker UnleashTheNet. As IMAGiNE was one of the Internet’s leading BitTorrent release groups the hiatus sparked speculation that the authorities were onto them. Indeed, TorrentFreak was tipped off by the leader of a rival group that this indeed was the case.

A few months later confirmation arrived when the group was indicted by the U.S. Government.

In April, Jeramiah Perkins of Portsmouth, Va., Gregory Cherwonik of New York, Willie Lambert of Pennsylvania, and Sean Lovelady of California, were all charged with several counts of criminal copyright infringement.


An IMAGiNE Release

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According to the indictment the four worked together to cam, rip and release many pirated films to the public, The authorities described IMAGiNE as “one of the largest and most effective organized copyright crime groups on the Internet.”

A report prepared on behalf of the major movie studios further alleged that IMAGiNE was responsible for 41% of all instances of English language theatrical audio piracy from September 2009 to September 2011, which amounted to almost five times more releases than the next leading English language release group.

Yesterday, Lambert and Lovelady were the first IMAGiNE members to be sentenced by Virginia District Court Judge Arenda Allen.

Willie Lambert, 57, received a 30 month prison sentence and three years of supervised release. Sean Lovelady, 28, was sentenced to 23 months in prison and three years of supervised release.

In addition, the four defendants were ordered to jointly and severally pay $449,514 in restitution to the MPAA.

The sentences are lower than the advised 46-57 months prison term suggested by the Department of Justice, but higher than any file-sharing related conviction in the past. Both Lambert and Lovelady were reported to have no criminal history and had plead guilty to one count of criminal copyright infringement.

Unleash

IMAGiNE started their activities in 2009 and the feds started looking into the group early 2010 after they were tipped off by the MPAA. In May 2010 investigators searched the home of one of the defendants, but the group continued to operate after that and even launched their own private BitTorrent tracker in the same year.

Aside from reproducing and releasing copyrighted films on their private tracker UnleashTheNet they also “capped” films at local movie theaters.

The two remaining IMAGiNE defendants also plead guilty in previous months. They are awaiting their sentencing later this month and early 2013.

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  • Frank Fiorta

    Those sentences are sickening. A man recently killed my Aunt and her boyfriend while driving drunk and he’s looking at probation only! Steal a movie or two, three years! Fuck this country.

    • Guest

      Maybe someone should drive a truck in a drunkard state at the MAFFIA.

      • yelloo

        “one of the largest and most effective organized copyright crime groups on the Internet.”
        thats how i’l remember them

        • 7th_Guest

          Wait, I’m confused. Is that phrase supposed to describe the IMAGINE group or the MAFIAA?

        • Wallace

          “one of the largest and most effective organized copyright crime groups on the Internet.”

          Dwarfed only by the large and effective group of people who cut the tags off their mattresses.

    • Guest321

      Well technically its not even stealing, its just unauthorized copying.

      • http://twitter.com/SanderEvers Sander Evers

        Which is even worse, if you’d ask me. If I steal something from you, you would know right away. If I copy something of you and I can distribute your stuff to millions of people, you might even not know it. But you will lose sales because of it.

        How much it really affects sales is something that will never be 100% clear though. (1 copy isn’t a lost sale, MPAA!)

        • Danny

          “If I copy something of you and I can distribute your stuff to millions of people, you might even not know it. But you will lose sales because of it.”

          Why do you loose sales?
          And have you proof to back up this claim?

          All evidence points to file sharing as increasing sales and not the other way round.

      • Pelham123

        They camcordered the movies, which is not really stealing either, but it’s not like they simply shared files.

    • Corporations ? people

      Unfortunately the law is not for social reasons.
      The law is for capitalistic reasons.

      America has it completely backward. Capitalism for society and Socialism for corporations… wtf

      Socialize corporate loses.
      Socialize corporate tax breaks.
      Socialize corporate grants.
      Socialize corporate bail outs.
      Socialize any corporate expense in return for maybe a few jobs.

      Privatize the police.
      Privatize the army.
      Privatize the schools.
      Privatize the health care.
      Privatize the prisons.
      Privatize every social service for corporate capitalism to profit from. Socialize any loses they have and we have no choice, except pay whatever they say needs to be paid, even if it’s 10x the cost of the public sector rate.

      US leads the way, UK right wing is following.
      Unfortunately the law is not for social reasons.
      The law is for capitalistic reasons.

      • Anon

        Well said. Smell the coffee and get on the lawful side and prosper. Stay with piracy and lawbreaking, get caught and do the time. Has this not always been true since the first days of civilization?

        Established social systems represent what the people agree and accept and support with their work, their taxes, their votes and their compliance.

        And we like it this way. :-)

        • Anyone

          the social norm is clearly that sharing should be legal
          in a few years the laws will reflect that, until then some of us sadly have to suffer such injustice

        • Truth

          I agree with that.

          You pirate stuff, you accept the consequences of that action.

          If you don’t want to do the time, don’t do the crime.

        • Keke

          reminds me of nnweedman and the laws. Wasnt the jury supposed to judge these people? Look up njweedman dot com or google search and you will see that he presented the case the law is wrong and won for carrying about 1lb of weed. The same can be said about file sharing, so someone needs to present this in court like this man did and win.

        • Moxie

          Why should I follow a law if it’s clearly unjust?

        • harry krishna

          i smell the coffee, also, and you sux

        • Guest

          “Stay with piracy and lawbreaking, get caught and do the time.”

          False. Far, far less than 1% of pirates have ever been caught. Or ever will be. We can -safely- pirate with impunity because there are so many of us that most of us are uncatchable. Have you ever heard of the term “safety in large numbers”?

          “Stay on the lawful side and prosper”? lol.

          Okay, so I guess during the civil rights movement black people should have just stayed on the lawful side and accepted segregation and being 2nd class citizens. Women should have accepted being unable to vote, as well.

          Because in Anon Land, the law is immutable, always right, and must be followed no matter what. Lawbreaking is always wrong and the path to ruin. Correct?

          Established social systems may -at one time- have represented what the people agreed with and supported, but that was before the government was hijacked by corporations and other special interests. Social systems are now grossly out of touch with what the people want and support. For example, piracy has become normal and socially acceptable to hundreds of millions of people… And yet it’s outlawed in many parts of the world. The copyright industry and its government puppets are simply saying FUCK YOU to society and supporting corporate interests rather than the people*.

          Which, incidentally, is fascism according to Benito Mussolini’s own definition of it. And he had some authority on the subject.

          (*historically speaking, this never lasts)

      • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

        While I mostly agree with your points, privatizing the army/ military is a horrible idea.

        • Guest

          lolwut

          As a former contractor, lol, its already private.

        • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

          What, you mean the people that make military equipment? I’m talking about the people that are authorized to shoot people.

        • Anyone

          there are lots of private contractors shooting people in Iraq and Afghanistan being paid by the US

          just google Blackwater

        • Guest

          @Anyone they are mercenaries, not the military.

        • Anyone

          mercenaries = privatized military

        • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

          Yeah, mercenaries are a BAD idea. Look, the role of the military is to defend and/or upkeep the laws of an nation. The role of any kind of mercenary unit is to profit. Do I really have to spell out for you what is the most noble endeavor?

      • 2broke2payAttention

        “Love Thy Country, Hate Thy Government…”

      • God 2.0

        Remember kiddies… Politics is the art of getting what YOU want. Be it with money, power, illusion of power, fantasy of greatness (Megalomania, Narcissism, etc).

        MLA programs, call this “leadership”. aka screwing those around you to make your life a tad better for the brief existence of the human species on this little tiny orb in elliptical orbit around a medium sized, very common, yellow star.

        I highly doubt any of this will be around in 500 years, let alone 500 Million, or 500 Billion, etc.

        • 7th_Guest

          Yeah, yeah, yeah, we’re all so insignificant, life’s such a pointless exercise in futility and nothing anyone will ever leave behind will withstand the test of time eternal. Wanna drop these ridiculous rationalizations for your inaction or would you like to borrow my katana instead and save yourself from existential agony? Yeah, that’s what I thought…

      • Andrew Lee

        Well can’t argue with that you’re spot on. It’s sad being stuck in the middle and not being able to to a damn thing about it.

        Privatized police = above the law.
        Privatized army = fuck with the law and end up in Gitmo.
        Privatized school = a nation of morons that are too stupid to fight.
        Privatized health care = who gives a fuck if you’re sick.
        Privatized prisons = a South Park style man orgy pile. “Jesus Christ” if you watch SP you’ll get that last part.
        Alright that was a bit much lol but the privatized prisons that exist have far more violence and it’s very unsafe for the staff. Just look at some of the riots in private prisons and you’ll see what I mean. Private prisons are the leader in inmate vs inmate/staff attacks.

        All I can really think of is what the fuck?

    • JordanKratz

      IMAGINE A World where the MAFIAA are dead.Their buildings destroyed.MAFIAA hunted down with bounties on their heads.

      MAFIAA Are the Enemy

      • Antidote

        Should we build KZ or Gulags, herr sturmfuhrer Krantz?

      • Guest

        What about the Yakuza?

    • Anon

      At least you got the “steal” part right. Now to realize it’s time to stop breaking the law so we can retain some online freedom.

      The loss of your Aunt and her boyfriend is tragic, but isn’t comparable to digital theft. Governments will continue to be very serious about protecting the work of their industries. You’d better make your peace with that reality.

      • Anyone

        how is loss of life less severe than imaginary profit losses for corporations?

        are you such an asshole that you believe that or are you just trolling?

        • Anon

          Who said it was less severe? I said unlawful death is not comparable to criminal infringement. Maybe it is not too late for you to go back to school.

        • Anyone

          it would just have fit with the rest of your posts, you always seem to hold profits as more valuable than lives

      • IHaveNoBalls

        “stop breaking the law so we can retain some online freedom. ”

        What a dumb thing to say, you think they are taking control of the net because some people are getting shit for free? Or maybe they want to harness the net for themselves so they can make tons of cash and spy on people.

        And again someone blames the “downloaders” for internet censorship.. What have you done to try and stop the internet censorship. I bet nothing…

        • Anon

          “What have you done to try and stop the internet censorship.”

          I pay for 100% of the for-sale media I take. If i don’t like the price I do without, just as fairplay intends and expects. I also enjoy a lot for for-free stuff that was intended for free. Pirates don’t accept there is a difference, bringing government down upon us. I have also launched local petitions to stop government law enforcement online and met with my Congressman so many times I’ve lost track. As long as copyright law keeps getting broken online, government has what they need to surveille. Any pirate who thinks their online malfeasance is not part of why we are losing our freedoms is too blinded by greed and too busy downloading torrents to actually see what they are doing and what they are trading away. Pirates disgust me. Taking ANYthing for free that was intended for sale is disgusting.

        • Anyone

          paying for media is what leads to censorship
          the more money those assholes have to bribe politicians, the worse the laws get

          so basically you do nothing to stop the censorship, you even support it with your money

        • Trespass

          @Anon
          I disagree. Piracy may be an excuse the government uses to try to squeeze more and more control over the internet, but they would have just as easily used child porn or some other issue. It is killing the government that they do not have control.

          It has gone beyond the myth stage that there exists an internet “kill switch” and in the event of a disaster, the government would not hesitate using it so we cannot communicate to one another. To believe otherwise is naive…

        • Guest

          “I pay for 100% of the for-sale media I take.”

          I doubt that’s even true. You’re MAFIAA, and the MAFIAA has proven time and time again that they’re shameless hypocrites. You’re probably a prolific pirate. And since you also appear to be a sociopath, if you are a pirate, you’re probably the kind that gives nothing back to the artists even though you could afford to.

        • InternetPolice
      • Guest

        “At least you got the “steal” part right.”

        Since filesharing isn’t stealing, that’s the only part he didn’t get right. So of course, as a complete and utter liar, that’s the one thing you call “true”.

        “Who said it was less severe?”

        You did, you bag of shit. Don’t try to weasel your way out of it. Frank Fiorta expressed outrage that copyright infringement is punished more severely than a DOUBLE HOMICIDE IS.

        Then YOU attempted to justify the government’s treatment of copyright infringement as being a worse crime than DOUBLE HOMICIDE by calling the two incomparable. Which means that yes, fucker, you ARE implying that copyright infringement is worse. So much worse that it doesn’t even compare to homicide.

        I know you like your own comments to make it look like people agree with your unhinged bullshit, but this time it is in especially bad taste. Four people do not agree with your assessment that piracy is worse than killing people.

    • djnforce9

      Just goes to show you that America places some mega-corporation’s profit margins at a much higher importance than people’s lives and thus they view piracy as the much bigger crime. Sickening indeed. Why should we care how well some stupid business does anyway?

  • Guest321

    USA as a country has completely gone to the dogs.

    • Anonymous

      wrong! it has gone complete to corporations!!

      • Guest

        It has gone to the mega-corps chairmen’s dogs

        FTFY!

    • Guest

      Don’t insult canines like that, bro. The USA would be in much better shape if it was literally run by a pack of dogs.

      • Anonymous

        True, at the moment it is being run by mentally retarded apes anyway so giving it to dogs would actually be more beneficial for America.

      • Guest321

        Sorry mate. I myself love dogs. No offense intended to dogs. Its just a ridiculous figure of speech, who knows who came up with it.

        • Guest

          I DID ! yes yes thank you thank you ,I know how could one burden under so large a brain?!

  • Hiphooop

    foirst

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    These sentences and fines are in themselves fecken criminal.

    The so-called ‘justice’ system in the USA has gone nuts, and needs to serve the People rather big business ffs.

    • Anon

      Digital theft and infringement has been unlawful for a long time and the law serves everyone except those who want something for nothing. ffs.

      • Anyone

        sharing information should never be illegal

      • http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett

        actually according to @mpaa and FBI, mpaa has clearly stated piracy is no theft and the FBI have clearly stated digital content isnt evidence.

      • lol

        Digital theft? As in, you steal 0/1 bits? LOL

        • Guest

          Copying =! Theft
          Oh the mentally challenged one is amongst us again :/

      • Guest

        Copying isn’t theft, deal with it.

  • http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett

    2 things

    1
    ” In May 2010 investigators searched the home of one of the defendants, but the group continued to operate after that and even launched their own private BitTorrent tracker in the same year”

    well if this is the case that they had been raided and STILL continued their releasing, AND also opened their site, then its their own big egos and stupidity that got them into the problems. Plus it clearly shows from this that even though they preached security etc, they actually couldnt give a crap to its members

    2. “pay $449,514 to the MPAA” if owners and artists still dont see that the mpaa are simply doing all this busting to gain funds and noise for their own lobbying and none of the money goes to the artits, then they cant moan about not getting paid

  • Guest

    untited state of nazist

    • Guest

      USSA

      • Guest

        Why attack USSR?

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    These sentences and fines are in themselves fecken criminal.

    The so-called ‘justice’ system in the USA has gone nuts, and needs to serve the People rather big business ffs.

  • thedude321

    They didn’t make any money off of this. Why are they being fined half a million?

  • thedude321

    They didn’t make any money off of this. Why are they being fined half a million?

    • Ieheznoa

      Because the U.S judicial system is retard-friendly.
      Logic has no place in it.

      Even pedos get less sentence, but OMG you dare to copy 0s and 1s?
      Fuck off and rot in jail with real criminals LMAO

  • Anon

    What’s important here is the clarity with which the DOJ has made their case and the unambiguous statement it makes about copyright infringement.

    Now it is just movies and music and books and stuff, but should pharmaceutical formula and automotive design be permitted to be ripped off on a global scale? And the money drawn down from that as it has been in the recording industry? And should an intelligent society just let it all go “free?”

    If yes, who pays for the next generation of research, creativity and discovery? and How? Should they get “real jobs” and research on the weekends? Should everything we have be free now and industry funded research stop? Anarchy appeals to only the mentally damaged and disgruntled. Clearly society tends to follow rules.

    So infringement will remain a crime at this scale.

    The DOJ recommended 4-5 years for a first offense. These men will probably lose close to 2 years of their lives behind bars in a prison for this. I think this is reasonable and well argued and documented. This was clearly willful infringement. All willful infringement will be heavily punished if this keeps up.

    Governments are finally beginning to make their positions clear. You’d better have something more intelligent and influential than just hiding and mouthing off on TF, and pretty soon, too.

    • Anyone

      “but should pharmaceutical formula and automotive design be permitted to be ripped off on a global scale?”
      yes, of course
      patents are stifling progress
      without patents we would get ahead in science much faster

      • Anon

        Then how would you fund it if it doesn’t return on investment?

        • Anyone

          for most products being first on the market is enough to make a return on the investment
          and you save a lot of money because you are not sued by copyright trolls like Apple

          I sorta agree that that might not be the case for medicine, which is why the government should invest more in that
          with the cost of medicine way down because of generics there should easily be enough money from the healthcare system to cover the research

        • BuddhaFacePalmed

          But it doesn’t work that way.

          In theory, patents and copyright are given to allow the rights-holder to profit of his work a little while as cognition and gratitude for his work. In reality, corporations with deep pockets use these systems to extend their product’s profitability date past their due.

          Pharmaceuticals shouldn’t be given patents and copyrights because since when human life became more important than money? Yes to trademarks to ensure that the consumers know who to go to for their quality of the product. Not pharma corps registering the DNA of a particular extract of a plant long existed

        • Anon

          @BuddaFace

          If pharma isn’t for sale through patent protection, would you increase taxation on everybody to fund the billions needed for research?

        • Anyone

          @Anon
          as I said below, there would be no additional tax because medicine without patents is extremely cheap, and the savings from healthcare will pay for the research

        • ScrewEwe2

          “lol We already know who each of you are.”

          Who am I? You don’t have a clue do you.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/26SRHAJKV4ZDBEGBFQ2DPTNKDY jason

      go fuck yourself, gutless coward.

      • IMAGiNE

        Looking over anons previous posts it easy to see that hes working for a @@ or one of the government organizations that watch this sort of stuff. So beware, hes probably trying to find out who each of you are.

        • Anon

          lol We already know who each of you are.

      • Anon

        And now here’s Jason with his insightful and intelligent commentary. Pirates define themselves. Thanks for that.

        • Ieheznoa

          You’re very welcome mafiaa-retard bitch :)

    • Trespass

      Governments positions only seem to be as clear as the amount of money being invested. We in the US have the best laws money can buy. The MAFIAA has spent obscene amounts of cash to create the legislation that suits their needs through special interest groups and basic bullying of foreign governments who previously had no interest in this particular issue.

      That said, TPB has upwards of 30 million users at the moment, KAT roughly the same. Numbers for private sites, and smaller BT sites of course just add to the numbers. This level of “civil disobedience” clearly shows that the present laws need to be reformed. As the numbers of “bored teenagers”, professionals, single parents, over 50 individuals become incarcerated of something that lesser crimes warrant a basic ticket, small fine, the inequity of the punishment fitting the crime is becoming more and more apparent.

      My point? People who share files, stream, want to see the TV show they missed, (which would have been free anyway), are common folk, not organized crime figures. If they are profiting off of someones work, selling it, bootlegging for money, I can see a problem. For personal use, sharing is no different than taping a song off of the radio, or using a TIVO to record your show off of HBO.

      The MAFIAA tried to stop the advent of all technology that we enjoy now. The vinyl LP, the Xerox machine, the VCR, the recordable DVD, TIVO, are all cases of documented attempts that the recording industry has attempted to quash technology. Every time, they claimed that the industry would be crushed. Every time they used the technology to their advantage. They can with file sharing as well.

      • Trespass

        Oh yeah, the Ipod really pissed them off in the beginning as well as the creation of MP3 files. How far do you think legislation should go because there is no “Fair Use” anymore, or at least no clear definition of what that really means anymore. Be real careful, Anon, with what you support, we may find less freedom to do what we want with the things we own!

        • Anon

          You never “own” media. You license it for your personal use. No duplication. No distribution. Go back to school.

        • Anyone

          @anon:
          which is bullshit
          if I buy something, I own it, and I can make as many copies of it as I want

        • Trespass

          My reference was meant for things like the iPod where it is technically illegal to even rip music you paid for to another format. As stated previously, there really is no fair use anymore, or at least the industry seem to pick and choose how it is applied. You may not “own” it, but you should have the right to how you use it. An iPod is pretty useless if you cannot put music on it. The industry also wants to stop you from re-selling what you have paid for. Hope that clarifies. Enough school, a masters degree is all I wanted. You?… finish elementary school yet?

          I guess you are just a troll unable to participate in a healthy debate…

        • Guest

          @Anon

          You never “own” media. You license it for your personal use. No duplication. No distribution. Go back to school.

          Never heard of fair use, how about YOU go back to school. dumbass.

      • Anon

        Even if your numbers are correct and 60 million around the world are infringing to save the intended licensing cost for their own personal (greedy) gain, it’s a drop in 6 billion on the earth and 3 billion already online.

        When you get real numbers, you’ll find real influence. That’s how civilization works. Until then do the crime and brace yourself for the time.
        Your argument is with reality. ;-)

        • Anyone

          why should there be a license cost?
          why should I “buy” something if I don’t even own it afterwards? why spend money for nothing?

          until this scheme is fixed I will not “buy” anything and just be a happy pirate

        • Tactical Nuclear Penguin

          The real influence on real politicians is real money, really big money will give you really big influence, of course it’s not a bribe, it’s lobbying money, campaign donations or as the real lobbyists like to call it ‘influence’. Real business people don’t waste money on things that won’t make a difference to their company’s profits, that’s why charity donations are frowned upon, unless it gives the company a better/nicer public profile.
          My local MP couldn’t give two shakes what my opinion is on any matter as I can’t help in financing his/her re-election campaign, however if I come along with a few thousand dollars all of a sudden my MP is ‘All Ears’ and willing to do whatever it takes to get my opinion into law/prefered contractor/etc in the hope that more money will be forthcoming.
          As other studies have shown (reported on TF) downloading media files from the interweb is but a drop in the ocean compared to other forms of media copying. There are many normal people who cannot see any difference to recording media from TV, radio, your’s or other people’s recordings on disc etc. than downloading it from the interweb if it is only for personal use. In fact many countries allow you to record media for personal use and some even allow you to download from the interweb without it being a crime. So many of us are not committing any crime at all when we do what we do with media files.
          The media companies have had more than a decade ‘to get their shit together’ and give the consumer what they want, yet they still need people like yourself to defend their old and outdated ideas against the reality that is the digital age, simply because they have absolutely no intention of moving with the times.
          The digital reality is that something that can be endlessly copied for next to no cost will be, and no marketing around artifical scarcity is taken seriously anymore.
          We consumers are not asking them to do something extremely radical and new, all we asking is that they follow like good little sheep and use the interweb to deliver their product at a fair and reasonable price reflecting the truely low cost of delivery, and in a timely fashion without DRM.
          Until such time as that happens, the media companies are wasting their resources ‘shovelling shit up hill’ when it could better served pandering to the needs of the consumer. No other businesses have been so intractable in refusing to change with the market, instead they expect the market to change back for themselves.

      • Guest

        Stop Calling it the Mafia it is NOT the mafia the mafia are dead/dibanded !

        • Trespass

          WTF are you talking about? The MAFIAA is a common term to refer to the entertainment industry. And I did not write mafia, I wrote MAFIAA which, if you did not know stands for Music And Film Industry Association of America.

          I wish thery were dead, as an organization, that is… google it…

    • https://thepiratebay.org/user/manOtor/ manOtor

      Sorry, Anon (btw an interesting choice for a nick while telling us not to hide and mouth off on TF), but this is ridiculous!
      4-5 years for making a copy of something and giving it away for free?
      And you think this is reasonable?
      Yeah, it was willful infringement, buhu, WTF!?
      That still doesn’t justify this sentence.

      While the Governments finally make their position clear, so do the people.

      We do have something more intelligent and influential: a lot of people speak their minds to their political representatives or simply turn to those who listen (e.g. the pirate party, which gains members and increases in influence every day).

      People are learning more and more that they don’t have to swallow the kind of injustice described in the above article for the wealth of a few.

      If you’d follow TF you’d be aware of that.

      There still is no proof whatsoever to the alleged losses of the media industries to copyright infringement not involving any profit making.
      Which makes this sentence even more ridiculous.
      $1.500.000 and I wonder where this money will go…, hmmm.

      @TF: ^^I’d like to see a follow up on that one ernesto ;)

      Anyways, the clarity of their statement is not the issue.
      It’s like saying:”Sandy costs us a lot of money and took lives – Let’s go to war with Sandy!” – a clear statement, but utter nonsense.
      Clarity doesn’t make it right.

      I won’t get onto the pharma train, because clearly you don’t have a clue about how the pharma industries work, how they actively hinder research and development if it’s not feeding them profit, etc.
      You should probably read into it yourself, thoroughly and from many different sources. I believe you’ll be surprised how actually outrages and depressing the truth is.

      And should an intelligent society just let it all go “free?”
      Yes.
      An intelligent society would have done so a long time ago to avoid the dead end the whole matter has gotten into.
      ;)

      • Guest

        Who is Anon?

    • Guest

      “DOJ has made their case and the unambiguous statement it makes about copyright infringement.”

      The DOJ made a statement about camming movies specifically, not copyright infringement in general. Try again.

      “should pharmaceutical formula … be permitted to be ripped off on a global scale?”

      Yes. People lose their houses and die because big pharma demands insane prices for medicine that people require to live. Are you basically saying “copyright needs to be protected, so what if it kills a few people”?

      Yeah, you probably are.

      “And the money drawn down from that as it has been in the recording industry?”

      You’re confused. The recording industry is still making money hand over fist. It’s only the RIAA that’s dying(because artists are waking up to the MAFIAA’s scam).

      “who pays for the next generation of research, creativity and discovery? “

      Consumers do. Go take an Economy 101 class please.

      “Anarchy appeals to only the mentally damaged and disgruntled.”

      Your insistence that the legalization of filesharing and patent reform is “anarchy” tells me you have no idea what the hell anarchy even is.

      “All willful infringement will be heavily punished if this keeps up.”

      Really. Please tell us how HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF PIRATES will be caught and punished. Will it be through magic?

      “Governments are finally beginning to make their positions clear. “

      LOL!

      Okay, first of all you have literally been saying that for years. Second, governments have made it crystal clear that piracy is “bad” and must be eliminated as per the orders of its copyright industry masters SINCE THE DAYS OF NAPSTER.

      “You’d better have something more intelligent and influential than just hiding and mouthing off on TF, and pretty soon, too”

      Oh, pretty soon? Is another one of your imaginary threats coming to get us!? I’m shaking in my boots!!

      Which reminds me, not too long ago you said the Pirate Bay would go down forever “soon”. Then it moved to cloud hosting and become untouchable. What happened, bro?

    • Fuck_U_Anon

      Did you know that if it was not for patents to Pharmaceutical drugs,millions of people across the world in poor countries in Africa and Asia could be saved.
      Who pays for research,creativity and discovery??When your stupid debt based monetary system lets banks create and control 90% of your money supply,there is no point to your question.
      Fuck your Governments,the pirates will always find safe havens in places where freedom is still valued.You seem to forget how EU kicked away the anti-piracy ACTA and the treatment SOPA and PIPA got.

  • Anon

    @ anyone,
    When you reference government you appear to be advocating a forcible taxation on people who may not even want or need to fund these initiatives. Is forced tax a better alternative to simply voting with your purchases and just paying for whatever you take?

    • Anyone

      yes, there should be taxes, and there should be public healthcare

      as I said there would be no additional taxes, without patents medicine is dirt cheap to produce and the saved money should easily cover new research

      • Anon

        In reality, medications are quite costly to create. And have always been this way, including many more failures than successes. And everyone has to be paid for. You are suggesting increasing forced taxation. “Should easily cover new research.” lol

        • Anyone

          no, medicine is extremely cheap to make
          it’s only expensive because of patents

          just compare generics with “brand” medicine, it’s exactly the same stuff, one just costs a lot more

          and I do not suggest increased taxes, most civilized countries already have a healthcare system, and with the billions you save on medicine you can invest in research
          and since there is no competition anymore countries can also pool their research budget instead of multiple companies researching the same stuff

        • Anon

          “no, medicine is extremely cheap to make”

          You mean manufacture. I’m talking research and development and testing. A copy of a recording is almost free to make if you pretend the long ramp of work, goods, services, lessons, practice and overhead doesn’t actually exist that leads up to the creation of the first recording. Pirates live in mental caves of willful unreality. lol It’s why you keep getting no play.

        • Anyone

          @anon
          yes, I meant manufacture
          and as I said the cost of research is covered by the savings of not having to pay a premium to the pharma companies

          just look at how much the pharma companies make in profit, that money is what we would save in the healthcare sector without patents, without having to give up any research

          as for music, that works just as well with free non-profit copying
          use kickstarter or other crowdfunding services to create the first copy of the album, and after that the fans can copy it as much as they want, it’s already paid for

        • IHaveNoBalls

          People are going to have to pay the money these companies have spent on researching new “medicines” no matter what. A company has to make profit or it will no longer exist, you know that.

          So it really doesn’t matter whether the whole country pays for it via tax or just the people who get sick.

        • IHaveNoBalls

          “Pirates live in mental caves of willful unreality”

          No, some people have different opinions from you…

        • Anyone

          if the government pays for the research those companies are no longer needed
          so who cares if they make a profit?

          all you need is the scientists doing the research and some manufacturer making the pills, no need for pharma corporations anymore

  • Anonsucks

    Considering the useless nonsense my taxes already pay for, the idea of taxpayer backed medical research seems pretty reasonable. Lets build a few less bridges to nowhere in Alaska, maybe fight a few less pointless and drawn out wars in the desert, and spend those trillions on fixing whatever brain disorder causes Anon to spend all his time on these forums arguing copyright ethics with bored teenagers.

    • Anon

      “bored teenagers.”

      so true.
      When pirates gain a compelling cause, the winds will change, the people will back it, the governments will have no choice. Until then pirates are just pirates. Bored teenagers. lol Now don’t get caught digital stealing!! lmao

      • Who

        do you even know the true definition of a Pirate? don’t think ya do.

      • Farsighted

        Maybe if we can almost completely stop file sharing these “bored teenagers” can become real criminals and break into your house rape your old lady and steal all your valuables

      • Guest

        The winds will change… You mean like more and more Pirate Party representatives getting elected to office, as is already happening?

        The people backing us… Like when they rose up to oppose SOPA and PIPA?

        The government will have no choice… Like when they had no choice to kill SOPA and PIPA because people rallied around the compelling cause of pirates?

        You mean like that, Anon?

  • Who

    encoders just need to stop putting there group names on things. no one really cares who did the encoding any ways, and it can always be removed by another user so whats the point in telling the world who did it.
    but I don’t know y they pleaded guilty. or this is FAKE AS HELL, just to scare us. its not gona work.

    • http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett

      from what i understand, in the states the law can really screw you over when piracy is concerned, infact piracy can be looked upon WORSE than murder. so they likely did a deal with the guilty plea. BUT as i stated before, if its true that members were raided before the site was even up. then it just shows they deserved what they got sadly for their stupidity of thinking they would never get caught.

  • Line Audio

    welcome to the big house imagine now we can work on that ts in the cell you’ll be sharing with me dont worry boyz will be providing the audio

    • Big Willy

      Hey will that cam be call Imagine taking it up the ass?

      • Rep Pionts Thanks

        plz let us know when this porno is release i want to rencode it

        • RESiSTANCE

          hey thats my job please make you we get close up on penises

      • 26k

        can i be featured in this porno ill do anything you say

        • UNiQUE

          man your encodes are crap ateast i rencode everything is see better

  • Anonymous

    as sad as this news is and as much as i, like 99% here, disagree with it, i am trying to figure how the poor fucker yesterday just got fined $1.5million for 10 movies? to me this shows that the judge in that case is either a porn freak, is totally bought by Flava Works or maybe both!

  • Dondilly

    Yet another bill for U.S tax payers
    Knowing the entrapment methods (illegal in most countries ) utilized by U.S law enforcement along with the fact the MAFIAA must have had one or more sock puppet accounts to know what was going on. The very fact that a raid little more than a year after the group forming did not stop them expanding does imply that the very creation of IMAGINE may have been a honey pot

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  • Guest

    swabbel

  • http://www.facebook.com/chris.hawkes.186 Chris Hawkes

    Another reason why people should not use the Cloud to store your shit. It’s detrimental to your privacy!!

    I talked about this fact on my blog http://www.noobpost.com/detail/71/

    • ScrewEwe2

      Interesting that your site is plastered with Ads for Cloud services, while your article is anti-Cloud Service.

      • Guest

        Google Analytics will do that.

  • robogo

    Wow, man. I mean, wow. Guys get 30 months for releasing movies. Others embezzle millions, MILLIONS, and get probationary sentences. There’s our fine justice system hard at work.

    And I don’t understand this “rival release groups” malarkey. Aren’t we all in this together? We actually have to compete? What for? Boasting rights? Come on.

    • Anon

      Eventually what you’ll have left to boast about is how long your sentences are, the sacrifice you make for the pirates by breaking the law. ha ha

      • Netgrazer

        Dude, you’re not really making an effort, are you? Take 5, make yourself a sandwich or sumpin’… then get back on here. Troll 4 life!

      • Guest

        I want to know how Anon thinks all the pirates will be imprisoned. Putting aside the fact that it’s impossible to catch even 1% of us, does he think all the governments in the world will get together and build a giant floating prison colony the size of Australia to contain us all?

        Something tells me there’s a whole lot of shit he hasn’t thought through.

        • Anyone

          well, they try that with the “drug war”
          but that affects mostly black people, so most people don’t care about that

          “piracy arrests” will affect white people, so people will care if it ever reaches the numbers it does like in the “drug war”

          I know its racist, but that’s how society works
          just look how differently missing blonde white girls are covered compared to missing black kids

  • Chronoss2008

    yup you can kill people and get less time
    funny system the usa has

    • Guest

      US government bought and paid for by Hollywood.

    • Anyone

      the best system money can buy

  • Guest

    “As long as copyright law keeps getting broken online,
    government has what they need to surveille. Any pirate who thinks their online malfeasance is not part of why we are losing our freedoms is too blinded
    by greed and too busy downloading torrents to actually see what they are doing and what they are trading away. Type your comment here.”

    Yes, and women who get stoned to death by sharia courts in Saudi Arabia are themselves to blame. They could just have obeyed the law. Obeying the law is never an argument in itself for accepting authority.
    I think I know something about you. I know where you daughter works. She works in entertainment, so you have a vested interest in the system.
    Have you ever copied a cd from a friend? If you have ever broken copyright law in any manner, you are not clean and have no right to complain.

    Copyright law also applies offline, and I am almost certain you have broken it yourself.

    So what? The government caught the low hanging fruit, and fighting piracy works as well as the war on drugs – in other words not at all.

  • Guest

    “If pharma isn’t for sale through patent protection, would you increase taxation on everybody to fund the billions needed for research?”

    The taxpayers already pay for much research. Universities fund the research, and corporations skim the money. So yes, any scientific research should either be publicly funded and totally free or corporatized and and not subsidized by any tax money. If you don’t know that much scientific research is rlready paid for by the taxpayers, you are living in your cave.

  • Guest

    “Another reason why people should not use the Cloud to store your shit. It’s detrimental to your privacy!!”

    In this case, the failure was the lack of anonymity. I can’t understand why release groups are sso stupid.

    They use central clearnet servers with locked down access control which makes it easy to log ingoing and outgoing connections. This is always problematic, because any government now knows from where the first leak came.

    They might learn from the anti-communist opposition who employed anonymous distribution methods to get their literature out.

    Even a network subject to heavy logging and monitoring can be used as distribution channel, if one can find one open entry point not requiring authentication.

    It does not matter if the entry point for upload/distribution is in another country, or that the latency is low.

    - Find an open or poorly secured wifi, spoof the computer’s mac address etc and upload the encrypted container with the actual contents to a file host and use OTR over Tor to communicate the links to your friends.

    And of course, don’t write your info in the media tags.
    This is security 101, and other variations could be added to make the chain more secure and deniable, but you know what I mean.

  • Roswell1701

    Well, it’s BUSINESS AS USUAL on Torrent Freak… This site and most of you who blog here are not Pirates. The art of Pirating, like most everything in today’s society, has been hopelessly BASTARDIZED into nothing more than a POLITICAL TOOL. Yes, there is great validity to the legal and political argument of whether or not sharing copyrighted material over the Internet falls within the realm of Free Speech. Many of you are well versed in the law and, rather than simply bitching about it’s perceived inequities, you actively work within the guidelines of the law to bring about legal, social and political change. You are true believers in the Democratic Process and I greatly respect your efforts. The rest of you are a collective mob of bitching, pissing, moaning, basement-dwelling, wannabe Anarchists who take joy not in the art of Piracy but in the never-ending rant of anti-Capitalism and Marxist propaganda. The former are Political Activists and the latter are Malcontents, but NEITHER are Pirates. As I’ve stated in previous posts, I’ve been a Pirate since the 1970′s. I produced video tape copies of popular movies from prints used in second-run theaters and distributed them on the Black Market. In the 90′s, I ran a Pirate radio station and was busted by the FCC. But I never cried fowl, even as my equipment was being confiscated. Now, I Torrent… Yes, I am a Pirate and I’m proud of it, but I’m neither out to make a political statement, nor to fuck with the Capitalist Beast or defeat the evil Copyright Monster. I do it because I love media and because I’m damn good at it… I don’t know what the political views of the IMAGINE team are, but I do know that the quality of their work was EXCELLENT. Like all REAL Pirates, they took the risk and are now paying the price. Let’s put aside the political self-righteous indignation and social unrest just long enough to say, THANK YOU, IMAGINE TEAM!

    • Ophelia Millais

      Props to you for voicing one of the more unusual and interesting points of view around here. I don’t think I agree, though. You seem to fault the piratical masses for having an agenda, be it anti-corporate, anti-copyright or whatever, and you seem to think this is mutually exclusive with pirating for the love of the media. I think if you talk to most of these people, you’ll find their actions are motivated much more by their interest in the media than by any sociopolitical agenda. They enjoy the content and find it rewarding to share. They’re adopting the anti-whatever views because they’re being branded as criminals and moral degenerates for what they do. You seem to feel they shouldn’t care about such injustices, and you look down your nose at them, saying they aren’t “real” pirates for feeling this way. I’m not sure that’s particularly productive. What are you trying to accomplish?

      • Roswell1701

        “I think if you talk to most of these people, you’ll find their actions are motivated much more by their interest in the media than by any sociopolitical agenda.”

        Ophelia, believeve me, I’ve tried. The discourse, however, always seems to center on or revert to politics. I appreciate passionate devotion to one’s beliefs, but really… I think, maybe, I just find it overwhelming. But I’ll keep trying… :)

  • Guest

    “The rest of you are a collective mob of bitching, pissing, moaning, basement-dwelling,
    wannabe Anarchists who take joy not in the art of Piracy but in th
    e never-ending rant of anti-Capitalism and Marxist propaganda.”

    Please do not assume that opposition to intellectual property is anti-capitalist or marxist and that support for capitalism = IP . Some libertarians reject IP as a violation of private property.

    I am libertarian and hate IP. IP elevates intangible property over physical property. IP enforcement can not be successful without destroying my right to physical privacy in my house, papers, effects and electronic communication.

    Opposing IP is not a right or left issue but a defense of civil liberties, due process, privacy and free speech.

    • Anyone

      piracy is very pro-capitalism
      you use your own resources to create a copy of something instead of paying someone to create that copy for you

      it’s the copyright monopoly that is anti-capitalism, because it circumvents the free market by having a government granted monopoly which is simply outdated nowadays

      so you’d think all the pro-capitalism, pro-free market guys would all embrace piracy, as it easily aligns with their world view

    • Roswell1701

      IP elevates intangible property over physical property. IP enforcement can not be successful without destroying my right to physical privacy in my house, papers, effects and electronic communication.

      This is an EXCELLENT theses! Proving or disproving it opens at least three major avenues of legal, philosophical and moral argumentation…

      1. What are our rights to physical privacy?

      2. What are our rights to privacy regarding “electronic communication?”

      and (this is the most important question, as it is at the core of your theses)

      3. Is Intellectual Property in fact “intangible?”

      Each question can be researched and argued to no end. Good luck doing so. In the mean time, I’ll just keep Pirating. :)

  • Rekrul

    Someone needs to post the names and addresses of the scumbags who ratted on IMAGiNE.

    • http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett

      so i guess you are just going to completely not read that the members of imagine were raided but still opened their site and released for a long time after……

      yes ratting on them was bad enough, but for gods sake they has apprantly been raided before hand. so who ever “ratted” on them didnt exactly have much push on the arrests

  • nanoTomics

    Yeah man, like Holywood really needs the cash, like you know, man…

    They doing it really, really tough….

    “Through the end of October, year-to-date box office is at $8.78 billion, which is a four percent improvement over 2011 through the same point. It’s about even with 2010, though, and will need a very strong final two months to beat 2009′s record $10.596 billion. ”

    Sauce; http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3559&p=.htm

    They are worried, very worried that this year they won’t be able to set a new record.

    Alas, if you really, really want to take a stand against this greed, simply put; DON’T WATCH THEIR CRAP!

    What will really hurt the movie industry is if you DON’T watch their shit at ALL!

    Don’t pay to watch it and don’t download illegal copies!

    That’s how you win. Imagine what you could do with all your free time.

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    time to start real criminal gansta style irl o.O

  • will

    Government interference is in every way interfering with the free market and therefore capitalism.

  • will
  • YenMooo

    That sounds like some pretty crazy stuff
    u-privacy.tk

  • HATERS WILL HATE

    Half of you…Or probably even the majority couldn’t give a f**k if they are to go to prison. You may express your disgrace at the judgement, but really – your life moves on, theirs don’t. Hence, I understand when filelockers and torrents shut down — They don’t want to go to jail and all you guys say is “pussies”.

    My 2 cents.

  • PelouzeTF

    Don’t drop the soap Imagine ! If you get caught by Bubba in the showers, at least you’ll be able to do the first torrent release.

  • http://twitter.com/krozareq krozareq

    The most fundamental problem with the Internet now is that it’s ubiquitous. The head-in-the-sand population who are for these tough laws and censorship are the same people, who years ago, feared the Internet and did everything they could to avoid it.

    The Internet was a better place.

    We need to work on the new Internet. Right now we have the TOR darknet which has some promise.

    Need to keep it noncommercial and for hobbyists. The 10-yr-olds; the Facebook sharers of ancient memes; and people who think there should be more God and Government watching their connection can all keep the fucking Internet.

    Need to do what we can to promote a new network for opensource developers, web developers, and Linux/BSD users: people who drove the spirit that got the Internet going in the first place.

    We live in a world where the masses hold rights and principles dear to their heart but do not question how those values are being applied to society, if they’re being applied at all.

    Symbolism is a key part of ignorance. Question everything.

  • PirateSoldier

    So that’s what happens when you don’t use a vpn. Lesson learned. Thankfully I already use a good vpn service

    • Roswell1701

      Damn right! :)

  • steve

    30 months for a non violent, non physical crime is extreme to say the least. If they sold what they did and lived like kings I would say that does warrant some federal attention but even then 30 months seems a little harsh.

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  • ane92

    I think this prison sentence is fair. I’m a bit hypocritical because I downloaded some of these guys’s releases and was thankful for the work they did. And yes I realized they aren’t a threat to society.

    But lets not kid ourselves, these guys knew the risk they were taking and they continued to do it, over and over and over and over and over again. If they weren’t releasing CAM’s someone else would have been, it’s not like someone forced them to become one of the largest piracy groups out there (in terms of movie cam’s anyways).

    Also lets be real here for a minute…. they are headed to a min security prison. These places are more like really boring resorts than “prison”. It’s better to be a free man of course, but it’s really not all that bad, 1.5 yrs will fly by pretty quick I IMAGINE (get it?)

    I do think the fines for this type of stuff or excessive though….your average person could end up spending the rest of their life trying to pay off fines like these. I think the prison sentence is enough to try to deter others from doing the same and also without finincally destroying these guy’s lives for a non violent crime.

    Just my thoughts. I’m not anti piracy or anything, I just believe when people are knowingly breaking the law on a large scale they should accept the consquences that can come with them and not cry about it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZD4NGSQBUC4AL2A67BCGKHBNWE AKP666

    It’s almost like the burden of protecting the Copyright Holder’s warped idea of an investment is our responsibility. They want to sell their shit movies then turn around and say they still retain the rights to the said movies. Then what exactly am I buying when I pay for the DVD, Game, whatever it may be? If I don’t own my own property then the retailers are responsible for refunding me my money as they have falsely misrepresented the transaction we had entered, did they not? These same people trying to shut down the used market online too. No more ebay, no more craigslist. The warped idea is they work a day out of their lives, then expect to be payed over and over again. How does that even make sense?

  • http://twitter.com/OO729 DoubleO

    Hey Guys what does “capped” mean? Does it mean to cam films?

    • http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett

      well its odd, becuase it seems there are many words used everywhere. and i say this becuase yes i was on the understanding it was simple “cammed”, since the word and meaning capped comes from tv content. but then again i guess it epends on the groups and members.

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  • gumbi

    well it sucks for them gettin that kind sentence but they brought it upon themselves p2p group they were fine but there amzaing egos thought that opening a tracker and running a vip ftp dumpsite for donators would make them plenty coin and look where that got them shafted rite up the arse so moral of the story dont try and make money out of filesharing :(

  • Anon2

    So since they were sentenced, does that mean no more Matine releases??

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  • Welovefree

    The authorities described IMAGiNE as “one of the largest and most effective organized copyright crime groups on the Internet.”

    WHAT THE FUCK !!! someone will thing it’s a fucking massive Black Organization of 1000s of people around the world. NO MAN they are just 4.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/derrick.drew Derrick Drew

    If they made movies more affordable, there would be less demand for illegal copyright abuse. Its the same as legalizing pot, if you do there will be less illegal growing and selling and purchasing. Until they wise up, come up with a way to give a balance to the cost of watching a simple movie, then there will be pirating. The way it is now, poor folks can’t enjoy the same luxury in simple movie viewing as well as well to do folks can.

    Yet, to find out that one group turned another or other members in to the authorities from anger, retaliation or whatever is ludicrous on their part. To turn someone in to law enforcement in FOR THE VERY SAME CRIMINAL ACTIVITY that you yourself are guilty of? Its hypocrisy to the extreme and a blacklist and ban should be made against the offending team, or what if those names were offered in retaliation for a lesser sentence,

    I doubt seriously if anyone would shed a tear to find out the members of the opposing team were captured, arrested and also imprisoned, and if you haven’t gotten a clue yet? Its the easiest way to eradicate such teams. If I were an executive personae of MPAA, it is exactly the chess move I would make, create a scenario where one team thought the other stole material, and then left accusatory evidence to point a finger at them, initiate the war, divide and then conquer. Brilliant strategy!

  • illuminated one

    I wonder if Safuk009 memory100 and chaos will find the penis jokes so funny when they are the ones facing years in prison hmm doubt it
    but those who know chaos know he loves cock just ask his tranny husband darkscene. with most of imagine going down makes you wonder how stuffies avoided being caught cough ***rat*** cough

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    penis

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