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Impotent With Rage, Psychotic File-Sharers Bite The Hand That Feeds Them

Ask any veteran of the file-sharing community who their arch-enemies are and it’s safe to presume that the RIAA and MPAA will be the first two stones at the top of the piracy hate-pyramid. After all, when it comes to disrupting the activities of pirates – and in some cases ruining their lives – they have few equals. But are the music and movie industries justified in their actions when, after all, they’re supplying most of the content on which file-sharers survive?

ffffuuuu“The loathing that many pirates demonstrate for people in the film and music industries has a furious vitriolic intensity. What drives this extremism? After all, these industries are providing the entertainment that these people spend so much of their lives consuming,” says an article on the copyright focused 1709 Blog.

The situation that provoked the article on 1709 Blog was the news that the administrators of BitTorrent site FileSoup had walked free after their cases were dropped by the UK’s Crown Prosecution Service.

However, the 1709 Blog article “Parasites in the FileSoup” concentrated not on the main news, but on the reactions from both TorrentFreak and Telegraph readers who made their opinions known in no uncertain terms.

“Fuck you Hollywood !!!! Boycott all mafiaa material,” said Gorehound as quoted by 1709 Blog.

“‘Good,” said Quinn. “Success for the ordinary folks over the Fat Cats who are still living in the past.”

So what provokes these strong emotions? On these and other similar comments, the 1709 Blog has a theory.

“Overwhelmed by the glut of content on P2P networks, file-sharers have lost control of their lives. Impotent with rage, they bite the hand that feeds them. They have made themselves the slaves of media-consumption – and who better to blame than the parasites, the scum, the spivs, the fat cats who ‘lord it over’ their screens?”

Regular TF commenter Rob8urcakes, who was also quoted on 1709 Blog, explained his contempt for the people behind the FileSoup legal action in quite different terms.

“The greedy, over-zealous asswipes that pursued this case to Court were so blinded by their own rage they saw no sense other than to try and prosecute these 2 guys to the full extent of the law,” he wrote.

“That meant their stupidity overwhelmed them by getting police to charge Filesoup under the CRIMINAL law of conspiracy rather than the civil offence of copywrong infringement. These crazed dummies from FACT wanted to chase down a small, almost defenceless site and get the Admins jailed as criminals in order to set an example and gain a legal precedent.”

So have file-sharers really lost control when they “bite the hand that feeds them”, or are they simply reacting to overwhelming bullying behavior as shown in the FileSoup case or the mauling of Jammie Thomas or Joel Tenenbaum?

Do people in the file-sharing community have every right to be angry or are they forgetting who supplies most of this content in the first place? Does consumer unfriendly DRM give people good reason to feel like they’re being pushed around even when they’re paying, or are the entertainment industries justified in doing whatever they like with their content?

Is the rage against the so-called MAFIAA machine the inevitable backlash against years of customers being taken for granted or, as 1709 Blog puts it, does “the endless repetition of these sentiments have a pathological, even psychotic quality” about them?

As usual, the comments section is now open. We know you’ll have your say.

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  • Glenndoe

    Poor old me. I know that every illegal download of my movie is a lost sale. If they couldn’t download my movie they would for sure buy the quality movie that we in hollywood always put out.

    • Glenndoe

      If they put out a quality film, they should have no problem with sales. Its either bite the hand that feeds you, or get smacked by the hand that feeds you. If a burger company made one of the most crappy burgers you ever ate, would you buy it? If you were hungry and someone offered you one for free you might, but you would probably never buy it again. What I’m trying to say is, we like our burgers freshly ground and flamed broiled, with bacon. Now feed us.

      • sherboil

        Yeah, feed us, even though we’re *still* not going to pay for it.

        What a crock of b.s.

        • Anonymous

          You’re misinterpreting what he said. Probably out of a misinformed sense of whatever.

          He’s comparing it well. You would pay for a good burger. You however, would not pay for a crappy one.

          Give us good movies, not regurgitated remade crap, or parodies that aren’t parodies, or sequels that are already at part like 8 and the first film was out barely 8 years ago… and we’ll gladly pay up to go see them in theater or buy them on blu-ray (or whatever your preferred media is).

          Keep giving up all the crap that’s been coming out and we’re not going to waste our hard earned dollars on it.

          You really expect me to shell out at least $20 (for me and my date) to go see Saw 7? Or Date Movie (which is a crappy not even parody of like 30 movies that tries more to fill and use the 10 most recent films just so people can be like ha I get that reference)? Or “insert name of latest remade film here”?

          Hell no! I’m not gonna pay to see that stuff. And I’m certainly not going to take a date to see that and be forced to shell out more on something we’ll both hate. Better off staying in and watching something on tv. Or even read a book. I’d rather read a half-assed book than the latest special effects filled megaflop.

          You can say we won’t pay for things all you want, but that’s not true. We’ll pay. Just give us our money’s worth. That’s all we ask. Or well, that’s all I ask.

        • sherboil

          Just ’cause all you watch is crap doesn’t mean there aren’t good movies worth paying for.there are plenty.

          But you don’t pay for them either.

        • http://twitter.com/j_b_t Julius B. Thyssen

          Because they’re a huge part of that corrupted monetary system which is ruining the world we live in. And you know it. Stop pretending you don’t. Try these:
          http://vimeo.com/7857584
          http://zeitgeistmovingforward.com/

        • Anonymous

          You sir are a moron. Did you not just read what I wrote? I said I will pay for good movies. Not crap. I paid up for Alice In Wonderland. I paid up for The Crazies. Both mostly because of my chick, but also because they had actors/actresses we like in them. Unfortunately, she goes to school and I work way too much in an office and fix computers on my days off. So we haven’t been to a movie in awhile. Hence why those I listed are pretty old already.

          I will not however pay for all that type of crap that is released pretty much all the time. Which would be the examples I listed. Remakes, upteenth sequels, or parodies that do not know the meaning of the word parody.

          So I do pay for movies. But only good ones.

          Basically you’re just mad I clarified what Glenndoe said so you’re simple mind could comprehend it. That’s all. You ignored most of what I said. And instead focused on “I will not pay for crap movies”. And are just spinning that to fit your obviously slanted view that “all people don’t pay because they’d rather be thieves”. I may be a bit off on what your exact view is, but I’m pretty sure it’s close enough. Based on your comments so far.

          Don’t get bent out of shape because I said something you didn’t want to hear. I didn’t even mention pirating anything. I said I’ll pay up for good movies. And I won’t pay up for bad ones. To CLARIFY, because you’ll misunderstand that out of convenience, that DOES NOT mean I’ll pirate any movie. It means I just won’t go see it in theater or buy it on dvd or blu-ray. I’ll wait til it’s on tv/cable/satellite and watch it freely then. And then say “damn, I’m so glad I didn’t pay to watch that utter garbage”.

          Go ahead though. Think what you want. It’s people like you who are misinformed that keep perpetuating stereotypes and falsehoods. People like you sir are the reason the world is the way it is. Which is to say, becoming more ignorant by the minute. And going straight to hell in a handbag (as my friend always misstates). (The proper phrase is: going straight to hell in a hand basket)

        • sherboil

          oh calm down….I heard what you said.

          All I’m saying is ff what you say is true that people only pay for good and pirate bad…then look at the top 10 pirated movies TF puts up regularly.Are they only crap movies?.

        • Anonymous

          You see, now you change your tune. “I heard what you said.” No you didn’t. You said I don’t pay for anything. Implying that I pirate. So obviously, you didn’t get what I said. I’m perfectly calm. I just don’t like it when people try to misinterpret what I say. And they do that often, even when I’m very clear in what I say.

          Which you could learn from. Because “all I’m saying is…” is not the same as what you said. If that’s what you meant then you should say that. It shouldn’t be up to me decipher the hidden obscure meanings behind what you actually say. Which in no way resemble what you mean.

          As for the Top 10 Pirated Movies list. Psh. “Are they only crap movies?” That’s up for debate. And open to everyone’s opinion. Avatar was “amazing” to lots of people. I thought it was a complete waste of time and was glad I didn’t pay to see it. My friend paid for me. The last time I checked that list though, 9 movies on it I thought were boring/sucked and the 1 movie I did think might be good I was later told was mediocre at best. But you or others might feel the exact opposite. That list means nothing. It comes down to what each of us thinks personally.

          Think of it like this. If you go based on figures alone as to what defines something good, then by that (stupid) way of looking at things the greatest/best music in the world is anything that Miley Cyrus or Justin Beiber releases. Do you seriously think that either of those two produces the best music? And if you say yes… well, there’s no hope for you. I’d personally rather listen to Clutch than that crap.

        • Lulz

          I <3 electric_worry's words.

        • Anonymous

          Thanks. I’m glad someone appreciates/gets what I’m saying.

        • Needlez6

          I agree with you, not to beat a dead horse, but the movies that are coming out lately are either one: crap, two repeats of older movies (ex.TRON), three a sequal to a movie that either should’ve stopped creating movies (ex.SAW 7) . How ever I did pay for HP7 even though its a sequal, i just wanted to see how it compaired to the book. Saw red riding hood.. wish I had just pirated it instead. Didn’t pay to see adjustment bureau but prolly will recommend to my aunt and uncle to buy on DVD. see from that they made more money off me then you’d think, and I pirate alot of movies, just to determine whether or not its worth money to watch again with a date, or if its something family / friends would like that don’t have computers that would want to maybe buy.

        • Killagorillae

          how do you know he does not pay for them? huh, oh wait you dont, so be quiet.

        • storm

          errr yeah some of us do. thats your problem. You see a fence with 2 sides, but thats not how it is. I am both a pirate and consumer, of both games and films. I WILL NOT PAY FOR CRAP. I will download it..try it..fine.if i a film gets me excited i will go to the cinema to pay for the pleasure of watching it. If a dreary sequel appears though i would probably download itn first to avoid having my fingers burmned AGAIN, The money i have lost paying for crap on fanboy faith..

          My steam list is FULL of completely legal games I have paid for. ALL of which I pirated first….later when i had the money I brought all of those downloads that didn’t SUCK. And i brought them for a price that was fair..not the new release price of £40 which is well out of my wallet.

          Pirates and consumers are mostly the same people. I make no apologies for my actions..Adressing the topic as well. I HATE these companies because they are the biggestg comanies in the world right? And they supply our current “pop culture” etc. We definatley wait on them for entertainment. That is thier business it’s what they do. YET NO ONE OF THEM GIVES A SHI ABOUT ENTERTAINMENT. NOT ONE. They give a shit about pure money returns.

          Thats why we pay over the odds for everything, that why your favourite show might be cancelled next week no matter how many people write letters, it’s why no one except independent labels ever make a story with anything new in, it’s why prices are pushed up despite economic climate. It’s why when you do find something you like on tv..you cant enjoy it because it has been edited to maximise the amount of people NOT changing channel and instead watching the commercials..which is the only thing those tv companies want..that commercial time. It’s because they forced themselves into a corner..same with the game industry..they buy up all of thier competition. Then when they get topo big for thier own boots..they have to make “x” amount each year..they mass produce shite.

          and we are supposed to BUY BUY BUY.
          fuck that..sorry for my spelling/typing

        • N.C.C.

          I find what you say very interesting, however there is a dilemma with this kind of talk. “Hell no! I’m not gonna pay to see that stuff.” – You say, but you will gladly watch it for free.

          If I’m going to buy a burger, I’m going to buy a good burger. Which means no McDonalds. However, if I were given a bad burger for free, would I still eat it?

          This is the kind of logic we are facing. If you (and me) are going to stand up against MAFIAA and RIAA there are several things we need to understand.

          1) If we’re going to pirate/torrent movies and music, we must acknowledge them as either works of art, or not just tasteless MAFIAA/RIAA crap. This is key. Why would we go watch something or listen to something we deem “crap” for free if we think it’s crap? That makes no sense.

          2) We don’t have money. The productions of the RIAA/MAFIAA are at appalling peaks. A movie shouldn’t take $200 Million to create. This is where we have failed in our approach. Sure, I’d be glad to pay maybe five dollars at the door for Avatar, which… If I’m assuming that it made $2 BILLION in grosses at box office, and that it costed $10 per person… well, this means that approximately 2 Million people went and saw Avatar. Cut that cost in half, and you get 1 Billion (quite simple math). God forbid that avatar not get over $800 Million extra dollars. Hell, they could’ve sold tickets and 1 dollar and almost broke even! This is the ridiculousness of the MAFIAA with movies.

          3) Combine the two above. One, we have to realize that the movies we watch are not crap, because we are watching them. You obviously find something interesting about them, and that makes them somewhat attractive. Two, you have to realize that the cost is the reason you don’t buy/see the thing you want to. Finally combine the two, and you realize that the reason you’re calling the film/music/product crap is because you don’t have the money to see them, but you have to find an excuse to make your conscience at ease.

          There are three different pirates:

          a) the one in number three that acknowledges what he is doing may be wrong in some cases, but he feels right in what he is doing because cannot afford anything distributed by the MAFIAA.

          b) the pirate who makes excuses for himself, making himself feel better as a radical pirate, but doesn’t quite understand the concept of piracy. That the oppression of the MAFIAA and RIAA is one that can’t survive without the other enemy. It’s what I call in my own psychological terms a “tug-o-war situation.” Like tug of war, MAFIAA/RIAA is on one side, while the pirates are on the other. If the status quo changes, then the other topples because the infrastructure is falling apart. The ONLY way to fix our current situation is for each company to reconcile with each other in a civil manner, for us to agree to disagree, or to agree on cheaper alternatives and pricing of the product.

          c) the “Communist” pirate. The pirate that believes that all art and knowledge should be freely distributed, equally. The only problem is, as most of you have taken history classes I assume, Communism never works. One dictator or one supreme group rules the area. We are stuck in this group, almost permanently. In this point of view, either the Capitalist MAFIAA is all powerful, or the pirates communist “everything for free” is all ruling, in which the economy eventually collapses, or returns itself to the Capitalist MAFIAA. A vicious cycle in our economy.

          As you can see, as nice as it would be for everything to be free, it’s not. It’s dangerous that way, as the alternative for what we have now is even more scarier. If any of us want to succeed, we would need to bargain with MAFIAA/RIAA and express our concerns in a CIVIL manner. Not in DDOS attacks (although some of them they very well deserved!) but in a civil, human way.

        • Anonymous

          Well sir, I find what you say also interesting.

          I should probably clarify something. I don’t watch things for free in the way it may have sounded by my own words. I’m a HUGE HUGE HUGE fan of reading. I’ve been reading since about the time I was 3 years old. I would much rather spend my time reading than watching movies or television. And to be honest, I do. I spend every free moment I have (when at home) for the most part reading.

          The thing is, I need background noise. Music works, but the thing is I love metal and that kind of music. I have eclectic taste. But if I put on more soothing and chilled tunes I kinda get sleepy. And I can’t put on metal and similar things because it’s distracting. So what I do is turn on the tv and just put it on anything pretty much. Just for the background noise. I don’t even know what it is half the time. I get really into books. And the things my imagination produces in my head as I read is by far more amazing than anything that can be made by Hollywood.

          But I agree with all your points to be honest.

          If something’s worth it, I’ll pay to see it in any form. If something’s not appealing to me, honestly, I won’t watch it at all. It’s the way I’ve always been. There have been tons of movies that are popular or that people go on about and I have no clue what they’re talking about. When asked, I say “nope haven’t seen it, but have you read this great book” and they stare at me like I’m crazy. But to each their own I say.

          I kept saying “crap” earlier, and I do sorta mean it. But I won’t watch a bad movie anyway. If I do, it’s without even knowing really (like I stated just need the noise while I read). I mean sure, of course I’d take a free burger. A free bad one though? Heck no! A man has to have his standards/principles. : )

          I mean the best we could do is try and get the MPAA/RIAA to realize that we WANT TO PAY for good things. We’ll fork over cash like crazy. But meet us halfway. Distribute it online in multiple formats (so we can choose as per our needs which we want) and set prices at reasonable levels. I don’t want free. I think everyone should get something. The creators get paid for their work and the consumers get the quality products we want.

        • Dan

          And everyone knows you guys will keep moving the goalposts.

          “99 cents is still too much for this crap that I’m addicted to watching!”.

          Snore.

        • Ben Genaaid

          just a small comment to point out your error in the next frase:
          Quote: Communism never works End Quote.

          You actualy mean that your history class was somehow single sided one way view and not up to date. As you know there are multiple communist communities around the world that work excellent and fair to everyone, you mistake Quasi communism for real communism. Stalinism / leninism / Maoism (Dictatorschip)versus Marxism (community / people rule).

          Very tiny example: tribes in the amazone, bigger example several island states in the pacific,… the only problem with communism failing is because of GREED!! = Money = MAFIAA/RIAA

          hehe

        • N.C.C.

          No, for a fact Communism DOESN’T work. Only once has it actually succeeded.

          Look at North Korea.
          Look at Soviet Union.
          Look at Vietnam and Laos.

          China is the only sector to actually succeed in in Communism, but this is because it is more of a Communist-Capitalist state.

          People like to say Communism would work, but it doesn’t. Anybody see “Noodle Boy” on the news this past week? This is the kind of logic that current communist/socialist parties are using, a.k.a, dumbass logic.

        • Guest

          @N.C.C.

          You missed Ben’s point. Communism is a system of absolute Democracy where the people are the ones in charge. Now you tell me, were the people in charge of the Soviet Union? Are they in charge of North Korea? China? Vietnam? Laos?

          Of course Communism doesn’t work in any of those places – because none of them have a Communist system in place. You might as well add the USA to your list of failed “communist” states. Sure, that wouldn’t make sense, but nothing on your list makes sense. So what difference would it make?

          A government merely claiming it’s this or that does not make it so. You have to look at the actual reality of it.

        • http://ningunotro.blogsome.com Ningunotro

          Fine dutch pseudo ;)

          There are two things wrong with Communism, one thing they share with every other utopian ideology… the fact that being utopian it does not include mechanisms to deal with external aggression (and as people exist with logics that warrant aggression this is thus a no-go unless you can root them out completely), and the fact that leftism is a subset of humanitarianism… with a built-in conceptual error as to refit it for a specific purpose. Marx was a bourgeois and his kind had an enemy to beat: their landlord Tzar Nicholas. Their plan performed outstandingly, but overreached as it got out of control. Ask McCarthy why he knew damn good that viral infection had to be rooted out mercilessly, and repurpose facts of history with that aim in mind.

          Don’t ever let someone else do the thinking for ya!

        • node

          Actually, what you fail to see is that the only form of democracy is communism. This resonance of democracy in current capitalistic system is just mirror game with democracy concept. It’s a fact.

          Communism is the facto ‘communion rule’ ; ‘ commons rule’ .. rule of the people, by the people , for the people, of the community, for the community goals. It is the purest form of freedom for humans. In order to reach this political and cultural system we need to grow up. Individual material gain is primitive concept for primitive paranoid minds. Necessity by evolution. Survival instinct ‘one against all’.

          Pirate community is the first step in direction of trust and friendship among strangers. We all started to respect one another, we think different but we are one. Sharing media in this group is first victory in human history for word ‘share’ against word ‘mine’. We have gained so much wealth in this civilization, communism is becoming natural to many young people without prejudice. And we will get there some day, and sooner that day comes, sooner we will live in free society. We will not see this, but our grandchildren will.

        • N.C.C.

          The problem is, the way Communism ends up working is Totalitarianism. That’s the only way Communism has EVER worked.

          What YOU are describing is Anarchy. No laws, no government, just do what is right. Which is fine. But on a large scale, anarchy is impossible. Sure, it’d be nice if the word was an ideal communist way, but the problem is it’s just that. IDEALISM. This is the problem to what we have now, too many people are idealist and realists. I am a realists. The solution to the problem with the MAFIAA/RIAA is not to say everything should be free (what’s yours is mine), but rather to recognize that it takes work and effort to create, just lower the costs a bit, we can work things out, but we need to do it in a civil manner.

          The problem with your logic is the fact that I personally like the idea of owning materiel. This is mine. MY computer. I’m not going to give it to you. Why? Because I worked for it. Now I know this goes back to the basics of Marxism (I have studied Marxism) and the concept of Class Fetishes. Unless people have incentive to work, nothing is going to get done. Communism/Socialism/Anarchy only works in certain situations, like a small Community. The thing with Communism, is a “community” can only be so large.

          The idea of owning something is very close to me because I enjoy owning things. Why? Because I have the pride in knowing that I worked hard for my house, my computer, my clothes, and they are the payment for what I have worked for. This is the basics of Capitalism: You get what you worked for.

          Now, what we get into is the fairness of a purely Capitalist countries. I support Labor Unions and Fair Wages and certainly equality. China is in this area, as they are not a purely Communist country. They have money, and they can spend it on what they want.

          I’m tired of getting into Communism, this argument is pointless. A Communist America or a Socialist America would just plain not work. The matter of sharing, trust, and friendship should NOT be commanded by the Government, but rather by the integrity and ethics of the person.

        • N.C.C.

          The problem is, the way Communism ends up working is Totalitarianism. That’s the only way Communism has EVER worked.

          What YOU are describing is Anarchy. No laws, no government, just do what is right. Which is fine. But on a large scale, anarchy is impossible. Sure, it’d be nice if the word was an ideal communist way, but the problem is it’s just that. IDEALISM. This is the problem to what we have now, too many people are idealist and realists. I am a realists. The solution to the problem with the MAFIAA/RIAA is not to say everything should be free (what’s yours is mine), but rather to recognize that it takes work and effort to create, just lower the costs a bit, we can work things out, but we need to do it in a civil manner.

          The problem with your logic is the fact that I personally like the idea of owning materiel. This is mine. MY computer. I’m not going to give it to you. Why? Because I worked for it. Now I know this goes back to the basics of Marxism (I have studied Marxism) and the concept of Class Fetishes. Unless people have incentive to work, nothing is going to get done. Communism/Socialism/Anarchy only works in certain situations, like a small Community. The thing with Communism, is a “community” can only be so large.

          The idea of owning something is very close to me because I enjoy owning things. Why? Because I have the pride in knowing that I worked hard for my house, my computer, my clothes, and they are the payment for what I have worked for. This is the basics of Capitalism: You get what you worked for.

          Now, what we get into is the fairness of a purely Capitalist countries. I support Labor Unions and Fair Wages and certainly equality. China is in this area, as they are not a purely Communist country. They have money, and they can spend it on what they want.

          I’m tired of getting into Communism, this argument is pointless. A Communist America or a Socialist America would just plain not work. The matter of sharing, trust, and friendship should NOT be commanded by the Government, but rather by the integrity and ethics of the person.

        • node

          Your point about communism is valid. That’s the common misconception about some ‘idealistic idea’. Every idea have idealistic start. Idealistic to our cultural background, for future kids it will fit just fine. Problem you forgot to mention is irrational growth of material and artificial need creation in capitalism.

          Problem is this: we will soon get out of manual work. robots and machines will take over the manual part of our reality. Many people will be without capital gain, many will feel left out in not so far future. Capitalism will fail at that point, new methods will emerge for society to grow, call that system what you like, I call it communism, as I believe some sort of Marxist society will emerge as new valid method.

          Nobody said that you will not ‘posses’ things. In that system you will posses all you want and need. Machines will provide multiple copies of everything you may needed or will need. Therefor, copyright agenda will fail at point of ability of technology to provide easy and cheap way for multiplication of things.

          If we lose this fight, against copyright, we lose everything. Freedom, humanity, everything.

        • N.C.C.

          You also prove a very strong point about unemployment and the economy; it sounds like something out of a science fiction novel or movie, but things are slowly turning into robotics. Robotics will replace jobs, harming the economy in the process. We can only see where this process leads us. Countries go through cycles, empires fail and rise up. I think the United States could very easily go through one through the next 200 years or so. We could all end up killing ourselves (the reason I believe in nuclear containment and the disarmament of nuclear weapons). It’s scary to think that in that future, anybody will be able to have the power to kill everyone.

          I wish life were simpler, but it’s a crazy world we live in. Eventually the dam is going to break and we will have to repair it all over again. It’s a rough direction the world is headed in, and I fear another World War may be upon our shoulders relatively soon. I’m kind of pissed at this, considering this generation is going to have to pick up the lasts pieces.

        • N.C.C.

          Also… a Utopian society is a frightening one. I fear for it. The struggles is what makes life livable, if you will. Read Gary Paulson’s “The Giver” or Ray Bradbury’s “Fahrenheit 451.” This is the view of a Utopian society. It’s a very frightening though.

        • N.C.C.

          Damn, I’m on a roll.

          Ironically, robots will (I’m sure of this) not be able to “create” and have feelings.

          We humans, will have almost one outlet… Music. People don’t realize the importance of music. Music is one of the few things that we alone have the ability to create with emotion. Music is emotion in my opinion. ANYWAYS. I should stop. I’m headed off into all directions now. Which is not a good thing for me!

        • Prerok

          Idiotic comparisment. You know what? You actually pay for that bad burger, cause no one is going to let you “download” it first to “test” it. You gonna order, eat it and complain later. Next time you won’t return to that restaurant? lol, goes the same with the movies. You don’t have to return to the cinema to see a movie you didn’t like again. Except, you can’t download burgers and complain you’re not gonna pay for bad food, but you do download movies and complain later that they are so shitty, you wouldn’t pay for them anyway.
          There are a lot of great movies in theaters, but you won’t pay for them, cause they don’t interest you and because you have a download option.
          I would really like to see one day, that everyone really starts to boycott hollywood. Fantastic idea dear file share community. It’s a perfect solution. Don’t download Hollywood movies and, gues what, RIA, MPAA etc won’t sue you.
          Unless, of course, you’re actually full of crap yourself.
          Producers don’t let you download and want their copyright protected material to be, um, protected? On the other hand you guys don’t like that content, and yet you download it because…?
          What’s actually funny here, is the fact, that everyone thinks that by downloading they are preventing fat cats in Hollywood get their money. Morons. Those guys already got their money upfront. Tom Cruise banked his 20mil before the movie came to cinemas. It’s the little guys that have to make that money back, that you are stealing from. They have to work long hours for silly paychecks, cause piracy is making their lives miserable.

        • Anonymous

          You’re a moron. You see. I did NOT once mention anything about pirating. I just said, I will not pay to see a bad movie. And that’s it.

          I’ll gladly pay to see something I feel is good.

          So give me an exact quote where I went on and on about pirating anything? Oh, you can’t. Because I didn’t say that you say? Well dur, idiot!

          And you can get refunds if something isn’t up to par. You go to the theater, halfway in or whatever you realize the movie sucks, you can talk to management. Same with bad food. Part way in, it sucks. Taste nasty. Etc. You talk to management, tell them the situation. They’ll rectify it.

          Are you that stupidly against file sharing that you’ll make an argument out of what I DID NOT say? I’m thinking so. Psh. Don’t reply again. You fail at replying to what I DID say.

        • Prerok

          You defended burger industry with movie industry and failed in the eye of every sane person who’s not addicted to download.
          If your burger tastes funny (spoiled, not well done), then yeah, you’ll get a refund. Just like if the picture in theater is not alligned, washed out, no sound, bad subtitles, etc, you’ll get a refund from the theater.
          But you’ll NEVER get a refund for a burger from, ie, burger king, because their burger is not as good (in your oppinion) as it is in McDonald (or vice versa).
          So I hope YOU finally get what you tried to compare, wrongly.

          You like to pay for good stuff? Well, who doesn’t? Don’t you think I would like to have a car that has the exact performance as I though it will when I bought it. Guess what, rarely anything lives up to our expactations. I like to pay for a good music, good movie, good book, sure. Unfortunatelly, I had to pay for bad service many times as well.

          Out of curiousity, since movies can’t function on the principal of returning customers (each has different produced that would like to return his investment), we can’t apply that in the movie industry. However, we can in the restaurants, the comparision you love.
          Why don’t all restaurant function on the principal “you pay only if you liked the meal”? Because we know what the nature of men is and how that would turn out. See, it’s not the gree of industry, it’s the greed of everyone. Movie industry is not made of some special people that you don’t meet in the everyday world. If anything, it has more extremly inteligent and creative people than any other comparable industry. Of course there are idiots as well, but you have them everywhere.

          I don’t condone file sharing at all. I think it’s a fantastic way of distribution of content. However, who am I to violate wishes of the content owner? Are you saying you have more say than the owner? Would you write your book for years, give up everything, fall into mortgage, neglect your family, just to have it done and later see it pirated and being laughed at at the same time? See? It’s not about the quality at all, it’s about the work. If the book is great, word will spread and others will buy it. What you are suggesting is that the book itself should be shared.
          And all the file sharers will praise the author of the book, but that won’t fill his fridge.

          You want industry to meet you half way? You don’t want to pay $20 for two persons and want to watch movie on any platform? If that’s the case, I don’t think that movie rentals costs $10. Does it? How much would you pay? What is meeting you half way? Cause thera are services that deliver content online, you know? And it’s not even half way, it’s less, far less. And guess what, piracy is still thriving.

          People were saying, oh, I am pirating music because I don’t want to pay $20-$40 for the whole stupid album because only one song is good. Well, you can pay for only one song now and considering how much basicly every other product has gone up in the past ten years, one song costs almost nothing. And yet, piracy still spreads.

          So, where’s the true root of greed then? In the record companies? They are just trying to conduct a biz. You don’t like their product? Tell them so by not buying and not consuming their product.
          Everyone tries to justify downloading by comparing numbers. It’s so funny. I am in the biz and I know the numbers. Profits didn’t go up, they go down each year, just like tickets sold go down 5% each year. There’s one movie that made a lot of money? Fantastic, good for them. How about hundreds of fantastic movies that never made their money back. Who do you think financed those movies? Pirates?

          Don’t call people morons if you are debating an industry you obviously know nothing about.
          And if you really think you do and your ego right now won’t let you let this slide, tell me what’s the rental percentage distributor gets from the theaters for every ticket. How much the 3D glasses cost, what’s the print cost, markting cost, promotions cost, publicity cost, other materials cost,..? What’s the average net on the movie?
          You don’t know, that’s why you went into this debate in first place. Every movie costs a lot of money, even bad ones. Many had good scripts in the begining, but not everyone involved in the movie was great. It only takes one element going wrong and the movie falls apart. Go back to reading.

        • Anonymous

          I didn’t call industry people morons. I call people who try and twist my words around morons. I never mentioned piracy. You brought that up out of nowhere.

          And as for food, if you’d look, the original comment from I forget who was I’ll gladly buy a good burger/pay to see a good movie. I won’t pay for a burger I know is bad/pay to see a movie that’s crap.

          What’s that mean? Not the refund thing. Which I don’t know how you first got into. He’s saying he won’t pay for something that’s not worth it. As in, I know this burger will suck, I’m not going to buy it. I know this movie isn’t for me, why am I going to pay to go see crap. No one said refunds or anything. Just about paying for quality things.

          I don’t compare anything to restaurants. I was just trying to explain what the first guy meant to the first idiot who came around. You pay for good things. You won’t pay for bad. So stop focusing on restaurants and stuff. No one meant that. Or at least not what you’re getting at.

          You see, and you went off on books now. And are saying I said things that I didn’t. “That the book should be shared”. I never said that. The only thing I said about books, is I like to read. And I use tv for background noise while reading. I never said, let’s share books, movies, music, etc.

          Like you keep trying to bring up things I didn’t say. Or you miscontrue what I did say. You’re reading more into what I said than anyone else is.

          As for the halfway. I and others mean, release things online in places we’ll pay. Like iTunes. But not as lame. Movies and shows and music will be available in more formats. Not just avi/mp4/mp3. In higher qualities. To please everyone. And free of DRM, which is just an annoyance. And people will pay if things are like that. Some people prefer FLAC for music. Some prefer MKV for movies. Not everyone wants to watch things ONLY on Apple products (from iTunes). So give more choices is what we meant.

          Oh, you’re in the biz. Lol. Well that answers everything. Why you’re reading into things the way you are.

          F*ck it. Don’t respond to me again. You’ll just twist what I say anyway and ignore what I clearly do say to suit you. “I am in the biz”. Lol. You couldn’t say industry. Had to say biz. Funny stuff. Anyway, we’re done. Think/believe/do what you want. I don’t care.

          I meanwhile will pay to see good movies. And not pay to see crap. And I AM NOT SAYING I WILL PIRATE CRAPPY MOVIES. I am saying I’ll pay for quality things. And I’ll do without crappy ones.

          Go back to being a moron who ignores what people say. Cause none of us were discussing the things you are. You wanna rant, go stand on a corner or go tell your side of things to a newspaper or newsreporter who gives a flying f*ck.

          Also, why don’t you learn how to read. So you won’t go off on your rants about stuff I never said or implied. Some people.

        • Prerok

          Since I couldn’t reply to the last post, I’ll have to reply to this one.

          I am glad that you and others are willing to pay for good things, but everyone is, when there’s no alternative. In fact, people pay for crappy service and products they can’t download. The thing you are not willing to admit is the fact, that vast majority of people will not pay anything as long as there is free alternative.

          You know yourself there is cheap alternative on itunes, but people still pirate.

          Be honest, are you trying to say, that those that download mp3 in joint stereo 128kpbs are doing it because the legal download isn’t offering better quality? You know there is, it’s even drm free and not on itunes, but people still rather download inferior product. Why? Because it’s free.

          I would like to buy music in FLAC format as well. So, agreed. Itunes music is shitty, at least for my standards and I totally get eveyone that wants better. No DRM, yes, agreed. But why do you think they invented DRM in first place?

          So, it boggles my mind why services that offer high quality mp3 don’t attract people that only want mp3 quality. Must be in the fact, that you still have to pay for it, even it is in the range of cents, it’s obviously still too much. I guess those downloaders would at least need an additional blowjob from Katy Perry to buy her songs.

          If people want to influence the market, then they should reward those, that give them what they want and ignore product that they are not happy with. But that means not downloading it as well.

          And yet people download CAM versions? They can’t be compared to any legal alternative and yet they do it. This is where your logic collaps.

          If you are trying to defend the consumers by give us what we want logic, then first admit that most people want things for free, a month before they actually exist.
          (or is cam versions what they want? how much would they pay for those?)

          Going to the cinema is expensive? Sure, it is for many, I agree. Service is poor as well. There are many things that too expensive for me. But I balance the market by not buying it.

          Piracy has been around for a long time now. What has happened since p2p started? Have movies become better? Has music become better?
          Strangely somehow, even though the technology to produce either has become cheaper and far more sophisticated, there was no quality breakthrough.
          Neither big studios or users themselves produced anything better than what we’ve seen in 60-80s.

          Why? Because the human resources rather went to industries where they can make money. They went to wall street. They don’t spend days and nights in the garages, hoping one day all their efforts will be repaid one way or the another.
          I know few good musicians that rather do something else, because, as they say, there’s no money in the music and they have to pay the bills just like everyone else. They offered their product cheaply on the net, but everyone still rather downloads it for free. And they don’t make enough from playing concerts.
          I know there are people willing to pay something to the artists they love, but there aren’t enough of them. That’s the ugly truth you and others are not willing to admit.

          In the past decade through p2p we only raised a new generation of spoiled little crybabies that appreciate nothing and want everything for free. On the other hand, these fools reward the industry’s lowest standard products. So how the industry responded? They served those that go to cinema and buy tickets.
          If there are not enough people buying tickets for quality movies, then they won’t make those any more.

        • Glenndoe

          I have well over 100 movies that I purchased on DVD. If I like it I will buy it. Half the stuff I download is garbage and I’m glad I didn’t buy. I am a big movie fan. If I do like the movie, I’m not saying I will buy it for sure, but when I do go out to purchase a DVD at least I will know if it was crap or not. Yes, I download more than I buy, but at least I do buy. So don’t tell me it’s b.s. Do you want me to make you a list of all the movies I think are worth buying? I bet none of them would take you to court over infringement because they put out a quality film that people like and will go purchase.

          Put out a quality movie, if its our taste of film, we will be more likely to buy.
          Put out a quality burger, if its our taste of burger, we will be more likely to buy.

          Listen to electric_worry

        • Killagorillae

          then you can eat the shitty burger, meanwhile everyone else will eat well.

        • Jeremymayer37

          nom nom nom …shitty burghers…….nom nom nom…..

    • Evil

      Sarcasm is good, but not all the blog readers would understand it.

      • Haxor

        I too can write 15 paragraphs about almost large words that mean somehting too.
        I will go on and on and on and on. YOU will get bored and hten just skip over it cause i have no idea how to say somehting in a short concise way either.

        I also have no fucking god damn idea what the fuck i am talkign about i just am rambling on further and you will see i am right cause ill just keep writing these huge long paragraphs till you get tired.

        That’s right i’m gonna keep on going and going and your not right i am.
        See how this tactic works yet folks ?
        —————————-
        NOW to debunk everything he said from the IQ of 160.
        When i see a govt that supports anyhting more then 10 year copyrights that just promotes laziness , greed mass lawsuits and further destabilization of the world economy.

        This same govt sent out ten thousand cops and attacked and beat up its populace included a man with one leg whom they beat up and dragged around like a trophy.

        When they have 4 govt mps whom get charged with election fraud. YA see how the anger is starting to build the fuck up yet?

        AND i’m not even close, they are doing this to see how far WE western people will go before we greece or egypt them too. WHY else do US police need tanks for?
        Yes i live in canada….OH WAIT our leader renamed it the govt of HARPER after himself. After my grand father fought in two world wars and north korea holding a certain hill.

        NOT to mention every dollar you steal form the public domain and me i cant buy the other things in society thus the economy really does suffer.

        ECONOMIC TERRORISTS IS WHAT THESE ASSHOLES REALLY ARE.

    • Marcus

      “If they couldn’t download my movie they would for sure buy the quality movie that we in hollywood always put out. ” and we could probably double the price. /greedy sneer

  • Tttttt

    lol

  • Arb

    Sad thing that is not always the case. Cause there only has been hand full of movies every 6 months that is decent and rest is crap.

  • Arb

    Sad thing that is not always the case. Cause there only has been hand full of movies every 6 months that is decent and rest is crap.

    • Masamune12003

      In the UK at least we have had quite a few come out in the past month.

      The Kings Speech – Never Let me Go (Creepy as all fuck) – True Grit – West Is West.

      All pretty good films, all have flaws and holes but overall pretty sweet.

      I will pay for this sort of thing, usually at the cinema but sometimes on DVD.

      I think there are quite a few people like me, depending on where I am and what I’m doing depends on whether I pirate a film or not, if I’m at home at 3am I will pirate a film, if I’m out with friends I will go to the cinema, or buy the DVD.

      • Dan

        If you’re not willing to pay for it, you shouldn’t watch it. Or listen to it.

        What’s it like going through life trying to convince people you’re not a scumbag?

  • http://www.thraeryn.com Thraeryn

    The issue is not with the creators of the content. Almost to the last man, those people are happy to have their work seen by the public. They already got paid SOMEthing, usually, by their production/distribution companies and will only get more money if word gets out. Those are NOT the people that filesharers are vilifying.

    It’s the production & distribution companies and their lobbyists who have shelled out to make the media & cover the costs, and who start getting riled up if they don’t see an immediate return on their investment. It’s the grouchiness and worry of these investors that spurs so much of the familiar, proven, horrible, uninspiring dreck that saturates the market. The people who paid before will pay again, and the people who wouldn’t watch/listen to the stuff the first time weren’t going to buy it a second time around anyway.

    They’ve distilled the “those who don’t pay wouldn’t pay regardless” formula into a perfect excuse to release and promote utter crap. When they take a chance and pay for something thought-provoking and novel, yeah, they get damned pissed that they aren’t getting their cash back RIGHT NOW.

    The creators, though, are mostly happy to have their hard work appreciated, and the public DO appreciate them. As always, it’s the goddamned lawyers.

    • Momo

      Completely in agreement with you. I even posted a comment making a similar argument vv

    • Haxor

      30 billion record year
      what are they not getting

      • Prerok

        You are not geting there is no record. Domestic gross is the same, profits fell by half. What came in GBO from int’l is not seen in higher rentals, cause theaters take larger share of the ticket than in US.
        On the other hand, costs went up.

    • Haxor

      30 billion record year
      what are they not getting

  • jack.ss

    Comment? I can’t do that as I just took my medication.

    BRB when it wears off

  • jack.ss

    Comment? I can’t do that as I just took my medication.

    BRB when it wears off

  • Dave

    What is this? This isnt news

    • Violated

      It is an opportunity to highlight if people have valid grudges against copyright or if it is more a case of venting steam against faceless organizations and free stuff.

      I would describe myself as being anti-copyright for the past 14 years and I have in a very physical way helped over 100,000 people achieve what they desire and what is often legal for them but what copyright enforcement and protection restricts.

      I also rarely make my voice heard in politics when believe me when I say the voice of the individual, consumers and pirates can easily be overlooked and ignored.

      Laws count, be active.

      • Haxor

        you mean like every human on earth that dont work or suck the dic of the mpaa ceo?

        • Violated

          No by that statement I do not mean file sharing but copy protection systems.

      • Haxor

        you mean like every human on earth that dont work or suck the dic of the mpaa ceo?

  • GM

    “The hand that feeds” is inaccurate in this situation. In my opinion, the world would be better off without the corporatist profit-driven Hollywood. The vast majority of copywronged media is trashy gutter-art designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator, and are rarely sophisticated or intellectually challenging. So they may be the major suppliers of the filth that is being copies regularly, but we’d be better off without their high-polish garbage.

  • GM

    “The hand that feeds” is inaccurate in this situation. In my opinion, the world would be better off without the corporatist profit-driven Hollywood. The vast majority of copywronged media is trashy gutter-art designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator, and are rarely sophisticated or intellectually challenging. So they may be the major suppliers of the filth that is being copies regularly, but we’d be better off without their high-polish garbage.

    • Dan

      Yet you just can’t stop downloading it and consuming it.

      The 1709 article was right. You’re all obvious hypocrites.

  • radioman

    as far as can i see, each year more crap is getting out ;}

  • NotAnon

    The article from 1709 is a new type of journalism that Ive been seeing more and more of. This new style is to take some vitriol from the comment section of someone else’s blog, and atribute the opinion to the writers of the blog, not the trolls that wrote the comment. For example I saw a piece on CNN where they went to 4chan and started taking people seriously. Overwhelmingly the target of these “news” posts are people who are unfamiliar with the workings of the internet, and rely on the shock value of 14 year olds posting the first thing that poped into their heads to further their own political agenda.

  • nowheres

    WOW! this is flamebait.
    Have to keep in mind people are getting fucked by the fatcats at corporations who are using this “We are in a recession” to lower the employee wage and add it to their own.

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/2011/02/16/news/economy/middle_class/chart_rise_of_super_rich.top.gif

  • Ive

    “The hand that feeds”

    Aren’t the people who go to the cinema and buy dvds/blu-rays the “hand that feeds”? Those are customers and filesharers are potential customers.

    Why do I have to wait a year until tv shows aired in the US get aired here? Why do they have to be dumped into the local language?

    Instead of offering me a good, painless service at a reasonable price they just want to make me wait and buy it at a horrendous price range. Fuck them, torrenting is faster, more convenient and cheaper.

    • Violated

      Programming is often converted into the local language due to political desire and cultural protection.

      In other words they fear the English language will take over and render their language obsolete.

      Most services would go with subtitles but like the Germans are very strict on dubbing. In some dubbing cases though the original audio can still be found on a secondary audio carrier.

      They could do their subtitles quicker by paying those who make subtitles on the Internet.

      • Haxor

        can i ask you why you’d even say somehting then say in other words
        just get to in other words and get on with it this bandwidth ain’t free eh?

        fucking spammer

        • Anonymous

          I only wonder if you took drugs before writing that one.

          So you object to me writing one extra sentence due to the extra bandwidth required. Do you get your Internet by smoke signals or something? Then I am a spammer for being nice and answering Ive’s question.

          Well my text may not be ultra compact but being more prolific makes for a nice read.

        • Guest

          Yea, same here. Wondering what kind of drugs he took.

        • Anonymous

          I only wonder if you took drugs before writing that one.

          So you object to me writing one extra sentence due to the extra bandwidth required. Do you get your Internet by smoke signals or something? Then I am a spammer for being nice and answering Ive’s question.

          Well my text may not be ultra compact but being more prolific makes for a nice read.

      • Haxor

        can i ask you why you’d even say somehting then say in other words
        just get to in other words and get on with it this bandwidth ain’t free eh?

        fucking spammer

      • http://twitter.com/cannesorbust Michael Leahy

        The choice of subtitling or dubbing is historical, rather than political. As places like France, Germany and Italy traditionally dubbed, they continue to dub. They both have their own cinema industries, so there are plenty of experienced voice artists to play the roles. Smaller countries, or ones like Belgium or Switzerland with several national languages, tend to sub-title.

  • trickyrick

    Rob8urcakes: please comment on this so we can get some recursive news infinity doom spiral action

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      Actually I’ve tried to do that many times now, even doing yoga to make me supple enough. But whatever efforts I make and methods I employ, I simply cannot disappear up my own a**hole.

      It’s a physical impossibility (for me anyway), but I often see the MAFIAA trolls managing to do it regularly and I stand in awe that they’re able to declare such massive, record-breaking profits whilst claiming their businesses are suffering from HUGE losses caused by filesharing for no cash, no profit and no gain.

      You can always tell who they are trickrick, because their head smells of their own shit.

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      Actually I’ve tried to do that many times now, even doing yoga to make me supple enough. But whatever efforts I make and methods I employ, I simply cannot disappear up my own a**hole.

      It’s a physical impossibility (for me anyway), but I often see the MAFIAA trolls managing to do it regularly and I stand in awe that they’re able to declare such massive, record-breaking profits whilst claiming their businesses are suffering from HUGE losses caused by filesharing for no cash, no profit and no gain.

      You can always tell who they are trickrick, because their head smells of their own shit.

  • Momo

    This cannot be stressed enough: file-sharing is competing with distributors, not the artists. The artists, as long as they are making relevant art, will always have a place in the world. The same cannot be said of the distributors, whose business has been supplanted by the internet.

    In their struggle to remain in control of the distribution channels between the artists and their audience, the labels and studios represented by the RIAA and MPAA are ruining lives, censoring the internet and corrupting democracy.

    “Copyright” is simply the set of laws being used by those people to do what they do, and it’s by no means the only way for artists to reach their fans and make money – as many “digital native” artists are showing over and over. The expansion of copyright over the last decades is proof of how those companies operate. In fact, it’s clear they are spending more time putting up barriers for competition than investing in better art.

    Making sure those greedy companies (that are either failing or refusing to adapt to a changing market) disappear is simply what needs to be done. It’s not a silly crusade of some silly ‘pirates’, it’s the free market setting things straight.

    • Anonymous

      Although I’m all for sharing, and mostly agree with you, I do wonder…

      If the distributors moved to a low-cost, net-centric, digital distribution model people would stop pirating?

      That seems like a rather unlikely scenario to me.

      • Momo

        They should have done that ten years ago. Napster showed the technology was possible then, and instead of following its lead they sued it to hell.

        Now, things like Spotify and even Netflix show that they still have the chance to try things like that, but all they do is try to destroy those innovative companies. They charge insane licensing fees and apply stupid timing windows to make it harder for those innovators to get content (and don’t forget that 80% of copyrights are held by the RIAA labels and MPAA studios, so it’s a serious oligopoly).

        Even Apple (with all its money and Steve Jobs on Disney’s board of execs) had to do some serious arm-twisting to be allowed to sell content on iTunes.

        Illegal file-sharing is the only distribution channel they’ve been having trouble controlling.

        But like I said, the problem is they are *refusing* to adapt, and they are doing everything they can to stop competing distribution channels from taking off.

        • Anonymous

          I know they are refusing, and yes they should have done it ten years ago, but my interest is in whether if they did change their model and adapt would people change and actually use that model?

          If not, then I see no reason for them to even try a new model. So, I guess it’s kind of up to use to demonstrate to them that it’s worth their effort, else things will simply continue as they are.

        • Glib

          Netflix works, and it’s pretty low quality and ghetto TBH. If they charged 4x as much for good quality content (streamed) the day it came out, I’d have that subscription in a HEARTBEAT.

        • Momo

          The thing is, it’s not a choice!!! The market chooses what they want, and they want digital distribution, period. If the old world distributors don’t want to provide that, that’s perfectly fine and their own problem.

          But, the way the system is set up, new distributors who do want to compete using new technologies and business models are severely disadvantaged – not least because of extremely long copyright terms that give the incumbents a near-monopoly on content!

          In my opinion, if copyright is set to a reasonable length (e.g. 15 – 30 years), new competitors will be able to get a foot through the door. Unfortunately, the old distributors are the ones with the coffers of money and the lobbyists, so getting heard by the politicians is proving to be an uphill battle.

        • Anonymous

          Hey, I’m not disagreeing with you at all. As I said at the start, I’m all for sharing and mostly agree with you.

          I’m just wondering whether things would actually change if the distribution model was changed. Sadly, I don’t actually think it will, regardless of all the talk of the distribution method and companies being the main problem or issue.

          The “copyright is too long” argument is kind of moot when it comes to new content though, which let’s face it is the bulk of file downloads. Even 15 years would cover almost everything I see out there (not all, but definitely most). Shortening copyright still wouldn’t really give new distributors much of a chance.

          And just to avoid misunderstanding, I do think that copyright term should be much shorter than it is. I’d probably go for seven or fourteen years given the choice. That seems a fair length of time for protection and a decent chance to ‘exploit’ an idea.

          It seems to me that what’s really needed to get things to change is more ‘independent’ content, stuff which isn’t controlled or owned by the majors and multinationals, regardless of length of copyright.

        • Momo

          Please, don’t misread my highlighting – I just do it to get my point across better, not to be aggressive.

          I think copyright length is key in many ways. If we realize that old content competes with new content for attention, that old content serves as an armory of potential lawsuits, and that a vast back catalog equals to hundreds of millions in yearly income (which are used for lobbying), it makes sense that fixing copyright length will deal an important blow to the copyright cartel.

          There’s a lot that needs to be done, but imo fixing length is the most obvious. Another possibility would be to sue the *AAs on anti-trust/price-fixing grounds to let startups license their catalogs – that still implies keeping a possibly unnecessary middleman, but is probably easier given the sort of politicians we have.

        • Borderliner

          Why shouldn’t they? The main reason why piracy is so popular is convenience – in no time, without leaving your apartment/house… hell, you don’t even have to get dressed to look somewhat human by the time the deliveryboy rings the bell… you get the item you want. Sure, getting it for free is nice, but it doesn’t beat convenience. Now, if you could get the item slightly faster (no need to spend time on finding working links or waiting after crippled speeds from other P2Pers/cyberlockers), with verified quality (not wasting your time on copies made recorded in the cinema or whose comments fail to mention that there are hardcoded subtitles in a language you don’t speak) and knowledge that you support the artist who made it (rather than the packager in the DVD factory of your local shop which sees nothing wrong in asking unreasonable prices), then why wouldn’t you pay for it the price is decent?

        • http://twitter.com/NoTownKasper Anon Kasper

          Because media is nothing more than information and information wants to be free.

        • DocGerbil100

          I’m all in favour of file-sharing and I’m really not trying to be mean or anything, but I’ve been hearing that daft phrase “information wants to be free” for over twenty years now and as far as I can tell, it’s just a pretentious nonsense-phrase pirates sometimes like to use instead of thought. Sorry, dude. :/

        • http://twitter.com/pabz2k pabz2k

          If information wanted to be free, we would have the cure for all cancers by now. Nice try.

        • http://twitter.com/pabz2k pabz2k

          If information wanted to be free, we would have the cure for all cancers by now. Nice try.

        • Anonymous

          “information wants to be free”

          Trite, meaningless, bullshit.

        • http://twitter.com/cannesorbust Michael Leahy

          I’d be curious to see what the information content of “Avatar” is? ;-)

        • DocGerbil100

          I think that – for all intents and purposes – we already have many working examples of those alternative business models. Momo’s mentioned many services already – he or she is quite right that the only reason they’re not more successful – and able to deliver better content – is that the US gatekeepers have been doing their damnedest to undermine them as much as they can.

          Even before people had even heard of internet piracy, here in the UK, the BSkyB satellite TV network (mostly-owned (I believe) by News International, which mostly-owns lots of things, including 20th Century Fox), was pulling the exact same kind of dirty tricks to force unwanted competitors off the air without upsetting the UK’s trade regulatory bodies. The anti-piracy witch-hunt is ultimately just the latest set of dirty tricks designed to rid of competition, so they can charge the public an unfair price for monopolised services.

          This isn’t the way it should be.

          When it comes to delivery systems, consider iTunes (and other forms of legal download). In this day and age, it’s inconceivable that the people who buy from those services are unaware that they can get the same material for free somewhere else. They buy because it’s convenient for them, they buy because they want their digital goods to be legal, they buy because they want to support their content creators.

          While it doesn’t guarantee that other given ventures will necessarily be as successful (especially at iTunes prices), if all you want is a proof of basic viability for voluntary payment systems, you surely need look no further than that.

      • http://twitter.com/cannesorbust Michael Leahy

        It’s clear the movie industry was sleep-walking. They should have started on digital distribution ten years ago when it was clear which way the music industry was going (downhill).

        But one thing many people don’t realise is the sheer number of people and companies needed to get a movie into the commercial circuit. It’s not one producer or one director that decides to put a couple of million of his own money into a project. There is a chain of financiers, producers, studios (sometimes), agents, sale agents, distributors and theatre chains. Some of these chip in with an advance, giving them a vested interesting in the way the project is distributed. Sales agents, notably, have been reluctant to grant online licences as these services don’t pay advances and generate pennies rather than pounds, dollars or euros. Physical distributors were also reluctant saying, “Why are we advancing good money for a September release when the film is going online in May? Who will wait that long?”

        Obviously, the state of play is changing fast. So these questions are rapidly becoming obsolete. But that is why things are thewya they are for the moment. They will change, but only slowly as an actual business model appears online.

  • matty

    The MPAA, RIAA, labels, studios, and distribution companies are not (and never were) the content creators, and they are no longer necessary as the content providers. That’s why the “hand that feeds” argument doesn’t work – it’s an obsolete model, and people are reacting to that by shrugging it off. Most creators are happy to see the wide proliferation of their creation afforded by current communications technology – sure, it’s not as easy anymore to get a record deal and get an advance and call yourself a rock star, but there will always be new models. I don’t violently hate the “fatcats” in question – I’m just not interested in helping them save their obsolete business model just so that they can keep their jobs. It’s like continuing to buy and use exclusively VHS tapes from a local VHS tape store just so that the guy who owns the store can stay in business (instead of encouraging him to start selling Blu Ray discs, or Netflix-ready Roku devices, or get into a new line of work because people don’t use physical media anymore).

    • Oh Yeah

      “Most creators are happy to see the wide proliferation of their creation afforded by current communications technology”

      Got any proven, reliable sources for that statement?

      • Unyuu~~

        Indie movie makers use Bittorrent to spread the work for a reason.

        • Anonymous

          Got any links to show that “Most creators are happy to see the wide proliferation of their creation afforded by current communications technology”, rather than just saying “some indie movie makers” without providing any evidence?

        • Nemo

          Obvious misinformed flaming is obvious. Sure, “most creators” is vague, but if you had been paying any attention to the articles posted in this blog you would’ve very easily found plenty of creators speaking for the free distribution of their works. If you weren’t around then look through the archives or STFU.

        • Anonymous

          Flaming? You have no idea!

          That aside, I read an awful lot of TF and other copyright- and sharing-related stuff, just like you and many others. I’d like to think that I’m at least reasonably informed on both sides of the debate.

          I’m all for sharing, don’t get me wrong, but I don’t think that posting unsubstantiated comments like “most creators are happy to see the wide proliferation of their creation afforded by current communications technology” is either useful or helpful without some solid evidence to back it up. Without that it just becomes an empty and unprovable soundbite, with little or no meaning or relevance.

        • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

          Well if you ask any knowledgeable content creator who’s also kept themselves up-to-date with the recently changing events, they’ll likely tell you (or at least come to realise) that their biggest enemy isn’t filesharing, the MAFIAA or even the ‘real’ pirates who try to make cash from their work – but it’s anonymity.

        • Anonymous

          Off the top of my head I can think of at least two content creators who have no problem with this kind of thing.

          Flashbulb (a musician). And the guy behind Minecraft. Both have no problem with distributing their content exclusively online and I believe both have had articles either on this site or others where they discuss “piracy” and say it’s had a better effect on their content and on how much they make. As in more people buy after pirating and checking out what they have.

        • Anonymous

          Off the top of my head I can think of at least two content creators who have no problem with this kind of thing.

          Flashbulb (a musician). And the guy behind Minecraft. Both have no problem with distributing their content exclusively online and I believe both have had articles either on this site or others where they discuss “piracy” and say it’s had a better effect on their content and on how much they make. As in more people buy after pirating and checking out what they have.

        • Anonymous

          Got any links to show that “Most creators are happy to see the wide proliferation of their creation afforded by current communications technology”, rather than just saying “some indie movie makers” without providing any evidence?

        • sherboil

          The “reason” being nobody would even notice their movies otherwise.

        • Boilyerhead

          No, the reason being that the older established channels of distribution and delivery are controlled by the MAFIAA cartels.

      • matty

        to Oh Yeah and everyone else w/ similar comments – you’re right, that was an unsubstantiated comment. But I do think you can poke around the public record and find a seemingly overwhelming sentiment towards being fine w/ filesharing from artists and creators. As for myself, I’m in a band that sells music internationally on the internet, and at shows and in stores in the US, etc., and just about all of my friends are artists and media creators of one type or another. I don’t know a single person in that group who is anything other than psyched about the prospects of digital media and its spreadability/copy-ability. It’d be tough for me to imagine being angry at someone for wanting to check out what I’ve created, and the concept of needing to buy it to do that is tough to justify or qualify anymore since there’s no physical product necessarily being made. If someone downloads a torrent of my albums and then never listens to it, did I lose anything? What if they listen to it twice? 20 times? I think if you ask most artists who create something digital, you’ll find that they feel the same.

        • Semihere

          As a recording artist I agree completely.

          Money doesn’t drive artists. Artists are compelled to create whether they are paid or not. Why else are there so many millions of amateur musicians, painters, sculptors, dancers, writers, poets?

          The business side of ‘the business’ has more profoundly stifled artistic and creative development and expression than it has promoted it. It’s purpose has only ever been to monetise, and the easiest way to monetise is to resell an established idea as many times as possible (hence the reason so many similar sounding bands are signed at any one time) as opposed to an eclectic mix of an artist roster.

          For every bland MOR act like Coldplay, there’s thousands of oddballs doing their own thing who are genuinely loved by their fans. For every MAFIAA album I’ve bought, I’ve paid 10 indie artists direct for their CD at a gig or download from their site. I prefer this model because I know I’m supporting the artist, not just helping them pay back their debt to an exploitative ‘major’.

          Love to the pirates – they’re keeping music alive, despite the best efforts of the MAFIAA.

        • Semihere

          As a recording artist I agree completely.

          Money doesn’t drive artists. Artists are compelled to create whether they are paid or not. Why else are there so many millions of amateur musicians, painters, sculptors, dancers, writers, poets?

          The business side of ‘the business’ has more profoundly stifled artistic and creative development and expression than it has promoted it. It’s purpose has only ever been to monetise, and the easiest way to monetise is to resell an established idea as many times as possible (hence the reason so many similar sounding bands are signed at any one time) as opposed to an eclectic mix of an artist roster.

          For every bland MOR act like Coldplay, there’s thousands of oddballs doing their own thing who are genuinely loved by their fans. For every MAFIAA album I’ve bought, I’ve paid 10 indie artists direct for their CD at a gig or download from their site. I prefer this model because I know I’m supporting the artist, not just helping them pay back their debt to an exploitative ‘major’.

          Love to the pirates – they’re keeping music alive, despite the best efforts of the MAFIAA.

      • Haxor

        pioneer one is another example

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      Awfully well put matty, thank you for putting it so succinctly too. (I’m on my knees worshipping you now, teehee).

      What we’re all experiencing is an unfair monopoly recognising its own demise is near and it’s dying flailing of arms and erroneous protests of theft is symptomatic of a demented sufferer of Alzheimer’s Disease who can only recall the ‘good old days’ but is incapable of adapting to modern changes in technology and business.

      I of course ask we feel no sympathy for them as they attack us directly and viciously, but simply to pat them on the head and hug them until they eventually pass away and leave in peace to get on with OUR life. Their life is going, going …. nearly gone.

  • Anonymous

    Are the files that are downloaded even being used?? During the Napster days, I knew people who had hundred or possibly even thousands of entire albums downloaded. They listened to maybe a half of one percent of their entire collection. Do pirates actually listen to, watch, or use everything they download? Or is it just burned to CD/DVD and tossed somewhere and forgotten about? I think in some cases, things are downloaded just because it can be… that feeling of ‘sticking it to THE MAN. or something similar.

    • Reader

      I don’t know about others, but I generally try to download something at any given time my computer is turned on, if I don’t, I feel like I’m not getting my money’s worth for my expensive internet connection.

      I still have downloads from almost 9 years ago… I really should get around to checking them out, hell, some of them are probably at a reasonable price to buy now, If I enjoy them.

    • Reader

      I don’t know about others, but I generally try to download something at any given time my computer is turned on, if I don’t, I feel like I’m not getting my money’s worth for my expensive internet connection.

      I still have downloads from almost 9 years ago… I really should get around to checking them out, hell, some of them are probably at a reasonable price to buy now, If I enjoy them.

    • Borderliner

      As far as I can tell the “average” pirate nowadays (with all the easily usable P2P clients and even easier cyberlockers or even easier than that streaming sites) isn’t really the “collector” type and makes (more or less) full use of the downloaded content.
      There certainly are those who download for the sake of downloading or simply because it’s free (“one can never have enough free stuff”), but with piracy going mainstream the general mentality of pirates ought to be somewhat different compared to the age of Napster.

      • matty

        I disagree, although I guess I don’t have any data for you. I’d guess that a large majority of pirated media gets checked out once and then left on a drive. In the case of a movie, that means a rental didn’t happen, but in the case of music, it’s kind of the same as someone hearing a song on the radio or in his/her friend’s car or something. I buy a fair amount of music per month, mostly on iTunes or Amazon (probably 1-ish album per week), but I also download lots and lots of albums illegally – most of them just to check out. It’s just as easy to search mediafire or download a torrent as it is to find a single track to check out, and I think probably a lot of people think that way.

        • helphowigethere

          Don’t worry matty, he didn’t provide data either. Only an empirically verifiable “as far as I can tell…” statement powered by his ego, which obviously makes it fact.

  • http://twitter.com/WarerGT JP

    we, the consumers, feed them

  • hatedisqus

    Congrats Rob8urcakes on your sudden rise to celebritydom. Are we allowed to quote you in future posts or must we seek out the necessary copyright’s now you’ve crossed to the darkside?

    lmao

    • jack.ss

      Youbetternot… This is from yesterday on another post :D

      Rob8urcakes 1 day ago

      You have been caught viewing cakes online without permission of the baker!!!

      Please send $10,000 over the next 5 years or a one-off payment of $500 to settle the matter in full right now.
      Nothing more will be said so long as you do no more drooling over your computer.

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      lol, yes it’s true you do!!! Mwuhahahahahahahh. Send me a half dozen cakes (with no teeth-marks please) every week, and you do with me whatever you so desire ;)

      Seriously tho’, what crossed my mind was whether or not that 1709 blog breached TorrentFreak’s Creative Commons’ stipulation (see very bottom of each page) that all our posts, quotes etc should be attributed to TorrentFreak. Hmmmm, I wonder Andy/enigmax – fancy taking them to Court for infringement?
      MWWUUUUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH :)

  • Anonymous

    Anger found online?
    It’s more likely than you think.
    U MAD? Yes I am!

    MAFIAA has lost;
    Artists fine on their own now.
    Still, that’s not the point.

    One-Seven-Oh-Nine
    Are probably trolling us.
    Let’s not feed the trolls.

  • Just Wondering

    Quick question for you all:

    If the distributors moved to a low-cost, net-centric, digital distribution model would people stop pirating and start buying?

    Would *you* do it?

    • Anon

      Fuck *you*

      • Anonymous

        Nice, reasoned reply there. Why not try to improve your communication skills before you finish school?

        • Anon

          apparently I’m impotent with psychotic rage, so…… FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

        • Pyschosex

          That’s too bad. Psychotic rage gets me up. FFFFFUUUUCCCCKKKK MMMMEEEE!!!!

    • Unyuu~~

      People that couldn’t afford it before, can’t afford it now, generally speaking.
      People that could afford it, but didn’t want to pay, won’t change (not necessarily the worst position).
      People that could afford it, didn’t want to pay and charged for sharing, won’t change either but should get bitchslapped.
      People that could afford it, would probably buy more.

      Any more questions? (I’m part of the first group, mind you)

      • Anonymous

        Nope. I just wondered, and thought it was a reasonable question given all the “we hate the distributors and fat cats making money” statements that are bandied around.

        I’m actually genuinely interested in whether if the model changed whether people’s attitudes and actions would also change.

        I’m in the first group too, not that I actually download much at all, maybe a couple of things each year (no time to watch stuff really).

        • Anomolous

          I think it may be too late now though. I think the MAFIAA groups have entrenched people so staunchly against them that there’s a chance people might never pay them again, just out of spite. After all, the customer is the hand that feeds and it’s the MAFIAA who are the ones who’ve been doing the biting for a very very long time.

          Even now if I watch a purchased DVD I have to sit through several minutes of copyright warnings and anti-piracy crap just to get to the main menu. “I bought the f**king movie and you talk to me like I’ve done something wrong!!!!!!” If I pirated the same movie I wouldn’t have to take that boll*cks, so once again ‘legal’ copies are inferior. That’s not a way to treat the hand that feeds.

        • Anomolous

          I think it may be too late now though. I think the MAFIAA groups have entrenched people so staunchly against them that there’s a chance people might never pay them again, just out of spite. After all, the customer is the hand that feeds and it’s the MAFIAA who are the ones who’ve been doing the biting for a very very long time.

          Even now if I watch a purchased DVD I have to sit through several minutes of copyright warnings and anti-piracy crap just to get to the main menu. “I bought the f**king movie and you talk to me like I’ve done something wrong!!!!!!” If I pirated the same movie I wouldn’t have to take that boll*cks, so once again ‘legal’ copies are inferior. That’s not a way to treat the hand that feeds.

    • Anonymous

      I don’t listen to mainstream music, and I could care less about Hollywood’s latest CGI-animated adaptation of an old cartoon.
      I’m angry because idiots that have no idea what they’re doing (Google “Doug Morris clueless” if you have any doubt of that) are bribing equally idiotic politicians into writing laws that are gradually turning the US into a police state, in a vain attempt to increase the profits of their obsolete business model.

      It’s like we’re in the final scene in WarGames, with WOPR playing tic-tac-toe against itself. Except that it’s been playing tic-tac-toe for over ten years, and it still thinks that it’d win if it just played a little bit harder. At some point, you’d rather it just launched the nukes and got it over with.

    • Haxor

      think about gog.com
      it has no drm and will and is making money some can pirate but your gonna make more money then doing this stupid idiot try and sue every thing that moves and imprison everyone

  • Mike

    The author of this article is a moron. The reason for the vitriol against hollywood is simply because RIAA and MPAA are SUING PEOPLE. Because file sharers have been hauled into court and levied with ridiculous and grossly out of reason fines. That is why they are hated.

    • Haxor

      and they would never a found out about it had prices been more in line with the real cost of things. had cdrs dropped to 5$ you’d have had a bitch of time back 11 years ago to migrate anyone to p2p, but they wanted 30$

  • 1neb

    Red.

  • Lothor The Evil

    Lmao! I remember that comment by Rob8urcakes. Don’t remember which article. Hey where has he been lately?

    • DocGerbil100

      Rob8urcakes has come over all uncharacteristically speechless, I think. He Liked this thread four hours ago, according to his profile. Perhaps he’s a little embarassed at his sudden and unexpected celebrity. Perhaps he’s incensed at having his words misused. He might even be busy leaving comments on the original article.

      (I’m not visiting the article myself to find out, for two reasons: (a) the article sounds like another obvious-troll-piece designed to drive up their flagging traffic and; (b) my trust in their site not raiding all my browser’s cookies for info on which sites I’ve visited goes about as far as I could comfortably spit out a rat.)

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      I’d love to say I got my pubes caught in the keyboard again, but that’s just as untrue as the MAFIAA saying that every person who shares for no cash, no profit and no gain a digital copy of ‘their property’ is a thieving little shit.

      On this occasion I prefer to read first what TF readers say as I’d already said “my piece” I guess.

      But if you wish another notable quote or two …
      “The truth will set you free”.
      or,
      “Profit is not the disease of the greedy, simply a symptom of the system that permits it to occur.”

  • gorehound

    MAFIAA = GREED
    that is what pisses me off.
    they have ripped off us consumers and their artists.
    and no i do not support the mafiaa artists.

    • sherboil

      What you don’t have a brain?.If you don’t think it’s worth it then don’t buy it.simple.

      • http://billy.wenge-murphy.com/ Billy Wenge-Murphy

        Thanks for solving this issue once and for all. Only you could have distilled this complex situation into a simple answer such as that. We’re eternally in your debt

        • sherboil

          You’re welcome.

        • http://twitter.com/NoTownKasper Anon Kasper

          Understanding fail…

        • Anonymous

          Sarcasm detector fail…

        • Nomnomynous

          Ditto…

        • Nomnomynous

          Ditto…

      • Jon7272

        thats right on the money sherboil we dont buy it we download it lol

  • Anon

    It’s rage, but the rage is well justified. We all know a download does not necessarily mean a loss in sales. In fact some studies have shown that pirates are in fact these companies’ major customers. These studies found that pirate buy a lot more than normal customers, where a normal customer may only buy say upto 5 movies or games a year, a downloader even though they download lots may in fact buy 15 or more per year.

    Also if the publishers were not increasing the prices for lower quality items you can only assume you will lose sales anyway.

  • Foff

    The reason people hate the RIAA and the MPAA and hollywood is because they have had the luxury of not having to compete in the free market. Copyright laws create an artificial market. Now the the internet has evened the odds they squeal like stuck pigs.

    If they would quit trying to insinuate that half the world are criminals and compete in the real world instead of hiding behind outdated laws they would have more sympathy. If I could, for example download a movie like for $1 like I can rent one at redbox they would get some of my money. Why don’t the tree huggers say something wouldn’t it be better to download a movie then to drive somewhere to get one and waste gas and pollute?

    This world is f”ed up and full of hypocritical righteousness. It is all about greed and money. I will download until hell freezes over no hollywood org is going to put a stupid guilt trip on me.

    • sherboil

      “Copyright laws create an artificial market.”

      Yes they do, and it is the only reason that makes a $100m blockbuster worth the trouble of making.

      So unless you’re going to make your own and distribute them for free..stop whining.

    • sherboil

      “Copyright laws create an artificial market.”

      Yes they do, and it is the only reason that makes a $100m blockbuster worth the trouble of making.

      So unless you’re going to make your own and distribute them for free..stop whining.

      • Glib

        $100m blockbuster: 1,000 people making ~$25,000 and 2-3 people making as much as all of them put together (each). Maybe a movie doesn’t have to make $100 million if the studios didn’t prop up the Tom Cruises to somehow be better actors than most people out there and be worthy of these idiotic wages. You eliminate the gross advertising, then ideally, a movie is measured on it’s merit instead of who is in it (which really should make no difference, there’s no shortage of quality actors / actresses). Even distribution, where all can compete without needing anything more than a good story and a vision.

        Blair witch: $60,000 budget, profit well over $30 million
        (a better example of a really independent film)
        Primer: $40,000 budget, profit ~$500,000

        Blair Witch profited from advertisement and made more money than it probably would have; the distribution did well for them. Primer (IMO) was crippled by the old content distribution, and made far less because it really didn’t have a chance to get known. I own Primer, I do not own Blair Witch.

        • http://twitter.com/cannesorbust Michael Leahy

          There are literally hundreds of thousands of movies on the web we will never hear about. If I was an actor on a percentage of profits, I’d rather work with someone that is putting money into promotion.

      • Glib

        $100m blockbuster: 1,000 people making ~$25,000 and 2-3 people making as much as all of them put together (each). Maybe a movie doesn’t have to make $100 million if the studios didn’t prop up the Tom Cruises to somehow be better actors than most people out there and be worthy of these idiotic wages. You eliminate the gross advertising, then ideally, a movie is measured on it’s merit instead of who is in it (which really should make no difference, there’s no shortage of quality actors / actresses). Even distribution, where all can compete without needing anything more than a good story and a vision.

        Blair witch: $60,000 budget, profit well over $30 million
        (a better example of a really independent film)
        Primer: $40,000 budget, profit ~$500,000

        Blair Witch profited from advertisement and made more money than it probably would have; the distribution did well for them. Primer (IMO) was crippled by the old content distribution, and made far less because it really didn’t have a chance to get known. I own Primer, I do not own Blair Witch.

      • Violated

        A main part of that production cost are the movie stars.

        In the UK we have our royalty and actors are just another job. In the US the actors are your royalty.

        Then you end up with freak movies like the expendables.

        Keeping a real monarchy would cost you less. And dont worry only a figurehead with very little political power.

      • Boil This!

        “So unless you’re going to make your own and distribute them for free..stop whining.”

        Already do and already do, so no I think I’ll carry on whining thanks, shill.

      • Itsalion Getinthecar

        So your argument revolves around “let then eat cake”? Hey, I mean guys, el dictator and pals set it up this way so play chill, okay? I mean, what are you going to do, have a revolution?

    • sherboil

      “Copyright laws create an artificial market.”

      Yes they do, and it is the only reason that makes a $100m blockbuster worth the trouble of making.

      So unless you’re going to make your own and distribute them for free..stop whining.

  • Trustme

    Lol, “Impotent”.

  • http://billy.wenge-murphy.com/ Billy Wenge-Murphy

    You seem to forget that there was a world long before you got here, and it was full of wonderful things. The industry – and its restrictive, jealous, selfish laws it’s forced through congress through lobbying – was built around people’s proclivity for playing music. Music was here first, THEN it was monetized later.

    The RIAA doesn’t supply us with music, people do. There was music before the RIAA. There will be music after it. You couldn’t stop people from playing and creating if you TRIED. Destroy the music industry as we know it, and music will continue forever. Smashing them to the ground would only make music better, more artistic, more liberated.

    If I could kill the music industry with file-sharing I would torrent all day long.

    • Glib

      Slightly untrue: RIAA “DOES” provide us with music, the most profitable kind (Beiber, Gaga, Britney Spears, etc). Random corporate songwriter makes songs that appeal to 12-18 year olds, they go through the beat generator guy, then they pick someone that fits their criteria (regardless of whether they can sing) and put it all together in a glorious corporate show and rake in the cash. Oh, the RIAA DOES provide music, it’s just poop, and is unfairly giving low-quality music an advantage over people with soul and vision who are producing music today, on their own, making far less than they would without the RIAA.

      • andrew

        There’s way better music out there than Beiber and Gaga, that’s just the music that the record companies promote the most. And much of that good music is put out by RIAA members too! Ditto movies, there are plenty of good movies out there most of which are put out by MPAA members. Of course there are bad movies and good movies, that’s why there is cr*p like “Justin Beiber 3D” and “Saw 7″ but go to a decent movie rental place, there are lots of good movies too. In any case, if all music and movies were bad, you probably wouldn’t be torrenting them either.

  • Anonymous

    lol, the FFFFFFUUUUUU dude is an EPIC win of Epic proportions lol.

    http://www.total-privacy.ie.tc

    • We Hate Spam

      Cheapskate spammey spam spammer again. Won’t even spend money to advertise his business by taking some space from TF.

  • http://twitter.com/ezee ezee

    Excuse me a minute while I move the millions of dollars that I should have since I didnt pay for all that music, movies, tvshows and games that I saved on.

    Damn, I can’t find it… strange…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XPXE5ZD3POBCKVGQ2F6OHAH6PE ka0s

    HAHAHAH, MPAA. Have you not seen your own income last year? http://torrentfreak.com/evil-pirates-movie-industry-tops-30-billion-box-office-record-110224/ ….. 30 billion? Shit, if every download is a lost sale wtf magic number are we looking for? How about infinite money, since nothing seems to be good enough.

    Seriously though, when is enough enough? I know all businesses strive to make more profit one quarter than the next ultimately, but how can you spout off all this BS of lost jobs, lost money to the artists, lost, lost, lost…. when in fact for the business its a GAIN, shhhhh… just keep up this lobbying we now have more money this year to invest in infecting the government with our bullshit!

    • Anon

      It has nothing to do with lost sales, you never bought the “right” to view the content, thus you shouldn’t be allowed to watch it.

      • DocGerbil100

        The MAFIAA aren’t suing people over lost rights, they’re suing people over lost income, with the claim that one pirate copy = one lost sale. They have also blatantly and publicly bribed our politicians, coerced our government into passing bad laws and wasted our police resources on raids and court appearances for numerous intimidatory “fraud” cases that get immediately thrown out, all on the same basis. That’s the sort of thing that gets people angry.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XPXE5ZD3POBCKVGQ2F6OHAH6PE ka0s

    HAHAHAH, MPAA. Have you not seen your own income last year? http://torrentfreak.com/evil-pirates-movie-industry-tops-30-billion-box-office-record-110224/ ….. 30 billion? Shit, if every download is a lost sale wtf magic number are we looking for? How about infinite money, since nothing seems to be good enough.

    Seriously though, when is enough enough? I know all businesses strive to make more profit one quarter than the next ultimately, but how can you spout off all this BS of lost jobs, lost money to the artists, lost, lost, lost…. when in fact for the business its a GAIN, shhhhh… just keep up this lobbying we now have more money this year to invest in infecting the government with our bullshit!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W2I3ULHWIQWRYFCDHUNPZVQU7I Lucian

    The copyright industry is not good because of 90 years of copyright time .For example ,Microsoft profit in win 95 is BILLIONS ,but until this day nobody can have the source code. All movies in 60,70,80 and 90s gains hundreds of millions ,And never goes to public domain.

    The copyright industry should give back the stolen money.
    Copyright must be reduced to 10 years.

    Copyright is very abusive too.For example lots of copyright owners uses the law for political reasons.

  • http://twitter.com/K1rkpad Dylan Kirkpatrick

    I never thought that my comments on

    • Violated

      What I once did once appeared on both the front page and an inside two page spread of a local regional newspaper.

      Well being the market’s largest supplier tends to get you noticed by many which is not always a good thing. It left me quite annoyed in fact.

      • sherboil

        can you elaborate on which papers?.

        • Violated

          Sure that happened to be The Sunday Mercury back in 2001.

          Some journalist misused my hardware for an unlawful application.

          The exact hardware he used I had only started selling shortly before and 6 sales was a very minor market.

          I was quite annoyed when beyond this unlawful use, which my company did not support, then this news story was nothing more than one long advert on how readers can do the same including a photo showing the needed websites.

          Telling people how to commit an unlawful act and pointing them to my website is not a good thing. Bloody journalists!

          You could say sales increased after that and helped to land me in trouble with the copyright protection organizations namely FACT.

          They had the same idea and soon found out how very wrong they were.

        • http://twitter.com/Th3_5p3ctr3 Anonymous

          troll’d…

        • Violated

          All very true in fact but since proving it would reveal to all who I am then neither your thanks nor belief are required.

  • http://twitter.com/enkiv2 John Ohno

    This is ridiculous. The RIAA and MPAA don’t create media; they are middle-men. Even casual pirates and non-pirates know this. Readers of newsmagazines have known this ever since NIN and Radiohead ditched their respective labels.

    The conflation of artists with “artist rights” groups is a tactic that hasn’t worked on people who don’t even have internet access since 2007. Why bother trying to sell TorrentFreak readers on it? The arguments of minor and major artists who have managed to escape the label system are in general agreement: prior to the ubiquity of internet access the label system and the existence of rights groups were a necessary evil, wherein one contracted with Mephistopheles in the form of a label and sold ones rights (and 90% to 95% of one’s profits) in exchange for syndicate-funded publicity, but now that such media can be actively distributed through unrestricted non-broadcast public infrastructure the structure of artist-rights groups (and their tactics, designed to deal with corporations manufacturing bootleg LPs and taking 100% profit where they take only 95%) has become maladaptive.

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      So what you’re saying is that the profiteering middlemen who for decades plundered the struggling artistes of their work and promised them fame & fortune in return for picking off new items of booty from their artistry is a form of piracy practised by the very same “content industry” who derides and viciously attacks innocent people for sharing a song for free as being pirates?

      OK, I get it now. Thanks for putting it so clearly.

      • Cake Eater

        No, fuckwit, that’s not what he said.

        Read it again, and try to understand this time.

        Do you actually read the comments, or do you just spout your meaningless bullshit and trite phrases, twisting words to suit yourself regardless of the original posters’ intentions?

        • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

          My meaningless bs is neither trite nor twisted – it’s merely meaningless to a demented, crazed animal baring its teeth to the same people who feed you and your kids – get some grip on reality you stupid, poisoned assweipe.

          Next!

        • Cake Eater

          Yes it is.

          And I am not, as you appear to be implying, a member of the media or copyright industries. Just someone who reads both sides’ arguments and who tries to see through the bullshit and intentionally-inflammatory statements made by each.

          Do you seriously expect to change anything, or get anyone to enter into a proper dialogue with you, the way you spout your rubbish? Calling people crooks and wishing them painful deaths really isn’t going to get you very far.

          Take some clues from Doc G and Violated. They can at least have a reasoned discussion without resorting to calling anyone who disagrees with them a troll, or spouting trite and meaningless nonsense like ‘caring is sharing’ or ‘case closed’.

        • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

          Expecting people you call a fuckwit aint going to encourage what you call “a proper dialogue”.
          Just fuck off out my face, you waste of space :<

        • Y U Mad

          Y u mad? Truth hurts?

        • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

          And what truth would that be?
          The lies and statistics from the MAFIAA and their imaginary “lost profits”? Is that your truth?

        • Y U Mad

          lol no!

          i meant being told the truth about your comments

        • Y U Mad

          lol no!

          i meant being told the truth about your comments

        • Y U Mad

          lol no!

          i meant being told the truth about your comments

        • Y U Mad

          lol no!

          i meant being told the truth about your comments

        • Y U Mad

          lol no!

          i meant being told the truth about your comments

        • Y U Mad

          lol no!

          i meant being told the truth about your comments

        • DocGerbil100

          Oi! Don’t drag my name into this, you clownfucker! Regardless of Rob’s sometimes-provocative remarks, if you’d replied to one of my comments the way you replied to him, I’d have responded “obvious, lazy troll is obvious and lazy” and left you to it. Which, indeed, is all you’ll get from me here. Goodbye. :/

  • Violated

    I can name a few problems.

    Copyright being sold in such a way to encourage regional monopolies and to stifle real competition. In this artificial market competition does not decrease prices but increases prices. Major competition becomes a battle to the death when each artificial copyright/country zone can only support one monopoly.

    An example? Sky once beat BSB and later Sky Digital beat and killed OnDigital/ITV Digital. And now PGTips have their monkey.

    The end truth is NO SERVICE can EVER compete against Sky Digital and win. They won the UK monopoly early on and will use their huge financial resources to keep it. They even need a regulator to ensure they dont rip us off.

    The only successful rival service was FreeView which recognised the dangers of competition and ensured a free service would never go there. Their success has now lead to a repeat in terms of FreeSat.

    Then to top it off Hollywood has insisted for years that satellite subscription cards are not allowed to be sold to viewers outside of the monopoly zone in direct violation of the EU’s objective of free movement of goods and services. That may now change following a recent European court ruling.

    The root problem is copyright is sold to the highest bidder with exclusive broadcast rights.

    The solution is to sell at a fixed price to anyone who wants it with no exclusive rights.

    They dont because they believe the current model makes them more profit. Who needs real competition to drive down the price?

  • Momo

    OI, TORRENTFREAK!!

    Can you please change your DISQUS settings so comments can be nested deeper?!

    Thanks.

  • Dyn1432

    “Impotent With Rage, Psychotic File-Sharers Bite The Hand That Feeds Them”

    After years of being fed cow manure and horse crap, I wouldn’t blame them for raging against the hand the feeds them.

  • Robertking82881

    starwars movies are selling just fine

  • NerfHerder

    More Indie Cinema. Indies will rise over Hollywood and I believe they’re scared of losing grip of “standards”. Oh My Lord just stick me where it matters.

  • reedit

    Poor old movie industry, with 1% of movies of decent quality they have the nerve to sue (almost) innocent people. SDSD

    http://www.getaseedbox.com/

    • We Hate Spam

      Take your advertising spam elsewhere

    • Spamanot

      Bloody Vikings!

  • Kjbv

    Psychotic File-Sharers Bite The Hand That Feeds Them

    Who used to feed these psychotic mafiaas?

    • Jay

      You know, that’s a really good point. The movie studios should be swayed by the people: their audience. NOT the other way around. The studios work for US.

      • Violated

        All they care about in the end is profit and where this profit comes from popularity.

        Sequels are the ultimate proof of this by tapping into the original success.

        This leads to artistic crimes like the broadcasting butcher job they did with FireFly.

        Maybe you cant tell them how to spend their money but you can hope they see more than the bottom line on the balance sheet.

  • Jibba

    I bought your movies on VHS. I bought the same movies a second time on DVD. I think I’m gonna download the bluray versions for free, thanks.

    • Anonymous

      I bought their vinyl for free. I bought some of that on CD too (obviously not all of it as there was too much and it wasn’t all available anyway).

      Why couldn’t I return the old vinyl and just pay the duplication cost of the CD? After all, I already had a licence to the content, didn’t I?

      If they come up with a new format then I’ll be downloading it.

  • Zero

    Understandably people are angry, more & more Rubbish is being released these days, not original films that people enjoy.. dare i say theres even stuff which i myself would not waste the time to download.Even for free.

    Hollywoods Business plan is unfair and when profits go down (because they are producing rubbish quality) they blaim File sharers.Even though Last Year was Record busting profits despite piracy, we can thank 3D for that & the fact that movie theaters are charging 2-3 Times the price of a normal ticket for this Novelty privilege.

    The industry must change, Most of us file shares accept that if a film is truly worth watching then we should go to the cinema or buy the highest quality format available. But why is hollywood trying to Demonize the Majority, just because they disagree with their failing Business plan

    also on a side note how can you expect X$ from a crappy movie
    and also expect X$ for a fantastic movie.

    it doesnt make sense so people either feel ripped off, or they compensate and see the good movie alot of times or buy the dvd,blueray aswell.

  • Jay

    I’m a passive file sharer. I don’t get mad at the MPAA or anyone else that wants to defend their intellectual property. I just don’t see a way for them to do it without infringing on civil rights.

    It seems to me that Hollywood are some very old-time, traditional people. Introducing Hollywood to 3D was a challenge, not because 3D cant make them money, but because there’s a history in Hollywood that sticks to traditional, time-honored methods.

    Likewise, the digital age is completely passing them by. The best deterrent for file sharing is the availability of movies digitally. Netflix, of which I am a member, has a shitty selection. I checked Netflix for a movie last week and they only had it as a DVD, and not a digital “Watch Instantly” title. So I simply went to bittorrent, downloaded it in about 10 minutes, watched it, then deleted it. No need to wait for the DVD to get sent to my house.

    Heck, some DVD’s you can’t even buy anymore and only exist online!

    I guess if I’m outraged at all (I use that term mildly/ loosely), it’s that Hollywood is being left in the 20th century as the rest of the world gets more and more proficient at moving the 1′s and 0′s.

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      That was soooooo well said I’ve now clicked to ‘follow’ you on disqus – hope you don’t mind my friend :)
      Thank you.

      • I’m not made of cake

        “hope you don’t mind my friend”

        Sharing is caring…

      • Jay

        Thanks! I didn’t know following was even an option. Kinda cool!

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      That was soooooo well said I’ve now clicked to ‘follow’ you on disqus – hope you don’t mind my friend :)
      Thank you.

  • Neotoasty

    Can you blame them anymore? I don’t think I can, personally. Year after year, the movie and record industries have gone to extreme lengths to protect their precious copyrights. When all they had to do was change their business, but they’re too old and stubborn to do that. So, they toy with their consumers with all these scare and brainwashing tactics.

    Then they go and get all of these anti-piracy bodies in their pocket, the authorities, and some politicians. They’ve even gotten ICE, Homeland Security and the U.S Government involved now. They’ve influenced other companies to crack down even harder, and make them screw around with their followers. They throw all of the money that once belonged to hard-working people so they could try and win handfuls of court cases, as well as lawsuits. They don’t realize that their actions aren’t just affecting the country that started within it, it’s slowly getting everywhere and it’s a huge mess.

    All of this, just so they could protect a dead horse business model. It doesn’t ever cease to make me in utter disbelief.

    Stepping up from VHS to DVD was a good move, but with Blu-Ray? It’s too corporate friendly. I’m still buying movies used no matter what format, because it’s cheaper, saves me money, and I’m just satisfied with that.

    Nothing can ever convince me for one minute that two corporations, making billions upon billions of dollars every year, are losing sales.

  • Jt7654321

    i pirate what i think i wont enjoy,
    i go to cinema to see what i think i will enjoy

    anything i enjoy – i buy

  • RAS

    “not worth paying for”? That’s your excuse for stealing? It’s no excuse. We’ve gotten used to taking songs and videos for free, but that doesn’t make it legal and that doesn’t make it right. Continuing with the burger example, it is my personal opinion that White Castle burgers are “not worth paying for.” But that doesn’t mean that I can steal their burgers and eat them for free. It would be petty larceny, whether I believed they were worth their selling price or not. (The fact that I would consume them at all suggests that I do put some value on them, which makes them “worth paying for” anyway–if you consume it, you should be paying for it, or at least renting it).

    There are ways to get material for free. Remember libraries? Some charge a marginal fee for DVD rentals, but if you’re going to spend the time to watch something it’s probably worth $.50-1 to you. And if you’re going to watch it a number of times, I’d say it’s worth the $10-30 dollars you’ll pay for it at Best Buy or Amazon.

    We don’t steal because movies “aren’t worth paying for.” We do it because we like the consumer surplus we receive by paying nothing for something, and we use a number of different disingenuous rationales to justify the piracy to ourselves. If the material isn’t good, don’t pay for it. But if you don’t pay for it or borrow it, you shouldn’t be consuming (and keeping) it.

    That said, the copyright owners may not have gone about protecting their property in the most fair ways possible. In part, I believe this is partially due to the nature of the internet and the fact that probably every person below 35 probably has “pirated” material on their computers or iPods that they got somehow, whether it was copying friends’ or library CDs or downloading it from Torrent or other sources. So the RIAA’s and MPAA’s lawyers seek to make scapegoats out of some infringers, and they use disparities of bargaining power to do it. It sucks to be those scapegoats. But part of me can’t blame them for trying to protect their property, no matter whether they’re “evil” and are still making profits.

    • Ggg

      you can not steal somethign without taking it away from its rightful owner.
      copying comething does not take anything away from the owner, those copying is _not_ stealing.

    • Guest

      “That’s your excuse for stealing?”

      What’s your excuse for lying? Like Ggg pointed out, filesharing isn’t stealing considering how it doesn’t cause anything to be stolen. So what justification do you have to come here and claim that duplicating a file is theft?

      Your White Castle analogy makes no sense because you’re stealing their burgers. If it was like filesharing, then you’d be magically making copies of their burgers and nothing would ever be stolen from White Castle.

      And “remember libraries”? It doesn’t seem you do, so let me explain what they are. Libraries are places where you can rent music and movies. For free. And watch them at home. For free. As in, without paying a cent to the rights-holders. Which makes libraries different than piracy how?

      We don’t steal movies because, unless some of use shoplift DVDs off of store shelves as a hobby, we don’t steal movies. We non-destructively copy them.

      You say copyright holders are protecting their property, but they aren’t. It ISN’T their property. Art is the property of its artist, it doesn’t matter a damn bit if some contract says the art now belongs to a bunch of blood-sucking, free-loading middlemen. It doesn’t and never will.

      Not that it really matters whose property it is considering we don’t take it away from anybody, anyway. Again, what’s your excuse for lying that we do? You gonna plead ignorance? Or try to bullshit your way out? Or more likely just run way?

      • Ahoy

        Sorry dude but if you’re going to get personal against an argument you need to check your facts. Libraries are NOT like piracy – they pay a fee be it in licensing or royalties or whatever for the DVDs, CDs, books etc that they stock. So rightsholders ARE getting paid for the content there. So it’s very different from piracy.

        Not siding with RAS mind you. Just don’t get all Keyboard Warrior with an argument that doesn’t hold water

        • Ahoyhoy

          Yes, they buy one copy and then let everybody have access to it. In the case of piracy (most of it anyway, apart from releases coming from within the ‘industry’) one copy is bought and everybody has access to it. So the analogy is half way to being true (closer to piracy than the ‘theft’ arguments bandied about).

          Don’t forget that at the dawn of public libraries, the copyright holding book publisher cartel railed against such an idea claiming that they’d never sell another book. So libraries do have some bearing in the ongoing cries of woe from the MAFIAA types.

        • Anonymous

          “Yes, they buy one copy and then let everybody have access to it”

          Which is also quite legal when it comes to other media, as long as you lend (or give) the original and not a copy.

        • Ahoyhoy

          Unless it’s a kindle book. You’re allowed to ‘share’ those with friends now and the only way to do that with a digital device is to copy it from one to another. Semantics I know, but it’s still a copy whether one copy exists or two. ;)

          But I’m splitting hairs. The fact is, the copyrightards basically have a tantrum every time something threatens their monopoly as a recent article here on TF pointed out http://torrentfreak.com/nothing-new-under-the-copyright-eclipsed-sun-110218/

          Libraries had their vilification, just as file sharing is currently enjoying the spittle dripping from the copyrightards vitriolic bile spewing rants against the future.

        • Ahoyhoy

          Unless it’s a kindle book. You’re allowed to ‘share’ those with friends now and the only way to do that with a digital device is to copy it from one to another. Semantics I know, but it’s still a copy whether one copy exists or two. ;)

          But I’m splitting hairs. The fact is, the copyrightards basically have a tantrum every time something threatens their monopoly as a recent article here on TF pointed out http://torrentfreak.com/nothing-new-under-the-copyright-eclipsed-sun-110218/

          Libraries had their vilification, just as file sharing is currently enjoying the spittle dripping from the copyrightards vitriolic bile spewing rants against the future.

        • AhoyohA

          Speaking of Kindle, let’s not forget that these middlemen are getting more power hungry all the time… since they also have the ability to forcefully remove any kindle books from your kindle shelf without your notice.

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      You’re quite right that the MAFIAA and their deluded hypocrites wrongly view mere filesharers who “… use a number of different disingenuous rationales to justify the piracy …” do so because they, like the artists you thieving parasitic asswipes plunder, have decided we’ve had enough of your economic bullying and unnecessary profiteering.

      You promote slavery Sir. The artists are slaves to your needs, and the so-called “consumer” (as nothing is actually consumed you deluded fuckwit) are slaves to your wants. The revolution has arrived and the MAFIAA are being deposed.

      You had your chance to change with us, but you chose to fight us instead. Bye bye and may y’all R.I.P.

  • FuzzyDuck

    I am sure someone else must already have made this or a similar comment.

    It seems to me that we are the hand that feeds the entertainment industry (studies show pirates spend more money on entertainment than non-pirates), so if anybody is biting the hand that feeds them it’s the MPAA and RIAA.

    • Anonymous

      All about control and protecting their monopoly income.

      I find it hard to believe that governments still believe that Hollywood production cant exist on real competition and allows them to maintain their monopoly in a very privileged position.

      Most viewers wont understand but they have no real choice beyond means of reception and bundled packages. The price is simply a cross between what the service provider wants and what the regulator allows. They ask higher fees by adding more stations even if many have zero recordable viewers.

      The situation is quite dismal. You can begin to wonder if it is good for them as well what with so many stars needing rehab. Yes increase subscription cost so those in Hollywood can buy yet more homes, cars and hooker parties.

  • FuzzyDuck

    I am sure someone else must already have made this or a similar comment.

    It seems to me that we are the hand that feeds the entertainment industry (studies show pirates spend more money on entertainment than non-pirates), so if anybody is biting the hand that feeds them it’s the MPAA and RIAA.

  • wanderer

    Emerging Free Culture needs resources and informational support.
    Guess where 99.9% of all this stuff goes? It is being sucked into media industry! Money and attention that people are willing to give are being stolen by publishers, marketeers and hypocritical businessmen who call themselves “artists”, “writers” and “singers”.
    So yeah! Lets bite that hand hard and start support our future: Free Culture!

    If you want to spend money, consider donating to someone who respects progress and ones audience.

  • AnarchyNow

    There was no music/movie “industry” 200 years ago, we don’t need those mass-murdering parasites.

    • Anonymous

      Thee were no motion-picture cameras or sound-recording devices 200 years ago, so obviously there was no industry based on these things.

      • Violated

        We did have music sheets back then and they got copied as well.

  • Hideyoshif

    Rick Falkvinge is right. You cannot have privacy and freedom and enforce copyright. As long as Hollywood is making record profits, they should be happy. Michael Moore had the right idea, too… he says he doesn’t mind if you copy his stuff and get his message out, as long as you DON’T PROFIT FROM HIS WORK. That sure sounds fair…

    We need to take this to the next level. Get dotp2p working, rebuild freenet and TOR, and create a world where they just can’t find us or prove anything. The studios, just like they did with the printing press, the VCR, the mp3 player, will adapt to the internet distribution of content. Artists will still make money. Exceptional ones will make lots of it. Distributors, who are basically the real parasites, will always land on their feet and find some other way to rip people off and make fortunes. They always do.

    Van Gogh, Mozart and others didn’t have copyright laws that made them incredibly wealthy… but art was not hampered by that lack.

  • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

    What bugs me most about the MAFIAA middlemen parasites is the indignant stuttering of shameless whining and complaining as their profits increase while we merely share files for free – at no charge.

    But they’re too wrapped up in their cosy World of bullying, profiteering and protectionism to realise the true damage they do to the advancement of human development and knowledge. We have reached this point despite their continuing selfish and stultifying acts of greed. It’s time to start anew, and break their shackles.

    We think, therefore we share.

    (btw guys I’m sorry for the delay in responding, but if you do a page search (Ctrl+F I think) for Rob8, you’ll see the half dozen or so responses I made below to you and some of the copywrong trolls. Thanks.)

    • DocGerbil100

      Hi, Rob! I’m glad you decided to comment on the thread. Congratulations on officially becoming one of TF’s comment-section celebrities – it’s well deserved. :D

    • Prerok

      What profits increase? What are you talking about? I am in the industry and the profits are going down every year. This is becoming a zero sum industry, except for the few chosen ones.
      Oh, you mean grosses? lol, yeah, but at what cost? How much did the advertising go up? How much did the 3D cost go up? Do you even know how much of the ticket theaters take? In Europe that goes to 60%. On 3D movies they just take euro or two from the top for the glasses. etc.
      Talk about things you know.
      Greed is everywhere, you will not be able to avoid it. Communism has been tried, didn’t work. Belive me, I was in one. If the movie industry has to be shut down, then let it fail for commercial reasons, not from illegal competition. Had the audience reward good movies, hwood would react as in any other industry. But piracy is skewing that perception and this is why shitty movies will be in the future as well.

  • http://twitter.com/raynevandunem raynevandunem

    I actually somewhat agree with the assertions of the article, at least from the perspective of someone who endorses comprehensive, liberalizing reform (or, failing that, hacking) of IP law.

    Those above me who are more concerned with seeing a feature-length film or other media work that is actually worth paying for are probably not the target of this article (or they might be, I dunno). The fact that they are more concerned with the quality of the film as being equivalent to the monetary worth of the film is what distances me from the vitriol being thrown about.

    Instead, I’m more concerned with how the work’s licensing terms treat me as a viewer and potential promoter, and I (like one of the above commenters) can see the point of why viewers are still treated by such defensive licensing terms. Whether the film is of any worth to me as a viewer, the creators (and yes, the distributors) are expecting the production to yield a return which will make it worthwhile to produce follow-ups.

    I imagine that those who create and produce such works do not have the same outlook on media that those who edit, for example, Wikipedia have. They’re intending to create works from which they hope to gain returns. Like the proverbial Randian objectivist, most professionals in the media industry are probably not altruists regarding their bodies of work.

    So, instead of worrying about how downloading copyrighted/copywronged material is a form of “sticking it to the MAFIAA”, I am more interested in how we can make it easier for those who have had a role in making or distributing liberally-licensed (i.e., Creative Commons-licensed) works to generate income from them.

    We should be working towards making it more profitable for works to be licensed under CC-BY and any derivation thereof. We should be making it more physically profitable to allow works to be shared and trafficked in a viral, P2P manner.

    Ultimately, it’s a matter of how we can revolutionize our perception of money in this era, and if we can restructure our views on money to encompass P2P sharing/editing of content.

    Unfortunately, any attempted models of this ideal, such as cryptocurrency and Whuffie, are either especially cryptic or especially unsound to the perception of the general public.

  • Him

    what makes me angry is the fact that the ‘industries’ know full well what direction technology and innovation is moving and what they need to do to keep up with it. they simply wont go in that same direction. they are of the opinion that they dont have to and there is no need to. what is even worse is that they DONT WANT to move in that direction. they seem to think that everything is going to stop moving forward because they dont want it to. and the way they think they can stop it is to keep insisting that they are losing money because of the new technologies available, blame their own customers from obtaining material without paying for it (even though the majority are quite happy to pay as long as they get what they want!) when they are not supplying it legitimately, then force governments, politicians and law makers to make changes to keep old methods (buying disks) as the only way to preserve the industry. all they have done is alienate their customers and to make things worse, they sue those same customers for doing things in the ways they want. this is a short-sighted attitude, but in the short term, more profitable, than selling stuff, even though overall profits from legitimate sales and cinema attendances are up, year on year. it was exactly the same when video recorders were released on the High Street. people were expected to buy the product and the blank tapes, but once bought, not use them. profits did not diminish then any more than they are now. they will eventually have to change but will the damage done be repairable? only time will tell.

  • David Xanatos

    Movies and music are by nature anti competitive in a free market sense.
    You can not compare 2 movies and say oh when this is to expensive I’ll get the other on as it has all needed properties.
    Like you could do with a car or CPU or almost any other material item.
    Its rather like medicine if there is only one sort pill for your illness you wont get away with buying an other one.
    So when you watch movies not only for entertainment as such but for its content, like star trek or something similar.
    There is no competition you cant watch Iron Man instead of Star Trek 11,
    the same way you cant take a aspirin against some rear cancer.

    So whats need to be done is to make it possible for multiple supplier to offer comparable products at their own terms.

    You cant Watch Iron Man instead of Star Trek 11, but you can watch Star Trek in 640×480 instead of full HD or 3d, etc…
    You don’t need to take the medicine that is more pleasant you just need Medicine that will cure you.

    Those we need a system, that allows a movie like avatar to be made but allows anyone to sell it at free choosen conditions.
    For example a law that will allow anyone to sell anyones work at any price as long as 50% of the income is given to the copyright owner.

    This also means that anyone who offers anything for free (having advertisement does not mean for free in this sense) can do so free of charge.

    But anyone who sells the work or profits in an other direct monetary way from it like through advertisement has to pay 50% of his profit to the rights holders.

    This system would be the only way how there could be a true market competition with immaterial goods.

    • DocGerbil100

      The 50% thing is a good idea – and certainly better than the status quo. It probably wouldn’t hold up in the long run – our ability to distribute and store information is increasing much faster than our ability to create it. In ten or twenty years time, it will only take one torrent an afternoon to download the output of an entire industry. Even if the idea takes off, it will ultimately just come back to whether or not a consumer feels like supporting a given content-provider.

      PS: “you cant take a aspirin against some rear cancer” – this made me laugh. “Taking an aspirin cures ass-cancer” deserves to be an official internet fact. :)

    • Haxor

      and if you dnt sell it

    • Haxor

      and if you dnt sell it

      • Anonymous

        Then you have no right to distribute it.

  • Xybernauts

    The problem with the movie and music industry is no different then the problem with oil industry and the health care industry and even Wall Street. These companies are greedy. They take more and more control from the average citizen. Look at what’s happening in Wisconsin where they are trying to take teachers bargaining rights away. They suck us dry, taking away our rights. While some suggest that these industries are victims the truth is maybe piracy is the publics way of protesting (whether conscious or unconscious) against these industries oppressive practices. It’s a Robin Hood type movement where pirates take from the rich (The Industries) and give to the poor (other pirates). For example, look at the relationship between companies like Netflix vs. Blockbuster. Companies like Blockbuster used to provide a service like the music industry and movie industry. Prior to the rise of Netflix, Blockbuster would nickel and dime their customers for all they were worth like the movie and music industry does. Then Netflix came onto the scene with a service that treated their customers like gold. Instead of nickel and diming their customers they offered a service that provided maximum service for minimum price. Netflix reflects what service should be like and what people expect. The movie and music industry are like Blockbuster. They are nickel and diming people and naturally people resent them for it. They try to oppress people with content and people are merely voicing their feelings. Until another Netflix rises to fill the service vacuum created by the music and movie industry or until the two industries learn to listen to their customers people will act out. Besides, I for one don’t believe copying equates to theft.

  • Xybernauts

    The problem with the movie and music industry is no different then the problem with oil industry and the health care industry and even Wall Street. These companies are greedy. They take more and more control from the average citizen. Look at what’s happening in Wisconsin where they are trying to take teachers bargaining rights away. They suck us dry, taking away our rights. While some suggest that these industries are victims the truth is maybe piracy is the publics way of protesting (whether conscious or unconscious) against these industries oppressive practices. It’s a Robin Hood type movement where pirates take from the rich (The Industries) and give to the poor (other pirates). For example, look at the relationship between companies like Netflix vs. Blockbuster. Companies like Blockbuster used to provide a service like the music industry and movie industry. Prior to the rise of Netflix, Blockbuster would nickel and dime their customers for all they were worth like the movie and music industry does. Then Netflix came onto the scene with a service that treated their customers like gold. Instead of nickel and diming their customers they offered a service that provided maximum service for minimum price. Netflix reflects what service should be like and what people expect. The movie and music industry are like Blockbuster. They are nickel and diming people and naturally people resent them for it. They try to oppress people with content and people are merely voicing their feelings. Until another Netflix rises to fill the service vacuum created by the music and movie industry or until the two industries learn to listen to their customers people will act out. Besides, I for one don’t believe copying equates to theft.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, OK that actually does make a lot of sense when you think about it.

    total-privacy.ie.tc

    • We Hate Spam

      Just fsck of with the pointless, copy/paste one liners and take the spam elsewhere.

      Can’t TF do something about this wanker?

    • Spam

      Spamty spampants take your spamming spamness away and advertise your spammy wares in a place. Did I mention spam yet?

  • NJH

    The MPAA or RIAA don’t supply the content. The artists do. The MAFIAA was originally needed to bridge the gap between artist and consumer by promoting and distributing the ‘product’. Now we have the internet for that.

    Long live the HYDRA!

  • TerribleTony

    Oh woe betide the poor industry, wah wah wah.

    Deliberate obfuscation of the situation.

  • MPAA needs money to buy coke

    Hollywood films aren’t art. The people making these movies refer to them as entertainment product that is meant to be consumed. The actors/producer/writers should refer to themselves as manufacturers rather than artists.

  • http://twitter.com/ynthrepic David Boulton

    Artists create art, not their investors. There will always be media even without the ‘media industry’. The internet makes that possible.

    In any case, we’ll stop biting the hand when it feeds us properly; it’d do well to throw us a sample first too.

  • bamfan5520

    The thing to remember is…Hollywood produces 75% Garbage every year…Why spend hard earned dollars for a movie that isnt worth the price tag they throw on it…I think everyone agrees with me that at least 75% of all movies put out each year are complete PIECES OF $H!T….The other 25% that actually are worth it, people end up buying…See, most people want to see the movie before they buy it but dont feel like spending dumpsters of money to see what could be GARBAGE! Thats why P2P is around…At least 35 to 40% of all P2P users or 60% of one-click hotser users end up buying the movie after downloading and viewing it since they have seen it at no cost and enjoyed it so much, they went out to buy it…Same goes for Gaming, Music, etc…What the MAFIAA doesnt understand is exactly this fact…They are poisoning people into spending money they dont have on Garbage they dont need…What they need to understand is no matter how long you people at MAFIAA fight our community, We will all stand as one and destroy you one by one until there is nothing left!

    • Anonymous

      “At least 35 to 40% of all P2P users or 60% of one-click hotser users end up buying the movie after downloading”

      Got any links to some research or reports to back that statement up?

  • Kunta Kintay

    I wish the RIAA nothing but bankruptcy. Why? Because the economy naturally readjusts and those who pop up to take the RIAA’s place will perhaps thrive due to adaption and the fact that they will not be anal towards the consumer who are actually the ones who feed them.

  • Haxor

    i love this thread , i’m a come here each day and just scream how i want to lop off the heads of the major labels and pitchfork there minions in the azz

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Drake/100000595106737 Sean Drake

    Simply put I know i dont like paying for anything that isnt worth my hard earned money. I bust my ass to make a living and provide for my family. When i do have the extra few bucks to go see a movie i want it to be worth my while. Not something i saw the original of when i was a kid. Something new. Something original. Something with quality scripting, plot and acting. I’ve had a better time watching a stage play by high school kids enacting Shakespeare than i have seeing some of the garbage in theaters or in the rental store. If it sucks im pissed that both my time and my money were wasted. If i merely like it its not worth buying. If i love it i’ll buy it. Why the dif there? Because by the time im done sitting through 30 minutes of bull shit to see my movie my popcorns gone… my drink is watered down… and im half asleep… Its bull shit that pressing stop or play is prohibited on my dvd player… its bull shit i cant skip the previews…. its bull shit that the fucking dvd menu takes 30-60 seconds to load the play button after seeing some totally unnecessary and very unprofessionally done intro for the menu. If they stopped being greedy fucks long enough to listen to what people want they might actually make a buck extra (not that piracy really hurts them to begin with)…

  • Ninja

    Oh please, slave of media consumption? I couldn’t care less about whatever media. My life doesn’t depend on this. And that’s precisely why I don’t pay for everything but only what’s worth. And even what’s worth can be put on hold if I have other needs.

    MAFIAA sponsored? Probably.

    Btw TF AWESOME to see you follow the discussions. You’ve just got a bunch of points with me ;)
    Hint: MAFIAA, try to follow what your consumers (the filthy pirates) need and want like TF.

  • Nah

    Industry does not give people what they want plain and simple. End of discussion.

  • Duhh2h

    theres plenty of good stories buddy, but most of those wouldnt be pc now would they? file sharing is fine unless its commercial. your profits are going up and you are making more money than ever before in history, so stop whining. you can do without another diamond plated limo.

  • http://www.google.com/profiles/108037014675127192334 Binary

    Great trolling by the 1709.

  • Haplo

    I think the outrage about the “fat cats” stems from the fact that theses industries put out low-quality products most of the time, get rich by doing so and go with dynomite after mice.
    Product-quality:
    1, maybe 2 songs per album are advertised, music videos are made. They are good.
    When the album is bought and listened to it is revealed that the rest is uninteresting, at best, and the complete oposite of the rocky, head-bopping sound of the advertised ones. Good albums are the exception.
    Movies have a similar problem. I work at a video store, so I get to see virtually all movies Hollywood, Bollywood & Co crank out in a year.
    Most of it is cheap, shitty, unintelligent movies. They cost millions to make, because you “need” to have this-and-that superstar in it, the movie “needs” to play in the Hamtons and we “need” to give everyone real diamonds for the party scene because they are all stars.
    The story of the movie is, at best, rehashed or blatantly copied from a superior source if not completely fabricated by a twelve-year-old, telling the same “fell-down-the-stairs-ho-ho-ho”-joke five times per movie.
    Once you have obtained the album or paid the 20 $ movie fee at your cinema it is too late.
    The industry has won: You have given them your money and therefore voted at the box office that you wanted to see more of the same shit.
    Nevermind the trailer that shows you the best scenes of the movie, nevermind all actors always positively “love to work with the best crew in the history of EVER”.
    You have been conned out of you 20-30 $, depending on if you buy music or a movie.
    Torrent-sites and filesharers provide complete access.
    For a time, almost every movie and music piece will be out there, free for everyone to enjoy. THEN, over time, only the good products will stay online, based on how many people actually upload what they think is good quality.
    Shitty products fall under the table.
    Good products – and here is the kicker – are on your harddrive. Of your computer.
    Not everyone has a kickass-home-cinema-hi-fi-setup at home.
    Most people watch the stuff on a small screen, with crappy loudspeakers.
    And if – and only IF – they enjoy it they will go out and go to the cinema and buy that album and give you your money.
    So-called “fat cats” are the ones who crank out movies like “Marmaduke”, “Beverly Hills Chihuahua” and employ Shia LaBeouf.
    And then, when someone calls bullshit and says: “Here, have a look. At the 10 minute mark you will switch it of and delete this piece of shit”
    they will SUE THE SHIT OUT OF YOU! PIRATE! HELP MY INDUSTRY IS RAPED!
    And that gets a little on our nerves after times.

  • Pp89

    In my humble opinion I believe a “pirate” is one that gets the “good” (movie,software,music, etc) and either sells it, or has some monetary gain from using/making it available. I do not consider myself a “pirate”. But I have ,do and, will download copyrighted material. I would consider myself an “unauthorized copyright material consumer” (UCC). Would it be the same if you sneak into a movie theater and watched a movie without paying?. SO… the reason I choose to be an UCC is : I work hard and have to pay for my electricity, computers and internet connection and I’m not willing to “waste” my money on CRAP. How do I know it’s crap? Because I have the opportunity to evaluate it FULL. If it deserves my support I buy it. Dark knight, Avatar and Inception I payed for the theatrical performance, I downloaded the rips and when the B-ray came out I bought them. In my opinion the people who made the good stuff deserve my and your support and appreciation. (but it is your choice ;)

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