piracy pyramid and inhabit shadowy areas of the internet, hidden behind encrypted connections. Hunted by law enforcement agencies worldwide, they're the first suppliers of the latest movies, music and software. Getting any members of 'The Scene' to break cover is a difficult task, so getting an interview with a member is a rare event." />

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Interview with a Warez Scene Releaser

They sit at the top of the piracy pyramid and inhabit shadowy areas of the internet, hidden behind encrypted connections. Hunted by law enforcement agencies worldwide, they’re the first suppliers of the latest movies, music and software. Getting any members of ‘The Scene’ to break cover is a difficult task, so getting an interview with a member is a rare event.

The history of ‘The Scene’ can be traced back to the 1980′s when enthusiasts set up BBS‘s to facilitate the trading of small pieces of software and documents with other like-minded individuals. As bandwidth became more readily available, the next 20 years saw the availability of ‘Scene’ material explode to encompass full length movies, music, software and games, many made available before their official street dates.

Whether they like it or not (and many members don’t) ‘The Scene’ became the number one unofficial supplier of unauthorized media to the internet, distributed by others via P2P protocols and networks such as BitTorrent and ed2k. This position attracted a lot of unwanted attention from law enforcement and resulted in high profile busts such as those in Operation Fastlink and Operation Buccanner. The existence of ‘The Scene’ was no longer a closed secret, with people even making internet TV shows about it.

In an interview with a Scene releaser (a person who puts the content onto a server called a ‘Topsite‘) we get an insider’s view of The Scene and get some interesting comments about P2P.

The Interview (loosely translated from German)

Q: The scene is regarded of many people as the “Warez Scene”. What is the “scene” for you?

For me the scene is like a competition, the best group has the highest status. The real scene is just a small elite group. Most of the “scene web sites” have nothing to do with the scene. They only try to make as much money as possible, and bring the real sceners in danger.

Q: How did the scene recover after the large busts in the middle of 2005?

The scene does not only go back a few years, it goes back to the 1980′s. What I mean by this is that the scene can be weakened but after a short time it can regain its strength. Old groups go and new ones replace them.

Q: Since then did the competition between the Groups grow or decrease?

As I said, after the busts in 2005 new Groups came. Many disappeared but nevertheless some turned into well-known Groups.. The competition remained about the same.

Q: How does it look with the servers? The servers that were seized at that time, were great machines. What about the 11Tb monster?

These servers stand abroad and with the most wondrous methods to hide them from the law. Some interesting hiding methods circulated before the raids.

Q: To your knowledge, how many people were arrested?

Actually none. Every now and then so-called “szeneNfo” files circulate in which people are warned. That prevents people from getting arrested.

Q: Is the rumor true that a married couple were condemned because they were both group members?

I hear the rumor today for the first time however why should not that not have passed?

Q: Why did the groups start getting attention?

In former times as the releases did not leak onto file-sharing networks, no-one was really interested in us as we were just a few computer enthusiasts exchanging material in a small circle. Since then everything leaks to P2P and the public gets access, so we are hunted [by the authorities]

Q: Are there any measures to prevent releases for leaking?


Briefly after the raids we made some coded releases, there were no leads however.

Thank you. Those were my questions, now come the visitor’s questions.

Q: Joe: Where do the programs and movies come from?

They come to the hands of the Groups in many diverse ways. Either someone buys the things, or maybe they work at the manufacturing company or obtain it from a rental company.

Q: Jackbox: In which countries are you hosted?

Actually in all. But to use a server in countries like Germany or Austria is highly dangerous.

Q: Jackbox: How did you become a member of The Scene?

A good friend invited me as thanks for helping with the group.

Q: Rene: Is there a big chance of being caught?

It all depends how one behaves. Someone who has servers in Germany and sell copies has a bigger chance of getting caught than someone who is more careful, has its server abroad, and doesn’t get involved with people he or she barely knows.

Q: Denis: How do you ensure that the names or data associated with persons involved do not become available, as everyone leaves traces on the internet, even when surfing?

I would leave this gladly unanswered. What I can say however, is that naturally the servers do not have any log files.

Q: Denis: Why would someone be involved in this activity when it is such high risk? Is it money? Power? Fun?

The latter. Money? No. This “power” does not bring me in my material life anything. Thus, it is the fun that makes this “hobby” makes so interesting.

Q: Denis: As a site admin, I am interested in how the servers are secured?

Host the server in a “safe” country abroad, don’t keep any server logs, and make sure the non removable disks are encrypted.

Q: Robert: How is it possible to guarantee that no-one infiltrates the group?

There is no one way to do this, it’s down to experience. One should know each group member over time and work together.

Q: Robert: Is there any software which one could not crack yet?

Clearly. But since I am not active in this area, I cannot give you any information.

Q: Robert: How much traffic do you register on your servers?

It’s naturally different from server to server, but the traffic runs into tens of Terrabytes.

Q: Robert: Is there competition between the different groups and if so, how does this manifest itself?

Clearly there is competition, and everyone wants to be the best and fastest. This is apparent from the NFO files which show that the groups do not greet each other in a particularly nice way.

Q: Robert: What do you think about the claims of the software industry which say they have huge losses from piracy?

Each clear-thinking person will probably believe me that these “losses” are not due to the scene. Just because someone downloads an expensive piece of image editing software it does not mean that the person would have purchased it. But the software industry states that each pirate copy is equal to one lost sale.

Q: Christoph: Why is it not possible to close the holes in the Scene which allow the releases to leak to P2P networks?

Since there are many people in the scene, there are naturally also many leaks. That is probably the largest disadvantage of the scene becoming so large. The releases are uploaded to P2P networks without the consent of the Group.

Q: Christoph: It is clear that the Scene has a hatred for P2P. What do you think about the FXP and invite-only torrent sites?

The FXP scene mostly release only into the P2P nets. These “invite only torrent” sites belong just as little to the scene as other warez sites. They make money with the fact and bring the Groups into danger.

Q: Cyberfreak77: What will happen if one day copy protection is abolished and it is possible to copy content without concern of being punished?

The release groups will still try to be the fastest to release!

Q: Cyberfreak77: Do you think that the content owners quietly realise that illegal copying and file-sharing gives publicity to increase DVD sales?

I do not think this is impossible. If I see a good film then later I will buy it. I download to test the film to see it is worthy of being bought.

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  • Duckie

    That’s about the most non-informative interview i’ve ever read. Even I could have made up those responses with some logical thinking…

  • smartass

    Ok I’m not a noob at file sharring but i didn’t understand some terminology in this interview. he was saying about how there are dedicated servers “FTP servers” which you can download shit from at like 1mb down for example. That’s how i understand it.

    I’m a member of private torrent sites but i don’t understand what other things are there besides UseNeXT,private sites, public sites.

    What other things are out there. Can someone explain to me please

  • asia4all

    Dumb cock suckers wanna get your money! Fucking criminals!

  • Nathan

    Yea, the answers were pretty lame and could have used more fascniating details.

  • X X X

    Hey … Nice picture about that http://depositfiles.com/files/874901

  • Drew

    Could it get much boring then that?
    How about some quality answers with uhhh … information?

  • Rust

    @smartass: it’s usenet, not usenext ;) and real trading has nothing to do with web sites (which is to say, if you type “http://somethingorother” into IE, it’s a website and unrelated to the so-called scene).

    as noted in the interview (which, i agree, could have been much more informative and/or interesting), most trading at group levels occurs over FTP. if you find the software on a website, through a torrent tracker, through usenet, through KDX or Hotline, or even via email, you’re not using FTP. and even if a link on a site was an FTP link, you’re still not part of the above-mentioned scene. you’re just following the herd, just another cow.

    in other words, a wider world awaits you and all those willing to look for it. and be found by it.

  • Adolf Jones

    The Sceners hate their warez hopping onto P2P sites ? Rubbish, they couldn’t care less.

    They might lament the fact that people are leaching off their ‘hard’ work and not contributing. But they don’t care about people stealing software.

    I used to be a warez courier for a group, not particularly glamorous, but I had full FTP access to anything I wanted from some good sites.

    It is common knowledge that these releases filter down to the public in a matter of hours.

    And nobody gives a fuck.

  • Adolf Jones

    Oh and if you want to know how this stuff spreads so fast, look up FXP.

    Basically (as a courier) you log into 2 different FTP sites using a program called Flash FXP. Imagine your screen split in two and you are looking at the folders of 2 sites.

    All a courier does is copy stuff from one site to another using this software. Nothing passes through the couriers computer, and because these are big servers with massive bandwidth, things are copied at great speed.

    As a courier you have to balance credits between the two sites, like a give and take system. You get 2 credits for every KB you upload and every KB down costs 1 credit for instance.

  • HardDisk

    and about not doing it for money? bullshit, I live in the middle-east and a lot of people from the far east (mainly china) look for people who have access to pre stuff and pay good money. The interview itself was poor and didn’t tell shit about the reality of what goes on.

    Since copyright laws are almost non existant where I’m from, everyone pirates and sells warez cd’s on the streets with no fear from the law. The more stuff you have to sell the more you make.

    I understand how back in the day it was about the challenge and adrenalin rush e.t.c. I used to run a bbs in montreal even was accused at one time of being an RCMP and had to get a demo file out made by a warez group to say I wasnt an RCMP but a legit warez bbs.

    Now living in Egypt buying the complete collection of southpark dvdrips for less than 50$US is as easy as going to a coke dispensing machine. Without the warez groups many people would lose business.

  • Okay

    Is this really a releaser or just a racer? There was no mention that 11tb is nothing compared to what’s out there and the amazing speeds. Plus stupid people renting US colo’s. Sheesh, he just rehashed what everyone knew years ago.

  • TedPrice

    I used to trade warez. These types of interviews make my ass bubble like a cauldron. Hes talking about the 2005 busts, lets talk about the 1995 busts …

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  • deadhead

    another insecure german prick speak to much as usual.

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  • Ben

    I once did GFX for a release/cracking group who operated on IRC, they really didn’t care if their stuff ended up on P2P.

  • m3

    interviewee = total flamin fag…
    no *TRUE* scener would talk especially to p2p ass lickin media.

    *VOMIT*

  • m3

    “by Adolf JonesQuote Adolf Jones

    Basically (as a courier) you log into 2 different FTP sites using a program called Flash FXP. Imagine your screen split in two and you are looking at the folders of 2 sites.

    what a n00b

  • sum1
  • sum1

    flashfxp.. LOL
    luv 2 FtpRush

  • quartex

    the only scene is the demo-scene

  • Daza

    No real scener would give an interview like this. Anyone with half a clue already knew all of the above anyway.

    99% of Groups do not want their stuff shared on P2P, or anywhere outside of their circle. There is definitely a couple of groups who don’t mind if their stuff is shared though, one that comes to mind is a HDTV ripping group.

    I’m suspicious about the interview..

  • AMatterofPerspective

    The interviewee\’s self impression is undboutedly that he\’s a big-timer so don\’t give him such a hard time. It\’s all relative.

    It was just a few years ago that a collection of a few thousand MP3s seemed like a big deal. The concept of what big-time means anymore is a moving target. If I recall correctly just a few years ago the American FBI did a \”huge\” raid in which people actualyl went to prison for a measley five terrabytes.

    A few years later and suddenly we\’re supposed to think that a terrabyte is a normal amount of data for a person to have.

    There\’s talk of 100mbps connectivity going mainstream in the next few years. At that point a 5tb cache of data will be passe.

  • BS

    Bullcrap they don’t want their stuff shared. The more people download it the larger their ego gets.

  • Steve

    Piracy saves the environment, just think of all that packaging that isn’t needed.

    Be an environmentalist, pirate :)

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  • hahahaha

    @steve
    funniest.comment.ever

    as for the interview? utter tripe…

  • jtom

    badass

  • wwn

    freejavagames.110mb.com , pirate mobile content :)

  • Cyanfly

    I don’t see why everyones flaming this interview like he said its hard to get in contact with someone from a warez group personally and it has been translated from German. For a guy who is really concerned about his privacy what do you expect him to say.

    Good Job enigmax :)

  • Heather Paquinas

    An earlier run-in of computer enthusiasts and corporations was bill gates open letter to the homebrew computer club:

    http://www.google.com/search?q=%22bill+gates%22+open+letter+homebrew+computer&esrch=RefinementBarTopViewTabs

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  • Pyrogenica

    Bad style, poor interview, shame

  • Pyrogenica

    Dubious source + suspect style = waste of time reading

  • PiMPSP

    Hmm normally the content found here is great but man, this article was complete rubbish I can provide you with a better interview regarding scene rules, politics, methods etc..and I’m just a fuckin FXP’n leech

  • http://www.torrentfreak.com enigmax

    Our readers will be pleased to know that TorrentFreak only translated this article from German, we didn’t conduct the interview ;)

    To those people who want something substantial on this subject, we have some thing special for you coming right up. Next day or so….stay tuned ..we hope you love it! :)

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  • Unsub

    I love how mad the sceners get about people like Axxo leaaching off their hard work by putting stuff on P2P.
    They sound just like the MPAA.

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  • balupton

    I thought the interview was really great. I have a few questions though.

    1. Why do sceners leak releases when they will damage the scene? Are they like anti-piracy members who want to ruin the scene? If so then they are the cause of the problem and the piracy, because if the scene was isolated from the public then their wouldn’t be a problem… would there?

    2. What are your thoughts on the costs of a cd or dvd, do you think the money is going to right places?

  • carlco

    is this guy really scene? sounds like he was in dipers sucklin his moma’s titty in the 80′s man. jeesh. ask him if he knows what a z80 or 6502 processor is. lil fag.

  • RIP.CHUD

    I was busted but the feds for operation fastlink. This interview is probably with a fed, and at that copied from another site im sure.

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  • ektosknot

    everyone speck about scene but nobody explains how can u find this releses but p2p software’s! Does anyone know??

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    I Think,İt is very nice information…

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