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Ireland Set To Force ISPs To Disconnect Pirates

Following last year’s failed High Court bid to force an ISP to adopt a 3 strikes-style regime to deal with pirates, the Big Four record labels are set to get their way through a change in the law. If adopted, proposals published yesterday by the Irish government would allow copyright holders to hold ISPs liable for infringements and take out injunctions against them.

After reaching a negotiated settlement with ISP Eircom to deal with illicit file-sharing, the Irish Recorded Music Association (IRMA) took ISP UPC to court after it refused to implement a similar scheme. IRMA wanted UPC to disconnect persistent pirates, UPC insisted there was no legal basis for doing so.

The case went to the High Court but although Mr Justice Peter Charleton acknowledged that recording companies were being harmed by Internet piracy, he said that laws to cut off file-sharers were not enforceable in Ireland.

“It is not surprising that the legislative response laid down in our country in the Copyright and Related Rights Act 2000, at a time when this problem was not perceived to be as threatening to the creative and retail economy as it has become in 2010, has made no proper provision for the blocking, diverting or interrupting of internet communications intent on breaching copyright,” he said in his judgment.

By not having this legislative mechanism in place, Justice Charleton said that Ireland is not in compliance with its obligations under European law. The only thing the courts can force an Internet host to carry out, he said, is the removal of infringing material.

Now, through its ‘Consultation on Amendment to Copyright and Related Rights Act, 2000′, the Irish government is taking steps to change legislation to close this apparent loophole.

“It must be emphasised that this proposed amendment is not about the introduction of a statutory regulatory regime in relation to copyright infringement such as the French ‘Hadopi’ system or the ‘Three strikes’ regime set out in the Digital Economy Act in the United Kingdom,” notes the proposal.

Nevertheless, while they do not implement a statutory regime, adoption of the proposals could yield a similar result, a situation welcomed by IRMA.

“We have always been looking for the right to take injunctions against ISPs if they are not dealing with illegality on their networks,” said IRMA chief executive Dick Doyle.

The proposals published yesterday are open for public consultation with a closing date of July 1st, just over a week away. Submissions should be sent to IPU@djei.ie or posted to the Intellectual Property Unit, Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation, Kildare Street, Dublin 2.

The proposals come on the back of the news that due to an administrative computer error, in October last year Eircom wrongly sent out around 300 “first strike” warning letters to innocent subscribers. The error is now being investigated by the Irish Data Protection Commissioner.

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  • Anonymous

    I guess action needs to be taken against them.

    • Campobranco

      We taxpaiers from Europ shall give them a litle bit more monny……..
      why d`nt the all go to “das 4ª Reich > USA !!!!!

      João

      • Anon

        Engrish much?

        • Trololol

          He’s obviously not a native english speaker, silly. Now stop being a jackass and go write something meaningful.
          On-topic: Goddamn, Ireland is looking like the proverbial scrawny guy in an american prison that likes to pick up the soap bars that fall on the floor.

        • Guest

          He is some portuguese dude (like me) but with low English skills. :P

    • Guest

      Come on guys. It’s not that bad. Everyone know’s the Irish Government is as fast as a tortoise in reverse. This is just us trying to catch up to our European neighbors like France or the UK mentioned above where an even stricter system is introduced. Still no fines, jail or other more severe penalties which would have being a lot worse.

      • Anon

        At least you have a new way to get out of your internet contracts.

    • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

      By all means go ahead. The FBI is still investigating operation payback and there are apparently dozens of people that still could be arrested for their part in the attacks. All the socially misguided, armchair activists at 4chan think they can go toe to toe with law enforcement, but the fact that every day we hear about these losers getting a visit from the FBI would seem to say otherwise. Get a fucking life, kids.

      tl;dr – You would be making a huge mistake. But if you want to paint an even bigger target on anymous, go ahead pal. I don’t expect the FBI’s crack down on this whole thing to be over anytime soon.

      • Anonymous

        The fascist US police state that’s about to default on its debt?

        Your day is done. Considered that we’re the ones coming to get you?

      • ball jugler

        i thought you were just a fucking idiot, and was going to scroll down to read more comments, but i scrolled up just to see what name this pussy chose for himself … and then i see it… jack.. hahaha, then i went “ohoooo ok is jack… such stupidity is expected of him”

      • Ugly American

        “By all means go ahead. The FBI is still investigating operation payback and there are apparently dozens of people that still could be arrested for their part in the attacks.”

        Great, I’m glad the feds have nothing better to do than to play games with script kiddies – I guess all criminal activity has ceased to exist and they can focus on “important” matters like this one…

        “All the socially misguided, armchair activists at 4chan think they can go toe to toe with law enforcement, but the fact that every day we hear about these losers getting a visit from the FBI would seem to say otherwise.”

        What “activists,” retard? Everything on 4chan = “for teh lulz.” Who the heck takes them seriously? LOL

        “Get a fucking life, kids.”

        Get a fucking clue, dimwit. 4tehlulzchan = the interweb’s shit stain. Nobody takes “kids” – as you call them – seriously.

        “tl;dr – You would be making a huge mistake. But if you want to paint an even bigger target on anymous, go ahead pal.”

        “Anymous,” huh? Some might call that epic, “pal” – especially on 4chan.

        “I don’t expect the FBI’s crack down on this whole thing to be over anytime soon.”

        I don’t expect you’re taking your medications – hallucinating much?

        ALL UR DELUSIONZ R BELONG 2 US :-*

        • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

          He needs his psychiatric meds =/
          Don’t be harsh on him, his own little world is crumbling =(

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        They can crack Anonops down, the hydra will spawn further heads. Oh wait, LuLzSec has already been born =DDD

        Law is twisted. Governments aren’t for people. This was bound to spawn all sorts of anarchic groups and movements. Ppl are fed up at the Govt trolls bending for the money.

        • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

          One of the members of lulzsec was arrested in england yestrday. Anyone can act tough on the internet. These kids seem to love negative attention like there is no tomorrow. They hacked into government agencys and threw up the incriminating evidence on their site… And they really think they will get away with it? Sounds to me like they are trying really hard to get jail time.


          What “activists,” retard? Everything on 4chan = “for teh lulz.” Who the heck takes them seriously? LOL ”
          Oh right, so it was just a coincidence that they DDOSed pay pal and all the other companies that retracted their support for wikileaks or you know, the RIAA after they got limewire to get rid of the search feature? I guess they just accidentally launched a wave of attacks on the copyright industry, right? What a dumbass.

  • kev

    im irish .as we see again our goverments cave and pander to anyone,not only have they sold my country down the tubes but they want to turn our country into a police state,violent action is long overdue against these pigs not just for this but long line of threaturous acts against its people,its not the people of ireland who bankrupt ireland but the goverment and greedy bankers but the people are paying for its bailout,scum of the earth,germany had the nazis ireland has FIANNA FAIL.

    • gh

      Not a single political party speaks for you, don’t name drop, they’re all the fucking same.

    • Paul B

      >scum of the earth,germany had the nazis ireland has FIANNA FAIL.

      Erm, no we don’t, they’re no longer in government…
      They’re now the third largest party…

      Are you actually Irish?

      • kev

        what party was in power for the last 20 yrs,thats right not fine gael but fianna fail,this problem has been 15 yrs in the making so yes fianna fail are to blame

        • Mic

          Who cares what party was in power for the last 20 years genius. This is new legislation you idiot.

  • Barack Overseer Obama

    Bruton you little fucking cunt i hope someone murders you with a 12 gauge.
    Sometimes hope won’t do it though….

  • Bebs

    It won’t be Fianna Fail that implement this. It’ll be Fine Gael. All Irish politicians are the same. This is just another case of the Irish state being sold to the highest bidder.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jordan.kratz Jordan Kratz

    3 strikes and then a government official is out.
    just sounds better to my ears.

    • Hahahaha

      GREAT IDEA

  • CyberAff

    damn thats the good news i’ve had ever listened to lol

  • Anonymous

    This sure is interesting.

    Should the Irish Government make disconnections lawful then not only would it be a human rights abuse according to the United Nations but it would also break a European Union directive that bans disconnections in member countries. Such a scheme could only apply to member states that already had such a scheme in the works namely France and the UK.

    So go ahead Ireland and get your butt kicked in European courts.

    • Herbert

      ‘Such a scheme could only apply to member states that already had such a scheme in the works namely France and the UK’.
      dont know if that is true but those countries are being ‘encouraged’ to change their policy. before long, someone will take this to EU Court of Human Rights. when that happens, it will be interesting to say the least to see which side of the coin the ruling falls on.

    • Herbert

      ‘Such a scheme could only apply to member states that already had such a scheme in the works namely France and the UK’.
      dont know if that is true but those countries are being ‘encouraged’ to change their policy. before long, someone will take this to EU Court of Human Rights. when that happens, it will be interesting to say the least to see which side of the coin the ruling falls on.

      • Anonymous

        The big question is what ISPs would do stuck in the middle of this?

        If they willingly disconnect infringers knowing this is a violation of human rights then not only can they later be court fined for damages but they can also be labeled as the ISP convicted of human rights abuses.

        Or do they fund the costs to take the matter to the European Court of Human Rights. Should disconnections be confirmed as a human rights violation then not only would this revoke such an Irish law but would also ban Hadopi and the DEA from disconnections when anyone disconnected can just sue for a human rights abuse and get a large compensation cheque in Euros.

        In a rare case European Court does not have to side with the UN view but that seems unlikely.

  • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

    Extract quote from the TF article -
    “The case went to the High Court but although Mr Justice Peter Charleton acknowledged that recording companies were being harmed by Internet piracy, he said that laws to cut off file-sharers were not enforceable in Ireland.

    By not having this legislative mechanism in place, Justice Charleton said that Ireland is not in compliance with its obligations under European law. The only thing the courts can force an Internet host to carry out, he said, is the removal of infringing material.” [Thanks Andy/enigmax]

    Firstly I’d like to know Pete’s grounds for claiming harm, then I’d applaud him for noting the Human Rights angle that internet disconnection for reason of flawed copywrong law is naughty to the point of being harmful to modern society.

    Pity he appeared to have accepted the harm-argument though. We know it’s lies. We know it’s mere accountancy-crap based on false assumptions of trade and human behaviour.

    We know the MAFIAA are liars, cheats and thieves – so why doesn’t Judge Pete?

    • Whatever

      Because justice is blind ?

    • Whatever

      Sorry, couldn’t resist that one in the previous comment.

      Its more that any judge believes the wining of corporations much easier than law arguments.

      UPC goes in there defending themselves on the basis that whatever the problem, it is not their problem (they were not there to argue about damage).

      MAFIAA goes to court with a huge stack of imaginary damages. As judges don’t do any research or are paid followers of the MAFIAA they will swallow anything that those parasites imagine (any normal person does at least do some reasearch before buying something but judges seem to be a different breed).

      And politicians (although reading/seeing some mixed opinions about Ireland like lazy vs the banks faults) never do anything that their voters want. This law, useless for Ireland, will likely pass wether people want it or not. Like they voted against the EU treaty or against the economic measures imposed on the by the EU (Politicians are not paid to do what they think is best for their country but to try to do what they promised their voters, they just seem to forget that after every election).

      BTW: After the law all the Irish money will then flow to Swedish VPN providers.

  • Cavelord

    If you can’t enforce your “forced regime” through the Justice Dept, you can always go the easy route, and get the laws changed to change “justice”.

  • Woo

    so the contravention of human rights over internet disconnection is going out of the window then and the Irish DPC report is going to be ignored. if the new proposal is not about ‘the introduction of a statutory regulatory regime in relation to copyright infringement such as the French ‘Hadopi’ system or the ‘Three strikes’ regime set out in the Digital Economy Act in the United Kingdom’, what the hell is it about? why bring it in anyway?

    • Anonymous

      Just them trying to minimise it. You can figure it out with their disconnections due to copyright infringement plan. Open the gates and the flood soon follows.

      Even the French Hadopi and UK DEA lack the balls to disconnect infringers. All about education so far that active file-sharers can simply ignore. I cant see them starting disconnections due to the human rights aspect.

      So does Ireland want to walk where others fear to tread? Do we really want an Irish police state ruled by corporations?

      • Guest

        “Do we really want an Irish police state ruled by corporations? ”
        I thought Ireland already was …..

  • Trololol

    I thought the UN said DC’ing people from the Internet was a breach of human rights. Is the irish gov gonna be THAT retarded?

    • Anonymous

      My word of choice would be arrogant.

      It is not law yet and not all politicians are stupid/corrupt/arrogant. I guess you can sum that up as retarded.

    • Anonymous

      My word of choice would be arrogant.

      It is not law yet and not all politicians are stupid/corrupt/arrogant. I guess you can sum that up as retarded.

  • Jim

    Being Irish myself, I can honestly say that Eircom can go fuck themselves. Fuck off, Eircom. Seriously, my country will bend over to ANYTHING. We never fight back, our culture is too modest. No matter how bad things get, we always say “Ahh, it’ll be grand”. As you can see, Eircom is taking advantage of this.

  • Anonymous

    Ireland say Hi to UN Sanctions. :P

  • Oskar84

    i guess a good vpn is a must these fucking days

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  • Desmond

    This is normal for Ireland anything cool we have is immediately cut down. There’s no point in blaming the government for this one it’s the Irish people that are idiots. We find out that magic mushrooms are technically legal so we start selling them and having fun, the Irish people (the ones who vote and use their voice) decide they want that stopped. Those same people call for a ban on legal headshops and even though it brought in extra tax revenue, took money and customers away from drug dealers again they were banned. They call for something to be done about alcohol related crime and the hours of off licenses and pubs are cut back and late licenses are so prohibitively expensive that all the small alternative bars have to close down.

    Now they plan to take on file sharing and again those very same Irish people will fully agree with it and those who don’t aren’t going to do anything about it either. It’s the same on everything the government does, the people who complain about the good things being taken away never do anything about it. Not one person who has posted here nor anyone who will be annoyed or affected by this change in law is going to fight. They’re just going to do what the rest of us do and either leave or find ways around it.

  • Desmond

    This is normal for Ireland anything cool we have is immediately cut down. There’s no point in blaming the government for this one it’s the Irish people that are idiots. We find out that magic mushrooms are technically legal so we start selling them and having fun, the Irish people (the ones who vote and use their voice) decide they want that stopped. Those same people call for a ban on legal headshops and even though it brought in extra tax revenue, took money and customers away from drug dealers again they were banned. They call for something to be done about alcohol related crime and the hours of off licenses and pubs are cut back and late licenses are so prohibitively expensive that all the small alternative bars have to close down.

    Now they plan to take on file sharing and again those very same Irish people will fully agree with it and those who don’t aren’t going to do anything about it either. It’s the same on everything the government does, the people who complain about the good things being taken away never do anything about it. Not one person who has posted here nor anyone who will be annoyed or affected by this change in law is going to fight. They’re just going to do what the rest of us do and either leave or find ways around it.

    • Rabbit80

      And here is the real issue – IF this law is introduced, people will find a way around it, VPN, TOR, Seedboxes, Darknets, Proxy – to name but a few ways of easily defeating the law.

      The problem is – ultimately, this will cause serious problems for law enforcement. As encryption gets stronger and anonymity more commonplace, trying to monitor the real criminals on the internet will become more difficult – to the point it will be impossible. Yet your government will keep throwing more money at these issues and will never be able to catch up no matter how much they spend.

      Introducing restrictive laws without studying the impact fully is a crazy idea – and will only serve to cause further, more serious issues further down the line.

      • Desmond

        That’s just how things have always gone and always will in Ireland. We’re being ruled by an older generation out of touch and woefully behind the times. The people who voted them in and the ones who’s voices are the loudest are the same generation. People who can barely use facebook and open emails.

        The Irish response to everything is not innovation it’s imitation of other countries draconian legislation and instead of spending time doing research on a topic they just ban them instead, it’s the easiest way and it shuts up the core electorate of middle aged parents. All you have to do is say piracy is stealing using an analogy similar to robbing an apple from a shop and people won’t look into it any further. They’ll accept it’s “wrong” and will accept any measure the govt. introduces as long as it’s fast and tough.

        The only good thing about this situation is that they’re so out of touch that we have for a long time and still can find very easy ways around things. Magic mushrooms can be easily bought online and grown at home, legal highs have just been replaced by illegal ones, we just buy all our cheap imported booze early and stay at home drinking and file sharing will just evolve too. The biggest issue here for anyone with any intelligence is you can plainly see that of the above 4 things that govt. has legislated, it is the Irish govt. and the Irish people that are losing out on a massive load of money. Pubs are closing because they can’t afford to stay open, we don’t pay tax on our drug use anymore and we pay foreigners that instead and the same will happen with file sharing, we’ll just start hemorrhaging more money to other countries. Not only that but who the hell with a degree and a chunk of cash is going to stay in Ireland?

        They just consistently remove anything that makes Ireland worth staying for and then they cry and moan about losing this generation of skilled workers? Yeah, well Ireland is going to be an old country filled aged people who have sad draconian laws and no youth.

      • Haxor

        and your an idiot why? Cause the next law is to force you all to hand over all keys and such for any encryption , your better to fight it now and get loud and violent they dont listen otherwise as they think your a pussy

    • Storey

      there was no vote on headshops, a small few overpowered the governments decision based on family values, we live in a nanny state, god forbid you can actually think for yourself and get educated on topics they don’t force on you in school and media

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  • Any Mouse

    Well, how soon will we see ISPs pushing for high tariffs on music albums?

    300 quids per song will be sufficient to recoup ISPs losses from disconnections.

    • Haxor

      and when 4 people in ireland can afford a music tune….that my friend is the end….

  • Haxor

    ireland and the irish have always been pro copyright….bill gates = irish, harper of canada = irish….so maybe we should start killing the irish

  • Anonymous

    With the ever accelerating pace of new technology, the problem of new generations being governed by the older generation becomes more and more problematic. Like people from the middle ages making laws to prevent deaths caused by car accidents. By passing a law that prevents manufacturers from building any cars that drive faster then 50km/h. Without having the faintest clue they just killed all motor racing sports and drive to further improve efficiency.

    (Not comparing the webs to cars. Just a statement about generations, legislation and technology.)

  • Just Some Asswipe..

    Every Government is the same, a bunch of corrupt morons that will do anything for a quick buck, that”s why i like to call myself a Man of no nation, i can’t possibly take pride in being from any Country in this world when Human Beings are so disgusting.

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  • DarknezzFallz

    with ever thing that is happening it only seems to get worse… does anyone feel that the American Government/Anti-Piracy Groups are the reason that we have so much speculation that in 2012 the world governments/society will be destroyed?
    Be the perfect reason… attempting to take away Generation X’s Internet rights…
    We do not forget
    We do not forgive
    Be Prepared.

  • radioman

    another dead country, happy life with proxies ;}

  • gae

    I don;t see why the music companies need to have laws made just to keep them in business. If my business started losing money due to a new piece of technology becoming available then would anybody change the law for me?

    • Demonspeed

      Depends on how much tax revenue your company generates, how many employees are on the payroll, and your volume of sales.

      Tax, tax, tax….oh and V.A.T.

      You know, in theory, governments reap so much in tax it should be impossible for them to go bust. Ha, Ha. well, you gotta laugh. Wankers.

  • Anon

    i wonder if the EU and UN are aware of what the Irish government’s intention is? could be interesting when they do find out!

  • Brandon-is-a-spass

    I can only say – Who’s next maddafakkas?!?!

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  • http://www.facebook.com/matthew.swaringen Matthew Swaringen

    The government there already sold out the people for debt incurred by their banks, it isn’t really surprising that their corporatism extends to the media industries as well.

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  • Eeipcy

    Add a copyright for “Fianna Fáil”, “Fine Gael”, “Labour”, “Sinn Féin” in Japan and sue the Irish ISP’s for breech of copyright if any of them infringe the copyright.

    • Bert

      Sorry I meant trademark.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

    So the judge says “We aren’t going to write 3 strikes legislation…”

    “But we’re doing it anyway?”

    Here’s a novel idea, what do the people have to say about this? You know? The consumers that are affected by wrongful copyright lawsuits? The ones getting kicked off for bad legislation? The ones that pay their bills and just want to enjoy the internet in their own manner?

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  • Anon

    Fuck corrupt politicians.

  • Screw pirates

    All the comments against this can be summarised as “I’m too cheap and selfish to pay for anything”. Grow the fuck up and stop acting like you’re somehow entitled to free media.

    What this country really needs is less strict digital media laws to allow more digital media stores and streaming services like netflix, hulu, etc.

  • Screw pirates

    All the comments against this can be summarised as “I’m too cheap and selfish to pay for anything”. Grow the fuck up and stop acting like you’re somehow entitled to free media.

    What this country really needs is less strict digital media laws to allow more digital media stores and streaming services like netflix, hulu, etc.

  • Anonymous

    OK man this makes a lot of sense dude. WOw.

    http://www.web-privacy.no.tc

  • Anonymous

    OK man this makes a lot of sense dude. WOw.

    http://www.web-privacy.no.tc

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  • Dave

    Looks like im going to have to start selling all the music and movies i download to pay for my vpn

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  • Bert

    All this will end up doing is funneling money out of Ireland to VPN providers around the world it will not help a dying industry.
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