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Is BitTorrent Done? Major Torrent Sites Consider Shutting Down

News of raids, arrests, seizures, extraditions and jail time in the file-sharing world hasn’t gone unnoticed by the operators of major BitTorrent sites. Yesterday, the owners of BTjunkie decided to close their site because the stress became too much, and there are others who consider doing the same. While there are still plenty site owners who are determined to continue, doubt and uncertainty are more present than ever before.

dark cloudsFor nearly a decade BitTorrent sites have ruled the file-sharing landscape.

In recent weeks, however, worry about the future has increased drastically among the owners of some of the largest torrent sites. Yesterday, BTjunkie closed its doors for good, and TorrentFreak has learned that at least two other sites in the top 10 have toyed with the same idea.

“There have been talks of shutting our site down, even before BTjunkie did it,” one admin told TorrentFreak on condition of anonymity.

The aggressive actions against MegaUpload – site founder Kim Dotcom was raided by an anti-terrorist squad last month – are frequently mentioned as cause for concern. So much so that several people involved with one of the largest torrent sites on the Internet have already dropped out.

“A couple guys on the staff decided not to be involved anymore with the site after the MegaUpload incident,” the admin told us.

The fact that a German citizen can be arrested in New Zealand upon request from the US authorities signaled that regardless of local laws, people connected to file-sharing sites have become a global target.

“It’s turning into a witch hunt. It is worrying,” said the admin.

The thoughts of this admin are shared by one of the owners of another major torrent site, who told TorrentFreak in private that shutting down has crossed his mind on several occasions.

Things have become more and more complicated in recent weeks. Even those who are as cooperative as possible with copyright holders, by swiftly responding to DMCA takedown requests for example, can’t be entirely sure that they won’t become the next target.

On the other side, however, there are also those who continue undeterred, such as isoHunt.com owner Gary Fung, who is battling in court with the music and movie industries.

“After 6 years of 2 civil lawsuits with MPAA and CRIA, we are still here. None of these events is really new to us. From Lokitorrent to Suprnova, we’ve seen sites we index come and go. And as long as the Free Internet exists, sharing will endure. As will isoHunt,” he says.

Ironically enough, isoHunt’s ongoing legal battle might be what keeps Fung relatively safe. If the authorities planned to launch a criminal investigation against a torrent site it would be strange to pick one that is already involved in a civil lawsuit with a copyright holder.

Besides not being worried about the future, isoHunt’s owner is going on the offensive and is urging the entertainment industries to embrace technology, instead if fighting it.

“Perhaps more than ever, I wish the content industries will wake up to the fact you can’t fight technological progress, that battles maybe won, the war is already lost. Unless Content really starts working with technology to accelerate spread of culture, as the Internet has naturalized it. And make more money than ever in the process,” Fung says.

“Because so-called piracy enabled by the Internet and media consumption is not a zero-sum game, a download does not equal a lost sale, and what pirates really want is not necessarily free as in beer, but free as in speech and convenience.”

isoHunt’s determination to continue operating is shared by Extratorrent‘s admin Sam, whose site became the 5th largest torrent site after BTjunkie folded.

“What happened with MegaUpload is not at all good for the torrent world, but I would say it is impossible to stop the unstoppable. After all, if one site is shut down, a hundred new sites will open,” Sam told TorrentFreak, adding, “We have no plans to shut down,we will continue running as usual.”

Another site that’s not going anywhere is The Pirate Bay, the largest torrent site of all. Although its founders are now very close to serving jail time, the site itself will remain online. In the coming weeks The Pirate Bay will replace .torrent files with magnet links, which makes the site more portable and resilient.

The above shows that the end of BitTorrent is not near, but it’s hard to ignore the changing climate. People who previously saw no problems with running a torrent site are now reconsidering their position. The exact fallout, and whether there will be any newcomers to fill the gaping hole BTjunkie left, will become apparent in the coming months.

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  • Anonymous

    BitTorrent is not done. Sites closing up is part of the deal. It’s happened before and will continue to occur.

    • http://www.facebook.com/hopeyoufsckingdie Hope You Die

      So say we all.

      • Guest

        so say we all

        • Anonymous

          so say we all

    • Anonymous

      To add: I think the Piratebay’s step in using only magnetic links is a good start in keeping bittorrent afloat. It reduces the overhead of bandwidth 10 fold.

      Evolution; You can’t explain that.

      • BoSNiaN

        Actually, no. Torrent files are EXTREMELY tiny and use nothing in terms of bandwidth relative to what the website uses.

        Anyway, magnet links pose LOTS of disadvantages as opposed to torrents, including slow speeds for newly uploaded torrents…

        • +ORC

          Which just goes to show you don’t know what you’re talking about. Torrent files might be small, but they’re on the order of a 100x-1000x larger than a magnet link. And speed-wise, magnet links will find peers from the DHT in a matter of seconds and pretty much always under a minute, even for brand spanking new content. Downloading the actual content is exactly the same whether you’re using magnet links or .torrent files.

        • Momo

          Fucking magnets, how do they work??

          Magnet links are awesome! They are so small you can store TPB’s entire index in a couple of GBs, where .torrent files would need hundreds of GBs. They already work great, and don’t forget that the technology will even improve over time!

          Here’s how I see it. We need to start moving to a distributed, darknet-based magnet link database (Freenet maybe? A fork of Yacy perhaps?) that allows users to synchronise their local index with other users. Wrap it in a nice installer, and voila: “too big to fail” centralised search engines are a thing of the past!

        • Sandeep

          Magnetic hash alone will be slow but when you include the tracker url in the Margentic URI then the download will be faster. TPB’s Magnets include trackers.

        • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

          To contribute to their popularity and encourage a transfer to magnet links, I’ve used them almost exclusively for a long time now, excluding only from some very few scene sites that don’t yet offer magnets. I don’t recognize your description at all. You may argue that the first 30 seconds or so are slightly slower on really small torrents, but, seriously, if you can’t deal with that… Well.

          As for bandwidth, you’re sort of right, if you compare the torrent files to the web pages, but I think you overestimate the bandwidth requirements of a well constructed site. That’s not necessarily a relevant comparison, though, depending on the server setup. Still, the more important thing is the total size of the site/service. Here, the torrent files make up quite a big chunk. Web pages aren’t stored individually, but as modules, which makes the storage needs much smaller than the bandwidth needs. Relative to this, the torrent files are actually rather big.

          Consider: Now, Pirate Bay can be transferred through a moderately sized torrent, or any other p2p protocol. It can literally be anywhere and everywhere in the world at the same time, and be set up on a new server in a matter of hours, – minutes if some preparations have been done. You can set up your own image of PB on your own computer, to tide you over with old torrents for the few hours PB is down after a police state raid.

          Of course, all of that is overkill, but that’s kind of the point; PB is taking a giant step ahead on some critical issues.

      • Bill O

        tide goes in tide goes out

    • Schvedka

      I went looking for some course material off a site that links to filelockers for downloading.

      I found that 9 of 10 links were DEAD!

      “File not available etc”

      This stinks

    • someone

      sextorrents.ru

    • Anonymous

      everyone knows bittorrent died when suprnova closed ;)

      • Anonymous

        Huh?

        • Anonymous

          suprnova was the first really big bittorrent site
          it’s closing was quite an earthquake, but bittorrent survived just fine and grew and grew.

          I just wanted to give an example of the past that the closing of a site, no matter how big, does not end bittorrent.

      • Neil Moore

        I remember suprnova! It’s been so long!

        • FBI RATS

          Suprnova was the KING of torrent sites

      • http://twitter.com/al_d_25 booda dass

        lol okay there bud….

        • sketch

          meh, they were all public toilets, full of shit, and the occasional diamond in the ruff, they were all just index sites, they didnt run a tracker of their own…..torrents arent going anywhere, file sharing of some kind has been around since the 70′s, we will do like the rest of the world, evolve or perish. TPB is still a public toilet, anyone can take a shit there, or leave a shit if you wish. there are much better sites around.

        • Anonniemusss

          @ sketch.
          Your mind is a private toilet. Don’t flush it in public. Keep your “shit” to yourself.

      • /b/loody flies

        again, huh?

    • Anonymous

      Yes BT is far from gone and clearly this is wishful thinking.

      In fact from Mega closure and other cyberlockers not liking US users then this may well force more people into using BT. Not to forget natural yearly growth in the BT market.

      Since those on the copyright side usually abuse the law then I doubt this is a policy they will much gain from. Currently they are only trying to scare people and are we that chicken? Most websites I know try to follow the law in whatever way they can and that makes them much tougher to deal with.

      Then here we are fighting laws that aim to corrupt the Internet. Main ACTA protest day is this Saturday namely the 11th. The full schedule for Europe & North America can be seen here….
      https://www.accessnow.org/policy-activism/press-blog/acta-protest-feb-11

    • http://twitter.com/freakyvrk Varghese Paul

      freakhacks.blogspot.com get the best hacking tips!!!

    • /b/loody flies

      it is known.

    • http://twitter.com/freakyvrk Varghese Paul

      for best hacking articles visit: http://freakhacks.blogspot.in/

  • Vcxvcxv

    hope rutracker will not close, seems down

    • Kryptonite

      They’re getting DDoSed.

      • Chronoss2008

        post ips of dossing on another site get users to dos those ips back

        TIME to fight back

        • Email

          First of all, how you gonna attack them back? You gonna wave your angry fists to the monitor? Do you know that much about packet sending, networking?
          Second, those ip are mostly from infected computers. It could be yours for that matter, you wouldn’t even know.

    • StBG

      Popular torrent tracker RuTracker.org does not work because of large-scale DDoS-attacks. When you open the page, users see a white screen, the interface is not loaded. For information about failures in the work site representative confirmed the tracker in a comment in the resource habrahabr.ru: ” ddos us. On February 6, about ten in the evening and at this moment … ”

      According to him, unlike the previous, ” DDoS managed: adversary periodically change the structure of packets to bypass filters. Because of this forum is visible, then no. ” In this attack only forum – trackers are still intact. When DDoS-attack ( Distributed Denial of Service – Distributed Denial of Service) at the same time organized a lot of requests to a computer system with a different IP-addresses. The purpose of the attack may be to bring to the failure of computer systems, so users can not access the sites.

      ?????? ?????????: http://www.gazeta.ru/business/2012/02/07/3992021.shtml
      PS This is google translate; some other sources give a number of of 400K attacks per secon

      • -1

        It loads fine. What are you talking about?

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/DWTJR5SDTI3EVSHRJYKHRO5KV4 Uh Huh!

          It loads crappy for me, but when it does finally load, it doesn’t search for shit anyways. I think it’s just going to get harder and harder to ‘access’ files from here on out.

          Bittorrenting will never die, it’ll just become so arcane and rare, that most people will forget about it. Most of the kids I know that were big into it, ten years ago, have already moved on anyways, so…

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  • Test

    so is demonoid closing ?

    • Tonybalony44

      no, but i’m sure KAT and torrentreactor are

      • fed up with feds

        KAT? Say it ain’t so! It’s in my top five sites list.. where do you get your info, if you dont mind me asking? got a link?

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/DWTJR5SDTI3EVSHRJYKHRO5KV4 Uh Huh!

          KAT doesnt have doodly.
          Most people that remember OINK and other really awesome sites agree, I think, the selection and seeding nowadays is pitiful…just pitiful. Sad really. I mean yeah, it’s great if you lost your copy of AC/DC Highway to Hell or Cher’s Greatest Hits, Fioana Apple’s first three albums. Anything else, anything the least bit RARE is gone by now. (And done bother asking for image cue or FLAC.)

          Shit I remember seeing a whole Tzadik Discography at one time.
          Like 40GBs…every release of the Tzadik Label. 200/10 S/P ratio.

          It was insane.

      • Anonymous

        KAT is closing down? Where did you hear this piece of news from mate?

        A great torrent site I use on a daily basis is PickTorrent.com

      • GuestNo1

        are you sure? They changed from kickasstorrent to kat. They can change again. Just because they have legal issues, it doesnt mean they will close down. It hapened to demonoid before.

  • Steve

    ……if one site is shut down, a hundred new sites will open…

    This is a common statement that simply is not true anymore… ( I wish it was true)

    Which sites has opened since Megaupload and BTJunkie went down….

    After the Megaupload takedown everything has changed

    • Guest

      Because the MU takedown appears to have bypassed laws, regulations and proper procedures simply because the US says to do so.

      • Fantastic

        Yep just like the one dude in the US they labeled a “Domestic Terrorist” so they could abuse federal powers to go after him. People are scared if they can just make up nonsense like some trumped up RICO charges like with Kim Dotcom who’ll either never see a court date or get sent to a Kangaroo Court run by some appointee/former MAFIAA lobbyist/attorney. And while its scary…we’ve gotta fight lest the world be turned to a total land of censorship with only the “entertainment” that Hollywood deems fit shoved down our throats.

        • Anonymous

          Kangaroo’s are in Australia not New Zealand… jk

      • Andres Spiaggi

        MU was taken down because mayor companies wouldn’t have Dotcom make better deals with artists.

        • AndresKnowsNothing

          You must be retarded. The investigation started before Kim even thought of Megabox. Get your facts right and stop spreading rumours after reading an article of speculation on Techcrunch.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          He isn’t retarded in the slightest, AndresKnowsNothing. The fact is that MegaBox had been on the drawing board for nearly 2 years…. well BEFORE the investigation started.

          I personally do think that MegaBox scared the big media companies shitless and they pushed the government to do anything and everything, legal or not, to stop it.

          By doing that however, they just might have left the government open to lawsuits.

        • Guessing

          Oh there is “investigation on any site the few entertaining corporations does not like any way. You are right. they have MU raided because they can not stomach the artists getting 90% of the deal with MU.

    • BoSNiaN

      Yah because we automatically hear of new sites opening up right?

      ….No. It takes them time to become popular and get some spotlight.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Agreed, however I do think that the ‘new sites opening up’ when one dies/is shut down has slowed down in the past few months.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/DWTJR5SDTI3EVSHRJYKHRO5KV4 Uh Huh!

        Which is the whole point.
        There’s huge gaps in between the fall of one and the rise of another.

        Oh well, make copies of all your stuff and wait for the next big ‘un, I guess.
        (twiddles thumbs)

    • Ciacco

      http://anonyupload.com
      At least one is born.

    • Mocell

      it’s only been a few weeks starting a cyber locker is not as easy as starting a torrent site but they will come if not just for fact that there is alot of money to be made.. yesterday I found a bt junkie clone.

      http://www.torlock.com/

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        True….. a torrent site needs only a server or two….. a filelocker needs MANY DOZENS of servers.

        • Mortor

          A torrent need a server or two unless you got the Pirate bay traffic. Then you need big irons and a lot of Band even though the amount of data is not that big and it is not free!

    • Chronoss2008

      haha you all funny
      all that’s happening is its become encrypted at all ends and neat ways to hide stuff
      if you don’t know how or have access it is because you got too big a mouth…DO NOT worry when you fight and get the laws changed we will be there for you…..

      NOW you will have time to go out there and get in there faces more..i suggest you go fight for the rights you write about.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nah-Nood/1455686089 Nah Nood

    um like so what if they ALL close down except for Pirate Bay? At least they will alwaysbe around. lol

    • DannyUfonek

      “The Galaxy’s most resilient BT site”

      • Anonymous

        …is what they’ll say five hundred years from now, if copyright keeps existing…8)

        • Really

          In the galaxy far far away….

  • h33t

    cyberlocker is about money is why they got closed

    torrents is about sharing

    money is the corrupting influence, do NOT paint me black because i share

    *share because you care*

    • Guest

      I don’t share, and I don’t care. I just want to download my games.

      • Your mom

        Morons like you ruin torrent community.

        • Tom

          That’s 90% of the torrent community then.

        • Guest

          No, people like me are the majority of the torrent community. We don’t upload anything, and we just want to get stuff for free.

          We’re the majority. We are what the torrent community is based on. That can upset you as much as you want, but that doesn’t change facts.

      • Mortor

        We recognized you troll paid by the industry.

        Don’t bother asshole!

        • Guest

          … You want to rethink that? How is he a pay-troll?

          Dude, some people just pirate because they’re cheap. They’re going to feel fine saying it over the internet because it’s anonymous. That doesn’t make them pay trolls.

    • http://www.alexseo.se Alexander Edbom

      You need money to run a popular website and defend it against MAFFIA.

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  • Toto

    Who cares about torrent sites when we have DHT?

    • Tonybalony44

      how are you going to search for files to download with no sites?

      • Anonymous

        Boggle.

        A) Individual users keep the files on their own computers. It’s not stored on big sites. That’s the essence of bittorrent.

        B) Peer indexing has already been created for bittorrent. Like DHT when there’s an actual need for it it will become the standard.

        C) “sites” running indexing does nothing more than speeding up the finding process. emule and Gnutella have no problems running indexing and search without centralization. I’m surprised people forgot this.

  • Rohe

    The bigger question is: why do you even need sites? Isn’t the technology already there to create “magnet indexes” to search via p2p? Its clear that the nasties target those who aggregate. If there is nobody left to aggregate, there is nobody to target. They will always claim someone is making money with linking or indexing, and if tech takes away this “lie” then it will be much harder for them to shake it down.

    • h33t

      the reason why we are still using centralised sites is because of the issues surrounding verification of contents

      aggregation or indexing has its own uses but is nothing to do with the why of centralised services in the bittorrent ecology

      trusted uploaders/sources are an issue for clients because the prerequisite market behaviours are not yet in place mainly because none of the big aggregators has moved to solve the issue (perhaps fearing for their own business models, i dont know why they are not investing in the sharing ecology)

      what i do know is that people are paying very close attention to the problem and the next 12 months will be very interesting, especially since the grail of streaming cloud content clients is now top of the agenda

    • Anonymous

      That is exactly what I was thinking. Maybe some kind of program that would be like LimeWire and a web browser to find magnet links.

  • Fantastic

    I remember this kinda talk going around when Mininova basically “closed shop”… things just moved on.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/DWTJR5SDTI3EVSHRJYKHRO5KV4 Uh Huh!

      When Mininova closed, there were already other sites waiting in the wings to absorb their users and take off. Do you see that happening now? I don’t.

  • Anonymous

    Well, let’s start inventing the next generation of file sharing protocols before it actually happens.

  • Emily

    why im using emule now :-)

    • harry krishna

      i would gladly use emule; well actually amule since i’m linux, but haven’t found a way to do it for free

      • Zoie

        just get a vpn, may cost a little a month but there u go

      • Sri Fuckyou

        Off topic… fuck this rabbit krishna thing and stop spreading it! This is a fucking cult with history of murders, children/women being raped in their temple. Their chanting to purify oneself is bullshit. When you die you just die. The exotic planets they call home is all myth

      • Mordor

        What are you talking about? Emule is open source and free.

  • Alyssa Blindy

    The torrent world is the game of evolution. Survival of the fittest.

    • Hopenot

      Meaning MAFIAA may win since they have resources and power?

      • Mortor

        No. MAFFIA will die since they are trying to dry the ocean. Nobody never made it so far.

      • Alyssa Blindy

        No, no. You interpreted me wrong. I meant that the sites which have the most power (the fittest sites) will survive the longest. Survival of the fittest, you see?

  • diogenes

    an organized effort to instill terror in a group of people whose actions one wishes to control or punish.

    is such the role of government? or terrorists? how sadly ironic.

    talk about illegitimate. hope fades as the buggy-whip make outlaws of the internal combustion guys.

    in a rational world (sic) this couldn’t happen. haha.

    • Noemail

      It’s govenrment’s responsibility to enforce law, no matter how you twist it.
      Reducing freedom on a whim of various groups, such as ProtectIP Act, COICA for instance, is another story.

  • http://girlspictures.tumblr.com/ Elizabeth Eberhard

    Some are shutting down, other are opening up shop. I for one, in the light of the new events with Pirate Bay and btjunkie, am making plans to startup a new sharing site. And as you said, with magnet links, it will be easier to move or spawn new mirrors in case of trouble

    • Tonybalony44

      can you name a single new torrent site in the last 60 days? didn’t think so

      • http://girlspictures.tumblr.com/ Elizabeth Eberhard

        http://que.la/ was launched 31st of january ( no, not an endorsement, just an aswer to your question )

        • mr.kav

          thanks for the link, interesting concept

        • Anonymous

          Then there’s the problem of trusting a site you don’t know…
          Who’s on the other end of that torrent? Who knows, right?

        • http://girlspictures.tumblr.com/ Elizabeth Eberhard

          but if you take things so pesimisticaly than you can’t trust most of the internet sites out there.

      • GuestNo1

        Well, PBT wasn’t taken down. Do you know every new website, or just torrent site?

      • Mortor

        Stop paid corporate troll. And stop changing your name.

  • http://profiles.google.com/artfulldragon TL Dragon

    *yawn*

    Same bullcrap as always. The folks who never planned to stand up, and the schmucks making crazy money off stuff are who always end up falling by the wayside.

    BTJunkie, again, I loved them but they were never really down for the fight. There was no pretense that they were either. They can’t all take the risks and stand that they boys at the TPB have, and their is no shame in that. If you can’t swim in deep waters, then you hop out of the pool before you hit the deep end. Doesn’t say anything vast about the site or the overall scene.

    I have said it before, and I will say it again, all the MU situation has done is slapped some folks in the face and brought home that no longer can it be assumed or ignored that there is a safe harbor from Hollywood money. This is an inconvenience at best for we who hoist the colors and hold tight to the belief that sharing is caring. In the end, it’s an awesome thing for us.

    Why?

    They have screwed with the big boys and their “free” money. It’s not chump change either. No way in hell are they walking away from the kind of money a cyberlocker makes.

    So, thank you Hollywood for setting a fire under the ass of file sharing innovation. What was once a dim thought of a need in the future is now a pressing need for the immediate future. Random vague idea’s are about to become very solid realities.

    Money, it shore do motivate don’t it?? Yo Ho Mf’ers. :)

  • curiousgeorge

    do they have kangaroo courts in Austrailia? just wondering …

  • Truth Teller

    ““Because so-called piracy enabled by the Internet and media consumption is not a zero-sum game, a download does not equal a lost sale, and what pirates really want is not necessarily free as in beer, but free as in speech and convenience.””

    Yet, what they obtain is free as in beer, and not free as in speech. Your free speech “rights” don’t extend to the works of others. It’s a pretty simple concept. Unless you can grok that, you are pretty much doomed to not grasp the situation.

    If all you want is free speech, open a forum and chat away freely.

    If you want a free movie, remember that is the same as free beer (because someone had to pay to produce it for you).

    • harry krishna

      the movie will still be on the site, whether i watch it or not. i don’t rent video or go to the movies, so where is the lost sale?

      • Really

        Because you would buy or rent it if you couldn’t download it. Simple.

        • Anonymous

          “Because you would buy or rent it if you couldn’t download it. Simple.”

          Simple, yes…and also false.

          The effects of downloading has been studied and a great many scientific peer-reviewed studies done on it. The net effect of filesharing on sales is zero – or as close to zero as to be impossible for scientific analysis to note.

          You keep repeating the same argument over and over. Be advised your argument is false and that fact does not agree with you on this.

        • Really

          @Scary_Devil_Monastery

          I say same thing because it’s true. You’re coming with different idiotic arguments each time.
          Show me the source of the studies.
          What fact doesn’t agree with me, so I can be better advised? Is it you or the crap you’re smoke talking?
          Try using smaller words. Your flowery drivel doesn’t make you right. You look funny already with your fatuous upshots.

        • Anonymous

          I say same thing because it’s true. You’re coming with different idiotic arguments each time.”

          No, you say the same clueless nonsense each time because you think your opinion is correct. I come with a slew of arguments actually backed by evidence.

          http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/Studies_on_file_sharing

          You will find links to about an even dozen peer-reviewed scientific studies on that page alone.

          Personally I believe you’re just trolling, but that’s all right…from my point of view you just present a perfect backdrop to illustrate the wrongs of IP.

        • Floppy Copy

          If people couldn’t download, they would still share. Humans have been doing it since the dawn of time, long before the internet ever existed. Sharing will never end… ever.

        • Really

          @Scary_Devil_Monastery
          I know it’s correct. Do you know your is correct?
          Do you know how those studies were conducted? Do you think those institutuions have means to verify claims? All those studies were anonymous. Do you think they verified if those pirates bought a product after getting it illegaly? The so called facts are statemets from little prates who will do anything to defend their actions. How reliable they are? Just as much as your incoherent mumble.

          Here are facts, not statements from little twats like yourself

          http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/mar/28/global-recorded-music-sales-fall
          http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-30-how-bad-is-pc-piracy-really-article

          Witcher had 1 millions sales, over 4.5 millions copies were pirated. How good is this for the company?

          How many people are going to buy a movie after they already watched it? Can you answer this honestly?

          I dont know if you’re trolling. If so, you doing it retarded way. It’s not funny, nor irritating. Just plain stupid.

        • Really

          Wrongs of IP? What are you smoking now?

        • NOTROLL

          STOP TROLLING YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME.

        • Guest

          MAFIAA troll doesn’t accept truth. News at 11.

    • http://profiles.google.com/daniel142005 Daniel Weisinger

      “If you want a free movie, remember that is the same as free beer (because someone had to pay to produce it for you).”

      Not quite. This maybe true as far as people recording movies while they are still in theaters, but if someone was to buy the movie, rip it, then share it with others it’s in no way the same as free beer. Free beer is a physical item. It had to be produced. A digital copy doesn’t require physical materials, and you can not prove that just because person X watched the movie they were going to go out and buy it to begin with.

      Either way, for a lot of us it isn’t about the “free beer”. It’s much simpler than that. In other words, we are tired of being over charged for VIRTUAL goods, especially when hardly any of that profit goes to the actors/artists. I would happily pay $3 for DVD quality and $5 for BR quality movies, given that there is no DRM, and I can download them and watch them later as often as I want. Services like Netflix would work too, but only if they were to have the latest releases. Even if the latest releases on Netflix added $8 or so a month. It’s still a hell of a lot cheaper than cable/satellite, or buying 1 dvd per month.

      Not that it really matters anymore. The media companies have already shot themselves in the foot. I will NEVER buy a dvd from them again. If it comes down to it, I’ll just rent from Redbox and rip the dvd myself that night, because if even Redbox is saying screw you to the media companies, then it’s obvious there is a serious problem.

      • Mistr-l

        lets use advances technology to reduplicate beer out of frequency dispositions, and sell them back to the companies..lol.. the craziest ideas, often are the ideas that make the most sense..

        • Really

          “And maybe some wouldn’t buy it if they couldn’t see it first. ”

          Yea sure. They gonna buy a movie after they watch it. So say 12 year-old kids.

        • Anonymous

          @Really

          “”And maybe some wouldn’t buy it if they couldn’t see it first. ”

          Yea sure. They gonna buy a movie after they watch it. So say 12 year-old kids.”

          And the scientific community, since every study performed and peer-reviewed has come to that exact conclusion – that the “lost sale” does not exist and that sales are not affected by filesharing.

        • Really

          @Scary_Devil_Monastery

          And you keep saying same thing over and over….
          Show me the proof. So far it’ nothing but incoherent mumble.

          Ask game developers what they think about piracy.

        • Anonymous

          @Really

          “And you keep saying same thing over and over….
          Show me the proof. So far it’ nothing but incoherent mumble.”

          http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/Studies_on_file_sharing

          There are links to the studies performed on behalf of the Dutch government, as part of a Norwegian study on filesharing performed at the Oslo university of trade, and by the Canadian Department of industry.

          I could care less what game developers “think” of file sharing while Valve games is making them money hand over fist, with pirates being primary users of the service.

          What I do care about is that I have a dozen links to studies commissioned by governments, universities and think tanks which all come to the same overwhelming conclusion. That you are wrong in all respects.

          http://www.ivir.nl/publicaties/vaneijk/Ups_And_Downs_authorised_translation.pdf

          But I assume a few boatloads of doctorates can’t reach up to the weighty importance of your personal opinions, eh?

        • Really

          @Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “I could care less what game developers “think” of file sharing ”

          Of course you dont. You think what is convenient for you

          “Valve games is making them money hand over fist, with pirates being primary users of the service”

          Say it in english. Is there a one think you said that made sense?

          I answered already the rest. Look it up. It’ll be easier if you stop repeating same tthings over and over.

        • Anonymous

          “I answered already the rest. Look it up. It’ll be easier if you stop repeating same tthings over and over.”

          Translated: “I have no intent at all to answer established fact or actual evidence since I’m here only for the benefit of my personal opinion and hogwild trolling”

          Your inability and unwillingness to actually check the prof you asked for when provided is duly noted.

          And I’m afraid I’ll keep repeating the facts since they happen not to change irrespective of what you personally want to believe.

        • Anonymous

          @Really

          “@Scary_Devil_Monastery
          I know it’s correct. Do you know your is correct?
          Do you know how those studies were conducted? Do you think those institutuions have means to verify claims? All those studies were anonymous. Do you think they verified if those pirates bought a product after getting it illegaly? The so called facts are statemets from little prates who will do anything to defend their actions. How reliable they are? Just as much as your incoherent mumble.”

          As regards incoherence you have no claims.

          Yes, i know how those studies were conducted. well enough to pass a peer review. In other words what you are saying is that a few dozen tenured professors apparently don’t know their fields of expertise as well as you do after looking at a few public articles published by the industry in a magazine.

          Yes, the institutions in questions can verify those claims. At least in the same manner that institutes can verify the theory of gravity. By empirical observation.
          Apparently you seem to think scientific paradigm is overturned by personal opinion without fact. What these studies claim is, in effect, that the software company selling 1 million copies wouldn’t have magically sold more copies if there weren’t 4.5 million illegal copies floating around.

          And they make that claim by observing exactly such effects.

          The net effects of pirates has been included in those studies. That, after all, was the POINT in those studies. Generally speaking, an enthusiast who pirates will purchase as far as his wallet allows. That’s what enthusiasts do. Not even the media industry disputes that.

          The casual downloader wouldn’t buy the game anyway. The net effect which remains is marketing. Which is also what every credible (scientifically conducted) study concluded.

          As much as I dislike trolls, I find feeding you bizarrely entertaining.

        • Really

          Translated: “I have no intent at all to answer established fact or actual evidence

          What facts? That a movie is free to grab by everyone? Who established that fact other than you? You admitted yourself in another post it’s against the law to download movies, then wha fact would it be other than your sick mind?

          And I’m afraid I’ll keep repeating the fact
          You never bring any facts other than big words from thesaurus.

          All you do here is pathetic trolling.

        • Really

          Yes, i know how those studies were conducted.

          Well, then do tell us.

          In other words what you are saying is that a few dozen tenured professors apparently don’t know their fields of expertise

          That’s not what i said. Once again you prove your thesaurus words means nothing.

          software company selling 1 million copies wouldn’t have magically sold more copies if there weren’t 4.5 million illegal copies floating around.

          Wrong again. From those 4.5 million people, there would be significant number who would buy the game if they couldn’t get it for free. It’s not magic, it’s logic, which is all the same to you anyway.

          I find feeding you bizarrely entertaining

          I knew you’re having time of your life. After all, trolling is all you’ve got.

        • Kporgaltmail

          @Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Well I have to admit, my own personal crusade against pirates seems to have blinded me from actual fact. After looking up the definition of “peer reviewed study” It was finally apparent what “facts” were and how they were established as facts. Knowing this, its very plain to see the studies you mentioned might be a closer approximation of what happens in the real world than the fantasy put forth by big media corporations, a fantasy I was willing to believe and fight for. I’m truly sorry if I offended you in my haste to prove myself, and I hope to spread these new-found facts to others who believed as I once did.

          I owe you a debt of gratitude for opening my eyes. Your perseverance and overwhelming logic were powerful motivators.

          I will take my leave of this website for good now, so anyone else posting as me is probably just trying to continue on in my name, don’t let them fool you. Goodbye.

      • Really

        “A digital copy doesn’t require physical materials, and you can not prove that just because person X watched the movie they were going to go out and buy it to begin with.”

        Can you prove it they wouldn’t buy it if they wouldn’t download it for free? Maybe some, but some would buy it, if it wasn’t available for free on the internet.

        • Cord

          And maybe some wouldn’t buy it if they couldn’t see it first.

        • Anonymous

          There are actually half a dozen scientific studies proving exactly that. The swiss and the Dutch governments cited those studies as a reason for their refusal to sharpen existing laws regarding downloading copies of copyrighted material.

          The “lost sale” hypothesis has been very thoroughly debunked by the scientific community. The net effect of illegal downloading is so small as to be unmeasurable by scientific enquiry.
          Even the flat earth theory has more credibility than the “lost sale” hypothesis right now.

          So yes. Some would buy, some would not, but the net effect in sales equals zero. Whatever “lost sales” exist balance nicely with the ones who purchase the media after downloading it for free.

          Your arguments are based on demonstrably false premises.

        • Really

          @Scary_Devil_Monastery

          You still talking the same things over and over. And you still fail to prove it. Perhaps you could use common sense, your brain, should you have one. People download stuff for free because they have that option so they don’t have to pay for it. Was it unavailable, a lot of them would purchase it. You can use twisted logic all you want. If theere was nothing to download, they would rent or buy a lot of movies they get it for free instead. No matter what nonsense you spit here.

        • Anonymous

          “You still talking the same things over and over. And you still fail to prove it. “

          http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/Studies_on_file_sharing

          I don’t have to prove my point since others have already done so. You will find references to a few dozen credible studies in the link above.
          Honestly, you’ve just descended into wild trolling at this point.

        • Really

          http://www.laquadrature.net/wi

          I don’t have to prove my point since others have already done so. You will find references to a few dozen credible studies in the link above.
          Honestly, you’ve just descended into wild trolling at this point.

          I already said how much reliable that source is, and you still talk about it like it never happened. You’re pathetic little troll who has a time of his life.

      • Truth Teller

        If you have a problem with where the money goes, perhaps you should stop pirating and start a campaign for more “artist rights”. When you pirate, what little would have gone to the artists (in your view) is gone completely. So Hollywood may have deprived them of some, but you have now as well.

        It is “free as in beer” because quite simply, it’s not about free speech. If it was only speech you could do what you are doing right now. It’s about getting a free movie, and until people accept that, it’s hard to move forward. You can couch it in terms of “artist rights” or “I was overcharged” but that’s just an excuse.

        If you are being overcharged, just don’t buy it. Oh, but don’t pirate it either, because the price tag being larger than you like doesn’t justify it.

        • Anonymous

          Well, if the artists are backing legislation which will impact free speech in general, then they deserve to starve in the streets as far as I’m concerned.

          And if the price of depriving hollywood of 1 dollar means the artist doesn’t get his 2 cents, then that too is a worthwhile trade.

          And if you don’t want people to copy an item of information, then keep it secret in the first place. Or learn to survive in a market where copying is a recognized paradigm.

          Honestly, given your arguments, I’m wondering how purveyors of bottled water manage to make a living since they sell “items” where the competition is “free” tap water as well.

        • Really

          Well, if the artists are backing legislation which will impact free speech in general, then they deserve to starve in the streets as far as I’m concerned.

          And if the price of depriving hollywood of 1 dollar means the artist doesn’t get his 2 cents, then that too is a worthwhile trade.

          And if you don’t want people to copy an item of information, then keep it secret in the first place. Or learn to survive in a market where copying is a recognized paradigm.

          Honestly, given your arguments, I’m wondering how purveyors of bottled water manage to make a living since they sell “items” where the competition is “free” tap water as well.

          So much bullshit written with the help of thesaurus. It won’t teach you grammar, or common sense.

      • Informed

        Make music, movies…etc. reasonably priced. You’re right D.W. 99 cents for a song that is a crappy 128 mp3? Seriously? DRM won’t let me put my entertainment on a different device? Seriously? Beat me, don’t cheat me Hollywood. Try rereading this if your greedy minds don’t understand the message.

    • fed up with feds

      Troll, schill, and/or moron. Clearly. The smarter people in this world eventually do tire of trying to teach the basics of critical thinking to you morons, but you just refuse to learn, dont you? We are smarter than you, why cant you understand that? We wont be brainwashed because we already know better, we know more, and laugh EVERY time you try to convince us that duplicating equals stealing. If i could duplicate your car, then i would be “stealing” a car? That kind of logic is SO dumb. Blatantly so. To argue that case just completely discredits the person right from square one, so that everything that follows is also easily disregarded. The whole ‘lost sale’ argument is also blatantly disingenuous.. Its like saying if i grow apples, I am costing apple farmers and supermarkets ‘lost sales’ because now i am not buying apples.. Jeesus how hard is that to understand. Intellectual property legislation is a joke, a poorly conceived racketeering protection for big business..

      • Really

        You gotta relax. Throwing insults around proves you’re not as smart as you think.
        Apparently you failed to learn critical thinking yourself. You don’t think what’s right. Right is what you want.

        “If i could duplicate your car, then i would be “stealing” a car? ” Can you? Try it, since you’re so “smart”.

        “if i grow apples, I am costing apple farmers and supermarkets ‘lost sales’ because now i am not buying apples”

        Wrong again. When you grow apples,you become farmer yourself, perhaps on a smaller scale. Can you make movies yourself? Do it, and give it for free to everyone. We’ll be happy to take it, if its any good.

        I don’t defend MAFIAA, i’m agianst their tactics employed. But I won’t justify my actions because I want something. You just make yourself look like a little baby that cries and stomps little feet when want something.

        • Anonymous

          “You gotta relax. Throwing insults around proves you’re not as smart as you think.
          Apparently you failed to learn critical thinking yourself.”

          I smell irony, given the rest of your comments around here..

        • Really

          I smell irony, given the rest of your comments around here..

          Which word you took from thesaurus, since you can’t write anything without it?

    • Jmorse43508

      Your single brain cell is unable to comprehend the fact that copying != stealing.

      Perhaps you and the other MAFIAA trolls are so hopelessly brainwashed that every time this is pointed out to your ilk, you just stick your fingers in your ears and start yelling, much like your MAFIAA puppet masters.

      • Tom

        According to the definition of Data Theft you are wrong.

      • Really

        Just like babies who stick their fingers when someone points out obvious. Getting something for free without permission is stealing. No matter how hard you cry.

        I’m against MAFIAA, but at least i don’t kid myself.

        • Anonymous

          “Getting something for free without permission is stealing.”

          By whose permission? I’m sorry, but the laws of fair use already put paid to your entire line of argument right there.

          What you are saying is in effect that it would be illegal for me to bake cakes from a copied recipe, for my own use and that i should damn well pay Wal-mart for every batch of Oreos i made.

          Your argument is based on false premise and therefore irrelevant.
          The rest of your rhethoric belongs in a sandbox in a kindergarten.

        • Really

          @Scary_Devil_Monastery
          Hey, stop using thesaurus. Words you don’t know don’t make you right.

          I don’t know what happy world you live in, but it’s the copyright owner who gives permission to obtain his product.

          Receipe is not a product. Nobody says you cannot make a cake. However, you cannot go the a store and take the cake for free. Simple logic that you can’t grasp.
          It’s your idiotic arguments that are based on premise that you take everything you want. They are just justification to your needs.

        • Anonymous

          “I don’t know what happy world you live in, but it’s the copyright owner who gives permission to obtain his product.”

          I live in the real world where “copyright” is a word devoid of all relevant meaning where information is concerned.

          In theory, in the world you yourself appear to live in it would be a given that handing over your personal ATM pin number to everyone might not be a factor in you suddenly turning very poor.

          It might surprise you that the real world – in everything from law enforcement to your bank and your insurance company – will not in practice lift a finger to protect you from the resulting poverty should you actually do so.

          The same holds true for any information. “Copyright” is an intent to keep information a secret for only some people, while allowing others to partake. As a concept it’s even more ridiculous than communism.

          Oh, and not everyone needs a thesaurus in order to write english. Just another of the many facts of which you appear to be lacking a damn clue.

        • Anonymous

          “Receipe is not a product. Nobody says you cannot make a cake. However, you cannot go the a store and take the cake for free. Simple logic that you can’t grasp.”

          You don’t even realize how stupid you sound, do you?

          In making a copy of a file I use electricity paid for myself, on a computer I own myself, in order to reconstruct a perfect or near-perfect copy of a template I found elsewhere.

          In short, Yes, to use the metaphor, I AM “baking a cake”. In making said copy I’m doing exactly that – recreating an “item” out of nothing more than a template.

          In short, I’m walking into the store, seeing the cake, going “hmm”, and then go home and create another cake, exactly the same. This is what filesharing – what making a copy – actually means.

          Given your earlier commentaries I suspect you are by now simply trolling. No one is enough of an idiot to confuse a physical item with the information describing a string of ones and zeroes, the way you seem to do.

        • Really

          @Scary_Devil_Monastery,

          Can you stop that nonsense. Youre seriously retarded. You can’t grasp simple facts. Your arguments prove your mental instability. It’s hard to argue with you when you make no sense at all.

          Copyright is not devoid when it comes to movies. Ask any lawyer.
          A movie is not information. It’s a product, result of work and resources.
          You can’t even get that right.

          What about my ATM number? If i give it away nobody will do nothing about it? If you give it away your beloved cake, or a car, will anyone do anything about it? No, because you gave it away yourself.
          How retarded can you be?

          Can you go and hide somewhere. Stop embarrassing yourself.

        • Really

          “You don’t even realize how stupid you sound, do you?”

          Read your own posts, over and over, you’ll see what a retard you are.

          “In making a copy of a file I use electricity paid for myself, on a computer I own myself, in order to reconstruct a perfect or near-perfect copy of a template I found elsewhere.”
          What can I say, you are a retard. Movie is a digital copy, not physical. You don’t make a movie, you just copy someone’s work. The real work was to hire people, act, hold a camera, do special effects, do make up for actors etc etc. Downloading a movie off the internet is not making a movie. It’s stealing it, no matter how hard you try to justify it..

          “In short, I’m walking into the store, seeing the cake, going “hmm”, and then go home and create another cake, exactly the same. This is what filesharing – what making a copy – actually means.”

          Making a movie means hiring actors, directors, and all kinds of crew. Each of them have a job to do. All their work together is making a movie, not stealing it from internet.
          Too much for you to understand?

          ” No one is enough of an idiot to confuse a physical item with the information describing a string of ones and zeroes, the way you seem to do. ”

          No one is this much retarded to confuse making a movie with stealing it.

        • Predator

          “I’m against MAFIAA, but at least i don’t kid myself. ”

          Ya right! you are working for them! How much the pay you by post?

          Go away. Nobody care about your fucking false opinion.

        • Really

          “I’m against MAFIAA, but at least i don’t kid myself. ”

          Ya right! you are working for them! How much the pay you by post?

          Go away. Nobody care about your fucking false opinion.

          Apparently you do

          Opinion cannot be false or true. It’s my opiion, kid.
          Get a false mustage, maybe someone will take you seriously for a few seconds.

        • Anonymous

          @Really

          “What can I say, you are a retard. Movie is a digital copy, not physical. You don’t make a movie, you just copy someone’s work. The real work was to hire people, act, hold a camera, do special effects, do make up for actors etc etc. Downloading a movie off the internet is not making a movie. It’s stealing it, no matter how hard you try to justify it..”

          Better go to the US supreme court then and tell them how wrong they are in their interpretation that making a copy is not, in fact, stealing.

          Since no judge in any court, in any case, has ever accepted your argument it all boils down to you apparently knowing what is theft or not better than any judge or jury.

          And yes, I believe the point I’m making is that i make a copy. The same way humans have copied other humans since we climbed down from the trees. What the real work was in generating a movie is completely irrelevant. The same way it’s completely irrelevant that it took Einstein several years to come up with the formulas of relativity.

          Given your arguments, anyone making use of any such formula should then be paying a royalty and obtaining permission from the copyright holder, and I should be able to withhold you from reading or replying what i wrote simply by a supreme act of will?

          Honestly, by now I’m not sure whether you are simply trolling or if you really are as uninformed as you appear to be. If it’s the former though, I’d advise at least some more creativity. Even the 4chan crowd have more imagination when it comes to insults.

        • Really

          Better go to the US supreme court then and tell them how wrong they are in their interpretation that making a copy is not, in fact, stealing.

          Since it’s your ingenious idea why don’t you go there and bring the news to them.

        • Billy_bindi54

          oh ffs will you two stop your pathetic arguing, its the same bullshit for half a page.

    • Lordoftorture

      This is very bad example. When you drink the beer there is nothing left. When making copy does not take any effort and money there is no trade connection, no loss of product.
      Movies belong in theaters, music in concerts. I spend all my extra cash on those too and download the rest I want. If you dont like it, stop making music and outrageously expensive movies.
      When I type something in a forum, or post picture, or smile, it is nothing but bits of communication. Claiming that you own separate bits is like someone claim they own separate letters or words.
      If we communicate we can exchange information, if you watch, we can hide. What is the point??? I would gladly pay 20$ to access HDTV and Music categories of TPB. Why wouldnt MPAA and RIAA give me what I want?

      • Really

        Wrong, beer is a physical copy. You use it, it’s gone. Digital copy is different. Still, work was done to create it, just like with the beer. Different nature of the product doesn’t give you right to take something for free.

        I use torrents too. At least i don’t kid myself i’m a good guy when i do it.

        • Anonymous

          Basic rule of capitalism – supply and demand sets the price. If you could create a copy of beer with mere thought, the only beer worth paying for would be copy number one.

          Everything else is merely a spin on induced artificial scarcity. Attempted the last time in the way of plan economy. That work was performed to create the original has null and nothing to do with the fact that you are not, nor should you be allowed to keep on charging for everyone making a copy with their own time and resources.

          Any more than a carpenter can expect to be paid by everyone who sits on a chair he’s already sold once.

        • Really

          @Scary_Devil_Monastery,
          conveniet excuse to take something without permission. Not everyone can sit on the same chair at once, When stealling a game or movie, everyone holds the separate copy.
          What you said is a meaningless mishmash to cloud the fact you take something without permission. Did you use thesaurus to scribble all this?

        • Anonymous

          “What you said is a meaningless mishmash to cloud the fact you take something without permission.”

          No, your arguments just don’t make sense. When it comes to information this is what happens:

          1) You give it away to EVERYONE. By playing it on the radio, showing it on TV, or otherwise distributing it in a manner allowing thousands of people to obtain a copy.

          2) As has been an inviolable rule since mankind first learned to talk, what two people know becomes public property. If you want to own information, don’t give it away.

          3) Having already de facto made the information public domain you then turn right around and ask anyone receiving it to pay up. This makes absolutely no sense.

          4) Trying to call this “theft” is utterly ridiculous. Asking people not to make copies of information they find interesting is even more futile. We’ve known this for 4000 years.

          You might ask Thomas Jeffersson about his views on “Intellectual Property” – hell, read anything by the founding fathers, for that matter. You’ll find they don’t agree much with your views.

          By the same token you might read Milton Friedman or any other well-reasoned economist or philosopher of choice. You will find that throughout history the number of educated people willing to call information distribution “theft” or “undesirable” belong to one of two factions – the religious nuts and the socialists.

          “Copyright”, or in fact “Intellectual Property” as a whole is a scam, foisted upon us by cadres of lawyers interested in keeping themselves employed.

          And defending it by attempted sandbox marginalization of everyone who actually knows this doesn’t really make your point either clearer or more relevant.

        • Really

          @Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Hey retard, go away.

          Movie is not information, it’s a product. It’s not easy to get it, but try.

          1. You give it to anyone you want… if you have copyright. TV can show a movie as long as they have permission from copyowner. Ask them.They have to pay for every movie they show.

          2. Movie is not knowing. It’s a product. Just like a car is not knowing. It’s a product as well. Can you be dumber than this?

          3. Still the same thing. How many points you gonna make about the same thing? Did I say you’re retarded?

          4. And again…. Lol

          Philosophical thoughts is information. Movies are product. I know, too hard for some to grasp. But try, then try harder.

          All that nonsense about same thing. Oh yea, you’re retarded.

        • Anonymous

          @Really

          “@Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Hey retard, go away.

          Movie is not information, it’s a product. It’s not easy to get it, but try.”

          Oh really? No, I recently dissected a “movie” it turns out that it’s actually nothing more than 4-5 GB worth of bits on a hard drive. That makes it “mere information”.

          Other items which are “mere information” include things like this post, the US constitution, a body of laws, or the laws of physics. FYI – none of these, or a copy of a movie is a “product” other than as defined as the result of effort. You may very well say that some information holds more meaning and value in some eyes than others, but that is all down to personal opinion.

          The fact that a law somewhere or other stipulates that one .iso file should be seen as a product where another does not doesn’t make it so, but I certainly won’t attempt to persuade you out of your personal opinion.
          I merely hold that a product can be stolen whereas even the supreme court decided that copying a file is not considered theft and that the copy does, in fact, constitute a separate item in itself.

          And the fact that a movie has cost effort to create or that science has cost effort to discover and assemble doesn’t hold any relevance whatsoever in that debate.

          Your personal opinion that anyone who agrees with established fact rather than you is a retard is duly noted. And ignored.

        • Really

          Oh really? No, I recently dissected a “movie” it turns out that it’s actually nothing more than 4-5 GB worth of bits on a hard drive. That makes it “mere information”.

          You’re a troll or a total retard which both are not mutually exclusive. I already explain it to you what a movie is. Data on a disk is just a mean to store that product. Still it’s a product. It didnt’t come from nowhere, like you idiotic drivel. Movies is a result of physical work which is stored on a disk. You can’t get this simple fact, you prove yourself retarded

    • Anonymous

      Since the methods you people try to employ will unavoidably take away that free forum as well, the difference has become moot.

      The war against online infringement effectively became a war against free speech in general when free speech became collateral damage. As SOPA/ACTA would make it.

      My right to communicate in general – my basic civil liberties – are far more important than your right to control who can copy what information.

      I don’t care what justification you think you have. If you attempt to take away everyone’s freedoms as a result you will hear no argument from me when someone puts a bullet between your eyes for trying.

    • Really

      @Floppy Copy
      Of course they have. They shared programs long before computers existed… But that’s not the point here.

    • NOTROLL

      NO NEED TO CHANGE YOUR NAME REALLY. WE KNOW IT’S YOU.

      • Really

        No need for caps. They don’t make you look bigger.

  • Laurent

    Is BitTorrent Done?

    Nope!

    We have these magnet links!

    Meanwhile we still have and will continue to have the PirateBay.

    This one will continue until the operators decide to start something else.

    Plus we have all these stand alone client /server application such as Limewire

    Finally even if these entertainment clown kill the internet I don’t see anyone go back to do business with them anymore. So There is no hope for them.

    Thanks to the entertainment industry actions everyone now can see clearly what is wrong with the corporate world and what we need to do to fix it.

    A lot of us are now determined to fix it form both sides.

    • Tremor

      F-in magnets, how do they work. I swear it’s magic.

    • Mistr-l

      kill the pirating, and people will just start mailing them out instead in retaliation

      • Anonymous

        Sneaker net would make a serious come back if the net disappeared, it’s not like people were not sharing files before the days of the internet.

        As such, the copyright war is already won before it even started.

      • Anonymous

        kill the pirating, and people will just start mailing them out instead in retaliation

        What, distribute binaries in e-mail text bodies? you mean Usenet?

        • Really

          Welcome to 21 century. Usenet is not about binaries in email anymore.

        • Anonymous

          @Really

          Unless they radically altered the usenet infrastructure then yes, it is. That never changed. Basically in all essential functionality usenet remains one giant email/news server.

        • Really

          Unless they radically altered the usenet infrastructure then yes, it is. That never changed. Basically in all essential functionality usenet remains one giant email/news server.

          Learn how it works, then talk, idiot. Data is not send to your email. That’s not how major usenet service works.

  • Moonsurfer_1

    Bittorrent isn’t done, if anything it will be driven more underground…

    • Guest

      Exactly. It’s impossible to ban something, it will just go underground.

      • Really

        So says suprnova, torrentspy etc

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/DWTJR5SDTI3EVSHRJYKHRO5KV4 Uh Huh!

      More than 6 feet underground means you’re essentially ‘done’.
      Not saying that’s what happened, just…Google Abbie Hoffman.

  • ^^

    TF Question: Is BitTorrent Done? Major Torrent Sites Consider Shutting Down

    ^^ Answer: BitTorrent is done when bay and noid shut down.

    • Gargamel

      I seriously laughed out loud when I read this LOL.

      Stay on the The ShitBay and Demonoid where you belong lol.

      • Rblsvlcx

        Aww… you stay on your ELITE, PRIVATE tracker, so when the feds come knocking, your mails, IPs and whatever other info they got on you is given freely to them on a nice list.

        Gawd, the idiocy.

      • Really

        Why don’t stick to cartoon channel where you belong

  • Anonymous

    .torrent going away is no big deal. Even I find myself getting my stuff from the sneakernet, or stripping HQ VEVO music vids of their audio more and more. Tech’s just changing again, and the RIAA/MPAA who have a shit history of keeping up will once again be left in the dust.

  • foff

    A torrent site is nothing more then a few servers in a data center somewhere and owners and admin of sites are spread out and if smart very anonymous. The Fbi can’t do some flashy commando ala megaupload crap on a torrent site. Most make in the thousands if that certainly not in the millions, so there is very little to seize and thus they could not throw all those wild criminal charges at a torrent site, if there is no money involved to speak of how could they make a case that it is a criminal enterprise?

    So stop being so fucking paranoid torrent admins you don’t need to worry.

    • Really

      Ever heard of suprnova, torrentspy, BTjunkie…?

  • Mr Grumpy

    If you want to get to the heart of the argument then lets do it.

    Only n00bs use web-fail BitTorrent sites and by that I mean public sites.

    There are ‘good’ sites out there such as sceneaccess and feedthenet but even those sites end up with a select few ruining the experience for all because they believe that they’re above FTP’S and scene dumps when they’re also P2P fags.

    There’s too many arrogant n00bs on BitTorrent sites and the increase of closures is only a sign of good things to come especially for those with real axx xD !

    Discuss.

    • Asdf

      Let’s discuss the use of xD and n00bs when trying to make a point on the internet.

      • Mr Grumpy

        Discuss then?

        Oh wait, you’re a n00b.

        • Anonymous

          Did you just ‘like’ your own comment? Weak, dude.

    • Lakisha

      so what do i need that public sites don’t have and elite snobs sites like ur a member of do? I mean first of all private sies = ratio sites. Second of all I don’t see anything else I am missing that public sites don’t have. Third of all, it sounds like ur the snob going by ur comment im responding to..

    • http://twitter.com/Pigfarmer44 Simon Bee

      What the fuck are you talking about.

      Discuss? Discuss what? if you really want a comment on the drivel you have just spouted itg has to be that you sound like a 13 yr old wannabee know nothing little prick. there you go, I have discussed.

    • ?_?

      Let the virgin get some online validation.

    • Really

      arrogant noobs like those acting tough and knowing everything. You think private sites are all invincible? Only arrogant noobs would say so. They’re off MAFIAA radar since they’re not as populated as private websites. Should they want to go against them, it would be same story as with public sites.

  • Asdf

    THE BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU

  • Tsockiav

    KAT and torrentreactor will be the two that go

    • Emily

      would have to see to believe…

  • Omnisvalidus

    Piracy has existed since the first technology that permited copying rolled off the production line.

    Even if all the torrent sites shut down tomorrow something else would take their place, whether it be DHT or something new.

    It is human nature to share information. It will never be stopped..

  • Asdasdasd

    Who uses public trackers anymore?

    • Really

      why don’t you go there and see yourself. Like it’s much safer with private trackers…But hey, whatever makes you feel big

      • Anonymous

        And the selection on these precious private trackers is shit anyways.

  • noko

    For anyone who doesn’t know, uTorrent has a function which you need to enable under the metadata which allows it to function as a tracker.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/YCWAOR35URLIPUUTYQ5XHLZIH4 Spam

    All hail the Amerikanische Kriegsmaschinerie!

  • mcgee

    i wouldn’t doubt it goes as far as; kinect software mashing with cable VOD, to adjust prices based on how many people are watching their content.

  • Anonymous

    “The fact that a German citizen can be arrested in New Zealand upon request from the US authorities signaled that regardless of local laws, people connected to file-sharing sites have become a global target.”

    This is a totally false statement 12 countries were involved in “the bust” #learnthefacts

    • Mistr-l

      geesh! i guess we know who truly rules the worl d huh?

    • Really

      So 12 countries makes it less global?

  • Anonymous

    Self-censorship. It’s the absolute best that the copyright monopolies could hope for.

    Think about it! Once upon a time, they could give themselves their hundred year previledges, legally extinguish the public domain, promote or punish their in-house political hacks, strong arm artists into trading away their rights for a pittance, charge their extortionate unearned monopoly premiums on distribution, call themselves good corporate citizens as they re-interpreted constitutional rights for their benefit rather than that of human beings, all with practically no social or political resistence.

    Today, at any one moment in time, two hundred million people (that we know of because they’ve been counted) , are loudly saying NO to the proposition that the monopoly previledges of this copyright industry should continue to be enshrined in law. Are there less disgraced political hacks than the backers of the copyright industry? What means the history of SOPA and PIPA, but that the internet has begun finally to organize and focus hitherto unthinkable mass political opposition to the preffered policies of the copyright industry?

    Are these trends likely to improve in the copyright industries favor, or are they more likely to worsen in the near future?

    Despite all of Kim Dotcom’s and Mega Uploads achievements, (with all due respect),
    these are not the competitive standards or the competitive entities that the copyright industry has been wise to fear. The copyright industry is like a powerful, but beached whale, surrounded by a huge swarm of smaller compettitors who are consuming it one bite at a time.

    What matters is not which individual smaller competitor survives or doesn’t survive; but, rather, that the beached whale is fully consumed and that its irrelevance become fully transparant. In this context, the copyright industry’s assault on Mega Upload is one of many likely attacks against the swarm of smaller competitors that torment it.

    There are many ways in which Mega Upload was not the most compelling argument for what the future of competition against the copyright industry will look like.

    Will the assault against Mega Upload scare these new competitors?

    You bet!

    Will it scare them to the extent that they stop competing? Not likely, because within that very large swarm of smaller and newer competitors are many whose standards of creativeness, security, toughness, adaptation, intelligence and resistence are far beyond anything represented by Mega Upload. While the the slow and weak run slowly for the exits, these smaller, faster. tougher, smarter upstarts, will be busy defining what the internet of the future will lool like without a copyright monopoly.

    Let’s not be too quick to self-censure. That might be the one effective way in which we might yank failure out of the jaws of success.

    • Truth Teller

      It isn’t self-censorship – censorship would imply that they are giving up some free speech right, which is not the case here. You don’t have the “right” to pirate.

      Further, it’s just an expression of the risk / reward scenerios at there very best. Being a significant and obvious cog in the process of piracy isn’t exactly a high reward job anymore, with fewer and fewer companies willing to pay for advertising, fewer hosts willing to accept the sites, and the overhang of US government action worldwide… these guys are wisely taking the exits before they get the knock on the door.

      Remember, guilty or innocent, they can spend years getting dragged through the legal mud. There is no real upside.

      There will always be private trackers and the like, but more and more, the public faces of the “piracy revolution” are realizing that they are just making themselves in to targets, and nobody wants to be the one with the red laser in the middle of their foreheads.

  • Mistr-l

    up fo sale http://www.made-downloads.com comes with alternate domain extensions. getting out of the game, and into something else. it will need about 4 more hours of programming to produce hash values, and tracker or scrape statuses. I hate to sell it, but such is life. comes with .org and .info as well as unhyphenated name.

  • Mephitus

    easy answer;

    http://vo.do/

    so no.. torrent isnt done

    • goo

      people use bittorrent so they don’t have to pay

      • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

        Perhaps you do. I use them for convenience. With bittorrent, I can find everything I want easily, by browsing or searching well constructed, easily navigated and quick sites. I can download it quickly, play it at my convenience, enjoy it without lost or delayed packets, choose between a variety of qualities, get it shortly after release, and never read a screen telling me that my ip-address is of the wrong nationality. Those are just a few of the advantages. If the MAFIAA offered anything close to the same convenience and quality of service, I’d be happy to pay for it.

        I already buy much of the content I enjoy, both on CD, DVD and, not least, through paying for cable, once it finally becomes available where I live. Of course, I download more than I ever end up actually watching, listening to, or otherwise enjoy or use. I never deliberately go and purchase that, nor should I. Some of what I download also turn out to be crappy content, which I also don’t, nor should, purchase. Importantly, torrenting allows me to sample content that I would never have paid money to sample, and thus never known to appreciate, and I end up buying it at some point.

        All in all, I doubt that torrenting has saved me so much as a penny. In fact, it’s probably caused me to spend much more on content than I otherwise would have.

    • Asshat McFuckyou

      I fucking HATE it when a site pretends a purchase is a donation. No dude, if you have to pay in order to get the product, then it ain’t no voluntary purchase. Goddamn non-profiteers.

  • Intellectualdiot

    Where’s the section of this site dedicated to nuanced, conciliatory debate over this complicated issue? All I can hear from both sides is that the other side’s stance is patently reprehensible. There’s the very real issue of consumer freedom and the necessity of artists and intermediaries (or businesses if you’re unfortunate enough to have to deal on their terms) to embrace the malleability of a culture now completely immersed in an age digital consumption, but it seems to have been obscured by all the rhetoric and blind contempt.

    • Strychnine

      Fuck me, did you get a thesaurus? I think *you* are obscuring this in rhetoric :)

      • Really

        Lol

    • Guest

      Conciliatory debate? There’s absolutely no room for a conciliatory debate with the mafia.

      And by the way, when we say their side is patently reprehensible we can actually back it up with facts.

      When they say our side is patently reprehensible, they always fail to back it up with anything.

      That’s a slight difference.

    • Anonymous

      Basically, when the copyright side decided on methods in combating infringement which are as far-reaching and harmful to everyone as, for example, SOPA and ACTA, then the debate died. It’s a bit like trying to have a sensible argument with people who believe that it’s valid to abolish the right of trial with jury for everyone because trespassing has become a widespread phenomenon.

      This is why the filesharing debate nowadays stands on the same pedestal as normal civil rights – since the latter is being targeted as collateral damage as a side effect of the actions taken to combat the former.

      SOPA was meant to be legislation for combating infringement, for instance – but it would have accomplished this by overturning centuries of basic common law precepts as far as anything digital was concerned.

      There is no longer a philosophical fence to sit on. It’s one trench or the other.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/DWTJR5SDTI3EVSHRJYKHRO5KV4 Uh Huh!

        “… by overturning centuries of basic common law precepts as far as anything digital was concerned.”

        I didn’t know digital had been around for centuries.
        Thanks for that.

        • Anonymous

          Digital has not of course.

          However, basic law regarding how people can communicate and the protections of those laws have been around for centuries. Despite attempts to abolish said laws every time new tech was invented. Such as the printing press for instance.

          And the point remains that as far as the digital realm goes, every last one of those law precepts is endangered. Which becomes a major problem given that the digital realm has become a major part of what communication is all about.

      • Really

        Digital has not of course.

        However, basic law regarding how people can communicate and the protections of those laws have been around for centuries. Despite attempts to abolish said laws every time new tech was invented. Such as the printing press for instance.

        And the point remains that as far as the digital realm goes, every last one of those law precepts is endangered. Which becomes a major problem given that the digital realm has become a major part of what communication is all about.

        Stop using thesaurus and learn basic grammar, clown

  • http://p5.myopenid.com/ P5

    If more trackers close, that will only lead us to a more distributed P2P ecosystem. (Which is for the better I think.)
    Perhaps it’s time to take another look at Tribler again.

  • Anonymous

    If only the shitty, filthy, corrupt US government worried about things that actually matter as much as they do file sharing! Imagine they actually cared about eliminating the corruption in their very own federal agencies. (Picture them doing a MegaUpload-style raid on federal offices!) Imagine they actually cared about the ultra-rich banker scumbags who have ruined so many lives. Imagine they actually cared about corporate crime. Imagine they actually cared about children being raped by priests. The list is endless. But of course, he who has the gold makes the rules.

    • Really

      “If only the shitty, filthy, corrupt US government worried about things that actually matter as much as they do file sharing! Imagine they actually cared about eliminating the corruption in their very own federal agencies”

      And who if not european governemnts suck MAFIAA dick?
      Don’t turn it into anti-american rant. It makes yourself little angry idiot who has one answer for all evil in the world. It’s the US that has strong opposition to MPAA Copyright legislation. What does Europe or Asia do to MPAA other than bowing to their every demand?

      • Anonymous

        Actually, what we are fighting isn’t the MPAA, but the CRIA, RIAA, Ifpi, BSA, MPAA, and all the other assorted umbrella organizations combining under that banner.

        This is neither an american nor a european problem. It’s not even a media industry problem.

        This is a problem caused by vast hordes of lawyers recognizing that the only way they keep getting paid is by the copyright battles continuing. And this is why we’ve even started seeing representatives from the media industries starting to look askance at some of the methods proposed and lobbied for.

        As usual then, the main problem is lawyers. I propose the Shakespearean solution.

        • Really

          So it all comes from lawyers? Really? You believe that? Ah, of course you do. After reading your other comments, i’m not shocked at all

        • Anonymous

          “So it all comes from lawyers? Really? You believe that? Ah, of course you do. After reading your other comments, i’m not shocked at all “

          There are too many vested interests in this mess to point single digits at them. But yes, lawyers are the driving force in the lobbying efforts at least. Simply because any company with a legal team will be told extensively by said legal team about the horrible prospects that would ensue if said company didn’t keep investing in an even bigger and more well paid legal team. I advise you to actually go work for a few years and realize the truth of this.

          After that we have the usual suspects. Politicians want control of the net for ideological or personal purposes (such as Sarkoszy not wanting the blogosphere to ridicule him any more), private interests want control of the net because it will make them money. Big Pharma want control because they want a weapon enabling them to sell branded pharmaceuticals at twenty times the price of generica, and so on.

          There is no shortage of actors who for one reason or the other are all pushing towards what amounts to total information control.

          Among said actors however, the one group which actually has global coordination is the various MAFIAA entities. Not the entertainment industries themselves, not the pharmaceutical companies, and certainly not governmental organizations whose main job is to spoke the wheels for every other government’s organizations.

          Your beliefs so far seem to come from very deep inside the tinfoil hat instead of due to empirical observation and fact-finding.
          You would probably do better if you actually started looking up verifiable fact as a basis for your comments instead of what you just read on flashback or slashdot.

        • Really

          @Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Your beliefs so far seem to come from very deep inside the tinfoil hat instead of due to empirical observation and fact-finding.
          You would probably do better if you actually started looking up verifiable fact as a basis for your comments instead of what you just read on flashback or slashdot.

          Because your nonsense is based on solid facts that nobody saw it yet. All you do here is talking shit pretending you know something while you can’t even grasp simple matter. You thesaurus won’t make you right. It makes you look like a monkey wearing blond wig.

      • Anonymous

        Who raided the MegaUpload offices?

        What do the letters in “MPAA” stand for?

        What do the letters in “RIAA” stand for?

        Besides, mentioning one entity doesn’t mean they’re the only entity.

  • goo

    Don’t be silly. Bittorrent won’t be done until either (a) digital media takes on a new form which doesn’t support bittorrent, (b) a much better form of filesharing comes along and makes bittorrents obsolete, or (c) something kills everyone on the planet.

    Don’t panic. Keep sharing.

    • Really

      It could be severly crippled if Protect IP Act goes live. And i doubt it it will stop on US. Perhaps torrents won’t totally eleminated, the will be other means, but things wil get difficult. That’s why we should make a stand. It’s not just about torrents but about freedom of speech in general. They can block any site on a whim. You don’t like hearing lies in a media, they block your site, since you’re creating unrest. It will be big step toward police state.

    • Anonymous

      “That’s why we should make a stand. It’s not just about torrents but about freedom of speech in general. They can block any site on a whim. You don’t like hearing lies in a media, they block your site, since you’re creating unrest. It will be big step toward police state.”

      This is what really frightens me the most. take a look at China. some 62%(!) of the chinese online community are estimated to fileshare, in the most draconian IT-landscape to be found. Dissidence, similarly, flourishes.

      But the average chinese citizen, unaffiliated with filesharing or active dissidence, doesn’t know what the Tiannanmen Square Massacre was!

      Filesharers and pirates won’t be hindered or hampered to any significance by any of the proposed legislations – not SOPA, not even ACTA in the leaked-first-draft version.

      John Q Doe will though.

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  • DutchGuest

    Even if Bittorrent was on the decline, which it isn’t : so what ?
    There are still so many alternatives, from WareZ sites to share forums, open FTP dumps, Usenet, DC++ and other P2P protocols…
    And cyberlocker sites are also far from dead, although right now a lot of them are covering their asses.

    Sharing will continue as it has done since the early days of BBS’ing.
    Someone will eventually create a new standard or make an old standard big again.

    • Guest

      IRC’s DCC…

    • Really

      Not if all those site are blocked. With Protect IP Act, they can block those sites with a snap of a finger.

      • Anonymous

        The problem is that snap of a finger will be far more damaging to legal domains. In order to shut usenet down for instance, you’re going to be shutting all mass mail systems down. What that will do to ordinary communications infrastructure I don’t even dare think about.

        Similarly, since the provider has no ability to tell what is being up or downloaded, any intermediate hosting service will have to shut down in self-defense as well.

        Meanwhile darknets will remain fully functional. As legitimate business has a great need to communicate, they too will have to start huddling with the pirates.

        • Really

          Either way it’s something that cannot happen and we have to take a stand against it.

        • Really

          Why would they shut down mail system with usenet? What does one have to do with the other? Are you stupid?

        • Anonymous

          @Really

          “Why would they shut down mail system with usenet? What does one have to do with the other? Are you stupid?”

          *facepalm*

          Go google “usenet”. Read up on what it is. Then come back and read the rest of this post.

          Done?

          Good.
          Most of usenet is, for all intents and purposes, nothing more than e-mail.
          More specifically, the alt.binaries section of usenet is email messages where a binary file has been divided into separate archives and actually placed as part of the message body.

          Given how the hierarchy of how usenet actually works, any legislation wide enough to encompass usenet, or even parts of it would by default play merry f**king hell with ordinary email handling.

          Basically, good frigging luck sending an email with an attachment or with too long a message body under such a paradigm.
          There would be a lot of other fallout as well, but email handlers in general are given victims.

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  • Crevans

    I need some perspective here….

    If the torrent sites are neutered, what are the chances that a new program will emerge that is completely untraceable and will this be a good thing?

    • Really

      If it was that simple it would be here already.

    • Anonymous

      Google “stealthnet”. Full AES encryption and p2p anonymity.

      • Really

        So they say. Nobody really knows much about it. Anonymity is good untill MAFIAA finds them a threat.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/DWTJR5SDTI3EVSHRJYKHRO5KV4 Uh Huh!

          I know people who immediately got calls from Time Warner when they installed Tor and other encryption devices. They were downloading also. Not sure about the rest.

        • Anonymous

          @Uh Huh!

          I think I know what you’re referring to. Time Warner actually owns cable which means they have the ability to at least tell that an encryption protocol is in use. They were pretty infamous for sending cease and desist letters to anyone using a certain amount of bandwidth.

          Also to laser printers, router switches, dead people and people who did not own computers.

          Basically, I’d be surprised to have an internet connection in the states without at some time having received such a note. The “pay up or else” extortion scheme at least had the potential to generate profit even if only one in a thousand decided to pay out of fear – guilty or not.

        • Anonymous

          @Really

          “So they say. Nobody really knows much about it.”

          Aside from the fact that it’s open source and that a number of MIT university papers have been written about the technology?

          It’s about as well known as the combustion engine. If what you are saying is that most people don’t know much about it, that’d be true.
          Same holds for a car which doesn’t mean we can’t rely on them.

          As for anonymity, MAFIAA finds a lot of this stuff a threat – and they have in the past attempted to shut down open source and tech companies promoting both encryption tools and anonymity enabling technology. With no success so far.

          Honestly, the MAFIAA organizations, by whatever name they choose to go by – a turd by any other name and all that – would love to declare even the printing press illegal. Doesn’t mean they can. In very real terms they are completely at the end of their rope.

          SOPA failed because the methods it mandated would have stripped the average John Doe of many of the ordinary internet uses s/he takes for granted. In order to actually combat piracy they would have to go far far beyond that. To a place even China isn’t dumb enough to attempt.

          We’ve already won. If in order to combat piracy you have to dismantle the internet and put IT technology back in the box then the answer is clear – it ain’t happening. And that is more or less the case.

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  • dorkhero

    Yawn. Started with what is today quaintly called a ‘sneakernet’. Moved on to usenet, then Napster and HotLine. Used Limewire (gnutella) for awhile. Now its torrents and cyberlockers. What next? Something else. “Can’t stop the signal.”

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/DWTJR5SDTI3EVSHRJYKHRO5KV4 Uh Huh!

      Yawn. what a bad ass.

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  • Fake

    At one time in the US, people made their own booze. The government ‘got tough’ on alcohol with Prohibition and handed the business to organized crime which ballooned in size and violence. The FBI was created to fight them and even the army and navy were pressed into service. There were machine gun fights in the streets and innocent citizens dying left and right. It only stopped when Prohibition ended. Years later we found out that many Prohibition politicians and law enforcement agents were actually organized crime associates who wanted alcohol to be illegal because it was more profitable for them.

    At one time in the US, people grew their own cannabis. The government ‘got tough’ on cannabis and handed the business to Mexican organized crime.

    At one time in the US, people bought ephedrine over the counter. The government ‘got tough’ and handed the business to Mexican organized crime. With the wildly more profitable drug, they have stockpiled military hardware and crossed into the US to assassinate US citizens.

    Let’s not forget the Congressional Record were the CIA was found guilty of importing heroin into the US in the 70s. They swore that it was just a few ‘rogue’ agents and that it would never happen again. Then they were found guilty of importing coke into the US in the 80s. It’s public record. The government IS organized crime.

    I just don’t know how much more government ‘help’ we can take.

    • Really

      FBI wasn’t created to fight prohibition. This fact alone shows what a full of crap your whole story is.

      • Fake

        The justification for the FBI as opposed to the original BOI was indeed interstate organized crime which was put on steroids by alcohol prohibition. If alcohol had stayed legal then people would have just kept brewing their own and organized crime would not have gotten so rich and entrenched.

        It was later found that many of the politicians that had supported alcohol prohibition were accepting bribes from the mob to do so because it made it much more profitable for them.

        Later still it was found that Hoover was an evil blackmailer and closet fascist.

        Here’s another fact. Many of the most violent mobsters were US veterans who felt used and abused by the government.

        If the copyright cartel does manage to kill free software sharing, then they will be providing another source of profit to organized crime. For example, in China where most people don’t have free access to file sharing, pirate software is produced in factories and distributed by the Triads. They bribe the police and murder their competitors. Those are the results the copyright cartel are trying to bring to the US and EU.

  • aldaris

    Usenet is pay money=download, no money=not download!

  • Nobody

    Too bad we the US government can’t stop China form infringing copyright laws. Who’s the superpower now?

    • Really

      Neither can China

  • Elmano

    question: why do torrent sites bother? I mean its not like they _host_ anything, like MA did, they just distribute links – and nowadays you can even do trackerless torrents, so you don’t even need to run one of those …

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      So people can easily find stuff that they are looking for, maybe? This is a case of “BIG FAT DUH!”

      • Elmano

        no, I meant in terms of “scared of the law” … eg. MA hosted the whole shit so they are more or less liable for what they have on their servers, but bt-sites only have links on their servers, so don’t provide any content by themselves -> no problem.

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  • PRIVACY is priceless to me

    VIVE LA RESISTANCE !
    Fucking hypocrite cowards that make/made money from “piracy”, what did you expect!!!

  • Chinese Pirate

    Yo ho ho, a Chinese life for me…..

  • Derp

    > major torrent sites /me pats private trackers

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  • Xxx

    ITS very sad if file sharing stop
    BUT Luckily Tribler is lurking in the corner READY to DOMINATE the PEER – to – Peer again

    HOPE the projet is a success????

  • Party’s Over Folks

    It was only a matter of time, but basically the party is over. Now the precedents have been set and the largest sites are being gradually hunted down – and this was without the new laws that are stalled in Congress.

    There’s no point in wailing, with the same flimsy old arguments which have been long rebutted. If people are really concerned about freedom of speech and censorship then join the real campaigns, which have nothing to do with getting something for nothing.

    • Anonymous

      Why do I smell a copywrong troll?

      1) BTjunkie wasn’t “hunted down”.

      2) Torrent sites are, by and large, the equivalent of museums already. If every last one vanished decentralized filesharing is here to stay. Chestbeating for taking down megaupload is akin to the shrill and rapidly silenced cries of triumphs heard when Napster vanished. All that is accomplished is that several million legitimate customers find themselves hurt by legislation which even the most fervent John Doe can’t see the reason in.
      Pirates meanwhile shrug their shoulders and migrate to the next, more resilient solution. Every takedown so far has been a win for us – in the same way these copyright battles have been won by piracy and technology in the end all the way back to the days of the self-playing piano and the printing press.

      3) The legislation now considered “necessary” to combat online piracy doesn’t cause any harm to pirates at all. It does extreme harm to actual freedom of speech to any ordinary user however, not relying on the same methods. Once enforced premoderation becomes a necessity, Facebook, Youtube and most social sites will have to implement restrictions the average user certainly will find completely unacceptable. And that’s when whatever public sympathy for copyright is left finally vanishes.

      Piracy used to be separate from free speech issues. The proposed legislation to combat the one automatically now attacks the other. And that’s why they have now become an inseparable issue in that regard.

      And this is where we win.

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  • Anonymous

    Galileo got it too. Someday data will be free.

    • Tom

      Yeah and cars and diamonds and computer hardware…. Wait…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7X7FOKXGRDO5FBBZ6VVI3THPSI mario23

    guys dont let the mpaa win, you dont have to shut down just because megaupload got seized by the government, they got seized because of money laundering not copyright content, they did that because they were laundering money

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  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DWTJR5SDTI3EVSHRJYKHRO5KV4 Uh Huh!

    The whole question is stupid:
    “Is Bittorrent done”? —–>Dumb.

    It doesn’t have to be ‘done’, whatever that even means, it just needs to be inconvenient enough that most people can’t get access to a decent site. And that the available files on the available sites are so shitty and lame and poorly seeded that it’s just not worth the time.

    I mean, I like Candie Hank, but not enough to wait 7 GD hours for a DL of 74 MBs.
    And that’s on my extra secret Honeycomb Hideout source site. TPB, KT, and whatever, doesn’t even carry that type of shit.

    Meh, and so it goes.
    Chilling Effects.

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  • Asdfasdf

    This is sad! The corporations are dragging the internet down in their greed. Again, all the normal hard working people that can barely make a living suffer. It’s like, if normal people have something that seems free or too good they must tax or shut it down.

    • anonperson83

      I HATE corporations I say we boycott them all :).

  • Neotoasty

    TIL The Pirate Bay is down and out and TIL the Internet is shut down, BitTorrent and File-Sharing in general is far from dead.

    Once Pirate Bay has been finally taken down, then we can kindof worry.

    • Anonymous

      Actually, TPB today is sort of a museum. Nice to visit and very sentimental. But that’s like saying aerospace engineering and manned flight will end if they shut down the Smithsonian.

      Tribler, overnet, cademlia, usenet – there is just no end of decentralized solutions where we already have the cheat sheet in hand. Should TPB go down it’ll be just like with BTjunkie and the assorted other tracker sites. Piracy goes on without even missing a step. There is no core functionality you can reach in order to stop bittorrent.

      Or rather, there is, but if you touch that, the ordinary internet goes bye-bye as well.

  • anonperson

    Extratorrent isn’t up and has not been in days anyone know why???

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  • Gabriel Potkány

    WTF are torrent sites doing? Megaupload was shut down because of engaging in a racketeering conspiracy and conspiring to commit money laundering. Just copyright infringement for international operation of this scale will never be sufficient reason. That’s one point. Second thing i don’t get is what has torrent sites to do with cyberlockers services? That’s totally different type of service, what are they afraid of? Nothing really changed since megaupload case for them, torrent site could be take down in past just like it can now, so what changed?

    http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2012/January/12-crm-074.html

  • Guest

    cool im witnessing the internet spring

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  • JACKPOT HARLEY STONE

    No it’s not done. Let me tell you why ok

    1. As soon as one site gets hit there’s another waiting in the wings.

    2. As long as people are sharing files it will never STOP.

    3. FINALLY They can’t shut down the entire file sharing community down it would take too long, besides file sharing has been going on for too long.
    Are you trying to tell me that if I lend a friend a cd or dvd he’s not going to copy it to watch it him/herself at a later date. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!!! Have you seen the price of cd’s & dvd’s lately FUCKING too right am I glad there’s sites like this were I can download movies & music. And pls don’t preach that BULLSHIT that I’m stealing from the artists. They make enough money to compensate the loss.

  • Anonymous
  • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

    Bittorrenting has much to many counter moves to be under any real threat. Not least, it has idealists, willing to implement those technologies and strategies, and to take risks if necessary.

  • Bill Lambert

    If BitTorrent is “done”, we will invent something else. That is the nature of the internet: where there is a problem, 2 billion users come up with a solution. Yeah yeah, I know, 99.99% of those users are complete imbeciles clicking Like on Bieber’s fan page, but those of us who were around in the early 90′s to build the foundations, the true pioneer geeks, we’re still here and we’re just waiting for a fresh challenge.

  • shareluv

    I don’t use public trackers any more ;-( it is too dangerous.
    I just registered at this pvt HD tracker:
    http://www.blu-torrents.net/ Open registration right now.
    even though it’s small for now one finds plenty hd-s.

  • maybeniave

    Okay I have a stupid question if it is all about cash then why doesn’t Hollywood come up with a better scheme. I just read where all these companies that ran ads during the superbowl paid 3.5 million for 30 seconds. So why doesn’t hollywood instead of charging these people to use product placement in their movies instead allow them to be in their movies for free and then create their own download site where the companies that got free product placement pay so much to the company for each download? In this method the companies are paying for their product placement still but I think it will reach a lot more viewers if hollywood allowed downloads for free. As an example it is estimated that the fast and the furious 5 was downloaded 9.3 million times if these movies place 10 products and they charged say 1 dollar a download to each company that would be 93 million dollars earned right off the bat and that isn’t even figuring they could place more products, plus there would still be the die hard fans who had to see their favorite movie on big screen so opening weeks sales would still be huge.they would just have to recoop their loss on video sales or blue ray sales. I think it would work with a little finess and then movies could be free for everyone just like television is.

  • danny

    bittorrent is not dead, just btjunkie

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  • Dm

    :( no more free stuff on the net would reck so much for everyone

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001079471341 Vertika Gupta

    i loved BIT torrent files i want it back :( the last movie i downlaoded was ”isaqzaade” nothing is better then BIT torrent..:(

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001079471341 Vertika Gupta

    i want BIT torrent back :(

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