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ISP CEO Slams Copyright Law and Outdated Business Models

As New Zealand braces itself following the introduction of a 3 strikes-style scheme for dealing with online copyright infringement, the CEO of one of the country’s largest ISPs has slammed the legislation. TelstraClear chief Allan Freeth says that punishing consumers isn’t the answer and that business models requiring new legislation in order to function are flawed and need to be changed.

Although New Zealand’s Copyright (Infringing File Sharing) Amendment Act 2011 doesn’t come officially into force until 1st September, last week saw the beginning of P2P network monitoring which can be backed up by action under the new legislation.

As should be clear by now, those who are found to be uploading copyright material are first sent two warnings via their ISP. After a third, copyright holders are able to take Internet account holders to the Copyright Tribunal where they will face fines of up to $15,000 and disconnection.

The legislation has been widely opposed, but complaints have fallen mostly on deaf ears. Today the head of one New Zealand’s largest ISPs added his personal dissenting voice to the mix in an announcement which criticizes the legislation, the outdated business models of the entertainment industries and lack of consumer choice.

“TelstraClear respects copyright and supports the ability of rights owners to realise value from their intellectual property. But a business model that has to be propped up by specific legislation in this way is flawed and needs to change,” Freeth begins.

TelstraClear has been opposing the 3 strikes legislation for some time. In 2009, TelstraClear said that following “an unprecedented large reaction from customers” it would not support a code of practise designed to support a “guilty upon accusation” law with which the company didn’t agree. The legislation was subsequently softened.

But Freeth says that today, even with 3 strikes on the table, the legislation will fail to produce the effect required by copyright holders.

“It may encourage parents to take more notice of what their kids are doing online, and that’s a good thing,” he says. “But it won’t stop those who really want content from getting it.”

The problem, he notes, isn’t so much stopping piracy by force, but by giving customers the content they want.

Freeth says that a 2009 TelstraClear survey showed that customers who download copyright content were not only “tired of paying too much, and waiting too long”, but viewed physical distribution models as outdated and out-of-touch.

“These are the opinions of the ‘now’ generation, and the growing population that has never experienced the world without a TV, the internet, and the freedom this offers,” he says.

“New Zealand’s distance from the source of much content has been conquered by online access, but simply making it available online while retaining old price structures and wait times doesn’t work.”

Freeth highlights some interesting points from the survey which are potential positives for artists but not necessarily good news for their gatekeepers – the rights holders and distributors.

“Respondents suggested building a stronger direct connection between the artist and end-user to reduce the old-world overheads and online purchase price,” says Freeth.

Building stronger connections between artists and consumers is indeed an effective way to cut out the ‘middle-man’. But of course, it’s the middle-man that aggressively lobbied for this new legislation in the first instance in order to protect his business models.

Freeth adds that their survey respondents were also keen to alter the focus of copyright law, to punish those who try to profit from infringement instead of targeting the consumer.

“As stated, TelstraClear respects copyright, but we respect the ever-changing needs of our customers too. At present, they are being denied the freedom to choose by companies intent on propping-up old world business models.

“Rather than investing in innovative ways to legally provide people with the content they want, whether music or movies, pictures or programmes, these companies choose to pressure governments into legislating.”

In summing up, Freeth says that instead of bringing in useless laws the New Zealand government “should be breaking monopolies”, thereby creating an environment where citizens of the country can legitimately obtain content in a timely and cost-effective manner.

“Instead,” he concludes, “it has chosen to introduce a law that could turn ordinary Kiwis into law-breakers.”

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  • Anonymous

    Welcome to Nazi New Zealand.

    • Maxi

      New Nazealand

      • djnforce9

        You mean Na-Ziland.

        • Ougo

          For the very last time –> New Nazi-land

    • Maxi

      New Nazealand

    • Anon

      You don’t have to believe as Nazi’s did to understand that piracy sucks and artists and their reps will do whatever it takes to bring you down, even lobbying legislators and biometric locks.

      Jay-Z and Kanye “beat the leakers and the pirates” by taking a different, locked down approach to a new release. If you think the artists don’t resent your leaking and thieving, read the article and realize the public is not with you, they resent the way you threaten our online freedoms by hiding while you steal.

      http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/digital-and-mobile/how-jay-z-and-kanye-west-beat-the-leakers-1005315342.story

      My favorite quotes?
      “Taking C.I.A.-like precautions to ensure that the album was released
      on their own terms,………That might be the way to go,’” says the Roc Nation executive. “I’d be surprised if many other artists don’t use this strategy as well.”

      On THEIR OWN TERMS, just as it should be. They created it. Piracy sucks and the artists are taking extraordinary steps to tell you exactly what they think of you. Get the message. It’s time, and time is not on your side.

      • AnonSucks

        You are aware that “quote” isn’t an actual quote. You’re misrepresenting it as something it isn’t. That CIA part from “Taking… terms” isn’t part of what the Roc Nation executive said. The rest is a quote attributable to said executive, but it’s in regards to protecting the content from leaks by any means necessary. And that CIA like precautions as mentioned in the article isn’t all that secure. They basically store the music on external hard drives that require fingerprint scans to access them. That can easily be defeated. You can search online for methods to do so. It’s not as difficult as one might be led to believe.

        In addition to that, nowhere in the article does it mention “the public”. It’s specifically focusing on the efforts of Jay-Z and Kanye West to keep their one specific thing from leaking. So yet again, you’re misrepresenting things to suit you. Ditto what you said in regards to what they resent. It doesn’t mention the public in the article at all. So how can you know that they resent what’s happening to their freedoms. You’re making assumptions and trying to present an article that mentions none of what you’re saying as “evidence” to support your claims.

        “and artists and their reps will do whatever it takes to bring you down, even lobbying legislators and biometric locks.”

        That, nothing wrong with what you said there per se, but it seems like as far as being grammatically correct, it’s not. The gist of it is understood, but I’d fix that if I were you. You don’t want to add bad grammar to your list of attributes. Of which lying and misrepresenting “facts” are two.

        My favorite part? Where someone (that’d be me) actually read the article and then called you out on your BS. Or better said, corrected your “mistakes” (also known as “flat out lies”). Get the message. It’s time. You only made yourself look foolish just now, I’d watch out for that if I were you. It doesn’t help your argument.

        • Anon

          “To combat pre-release piracy” is stated very clearly by one of the Grammy award winning recording engineers while you focus on ways the artists’ methods can “easily be defeated.” Got it.

          We see your pirate ethics just as clearly. No misrepresentation or legislative/judicial bribery needed. Wonder why we are losing our digital rights? (that’d be you) Talk about foolish.

        • Anon

          “To combat pre-release piracy” is stated very clearly by one of the Grammy award winning recording engineers while you focus on ways the artists’ methods can “easily be defeated.” Got it.

          We see your pirate ethics just as clearly. No misrepresentation or legislative/judicial bribery needed. Wonder why we are losing our digital rights? (that’d be you) Talk about foolish.

        • AnonSucks

          @ Anon

          I mentioned to combat the leaks. That’s what they (those measures) are. And that’s not piracy, not by your definition of piracy. Leaks happen from official sources. Someone either working for the label, or someone who has direct access to the material before it’s officially released LEAK the albums. That’s more an immediate security concern than a “someone bought the album and uploaded it online” thing. Which is irrelevant, because you were attributing a huge section of that article to one person. When it wasn’t that person who said anything like that. You were mistating/misrepresenting a quote to suit your point of views. You got called out on it. Deal with it. Don’t act like a child.

          Secondly, I just mentioned that those “CIA like precautions” aren’t CIA like at all. That they can be defeated. I wasn’t focusing on that, as in “hehehe we have workarounds”, I was just pointing out that it’s not as secure as you and they would lead one to believe. You were saying they’re taking “extraordinary steps” to combat piracy, when the truth is they aren’t. That’s not an extraordinary step. My laptop has a fingerprint scanner to prevent people from accessing it. In addition to that it’s got a webcam that won’t unlock it without my face being recognized by it. That’s nothing “extraordinary”, it’s run of the mill. I am into technology. It’s misinformation like that that leads to viruses, trojans, etc. People are told something that isn’t true and they believe it. It’s better to admit that the security measures have their shortcomings and find a better method, then say these are “CIA like precuations” and then get up in arms later when they’re easily circumvented. And any person with half a brain could look up that information online and know about it’s flaws. It’s no big secret. Except to the clueless and uninformed (of which you happen both).

          I have no pirate ethic. I don’t download anything nor feel a need to. I catch a few movies in theater and go to concerts regularly. Everything else I catch on tv or the radio. So I don’t know why you assume I have a “pirate ethic”, unless of course you’re referring to me mentioning that the fingerprint thing can be beat. In which case, why? What’s me pointing out a flaw have to do with a “pirate ethic”? That’d be like me saying if you don’t update your browser you will catch a virus or something. Is that proof of my “hacker ethic”? Lol. Yeah, you’re real bright aren’t you? [he ask rhetorically, already knowing the answer is a definite "no"]

          Like I said, you were misrepresenting pieces from the article and trying to present them as facts. You were lying. You got caught. Don’t act like a child. Admit you did it and move on. We’re losing our regular non digital rights, and have been for a decade now (due to “terrorism”), I’d be a little more concerned about those if I were you. And what rights are you losing? I’ve checked your comment history and seen you advocate that they take those rights away and take even more. So why are you suddenly a victim? “My rights! My rights!” he says, after saying they should take them and do even more things like that. See what I mean about misrepresentation? You say one thing when you advocate another. You play the victim while wishing you could be the one to take the rights (as per your own various comments). You’re right, talk about foolish. You most certainly are.

          Did you also notice how you avoided everything else I said? About “the public” not even being mentioned in that article. About you putting words in the mouth of a person in the article. Etc. I understand, I’d be mad too if someone called me out on my BS. But I wouldn’t be a little b*tch about it like you. I’d admit my mistake and say “yeah, you caught me” and then move on like an adult. Then again, I wouldn’t do anything like that in the first place (lie and shoot myself in the foot by telling people where to find proof of my lie).

          And now, you’re lame rebuttal?

        • AnonSucks

          CORRECTION. I meant antivirus software, not browser. Then again, browser too. There are constant security exploits being found which could lead one to having their computer hijacked if someone uses one of those exploits to gain control. Oh my! My “hacker ethic” is showing. Because I informed people of a flaw in web browsers. Lol. Anon, you crack me up. I’m gonna be saying “hacker ethic” to everyone now whenever I repair a computer and I tell them everything that was wrong with it. It’ll get a laugh, if asked where I heard that term I can say from some idiot online. Who was showing his “lack of common sense/intelligence ethic”. : P

        • Anon

          Feel free to say “hacker ethics to everyone” if you wish, I never used that term, you made it up.

          And anyone who thinks the methods described in that article to defeat pre-release piracy are not “extraordinary” 1) knows nothing of the recording industry and 2) probably has fingerprint scanners and facial recognition software on their laptop and thinks that makes them cool. I see you use the tongue-sticking-out emoticon, too, so there you have it. Very cool.

        • AnonSucks

          @ Anon

          I was comparing “hacker ethics” to “pirate ethics”. You know, the term you used, which is a made up as well. I pointed out that those CIA like precautions aren’t that secure and can be beaten. You said “…while you focus on ways the artists’ methods can “easily be defeated.” Got it. We see your pirate ethics just as clearly….” Which was your way of saying that because I said they can be beat, I must be focusing on that because I’m a pirate. Thus my “hacker ethics” remark. Because I pointed out that computers have exploits, I must be a computer hacker. It was a joke. Mr. I’m so serious when people point out the asinine things I say. Oh and I used the emoticon as a way of taking another jab at you in regards to the “ethic” remark.

          And sorry to say, but putting the music on an external hard drive that requires a fingerprint scan to have access to said files isn’t “extraordinary”. Anyone who thinks those the methods described in the article to defeat pre-release piracy ARE “extraordinary” either 1) do not know the meaning of the word “extraordinary” 2) is an idiot 3) isn’t aware that there are more secure methods of securing data out there or 4) all of the above.

          Also, how does the music get on that drive? Must be through the use of a computer. Which means that when the files are being transferred it’s hooked up to said computer. Which means it can be just as easily copied to a disc or a usb flash drive or another external hard drive, to be released pre-release anyway. I bet that thought didn’t even cross your mind.

          Fingerprint scanners and facial recognition on laptops aren’t cool. It’s just a “feature” they try and sell you on to charge you more for a product. Nor did I say I was cool for having those things on my laptop. I was merely pointing out that my laptop comes with those “CIA like features” too. It was my way of saying “this isn’t all that extraordinary if it’s a relatively standard feature on laptops”.

          So we done here? K, great. Let’s do this again sometime, it’s been fun.

        • Anonymous

          I love this flamewar.

          Anon, get a real job. Paytrolling is annoying and when a TF commenter (like Anoixana or how you spell it) gets in charge, you’re getting the death penalty unless you quit now :p. Anonsucks, you rock!

      • Mike

        We know you work for a company. Sad you is paid to post on public blogs etc. What a life you have. A whore for the middle men. You don’t even create an identity you just post Anon! We can’t respect you because of that alone.

        Another broken business model. You guys just don’t get it. People want to pay artists they just don’t want to pay you troll or your type! You embarrassed yourself look what AnonSucks posted in response. Don’t post unless you check everything because the “public” are not as stupid as you think.

        Also remember your posting on a pro freedom site about taking away peoples rights what exactly did you think would happen when you posted? CIA lol. Are you stupid people here do not condone piracy they are fighting to have trolls like you removed from the business model.

        I call you Troll Sir to your face. Glove slap. I also challenge you to a dual because your honour is broken and their ladies present on this web site who have to read your trolling.

        • Anonymous

          “Glove slap, baby I don’t take crap”
          -The Simpsons, Season 11, Episode 5, E-I-E-I-(Annoyed Grunt).

        • Anon

          Piracy celebrates the idea that with stealth something of financial value should be obtained unlawfully for free. This is codified in the Napster case a decade ago.

          “To save the expense” Illegal file bartering has been held to be a commercial use, cutting off the defense of fair use in the U.S.: “…[C]ommercial use is demonstrated by a showing that repeated and exploitative unauthorized copies of copyrighted works were made to save the expense of purchasing authorized copies.” A&M Records, Inc. et al v. Napster, Inc., 239 F.3d 1004 (9th Cir. 2001), at 1014.”

          So it follows that readers of a pro-piracy site would assume financial motive of the judge involved and financial motive to post here. That was never true for me. No one pays me to possess ethics about purchasing a product properly at retail to secure our digital rights and to express these ethics in your face.

          So I thank you. It’s as encouraging as it is revealing to have you express freely and in your own words ethics so twisted and shallow that you’d assume someone would have to be paid to have a different set of beliefs than you and just do the right thing.

          Priceless. :-)

        • AnonSucks

          I’m pretty sure FILE-SHARING does not celebrate that idea. I think that’s your take/spin on the issue. File-sharing celebrates the idea of sharing something with others freely. (I’ll give you this, at least you said “obtained unlawfully for free” as opposed to “stealing” or “theft”. Knew you’d get put in your place on that huh? I see someone’s learning. Slowly, but still.)

          Bringing up a decade old court case, which is completely unrelated to what you just said is a sign that you’re grasping at straws. What does what you quoted have to do with “Piracy… for free”? All that focuses on is Napster. Not the “idea” of file-sharing. Another irrelevant quote presented as “proof” to support your take on things. (Hey, didn’t we already do this dance already?)

          It follows that certain readers (coughYOUcough) make assumptions about readers of a particular site (this one) and paint everyone with the same brush just because they’re here. When not everyone is the same or doing what you assume they’re doing. What is true is you’re trolling and failing at it. And sorry to say, but your ethics are your own. Everyone has their own moral code. And what does purchasing a product have to do with digital rights? Nothing. If someone pays for something it has no effect on digital rights. Me or Joe Sixpack buying something through legitimate means does not stop Wal-Mart from installing cameras to surveil me while I’m in the store. The same applies to things online. Doing something through legal means has no effect on what happens to take away rights. That is me expressing the flaws in your words, in your face.

          I thank you. It’s encouraging to see that you make quite the effort to be holier than thou but hurt yourself in the process with the assumptions you make and the evidence that is either irrelevant or shoots down what you say. It means that as clever as you think you are, you actually aren’t. Also Mike revealed nothing about his ethics beyond he doesn’t care for trolls (of which he thinks you are one, and which evidence shows you more than likely are) and that’s it. He even clearly stated that people want to pay artists, just not trolls (be they like you or the corporate types). Seems like his code of ethics is pretty good to me. And notice how he only aims the troll comment at you? There are plenty on this site who have a different set of beliefs (or better said, are anti-file-sharing and pro-copyright), they don’t get called trolls. They’re reasonable, respectful guys/gals. They don’t exhibit a “you’re all criminals, I’m better than you” vibe. As such they get listened to, talked to and shown respect. Maybe you should take a page from their book. Couldn’t hurt.

          Your replies are priceless. It’s like you try to be something your not. I.e. witty/intelligent. You only come off as snooty (or if I felt like being a jerk, I’d say “do*chey”). Come on Anon, you’re really gonna have to step it up a notch if you think you have a chance of winning any kind of “debate” against myself or some of the others on here.

        • Anon

          @ AnonSucks

          “(I’ll give you this, at least you said “obtained unlawfully for free” as opposed to “stealing” or “theft”. Knew you’d get put in your place on that huh?”

          Can’t you hear how adolescently foolish you sound?

          While government all over the world calls it stealing, both sides of the legislative aisle call it stealing, the judiciary even calls it stealing from time to time and the industries and the artists and the pr firms and the producers and copyright advocate firms and the lawyers…. the list goes on and on regarding online theft of content…..we all see what it is, and your response to all this is what?

          To put your finger in the air like some peevish 15 year old and remind me (and apparently everyone else) that the infringement/content theft distinction is the important part of this to you? Seriously? It’s no wonder you don’t take this to your representatives.

          You appear to enjoy being a douche about this while all around you artists are now taking extraordinary steps to try to protect their work and governments are passing laws left and right in a direct response to piracy.

          Truly, you can’t make this kind of douchebaggery up…..and you call me unintelligent. lol

        • Anon

          @ AnonSucks

          “(I’ll give you this, at least you said “obtained unlawfully for free” as opposed to “stealing” or “theft”. Knew you’d get put in your place on that huh?”

          Can’t you hear how adolescently foolish you sound?

          While government all over the world calls it stealing, both sides of the legislative aisle call it stealing, the judiciary even calls it stealing from time to time and the industries and the artists and the pr firms and the producers and copyright advocate firms and the lawyers…. the list goes on and on regarding online theft of content…..we all see what it is, and your response to all this is what?

          To put your finger in the air like some peevish 15 year old and remind me (and apparently everyone else) that the infringement/content theft distinction is the important part of this to you? Seriously? It’s no wonder you don’t take this to your representatives.

          You appear to enjoy being a douche about this while all around you artists are now taking extraordinary steps to try to protect their work and governments are passing laws left and right in a direct response to piracy.

          Truly, you can’t make this kind of douchebaggery up…..and you call me unintelligent. lol

        • AnonSucks

          I told you we already did this dance. Now you’re back to the “extraordinary steps” thing. I.e. fingerprint scanner hard drive, that isn’t that extraordinary. That still leaves plenty of opportunity for the music to be leaked. I already explained this several times. NOT EXTRAORDINARY. Unless you’re an idiot and know nothing about data security. Which you’re proving you don’t.

          And while it may be randomly called “stealing from time to time” (note that exact phrased you used, “time to time”, not always, just when it’s convenient), the law has made clear it isn’t theft. I can call you an idiot, does that make it so? No. Thus it isn’t stealing/theft. I don’t need to remind everyone else of the difference. It’s only you and Anonwizer and Jack who can’t get that simple fact through your heads, everyone else knows what it is called. Everyone else corrects you kids on that all the time. So much so you’d think it’d have sunk in by now.

          I see I ruffled some feathers though, you didn’t respond at all really. Reiterated your previous point, which I shot down up above. And that’s it? Ah yes, I stand by my statement, you are unintelligent. And I haven’t acted like a douche, I’ve just pointed out the problems with some of the things you’ve said. I can see how you might call that “douchebaggery”, being that you’re the one being corrected and I’m sure you don’t like being corrected. But it’s not douchebaggery, it’s making sure that things which are false or incorrect are pointed out and corrected. I told you, I get it, I’d be mad too, but deal with it. You’re wrong about a lot of things, if I don’t correct you someone else will. The guy who calls everyone thieves is a do*che. The guy who advocates that EVERYONE’S rights be taken away is a do*che. I’ll give you a hint as to who does those things? His name is Anon. Hey, that’s your name. How odd.

          I mean you’re the one passing judgement on myself on Mike on everyone on here and calling them pirates and thieves, even when they say nothing to imply they are. Even when they state “I don’t pirate”. Etc. And still you go on judging and insulting them. What, don’t like it when someone returns the favor? I know you don’t know the meaning of “extraordinary”, but do you know the meaning of the word “hypocrite”?

          I feel sorry for you already. It requires no effort to shoot down your “pendejadas” as I hear some people say. If you don’t know what that means, look it up or ask someone. It’s almost like picking on a child. Or better said it’s exactly like picking on a child. Because you get real defensive without actually defending what you say.

        • Anon

          @AnonSucks

          This works for both of us. We compel such selfish, asinine comments they are priceless, we learn of new torrent sites, we witness new tech used to hide, then we print and take meetings with our congressmen and they write another law. Best, they see your selfish sense of entitlement all the more clearly this way. And you?

          You get to blowhard while insisting on a distinction between digital content theft online and “infringement” despite a long, long list of influential players who couldn’t care less what you think about this distinction. Don’t believe me? Do some reading. The only pertinent detail here is a civil infraction is based on the preponderance of evidence which makes a conviction far easier. Works for us. And you can feel like you’ve done a great service to piracy before it is formally criminalized. Is that the deal we have here?

          done.

          Now tell us all again how online content theft isn’t. Such depth. lol

        • Anon

          @AnonSucks

          This works for both of us. We compel such selfish, asinine comments they are priceless, we learn of new torrent sites, we witness new tech used to hide, then we print and take meetings with our congressmen and they write another law. Best, they see your selfish sense of entitlement all the more clearly this way. And you?

          You get to blowhard while insisting on a distinction between digital content theft online and “infringement” despite a long, long list of influential players who couldn’t care less what you think about this distinction. Don’t believe me? Do some reading. The only pertinent detail here is a civil infraction is based on the preponderance of evidence which makes a conviction far easier. Works for us. And you can feel like you’ve done a great service to piracy before it is formally criminalized. Is that the deal we have here?

          done.

          Now tell us all again how online content theft isn’t. Such depth. lol

      • Bob

        what was not mentioned is the cost of producing the album like this pushed the price up to $50

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  • http://chimel.myopenid.com/ Chimel

    Since when are CEOs intelligent? ^-^
    Great standpoint, I’d love to see the customer survey he refers to.

    And I have a great solution for 3-strike, if Anonymous reads this:
    Hack into the ISP and trap every IP identification request to return an account that has either been disabled after the copyright infringing date, or a round robin amongst all the customers so that no customer will ever receive more than one or two notifications.

    Of course, if TelstraClear do it themselves, they don’t even have to bother sending the notifications… ^-^

    • Anonymous

      How about not hacking people that are on our side. Maybe just flood swarms with millions of fake IP addresses?

      • FuzzyDuck

        And then preferably with IP numbers of official government agencies from around the world…

    • Anonymous

      How about not hacking people that are on our side. Maybe just flood swarms with millions of fake IP addresses?

    • Danny

      I hate to break it to you but anonymous aren’t hackers!

  • Guest

    That’s ok since we must kill all these corporations of parasites anyway for the sake of our societies. The human society can no longer progress with them arround.

    Let’s kill them all!

  • IDIOCRACY

    USA has an enormous debt, they have to get the money from somewhere, so lets sue the kiwis, than we can pay the politicians to get even harder laws to get more money.
    So than these politicains can spend the money in USA on USA goods so the value added tax will get the debt in ballance with the spending of USA
    euuuh… or something like that ….. hehe

    • Anonymous

      Delusions. This money does not go to the USA it goes to the lawyers, anti piracy agencies and local distributors. Who will use it for more lawsuits and to line their own pockets.

    • Anonymous

      Delusions. This money does not go to the USA it goes to the lawyers, anti piracy agencies and local distributors. Who will use it for more lawsuits and to line their own pockets.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/wiredcivicex Clayton Johnson

    If your from New Zealand tell ALL your friends. Get a VPN or Shell from another country and use only encrypted connections to it. They won’t be able to see what your downloading.

  • 4REPUBLIC

    this is how corporation do it in the 21st century.. if they cant fight something let throw some money at politicians and get laws pass, so now IT ILLEGAL UNDER RULE OF LAWS. What happen to the relationship between consumer and producer? why not hear about the issue and try compromise it?

    Compromise = bullshit in corporation head, they will go to any mean to digg that last pieces of gold from a abandoned mine! every last pieces of it!!

  • Him

    this guy is saying what has been said, but ignored, for years. good on him! what needs to happen is for politicians like Melissa Lee, who admitted to file sharing herself but still voted this law in, to be caught. would be interesting to see what punishment she or any other politician got.

    • Anonymous

      Yes he has said what we have said for years. I do think things are changing though when the lobbying, bribes, false reports and pure lies of these “middle men” are not the only view. The more people like CEO Allan Freeth who stand up and say “this is not right” the more people who hear them.

      As to Melissa Lee then there is one hypercritical party bitch.

      Well we already know that the determined cannot be stopped. At worst buy a SIM and top it up with cash. No name attached means no trace.

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    Looks as though this CEO Freeth has been reading the pages and comments here on TF.

    If so, glad to have been of service Allan. And it must be so frustrating that your wise words fell on the same deaf ears as our attempts too because even though I’m in the UK I too wrote to NZ Minister Mr Power to no avail.

    This legislation is a breach of Human Rights and a blow for democracy.
    The MAFIAA has won this battle, but you haven’t won the war and it isn’t finished …

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    Looks as though this CEO Freeth has been reading the pages and comments here on TF.

    If so, glad to have been of service Allan. And it must be so frustrating that your wise words fell on the same deaf ears as our attempts too because even though I’m in the UK I too wrote to NZ Minister Mr Power to no avail.

    This legislation is a breach of Human Rights and a blow for democracy.
    The MAFIAA has won this battle, but you haven’t won the war and it isn’t finished …

    • FuzzyDuck

      The war will end when the MAFIAA is defeated.

    • Anonymous

      You would think with the name New Zealand that they would welcome “new” things.

      Instead we have Old [market] Zealand and not New [market] Zealand.

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  • The Doctor

    The daft point that the media corporates don’t understand is that people will pay money to circumvent the blocks. Whether it is a VPN, seedbox, donation to private tracker or cyberlocker etc etc.

    Why do people do this? Simply because it then gives the media when they want it, in the format they want it, without restrictions.

    But they don’t to open their archives to an $15 per month style 400gig quota, any format you want example. If they did that, then imho downloading from other sources would effectively dry up. People that download have been saying give us this option for years, but obviously the ‘illegal’ downloads really can’t amount to enough for them to worry about it compared to the cash they know downliaders already spend on purchasing media.

    They refuse to offer the services globally, so the consumer obtains their media fix from elsewhere. Spotify, netflicks etc are a good start, but there are too many restrictions in a global market.

    Gov’t regulation should never support outdated business models.

  • The Doctor

    The daft point that the media corporates don’t understand is that people will pay money to circumvent the blocks. Whether it is a VPN, seedbox, donation to private tracker or cyberlocker etc etc.

    Why do people do this? Simply because it then gives the media when they want it, in the format they want it, without restrictions.

    But they don’t to open their archives to an $15 per month style 400gig quota, any format you want example. If they did that, then imho downloading from other sources would effectively dry up. People that download have been saying give us this option for years, but obviously the ‘illegal’ downloads really can’t amount to enough for them to worry about it compared to the cash they know downliaders already spend on purchasing media.

    They refuse to offer the services globally, so the consumer obtains their media fix from elsewhere. Spotify, netflicks etc are a good start, but there are too many restrictions in a global market.

    Gov’t regulation should never support outdated business models.

    • The Doctor

      Damn not so smart ph predictive text and missed words.

      • WOW

        f u

        • The Doctor

          WOW, Such an intelligent addition to the discussion.

    • Guest123

      When you make this proposition, there seem to be a few assumptions; first, that all the media companies would want to work together; secondly, that this system would provide enough money to support everyone who joins enough to encourage more artists to join; third, that someone exists with the clout to demand that all media creators join the exact same system; fourth, that pirates couldn’t just copy the design of this website, place copies of the same content on their version, and remove the charge (unless we’re saying that piracy should still be illegal and punished). Fifth; that there is a fair way of determining how much each artist should be rewarded that isn’t subject to massive abuse (total downloads or recommendations are subject to extreme inflation by a computer-savvy scammer. Purchases don’t have that problem; money spent is money spent). Sixth, that investors in the more expensive forms of media will, as a group, go along with such a solution, and see it as a means capable of providing a sizable return. And finally, the biggest one; that most pirates will, in fact, pay for such a system. The assumption you seem to make is that most pirates pay for VPNs and the like, when many (the majority in fact), do not. You also seem to think that most pirates pirate because they want something “in the format they want it, without restrictions”, instead of just wanting it for free. In my experience, money is the prime factor, the Alpha and Omega of the issue. That’s what it comes down to, and in the end, your service idea only offers convenience, with the assumption that that convenience will include everything because everyone will magically work together, and that pirates can’t replicate that convenience for free.

      There are a lot of assumptions here. This isn’t just a magical solution to the problem. It would be nice if it could work, but as long as we’re hoping, I’d like a unicorn that dispenses Japanese copies of the Rocky Horror Picture Show.

  • WOW

    WHAT you upload you get two warnings
    hows that possible all you did was one action.
    BOY they are retarded down there

  • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

    Yeah, paying for things is outdated, so give us your money and we’ll give you all the bandwidth you need to rip off artists! Getting rich at other people’s expense is clearly the most progressive business model! The ISPs want in on the piracy too you know!

    • JacksAnIdiot

      “Respondents suggested building a stronger direct connection between the artist and end-user to reduce the old-world overheads and online purchase price,” says Freeth.

      “Rather than investing in innovative ways to legally provide people with the content they want, whether music or movies, pictures or programmes, these companies choose to pressure governments into legislating.”

      In summing up, Freeth says that instead of bringing in useless laws the New Zealand government “should be breaking monopolies”, thereby creating an environment where citizens of the country can legitimately obtain content in a timely and cost-effective manner.

      Read those three excerpts from the article. Show me in any of that where it says “paying for things is outdated”. It doesn’t. Nowhere is that implied or flat out stated. If you took your head out of your a$$ for a moment, you’d see that he’s basically repeating what the people want. The highlights are: Cut out the middle men to reduce overhead and make things cheaper. Stop focusing on lobbying to keep things as is. Innovate new ways to get us your content legitimately in reasonable times and at reasonable prices.

      The ISP provides a service. They make money either way. If they’re in support of the laws or not. It makes no difference. But the ISP is saying, look we did a survey and our people said the following, how about you think about that, instead of going on as you are. You’re only hurting yourselves here, not us. You’re only alienating your customers, not us.

      You’re so f*cking retarded at times it frightens me. Like man. What you interpret from what’s actually stated is so ludicrous it’s actually hard to believe. Seriously. But no Jackie boy, keep saying the stupid things you do. We all know you will anyway, regardless of the facts. Idiot.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

      Why must you always respond with strawmen? No one said “paying for things is outdated.”

      Here’s what they said:

      “New Zealand’s distance from the source of much content has been conquered by online access, but simply making it available online while retaining old price structures and wait times doesn’t work.”

      It’s NEW ZEALAND! They have a hard time getting physical product and their competitive Pricing Point (compared to the USD) is a lot higher. So it’s more expensive to get physical goods. But having to pay the same price for digital goods makes NO sense.

    • Needlez

      @ JACK: Seriously? Are you really gonna be that idiotic? If an ISP wanted in with piracy they could easy circumvent all forms of the MPAA/RIAA finding out. They could turn there whole business model into a VPN or freenet, and release internet at the same price and just not log the users. Then how would your companies get there information? And if you say by getting the IP address you need to go back to school and learn a thing or two. IP address however you wanna think about them have no relevant data tying them to the owner of the network. Further more if you think that a person is guilty for leaving open there network, then I’m sorry to tell you but that case won’t hold up in court. Last I check it’s perfectly fine for me to run a network that is open. And further more even if my network had WEP encryption (as for example: it doesnt) I know about 5000 people that could break that in under 5 minutes. So really does it matter no. And if you say WPA or WPA2 are more secure go look into a program called pyrit or Aircrack-ng. Seriously you have no way to prove that someone didn’t get my network password log into my router, change there MAC address to clone my laptop kick me off, and then take my IP. Then run a DNS update or DHCP –renew / release. I think if this was pointed out to more judges that these things can be easily done there would be no bases for any cases brought against any file sharers. Thank you have a nice day.

  • RIAAtarded

    Bravo to the ISP for speaking out. It would have been infinitely better had they done it prior to the law being put into place. Plus should have put forward their findings in this survey because in the end the government should be taking their voters into account in the process. Sadly that is never the case and this would have been a excellent opportunity for ISP and the content provided to get together and deliver new services. Just shows a lack of innovation but coming from the entertainment industry that isn’t a surprise. They recycle everything, if it isn’t another sequel of a movie that lacks a decent story line they are taking a original film and screwing it over in a remake. That is of course if they haven’t ditched writers and actors with talent in favor of idiots or washed up celebrities in favour of reality TV.

  • Jesus TittyFucking Christ

    “A 2009 TelstraClear survey showed that customers who download copyright content were not only “tired of paying too much, and waiting too long”, but viewed physical distribution models as outdated and out-of-touch”

    Not to mention environmentally vicious and exhaustive.
    How ironic that your Jack Johnson CD will wash up on a beach in Hawaii….
    Or how the money from that purchase, will fund the bribes that turn us into criminals.
    Also this global recession is a nasty affair for us peasants.
    These greasy pricks are making millions off of talent-less mannequins…

  • Brandon

    Didn’t France pass a similar stupid 3 strike law which they are currently not enforcing anyway? Probably will be the same. If they go after somebody there gonna be alittle rioting in the streets meybe?

  • Needlez

    I say good going to Telstra Clear! If all ISPs would stand together and say look were not going to enforce your inferior systems. What would the MPAA/RIAA do? What could they do? Further more what would or could any government do? It would to a time where either no internet would exist, (highly doubtful), or the government would step in and look into the matter further as to why the ISPs won’t comply with the laws. The ISPs control most of the internet and if they banded together and forced MPAA/RIAA out I personally think that would send a big shock to all governments and the MPAA/RIAA. So I say all ISPs and all people that feel like this is an inferior, inhuman, and unjust system make your voice heard, stand up with us and fight the good fight. (In one years time I ask you to stand beside me, and we shall give them a day that they will never forget. And a fight like no other!)

    We are Anonymous!
    We are legion!
    We do not forgive!
    We do not forget!
    Expect Us!

  • Rotm

    Many lucks to you!
    Many good comments/ideas.
    Many!
    Crush Kill and destroy.

  • Trollface

    I seed for the lulz

  • Anonymous

    That whole thing is kinda silly when you think about it.
    http://www.real-privacy.au.tc

  • Anonymous

    That whole thing is kinda silly when you think about it.
    http://www.real-privacy.au.tc

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  • http://www.kingofpersonalinjurylaw.com/ Los Angeles Injury Attorneys

    Law should be convenient for all of us it should not force us to follow things which is not in favor of nay one.

  • http://www.kingofpersonalinjurylaw.com/ Los Angeles Injury Attorneys

    Law should be convenient for all of us it should not force us to follow things which is not in favor of nay one.

  • http://fuzzytutorials.com Richard Gailey

    I have noticed a sudden upsurge in the amount of search queries from New Zealand to a couple of my articles/ tutorials on VPN’s recently.

    It’s a shame when people have to use such software to use the internet.

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  • Waqasibrm

    They recycle everything, if it isn’t another sequel of a movie that lacks a decent story line they are taking a original film and screwing it over in a remake. chocolate biscuit cake

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