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ISPs Challenge to Digital Economy Act Rejected

Following complaints from two of the country’s largest ISPs, last month the High Court began its judicial review of the Digital Economy Act, the legislation put in place in the UK to deal with illicit file-sharing. Today the High Court almost completely rejected the challenge by BT and TalkTalk, with the ISPs winning only a slight concession on costs.

Last month the High Court began a judicial review of the controversial Digital Economy Act (DEA). The review was ordered after the legislation, which was rushed through by the previous Labour government, was met with complaints from two of the UK’s biggest Internet service providers, BT and TalkTalk.

Both ISPs accused the former government of pushing through the legislation without due process and questioned whether the Act is enforceable under current EU legislation. They also challenged the statutory order, currently in draft, designed to apportion the costs of meeting the requirements of the DEA.

Under the law, service providers are required to take action against subscribers flagged as illicit file-sharers and could be required to block domains associated with infringement.

Just under an hour ago, that decision arrived.

“The High Court today ruled in favour of the Government in a judicial review of measures to tackle online copyright infringement in the Digital Economy Act,” said the Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) in an announcement.

“Mr Justice Kenneth Parker upheld the principle of taking measures to tackle the unlawful downloading of music, films, books and other copyright material. BT and TalkTalk had brought the judicial review, claiming that the measures in the Act were not compliant with EU law and were not proportionate. The judge rejected the challenge.”

On the statutory order dealing with the costs of implementing the DEA, the government indicated that the ISPs could avoid some, but not all costs.

“The judicial review also considered the statutory instrument that splits the cost of the Act’s mass notification system between rights holders and internet service providers.

“The judge ruled ISPs could be made to pay a share of the cost of operating the system and the appeals process but not Ofcom’s costs from setting up, monitoring and enforcing it. The Government will now consider changes to the statutory instrument.”

In a statement responding to the judgement, a DCMS spokesperson said the government is pleased that the court has decided in favor of the DEA.

“We are pleased that the Court has recognised these measures as both lawful and proportionate. The Government remains committed to tackling online piracy and so will set out the next steps for implementation of the Digital Economy Act shortly.”

Both BT and TalkTalk say they are “disappointed” with the outcome and are considering their options. They could include going to the Court of Appeal and the European Court of Justice.

Regulatory body OFCOM is currently considering if site blocking under the DEA is a workable practice. They will report to government shortly.

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  • Cgimusic

    Why does it matter who pays for it? In the end it is the consumers and taxpayers that get the bill. It doesn’t matter if the government, the ISPs or the rights holders pay for it. They just pass the cost on and we end up paying for our own censorship. Stupid UK government.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

      It matters who pays as if anyone other than the rights holder pays, It is an invitation to copyright trolls and there will be no end to it.

      The facct they pay and ultimarely have no return as stopping piracy will not increase sales combined with the law over time being declawed due to public outrage when innocents are faced with a reversal in the burden of proof and disconnection. the law.

      In the meantime you dont want to encourage trolls by getting someone else to foot the bill.

    • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

      It’s a lot easier to avoid tax than higher internet prices.

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  • Sloma

    They should try EU Tribunal now, but I doubt they will.

    • Anon

      European Court of Justice here we come! After all it is the confict with EU legislation that is being argued.

      • Anonymous

        I do recall that the EU once ruled that the 3-strikes process and disconnection were banned in member countries but this did not apply to countries (ie France) who had such a scheme already.

        I cant guess though how the UK’s DEA plan ranks under this.

        Let us see the vomit the DEA coughs up next. At least they have shown signs of wanting to avoid the 3-strikes letter writing part (due to cost…) and to go with website blocking instead.

        • Zuriki

          Instead of 3-strikes, it’s just “you’re out!”. I am thoroughly disappointed with this outcome. Let’s add that the ever-growing pile of disappointment with my country. If only moving country was simpler; I’d have packed my bags long ago.

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  • Me

    I say RIOT

    • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

      A riot over our so called right to free things? If there is a god, they must be cringing right now.

      • Anonymous

        “If there is a god, they must be cringing right now.”

        Come on, at least get your own sentence right. “A god” would imply ONLY one. So why you said “they” meaning more than one makes no sense.

        And no one even mentioned a “right to free things”. In this case, if you actually read the article, you could assume he meant “riot” as in riot against the ruling. Because it’s a ruling that’s screwing over the ISPs.

        Again, you just attempt to twist things to your “you’re all a bunch of thieving criminals” stance. Please, just quit already. You’re not doing the “anti-piracy” crowd any favors when you say such moronic things. If anything, you’re further hurting their cause.

        And I for one do not advocate piracy. I do realize there is more to “torrents” “digital lockers” etc than just downloading copyrighted material. But then again, I bet you believe the ONLY thing on the internet to be found is porn and copyrighted material. Aren’t you in for a rude awakening when you snap out of your stupor? It’s gonna be a real slap in the face the day you get over yourself and realize your views (for the most part) are completely wrong and ill informed.

        • Anonymous

          He (Jack Murdock and a large handful of other copyright supporters active on this and similar sites) is/are actally a very positive force for anti-copyright. When you read the many paranoid unsubstantiated anti-piracy rambling comments that he/they made on this site compared to all the calm reasoned intelligent replys that he/they receive that prove him/them to be wrong time and time again. He/they are just making copyright supporters look like foolish selfish short-sighted bullys (which they are) whilst simultaneously giving copyright opponents opportunity to flex their anti-copyright muscles, with each sentence educating more and more of the ‘unsure’ demographic towards the obvious and intelligent conclusion of ‘anti-copyrightism’ (plus converting many discerning and rational pro-copyrighters to anti-copyrighters)

        • lols

          Jack Murdock = owned

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        • Anonymous

          I seriously am having trouble deciphering what you said. And I’m a hardcore reader. Basically all I’m getting is that was a semi-rant.

          You’re saying since he’s part of the anti-piracy crowd, that he makes many “unsubstantiated anti-piracy rambling comments”. And that people who do not agree with him and reply to him are calmer and making more reasoned and intelligent replies. How do you get “copyright supporters” are “foolish selfish short-sighted bullys” from that? They’re bullies because they intelligently and reasonably reply to his unsubstantiated ramblings?

          Lol. WTF?! What’s wrong with you. So anyone who replies in a logical way to someone who is rambling without proof is a bully? I mean, seriously. That’s what I’m gathering from what you just said.

          And somehow, because Jack Murdock is throwing out “unsubstantiated anti-piracy rambling comments” that is helping the anti-piracy cause? No it’s not. I mean, you have to be pretty out of it to believe that.

          What would help the anti-piracy crowd would be logical and reasonable comments. With proper proof to back up any claims made therein. That will sway people who are unsure. But making claims like “all people who download are thieves” or “yeah you just want to steal sh*t” is not going to sway people to his side. Meanwhile the other side of the debate is sharing facts and data and intelligent comments about how he is wrong, and that will gather people towards their side.

          I’m going to go ahead and end here. And give you a moment to think about what I said. Because I think you meant well with what you wrote, you just wrote it like a rant. A rant that really didn’t make any sense. Not from a logical standpoint. But then again, by your own logic, the less sense it makes the more it helps the anti-piracy crowd. In which case, congrats. You’ve converted us all to your side. /s

        • Anonymous

          But.. he said “IF there is a god” which might suggest he doesn’t believe, and therefore possibly not as braindead as he sounds. Is there hope that someday he will see the error of his ways..?

        • 7h3 |3371$7 3x7r3m1$7

          Maybe he meant the gods of the media industry which just like a Hydra are many acting as one !!! but chop off the head and it’s as dead as last years Xfactor winners career…

        • Anonymous

          >”If there is a god, they must be cringing right now.”
          >
          >Come on, at least get your own sentence right. “A god” would imply ONLY one. >So why you said “they” meaning more than one makes no sense.

          Actually, the original sentence is grammatically correct as they cannot use the terms ‘he’ or ‘she’ without implying a specific sex of said possible god. To keep the sex of the god ambiguous one should use the term ‘they’.

          Though I believe it would be better to imply the possibility of multiple gods as well as one singular god.

      • Ugly American

        I suppose “god” / “they(?)” supports copywrong.

        Too bad you can’t download salvation, “Jack” – I will pray for your soul:
        http://sgolden.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Jesus-Hates-you.jpg

  • noko

    >UK
    >rejected

    Surprise, surprise…

  • Mike Mdm

    I say tunnel vpn!!!

    • http://ilike1664.myopenid.com/ Theydontunderstandpirates

      Fuck’em! I just ordered my VPN service after hearing this.

      • Anon

        The public has always paid the costs of their own administration, online won’t be any different. And yes, by all means order a VPN so you can keep breaking the law online. That’ll seem like a great idea until they outlaw VPN’s for consumer use. Then encryption. Then p2p gets licensed and monitored. Working together, government and industry will do whatever it takes to protect digital product online, taking one abused “right” after another until you either stop or lose your technical ability altogether. The public won’t object and there’s not one shred of evidence to indicate otherwise.

        Anonymous, unlawful behavior is ruining the internet because pirates never learn.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          ” That’ll seem like a great idea until they outlaw VPN’s for consumer use.”

          Making online bank account handling, online gaming, and basically any online transaction requiring password protection completely impossible.
          You apparently also have absolutely no idea how impossible what you just stated is to accomplish in any real terms. Let me give you a minor hint – whatever nation attempts this will be breaking their economy in flinders all across the board as modern banking, stock brokers, every international industry basically ceases to work. Homebased workforce? No longer an option.

          Oh, yes…”licensing” and “outlawing” VPN…You mean like China tried to?

          My first question would be whether you are just trolling or if you really ARE as willfully ignorant as your posting indicates. Sadly i suspect the latter.

        • Momo

          It’s not as if the US hasn’t tried to outlaw encryption before, or that it isn’t already banned in China (our politicians’ model state, apparently), or that the US isn’t currently trying to legally require a back-door in all encrypted communications right now.

          Besides, they don’t even need to ban encryption. They just need to make VPNs liable for what users do with them, like they’ve more or less done with ISPs. Even easier, they need to hack the law to make VPNs = ISPs and their problems are solved… and our illusion of online privacy is completely destroyed. Then what?

          In other words, I think what the Anon said, even though extremely depressing, may turn true. If we let them, they’ll even take encryption away… and I don’t really see the people doing anything about it.

          People aren’t paying attention to the Pirate Parties, they aren’t rioting in the streets, they aren’t writing to their politicians… They are bitching on a forum, which is pretty much what they’ve been doing all along.

        • http://ilike1664.myopenid.com/ Theydontunderstandpirates

          The reasoning behind the government asking for back-doors through encryption and some random film studio lobbying for the removal of encryption so they can spy on everyone are vastly different.

          I the UK we have the BBC, I pay a license and I get some of the best entertainment, sport and music to my house with no adverts. So instead of removing all of my civil rights and making me a criminal in the process, charge a yearly (sensible) license fee and get the fuck outta my face!

        • Guess

          something like this was preposed over a decade ago, same system thats used when films are shown on the bbc itv etc, with a static £6 tax on every broadband connection, the industry in its greed to keep its license to print money rejected this.
          basicly the way things are atm they’ve brought down upon themselfs and instead of adapting like any business that wants to stay in business and thrive, they keep screaming like a b**ch and having hissy fits because THEY refuse to adapt and change

        • Guess

          something like this was preposed over a decade ago, same system thats used when films are shown on the bbc itv etc, with a static £6 tax on every broadband connection, the industry in its greed to keep its license to print money rejected this.
          basicly the way things are atm they’ve brought down upon themselfs and instead of adapting like any business that wants to stay in business and thrive, they keep screaming like a b**ch and having hissy fits because THEY refuse to adapt and change

        • http://ilike1664.myopenid.com/ Theydontunderstandpirates

          The reasoning behind the government asking for back-doors through encryption and some random film studio lobbying for the removal of encryption so they can spy on everyone are vastly different.

          I the UK we have the BBC, I pay a license and I get some of the best entertainment, sport and music to my house with no adverts. So instead of removing all of my civil rights and making me a criminal in the process, charge a yearly (sensible) license fee and get the fuck outta my face!

        • Qwe

          Are you daft?

          They can’t just “make VPNs liable”

          The ENTIRE POINT of a VPN is evading jurisdiction. As soon as the VPN is outside of the US/UK/Whatever, they can’t do a thing without tons of international cooperation. These countries cant even agree on whom to go to war with.

        • Ven

          They can force the VPN to play ball or block it’s IP address. And VPN’s will by and large cave because their business is on the line.

          It really is the only solution in the long run: governments want to be able to deal with file-sharing, people increasingly run and hide behind VPNs. The lawmakers and copyright holders aren’t going to sit and say, “Oh they jumped behind a VPN! Ahaha YOU GOT US!!!”

          Only a matter of time. People want to believe that the internet is somehow going to give utopian freedoms. The reality is that the internet runs on government-subsidized hardware, and it is run by giant corporations that become and stay giant by playing dirty within the laws.

        • http://ilike1664.myopenid.com/ Theydontunderstandpirates

          Man you really are clueless!

          Where to start?… First I guess it would be everything Scary said +1

          “unlawful behavior is ruining the internet because pirates never learn.”
          I would like to counter that with
          “Rights holders will never learn, piracy has been on going for decades and instead of adapting their business models to this massively connected free distribution network, they pay politicians to make criminals of the citizens there are supposed to protect”

          “outlaw VPN’s for consumer use. Then encryption. Then p2p gets licensed and monitored.”
          Way to go genius! Your advocating an online police state effectively turning the internet into a tool solely for spying on users! And in your ignorance, arrogance or just plain fecklessness you think “the public won’t object”!

        • Anon

          “you think “the public won’t object”!”

          They won’t. As long as they can get to Facebook and watch 10 or 12 minutes of pron now and then, they won’t. The overwhelming majority of users worldwide won’t even raise their hand. And you know it.

          Unlawful online behavior will change the internet permanently in the years and decades ahead, and there’s nothing you can do about it unless you want to storm your capital with torches and pitchforks. Have at it, I say.

          SDMonestary points to industrial VPN downstream to consumers for banking and such and eventually, all that will be licensed via governmental administration and the industries will be accountable to what goes on in their VPNetworks while consumers will lose the ability to set themselves up independently and hide.

          You don’t get this because you don’t want to get it. Show me a place in human history, any place anywhere anytime, where lawlessness had to be allowed and was left in place because a few people on a pirate forum demand they have rights that protect the lawbreaking.

          As free speech, no less. lol

        • Momo

          Lawlessness? You mean like the slaves demanding their rights back? Guess what, they prevailed.

          I’d also love to have back my right to do with my real, physical property what I want to do without interference from some imaginary privileges granted to sustain corporations and failed business models. I mean, we’re talking about laws that make it illegal to copy digital files — how reasonable is that?

          It’s not the pirates’ fault that privacy is being destroyed, it’s the politicians’ fault because they are failing to protect their constituents’ rights. It’s their job to protect our rights, not to listen to corporate lobbyists and pass protectionist laws.

          Pirates are being used as an excuse by certain administrations and corporations to control the internet. Even if piracy didn’t exist, someone else would be playing that role, be it child pornographers or whatever. Blame those who are to blame, not those being used.

          All that having been said, I hope people react and demand that politicians stop signing our rights away… but I’m under no illusion that today’s democracy is working as it should.

        • Anon

          ” I’m under no illusion that today’s democracy is working as it should. ”

          Wrong again. It’s working PRECISELY as is should. People get the governments they deserve because if they truly wanted something different, they’d change it.

          While you think that YOU have the “right” to tell us how democracy “should work”. Arrogant, ignorant and entitled. The Pirate’s Creed. I couldn’t have revealed you better myself.

        • Anonymous

          @Anon
          “Wrong again. It’s working PRECISELY as is should. People get the governments they deserve because if they truly wanted something different, they’d change it.”

          With basically a realistic choice from two or three people (depending on country) who are all pretty much the same, with pretty much the same idaes and ambitions, and pretty much the same connections in the same close circles. Does that really sound like a free and true democracy? Be honest with yourself..

        • Momo

          @Anon

          The world is a perfect place. The people elected are always right. Apparently, I’m ignorant because I think they aren’t.

          As for the arrogance? All yours.

        • Anon

          The world is a perfect place.

          Never said that, never implied it. But the world *is* a perfect reflection of precisely who we are, warts and all. You are having an argument with reality which is what makes it so entertaining to watch. The fact remains that when people have had enough, they overthrow. It’s everywhere in history. The worlds great cultures will not overthrow on the basis of a delusional right to free stuff. Get over it.

          The people elected are always right.

          Didn’t say that either, didn’t imply it. But the people in office are the right ones at any given moment if you believe in elections. And if you don’t? Then wear your tinfoil proudly while they lead you off.

          Apparently, I’m ignorant because I think they aren’t.

          No, you are ignorant because only an ass would compare the struggle against human slavery and the noble overthrow of that oppression with digital piracy and your sense of entitlement to avoid paying for digital goods, the yield from other peoples labor. If you ever wonder why the worlds governments are marginalizing you again and again in response to your disrespect for the simple rules of an organized culture, keep a mirror handy. Everything is moving to digital, virtually everything. It’s your ignorance that is to blame and we are all losing because of it. A few acting in bad faith always spoil freedom for the many. That’s part of history, too.

        • Momo

          @Anon

          You talk about our freedoms being taken away because of piracy, but you also say I’m wrong to compare this to slavery. Is this or is this not about our freedoms? Between the ad homs, you seem to agree that it is.

          If you understand that this is really about freedoms and not just about “free stuff”, why would you argue against our freedoms? Because you think you’d get more money if those freedoms were taken away? What’s the price of your freedoms?

          It’s a pretty straightforward problem, really. In one hand you have copyright and in the other your freedoms. You can only keep one. Which do you choose?

          If you do value your freedoms, why are you not outraged that people are not in the streets “overthrowing” when their rights are being removed? I’m talking about all people, not just the pirates. Like you said, it’s everybody’s freedoms that are being taken — so why are they all silent?

          Why are they silent when the TSA are shoving their hands up their ass?

          Because apathetic and ignorant citizens with a ceremonial right to vote do not a democracy make. Neither do election candidates who are all identical but have different names. Neither do elected representatives who neglect their duties to their constituents for corporate money.

          Perhaps some day when you’ve eventually reasoned out what I’m trying to tell you, you’ll be the one telling your peers that if they lose their freedoms nothing else will matter.

        • Anon

          “In one hand you have copyright and in the other your freedoms. You can only keep one.”

          Neither are mutually exclusive and never were. There are lawful uses of technology and unlawful uses. You have freedom to say some things and not others, free to go some places and not others, free to do some things and not many other things. You are not free to copy the protected work of others.

          Setting up a fallacy straw man doesn’t evidence your point. It evidences you don’t comprehend. Perhaps you are not capable of acting responsibly with your internet connection and why the governments are acting accordingly.

          The Universal Declaration of Human Rights
          December 10, 1948, the General Assembly of the United Nations
          ARTICLE 27.
          Section?(2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.

        • Momo

          @Anon

          I didn’t set up any straw man. In fact, I followed your very own reasoning: you clearly said “A few acting in bad faith always spoil freedom for the many.” If there are freedoms at stake because of copyright enforcement against piracy, you have to choose which of the two is more precious to you.

          Obviously, if ISPs are doing DPI on everything that passes through internet connections, everyone’s privacy is seriously compromised so you can enforce your copyrights. How is that a reasonable tradeoff? It’s not, and you know it.

          You rather ironically bring up the Declaration of Human Rights. When the text was being drafted in ’48 I doubt they envisioned copyright coming at odds with other rights, especially ones listed very high up in the document. It’s up to us, today, to sort out the disruption caused by new technologies such as the internet, not up to a document written right after WWII.

        • Anon

          “If there are freedoms at stake because of copyright enforcement against piracy, you have to choose which of the two is more precious to you.”

          No, actually you don’t have to choose, that’s the straw man, freedom and copyright have coexisted for 300 years. The option is behavior in alignment with the law. Your straw man assumes the inevitability of unlawful online behavior so that current property concepts and rule of law must make the changes to accommodate your illegality. That’s a demonstrably false assumption and there’s a lot more lawlessness online than just simple copyright infringement. And ALL will come under surveillance. Moderating illegal behavior through surveillance, trial and incarceration comes next if it keeps up, no reasonable culture just bows down to lawlessness online or off.

          Look at it this way, in any culture on the planet within the realm of unlawful behavior there is no “right” to privacy nor freedom. Never was, no right at all, and “you can’t stop us” was the dumbest negotiating position.

          Privacy and freedom are privileges that come with accountable responsibility directly to them. Abuse the privilege, inevitably lose that privilege. Is there a legal system anywhere in the world that works differently?

          You potentially trade away these privileges everytime you do something illegal, whether online or off, which is why “civil disobedience” to get free copies of entertainment is a poor strategy if you want to retain your privileges. That’s why you bring all this upon yourself and how you discredit your position, your philosophy, even your movement. If that doesn’t sound right to you, perhaps a man in jail can better explain it.

        • Momo

          @Anon

          It’s still not a straw man at all. Here’s a straw man:

          “freedom and copyright have coexisted for 300 years”

          Which, of course, is not relevant at all since the internet has only existed for 20, and private copying technology for about 35ish. Historically, copyright only affected publishing companies, and only recently has it started to restrict the freedoms of individuals in increasingly dangerous ways.

          A law that makes it illegal for me to use my computer as I like is a law that restricts the use of my property in my very own home. That law can only be properly enforced through surveillance of what I do with my computer, so it’s a law that invades my personal privacy in ways never seen before in a democracy.

          It’s not unlike putting a video camera in every room of your house to make sure you don’t break any laws, like for example smoke weed or build a bomb. It goes against the very essence of personal privacy, and surely not something anyone would support for any reason other than short-lived personal gain.

          “That’s a demonstrably false assumption and there’s a lot more lawlessness online than just simple copyright infringement. And ALL will come under surveillance. Moderating illegal behavior through surveillance, trial and incarceration comes next if it keeps up, no reasonable culture just bows down to lawlessness online or off.”

          I can think of no online “crimes” that are harmful enough to our society to warrant the death of communications privacy, certainly none that weren’t also possible over the phone — including bank fraud.

          Because complete internet surveillance is possible doesn’t mean it’s automatically a good thing.

          “in any culture on the planet within the realm of unlawful behavior there is no “right” to privacy nor freedom. Never was, no right at all, and “you can’t stop us” was the dumbest negotiating position”

          Those are inalienable rights enjoyed by everyone, including criminals, that our forebears died to put in place when western democracies were being founded. They are not privileges, unlike the privilege of copyright that was rather one-sidedly lobbied into law and is now coming at odds with such inalienable rights.

          “That’s why you bring all this upon yourself and how you discredit your position, your philosophy, even your movement. If that doesn’t sound right to you, perhaps a man in jail can better explain it.”

          Like I said before, you shouldn’t be blaming the people who react to a bad law, that’s unfair as they are victims too. Blame the people who put the bad law in place. Blame the people who are using the bad law to take your freedoms from you. Blame your elected representatives who are not protecting your freedoms. Blame the complacent public at large for not speaking up to defend their freedoms.

          And most importantly, you should blame yourself for speaking in support of the bad law in question. If anyone here is discrediting their philosophy and movement it’s you — you are the one defending something as vile and totalitarian as complete internet surveillance. I cannot for the life of me fathom how anyone could rationalise that as a positive thing, at least not any sensible and conscientious citizen not blinded by money.

        • Anon

          “A law that makes it illegal for me to use my computer as I like is a law that restricts the use of my property in my very own home”

          Try this.
          “A law that makes it illegal for me to use my automobile as I like is a law that restricts the use of my property on roads that MY taxes pay for.”

          See what I did there? What makes you think property ownership or privacy privilege will EVER trump illegal behavior?

          This is a tough discussion because you don’t recognize that the legal playing field isn how these things sort out. If pirates actually organized and engaged, they’d have lots of legal clout. As it is, “pirate”, “principles” and “courage” are all mutually exclusive. Pirates hide, break the law and bitch on forums, and precious little else, so the people who are out in public debating and acting lawfully are the ones who will naturally gain the ground. (While you throw around “bribery”, of course.)

          You have every right to privacy in your home until you use that privacy ONCE to mask unlawful behavior, just once, and I don’t care what that unlawful act is. On discovery they’ll storm right in your front door fully legally. And they do, everyday and so you, my friend, are going to have to adjust to reality that this set of legal principles will also be put into place on the network we share, in my view just as it should be, or you will waste your voice in a struggle against what civilization takes comfort in and what pirates hate because it gets harder and more complicated to infringe riskfree.

          “Those are inalienable rights enjoyed by everyone, including criminal”

          Demonstrably false, and here we go again. “Inalienable” means intrinsic, sir, not able to be taken away for any reason or under any circumstance. That’s why I referenced jailtime. If rights to privacy were truly inalienable, jail would be unconstitutional. I think we need to stop. You don’t know your history or your caselaw, you refuse to acknowledge the framework within which all this will be resolved, you honestly believe privacy will trump illegality (which is a real kneeslapper in an evolved society, when you think about it) and you just seem to like to complain. Gee, a pirate complaining. Imagine that.

        • Momo

          @Anon

          “A law that makes it illegal for me to use my automobile as I like is a law that restricts the use of my property on roads that MY taxes pay for.”

          My home and computer (my private property) are not public property by any stretch of the imagination, however a public road is public property. If I had a huge farm, I could use my car on it any way I liked without being subject to speeding laws. See what I did there? Your straw man is up in flames again.

          “If pirates actually organized and engaged, they’d have lots of legal clout.”

          Again you pretend that it’s only pirates being affected by this. Not true. Everyone’s freedoms are being limited and everyone’s privacy is being taken away.

          “You have every right to privacy in your home until you use that privacy ONCE to mask unlawful behavior, just once, and I don’t care what that unlawful act is. On discovery they’ll storm right in your front door fully legally.”

          Are you even paying attention? That’s precisely the problem. It’s not possible to discover what people are doing privately on their computers without strict surveillance. Enforcing your favourite law is impossible without violating everyone’s privacy, and we’re talking about an unprecedented level of surveillance.

          ““Inalienable” means intrinsic, sir, not able to be taken away for any reason or under any circumstance. That’s why I referenced jailtime.”

          Ok, if an “intrinsic” right is taken away, that goes against nature. If a legal right is taken away, the law is changed. Get it?

          Jailtime is the suspension of the rights of some exceptional cases, not the suspension of the rights of everyone without exception. Still with me?

          “you honestly believe privacy will trump illegality (which is a real kneeslapper in an evolved society, when you think about it)”

          In an evolved society, I would definitely expect the fundamental right of privacy to trump bad law. In our shitty “warts and everything” society, I’m somewhat apprehensive.

        • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

          “Show me a place in human history, any place anywhere anytime, where lawlessness had to be allowed and was left in place…”

          1. French Revolution;
          2. US Declaration of Independence;
          3. The Boxer Uprising – China;
          4. Feck me, how many more do you want you fuckwit dummy?

        • Anon

          Those are three examples of where one set of laws were overruled and replaced by others. I’ve been consistent; live under the laws in place or overthrow them. But to VPN sneak around breaking the laws you don’t respect and whining about government and law enforcement only results in our collective loss of freedoms. Even a fuckwit dummy can see that.

        • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

          Oh really? So wtf is the average fuckwit’s take on democracy when we have a vast majority of the filesharing populace happy to share freely for no cash, no profit and no gain whilst “the industry” buys judges and politicians to change the law to suit themselves – and using the cash WE gave them in the first place?

          Market forces are no more, and government by corporate interests is better is it? Let’s just see how that plays out in reality Comrade Fuckwit.

        • Guess

          very simple numbnuts, pirate radio back during the period rock music was banned in britain, international waters with ships broadcasting their own radio stations, and there’s plenty of abandoned ex oil rigs in international waters which can be converted for a veriaty of things, facter in sat broadband which given theirs quite a few sats currently up for sale due to bankruptcys etc and then it’s completely OUTSIDE of ANY countries durisdiction fact you DONT know british history shows your not brit yourself

        • Ven

          “Rights holders will never learn, piracy has been on going for decades and instead of adapting their business models to this massively connected free distribution network, they pay politicians to make criminals of the citizens there are supposed to protect”

          Not quite accurate. Copyright law isn’t about money, it’s about distribution rights. Copyright holders are free to toss their stuff online to share with the world. Or, they are free to charge $100 per song. Since nobody is forced to purchase their wares, there is nothing wrong with this. Since music and film are not in anyway utilities required for living, the government won’t step in and enforce price floors/ceilings or other limitations on the industry.

          “And in your ignorance, arrogance or just plain fecklessness you think “the public won’t object”! ”

          I actually think the public will support it in many cases. True anonymity will is (in the uneducated mind) going to be associated with hackers, child pornographers, terrorists, and thieves. Now we both know that isn’t what we are talking about here, but a well-presented argument will convince a lot of people that blocking VPNs will be good for the quality of their internet experience.

          And when you get right down to it, the protected rights we have on the internet (at least in the US where all of these companies reside) have nothing to do with anonymity.

        • Guess

          the internet belongs to the world with built in freedoms, NOT a industry thats been “stealing” from consumers, a LOT of us remember the prices of concerts lps etc before CDs were introduced, after they were the prices went through the roof “new technology” we were told, look at the prices of plasma screens when they were introduced and what they cost now, THAT is an example of new technology and how it does actualy affect prices short and long term, the days of labels being able to charge what ever the hell they like is dying slowly but surely while the industry refuses to adapt and change in their own greed if labels are protecting the artists interests why are eminem and others sueing said labels? as for “outlawing vpns for consumer use”, please try, even if you manage to get that done, something else will come up replacing it, and all this repugnant law has done is opened the floodgates for the blackhat and greyhat community DAMN GOOD GOING…. just what they need, more bots for botnets. the DEA is fundamentaly flawed and ultimatly unlawful in itself, it breaches the RIPA law for one and also as IPs can be spoofed…. and when the lawsuits start against the labels and studios you have ONLY yourselfs to blame, because people WILL take you to court over it, hell look at the debacle the ACS:Law legal extrotion created to see whats going to happen, and btw if the BPA FACT etc’s IPs start appearing on “alleged copy right infringement downloads” does this also mean they get written letters from their ISPs? because this law equaly applies no? :)

      • Anonymous

        One thing to be aware of is that The Pirate Bay can come SSL encrypted already which comes under https://thepiratebay.org.

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  • Anon

    Did anyone suspect that the outcome would be different? We’ve seen enough evidence that Judges are in the pocket of the copy-wrong industry to have expected this.

  • http://toby7728.myopenid.com/ TT7728

    I hope they take it to the Court of Appeals, or the European Court of Justice. This ruling is completely unfair. Our government is a piece of shit.

    • Dood

      Agree. The whole concept of ISPs issuing warnings to account holders following accusation of infringement removes the age-old right to habeus corpus. The ISPs cannot know who actually infringed, and it is NOT the responsibility of the account holder to monitor all activity on their network. Imagine if a corporate network is used to infringe a copyright, is the person whose role is that of ‘accounts-payable’ (the company contact who signs off to pay the ISP invoices) responsible for all network activity, or is the sysadmin, or in fact is it the MD, CEO or Chairman? Habeus corpus would force the accuser to bring forth evidence to show the guilty party – it’s a basic right in law and although IANAL I’m sure the EU laws would support this concept.

      • Borderliner

        If I’m not mistaken there is a major problem with this – it applies to criminal cases. Copyright infrigement generally is not a criminal, but a civil matter. Hence the “guilty until proven innocent” approach doesn’t actually apply.

        There is a solution, but it does bring along it’s own a dilemma – if copyright infrigement is turned into a criminal action, then the accuser would have to prove (withouth a reasonable doubt) the guilt of the accused one. No more that “pay up or else” and “tracker spitted out your IP hence you owe us money” crap. However if the guilt can be proven then people will face real prison times (something that currently is handed out to most extreme cases to pre-releasers).
        If the court system would have to deal with putting half of the countries citizens into jail then perhaps they’d rethink the whole situation, but how many “ingrigers” would actually want to go through this? Principles are nice, but they’re even nicer when you’re not behind the bars for having ‘em.

  • IDIOCRACY

    Principally it could be very easy to tackle this law, just refuse internet connections at all because you cannot monitor them within the current system, so therefore you cannot comply with the DEA and therefore you have to end ALL internet activity which will render the country and government inoperable. See there a way to take the government hostage (legally). BUT NOOO that costs a shitload of money too. So … there goes your Human right to receive information and protection of your privacy. All because of MONEY
    And then to think that the Magna Carta was invented to secure the rights of the citizens and not to make it possible to enforce the law.
    People (and specially Goverments) seem to have forgotten that the Laws and citizens rights are there in the first place to garantee the freedom and rights of the citizens and after that comes getting the bad guys, but on the FIRST place comes always FREEDOM.
    By the way, if BT takes this to European court, the might still win.

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  • LyleD

    He completely ignored the due process allegation or what?

    Damn corrupt judges :/

  • Lads

    time to change the government.

    • Ah-ha-ha-ha

      We did, the new one wants this too.

  • Lads

    time to change the government.

  • UK Resident

    I just received my leaflet about voting to change the voting system I think I will vote yes if for no other reason than to shake the system up a bit. and hopefully get rid of all the rotting wood currently in the house of commons.

    • Momo

      Quite frankly, that’s the best thing a voter can do to prevent this sort of thing: break the ruling “monopoly” of the Labour and Conservative sell-outs!

    • Momo

      Quite frankly, that’s the best thing a voter can do to prevent this sort of thing: break the ruling “monopoly” of the Labour and Conservative sell-outs!

      • I DONT CARE

        You forgot the liberal democr– never mind, you already said them when you said Conservative, my bad.

    • http://toby7728.myopenid.com/ TT7728

      Noooo! Vote NO to AV. The 3 countries that currently have it want to get rid of it. It does nothing good for democracy.

      • Phobophobia

        changes, good or bad, will lead to more changes in the future – if you prolong the stagnation, its not going to get better.

        think of it as setting up an F1 car, you make adjustments and see if there is an improvement, there is no final perfect set-up because the tech is constantly being updated,

        there needs to be a state of constant innovation and renewal.

  • Whatever

    First thought already in previous comments (what else did one expect).
    Second thought in these cases is always: What is the background of this judge ?

    There have been so many suspicious links to the MAFIAA that it is possible to assume “guilty until proven innocent” (the system governments are prefering these days ever more themselves ).

  • Ninja

    Srsly, after all the taxes increase, after ruining the UK economy, how much of a fail can the UK Government be?

  • freedom

    where the freedom gone, watch as try put the prices of buying music,dvd and otherthing and still say it to do with people downing, that put prices up. people who down load want choice no be stuck with stream

  • Ah-ha-ha-ha

    If torrents were subtly renamed do the ISPs have to give out the info for a torrent which doesn’t go by the exact name of their product?

  • Ah-ha-ha-ha

    If torrents were subtly renamed do the ISPs have to give out the info for a torrent which doesn’t go by the exact name of their product?

    • Borderliner

      Yes. The exact name is unimportant, what is important is the representative’s claim that it deals with their product. Thats the real problem by now – because the accuser doesn’t have to prove his claim, then there’s also no real reason fo him to verify the correctness of his claim (and the ISP certanly has no way to check if the claim is legimate or not).

  • Ah-ha-ha-ha

    Can’t see TalkTalk getting their shit together on this one anyway, they can’t even keep their broadband usage stats working all the time. Then when people all start switching to 5gb/month accounts rather than paying for larger amounts, they’ll soon start panicking and sort something out. I hope.

  • Ah-ha-ha-ha

    Can’t see TalkTalk getting their shit together on this one anyway, they can’t even keep their broadband usage stats working all the time. Then when people all start switching to 5gb/month accounts rather than paying for larger amounts, they’ll soon start panicking and sort something out. I hope.

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  • Guest

    What is the point of a judicial review and why did the ISPs bother with it? This needs to have Parliamentary involvement and we need to give other parties a reason why it will be reviewed. BT could start with full page ads in the paper slamming it. That should help get some attention to the cause.

  • Guest

    What a fucked UK court decide or not decide is irrelevant.

    The bottom line is that the corporate parasites and their government Mignon are going to end up with their heads on picks soon.

  • Jigsy

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. “Democracy” simply just doesn’t work…

    • Anonymous

      And just what do you suggest we replace it with?

      Democracy may not be perfect and open to corruption and abuse but it is the only system to put power into the hands of the public though elected officials. It had to be slowly won over many years from the power of the monarchy.

      Communism may sound nice but fails then a dictatorship is a bit too brutal.

  • RIAA are dinosaurs

    Next Stop: The European Courts!

  • getoffayaweebassa

    when one can visit the local library and download the latest movie with government computers i see no change in whatever law is passed. they are unenforceable laws made by politicians kept in the dark by supposedly professional IT engineers and programmers. crap, these people do not know jack. you cannot make laws on fear alone. this law will never pass, because if it does you-tube, the guardian,live-leak and the likes will have to close down in the UK, streaming anything will be an offense. the UK is already fast on its way to being a member of the fourth world(the third world title was 2010, just ask the pope) making laws like this one will definitely put it right up there with………… and yes of course it will go to the European courts

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  • Xxhaz07xx

    Sadly not even half of the politicians bothered to turn up to vote for the Digital Economy bill, 5% turned up and most of them were labour. they should be a law were a act of parliment can only be passed if 50% of mp`s turn up and vote.

    • Loopholes

      There needs to be a knot tied in this loophole that people can sneak legislation through at the end of their time. In any country, not just UK. US has the same difficulties.

      Going out of office? Need a large bonus? Pass this bill and we’ll talk.

    • Ah-ha-ha-ha

      not wishing to defend our slack brained politicians but some don’t turn up because they basically trade with a counter part. “if i’m voting yes and you’r voting no, and neither of us turn it it makes no odds”.

      There’s also such a thing as a party whip which is usually enforced, free votes being quite rare, so other than independents and the few from the smallest parties represented, most of the time they’ll know the vote result even before it’s taken place. Unless there’s lots of dissatisfied members in a party who will go against the whip.

      Final point, both main parties were for this bill which frankly means it was always going to pass.

      But yes it is disheartening to see bills being passed which are so crucial and also break habeus corpus, with so few members in attendance. And so little media coverage.

  • Xxhaz07xx

    Sadly not even half of the politicians bothered to turn up to vote for the Digital Economy bill, 5% turned up and most of them were labour. they should be a law were a act of parliment can only be passed if 50% of mp`s turn up and vote.

  • Gae

    I guess in the end money always talks the loudest.

  • Stryke5

    peoples bill will go up and up and if they stop all the sharing you can bet the bills wont go back down plus vat the back handers must be flying super sonic,some teenagers in work said there gonna start a group called wreck the net because they feel that the government have gone above any type of licence fee and want to keep it that way,welcome to the more greedy more powerful replacement of acs law criteria

  • Stryke5

    peoples bill will go up and up and if they stop all the sharing you can bet the bills wont go back down plus vat the back handers must be flying super sonic,some teenagers in work said there gonna start a group called wreck the net because they feel that the government have gone above any type of licence fee and want to keep it that way,welcome to the more greedy more powerful replacement of acs law criteria

  • mike

    the isp people will love it dissconecting fees and reconnecting fees fees for the letters,this dea is a licence to control and make money,never mind if your innocent you still pay,unless you want to hire a solicitor just like dl and acs law your bolloxed

  • Piratepal

    There was a program on Radio 4 about this act, flawed before it starts and all they will catch are ones that have downloaded the odd tune, the real pirates are freely uploading content and will continue to do so because they will always be one step ahead of stupid gvt legislation, pirates know how to sidestep everything that is being planned even before it is launched, the real reason behind this act is to secure Mandy’s retirement fund. As for me, well I infringe everything in sight but I am sensible and use all the tools of the internet at my disposal, no one knows where I am or what I do and it’s so simple to use, silly gvt bods just think they are in front on this one and sadly they never will be!

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      On the topic of our darling (Labour Party) Lord Mandy and his direct involvement in initiating and creating the Digital eRip-Off Act this YouTube ‘letter to Mandy’ by Dan Bull still remains apropo to this day. Enjoy guys, it’s a good one :)

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_P4lJD_OPI

      But more seriously the best speech in the truncated, wash-up debate by MP’s was this terrific, eyebrow-raising delivery by Labour MP Ms Taggart speaking AGAINST her own government and Party Whip -

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWlEYEOjngY

      She really does do politics justice with this delivery and content.
      Note the dates of both these vids too.

    • Anon

      Yes. You are very hip.

  • 7h3 |3371$7 3x7r3m1$7

    I was going to ask ‘Where is the love’ but then i sussed out they sell it in boxes for valentines day, it isn’t real love mind you but they package it that way and just as cd’s etc you can’t get a refund or exchange if it isn’t to your liking…

    So the next time you hear those words “Give a little love this [insert here, christmas, easter, valentines etc etc] just think AT WHAT COST !!

    All is fair in love n war it just seems unfair cos some people have more money to fight the losing battle…

    [I think licking that Gong Cd that was in the cupboard wasn't a good idea]

  • Mike Mdm

    oh…nasty government has disconnected me from the internet…..ok Sky, Talk Talk, BT, Virgin….. i no longer need my telephone connection or tv subscription so can you please cancel all of the services I purchase from you…..including line rental.
    Walk out of door, buy mobile sim card, buy internet minutes……………………………….

    • Anonymous

      Yes as long as you don’t give them your name, address or credit card number then they don’t know who you are. So just buy a SIM and top it up at some local store using cash.

      They could technically triangulate your location and manually hunt for a matching SIM but they won’t be doing that for minor infringement.

      The best mobile Internet service I have seen to date is T-Mobile PAYG. Like usual they charge £5 for 1GB but unlike the others their 1GB is only a guide and they really do provide an unlimited link. For example in the first month you can do 4GB easily, or even rape them for more, with no complaint at all.

      Only in following months can they limit your service for exceeding their 1GB which is why it is best to have two or three T-Mobile SIMs and to switch between them each month. Also their restrictions should you use the single SIM may be quite vocal but to date they also seem quite toothless and their service continues with minor change.

      In their T&C using BT is banned, along with using your phone as a computer modem, but these are rules they simply don’t enforce. Best avoid being disruptive to their network by downloading at night when possible. The largest fault is no open ports for incoming connections ideally needed for your BT listening port but that is common on all mobile Internet links.

      Other services like Virgin and Orange provide worse Internet when their 1GB limit really does mean 1GB and once exceeded they then rape your balance by charging for each additional 1MB. On a busy link that can strip £5 or £10 from you balance in like 1 minute prior to link death.

      • getoffayaweebassa

        3 is better..

  • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

    I’m neither surprised nor worried by this decision of the High Court simply because it’s the 1st stage of the judicial review process and, up to a point, is to be expected of ‘lower Courts’.

    So we need an appeal to the next UK court OR an application to the ECJ (European Court of Justice), but if I remember correctly, the potential appellants/losers cannot do both on the same grounds or reasons to both Courts. It has to be one route or the other at this stage, but I’m sure Counsel will advise appropriately.

    I just hope this case does go further because if it doesn’t, then that High Court decision will make UK case law and will remain binding on all parties as well as the extent that the Digital Economy Act will go – and more depressingly, that means the eventual extent of its subordinate legislation (eg Regulations, Orders, Directives etc).

    In short, the whole Act is a pure unadulterated fuckup and an outrageous insult to 21st century people. It exists simply because the USA’s MAFIAA has bought US government influence who, in turn, is pressuring governments worldwide to adopt these draconian, fascistic laws to protect their industry from being improved and modernised.

    Andy/enigmax wrote in the article above that, “Both ISPs accused the former government of pushing through the legislation without due process and questioned whether the Act is enforceable under current EU legislation. They also challenged the statutory order, currently in draft, designed to apportion the costs of meeting the requirements of the DEA.”

    This is simply an economics argument to determine who pays what. It’s not really a challenge to the legal status of the Act as a whole – so don’t trust (yet) your ISP to protect your privacy or your rights. You STILL need to do that yourself by writing to your local politician(s) and in the UK by moaning at the DCMS.

    Make it so …

    • Anon

      Rob, for as long as ” industry.. being improved and modernised” remains your philosophical equivalent of “you can’t stop us from making free copies of every digital product, formula, merchandise or design ever again driving their nominal cost to zero because privacy laws protect us while we do this”, you are kidding yourself and we all lose.

      Grow up.

      • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

        Oh good one Anon – your witty comedown has left me so devastated I can’t think of an intelligent response … lol

  • Blackjesus

    Talk talk should do what that Swedish ISP did route there whole network through a vpn and make the whole network anonymous, F*ck our law makers, judges, goverment & corporations. I know its said over and over but when will they start listening to US the people and what we want. Im sick of them pouring money in to fighting a losing war.

  • Horsemeat

    Guilty until proven innocent…
    Unauthorised websites not allowed…
    Privacy???

    Sounding more and more like China everyday… The sad part is they think they are protecting people from themselves in their facist way. Like a previous poster has said, if not for piracy they would only use another excuse so in the end it’s pointless.

    Unfortunatly democracy is a lie, no matter who you vote for the people in power are not serving the people, they are serving themselves. The UK government(s) is the worst example of this, they dictate what vehicles we can drive in London retrospectivly, how much money they can extract from fuel to the point where people are having to sacrifice things to continue. They will not stop until they control almost all of our aspects of out lives.

    Don’t even get me started on multi-culuralism… and their delusions that everyone in the word wants to be our furry friend. No, just like the people in power people are selfish and want as much as they can for themselves, just like the people who activly come here in excessive numbers, why else would they? The same as the people forcing their laws on us. I don’t blame them, I blame the people in control.

    Name me one government in the word that truly serves the people and not their own interests? They seem to have lost, or never had the interests of bettering the peoples lives.

    What they should be doing in encouraging people to do the “right” things, not taking things away. Encoraging the best and brightest people to come here, encouraging us to drive more practical cars, encouraging us to buy more products. And by encourage I don’t mean outlaw and turn the citizens into criminals, and I don’t mean treat outsiders as equals.

    Instead they pull down our trousers and take a big crap on us and laugh while we idly sit there and take it… But it’s for our own good… right?

    I don’t see any good future if this crap continues. Not really looking forward to a police state and a ruined economy. I just hope there is a breaking point where people say enough is enough, but I don’t see it anytime soon, and I don’t look forward to it when it does happen either.

    • Anonymous

      “and I don’t mean treat outsiders as equals.”

      Oh, so as a South African, I am not equel to you, an English citizen? Fuck you.

  • Anon

    What has the world come to when a corporatist government harms the business of one to stock the business of another. What’s next… censoring google?…

  • Guess

    several things wrong with this is firstly if breaches and conflicts with the RIPA law, secondly it shifts the burden of proof from innocent until proven guilty to guilty till proven innocent and thirdly and most importantly its based on FLAWED system of ip number detection, ANYONE can spoof IP numbers, so someone spoofs your IP number and you happen to actualy have been online at the time, it’s you that gets the notice/warning etc off your isp for a fundalmentaly flawed detection method and ALLEGEGED unfounded accusation. wondering how long before peeps start generaly spoofing mpaa riaa fact, bpa etc’s own ip numbers, does that mean their ISPs are legaly obligated to issue them notices as per the digital econermy act? :P

  • anon

    I like how they do not even announce that it passed and then almost a year later they talk about it as if everyone has always known it was passed.

    The act is ridiculous, it is a complete rewrite of copyright law. It is written far too much in favor of the copyright holders. It is a draconian bill, they try to take over DNS which has always been a some what decentralized system and will continue to be. Based on this act you if you sell sub domains you fall under this act. Next they will be requiring internet radios and websites to have government licenses.

    Everyone should just tell OFCOM and the Secretary of State to go and stick it, the isps and the consumers can all work together to fight this corrupt legislation.

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