Norwegian ISPs Refuse MPAA’s Request to Disconnect Pirates
After being blown off by the Norwegian police, MPAA lawyer Espen Tøndel is now demanding that ISPs disconnect Norwegian file-sharers from the Internet. According to IKT Norway, an interest group for ISPs, the lawyer has sent a letter to Norwegian ISPs on behalf of The Norwegian branch of the MPAA.
In the letter, Tøndel asks the ISPs to notify customers who share copyrighted content, and threaten to disconnect them from the internet. Tøndel also attached a document that supposedly links the IP-addresses of seeders to copyrighted works.
It seems that Norway is not alone in this, Jim Williams, the MPAA’s senior vice president opted for a similar disconnection policy in the US yesterday. IKT Norway is not too happy about the letter though.
“In a constitutional state, the police and the prosecuting authority have the job of investigating and indicting, not lawyers and communication engineers”, says Hallstein Bjercke from IKT Norway, in a press release.
“Most of the big ISPs in Norway are members of IKT Norway and we will support the various ISPs as best we can against what we see as a preposterous demand from Simonsen”, Bjercke adds.
He asks the ISPs to contact IKT Norway instead of answering the law firm’s letter. “In our opinion, Tøndel asks the ISPs to assist them in their private investigation on filesharers. Tøndel’s law firm asks the ISPs to use personal information about their customers in a way that would be a breach on the Norwegian laws on personal information and personal privacy, in addition to breaching the contract between individual customers and their respective ISP.”
“What Simonsen is actually asking for is confessions from the alleged filesharers, which can be used against them if Simonsen decides to sue”, Bjercke said.
IKT Norway makes it clear that the Norwegian ISPs will not take the role of investigator and judge against their own customers. “To give that kind of responsibility to the ISPs is like asking the mailman to control the contents of every letter and package he delivers,” Bjercke says.
IKT Norway is now checking into the legality of the law firms private investigation and the legality of connecting personal information to the customers of Norwegian ISPs.
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Healthy news day today! :D
Awww, poor MPAA/RIAA/IFPI, the ISPs don’t want to play along. Bwahahaha.
Espen Tøndel, Dude You are Fucked up LoL
Soon all countries will refuse your shits.
You have to search for another way to make huge $ easily, making $ from pirates are impossible now.
Open a shop and be a shopkeeper LoL
Sell Tomato and potato & live happily, hahahah oh god i can’t stop laughing
RIP Espen Tøndel LoL
God Bless you Mr.Espen Tøndel
Espen Tøndel prøver seg igjen… Fjortisskid :\
ISPs know that they would lose so many customers (and also incomes of course ;) ) if they would listen to MPAA RIAA IFPI etc. so they just say FUCK OFF to them.
And that’s a good thing.
Well, the romantic days of private detectives like Philip Marlowe and Hercule Poirot are over. Not even the lovely female clients that used to turn up in shaded offices are around anymore.
[quote comment="321369"]Espen Tøndel prøver seg igjen… Fjortisskid :\[/quote]
Quoted for truth, min norske venn.
I am glad to be a customer at Telenor, Norwegians biggest ISP, because they are the last one who would disconnect pirates.
Love it when Espen Tøndel (almost wrote “Tøddel”, and all norwegians know what that means xD) tries to controle the world. =D
“What’s in it for us?”
This is what I imagine the ISPs ask themselves as they consider the requests. What exactly would an ISP stand to gain from supporting these actions? Why would they rather support the requests, than not?
Law aside, it doesn’t even strike me that the media companies have tacit support for their movement in many cases.
What I am about to tell everyone is a secret and the big corporations should not know of this…
The big companies like dreamworks and warner should get rid of the MPAA,IFPI and all their counterparts. If you think pirates are stealing think again, pirates increase your sales through popularity, what has the MPAA done for you, lost alot of court cases and won the pety ones using terrorist tactics. Cut them off and you can save a whole lot more money than you are actually losing.
Well, duh! It is Norway :D
In Norway the ISP’s care about their customers. And I’ve never heard of any throttling :D
OF course not. Its against the law to break a contract by giving you a lesser service then what you signed up and paid for.
At least here in Norway, Scandinavia, Europe… LOL
Btw: Hers an follow up article:http://www.digi.no/php/art.php?id=517045
Some cind soul translate it for the non Norwegians?
[quote comment="321513"]Btw: Hers an follow up article:http://www.digi.no/php/art.php?id=517045
Some cind soul translate it for the non Norwegians?[/quote]
Basically it is just an article about that “Forbrukerrådet” (watch out for bad marketing, consumer’s rights etc.) warn the ISPs about giving these lawyers (Simonsen) info about the customers that might be filesharers.
“The lawyer firm Simonsen have in co-operation with Norsk Videogramforening (not sure how to translate that, but something like Norwegian Video) sent letters to a lot of the Norwegian ISP’s. The letter say that one or more of their customers have used their connection to share Norwegian movies through BitTorrent.
Simonsen suggests that the ISP’s should notify the customers that they might get thrown of the Internet. The lawyer firm have attached documents that is said to prove that certain IP’s have shared files illegally.
Forbrukerrådet thinks that no ISP should sign the letter.
- The declaration puts the consumers in a highly unclear area of Norwegian law, where they (ISP’s) will end up with almost unlimited responsibility to the copyright holders.
IKT-Norge (Information Techonology Norway) is shocked over Simonsens’ declaration.
In a country where there are courts and police the police should do the investigation and the court the judging, not lawyers, according to Hallstein Bjerke (in IKT-Norge)”
If you are wondering, the letter say something like this:
“The signer hereby declares that all sharing of copyrighted files has stopped and will never happen again” (simple version).
Basic translation, sorry for my bad English but haven’t used it for real in over a year ^^.
And something that I think should be mention, an executive in one of the big ISP’s in Norway said something like this:
“You can’t hold a waterprovider (water to your house) responsible if the consumer are using it to make hjemmebrent (homemade alcohol)”. And I say, you can’t hold the postal office responsible if I send something illegal through mail to a friend.
[quote comment="321535"][quote comment="321513"]
“You can’t hold a waterprovider (water to your house) responsible if the consumer are using it to make hjemmebrent (homemade alcohol)”[/quote]
now that’s original !
I know, but it is the same thing. Laughed when I first saw it too.
Although most of the Norwegian ISP’s just toss these letters away, one do send them to their customers. Start.no. Even though they send the letters they say that they won’t consider removing their Internet. To them it is just natural to send the letters on, they are just letting their customers know that they are beiing watched.
Everything is legal with these people!
http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com
laugh if you will but these are the people that are gonna be spying on us 10 years from now -_-
I think the internet should be banned and re-started with anti-pirating measures.
first, i would like that torrentfreak starts to block this fakebalmeshit.com
ontopic: i think they see now that they are into real big trouble. maybe big4 chiefs are pressuring lawyers harder, maybe big4 thinking they not going the right way? maybe they will stop seeing us as pirates, and rather like dedicated consumers? is there really a hope for that?
[quote comment="321639"]I think the internet should be banned and re-started with anti-pirating measures.[/quote]
cant do that,us army is too busy right now,
hmmmmmmmm,come to think of it,all those **AA should sue u.s army for
inventing internet in the 1st place.
omg….,i’ve responded to a spammer,felt like my iq’s dropping,oh well,as my name implies..
Lol, this mpaa shit is so homo.
Long live democracy and the rule of law, for now :)
I’d just like to take this opportunity to say..
FUCK THE MPAA!
Awww, poor wittle Espen Tøndel!
It seems that Norwegian ISPs *don’t like* the idea of committing terrorism against their own subscribers at the behest of the MAFIAA.
To make matters even worse, that mean ‘ol IKT Norway is now investigating the legality of Tøndel’s bullying racket… Err, I mean “private investigation”!
Poor, poor wittle Espen. You know… I’m shedding tears for him. Tears of piss.
Hey!You spelled his first and last name wrong… its spelled like this:
“LOSER”
Without the quotes of course, and yes, i know its strange he has the same first and last name :)
http://www.ezee.se/
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