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ISPs To Begin Punishing BitTorrent Pirates This Summer

This July major US Internet service providers will start assisting copyright holders in their fight against online copyright infringement. Major ISPs including Comcast, Verizon and Time Warner Cable will begin fulfilling their obligations under the terms of a Memorandum of Understanding signed last year, which will see the providers send out copyright infringement warnings to their millions of customers.

After years of painful negotiations, last June it was revealed that the RIAA, MPAA and some of the United States’ largest Internet service providers had finally come to an agreement on action against unauthorized online sharing of copyright works.

The deal involves content owners, such as recording labels and movie studios, monitoring peer-to-peer networks including BitTorrent for copyright infringements and reporting instances to Internet service providers. The ISPs have agreed to take steps to “educate” allegedly infringing customers through an escalating system of notices, warnings, and other measures.

While it was big news at the time and a very hot issue, since mid-2011 very little has been reported on the progress of the deal. The initial announcement said that ISPs would start implementing the alert system by the end of last year, but this obviously didn’t happen.

However, according to the Center for Copyright Information (CCI), the organization responsible for administering the scheme, all parties are on target to initiate the programs by July 12th this year.

“The members of the coalition are making significant progress at developing a cooperative system to educate consumers and deter copyright theft,” a spokesperson told TorrentFreak.

“CCI is working to implement what is an unprecedented effort and is proceeding on pace with the MOU. We will have announcements in the near future that will include the naming of the [anti-piracy monitoring] partner and details on how CCI and the technology partner will work together.”

According to CNET this positive outlook was confirmed by RIAA CEO Cary Sherman.

During the Association of American Publishers’ annual meeting yesterday, Sherman reportedly announced that ‘most’ of the major ISPs involved in the so-called “graduated response” (such as Comcast, Cablevision, Verizon, and Time Warner Cable)

Sherman said that the process hadn’t been easy, with each ISP having to establish their own database to keep track of repeat infringers, the very people whose habits the studios hope to change. So come July, what changes should customers of the major ISPs expect?

Those not engaging in file-sharing on P2P networks or those who use BitTorrent over a VPN or proxy will probably notice very little (cyberlocker sharing is not covered), apart from ultimately having to help finance the scheme through their ISP bills.

For those who choose to download and share popular music from EMI, Sony, Universal and Warner, or do likewise with movies owned by Disney, Sony, Paramount, 20th Century Fox, Universal and Warner, things will change.

Under a White House and lawmaker supported “Memorandum of Understanding” (MOU) published last July, ISPs will send advisories to alleged copyright-infringing customers.

The first so-called ‘Initial Educational Steps’ will advise customers that copyright infringement is illegal and a breach of the ISP’s terms of service, that legal alternatives are available, and that continuing to infringe may have consequences including account suspension or termination.

The Acknowledgment Step, reached when an Internet subscriber is accused of additional infringements by rights holders, will see ISPs send Copyright Alerts requiring acknowledgment of receipt from account holders along with a pledge to end infringing activity from the account.

Should several attempts at ‘educating’ a subscriber fail, ISPs will be able to send a Mitigation Measure Copyright Alert which again requires customer acknowledgment. It will advise that a customer has received prior warnings and as per the ISPs terms of service, a ‘Mitigation Measure’ will now be applied to the account.

Mitigation measures can include throttling of upload or download speeds, a temporary reduction in service quality to one step above dial-up, redirection to a landing page so that the customer can be further ‘educated’, or even account suspension. No ISP has yet agreed to the latter and no ISP is allowed to disable VOIP, email, security, or TV services.

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  • blah, blah, and blah

    I want to know how will they catch consumers using Utorrent (the one I use) for downloading/uploading files without the content owner’s authorization?

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Utorrent is still bittorrent, just by another name. The fact is that these companies are going to have to realize that:

      1. An IP address does not point to a specific person and sending out these letters leaves them open to legal penalities.

      2. Most of the ‘piracy’ is because things are overpriced that the movie/music/game cartels are trying to sell today.

      3. Another good bit of the ‘piracy’ is people downloading things that they have ALREADY paid for in some manner to watch on their computers, thereby making the ‘piracy’ legal time-shifting.

      • Ceejay

        an ip address points to the EXACT computer it is assigned too, d0h, so YES your ip is just like the addres to your house.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          No, it doesn’t, dipwad. Especially if you have a router, wireless or not, in your home.

        • Jamesd

          Not to mention public access points, etc. Besides, since it’s a Civil offence, it can’t be the company sueing an I.P address, they need to sue a person, and who was using that computer at the time?

        • Sneakybeaver

          they have to contact your ISP to get your informations, which in this whole case, ISP will give freely all customers information to a third-party. Long live to the Republica del USA! *lawl*

        • nobody

          The IP address seen by the world outside of your home is not specific to a computer within your home. Think about how many people would be 192.168.1.2?

        • Danny

          Think how many people would be 127.0.0.1!

        • http://www.facebook.com/91Animul Brandan Dk Gildersleeve

          By the way thats a MAC Address buddy just saying

        • Anonymous

          Not to mention IP spoofing…..

          I have 7 computers in our house, between 2 apartments, one being rented to tenants that are entitled to their privacy. So which EXACT computer would they send the notice to in your world? One internet connection, one router, and as many access points as the router will dole out.

        • RunnerX

          example if you have a router your ip will be 192.168.0.5 , the ip of the router is the ip designated by the ISP so when you browse a site in the site logs will be the ip of the router the ip designated by the ISP , even so if you want to hide a connection you can encrypt that connection or much better use a VPN service , is not a end of the world :D

        • Get fucked

          @Christopher Kidwell

          dipwad? You’re talking shit to him because hes telling the truth?
          Did you know ISP’s FUCKING ASSIGN IP’s to customers?
          Did you know ISP’s can FUCKING LOOK UP who the [infringing] IP was assigned to?
          Did you know ISP’s keep FUCKING LOGS of their customers [some keep them for as long as a year]?

          Fuck no you did not. The next time you feel like acting like you know what the fuck it is you’re talking about. Google exists to keep idiots like you educated.

          P.S I can proudly say I didn’t learn this shit form the internet! Come at me bro.

        • mcf

          @Get fucked

          An ISP Assign IP’s to their customers Modem/Router. Not to a device on the customers network, fucktard. Meaning while its possible to see the activity of a specific IP address, it is not possible to say what device or person actually used it.

          Ceejay saying that it points to the EXACT computer it was assigned to makes him a dipwad, and you an ass for for ranting about it. And if you had read any of the other comments you might have noticed that. Ass.

        • Neb12

          correct.

        • Nope

          Stop talking, you have no idea what you are talking about.

        • Guest

          @ All of you.

          Arguing about whether or not they can track your MAC address is a completely moot point. The article is talking about ISPs sending letters about downloading. It doesn’t matter who did it and/or what computer it was done on. At the ISP level, they’re just going to send the letter to the account holder. I have one account, in my name, and 4 people in my house. If any of them download something it’ll be ME getting a letter, not them. Then another letter, then another letter, then a letter making me promise to play nice, then a big giant FU letter from me, back to them, as I switch providers.

          Keep calm and carry on (downloading)

        • Dmillerzx

          You obviously know nothing about networking…

        • skgserenity

          To “Nobody” – how did you know my IP address?!?! (Kidding, LOL!)

        • Andy P

          Wow Ceejay you aren’t very bright… It doesn’t 1) point to the person in front of the computer and 2) if a WIFI hotspot is unsecured, all you know is the network it is coming through. That could be down the street for all anyone really knows. AN IP ADDRESS IS NOT A PERSON

        • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

          I think some of you missed the sarcasm.

        • http://www.facebook.com/orphicdragon Trisha Lynn Dragon

          Seconding the fact that you are a complete dipwad. Exact address….dumbasses.

        • Anonymous

          The IP is of your modem, not a specific computer.

        • pirates do not forgive

          modem ip btw…

          Pirates-to-begin-punishing-the-media-industry-this-year

          Time for a little taste of their own medicine.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001772393375 Lia Piera

          Not exactly chief…it’s called a proxy server!
          Custom Google Themes @ http://www.chrome-theme.org

        • Guest

          Really? My IP says that I’m in Sweden right now…. oops would you look at that, now I’m in Germany, now I’m in England, now I’m in South Korea.

          You’re thinking of a MAC address (the PHYSICAL) address of your machine, but those can be spoofed as well.

          You can’t stop the internet. It’s as simple as that.

        • tonyj

          They need to have your internal IP in order to GPS you. That can be done with a Java script. They’ll have your address then.

        • Klaoao

          The EXACT computer address is 127.0.0.1.

        • Alex

          @tonyj
          They will have which address then??

        • Ceejay’sdumb

          your so dumb

        • http://www.facebook.com/bconover93 Ben Conover

          one word: Starbucks. :)

        • anon

          Your IP is not permanently assigned to a computer. I can easily pretend like I’m you with your IP. Atleast if it’s something as trivial as pretending like you’re doing illegal downloads. Interrupting/catching traffic is another thing but i could do it with a trojan on your PC.

          Unless you know enough to be certain about something don’t bother misleading others.

        • Anonymous

          None of you understand shit.
          Read the article dum dums!

          They’ll send warnings on the screen! ON THE SCREEN! Instantly.
          As you’re trying to DL ‘Big Booty Supa Freaks Slappin Yo Face With Pussy Flaps 3′ …you’ll get a big old bootylicious Red Warning Page in yo FACE! Then what dum dum? Eh? Smelly booty hole, that’s what. -pft- dDum dums.

        • Gordon Freeman

          Haha you’re awful, an IP address doesn’t necessary point to a specific computer.
          Problem is, that if I have a wireless router, my neighbours might download on MY IP. So by having a wireless router no one can prove who used the IP to download stuff.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003004662314 Nick Matta

          if an ip is assigned to a router or network, then i probably go through 100 or so ip addresses per day so good luck catching me!

        • Anonymous

          Why the fuck are people talking about MAC addresses? MAC addresses in the layer 2 header are replaced by the first router they hit. Nobody can get your MAC address by visiting them. Even if you connected to your ISP’s very first router, they’d only get your router’s MAC. Not the MAC of your PC.

          Drop the MAC nonsense, it means nothing to the internet beyond low level routing shit you have no chance of understanding.

      • Tsunku

        in the tcp/ip header is the ip, the MAC as well as various other data that can be sniffed, the MAC will be the MAC of your NIC as well as the MAC of your router.
        also many isps have been sticking us with the same ips so they can do this.

        since i can’t see the reply button for someone down below i’ll address it here, copyright infringement is both a civil and criminal offense under the dmca in the usa. mpaa/riaa prefer civil cuz they can pocket the money to spend on whores, booze, drugs and cars while stiffing the ppl they claim to be helping. but they have gone for criminal charges on some ppl.

        also if you actually read the article you’d notice it’s not the mpaa/riaa that will be checking it, but your isp! and yes they can check and do all of what that article says. remember it is the isp’s network you are traversing to get to the internet and as such they can control to an extent what you do on their network.

        • Noneone

          I was just reffering to the groups that are making the ISPs do this, Usually if they don’t want to or don’t have to police their users they won’t, due to it cost the ISP money..

        • lol

          ORLY? Please do explain to me how the ISP is able to eavesdrop on I2P, Tor or Freenet traffic.

          Brotip: it can’t.

        • A. Belxjander D. Serechai

          The “MAC” address is subject to change and only survives until changed by any “main in the middle” router designated as a forwarding host (all IP-NAT machines update this field and re-compute the checksums on various OS)

          additionally it is a known fact that certain manufacturers re-use MAC addresses assigned to hardware (this 48bit value has a 24:24 bit split between manufacturer and device values… so when the rollover happens…)

          only if you have 2 cards with identical MAC address in hardware (modern amd64 PCs have soft-set Ethernet MAC addresses as part of the BIOS with a default setting provided, all PowerPC based Macs and non-Windows machines are entirely soft-set and require setting the mac as part of firmware scripting )

          so don’t expect the MAC or IP (all of this is subject to change and Network Translation rules) to remain “fixed”…

          any ISP can only track IPs they assign at the border of their network…
          whatever you attach at that point is what they can track and if you are relocated or forwarding from somewhere else by a remote link of some kind they can take the machine on that point of contact and find absolutely nothing there.

          I have built a custom “network boot only” ramdisk image that force reset the machine when the ramdisk image was changed without the changes being applied to the image on remote storage (the firewall box was netbooting off a LAN with no local storage and also functioned as the point of network contact.
          any “penetration” of this machine resulted in a full hard-reset killing the intruders link into the LAN environment and was also despicably quick in restarting off the LAN storage (I kept the firewall itself deliberately small for this)

          so the ISP tracking and “education” program is based on the assumption that an IP is like a physical address for a given individual (based on who owns the account) when this assumption is blatant serious idiocy.

          it is *very* easy to make such information utterly meaningless

        • Gae

          Your isp will not be checking anything apart from which address to send the letters to, the accusations of infringement will come direct from the riaa appointed monitoring company (which if you read the article you will see has yet to be announced).
          However nobody is being traced via a mac address, it will be done through ip address only which pretty much means the account holder is deemed responsible for everything that happens on the network, be that a network of 2 computers or 200. Of course it becomes at best highly impractical and at worst completely impossible for an account holder to realistically monitor everything that happens over a connection but thi small fact is not going to get in their way.

          Also I may be wrong here, but I am pretty sure that the mpaa/riaa do not get to choose their preference of making it a civil or criminal offence. Criminal charges are reserved only for commercial scale infringement.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4WXUNBGPSPDOM5WIX3CVZ344PA WOLF

          Thank you Tsunku. It’s nice to see someone who knows about network packets that can clear up the BS on this blog. But since the IP address changes when the Router does NAT translation and again throughout the hops (I think), doesn’t the MAC address serve as the only link that allows content to make its way to the computer?

        • Jamest

          @WOLF

          Your MAC address is only seen by the interfaces connected to your modem/router, which will be your own network interface(s) (your computer for example), and the interface at the first hop of your ISP. The second hop at your ISP will see the MAC of the first hop, not your router, and the third hop that of the second, and so on.

          Your IP doesn’t change in the packets as it’s passed around the net, it just gets routed, same as an addressed envelope would. If your IP changes, all previous data links need to be reset and restarted with the new address details.

        • Ubernerdius

          If its behind a router, the mac address of my computer is not visible to my ISP, only the mac address of my router is (and whatever identifying information my modem gives them).

        • Bobvonholle

          The MAC address doesn’t pass beyond the second level, and no ISP is going to bridge their customers.

      • mpaa/riaa

        ip address doest not point to a specific person but nowadays ISP binds your modem serial#/mac to the ip address you are currently using. Even if you change IP address every hour they can still trace you. If you are the acct holder, you are basically responsible off all internet sessions coming out from your modem. So how do you keep your sessions private/secure? use a good proxy or a vpn service.

        • OMGWTFBBQ

          Acc holders should not be responsible for the actions of others on their network. The users of their network have been given permission to use it, not abuse it. Libraries paying fines for their visitors, schools because of the students, cafe’s ect. This just fucks up public access points. How can people still hold LAN parties?

          Anyways, i’ve had enough of them. I’m done talking. I hereby promise to write a torrent (pun) of viruses to target these media companies specifically. Consider yourselves disconnected and thrown back into the paper age.

        • killemall

          @OMGWTFBBQ

          “should not be held responsible” – what, on your say so? well they ARE going to be held responsible, so get used to it.

          and fucking LOL at your going to destroy them with your “torrent of viruses”, hahahaha as if.

          get real, fool

        • blakery

          From what I’ve seen, it would depend upon how the courts interpret “service provider” under the digital millennium copyright act. If the courts determine that the network provider (account holder, owner of the modem, etc) is indeed a service provider, than my understanding is that the copyright owner could then file a request asking the owner to stop the content or block the user responsible, and then only if the account holder didn’t comply would they be held responsible. If they aren’t protected under that provision, then it would be open season. At least that is what it looks like to me. Even if I was a copyright lawyer, which I’m not, it would be mostly conjecture at this point. If I’m not mistaken (which I very well might be), I think I remember that the copyright infringement cases that have gone through court have largely relied on single use access points or information from seized hard drives. Again though, not an expert in this, just my own observations and opinions.

        • Anony

          My apartment includes wireless internet and there are apx 100 apartments. How are they going to figure out who is “infringing”?

          It seems to me that this is another way of killing technology, i.e. the dark ages.

      • StupidOverload

        1. The IP address points to the account holder who are responsible for how the service is used.

        2. That defence will get you nowhere. The business sets the price of the product and that’s that. If you can’t afford it, then tough.

        3. The people distributing the content have no legal right to. The consumer also has no legal right to download.

        • Lawless

          Wahahahahahahaha!

          Legal?

          LOL! LOL! LOL!

          Who is talking about legal? At a time when corporations and the government they hijacked are breaking the law and trampling the constitution all the time?

          There is no law and legal no longer mean anything.

          I have the right that my guns give me and that’ it. I give myself the right to do whatever I believe is right and if one of these fucking corporate parasites or their lawyer bother me, Bang! Bang! Bang!

          Sorry guys, this not my choice, it is yours. Too late to go back though. I wonder what you are going to do the day you are sitting on a big pile of worthless paper money starving. This day is near.

        • StupidOverload

          @Lawless

          I’m on your side, fella. Answers 1, 2 & 3 there are how THEY see it, in response to Christopher Kidwell’s dellusion there.

          I know they consider themselves above the law. They do what they want now. If there is a law in the way they will ignore it or override it. If there are not suitable laws to control people then they will create them as necessary. They will not be restrained. There is noone to stop them. They know they can do this and nothing will happen for the most part.

          My eyes are open.

        • MadAsASnake

          Not in the UK.. The legal test is that you did it or that you authorised it (that means you explicitly told someone to do it). There is more chance that that is not the accountholder than anything else. Why should people be held responsible for things they haven’t done, don’t know about and cannot control? Thats REALLY dumb.

        • UseYourHead

          1. Wich means that is ridiculus. All the large organizations, including government institutions will get in infringment if applied. This is why Hadopi is a complete fail, they d’ have to sue 99% of their account holders. So far they have only gone for 3 or 4 people??
          2. That’s not a defence, that’s a cause of piracy. And in the real world beign actual prices and business models used by labels an absurd, people will simply look for other alternatives.
          3. I’m pretty sure is legal to have a backup of already paid media.
          4. You totally missed @Lawless point. But your reply gives the impression your brain was washed away by some copyright holder.

      • Everyone

        @get fucked

        Nerd.

      • EiSvox

        The missed point during all this oral defecation surrounding the ISP assigned IP addresses is that this fucking assclown justified pirating works because they are “overpriced”… Most BRAND SPANKIN’ NEW releases are available for LEGAL downloading for around $10… In the case of music, an average album costs anywhere between $15,000 – $30,000 for that artist to record, not including physical manufacturing and distribution costs. For motion pictures they range anywhere from hundreds of thousands to MILLIONS of dollars to produce! Yet in stores you buy CDs usually at $10-$15 and DVDs usually at $15-$20… This is devastatingly UNDER priced if you ask me but in dying that I’m sure you fucking chodes will start an online 99% vs 1% protest and cry some more about how you have no talent and it’s not right that people who actually DO have it can ( or at least used to be able to) make a comfortable living off of giving their gifts back to the world… Pirates in the online world are just as much as disease on society as REAL steal your fuckin boat, kill your crew and rape your wenches pirates… Fuck you, stop crying about something that has been illegal for the majority of the history of recorded entertainment and BUY something! FBI warnings of 5 years imprisonment and $250,000 fines are not new and are always going to evolve to keep up with scum like you…

        • Trespass

          Yawn, too tired to get into it with you. You really needed to have been here about 10 hrs ago. You would have had a great fight on your hands.

          Whatever you want to think, but sharing is not going away. Accept it.

        • Anonymous (The Internet AI)

          They ARE overpriced… WAY overpriced. Two hours of video can be produced for far less than millions of dollars. The fact that they WASTE that much money producing it… destroying shit, blowing shit up, etc… it’s not OUT fault they wasted so much money to produce something that could have been produced for a lot less by someone more skilled. It’s overpriced. End of story. I’m not dropping $30-$50 for every plastic disc-based 2-hour entertainment session I want to have. Fuck that.

        • Tim

          Yeah, yeah. A side you’re completely ignoring is for many older shows and tunes, pirating is their life support. They simply CANNOT be bought by the vast majority of people. Guess what that means? The people Pirating them are FANS. So if they COULD get it in DVD or VHS (and had a VHS player, for that mater) they would absolutely LOVE to. Yet ANOTHER side is that if I BUY a movie and it’s complete shit I’m fucking stuck with it. Game’s too. Music CDs as well. So basically 90 percent of everything pirated not for the above reason is pirated BECAUSE if you bought the thing without EVER seeing it before which for movies is missing the in theaters and not being able to borrow from a friend because technically THAT is piracy TOO. Yeah “Do not lend or make illegal copies of this disk” Borrowing is piracy. Which basically means the only LEGAL ways to decide if a movie is worth buying or not is to go to the theater, or buy it then see. For games, you got one option: Buy it then see. Music, sure yeah, you MIGHT catch it on the radio a few times, but the only surefire way is to BUY IT AND SEE. Don’t even say “NetFlix!” or “GameFly!” because in the end it costs pretty darn near the same. And yeah, no one is going to arrest you for going to your bro’s house and watching a movie… YET. Can’t you see? Piracy isn’t about “I don’t wanna pay whine whine whine” it’s more of a “Holy shit! I can’t afford that!” or “Wait, they are going to TRACK everything I do? NOT COOL” and before you say “well if you don’t do anything wrong they why does being tracked mater?” let me ask WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOUR HEAD?! You track either CRIMINALS or PREY. If you’re not a criminal yet, they are just sitting on the sidelines waiting for you to slip up in some way so that you become one. Doesn’t that sound like prey to you? It’s a dog-eat-dog world, and I don’t wanna get ate.

        • Records are cheap

          > Most BRAND SPANKIN’ NEW releases are available for LEGAL downloading
          > for around $10… In the case of music, an average album costs anywhere
          > between $15,000 – $30,000 for that artist to record, not including physical
          > manufacturing and distribution costs.

          If you were to take an artist on Youtube, pick 10 tracks that they produced themselves, that can’t be more than $500 of production cost (for the camera, etc.). With a good techie, they can make a CD for only like $10 more, and mass distribute it for (~$2+shipping)* CD’s + $600

          That’s significantly less than $15k.

          Movies are only so expensive because producers decide that they need to stick to the expensive actors and are reluctant to be creative.

        • Verdancyhime

          It depends on what media you’re talking about. Ebooks are CERTAINLY overpriced, due to blatant price fixing schemes. Creating an ebook costs the amount you pay to the author, the editor, and possibly a listing fee on websites like amazon. There are no printing or distribution costs like with paper books, but often an ebook can be the same price or more as a paperback because publishing companies negotiated a contract that allows them to set the price.

          As for other things being overpriced- I live in the USA, and we’re having serious problems with money here. Our wages have gone down over the past ten years when compared to cost of living necessities like food, basic clothing, and housing. Millions of people are unemployed. Millions more are forced to subtract a lot more money from their entertainment budget, and there are many products and services that still cost the same amount as they did when wages were much higher, or the prices have gone up due to shipping and distribution being more expensive.

          I don’t think this can be taken out of the equation as far as why people aren’t buying more. Do I think it makes piracy moral? No, but I think that if more companies offered ad-based services or lowered prices, or if the minimum wage in the US were raised, then you’d see a lot less piracy in a lot of these fields. Think of a movie ticket? Why has no one realized that the main reason young people rarely go to the movies anymore is that you have to work for at least 2 hours at minimum wage entry level jobs to afford a trip there?

        • BM2112

          You should probably refrain from using terms like “giving” or “gifts” considering where you are coming from. Perhaps I can start charging people for the gifts I give people @ chri stmas and birthdays.

        • Chas

          $15,000 for an album? WTF…i’ll do it for $120 per song.

          http://www.hmrmusic.com

      • reason

        an IP address relates to the account holder, just like car registration is linked again to a specific person registered to the car.

        If im caught speeding in my mom’s car by a speed camera, my mom gets the fine.

        Same applies to the ISP account holder regardless of who used the connection at the time.

        Pretty straight forward.

        If you pirate on McDonald’s wifi connection, McDonalds get the notice.

        • MadAsASnake

          McDonalds don’t get the notice. They filter out the corps (probably because they’d end up in a legal battle with an organisation with resources to deal with it). Registering as legal owner of a vehicle implies certain obligations and driving is a licenced activity. Being an account holder doesn’t oblige you to police your connection and you don’t need a licence to go online. In your mum’s case, if you stole the car, she has a complete defence, and you get arrested for theft.

      • http://vpnandusenetreviews.com/ Anon

        yes, but by the time they realize that…it will be too late.

        best thing that can be done by the individual right now is to protect yourself.

        your point #1 says it all. it all comes down to the ip address.

        vpn, vpn, vpn. proxy. bnc shell. etc etc.

        one song, $150k damages they (MAFIAA) say. one month vpn less than $20. one year vpn less than $100. unlimited bandwidth, strong encryption (L2TP, OpenVPN, etc.)

        vpn’s with NL servers will almost always allow p2p/bt without a problem.

        this is the nwo, you have to protect yourself these days…

        • MadAsASnake

          And thats a problem. It doesn’t matter how much you protect yourself. The way IP’s are hoovered up indiscriminately and mismatched through the ISPs means that you are likely to get these nastygrams whether you download or not. It’s pretty random. MAFIAA does not care at all if innocents are unjustly accused.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/2MONKGPRNC77NSPMNPOIHNIXNQ Asduy
      • Tren

        I don’t know for what I should pay for a connection of 100mb
        if they only want I should watch a pic of 50kbs once at month.

      • Izkata

        1 depends on the ISP. Comcast does assign static ones.

    • Anonymous

      I will most look forwards to all the BT piracy at Government locations like Congress, Whitehouse, FBI, DoJ and DHS being exposed.

      • Guest

        It has already occurred.

      • MadAsASnake

        In these sort of situations, you can expect the accusers to filter out any “inconvenient” IP’s.

      • TurboNigger

        Like that hasn’t already happened throughout the last decade?

        Obviously they’ll be excluded from any serious consequence like being cut off/restricted purely due to who they are (aside from the fact they don’t use the major isps mentioned here in the first place)

    • Duh

      They join the swarm and copy down IPs

    • Tsunku

      easy, packetsniffing. even if you encrypt, the filename is still cleartext. and the connection type is still in the tcp header.

      • Fuckuou

        Haha you play splintercell on ps2???? ^.^

      • (forthelulz)

        Please explain some more…

      • Anonymous (The Internet AI)

        @Tsunku: Wtf are you talking about? The filename is not cleartext, unless your protocol is failing to encrypt part of the stream. Open a socket, send some data. What the data looks like and which parts of it are encrypted is entirely up to the application sending the data; entirely up to whatever “protocol” they are using to communicate, so…. your point is invalid. Simply choose an app/protocol that encrypts the entire stream and it’s invisible. Simple.

      • MadAsASnake

        Packetsniffing is illegal in most juristictions and the filename is irrelevant.

    • AMERICAN_PSYCO187
    • Veritas

      my dear man,
      when i am connected to a torrent i can run a simple script that instantly shows me ip-adresses of people connected. They might be a few decades behind on technology but they’re not that stupid. if you DO use torrents for serious crime like that (=lulz) make sure to mask yourself, chances are slim, they’re just playing lottery, they pick a bunch and see who responds to the threat, i don’t know exactly where they get all the legal backing from but i suppose they have been slipping some of the money extorted into the pockets of lawmakers
      take care in what you do

      • MadAsASnake

        … and how does your script separate out the spoofs?

    • Kró

      US of A:
      A country of freedom and truth.

      You know it never was.

    • Timmy

      Part 1. When your computer (or router) logs in to your ISP to connect to the internet, the ISP assigns you (or your router) an IP address from within a block of IP addresses they have. After you sign out, they (sooner or later) assign that IP address to someone else. The ISP keeps a record of which customer was using which IP address, and when.

      Part 2. When you use bittorrent, all of the peers you connect to can see your IP address, and you can see theirs.

      Big Media exploits these two facts in the following way:
      1. They, or their agents, search for torrents that are sharing content (movies, music, games, etc.) that they own or have rights to.
      2. They join each torrent and become a peer, which enables them to see, and make a list of, all the IP addresses that are in that torrent.
      3. They pass that list over to a service which identifies for them which ISP owns which IP address.
      4. They send a notice to each of those ISPs saying “one of your customers, using IP address XXX at time YYY, was violating copyright law by sharing file ZZZ”.

      This is the process, in a nutshell.

      • Johnec3

        > After you sign out, they (sooner or later) assign
        > that IP address to someone else.

        Who signs out anymore? My DSL modem and router are powered up and run 24/7. I’ve had the same IP for years.

    • Anonymous

      There are ways to protect your internet privacy. You can prevent ISP’s from spying on your traffic by using an encrypted tunnel such as hushtunnel.com.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CH76QIKXYIFA2FZ2DXC6NUZ24A Andrei

      BitTorrent is a P2P protocol. Although there is a BitTorrent client also called BitTorrent (the original client), nowadays when someone says BitTorrent they mean the protocol used by all the BitTorrent clients, including uTorrent.
      How they catch people? That’s easy, all that one has to do is participate in a torrent in order to see all the participants (see that list of peers in your uTorrent tab?)

    • emufossum13

      Look! everyone stop posting false information about this! As you are downloading through P2P, anti-P2P hunters watch all the information from downloaders. These hunters get data information, IP adresses, and the like. After they have picked several random information lists (people downloading) they contact those persons ISP’s, and let them know that the alleged person is downloading copyright material. Then the ISP contact’s that customer. What this bill is, is basically a new resolve to dragging people to court. Basically what this is going to do, is threaten you with “scary” letters. THE ONLY WAY AND I REPEAT THE ONLY WAY TO KEEP YOURSELF SAFE WHILE USING ANY TORRENT APPLICATION IS BY HIDING YOURSELF. Either use a seedbox, or a vpn, but don’t use peerblock, it is been proven not to work.

    • Anonymous

      ṁy rooṀate’ś śtep-śiśteŔ ṁakeś $70/ĥouŔ on tĥe inteŔnet. Śĥe ĥaś been Witĥout a job for 9 ṁontĥś but laśt ṁontĥ ĥer cĥeck Waś $7704 juśt WoŔking on tĥe inteŔnet for a feW ĥourś. ĥeŔe’ś tĥe śite to Ŕeaď ṁoŔe … Goo.gl/189kz

    • Ipass

       Kinda Funny how the gdam us goverment created the intranet and now they cry about copyright infringments…lmao

  • Anonymous

    And here we’ll see round two or three of mass mailings adressed to the wrong people, laser printers, routers, people without internet connections and dead people as has been the previous results of these fishing expeditions.

    Honestly, won’t they ever learn? If the customers of an ISP notice traffic throttling or surveillance those customers employ a VPN and circumvent the entire mess without any problem.

    Meanwhile, all the average consumer will note is that s/he occasionally gets punished with mitigation measures for no discernible reason, generating, should the trend so far hold true, even more massive antipathy against the implementors of said system.

    The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin… as it were.

    • YoudontneedtoknowwhoIam

      The quote is actually, the more you tighten your grip tark, the more star systems will slip through your fingers. and oh how right she was..as was whoever wrote Elizabeth’s speech in Pirates 3..these idiots are starting a war they can’t win…

      • PHEONIX747180

        I Agree we should revolt
        i think it was Gates or Zuckerberg that said a hackers mind is about 10~20 engineers minds in one so we will always be 3,5,8 steps ahead because weve already ran the scenario and come up with a way to circumvent these assholes are so concerned about their god damn money its ridiculous

      • 123fakest

        RAmen!!!

      • pirates do not forget

        We need a strategic punishment in return.

        Revolt is good ….. Beat them at their own game is better

    • stopping by

      You’re a bright guy, and I’m sure you’re aware that these initiatives are aimed at ordinary people.

      Ordinary people don’t want proxies. Ordinary people don’t want to behave like criminals. That just makes them feel like criminals.

      Ordinary people have jobs and families, and they don’t want to risk it all for a few downloads.

      That’s why graduated response works in France – and that’s why it’s going to work in the US.

      • Trespass

        @ stopping by
        Aren’t you the self-rightous pr%ck. Missed the point completely. Sharing has been around as long as recorded media. I recorded songs off the radio in the 60′s, albums off the radio in the 70′s, recorded movies on my betamax in the 80′s, and recorded via TIVO and DVR in the 2000′s. The internet is just the latest incarnation.

        The internet is just a new broadcast channel. Why isn’t HBO sued for they facilitating infringement? I record stuff from there all the time. My point originally is that the entertainment industry has lost all previous attempts at control and will fail miserably with this attempt as well. ISP’s couldn’t care less how you use their connection and have no interest in policing such. Every technological advance has sparked litigious behavior from the industry.

        I’m sure you are guilty as well of “stealing”. Rip music to your iPod? Technically a no-no. (There is no fair use anymore, as reported by the entertainment industry.) Ever use a Xerox machine? Seriously, lose the “holier than thou”, shit….

        I also want to know who are you referring to as “Ordinary People”? I do alas qualify, as being a professional, and use torrents as a convenience. I can get a movie a couple of months before it is on HBO, and music a matter of weeks before it winds up in a second hand store. Would not have been supporting anyone anyway.

        Any victory you see in France is an illusion. Probably because “ordinary people” are becoming more savvy as to how to avoid detection.

        Bottom line? Sharing cannot be stopped, as history has proven time and again. The longer the industry harasses the “ordinary people”, the more innovation of creating ways to avoid harassment that will ensue…

        • Jebus-is-dead

          and in the mean time, the poor will always pay the price, the righteous will believe they have the right to exploit, the rich will get richer and no one gets that this world is as it always was.

          @stopping by

          Ordinary ppl dont have jobs, they are slaved!!! Only “brainwashed” ppl dont see the hard truth the world is, no one wants to and no one will admit anything.

          no one believes he/she is a cynic or a hypocrite, yet no one hesitates to stab the next man on the back.

          omg what a crazy world!!

        • Tim

          I do not know what precisely stopping by was getting at, but what I got out of his/her comment is that, the simple fact of the mater is, this will probably work for large sums of people. People fall into different levels of morality, from levels 1-6. typically this is tested by this question: “You’re wife/husband is dieing from a disease. A doctor has the cure, but you cannot afford it and he, for whatever reason, cannot lower his price. Do you or do you not steal the cure? Why or Why not?” a 1 would say, if generalized and condensed, “I wouldn’t because stealing is wrong.” 6 would be “YES! It’s my f-cking SPOUSE!” when generalized and condensed like this, it seems like just a yes or no, but it’s more like yes/no coupled with 1 of 3 basic reasons (hence 6 levels) when this test was given to my class, the basic break down was like this: 2s and 3s were common, favoring 2s; 1s and 4s were uncommon, favoring 4s; 5s were rare; there were no true sixes. I and a few other 5s were close to having 6s, but what ultimately made us 5s was our ultimately deciding to “Leaving some monies on the counter for the doc” in my case or something similar in others’. This pretty much made me think of 6s as crusaders in a way, which made me feel inclined to think that perhaps I and the others were in fact 7s or something… anyway back on topic. Basically, this shows that the vast majority of people “Ordinary people” if you will, are concerned about how to avoid punishment. So basically, for most people, telling them not to do something or else is enough to make them not do it. I find it a little sad, but we can’t have everyone stealing medicine because then no one would be funding research. so. Yes. In a way, I’m glad that ISPs are taking action, not because I want Piracy to end and blah blah blah (because I absolutely do NOT) but because this must. MUST remain a game of cat and mouse. There must ALWAYS be Pirates, and there must ALWAYS be ways to counteract them, because that is the optimal setting for the spread and development of everything. Problems arise when pirates rein unchecked, and likewise for countermeasures. Unfortunately, this coupled with SOPA or PIPA would totally f-ck the world up the arse with some large, orange, spiked thing.

      • Trespass

        PS Thanks for stopping by. Don’t let the door hit you on your way out….

        • MadAsASnake

          [correction] make sure the door hits you on the way out

        • http://www.facebook.com/orphicdragon Trisha Lynn Dragon

          But… I don’t want his crusty ass print on my nice new door. :(

      • lol

        “That’s why graduated response works in France – and that’s why it’s going to work in the US.”

        What I think you mean is: “That’s why graduated response in France made the I2P network size duplicate overnight”.

      • OMGWTFBBQ

        Get real dure, the amounts of data moved hasn’t changed. They just cant label it piracy because they can no longer see what is going on. Further, I noticed people starting to swap HD’s again. 1VPN now supplies god knows how many. And instead of the 1 movie they tried for themselves a week, they now just copy the complete 2TB of data because it costs no bandwidth.

        Fight torrents = increase the amounts of data “ordinary” people copy. Also you piss people off that you should not.

      • MadAsASnake

        I think @stopping by’s point is that “ordinary” people are unlikely to know how feeble IP evidence is and are more prone to pay whether they did it or not. Stopping by does not appear to care at all that innocents are accused and fined in these schemes. The graduated response does not work if the accusations are false – and does not work at all in France.

      • Guest

        “That’s why graduated response works in France”

        No it does not, as expected. There is so many counter measures How can it work? We are the million of customers coming back to them?

        Do you still believe the corporate propaganda?

        Oh! sorry I forgot! You are a paid troll send their by the corporate parasites to spread false opinions! My bad!

    • ThisIsaPhrase

      Much of that will depend on how they go about verifying the activity. If they’re lazy and just pull IP off the trackers then yeah they’ll be vulnerable to that, but not if they where to prove data transfer to/from the address in question. Then it’s a done deal.

  • Rabigert96

    Wow.. I at least hope that these ISPs sallow when the RIAA cums. And will cyberlockers be affected by this, it wasn’t exactly clear in the article.

  • Anonymous

    Welcome to the era of encrypted Internet. I am sure VPN sales in Europe will soon improve but plenty of other options.

    • Anonymous

      They’ll make it illegal soon enough. As it is, some VPN providers hand over your info when asked, even without a court order.

      http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-providers-really-take-anonymity-seriously-111007/

      • lol

        Good luck getting a VPN provider in Russia or Romania to cooperate with you. Also, if they make VPN illegal, they’d kill the financial sector, among others.

        Sorry, but no. It doesn’t work like that.

      • Imnotonline

        “They’ll make it illegal soon enough.”

        No, No they will not. I wish people would stop spreading this.

        You know when you do online banking you see https:// ? Or even now on torrentfreak they are using https:// ?

        That is technically a VPN, VPNs will never be banned.

  • Guess

    just wait for the mass law suits sueing for defamation, slander, liable etc after someone spoofs someone elses ip that person gets repeat notices…

    • Anonymous

      Yes we should never forget the previous court ruling that an IP address is not a person meaning that if your number comes up they cannot assign fault to any one person.

      Then without other evidence being presented to link the person to the infringement then their IP logging can be highly faulted to make it worthless.

      I should point out that libel and slander would not easily apply here when this matter is not made public. Still the copyright enforcement service here could indeed do libel to your ISP.

      Most interesting here is that unlike say the UK’s DEA there is no US law that makes the subscriber’s liable for what happens on their connection. That little fact will be well exploited as they learn the harsh lesson to never attack the general public.

      • Captain Buzzoverinthehead DFC

        “…there is no US law that makes the subscriber’s liable for what happens on their connection.”

        Once this starts up and the MAFIAA realize there’s no law covering the loopholes, how long do you think it will take them to buy a new law making the subscriber liable for all traffic on their connection?

        • PHEONIX747180

          even then with the new law were going to brute force or break it and keep showing these fuck heads that no matter how much they try they will not succeed bc the joke is on them. – TH3 L4U6H1N6 M4N

        • MadAsASnake

          IP person is not a loophole. It is actually a completely valid defence. The fact that the infringer cannot be identified is just that a fact. Accusing a party that may or may not be the infringer does not solve the problem – it simply adds injustice.

      • PHEONIX747180

        heres what would be funny if someone could some how copy that same notice you got and spam the company that sending the person those i think they might stop then because all they are doing is diggin themselves a deeper hole and corruption is gunna start happening.

  • Bepp0

    I guess it’s time for those major ISP’s to say goodbye to hundreds of thousands of customers who’s going to leave for better companies.

    • Guest

      Unfortunately, in much of the country, people only have one choice for their ISP, so I doubt many of them will lose customers, and they know it.

    • Squeal, Little Sheepies

      LOL, you won’t have anywhere to run to.

      • lol

        Why run anywhere, when you can just sit tight, fire up any anonymous P2P program and keep seeding?

        Troll harder.

      • Gear Mentation

        Yes we do, we have VPN services with encryption. Those are slow (if you use encryption and you don’t have to), but they work and no doubt the services will be upgraded as more and more people migrate to a “dark” internet. If they push too hard, the internet overall is going to be encrypted and anonymous.

        • HeyHo

          It might cool down a little when it’s out of sight … out of mind, but with all that’s happened i don’t think that is enough. And yes, if you use encrypted vpn expect your bandwidth usage to go up if you’re on a pack with monthly limits but … safety first if you’re gonna yarr

      • Squeal, Little Sheepies

        Sigh, you fucking retards kill me…

        READ WHAT THE OP SAID. I quote “leave for better companies.”

        Can you fucking understand that that is a pretty stupid plan of action given that soon, if not already, YOU WILL NOT HAVE ANYWHERE LEFT TO RUN TO with regards to an ALTERNATIVE SERVICE PROVIDER. The comment had fuck-all to do with ducking through a VPN/proxy, tards – of course you can still use those.

        LEARN TO FOLLOW THE FLOW OF THE CONVERSATION.

        But really, you take offense to the name, “Squeal, Little Sheepies”, don’t you? That bothers you because you know what it means. You can see that it is quite true when you consider the fact that you don’t really have many, or any, other options available to you if/when the service providers do this.

        • Trespass

          “You can see that it is quite true when you consider the fact that you don’t really have many, or any, other options available to you if/when the service providers do this.”

          And couldn’t care less. They will not see anything I am doing anyway. I’m more concerned with bandwidth caps. TW doesn’t have them, yet…

          If you are not a troll, you may as well be, considering the way you treat those supposedly on the same side. Don’t want you on mine…

        • themerryreaper

          WAY TO BREAK THE FLOW OF THE CONVERSATION DUDE. LEARN SOME NET ETIQUETTE YOU MONG. OH AND WHILE YOU’RE AT IT STOP TALKING TO YOURSELF.

          GET OVER YOURSELF AND NOTICE THAT THEY MEAN THAT THERE IS NO NEED TO RUN ANYWHERE AT ALL MAKING YOUR POINT, AND I USE THAT TERM QUITE LOOSELY HERE, AND HIS ALMOST ENTIRELY MOOT.

          The free market has this nasty habit of offering scratches when people itch if there is a buck to be made. Well nowadays they mostly brainwash you to believe you’re itching, but that’s another topic completely.

          :rolleyes:

        • lol

          @Retarded Troll

          *yawn*
          *Connecting to my VPN provider in Romania*

          problem?

        • Squeal, Little Sheepies

          @Trespass

          It’s about waking people up to reality, or do you think it better that people mislead themselves? Too many choose to believe what makes them feel good, rather than what the facts tell them.

          You know, if you are entering into war, you had better have your intelligence in order, or risk losing everything through ignorance.

        • Trespass

          @Squeal, Little Sheepies

          Then educate them, but don’t belittle those who may not have knowledge. You definitely lack tact. You will not endear anyone to take you seriously with your current approach.

        • Squeal, Little Sheepies

          @themerryreaper

          Bepp0′s post was clear to understand: ISPs do X and people will move to other companies (a threat). No, they won’t, if they have no choice. Get it!? It’s very, very simple, in fact I’m confident it’s so simple that even an idiot like you should be able to comprehend it if you really put your mind to it…

          I cannot reply to anyone else but me; note the fucking thread depth limitation (lack of reply button).

          Etiquette? You dumbarses need hitting with a sledgehammer just to get your attention/to get you to see anything.

          Nice try trying to totally re-interpret what Bepp0 said there… NOT! (“THEY MEAN THAT THERE IS NO NEED TO RUN ANYWHERE”) – haha, how the hell do you come up with that from the OP’s post!?

          :stunnedbytheidiocy:

        • Trespass

          @Squeal, Little Sheepies

          I’m stunned by your stupidity. We are all better off without your “wisdom”… Hit yourself with that sledgehammer… hard… please…

        • Squeal, Little Sheepies

          @Trespass

          Then educate me, but don’t belittle me if I may not have the knowledge. You definitely lack tact. You will not endear me to take you seriously with your current approach.

          Oops, it’s looking like your earlier attempt at taking the moral high-ground failed a little there, LOL.

          Cry moar. :D

        • ??????????????

          @Squeal, Little Sheepies

          “”if you are entering into war, you had better have your intelligence in order, or risk losing everything through ignorance”"

          LULZ

          Run along fag piggy b4 ur ip gets passed around publicly.

        • Squeal, Little Sheepies

          @??????????????

          No, I won’t be doing that, so you go right ahead and do what you have to do.

          You poor fools can’t handle the truth… Oh well, you will learn the hard way when reality comes knocking.

        • Trespass

          You need meds. At least smoke a joint… Chill. The war can wait…

        • Squeal, Little Sheepies

          Well that would explain your “couldn’t care less” attitude.

          The war’s at your front door already, in case you didn’t notice…

        • Trespass

          Nah, havent smoked for many years, but can recognize someone who could benefit from it. You are wound way too tight. Does Schizophrenia run in the family?

          Anyway, not sure what planet you are from, but it has been entertaining listening to you rant.

        • Squeal, Little Sheepies

          It’s interesting to see you have nothing worthwhile to say at this point than to try to make it personal. Big man, ain’t you? Whatever happened to the education, not belittlement talk? Lulz…

          Later, loser.

        • pity da fool

          @Squeal, Little Sheepies

          r u stupid or moron ?

          I can’t decide.

          We have everywhere to run to. YOU FAiL.

    • omgwereallgonnadie

      Even if they do lose customers, it’s customers they want to get rid of anyways. It’s like the fat guy at the all-you-can-eat buffet, now they have a legal excuse to not serve them.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3DTWOEOZQHLZ3UH3DDNHH7W6ZI Brad

      It kinda sucks where I’m at. We have 1 choice….and that provider didn’t really care as long as you were constantly downloading/uploading 24/7….well, they were bought by Time Warner and so those days are over. It really sucks….because I had a good 7 or 8 years of not having to worry about what/when/how I downloaded something.

      In my part of the country, this is the only option….well….errr…..unless I want to sign up for U-verse….and that’s definitely not going to happen anytime soon. :-/

  • http://twitter.com/cookie_42 Cookie

    “…That legal alternatives are available…”

    Like fuck they are! You can buy drm-riddled music at release date, but apart from that there’s no legal options for tv/movies without waiting 6-24 months. And that’s IF you happen to live in America. If you don’t, you’re fucked.

    Let us buy your content at release and piracy will decrease exponentially.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Also, remember that a lot of us have paid for the content that we ‘pirate’ in some manner as well. I.E. I have cable TV with music channels in CD quality. Why should I feel guilty about downloading music online when I have ALREADY paid for the fucking things!

      These people are trying to play to the stupidest and those who are ‘law-abiding’ to a fault out there.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

        One of the biggest cons of the media industry is reselling the same product to you multiple times.

        If I were to buy a computer application and either the media the software was distributed on became obsolete or the install media had become corrupted. I could contact the developers in many cases to obtain the application on a media format of my choice for a nominal charge and possible return ofthe original media. The point being that I had purchased a license to use the software. The media merely a transportation and storage medium.

        Likewise when you buy music or a film. Look at the small print, you are buying the right to view/listen to it. yet they expect existing owners of licenses to pay full whack when you upgrade your storage media. Dont forget that it sounding better has to do with the quality of the storage media and your equipment not the quality of the license.

        • Trespass

          Great Point. How many times should one have to buy the “Star Wars” Trilogy, The White Album, or Dark Side of the Moon? Most content out there is recycled and repackaged.

        • K5ny

          Cry all you want, but that’s their decision to make. And the law says you must abide.

        • lol

          @K5ny

          Impossible to enforce laws aren’t worth the paper they’re written.

        • K5ny

          @lol

          So what is Don Dilly crying about then if they have no ability to enforce their desires? Surely then it’s a non-issue, no?

          The media companies decide how they want things to run – Don Dilly cries. Seems they’re having an effect afterall…

        • lol

          @K5ny

          OK. I’ll give you that: they got Don Dilly to cry with this law.

          Still won’t make piracy go away, regardless of what the law says.

          Don’t you understand that a law only works if it can be effectively enforced?

          Of course you don’t, you’re just a dumb troll ;)

      • Lilith

        Hm, well, nice point there, used to have vhs recorders, now it’s all encrypted digital boxes, so if a movie has been on tv, or a video (and the song) has been on MTV or something is it still possible that it’s illegal to posess it ?
        They’re going after uploaders first and providers who make it possible (they still don’t see they would kinda need to take down the whole internet before it comes back to private sharing clubs and snailmail delivery again) TPB, MU, RS, now TPB again, the downloaders who pay up are usually the victims of a mass extortion scam, if you give in to just paying you agreed and then there’s nothing you can do about it. They feed on fear really

    • stopping by

      DRM? There’s no DRM on iTunes music…

      • Noneone

        You mean buy over priced, riddled with DRM, and not available in many regions of the world, from A shitty middle man group called MMPAA/RIAA that has in the last few years shown by their actions that they care more for profit than their customers rights. No thank you.

      • Anonymous

        Digital Rights Restriction:
        Movies, yes. TV, yes. Music Videos, yes. Audiobooks, yes. Apps, yes. Music, no.

        Digital Rights Identification:
        Music, yes.

    • Spiderfly

      That’s what I’m saying. I’m so ready for Mad Men S5…..and I’d be willing to buy the season pass from ITunes….for one, it would give me 1080p quality and it would be legal.

      The problem, shows released like that take a day or 2 to become available online after they air.

      With torrents, they’re usually available online 10 to 20 minutes after air in at least 720p.

      It makes no sense to me how executives at some of these companies think….no sense at all. A company that isn’t evolving with the times…..is a very sad company in my opinion.

      We saw it happen with music 10-15 years ago.

  • John

    In the land of the free there’s a guy monitoring everything you do for the labels and now he’s condoned by the government.

  • Jamesd

    Taking down IP’s in a BitTorrent swarm is not proof of Copyright Violation.
    This is what I don’t understand. You would have to have proof of an actual copy of the file taking place. How can they prove this?

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      They cannot, to be blunt. They cannot even prove that it is the person at the address paying for the internet service. who is doing the ‘infringing’ downloading.

    • Guest

      They would essentially have to monitor the whole transfer from start to finish, to make sure the specific client has actually made a copy.

      • Freelance

        My encrypted VPN IP changes every half-hour (multiple anonymous accounts).
        I disconnect from a swarm (for about 5 seconds),
        then re-enter swarm with new IP.
        Completely automated and fairly efficient.

        To “prove” a complete download “they” would need …
        1) Infringing HASH ID
        2) Swarm logs and timestamps
        3) VPN logs and timestamps
        4) ISP logs and timestamps
        5) Assemble this data into coherent argument

        Then prove my wireless router wasn’t hacked.

        That’s a lot of effort to “prove” an actual download occurred (by me).

        I also routinely “tweak” my router MAC address and re-boot cable modem to force new ISP IP. Still always traceable but adds complexity to interpreting ISP logs and timestamps.

        BTW, I never “watch” downloaded movies. I’m a scientist studying the “behavior” of bittorrent protocols for a research paper I’m currently developing (freelance).

        • Donuts

          What’s the point in cycling IP addresses frequently if/when allocation is trivially and accurately logged by the VPN/ISP anyway. There won’t be any confusion in determining who had what IP at what time like you think there will.

        • lol

          @Donuts

          Pssst. I’m behind seven VPNs.

        • Donuts

          @lol

          …which would still make no difference at all if all of those providers logged, short of resolution taking a little while longer. ;)

        • lol

          @Donuts

          Big assumption there. Off the top of my head, I can think of a few ways of foiling any such type of attack.

          The easiest one is just to use some russian or ukranian VPN (good luck getting them to cooperate with you). Another one is setting up some VPS with OpenVPN and making sure it periodically deletes all logs.

          What now?

        • Dazed-n-Confused

          It’s called “obfuscation”

          Make it confusing.

          “They” are LAZY and go after the “low lying fruit”.

          This is the ultimate truth.

        • FU-DONUTS

          @Donuts

          You are such a troll loser piece of shit bullshit artist!
          Are you fucking for real?

          “What’s the point in cycling IP addresses frequently if/when allocation is trivially and accurately logged by the VPN/ISP anyway. There won’t be any confusion in determining who had what IP at what time like you think there will.”

          GOOD LUCK collecting all that data! Ain’t gonna happen.
          NEVER HAS! NEVER WILL!

          FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU.
          FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU.
          FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU.
          FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU.

          Go Troll Somewhere else.
          Douche Bag!

        • Donuts

          Cry all you want, but if your (ISP/VPN/Proxy) provider maintains logs and releases them, then you’re screwed. Cycling addresses on a service that does that is totally pointless. But you feel free to believe what you want.

          “My encrypted VPN IP changes every half-hour (multiple anonymous accounts).
          I disconnect from a swarm (for about 5 seconds),
          then re-enter swarm with new IP.
          Completely automated and fairly efficient.”

        • Bakshi

          leave wiffi open so neibours can get kiddy porn

        • Am_i

          to the guy below : your isp gets to see what vpn you connect to they hardly get to see what ip adress you’re using on the other side as far as i know, so it comes down to a provider with zero data retention policy, please correct me if i’m wrong

        • PLLC

          @Donuts

          You truly are a MORON!

          “… if your (ISP/VPN/Proxy) provider maintains logs and releases them, then you’re screwed. Cycling addresses on a service that does that is totally pointless. But you feel free to believe what you want.”

          So let me see. That’s THREE subpoenas (ISP, VPN, PROXY) . All done VERY QUICKLY! If ONE link in this chain is unavailable then YOU (TOM DUMFUCK) are FUCKED!

          Much less … DO YOU (DUMFUCK) have the skill or basic intelligence to put this puzzle together?

          OH … BTW … LOGS DO EXPIRE (IF KEPT AT ALL)
          Any good VPN has no logs at all (You stupid fucking asshole)

          But I am sure you want EVERYONE on COMCAST to just SWARM as usual.
          USE MOM-n-POPS IP RIGHT? Land a Tuna there baby!
          Makes YOUR job much easier.

          Go FUCK GRUBB you DUMFUCK WEASEL
          PLLC (Please Lack Logistical Countermeasures)

          PLLC

        • Donuts

          Holy shit you people are retarded…

          @PLLC

          “So let me see. That’s THREE subpoenas (ISP, VPN, PROXY)”

          Duuuuuuuuuh, the slash separating those items means ANY OF, not all at once, you dumb shit.

          “Any good VPN has no logs at all”

          Obviously you completely missed the part that said, quote: “if your (ISP/VPN/Proxy) provider maintains logs”. Do you even understand what the word “IF” means? Go look it up, you thick twat.

        • GoGoGoAway

          @Donuts

          You ignorant SLUT!

          QUOTE …

          Duuuuuuuuuh, the slash separating those items means ANY OF, not all at once, you dumb shit.

          “Any good VPN has no logs at all”

          Obviously you completely missed the part that said, quote: “if your (ISP/VPN/Proxy) provider maintains logs”. Do you even understand what the word “IF” means? Go look it up, you thick twat.

          END QUOTE …

          ASSHOLE! These are separate ENTITIES!
          There is NO SUCH THING as an ISP/VPN/Proxy!
          MORON MORON MORON

          MY ISP (a local unique company) … That is a subpoena

          MY VPN (a distant unique company) … That is a subpoena

          MY PROXY (a company far far way) … That is a subpoena

          Data packets travel through EACH Entity.
          EACH Entity is a UNIQUE AND SEPARATE CORPORATE (or private) ORGANIZATION.
          It’s all about the data packet chain you idiot prick cocksucker.

          Are you totally fucking stupid?
          Why are you here?
          GO AWAY TROLL!

          TROLL SPRAY
          TROLL SPRAY
          TROLL SPRAY

          DIE DIE DIE

        • DonutHell

          @Donuts

          And it’s called encryption you stupid fucking moronic excuse of organic feces waste bag organic matter POS CUNT.

          Go Fuck your mother while learning to get past your first
          “BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH”

          DIE DIE DIE

          DONUT HELL!

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3ZcZ2h4Ths

        • Donuts

          @GoGoGoAway

          HAHAHA, you gotta be trolling…

          “ASSHOLE! These are separate ENTITIES!
          There is NO SUCH THING as an ISP/VPN/Proxy!”

          What the flying fuck do you think the “/” symbols represent?

          Now I know you’re struggling with that one, so let me answer that for you: They represent SEPARATION; they SEPARATE THE ITEMS IN THE LIST.

          Here’s an example: “I like red/green/blue/orange/cyan/magenta cars.” Are you so fucking dumb as to believe that that means that I like red-green-blue-orange-cyan-magenta cars, as in ALL ONE COLOR? Surely you’re not THAT retarded?

        • Flag

          @Donuts

          You’ve been flagged.

          Time to go home. Troll somewhere else.

        • Troll

          @Donuts

          You’ve been flagged.

          Time to go home. Troll somewhere else.

        • HaHaHaHaHaHa
    • MadAsASnake

      You would have to obtain a significant part of the file from that IP, and prove an end-end trace to the infringer. As the trace will almost always end with a home router, they can’t actually identify the infringer. ISP’s should really be refusing to supply names and addresses on this point alone. In reality, it is clear that the IP trolls simply scrape IP addresses and care little for the trail of evidence. Not one has to my knowledge ever produced this evidence in a courtroom, anywhere.

    • Infinitefacepalm

      They could simply receive a single piece from you, as each piece in a torrent has a calculable hash that would prove without doubt that transmission of the content has occurred.

      • WTF

        A “piece” of a file is infringement?

        WOW! What a concept!

        I entered a swarm then “Got Out Fast”!

        Too Bad. BUSTED?

        WTF!

        • Infinitefacepalm

          Yes it is, as the hash match provides verifiable evidence that some specific content is being distributed, so all they need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you’re involved in unauthorised distribution would be to confirm reception of a single piece from your IP.

          They won’t care for your excuses that you accidently “entered a swarm then ‘Got Out Fast’”.

        • INFESTATION

          @Infinitefacepalm

          Your argument WILL be laughed out of court !!!!

          What’s next? “Thinking” a HASH?

          TROLL TROLL TROLL
          TROLL INFESTATION!

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkxFb7-RFNA

        • Infinitefacepalm

          @INFESTATION

          Do you even know what a piece checksum is? Do you know how BitTorrent works?

          If you ever wanted solid evidence that an IP was actively engaged in unauthorised distribution, then THAT is it.

        • Hobbit

          @Infinitefacepalm

          I Laugh at you!

          You are a joke!

          YOU ARE SCUM. LIAR ASSHOLE POS.

          Checksum this you SCUMBAG CUNT!

          TROLL TROLL TROLL MAFIAA TROLL
          TROLL TROLL TROLL MAFIAA TROLL
          TROLL TROLL TROLL MAFIAA TROLL
          TROLL TROLL TROLL MAFIAA TROLL

    • Bakshi

      muh, set up 1 torrent, two commands to see if single ip is connected to it, get port for free, scan from there. Trulz dont need more than ip to start threat. USE TUNNEL

    • Rocks911

      They get a court order, kick down your door and sieze all your computers. Then they get to look at ALL your content

  • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

    Solution: move your money to an ISP that is not a douche. If there aren’t alternatives, VPN. And while at that completely boycott MAFIAA’s content since you’ll have to spend an extra on the VPN =)

  • Anon

    So after July 13th I can lower my internet package, I don’t need 100MB just to browse the web and read email.

    • Electa

      OR you can get a VPN connection :)

      • stopping by

        OR you can buy instead of stealing. :)

        • Fredrika

          > “OR you can buy instead of stealing. :)

          The act of manufacturing something with your own property, as in filesharing, is not stealing. You can verify this indisputable fact in the law or a dictionary. Please stop spreading your false propaganda.

          Secondly, why would waste money buying something that you can manufacture for free with your own property? No right minded capitalist would ever do something so stupid. But maybe you have a problem with the free market and capitalism? Are you advocating communism? Many anti-piracy people are, so you wouldn’t be the first.

        • Devnull

          How does stealing affect this scheme?

        • MrBrown

          Take a shit in a brown paper bag.
          Wrap it up nice and neat,
          Go down to the street corner and sell it for $5.

          I just manufactured a product!

        • A. Belxjander D. Serechai

          a LEGAL and ***AVAILABLE*** means of provision that is not being screwed like a whore as a free glory hole is definitely required for that kind of shit to make sense…

          if you want to have your wallet raped for everything you ever earn and have to pay repeatedly for?**what you already own** then go right ahead with such a blatant lie

          Downloading any media from the internet IS NOT and NEVER WILL BE deprivation of the origin, it is the active creation of a duplicate equal to the original (digital materials in this case make this true), where prior material required physical manufacture and recording of the analogue performance.

          Until such time as the courts actually acknowledge this fact the consumer of media is going to remain raped and pillaged by those barbaric viking imitations that are extorting money with the government backing them.

          so they are more a Mafia/Yakuza/Triad Gang with corporate makeup and none of the civility or social-mindedness.

          I would personally accept help from Yakuza here in Japan *BEFORE* accepting an RIAA/MPAA deal of any kind.

        • Anyone

          if you find someone that pays $5, congratulations

        • Tom

          @Fredrika
          “The act of manufacturing something with your own property, as in filesharing, is not stealing. You can verify this indisputable fact in the law or a dictionary. Please stop spreading your false propaganda.”

          You are not involved in the manufacturing of anything. Can you not understand that? Also, as you’ve been told before, law isn’t the issue here. It’s a handy straw man to put up, I’d admit but still… I’ll explain this to you again. Read it slowly so it sinks in. When a person make a statement that piracy is theft/stealing they are in no way referring to law.

          Speaking of dictionary definitions, please show me a dictionary that says piracy isn’t stealing. Indisputable fact.. Where are these facts?

          Sitting in you mums basement and clicking on a link to download Mass Effect 3 does mean you somehow manufactured the game out of thin air. You had no part in the blood sweat and tears that went into making it. That property doesn’t belong to you not even the copy.

          While the honest people go out and spend money to have the right to use and enjoy the product at the same time contributing to the production of future games. You sit there and leech. Contributing nothing while at the same time making it out like your somehow right and just.

          “Secondly, why would waste money buying something that you can manufacture for free with your own property? No right minded capitalist would ever do something so stupid.

          Are you seriously saying this? What would happen if everyone became pirates? We would see very few new movies, music or game releases. The entertainment industries would die as they would have no intensive or finances to keep on producing. Your imaginary manufacturing machine, what will happen to that? It will cease to function. It’s the honest paying customers that are keeping it all going. It is us that allow you to pirate in the first place. You need us but we don’t need you.

          “But maybe you have a problem with the free market and capitalism? Are you advocating communism? Many anti-piracy people are, so you wouldn’t be the first.”

          What the hell did this have to do with anything?

        • Tom

          Ok, let’s for one moment stop the debate about whether piracy is or isn’t stealing. You obviously hate that word theft and the debate is getting a bit stale. I’m also starting to realise that perhaps a true answer doesn’t really exist as this is more a philosophical debate or a debate about colloquialisms. In my mind it’s clearly stealing, even when I do it, for some reason it isn’t in your.

          I want to ask instead whether it is dishonest or not.

        • Justleaving

          it’s no longer about that trollboy, they started a war with their extortion hidden behind law, that’s what it’s about now, the losing faction might just get their heads cut off in the end as with any revolution that succeeds, if not, you will have to face guerilla and other horrors, like with any revolution that fails, you and your kind are making it worse, not better

        • 1AA74206

          I always understood “stealing” as the action by which I would appropriate something that someone else owns, or more appropriately, that I gained that thing and the other person lost it without a fair compensation. With regards to what we’re discussing here (movies, music, games etc.) the only possible loss is the loss of a potential sale, as nothing physical was lost in practice.

          Now however, ask yourself this question : was a sale really lost if someone pirated something? This rests on the assumption that for any pirated item, if pirating wasn’t possible, that item would have been bought by the pirate. This at least is wrong. Many people who pirated something wouldn’t have been willing to buy it, or even able to afford it in the first place. At best, a fraction of what’s been pirated would have been bought. But you may have lost a fraction of your sales, true.

          Now, consider an interesting parallel : your company is selling product A. My own company launches a new independently developed competing product B. For whatever reason, product B takes over a certain fraction of the market, resulting in a drop in product A sales. See what I did? Your company just lost money, and I earned some because of it. Does that qualify as stealing? You didn’t lose any physical asset, I didn’t take anything from you but you certainly lost a certain amount of potential sales. The process is the same.

          And it’s no coincidence the copyright industry is so intent on curbing both piracy AND competitors. For in the end, they both have the same effect on their revenue (a certain loss) and physical assets (none directly). You’re only being more open about the first because it feels like this fight can be won with the moral high grounds for you. The latter is a shameful secret which you’d rather try to silence.

          Once again, it’s all about climbing to the top and then kicking the ladder away so that no-one can compete with you, so that you can finally lay off the pressure and get a bit more lazy. I mean, it’s certainly a frightening prospect to have to wonder everyday if your products aren’t going to be displaced by a better (let’s say legal) alternative, and to have to start it all over again. No more luxury cars, no more expensive vacations, who wouldn’t be afraid to lose their comfort once they became used to it? Better to game the system and lock yourself into the top position forever, that feels safer and doesn’t require that much hard creativity anymore.

    • Gear Mentation

      And you don’t need it for VPN. You’ll just have to learn to set your torrent client to work overnight, and use the money you saved to buy the VPN service. BTW, Ipredator should have OpenVPN by July or August.

  • Animeyu

    ISP is only a provider of Internet connection. One of basic rights of humans, included in law, is sharing. No matter what kind of. If a company makes a law, then pushes it as a law for humans, this is in direct violation of human freedom a.k.a. sharing.
    If I bought a game, movie or music and I want to share with my friends, wether be it hand to hand, they all come to my place or throughout internet it is same. With this they are banning sharing by any means.

    Internet is just the first step..

    90% of movies, games and music are not worthy of releasing, nor wirth such amount of money. 1 million copies of Avatar BR or DVD, for example, is just as same as pirating. It is not an original.

    • K5ny

      “ISP is only a provider of Internet connection.”

      They’ll do whatever the law tells them.

      “One of basic rights of humans, included in law, is sharing. No matter what kind of.”

      No. The law says you can’t share certain things.

      “If a company makes a law, then pushes it as a law for humans, this is in direct violation of human freedom a.k.a. sharing.”

      They don’t care.

      “If I bought a game, movie or music and I want to share with my friends, wether be it hand to hand, they all come to my place or throughout internet it is same.”

      No. They have the ability to control what you do via the net.

      “With this they are banning sharing by any means.”

      They’re doing what they can to make it that way, yes.

      “Internet is just the first step..”

      The medium is irrelevant, the act is.

      “90% of movies, games and music are not worthy of releasing, nor wirth such amount of money. 1 million copies of Avatar BR or DVD, for example, is just as same as pirating. It is not an original.”

      That’s the product and the company behind it gets to control whether and how it is sold.

      • lol

        “No. They have the ability to control what you do via the net.”

        [citation needed]

        In fact, no citation needed. It’s obviously false:

        1) If they could control what you do, there would be no piracy;
        2) There is piracy;
        3) Therefore, they do not control what you do via the net.

        Troll HARDER.

        • K5ny

          I should have said “more ability”, something I realized afterwards, as to state “they have the ability” is too strong, as technically they also have the ability to stop people sharing in their homes too, but it’s not a realistic scenario. They have a much better chance of controlling what people do by controlling how people use the net than attempting to control what people do in person (as technology is easier to control than people).

          And they already do control what people do in a lot of ways and you know that, but it’s not perfect, and they’re working hard to correct that.

          Don’t be so fucking foolish to think they don’t have the ability to control a hell of a lot of what you do if they really want to. ISPs will do whatever the government demands if instructed to do so.

        • lol

          @K5ny

          Sorry, but wrong again. They just have to keep pushing people onto anonymous P2P networks and darknets: the harder they try, the less control they will have.

          The only reason they still have _some_ control over it, is because they haven’t been pushing hard enough. Piracy didn’t go anywhere and it will never will; if anything, it might be pushed more underground and, hence, harder to control.

          But, yeah… good luck trying to break rules of mathematics, economy and human nature. You still think you can legislate around Reality. Good luck.

        • http://twitter.com/RosalineAng_24 Julie B.

          However they are trying to control what people do via then net…and sadly I think is the first step. On the other hand can you truly ever completely stop piracy?

      • tiger97a

        ONE way we have gotten around of all of this bull is we have a swap club and right now we have about a hundred people in it and we all are required to have a new movie or song list by monday of each week and then we all meet every weekend and swap out movies and songs to each other and this works very well as you can buy it or down load it as long as it is good quality, we have a board set up in a chat room and we all have a master list with each persons code so we know who that is and we swap out and no money is changed hands and we all have a great time and its very hard to get in our group as you must be ok by ten people in the group or your out of luck-yes a little harder to do but we don’t have to worry about the law and we make our own copies and it works out good.

        • K5ny

          That’s nothing new, people did that decades ago before the net became popular (commodore/spectrum/amiga/atari/etc meetups for mass copying:). It works fine, except that you can be raided at anytime, though given the way copying has been demonised today it probably ain’t going to end up so pretty as back then when few really cared.

          I’m fully aware that they can/will never stop copying though, believe me. But that will not stop them from trying.

      • Fairness

        the american fifth amendment goes something like :
        No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken FOR PUBLIC USE, without just compensation.
        there’s different ways of interpreting that, i’d say you can get whipped if you broadcast your downloaded movie in a public place, but does that include downloading it ? it’s an endless battle of semantics

  • Anon

    “The deal involves content owners, such as recording labels and movie studios, monitoring peer-to-peer networks including BitTorrent for copyright infringements and reporting instances to Internet service providers.”

    A few years ago this would have been against the law. These days corporate America does what it fucking well likes.

    • Everyonemustbefifteenyo

      Utter bullshit. They’ve been notifying ISPs of subscriber infringements for the best part of a decade using the exact same methods (third-party companies working for media companies, monitoring swarms, recording IP addresses, contacting ISPs, contacting you).

      THIS IS NOTHING NEW.

      • Anonymous

        A decade ago, the average TF commenter was roughly 10 years old.
        You realize that, right?

  • Anonymous

    I am never buying a legal product again.If I ever want something bad enough I will have to find it used.
    RIAA & MPAA you suck !!!

    • Anonymous

      I’m taking my ball and going home.
      Wat? It’s your ball? Well, fuck you, ugly!
      *flips bird*

  • http://www.facebook.com/ValhallaLegend Andrew Lee

    I would love to meet one of these assholes face to face so I could tell them to go jump off a fucking bridge and put themselves out of our misery. All I can say is thank god there are local services around my area that offers the same speed for not too much more. I quit watching movies and playing music after the MU bs I think I will make it my mission to loan my dvd’s to every single person in my city.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

    This will end up in court in no time. It amounts to guilt by accusation. Rights holders also know full well that IP evidence is not sufficientto obtain damages against an alledged downloader.

    This agreement between ISPs and the MAFIAA amounts to extrajuditial justice akin to a virtual lynch mob. Also if my understanding of current FCC regs is correct, it puts the ISPs the wrong sideof the law. Take your pick, net neutality, discrimination.

    EFF et al will have a field day shooting this one down and I am amazed at Comcast as havnt they already suffered bad PR and an FCC fine for breaching netneutrality regs and throttling P2P traffic?

  • Now wut?

    MAFIAA troll would never learn anything.
    It’s not going to work no matter what you do we(or at least “I”) will will still not buy your shit. We(I) will never give money to you scumbag to troll around the net.

    Again, troll somewhere else please but not the net. Suggestion : Go arrest people who own USB pen drive and that might works.

  • bambam

    unbelievable that the US ISPs agreed to this bullshit. will never happen in europe, since some european ISPs already went to court and won. anyway, there are free alternatives like retroshare with encrypted traffic, i ll gonna try out, i hope that a lot of torrent sites will do too.

    • stopping by

      On the contrary – it’s already working in France. HADOPI resulted in a significant increase of iTunes music sales.

      • Fredrika

        > “On the contrary – it’s already working in France.”

        The key word was agreed as in voluntarily. So it’s not similar to what going on in France.

      • Anyone

        it has not
        it has not been proven that the increase has anything to do with HADOPI

        besides, it cost the country much more than the increased revenue on itunes, let alone taxes on ituenes (if there are any)

        such a law is extremely stupid for any country to implement, since it doesn’t benefit the country, nor society

      • lol

        [citation needed]

        You know: verifiable information, coming from an unbiased and independent source.

        Good luck finding any objective data to prove the opposite of reality.

      • MadAsASnake

        No. It is already not working in France. How many “infringers” has it caught? 3? 4? in 8+ months.

        • lol

          Exactly. If it HAD worked, there would be some evidence of IP traffic drop coming from France (after all, according to the media company’s rhetoric, 99,999% of IP traffic is infringing). I have yet to hear anything resembling that.

        • MadAsASnake

          I suspect that the French authorities have realised this to be a PR nuke. If they actually “catch” a lot of people there will be:
          - uproar from all the falsely accused innocents
          - uproar when judges / legislators etc get falsely accused (and Hadopi can’t avoid that)
          - inevitable court cases that throught the dumb scheme out.
          The answer is to choke all use out of it – MAFIAA claim it as a great success when the reality is that it is 100% white elephant.

      • Guest

        Yeah right… according to the very investigators the only possible conclusion was that iTunes had mantained it’s grow rate, that’s a trend that hasn’t changed even before hadopi entered into force. So actually Hadopi hasn’t had any verificable effect into iTunes.

      • Guest

        Yeah right… according to the very investigators the only possible conclusion was that iTunes had mantained it’s grow rate, that’s a trend that hasn’t changed even before hadopi entered into force. So actually Hadopi hasn’t had any verificable effect into iTunes sales.

      • Rocks911

        I have not, and will not spend one penny on i-anything. Steve Jobs, whos company had more money than some countries, whined about taxes and regulation, so that hippe turned money grubbing yuppie and his corporate monolith can kiss my ass!

    • tiger97a

      when you have content owners that are internet isp’s like Comcast and Time Warner then you are gonna have problems like this. p2p is a small thing that has gotten big to them as they want all the money they can get out us.

      The only way i see out of this is hit them where it hurts the most and where they would feel it the most is in their pocket books-how do we do that drop your internet off and go to regular tv and then don’t buy music or movies and don’t go to the theater either and then you will see them back down and change and cry.

      We also can do this is start by buying our own senator and so forth as sending in donations to a company or somebody like the EFF to do it for us. This would work better as i bet most will keep on buying and bitching about the bad mpaa or riaa as most i think is under age begin with.

    • Ghast

      some european countries did block tpb even if it achieves nothing, just to keep the peasants down

  • S5hlic2lilik

    Invest in a unpopular russian vpn service and you’re set for many years..
    Unlimited download + anonymity..

    • stopping by

      …or buy instead of stealing. It’s sooo much easier…

      • Fredrika

        > “….or buy instead of stealing.”

        First of all the act of manufacturing copies with one’s own property, that one own, as people filesharing does, is obviously never stealing. Please stop spreading false propaganda.

        Secondly, why would you buy something that you can manufacture yourself for free, with your own property? That sounds uneconomical. No right minded capitalist would ever do something so stupid.

        > “It’s sooo much easier…”

        Actually, no, it’s not. Piracy has no limitations whatsoever regarding format, OS, or software. Services authorized by the content industry has, and are therefore by definition not easier. They are basically worthless next to piracy.

        • Tom

          Gosh here we go again do you just copy paste this drivel?

        • Fredrika

          > “Gosh here we go again do you just copy paste this drivel?”

          When copyright trolls such as stopping by copy and paste’s false propaganda, as in the comment i replied to, i inform them and others of the errors in their false propaganda. Obviously false propaganda should always be met with facts.

          No, i do not copy and paste, i write it every time with lightening speed. And what you call drivel is actually indisputable facts.

        • Tom

          @Fredrika
          I believe a bit that perhaps ‘stopping by’ is trolling a bit with some of his posts. He seems to know it and he tends to put a smile in there to let you know. Not that that makes it any better mind you. But your responses are very similar to his. They are basically statements rather than arguments. Your statements are in no way fact and you really do embarrass yourself by saying that they are. In fact, you are doing just the same, using propaganda. If you really want to get your point across you really need to work on proving them rather than just stating them over and over again.

          Appologies for refering to your post as drivel.

        • Fredrika

          > “But your responses are very similar to his. They are basically statements rather than arguments.”

          I have no desire to argue for anything, with someone who is trolling and spreading false propaganda? The only thing that needs to be done is to point out the actual facts.

          > “Your statements are in no way fact and you really do embarrass yourself by saying that they are.”

          Actually, do you think you could stop with your empty accusations? If you have a problem with something i’m writing please specify what it is, and i will explain it to you more thoroughly. Rest assured, every word i type is indeed a fact, exactly as it is written.

          > “In fact, you are doing just the same, using propaganda. If you really want to get your point across you really need to work on proving them rather than just stating them over and over again.”

          Please tell me what point it is that you need proven, and i will gladly help you with that.

        • Fredrika

          > “@Fredrika”

          Again, stop posting answers directed at me as replies to others. Because you did that, i did not see this answer until now. Because you didn’t post in the correct location, i can’t post the answer there either.

          > “You are not involved in the manufacturing of anything. Can you not understand that?”

          You most certainly are. Downloading through filesharing is the act of manufacturing a physical copy on one’s hard drive. This is done by one’s computer. Both which are property owned by the person filesharing.

          > “Also, as you’ve been told before, law isn’t the issue here. It’s a handy straw man to put up, I’d admit but still… I’ll explain this to you again. Read it slowly so it sinks in. When a person make a statement that piracy is theft/stealing they are in no way referring to law.”

          They most certainly are. The debate is about piracy, which is something illegal. Because it is illegal, some ignorant people call it theft, to try to negatively associate the act, without actually arguing for why it’s something negative. This is in itself dishonest debating and a logical fallacy, as in guilt by association.

          But the only reason they can do this is because piracy is illegal, so it most definitely has to do with what the law says. Those ignorant people that calls filesharing theft don’t call fair use theft, because that’s legal.

          > “Speaking of dictionary definitions, please show me a dictionary that says piracy isn’t stealing.”

          You don’t seem to understand how a dictionary works? A dictionary does not list all hundreds of thousands of words that doesn’t apply. It list the words that actually does, and theft isn’t one of them.

          > “..clicking on a link to download Mass Effect 3 does mean you somehow manufactured the game out of thin air. You had no part in the blood sweat and tears that went into making it.”

          I have never claimed such, but now you are confusing the physical copy with the intellectual work. Those are two different things. If you are unable to tell those two apart, you will never understand anything in this debate.

          > “That property doesn’t belong to you not even the copy.”

          Now you confuse yourself even further. First of all, the game, as in the intellectual work, does not constitute property. This has been explained to you before. Property is something that has an inherent scarcity, that can be owned, sold or bought. Those criteria does not apply to a game, as in an intellectual work.

          Secondly, the copy that one manufactures when filesharing does indeed belong to the owner of the media which the copy is placed on, in this case the hard drive. The copy is manufactured according to the information freely distributed to you from another person filesharing, and the information describes that persons physical property, which he owns. All property involved in filsharing is owned by the people filesharing. Not any copyright holder.

          > “While the honest people go out and spend money to have the right to use and enjoy the product..”

          First of all, your personal subjective opinion about what constitutes honest is irrelevant to this debate.

          Secondly, they do not spend money to have the right to use and enjoy the product. That you claim this indicates that you do not understand how society and legislative prohibition affects people. People do not need any right to use and to enjoy intellectual works, because everything is allowed, until it is forbidden in law. It is simply no forbidden in the first place, so you do not need any right.

          > “..at the same time contributing to the production of future games.”

          The purchase of goods or services does not necessarily mean that those money ever will find their way into future games.

          > “You sit there and leech. Contributing nothing..”

          Most people seed, that is logically contribution.

          > “..while at the same time making it out like your somehow right and just.”

          Again, people do not need any right to be allowed to manufacture copies with their property, that they own. Secondly, what’s just is something subjective, but most people in society feels that it’s just to manufacture goods with property that already belongs to you.

          > “Are you seriously saying this? What would happen if everyone became pirates?”

          Everyone would have free access to copies of intellectual works. That’s the only self evident answer. Other answers can not be given based on those premisses given in your question.

          > “We would see very few new movies, music or game releases. The entertainment industries would die as they would have no intensive or finances to keep on producing.”

          Not necessarily. This debate is about one single line of business models that is built up around the use of intellectual works, the business models of manufacturing, distributing and selling physical copies, or the services of distributing information with which one can manufacture copies or direct play media, as in selling copies online or streaming.

          But those are not the only business models in the world which are built up around the use of intellectual works. There are others, who are not negatively affected by filesharing and free access to copies through piracy.

          So please do not assume that everybody filesharing would mean the end for all streams of revenues to the content industry. In reality, no evidence supports the thesis that that would happen. On the contrary, most of the revenues in the content industry’s current record revenues is already coming from those others business models, that work very will in symbiosis with filesharing. There simply doesn’t exist a problem with filesharing.

          > “It’s the honest paying customers that are keeping it all going.”

          That would be the pirates. The fact that you fileshare does not equal that you at the same time don’t spend money to the content industry through those other streams of revenues. In reality, all evidence point in the direction that pirates are in fact those who spend the most money on the content industry.

          > “It is us that allow you to pirate in the first place. You need us but we don’t need you.”

          What is needed for creation to continue is creators and revenue streams. Piracy does not stop neither, and being a pirate does not exclude at the same time contributing to revenue streams.

          > “What the hell did this have to do with anything?”

          This debate is about some ignorant copyright trolls advocating that one shouldn’t act according to free market rules, where no entrepreneur is privileged with a legislative monopoly. On the free market no right minded capitalist would ever dream of paying someone to manufacture a copy for him, when he can do that himself at zero cost. That’s how the free market and capitalism works.

          In western democracy legislative monopolies are never used out of principle. They are only used on rare occasions if it can be proven that they would benefit society as a whole, which is how the copyright monopoly should work. But no evidence exists that support the thesis that the non-profit parts of the copyright monopoly benefit society.

          This is why the copyright monopoly is made up of illegitimate legislation, which is why people doesn’t care about it’s intrusion into their property, and simply resort to piracy without any moral problems.

          But copyright trolls argue that the monopoly should both exist and be obeyed out of principle. Arguing that a legislative monopoly should exist out of principle, and that people shouldn’t act according to free market rules is a clear stand against the free market, which normally only communist’s advocate.

          So when stopping by suggest that you should buy instead of manufacturing the copy yourself, with your own property, he’s actually arguing against capitalism and the free market.

      • DutchGuest

        Obvious troll is obvious.

        • Prowet

          this thread has been infected, please get out your troll-repellant and put on your bullshit mask cos it stinks ;-)

      • lol

        Not buying, nor stealing. The way I see it, you can just return to being irrelevant, as far as culture is concerned.

        In the end: you have nothing I might want to buy. Being entertained is much lower in my priority list than being ETHICAL.

        And giving money to such people is clearly UNETHICAL.

        Enjoy your imaginary property.

      • Minimus

        The classic one, i got one for you. The poorest countries in Europe are not about to sign ACTA because the people there simply can’t afford to buy all that shit. If you have interest in keeping your business safe, start asking questions and maybe you can take all your money and moneymaking there. Business is business right and fair is fair, but fair is long gone with all this inquisition going on.

        • Wakeupcall

          Oh I’m sure they can be persuaded with a little arm twisting.

  • nick

    ok. time to educate myself on this VPN. Where can i go to sign-up or learn?

    • Blbljbl

      There are many out there. swissvpn.net being one of them. But before that you should carefully consider Which VPN Providers Really Take Anonymity Seriously? http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-providers-really-take-anonymity-seriously-111007/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Torrentfreak+%28Torrentfreak%29

    • Anonymous

      Virtual Private Networking

      It means an encrypted link to a remote VPN server which stops your ISP seeing what you are doing. The VPN server then allow you to connect to the Internet but if no server logs are kept then all the copyright cartel can log is the VPN server’s IP with no indication about which user did it.

      Many VPN services offer a free trial for you to test them out. It is a good time for them to pick up many new subscribers.

      • Need Advice

        I was wondering if torrentprivacy is any good – no logs kept, servers in Netherlands, Sweden and USA but company based on Seychelles (A group of 90 islands located western of Indian Ocean to the north of Madagascar) so not under any usrael/copyright cartel’s jurisdiction

    • Apex

      a safe bet if you use tpb might be tpb’s own vpn service ? i hear hidemyass has given up a few people already under pressure so i definitely wouldnt go there. Mail out, ask what kind of data-retention policy they have. If they keep the logs around for months it’s pretty useless in case they get forced to break it open by the lawz

  • Robin_Rafi

    I can’t imagine how much work this will add the current workload of the employees at these ISPs…lol…I feel bad for the ISPs because this is just an extra cost, extra costs for hiring employees to handle the extra workload…..employees wanting hire salaries at the ISPs because of the extra workload they are handling…..As far as I know, France is the only other country that has “X number of Strikes” law besides the USA…thank god for VPNs…BTW, my VPN speed sucks compared to when I was just going through my ISP without the VPN……..I guess because the VPN throttles or because it is outside the USA….any ideas on how to increase VPN throttle spead or increase download/upload speed when using a VPN?

    • Blah

      Why feel bad for the ISP, it isn’t going to cost them anymore they will just pass the cost on to the consumer with a rate increase to do this unwanted policing.

  • Saladin286

    solution no.2 create personal net with with its closest neighbors and they to their neighbors only a local network with no access to the internet .. When she grows enough to become internal or intarnet internet … free file sharing and everything … without interference MAFFIIAAAA ……

    • They

      if it’s only between people you can trust use retroshare that should provide ample safety measures

  • Screwyoumrgovernment

    Just for good measure I’ll put another router in my network that is open to the public. Try to prove who did it then Mr. Government.

  • eLad

    the milk ’tis out of the bottle.

    silly corporations.

  • http://www.facebook.com/91Animul Brandan Dk Gildersleeve

    we should make some FTP servers for file sharing there not illegal in anyway its coming direct from the computer or server no need for p2p and the isp cant see it since its a secured server so they just know your downloading something pretty much but dont know what

  • http://www.facebook.com/91Animul Brandan Dk Gildersleeve

    ive done that already lol i have 4 in a series that all have simmilar address makes it harder to track lol

  • Mike

    Anyone know how they are going to do this? Will they just be monitoring public trackers?

    • Anyone

      and private, if they have an account there
      or just inspect your packets for bittorrent traffic

    • lol

      Simple. Just use cyberlockers, Usenet, FTP, XDCC, emule, I2P, Tor, Freenet, Retroshare, the OFF network, email, etc.

      Or… if everything else fails, just use the sneakernet (latency sucks, but the bandwidth is nice), until the worldwide mesh (Internet3) is ready ;)

      • lol

        Oh. And DC++, WASTE, GNUnet, SoulSeek (what? it still lives?), OneSwarm, Stealthnet, Osiris SPS, MUTE, PerfectDark, Netsukuku, Nodezilla…

        ..did I forget anything? Probably.

      • Oldskool

        point : you still need someone to provide the first copy, the real pirates will finally be able to make some real money again

  • http://www.facebook.com/91Animul Brandan Dk Gildersleeve

    people in the community can share there drives with others as well ive seen it done and ive done it plenty of times 300+ movies 60,000 some odd songs 3 500gb drives have been shared with over 20 people = I win :D just switch drives for a night or 2 and switch back bam all new movies songs = score

  • gollu

    Then when Elisa start throttling my connection, I will just ask them – How I use now service what you offering to me when you actions prevent me to use it properly… so they can disconnect but I don´t pay service what I can`t use.

    Anyway if they disconnect all pirates then We get own network and that´s not good… IMHO

  • RunnerX

    hm… if my ISP provider block my connection or something else i will sue the ISP because has no legal right I have not signed the contract with that clause, and even so i will find other ISP, no one have right to block a connection because i pay for that internet connection!

    • Anonymous

      If your ISP terminates your connection then the United Nations have classed that as a human rights violation.

  • Anonymous

    so, using bittorrent makes a person a pirate, does it? if so, that means using a car makes a person a dangerous driver? going to a shop makes a person a shoplifter? the list is endless and is just as meaningless.

    • Infiltrate

      so everyone just keeps torrents with pictures of the dog and kids running 24/7 then

  • Guest

    I’ll be able to get around this easily once this starts being enforced. Step 1: Unlock my wireless router to outside traffic (still keeping it throttled, though), Step2: Leech off of the neighbor’s wireless and torrent only with the laptops. Step 3: lol @ time warner.

  • Mh

    We need a parallel Internet without those assholes :D

    • Gear Mentation

      Yes, and people are already working on the structure that will take.

    • Hotline

      there was like this time when internet wasn’t really widely available and i remember pirate business booming then since everything was sold as hardcopy by people importing it, don’t think for a second that all of this is new, it just got attention by leeches who smelled bloodmoney

  • http://twitter.com/akivaran Mysteriously Unnamed

    I have a question, what about private trackers? If the tracker site made you log in, and sign a user agreement, and tracking IPs was against the terms and conditions, would the copy write holders be able to use the IP lists to get subpoenas?

    • Anonymous

      Yes they can track private trackers.

      They do not get court subpoenas when going direct to your ISP means they both attack you united. They call it a 6 strike process even if there are only 5 strikes with increased measures each strike.

      Only then would it become a court case… if they dare.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Zack-Nelson/1287355169 Zack Nelson

    I don’t like the idea of my ISP policing my online connection, not to mention there are no penalties for these content owners for screwing up. I shall look into using Tor in the future. Right now here are some issues I, and many others have with this:

    This private policing thing is (once again) established under the assumption that an ip address is a person. It doesn’t account for the fact that other people could be using that internet connection. Many families share the same online connection, and wardrivers can also hijack someone’s internet connection via Wi-Fi. Even if you did secure your hotspot, people can still crack wireless encryption with ease if you don’t have your security set up right.

    Also, BitTorrent is an online protocol, online that several other programs use. Blocking torrents from coming and going can also inadvertently hinder the functionality of legal software that use that protocal.

    Lastly, there are artists and creators that depend on using BitTorrent for distributing their works. Musicians share music, video makers share there stuff, and GPL software developers also use BitTorrent as a means of distributing applications and operating systems. This isn’t the middleman that takes advantage of BitTorrent, but rather the creators themselves.

    As you can see, policing the use of BitTorrent can do more harm than good.

    • Lock Jaw

      In the article it states that only specific content will be grounds for ISP action, “music from EMI, Sony, Universal and Warner, or do likewise with movies owned by Disney, Sony, Paramount, 20th Century Fox, Universal and Warner”. I don’t think it will matter if you torrent content for ‘legal’ or indie bands, etc.

      • lol

        Well, regardless, they’ll be already eavesdropping on your connections without a warrant.

        Enjoy your “freedom”, America.

        • AnonymousPatriot

          The sad part is the ISPs have the right to do this according the terms of service agreements. Apparently (I have only read my own) they can monitor your connection and take whatever action they want from playing “punishment games” to reporting activities to authorities.

          Freedom in the USA has been disappearing since the country was founded.

    • mindstarve

      Absolutely Zack, and so far Bittorent software use is not illegal as far as I know. The ISPs have “punished” those subscribers who have used it. IMO its like a fresh pile of dog shit on a hot day. The ISPs get complaints from copyright owners or reps and do shit like throttling a connection while someone is paying for unlimited, blocking ports etc. From what I understand basically all they are required by law to do is DMCA notice and if the “actual” infringing activity continues they then either terminate the account or suspend it.

  • Noneone

    What happend to the ISPs in the USA when they started taking it up the ass from the MPAA/RIAA or “content providers”. The answer is they started f*cking their customer to compensate. From deals like ISPs throttling peoples connections is going to go up to common place along with their bills from the ISP. After the big SOPA/PIPA debate it’s like the DMCA has started to mean nothing, safeharbors worthless, and sites like a cyberlocker being criminally liable even if they abide by DMCA when they have no real need to being that they are not based in the USA.

  • Federazionedellaluce

    Illuminati..

  • harry krishna

    meanwhile, back at the at&t, they consistently sandvine an utbuntu os torrent. i doubt i’ll ever get to 1.

  • http://www.twitter.com/echoman74 echoman

    Well this should be interesting when millions of customers drop their isp’s fucking ridiculous! this won’t last, because if these isp’s have any smarts at all they’ll realise the big mistake they made as for the industry eat shit and die.

    • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

      …wonder how fast we can get a mesh network up and running in major cities?

      • http://www.twitter.com/echoman74 echoman

        lol i have a book on that :)

        • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

          Was that mentioned in no safe harbor? I forget…or are you referring to something else?

  • http://twitter.com/Mean2herButthol Mean2herButthole

    Its a good time to be a lawyer…

    • Louis

      the french sun king must have thought that up until a week before they lopped his head off

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  • Guest

    Hahahahaha! They are asking for a bloodbrawl now. The more you try restrict people, the more they are going to revolt. This shall be interesting to watch. I wonder if this will be enough to piss anonymous off again. DDOS all the sites!

    • Anonymous

      Im so sick of people thinking that DDOS does something besides make headlines.

      • Guest

        True. It’s useless just as protests. We need to show alternatives instead.

      • Mizer

        it does raise awareness, which is the primary goal of the ddos attacks, not just some headbutting contest

  • Asashii

    damn you people bullshit alot about this shite, if the laws are in place and passed, then there is fuck all you can do about it, sorry but bitching pirates need to walk the plank, adapt or fade away, thats what real piracy is about …. next topic!!!!

    • Anyone

      you can vote the corrupt cunts that passed the laws out.
      of course, the alternative is usually another corrupt cunt, but still.

    • Anonymous

      That is a nice little brain dictatorship you have there but try a thought called democracy when like alcohol prohibition laws can be repealed.

      Then let us not forget…
      WE KILLED SOPA, WE KILLED PIPA, WE WILL KILL ACTA

      This backroom agreement is not even a law but could well be a violation of several laws like libel, wire fraud and harassment.

      We are not just pirates but the whole damned market backed up by millions, after millions, after millions of people. File sharing has increased as every year has passed and there is no sign it will slow down now. What do these people most want? An all you can eat service, at a nice price, playable on all devices.

      Waiting… waiting… waiting… hello anyone?, still waiting here. waiting… waiting… hello? [wave]… still waiting….

      • stopping by

        Nobody’s ‘killing’ ACTA. :) It takes time for international treaties of that size to find their final form.

        Why pirates are so interested in the agreement in the first place is beyond me though, as it doesn’t introduce any new laws or affect individuals in any way.

        It would make more sense if they tried to change the existing laws.

        Those are the ones that are destroying the pirate industry right now.

        • Anonymous

          ACTA is already in its final form which is why it is being signed by various countries to one day be ratified. If you want me to worry you then you have just met your worst nightmare.

          To start with then TPP (son of ACTA) has just STALLED in the latest round in Australia simply because many people now know that if TPP follows the same ultra secret anti-democratic route that ACTA did then the general public will blow it out of the water making all their effort wasted.

          Well let me start with the horrors of ACTA when let us recall that the WTO previously rejected the previous incarnation of ACTA which is why they aimed to bypass the WTO. Now with ACTA they aim to establish their own copyright fascists club to again always bypass the WTO. Maybe you can tell me when copyright ceased to be a World Trade matter?

          We should then ask why ACTA did an excellent job at keeping everyone unauthorised out of the picture to such a point that the only time the public got a voice was when ACTA was just starting up and no one knew anything about it.

          Let us also not forget that for a long time the United States refused to release ACTA saying that such a release was a threat to national security,

          Then we have a very interesting situation when ACTA’s ultra-secret founding documents are only due to be released 4 years after ACTA is ratified by all these original countries.

          What is very interesting about that fact is that ACTA is a very ambiguous document when many sections can have many meanings depending on how you want to view it. Now it would be nice to let each country figure out for itself what it means but that is not what international law says. Instead international law says that ambiguous points should be clarified based on the founding discussion documents.

          So here they are wanting all these countries to sign up to this trade agreement that no one will know the true meaning of until 4 years after it has been ratified which makes this an extremely dangerous document.

          Now if ACTA is as harmless as what you claim then let them make public now those founding documents that would well clarify what terms like “commercial infringement” really mean. Time to come clean or time for ACTA to die.

        • lol

          “Pirate industry”? You mean the boats off the coast of Somalia? That hardly counts as an industry, sir.

        • Yaddaa

          because of the options it opens up, that’s why

      • Gae

        Ha, you really think they will give people what they want?
        Their whole aim is to protect their existing system, the all you can eat service you refer to and that many people want and that would seriously decrease infringement is not their goal as this would mean they get to make less money.
        They will never implement this as long as there is the option of forcing people to continue with the old model.

      • Factoid

        you did not kill sopa, you did not kill pipa, they’re being reviewed and will probably be signed in closed quarters in ultimate silence

      • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

        You know, quite frankly, attrition is having an effect. the war for freedom and privacy on the internet is being waged on so many fronts that I’m just exhausted, tired of fighting.

        I’m to the point where I want to say forget what’s legal or one’s rights…do what you want. copyright has never stopped sharing in all the history of humanity. Sure people were prosecuted, jailed, beheaded, etc but it still never even made a dent in the people’s actions. Let the chips fall where they may, it’s not going to change a damn thing.

    • lol

      Adapt? Ok. I install I2P and share torrents anonymously. Your move.

    • MadAsASnake

      If they passed a law that said you had to behead your first born would you just say “oh well, it’s the law”? Doubt it. Every citizen has a right to revolt against unjust laws.

    • DannyUfonek

      Sorry man, but at least try to troll a bit harder.
      I’m disappointed about what trolling has become. Please troll, we love trolls, they help to keep the spirits up, but only if and only if they are good. Trolling is an art.
      A good troll doesn’t troll about something obivous, it’s like the Republicans blindly blaming the Democrats, or the Nazis blaming the Communists. It’s like if you are/were a girl, and you show boobs immediately. Don’t troll on something obvious; don’t show boobs quickly, but rather slowly – the slower, the better. A good troll is a bit harder to see through, he/she isn’t obvious.
      So, please learn how to troll properly or stop it. We want good trolls here, meaning trolls which have a level adequate to the quality of this site. Thank you.
      And if you still aren’t sure what I mean, look here for inspiration:
      http://artoftrolling.memebase.com/

      • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

        I heard that the pro-lifers were in favour of this 5 strikes rule…the pro-choice people tried fighting it but who’s ever cared what they thought about it.

        Also, Hitler. Just because.

        Man I miss USEnet…the discussion part, not the binaries froups. trolling was so much easier there. How do you crosspost in a forum?

    • Trespass

      Thanks for the laugh! I needed that….

  • Sean

    Does Peer Block really work? I’m considering trying it.

    • Anyone

      it does not

  • Brak

    Maybe time go to court (and win?) – no customer signed this on contract with isp ?

    • Anonymous

      Maybe not but your ISP would have the right to modify your contract. You would get a notice in the mail and you then have X days to formally reject the changes (at the expense of your connection) or otherwise changes go into effect.

  • foff

    Up until now if I got a letter from an isp it was because a third party sent a complaint to the isp. Does this now mean that the isp’s are going to get into the censorship business? We are talking major lawsuits here. If they are setting limits on the gigs per month then get another internet connection either from the same or different isp. Problem solved. You can always disconnect your internet for a few days to clean your slate if you have received letters. Of course some isp’s stick you with a connection fee but many have a promotion that waives it. Some solutions require money but pirating has never been completely free.

    What a vpn does is make it impossible for a third party to monitor you because they can only trace an ip to the vpn company and cannot identify a specific customer. However some vpn’s keep logs and will disconnect vpn customers so not all vpn’s are useful for pirating. A vpn won’t help much if the isp decides to spy on your connection at some point the data leaves the vpn and travels the last mile or so from your isp and your ip to your home. I doubt the isp would have any ability to inspect encrypted packages so if the vpn offers encryption you should be fine.

  • WillChangeIsp

    Oh no! Comcast will whoop my ass on daily basis!

  • Kopimist

    Usenet

  • Bloaxor

    I really like this part:
    “Those not engaging in file-sharing on P2P networks will probably notice very little (cyberlocker sharing is not covered), APART FROM ULTIMATELY HAVING TO HELP FINANCE THE SCHEME THROUGH THEIR ISP BILLS.”

    So they *cough* asked nicely *cough* for it, but financing it? Nope, you guys do it!

  • Question

    If you have btguard proxy, does that stop your ISP from snooping? Or do you need to upgrade to btguard vpn?

    • Anon

      The proxy just covers your bittorrent tracks, a vpn covers all your internet activity, and btguard doesn’t keep logs.

      Now, my question is – to anyone who can answer – will they START monitoring on July12th, or will they send out notices to people who have downloaded stuff from June of last year up until now? The article was just a bit confusing that way (I think one sentence got cut-off mid-thought or something…)

  • Guest

    I’m calling bullshit

    1. too much data to keep track of

    2. not all torrenting is infringing.

    Again, soon no one will want to use the internet because of dumbass laws that throw users in jail for life because of one click.

    LET THE OLD BUSINESS MODELS DIE AND STOP SCREWING EVERYONE OVER BECAUSE YOU CAN’T ADAPT!

    sheesh, you know I’m reminded of last nights South Park, the one with the toilet lids.

  • Denial

    If your ISP notices you just …

    DENY DENY DENY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZmnXIN_Rb4

    • Anonymous

      Nice. I heard a Eddie Murphy joke about that once but I did not know there was an older video version.

  • Rocks911

    How about a VPN service?
    Will that not hide your ass?

    • Anyone

      if it is a good VPN, yes
      a bad one might just sell you out

      be careful that they are not within US jurisdiction and you should be fine

  • http://profiles.google.com/orfetheo Orfeas Theofanis

    The flaws with that kind of agreement:
    1) Will anyone who created a song be able to track p2p transfers? If yes, then basically everyone can. If no, then the problem is obvious (big brother).
    2) Keeping track of your private connection? Same problem, big brother.

    Have you Americans ever heard of a private life? One that no one can enter and spy on you without repercussions?

  • Anonymous

    Time to buy some shares U.S. Postal service. Looks like they’ll be delivering a TON of letters!

  • Sam12345

    “…apart from ultimately having to help finance the scheme through their ISP bills…”

    So everyone pays…not satisfied with refusing to update their business models, errors in their reports, falsifying claims of losses…now they want u to pay extra for something u dont want, dont need and wont make a bit of difference….way to go!

  • Argarcia1986

    Why do they even waste there time and money on stupid projects like this, when people always find a loop hole =/

  • Freshegg19

    This is a gross violation of human rights.It is ironic such laws are implemented in countries like France which symbolise revolution and US which constantly bitches about its great democratic values.
    The US people should understand that their congressmen are sluts who do as their pimps(corporations) say for the money to run their campaigns.

    • Omg

      Human rights? Since the dawn of “civilization” anything that is deemed “profitable” has been expropriated from any people in any country (i.e. land, oil, water, other resources). I dont see how the internet is any different or ever was. People just like to believe and strongly that it is otherwise. Its just another source of money for corps that have fined tuned the process of extortion of money from the people. ppl always got robbed blind and its only naive to believe that this will ever change WHEN no-one actually does nothing but hide tehir head in the sand pretending the sky is pink.

      • lol

        You’re comparing things (subjected to scarcity) with digital data (not subjected to scarcity, infinitely malleable, easy and cheap to transmit to any point in the world within a few ms).

        Your analogy fails right there.

        • loluredumb

          @lol

          Wrong again. He’s talking about anything potentially profitable being taken control of by those who desire the power it brings them. This has fuck-all to do with whether an item is tangible or not, only whether it can be profitable to those who possess control.

          The Internet and “digital data” is being treated in exactly they same way as everything else on this earth has been since time began.

        • lol

          @loluretroll

          It doesn’t matter how “they” will treat it. Unlike physical objects, digital data is infinitely malleable. Read a book. One day you’ll get it.

          In a world where the “War on Drugs” has accomplished anything but the end of drug consumption, do you really believe a “War on Piracy” will accomplish anything, when “smuggling drugs” is infinitely harder than “smuggling data”?

          LOL. Nice try.

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  • Freshegg19

    They just turned a blind eye while your banks robbed you blind.Don’t expect anything different when it comes to copyright laws.

    • lol

      No one actually wants to see the truth, so I have no idea why people complain when they do sod all to change it

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Brazell/100002034890242 Sean Brazell

    Since it wasn’t included in the article, here is a complete list of all ISP’s involved in this bullshit……

    SBC Internet Services, Inc., BellSouth
    Telecommunications, Inc., Southwestern Bell Telephone Company, Pacific Bell
    Telephone Company, Illinois Bell Telephone Company, Indiana Bell Telephone
    Company, Incorporated, Michigan Bell Telephone Company, Nevada Bell Telephone
    Company, The Ohio Bell Telephone Company, Wisconsin Bell, Inc., The Southern New
    England Telephone Company, and BellSouth Telecommunications, Inc. (the AT&T Inc.
    companies); Verizon Online LLC, Verizon Online LLC – Maryland, and Verizon Online
    Pennsylvania Partnership (the Verizon companies); Comcast Cable Communications
    Management, LLC; CSC Holdings, LLC (solely with respect to its cable systems
    operating in New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut) (the Cablevision systems); and
    Time Warner Cable Inc

  • neb

    Now that I have seen how many folks here are ignorant of how IP works………
    CJ had it correct, and so did a few others, multipule users, still, I ain’t paying for HS Internet at dial-up speeds. I’ll just tell Verizon to stick it.

    You can thank drunken Joe Biden for this boatload……………..

    To the lames that spouted off, do some research of your own and then post.

  • guest

    You guys bitch and complain, enjoy ALTERNATIVE MEDIA.

    diaspora*
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_video_games
    One of my favorite OS games is red eclipse.
    /r/darknetplan
    http://vodo.net/
    humble bundle
    minecraft
    linux

    I am not condoning the barbaric “legal system”. There is no question that downloading files is less severe than other crimes that get less punishment. I will even go as far as saying, you have the right to download files you own already. But when you download files that you do not have the rights to, don’t complain when your internet connection gets throttled.

    In the next 20 years, i expect to see a rise in independent development, where companies don’t have millions and billions to squander on buying political power.

    • lol

      This.

      If they don’t want us to share their stuff, we won’t. Nor buy it. They can keep it.

  • A Kandybko

    When ever I download something I use peerblock Blocks all the bs

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Or so you think…. it might just be that no one has put your name on a list YET!

    • Mcurnggeo

      Do not count on it.

    • Anonymous

      Why do people use Torrents? Usenet is better in every single way…

  • Gae

    Really the biggest joke here is that they think they can ‘educate’ people into buying their shit.

    • SelfRighteousVengeance

      That’s just the polite way of saying they’re going to hurt people who don’t do what they say.

  • Anonymous

    Of course its Comcast, Time Warner and Verizon. These 3 ISPs have the worst customer service and care the least about their privacy. When the MAFIAA asks for personal information about a customer, for all they care they just hand it over on a silver platter.

    • Anonymous

      I’m sorry, but the article clearly states, “Major ISPs including Comcast, Verizon and Time Warner Cable” — INCLUDING means that there are others. I know for a fact AT&T also signed, because I’m moving and Comcast and AT&T are the only choice I get, and I found a more complete list in some other article I read online. I really wish that this article had been a little less conversationally written. I think a COMPLETE list of the ISPs involved would have been something of a a gimmee to include.

      • Anonymous

        Of course, but these 3 happen to be biggest and coincidentally, the lousiest.

  • No

    >implying the isps won’t immediately back out of the deal the second they sense a backlash

    lol

  • Zurcdrawde

    You dorks are reading too far into it. The responsibility falls on the owner of the account that the IP is associated with. The assumption is that they oversee all activity on their network.

    • neb

      correct, again

    • Everyonemustbefifteenyo

      Oh don’t be cruel man, you’re gonna make their brains hurt.

    • lol

      Big assumption. Tell that to grandma with her open wifi.

    • Anonymous

      Yes they will aim to attack the subscriber but there is NO LAW in the United States that makes the account holder liable for what OTHER PEOPLE DO.

      The US Courts have already ruled on this matter saying “an IP address does not equal a person”. So they have an IP address so they have to now prove what one of X people did it. Can’t do it then that equals unlawful harassment, threats, libel and wire fraud.

      The fireworks should be quite petty as this scheme is pulled apart.

  • I2Person

    Looks Like I2P is about to get VERY popular. Right in time too, 0.9 is coming soon. Lots of fun protocol standards like PEX, DHT, UDP multicast and pretty much everything else it didn’t have. Let’s hope it all doesn’t crash when it goes absolutely viral. I hope TorrentFreak doesn’t feature it before 0.9.

    • lol

      I guess so. If history repeats itself, it will be like when they implemented HADOPI. Fun stuff.

  • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

    So they’ll start throttling their users, and then those users will find another ISP. Comcast & Friends could lose a LOT of money.

    • Cattlepen

      In the end you won’t have anywhere left to go (if you even do now, which many don’t).

      • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

        Fake your identity and open a new account?

    • Anonymous

      That’s like saying “Vote the jerks who are screwing over the public out of office!” — as if there’s another choice! You run out of ISPs and candidates very quickly!

      • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

        Hehe, true :)

  • Shadow star

    in different countries each country has different content and so if you download usa movies and music and than your in trouble and if your in a different country your fine and as each country tries protect there own content from shadowstar 66

  • Rusty Shackleford

    Looks like I will have to add a proxy service to my monthly expenses, thanks a lot greedy fuckers. I already pay for netflix hulu and amazon prime, if your shit isn’t on there I get it from people who share what they recorded over the air and what not. I will never buy cable, I will never buy a movie, or tv episode, I simply can’t afford it. I could pay .03$ for an episode and like .08$ for a movie just to watch not own. Take it or leave it or give netflix hulu or amazon the content to give to us for a subscription cost. I use Pandora for all of my music needs. I usually buy a t-shirt or something from my favorite tv shows website. But stop expecting me to pay 1.99 an episode for shit. Never going to happen never!

    • stopping by

      Do you always steal the things you can’t afford?

      • lol

        Have you stopped beating your mother?

        • stopping by

          lol,
          Rusty Shackleford openly admits that he steals his ‘shit’ “from people who share what they recorded over the air and what not.”

          Then he goes on to explain why: He can’t afford to buy..

          Which raises the question if he also steals other kinds of ‘shit’ that he can’t afford.

          Cars, for instance. They are so much more expensive than movies, after all.

          And I’m sure they also want to be free…

      • Robin Hood

        I can’t say about Rusty, But I do “steal” from MAFIAA all the time.

        AND will be doing that for many years.

        Stupid troll.

      • Fredrika

        > “Do you always steal the things you can’t afford?”

        You seem confused, as in ignorant. The act of manufacturing something with your own property, that you own, instead of buying it, as people filesharing does, is not stealing, it’s smart capitalistic money saving behaviour. Do you have a problem with capitalism?

  • msi, stupidmf

    i have att. *le sounds of glee

    • Anonymous

      I’m sorry but if you re-read the article, they list *some* of the ISPs, but not all of the ISPs that signed on, and AT&T definitely has signed on. There was a more complete list in another article I read, and I remember being ticked off that Comcast and AT&T were both on the list, as they were my only choices for ISPs where I’m moving.

  • Omgdecisions

    i can live without content sure, i was never intending to loan the ip from such hollywood companies in the first place.
    i need to cut back on my hardware spending these days so the only loser for censorship in my world will be hardware manufacturers. no more tv`s, blanks discs, cd/dvd writers, media players, consoles, HDD`s, defo considering downing my broadband package my isp has a free package.
    i dont use the internet for email,social networking,news,watching crap quality videos on youtube. i use it for one thing, its not porn. so Hollywodd wins!

    wins what i ask myself?

  • Nimski

    Other legal services? The only other legal option I have for my unlimited music choice is Grooveshark. Even then, you guys are sueing my other option and force me to pirate.

    • lol

      Have you heard of this thing called youtube? You _can_ download the videos/music from there, you know?

      • stopping by

        No, that’s illegal – unless YouTube explicitely tells you otherwise, for instance by placing a download link next to the video.

        • lol

          LOL.

          Troll HARDER.

          How can youtube distinguish between downloading and streaming, when it’s exactly the same?

          Brotip: it can’t.

        • Fredrika

          > “No, that’s illegal – unless YouTube explicitely tells you otherwise, for instance by placing a download link next to the video.”

          You seem confused, as in ignorant. YouTube does not decide what a user is legally allowed to do, the copyright monopoly in that users country does that.

        • stopping by

          lol & Fredrika,

          Like I said – it’s illegal to download any YouTube material.

          “You shall not download any Content unless you see a “download” or similar link displayed by YouTube on the Service for that Content.”

          “You shall not copy, reproduce, distribute, transmit, broadcast, display, sell, license, or otherwise exploit any Content for any other purposes without the prior written consent of YouTube or the respective licensors of the Content. ”

          Source:
          YouTube’s Terms of Service.
          http://www.youtube.com/static?gl=ja&template=terms

          Anyway, YouTube certainly is an awesome alternative to theft.

          I’m not a Google fan, but in this case they really got it right: People can have fun uploading whatever they want; fans get all the music they can possibly dream of for free, and right holders are paid – no matter if their property was uploaded legally, or otherwise.

          What’s not to love…

        • lol

          @stopping by

          1) YouTube’s Terms of Service are not a legally binding contract. Not in the US and not in the country I’m in right now;

          2) YouTube has no way of distingushing streaming from downloading (so, even if point 1 was incorrect, they wouldn’t know any better);

          3) No. Rightsholders don’t get paid, because I use adblockers against their crap. Therefore, YouTube doesn’t count me as a viewer and doesn’t transmit money from the advertisers to the content creators.

          Problem?

          (Troll HARDER, Mr. Theft Troll.)

        • lol

          @stopping by

          Also: YouTube doesn’t give money to the content creators, but to the content _publishers_

          …but you already know that, right? ;)

        • stopping by

          lol,
          Again, it is absolutely illegal to download any content from YouTube – sound or video – unless you’re told differently.

          Not only because YouTube says so. Which they certainly do. But downloading content is copying, and you just don’t have the right to do that unless you own that content, or if the content is in the public domain or under a similar.license.

          Nobody said that content *creators* are paid – though they often are. I told you that ‘right holders’ are. And that is true. Which is the beauty of YouTube.

          As for adblockers: If they were a problem to Google and/or right holders, they would be blocked… :)

        • Fredrika

          > “Like I said – it’s illegal to download any YouTube material.”

          Actually, no, it is not. As i said, YouTube is not the law, YouTube and their texts on their webpages is not the law.

          Whether or not you have a legal right to download and save copies from YouTube is decided by the copyright monopoly in a users respective country. In those countries where there is no copyright monopoly, it’s obviously legal. In those countries where the copyright monopoly only covers use for profit, it’s obviously legal for users to both upload and download whatever he wishes. In those countries where downloading is legal, it’s obviously legal to download and save copies from YouTube. In other counties it might also be.

          For you to seriously believe that any text that YouTube puts on their pages equals law, well that would be both ignorance and inability to think logically.

        • stopping by

          Dudes… which part of ‘copyright’ don’t you get?

          The word itself really says it all, doesn’t it?

          If you for instance own a song, then you – and nobody else – have the RIGHT to COPY that song, until you explicitely permit others to reproduce it in one or more specific ways.

          This right is automatically granted to you by Copyright Law of your country, if your country is a member of the Berne Union. It is important to understand that while specific elements such as fair use may differ sligthly from state to state, the basic rules are exactly the same in all member countries:

          You wrote the song?

          You – and you alone – decide who’s allowed to copy it…

        • Fredrika

          > “Dudes… which part of ‘copyright’ don’t you get?”

          None. But definitely the parts that you don’t get.

          > “The word itself really says it all, doesn’t it?”

          It does not. The word itself does not say what the copyright monopoly in different countries regulate.

          > “If you for instance own a song..”

          Again displaying your ignorance. You can not own a song. You can only own property. Property is something that has an inherent scarcity. An intellectual work does not constitute property. It can not be owned, sold or bought.

          What can be owned is the copyright monopoly, which is a piece of intangible property, with inherent scarcity. But owning a copyright monopoly does not equal owning a song.

          > “..then you – and nobody else – have the RIGHT to COPY that song, until you explicitely permit others to reproduce it in one or more specific ways.”

          No. The copyright monopoly does not privilege the copyright holder with such absolute control in any country in the world.

          > “This right is automatically granted to you by Copyright Law of your country, if your country is a member of the Berne Union.”

          No. The copyright law of one’s country(not all countries in the world have such) privilege the copyright holder with some limited control. It does not necessarily privilege the copyright holder with control that forbids people from downloading copies from YouTube. There are many countries where it in fact does not, and i listed several such exceptions in the copyright monopoly in my previous comment.

          There are many countries where all non-profit filesharing is legal, both uploading and downloading, in such countries you are free to download copies from YouTube as much as you like, or even upload the latest Hollywood movie.

          There are even more countries where at least all downloading is legal, and again, in such countries you are free to download copies from wherever you like, including YouTube. And there are other exceptions in many countries, where downloading copies from YouTube is fully legal for other reasons, such as that all downloading is legal if YouYube has a right to send the information, and where the copyright law makes no exception between if the information is intended for cached streaming or downloading.

          > “It is important to understand that while specific elements such as fair use may differ sligthly from state to state, the basic rules are exactly the same in all member countries:”

          And in many countries in the world fair use equals downloading copies from YouTube regardless of what irrelevant texts they place on their pages.

          Please stop writing about issues you clearly know nothing about.

        • stopping by

          Fredrika,
          OK, I think I’m beginning to get you.

          The key to my understanding was your phrase: “An intellectual work does not constitute property.”

          Now, you’re definitely entitled to have that opinion.

          You just have to realize that you won’t be able to communicate with the rest of the world – the world outside your tribe – until you recognize that significant and growing parts of our global economy are based on IP products.

          But what I do know – perhaps you really don’t need or want to communicate with the real world…

        • Fredrika

          > “Now, you’re definitely entitled to have that opinion.”

          It is not an opinion. it is a fact, that an intellectual work does not constitute property. Property is something that has an inherent scarcity, and that can be owned, sold or bought, and which is regulated in the penal code. You can not do neither with an intellectual work, and use of an intellectual work is not regulated in the penal code, it is regulated through civil law.

          > “..until you recognize that significant and growing parts of our global economy are based on IP products.”

          The fact that some parts of the economy is based on what could be labelled as IP products, does not equal that an intellectual work constitutes property. The copyright monopoly is a piece of intangible property, the intellectual work is not.

          > “But what I do know – perhaps you really don’t need or want to communicate with the real world…”

          The fact that you display a huge amount of ignorance does not mean that others do. The fact that you’re unable to learn does not really concern me.

        • stopping by

          Frederika,
          I seriously don’t know what you mean by this:

          “The fact that some parts of the economy is based on what could be labelled as IP products, does not equal that an intellectual work constitutes property.”

          But let me try to translate.

          First you say: “Yes parts of the economy is based on what could be labelled as Intellectual Property products.”

          Then you go on to deny the very existence of the Intellectual Property that you just recognized…

          This is getting silly, eod.

        • har har

          @stopping by

          Your main problem (among others, like saying clearly untrue things) is that you assume US legislation applies everywhere around the world.

          Guess what? It doesn’t.

    • stopping by

      How are ‘they’ forcing you to steal? Holding a gun to your head? Hm?

      • Fredrika

        > “How are ‘they’ forcing you to steal?”

        You seem ignorant. The act of manufacturing something with your own property, as people filesharing does, is never theft. This is a well known indisputable fact that can be verified in the law or a dictionary.

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  • Pirate

    Pirate reporting in for duty.

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    Pirate reporting for duty.

  • http://twitter.com/FreePSDFinder FreePSDFinder

    LOL! :D
    ISP’s are going to be out of business if they p*iss off their customers and also if they ban them from their services. hahahah.

  • Wildman99999

    I am so sick of the term “Pirate” I don’t raid peoples vessels and plunder booty. It’s sharing plain and simple, people are sick to death of being nickel and dimed into oblivion. We are sick of DRM in music and moves, we are sick of having to pay for a movie we already have owned a dozen times just because the media format changes.

    We are sick of games not working the way they are supposed to or at all. We are already getting ripped off in our country with our ISP’s now they want the very company we pay to use their services to monitor us?. Get fucked seriously. The day that I would go to fucking prison for downloading something on the internet is a cold day in fucking hell.

    • Someone

      Please see the post about the UK student, who is now being extradited to the United States to face copyright infringement charges and time in a US prison.

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  • Stellarmoig

    to be honest, I have downloaded lots of torrents, it was when I started to seed alot is when I got some copyright emails. After that point, my speed (not while utorrent was up) became SUPER slow and started going off in the middle of the night.

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  • micromachines

    -FOR MUSIC-
    1. get spotify
    2. get inverted microphone
    3. fuck you internet im goin solo
    -FOR TV-
    1. Hulu.com
    2. Real Player, or hypercam.
    -FOR MOVIES-
    1. The pira…. oh wai… fuck it im just gonna kill myself now.

    • Pirate

      They could get you for using stream services like Hulu, since you technically download parts of the show/movies you are watching while you stream (as a buffer) to temp folder in chunks (Hulu does 5 minute chunks for buffer, so each time you get a chunk 5 minutes worth of the show/movie are written onto your HDD temp folder).

  • LinuxUser

    I can’t wait until I get notices and threatened with lawsuits for torrenting Linux distros and super seeding them like crazy.

  • JoeBlow

    After reading this I can’t see how we’re not losing the battle, as I see it we’re done for! Admit it they’re winning and what is Anon doing just shutting down sites for an hour or so.

    • Pirate

      They might win the battle, but we will win the war.

    • MadAsASnake

      Actually, they are not winning. They are loosing. This is why we see the constant flow of increasingly repressive, illjudged and unscrutinised legislation being shoved through back doors and so around the worrld.

    • Fredrika

      > “After reading this I can’t see how we’re not losing the battle, as I see it we’re done for!”

      This is because of ignorance. In fact, they have already lost, and piracy won a victory that’s impossible to stop. Please read up on F2F filesharing, such as OneSwarm. Bittorrent might be relegated to a graveyard, as with Napster, Kazaa, Limewire and whatever old protocols that previously was the most used, but the next evolution in filesharing, as in F2F, is unstoppable, offers superior range of content, and is something that no law or judicial system can touch.

      • stopping by

        You could be the next Iraqi Information Minister… :)

        • Fredrika

          > “You could be the next Iraqi Information Minister… :)”

          Why are you resorting to personal attacks, and Ad Hominem rhetoric’s? That’s a logical fallacy, and a failed argument.

          However, is it your ignorance shining through again? There is indeed something called F2F, and it’s impossible to stop without shutting down Internet all together. It’s also impossible for rights owners to go after, since it only exchanges information encrypted between trusted friends. It works very well in reality, you should try it.

        • stopping by

          Sorry, I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings. :) Honestly – I don’t believe in name calling, so that was my mistake.

          But you have to admit it’s funny to claim victory for the pirates while their entire world is falling apart, literally, and fast…

        • Fredrika

          > “Sorry, I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings. :)”

          Who said you did such? Rest assured, you do not have the intellectual capability to hurt my feelings.

          > “Honestly – I don’t believe in name calling, so that was my mistake.”

          You seem to make quite a few of those. Because of ignorance i assume?

          > “But you have to admit it’s funny to claim victory for the pirates while their entire world is falling apart, literally, and fast…”

          Which it isn’t. Nothing is falling apart. Again, is that ignorance talking?

          The fact that one filesharing protocol possibly suffers a setback, such as Napster did, did that mean that filesharing suffered? No, in reality it did not, because the next evolution in filesharing took over, and as a result filesharing grew and became more popular and offred more content and even better service.

          That scenario will happen again if bittorrent suffers any serious setbacks. The next step in filesharing is already ready to take over, and it’s a protocol that can not be stopped on a technical level. It’s a protocol that right holder’s can’t go after, because there is no open end where you can enter and attack legally. And it’s a protocol that will have a bigger range of content than ever before.

          Would you like me to help you install the necessary software, and help you set it up with your friends, so you can try it for yourself? Or are you going to continue to speak out of ignorance, spreading false propaganda.

        • stopping by

          Fredrika,
          Oh please – take a look at all the blogs, pirates are panicking all over the place…

        • Fredrika

          Is it because of ignorance that you do not know how to post an answer to me as a reply to me? Do not expect anyone to discover your answers when you post them as replies to yourself, little less any answer.

          > “Oh please – take a look at all the blogs, pirates are panicking all over the place…”

          Can you please provide a link for such a blog? Secondly, that some blog owner is panicking does not mean that his panic is justified. In reality, it most certainly is not.

        • Tom

          @Fredrika
          What is this protocol and why can’t it be stopped. I mean you’ll be amazing at what you can lock down at the ISP level and what you can discover about individual user just by looking at their traffic logs. Pirates are pretty easy to spot here, mostly because tend to download a hell of a lot more than the average user.

          I think that you last fight will occur when further rules and regulation are pushed onto the ISPs. We are seeing this beginning now. When that happens VPN’s, proxies, Tribler or and other download client won’t save you.

        • Fredrika

          > “@Fredrika”

          Please post answer directed at me as replies to my post, not someone else’s. Doing so, don’t expect the correct person to notice your reply, little less an answer.

          > “What is this protocol and why can’t it be stopped.”

          F2F. Because it is decentralized, encrypted and can run on port 80 as default. It is impossible to tell apart from normal web surfing to encrypted sites such as your bank, or a high bandwidth video conference with your attorney.

          > “I mean you’ll be amazing at what you can lock down at the ISP level and what you can discover about individual user just by looking at their traffic logs.”

          No, i will not be amazed by such, since i already have knowledge about that. I’m also quite well aware of the fact that ISP’s, at least in EU, are strictly forbidden to look at most of the available data regarding a single user.

          > “Pirates are pretty easy to spot here, mostly because tend to download a hell of a lot more than the average user.”

          Heavy traffic use does not equal piracy.

          > “I think that you last fight will occur when further rules and regulation are pushed onto the ISPs. We are seeing this beginning now.”

          Are we? This is news to me. Were? Last time i looked we have a mere conduit policy in the western civilization, and ISP’s are not allowed to spy on it’s customers traffic, at least not in EU.

        • stopping by

          Frederica,
          Let me understand this… you don’t see pirates whining & panicking all over torrentfreak, arstechnica and techdirt? :)

          Personally, I haven’t seen so much paranoia for years, and it’s getting worse day by day. Minute by minute, almost…

        • Fredrika

          > “Let me understand this… you don’t see pirates whining & panicking all over torrentfreak, arstechnica and techdirt?”

          You were asked to provide a link to a blog such as the one you previously described. You didn’t. Am i suppose to interpret that as that you now back down from your previous claim?

          Secondly, that some alleged pirates complain in comments on those sites does not mean that any panic exists, or more importantly, that any reason for such panic exists. It could simply be ignorance, something which you display a load of.

        • Anyone

          @Fredrika
          he cannot respond to you directly since disqus doesn’t allow any more levels

          so at least in that regard he is not at fault ;)

        • Fredrika

          > “he cannot respond to you directly since disqus doesn’t allow any more levels”

          The limitation regarding how many levels of answers that is allowed is something that is actually set by Torrentfreak, not Disqus. Disqus offers the possibility of unlimited levels.

          Secondly, it’s always possible to answer to a reply placed to you, regardless of said limitations, if you post the reply through your Disqus Dashboard.

        • Tom

          @Fredrika

          >”Please post answer directed at me as replies to my post, not someone else’s. Doing so, don’t expect the correct person to notice your reply, little less an answer.”

          I thought that you were aware of the nuisances of this forum. Also, I would like to keep my posts within the thread that it related to rather than hunting down one of your unrelated posts to reply to.

          >”F2F. Because it is decentralized, encrypted and can run on port 80 as default. It is impossible to tell apart from normal web surfing to encrypted sites such as your bank, or a high bandwidth video conference with your attorney.”

          It would be pretty easy to tell that one is pirating on that port once the protocol becomes public knowledge. Also when ISP’s notice a massive increase in traffic along that port on you account or the accounts of a thousand other customers.

          >”No, i will not be amazed by such, since i already have knowledge about that. I’m also quite well aware of the fact that ISP’s, at least in EU, are strictly forbidden to look at most of the available data regarding a single user.”

          To my knowledge, ISP’s are forbidden to perform packet inspection. This Doesn’t mean that they can’t look at usage stats. But, please, do please provide a link if I’m wrong. Even if I am incorrect, the combined usage stats will paint a great picture of what needs to be locked down. They could also use a rule filter that creates a list of customers that meet certain criteria.

          “Heavy traffic use does not equal piracy.”

          In most cases it does. Also comparing this traffic with the fact that they are sitting behind a VPN, and have heavy traffic in both directions and perhaps you have grounds to send a concerning letter to customer or, perhaps if by then the law allows, inform the authorities.

          > “Are we? This is news to me. Were? Last time i looked we have a mere conduit policy in the western civilization, and ISP’s are not allowed to spy on it’s customers traffic, at least not in EU.”

          None of what I have been saying requires packet inspection. I believe that much of this is what ISP’s are currently doing. I’m sure that you have heard about ISP’s sending warning letters to pirates. When more pirates begin to use a particular technology be it VPN/ Proxies or a new peer-to-peer client it will become even more obvious that piracy activities are occurring. The more popular a technology becomes the more easy it will be to detect and shut down at the ISP level.

          If the law currently forbids ISP’s from doing any of this can you provide me with a link that explains this? Also as I’ve said above a rule filter will circumvent any current anti-spying EU law.

        • Fredrika

          > “I thought that you were aware of the nuisances of this forum.”

          It is always possible to reply in the exact correct place to the correct person through the Disqus Dashboard.

          > “It would be pretty easy to tell that one is pirating on that port once the protocol becomes public knowledge.

          No. You do not seem to understand what encrypted means. If it is encrypted the ISP can never see anything else than that traffic flows. They can not see what type of traffic, nor it’s content.

          > “Also when ISP’s notice a massive increase in traffic along that port on you account or the accounts of a thousand other customers.”

          When ISP’s notice a increase in traffic their only job is to do nothing, other than to make sure their backbone can handle it.

          > “To my knowledge, ISP’s are forbidden to perform packet inspection.”

          Which is the only way to see what files are sent. Without knowing what files are sent, it’s impossible to claim piracy.

          > “Even if I am incorrect, the combined usage stats will paint a great picture of what needs to be locked down.”

          It does not, since heavy traffic usage is not forbidden or anything strange.

          > “They could also use a rule filter that creates a list of customers that meet certain criteria.”

          How ignorant are you? Why should any ISP filter out customers that use heavy traffic? There’s nothing wrong with traffic usage, with encrypted traffic, or use of certain ports.

          >> “Heavy traffic use does not equal piracy.”

          > “In most cases it does.”

          Which is irrelevant. You can not accuse a customer of piracy because of heavy use if traffic. Doing so would be libel.

          > “Also comparing this traffic with the fact that they are sitting behind a VPN, and have heavy traffic in both directions and perhaps you have grounds to send a concerning letter to customer or, perhaps if by then the law allows, inform the authorities.”

          No, you most certainly do not have any grounds for doing anything, since use of VPN and heavy traffic usage is in no way wrong.

          But i find it most interesting that you find that customers using their bandwidth for private communication, and their desire to protect their private communication, equals that people should be reported to the authorities, to protect a legislative monopoly and the profit of some weak entrepreneurs that can’t handle themselves on the free market. Are you aware of the fact that what you advocate is text book fascism?

          > “None of what I have been saying requires packet inspection.”

          The only way to discover piracy is through DPI. Without DPI there’s nothing more then guessing.

          > “I believe that much of this is what ISP’s are currently doing.”

          Serious ISP’s with integrity aren’t doing anything, other than their job, which is to transport customers traffic to where they wish for it to be transported.

          > “I’m sure that you have heard about ISP’s sending warning letters to pirates.”

          Yes, in some countries ISP’s has broken customer confidentiality in that way, and it’s exclusively based on infringement claims sent in by rights holders.

          > “When more pirates begin to use a particular technology be it VPN/ Proxies or a new peer-to-peer client it will become even more obvious that piracy activities are occurring.”

          It will be obvious that private communication is going on, private as in something that the ISP doesn’t have anything to do with.

          > “The more popular a technology becomes the more easy it will be to detect and shut down at the ISP level.”

          In reality, no. An encrypted technique that the ISP is 100% incapable of telling apart from an encrypted connection to one’s bank, or an encrypted high bandwidth video conference with one’s doctor or attorney, or cam sex with one’s partner, is impossible to shut down at an ISP level. If you believe otherwise it’s evident that your ignorance on this issue is to high for you to continue to discuss it.

          > “If the law currently forbids ISP’s from doing any of this can you provide me with a link that explains this?”

          Do you really need a link to understand the fact that ISP’s aren’t the police and aren’t interested in playing police to identify alleged copyright infringements?

          > “Also as I’ve said above a rule filter will circumvent any current anti-spying EU law.”

          A rule filter will not work on encrypted traffic that’s impossible to tell apart from identical legitimate traffic.

        • Tom

          “No. You do not seem to understand what encrypted means. If it is encrypted the ISP can never see anything else than that traffic flows. They can not see what type of traffic, nor it’s content.”

          I was talking about the volume of traffic on that particular port. I was not in any way talking about the content of that traffic. Encrypted or not, port 80 will light up like a Christmas tree.

          “When ISP’s notice a increase in traffic their only job is to do nothing, other than to make sure their backbone can handle it.”

          According to this article ISP’s are being given new responsibilities. I’m sure more will follow in the future.

          “How ignorant are you? Why should any ISP filter out customers that use heavy traffic? There’s nothing wrong with traffic usage, with encrypted traffic, or use of certain ports.”

          I am many things but ignorant certainly isn’t one of them . If you recall I said “meet certain criteria”. I mean, you did quote actually quote that.

          “Which is the only way to see what files are sent. Without knowing what files are sent, it’s impossible to claim piracy.”

          It’s possible to cause a high level of probability necessary to warrant further investigation or to get the authorities involved.

          “It does not, since heavy traffic usage is not forbidden or anything strange.”

          Usage stats aren’t only concerned with the level of traffic and, as I’ve said before, you can obtaining a massive amount of information about pirates habits without interfering with their privacy.

          “Which is irrelevant. You can not accuse a customer of piracy because of heavy use if traffic. Doing so would be libel.”

          But you can, Flag their account and begin further investigations.

          “No, you most certainly do not have any grounds for doing anything, since use of VPN and heavy traffic usage is in no way wrong.

          But i find it most interesting that you find that customers using their bandwidth for private communication, and their desire to protect their private communication,”

          They will have grounds for further investigations, the grounds to flag your account as suspicious and they have the grounds to contact the authorities if probability is high. They just don’t do it now because there are no laws or incentives in place that tell them to (if we ignore this article that is.. oh and a few previous ones). But the climate regarding this issue is changing fast.

          “to protect a legislative monopoly and the profit of some weak entrepreneurs that can’t handle themselves on the free market. Are you aware of the fact that what you advocate is text book fascism?”

          Piracy/copyright infringement has been a crime for some time now. Fascism has nothing to do with this.

          “The only way to discover piracy is through DPI. Without DPI there’s nothing more then guessing.”

          Guessing sounds so unprofessional. I prefer probability analysis.

          “Serious ISP’s with integrity aren’t doing anything, other than their job, which is to transport customers traffic to where they wish for it to be transported.”

          According to this article and several others I’ve read in the past three or so months. Times are changing.

          This only happened recently.
          http://torrentfreak.com/uk-file-sharers-face-disconnections-after-appeal-court-ruling-120306/

          I’ll respond to the remainder of your points some other time.

        • Fredrika

          > “I was talking about the volume of traffic on that particular port. I was not in any way talking about the content of that traffic. Encrypted or not, port 80 will light up like a Christmas tree.”

          In reality, port 80 is already lit up like Christmas tree.

          > “According to this article ISP’s are being given new responsibilities.”

          In this article, some weak ISP’s that show no integrity whatsoever, chose of their own free will to start breaching their customers confidentiality. But this is in the US.

          In reality, and the rest of the world, the ISP’s responsibility when traffic usage goes up is one thing, to make sure their backbone can handle it. Secondly, what this article describes does nothing against F2F, and encrypted communications.

          > “I’m sure more will follow in the future.”

          Which has no relevance for the next evolution in filesharing, as in F2F.

          > “It’s possible to cause a high level of probability necessary to warrant further investigation or to get the authorities involved.”

          No, it is not, since there is nothing strange with high traffic usage or encrypted private communication.

          > “Usage stats aren’t only concerned with the level of traffic and, as I’ve said before, you can obtaining a massive amount of information about pirates habits without interfering with their privacy.”

          No you can not when it comes to F2F, again your technical ignorance shines through. You see one thing, large amount of traffic in private communication., which is completely legitimate.

          > “But you can, Flag their account and begin further investigations.”

          No you can not, again that would be forbidden by privacy law. There’s no reason whatsoever to flag a customer that does nothing other than use traffic for private communication, which is a completely legitimate behaviour.

          > “They will have grounds for further investigations, the grounds to flag your account as suspicious and they have the grounds to contact the authorities if probability is high.”

          They have no grounds whatsoever for further investigation, just because hundreds of millions of customers do nothing other then use traffic for private communication. You seem to have a serious problem understanding that private communication is nothing suspicious.

          > “They just don’t do it now because there are no laws or incentives in place that tell them to (if we ignore this article that is.. oh and a few previous ones). But the climate regarding this issue is changing fast.”

          Which again is irrelevant for F2F.

          > “Piracy/copyright infringement has been a crime for some time now. Fascism has nothing to do with this.”

          That it is a crime is no argument for why laws should change to stop it. Most crimes in society takes place in people’s private homes, and that has always been the case, but we do not advocate that people’s right to a private life should be interfered with, thorugh analysis, monitoring, and breach if confidentiality, to stop those crimes.

          Arguing that customers private communication, which is a human right, should all of a sudden be monitored, analysed, filtered, reported and interfered with, to protect a legislative monopoly which weak entrepreneurs can’t do without is indeed fascism. No evidence supports the thesis that piracy is a problem to society, culture or creators, so it’s nothing that needs to be addressed in the first place.

          The only party that seems to have a problem with it are those weak entrepreneurs, who refuse to operate on the free market, and interfering with people’s private lives and private communication, to protect weak entrepreneurs is by the word’s exact definition text book fascism.

          > “Guessing sounds so unprofessional. I prefer probability analysis.”

          That would be guessing. In reality, we do not monitor people who are not suspected of any crime, to see if their behaviour can be guessed to be unlawful, through probability analysis.

          > “According to this article and several others I’ve read in the past three or so months. Times are changing.”

          This article is obviously not about serious ISP’s with any form on integrity, nor is the other one you referred to.

        • Tom

          “In reality, port 80 is already lit up like Christmas tree.”

          You don’t say…. I’m guessing that’s it’s common to get say 50GB or more going though that port in say a week or so. Nope not gonna cause any suspicion whatsoever…. “Oh.. Look boss a massive spike in traffic through port 80.. the traffic has increased by 10000% above the usual monthly figures and it appears to be occurring on numerous accounts. What could it be??? don’t suppose it’s that new F2F.. nah……. don’t be stupid… that can’t be detected…. *chuckle*.

        • Tom

          oops… when I mentioned Packet inspection I meant Deep packet inspection.

      • Tom

        Guess I found a great place to reply to you after all.

        In addition to my last post. The funny thing about all off this is that by using a VPN a pirate or pirates (depending on the law) will be even easier to spot by an ISP as most of their traffic would be following within a particular IP subnet.

        • Fredrika

          > “The funny thing about all off this is that by using a VPN a pirate or pirates (depending on the law) will be even easier to spot by an ISP as most of their traffic would be following within a particular IP subnet.”

          It will not. Use of a VPN is a great tool to keep one’s private communication private, and an ISP has absolutely nothing to do with their customers private communication. That customers wish to keep their private communication private and protected does in no way equal piracy, and ISP’s have no reasons whatsoever to do anything about their customers private communication.

          You seem to have a problem with private communication, which is a human right?

        • Tom

          I don’t have an issue at all with private communications. I’m simply saying that as far as ISP’s are concerned, pirates stick out like a sore thumb. If the ISPs are forced to take more anti-piracy measures, which could easily occur, it would be extremely easy for them to spot pirating activities without having to breach privacy.

        • Fredrika

          > “I don’t have an issue at all with private communications.”

          Then why do you advocate that private communications should be monitored, analysed, filtered and reported to the authorities, to fight something that no scientific evidence says even is a problem in the first place??

          > “I’m simply saying that as far as ISP’s are concerned, pirates stick out like a sore thumb.”

          They do not. ISP’s has no problems with pirates, they have problems with customers not paying their bills. Piracy is a non-issue to distributors of packages, whether were talking about the post office or ISP’s. It’s simply none of their business, and it’s no problem to them.

          > “If the ISPs are forced to take more anti-piracy measures, which could easily occur..”

          It can not easily occur. EU law strictly forbids it. Mere conduit is something that exists for a very thought through reason.

          > “..it would be extremely easy for them to spot pirating activities without having to breach privacy.”

          Again your technical ignorance shines through. In reality, it’s technically impossible for them to do that. They can never see what customers do in private encrypted communication. and it’s none of their business.

          Again, you most certainly seem to have a problem with private communication. I understand you do not appreciate human rights standing in the way of weak entrepreneurs inability to profit without a monopoly. As such, you are also against the free market.

      • Tom

        “In reality, no. An encrypted technique that the ISP is 100% incapable of telling apart from an encrypted connection to one’s bank, or an encrypted high bandwidth video conference with one’s doctor or attorney, or cam sex with one’s partner, is impossible to shut down at an ISP level. If you believe otherwise it’s evident that your ignorance on this issue is to high for you to continue to discuss it.”

        You must realise that encrypted or not you can gain a lot of information about inbound and outbound traffic by looking at the amount of data that was transferred, the duration of the transfer, the destination IP address and ports used and how often and at what times these transfers occur etc. This is more than enough data to determine to a degree who may or may not be a pirate. The next steps are warning or investigations

        “Do you really need a link to understand the fact that ISP’s aren’t the police and aren’t interested in playing police to identify alleged copyright infringements?”

        Yes. Can you please provide me with a link.

        “A rule filter will not work on encrypted traffic that’s impossible to tell apart from identical legitimate traffic.”

        The IP header isn’t encrypted and inspecting it isn’t considered DPI. You could easily create a rule filter based on usage stats and the information obtained from the IP header. Encrypted? so what.

        • Fredrika

          > “You must realise that encrypted or not you can gain a lot of information about inbound and outbound traffic by looking at the amount of data that was transferred, the duration of the transfer, the destination IP address and ports used and how often and at what times these transfers occur etc.”

          If you believe that ISP’s have the technical ability or manpower to performs such analysis of 50% of their customers, your ignorance again shines through. Secondly, there’s no reason to perform such analysis of customers private communication.

          > “This is more than enough data to determine to a degree who may or may not be a pirate.”

          No, it is not. Nothing of what you described indicates a pirate, it indicates a customer that’s engaged in private communication.

          > “The next steps are warning or investigations”

          Warning for what? Doing nothing illegitimate? Investigate 50% of the subscribers? In reality, where the rest of us live, society has real problems, this is not one of them, that warrants any investigation whatsoever.

          > “Yes. Can you please provide me with a link.”

          If you seriously are so ignorant, that you don’t understand that ISP’s are not the police, and that they have no interest in being a police, then we have reached a wall. ISP’s only interest is to sell connections in return for revenues. Going after a few hundreds of millions of pirates is not in their interest in any way.

          > “´The IP header isn’t encrypted and inspecting it isn’t considered DPI. You could easily create a rule filter based on usage stats and the information obtained from the IP header. Encrypted? so what.”

          Again your technical ignorance shines through. An IP-header tells you nothing about what traffic that is transported in private encrypted communication. There’s no reason whatsoever to in any way interfere with customers fully legitimate private encrypted communication, regardless of usage stats or anything else.

          What you suggest is that people should simply not be allowed to communicate with each other, in encrypted traffic heavy private communication, because someone believes it could be piracy, that possibly causes harm to some weak entrepreneurs that can not handle themselves on the free market.

          And you do not understand that you advocate fascism? Are you truly that ignorant?

          In reality, it’s a human right to perform private encrypted communication with other people, regardless of traffic pattern, traffic usage or any other stats. It is not a problem, that people do that, that’s needs to be addressed. Because of §30 in the human rights, this private communication can not be interfered with in any way, to protect any copyright monopoly.

          But you don’t care about human rights either maybe?

        • Tom

          “If you believe that ISP’s have the technical ability or manpower to performs such analysis of 50% of their customers, your ignorance again shines through. Secondly, there’s no reason to perform such analysis of customers private communication.”

          Wow, if you keep on calling me ignorant I might actually start believing it. I’ve been “extremely” kind to you.

          Yes they have the technical ability. How much man power do you need to look at some automated reports?

          Anyways it’s obvious that you are either ignoring my points or are unable to understand them. We’ll leave it at that. It’s been interesting.

        • Fredrika

          > “Wow, if you keep on calling me ignorant I might actually start believing it.”

          Maybe you should? Based on all the incorrect claims you have produced regarding property, copyright, law and ISP’s, you come of as nothing but ignorant.

          > “I’ve been “extremely” kind to you.”

          Have you now? So you didn’t resort to sexist personal attacks yesterday, asking me if it was that time of the month, and you didn’t ask me if my brain was able to think beyond law for one second, when law was indeed the very required premiss for the use of language we discussed.

          If continuously resorting to personal attacks and logical fallacies is kind in your book, then again your ignorance shines through, regarding how to behave in a debate.

          > “Yes they have the technical ability.”

          No, they do not. An ISP’s system is built to perform one task and one task only, to transport packages from point A to point B. That’s it.

          It is not built to in real time monitor all their customers traffic, and analyse every transferred byte every second against certain criteria or flags regarding traffic volume, port use, headers, time of transfer for individual connection and whatnot. The systems simply can’t do that, neither technically, nor processor power wise. The only thing their system can do automatically is count traffic volume for all individual customers, but as has been explained to you, traffic use does never ever indicate piracy. It indicates one thing, that a customer uses his connection for connecting to Internet in a fashion that he desires, for private communication, which is nobody else’s business but his.

          > “How much man power do you need to look at some automated reports?”

          If we for a second disregard the fact that ISP’s systems can produce such reports with analysis of all customers traffic in real time matched against different criterias, if they could, the report would be reporting over half of their customers. Filesharing is not something that only a few performs, it is something that 30-60% of the customers perform on a regular basis, and with every change in filesharing technology in the past, the number of pirates has grown every time, because the new P2P-technology has been better than the last one, so rest assured, that when F2F goes live on a large scale, with all it’s advantages, the number of pirates will increase even further.

          And rest most assured, no ISP has the manpower to go over reports regarding half their customer base’s use of connection, and to subjectively decide whether or not it warrants further investigation.

          Also, rest assured that no ISP employee would want such a job, because they would immediately become paranoid over what their customers are doing, and they would have to do nothing else than report the very persons that pay their salaries.

          > “Anyways it’s obvious that you are either ignoring my points or are unable to understand them.”

          I most certainly understand them, and i also understand that they are not valid or reality based, they are based on lies or your wishes, regarding how things should be. They are not factual, and they are not possible to perform in reality.

          Secondly, regarding ignoring points, would you like me to make you a list of all the incorrect claims you’ve made over the last few days, which i have addressed, and explained to you, were after you then immediately went quiet, no longer being able to stand behind your previous claim or argument.

          That would be quite a few, regarding your inability to understand the concept of property, your inability to not confuse an intellectual work with a physical copy as in property, or your inability to understand that what people filesharing does is indeed manufacturing something, with their own property that they own, or the fact that there actually isn’t a problem with piracy, that’s needs to be addressed in the first place, or the fact that you advocate against human rights as in private unmonitored communication, or that you don’t seem to understand which party in society that is the police, and that you advocate private policing, to protect weak failed entrepreneurs that can’t operate on the free market, and that you seem to be against the free market, possibly advocating communism, or your inability to understand that people have never paid for any right to enjoy and use products, or your inability to understand that even 100% of the population resorting to filesharing in no way would necessarily equal that no revenues would fine their way to the creators, or your inability to understand how dictionaries work.

          So if you really want to talk about ignoring points, lets start with why you put forward claim after claim, which get refuted or proven wrong, and then you always seem to have nothing more to say, being completely unable to actually argue in a sustainable way for the points you previously tried to make.

          > “It’s been interesting.”

          It has not. Every single claim you have put forward have been put forward so many times before by ignorant copyright trolls, and they have been refuted and proven wrong over and over again, so that you find it meaningful to again put all those failed arguments forward, is in no way interesting. Meaningless is the word your looking for.

          > “You don’t say…. I’m guessing that’s it’s common to get say 50GB or more going though that port in say a week or so. Nope not gonna cause any suspicion whatsoever…. “Oh.. Look boss a massive spike in traffic through port 80.. the traffic has increased by 10000% above the usual monthly figures and it appears to be occurring on numerous accounts. What could it be??? don’t suppose it’s that new F2F.. nah……. don’t be stupid… that can’t be detected…. *chuckle*.”

          In reality, where the rest of us lives, port 80 accounts for over a third of all Internet traffic today thanks to web browsing, Youtube and other streaming services, and bitlockers, so if all P2P traffic all of sudden moved to port 80, the increase wouldn’t be any higher than 100-200%, which is no were near the 10000% you ignorantly claimed, so again your claim that ISP’s would be able to identify piracy when the masses switch to F2F was false.

          How can you keep a straight face when you claim to not be ignorant is beyond me.

        • Tom

          “Maybe you should? Based on all the incorrect claims you have produced regarding property, copyright, law and ISP’s, you come of as nothing but ignorant.”

          That is quite funny coming from you :)

          “Have you now? So you didn’t resort to sexist personal attacks yesterday, asking me if it was that time of the month, and you didn’t ask me if my brain was able to think beyond law for one second, when law was indeed the very required premiss for the use of language we discussed.”

          Oooohhh touchie… That was me being kind. Seriously, I’ve been holding my tongue thought out this whole exchange.

          “If continuously resorting to personal attacks and logical fallacies is kind in your book, then again your ignorance shines through, regarding how to behave in a debate.”

          Continuously. That’s a slight exaggeration isn’t it?

          “No, they do not. An ISP’s system is built to perform one task and one task only, to transport packages from point A to point B. That’s it.”

          And I’m the one who is supposed to be ignorant?

          “It is not built to in real time monitor all their customers traffic, and analyse every transferred byte every second against certain criteria or flags regarding traffic volume, port use, headers, time of transfer for individual connection and whatnot. The systems simply can’t do that, neither technically, nor processor power wise.”

          It’s almost like you’ve never heard of ISPs keeping logs.

          ” traffic use does never ever indicate piracy. It indicates one thing, that a customer uses his connection for connecting to Internet in a fashion that he desires, for private communication, which is nobody else’s business but his.”

          Are pirates on average more likely to download and upload more than the average user? Are pirates more like to try to hide there activities behind a VPN? I guess it’s more a common sense question really. Not saying that they can do anything about that yet. But this whole discussion was about what could occur in the future.

          “If we for a second disregard the fact that ISP’s systems can produce such reports with analysis of all customers traffic in real time matched against different criterias, if they could, the report would be reporting over half of their customers.

          Maybe so. But I’m guessing that it would be better to go after the worse offenders and just move down the list. The publicity should do the rest.

          “Filesharing is not something that only a few performs, it is something that 30-60% of the customers perform on a regular basis.”

          I’ve got a funny feeling that you won’t be backing up those stats, so I’m guessing that it would be rather pointless asking for even a tiny bit of evidence. It’s not that I don’t believe you it’s just that you tend to make a lot of statements without providing any evidence for them. Either way, no one really cares about the small fry it’s the heavy offenders that are the real targets.

          “with every change in filesharing technology in the past, the number of pirates has grown every time, because the new P2P-technology has been better than the last one, so rest assured, that when F2F goes live on a large scale, with all it’s advantages, the number of pirates will increase even further.”

          Until more responsibility is moved over to the ISP that is. This is the trend that we are currently seeing. And it has been a very bumpy year.

          “I most certainly understand them, and i also understand that they are not valid or reality based.

          If this is the case, you’re doing a great impression of not understanding them.

          “They are based on lies or your wishes, regarding how things should be. They are not factual, and they are not possible to perform in reality.”

          As you are obviously unaware that ISPs keep logs all of what I’ve said must seem pretty impossible to you.

          I feel like giving you a hug and patting you on the head.

          “Secondly, regarding ignoring points, would you like me to make you a list of all the incorrect claims you’ve made over the last few days, which i have addressed, and explained to you, were after you then immediately went quiet, no longer being able to stand behind your previous claim or argument.”

          Hahaha.. Went quiet? Seriously, you really should get over yourself. In all honesty, absolutely nothing you have said has posed a challenge to me in the slightest.

          “That would be quite a few, regarding your inability to understand the concept of property, your inability to not confuse an intellectual work with a physical copy as in property, or your inability to understand that what people filesharing does is indeed manufacturing something, with their own property that they own, or the fact that there actually isn’t a problem with piracy, that’s needs to be addressed in the first place, or the fact that you advocate against human rights as in private unmonitored communication, or that you don’t seem to understand which party in society that is the police, and that you advocate private policing, to protect weak failed entrepreneurs that can’t operate on the free market, and that you seem to be against the free market, possibly advocating communism, or your inability to understand that people have never paid for any right to enjoy and use products, or your inability to understand that even 100% of the population resorting to filesharing in no way would necessarily equal that no revenues would fine their way to the creators, or your inability to understand how dictionaries work.”

          This is what your mind looks like on drugs…..

          “It has not. Every single claim you have put forward have been put forward so many times before by ignorant copyright trolls, and they have been refuted and proven wrong over and over again, so that you find it meaningful to again put all those failed arguments forward, is in no way interesting. Meaningless is the word your looking for.”

          Wait… sorry had a phone call… what was that?

          “In reality, where the rest of us lives, port 80 accounts for over a third of all Internet traffic today thanks to web browsing, Youtube and other streaming services, and bitlockers, so if all P2P traffic all of sudden moved to port 80, the increase wouldn’t be any higher than 100-200%, which is no were near the 10000% you ignorantly claimed, so again your claim that ISP’s would be able to identify piracy when the masses switch to F2F was false.”

          My statement was in jest.. I’m sorry that you didn’t get that. Either way I’m sure that it would be much higher than 200%. Well, at least it was for me when I was a pirate.

          “How can you keep a straight face when you claim to not be ignorant is beyond me.”

          Considering the amount of things that you have demonstrated are beyond you, I’m really not all that surprised.

        • Fredrika

          > “Oooohhh touchie…”

          I’n not touchie, i just clarified which party it is that has resorted to personal attacks, both sexist such, and otherwise.

          > “It’s almost like you’ve never heard of ISPs keeping logs.”

          There’s a difference between keeping logs, of various data, which most IPS’s do not do since they have no reason to, and in real time analysing every single encrypted byte from every single customer, against certain criteria, to identify suspected piracy in private communication, and at the same time not get the results mixed up with traffic heavy encrypted non-piracy private communication. The latter is indeed impossible for an ISP’s system and resources to perform.

          > “Are pirates on average more likely to download and upload more than the average user? Are pirates more like to try to hide there activities behind a VPN? I guess it’s more a common sense question really. Not saying that they can do anything about that yet. But this whole discussion was about what could occur in the future.”

          No it is not. It is about you claiming that guessing based on statistical probability equals piracy or suspicion of piracy. It does not.

          I guess i have to simplify it for you even further.

          Person A, a pirate, pushes 500GB of data through F2F filesharing. Copyrighted media that is illegal to fileshare.

          Person B, a non-pirate, pushes 500GB of data through F2F filesharing. Copyrighted media that is fully legal to fileshare.

          (And let’s not forget that the percentage of copyrighted works that are legal to fileshare continuously grows every day, so person B is someone that will become more and more usual in the future.)

          These two individual’s encrypted traffic would look identical to the outside world. There would be no way of telling them apart.

          Statistically you could guess that there exists more person A than B, but that’s it. Statistical guessing does not equal that an ISP can accuse someone of being a pirate based on the data that’s possible to obtain, and it does not equal reasonable cause for the police, which is required to perform further investigation.

          > “Maybe so. But I’m guessing that it would be better to go after the worse offenders and just move down the list. The publicity should do the rest.”

          And this is again where you do not understand F2F. All users will produce the identical type and volume of encrypted traffic. You can not tell apart which party that was the original source, and you can not tell apart which one that actually performs the largest amount of piracy, and could be considered the worst offender, from the perfectly legal heavy traffic F2F-user.

          > “Either way, no one really cares about the small fry it’s the heavy offenders that are the real targets.”

          Which you will not be able to identify. You can not tell them apart from perfectly legal heavy use of F2F.

          > “Until more responsibility is moved over to the ISP that is.”

          No. Your belief that dismantling mere conduit and putting policing responsibilities on a party that isn’t a police, would reduce the amount of F2F-pirates, is not based on any facts. It is based on ignorance. ISP’s can never accuse a customer if being suspected of piracy, because he uses his connection for encrypted traffic heavy private communication, which is a human rights. Doing so would be libel. Nor can the actual police, since guessing based on statistical probability does not equal reasonable cause.

          > “This is the trend that we are currently seeing.”

          Your analysis of trends have no relevance, since you have misunderstood what’s technical possible to perform in the first place.

          > “As you are obviously unaware that ISPs keep logs..”

          Which i am not. Keeping logs of certain data was not what the discussion was about. Again with the straw-man arguments.

          > “Hahaha.. Went quiet? Seriously, you really should get over yourself. In all honesty, absolutely nothing you have said has posed a challenge to me in the slightest.”

          Yet you couldn’t argue against any of those listed argumentative threads, which you immediately dropped when your arguments were refuted.

          > “This is what your mind looks like on drugs…..”

          More personal attacks? Not, it’s the list that keeps on growing, when we look at what argumentative threads that you previously dropped out of, when your incorrect claims was refuted. Would you like me to make a more specific list, where i quote your initial claim regarding the listed argumentative threads, and my answer to those, and your immediate silence which followed in all those argumentative threads?

          > “Either way I’m sure that it would be much higher than 200%.”

          That’s because you deny how much traffic that exists today, and how much of it that already flows over port 80. Your initial claim that ISP’s would see a hysterical jump of traffic on port 80 when people switch to F2F was false.

          And btw, F2F is a perfectly legal filesharing technique, which does not indicate piracy, so there’s no reason for an ISP to try to identify use of F2F in the first place.

        • Tom

          Who said real time analysis is required? ISPs just need to run reports against their logs. Simple. I’ve said a million times that DPI is not required here so talking about encryption is irrelevant.

          If your tactic is to tire your opponent by constantly putting up straw men it’s working.

  • Retsupurae

    Can they catch someone using a proxy site?

  • TrollhatinLeatherneck

    Issuing DMCA warnings is supposed to be standard procedure. Warn the subscriber that his/her account is downloading copyright material. As many already know, for 2 years now porn producers and copyright troll lawyers have issued subpoenas and filed mass bittorrent copyright lawsuits (over 250,000 so far) without any warnings whatsoever. The numbers grow weekly. I have personally been targeted.

    I have read posts, many claiming to be innocent where the same troll has dismissed cases and then later refiled against the same individuals in a separate case. Many abuses of the court system and blatant disregard for individuals rights with poor evidence to back it up.

    A piece of Rauls latest post on dietrolldie.com:

    “Now this is not the sort of thing you see every day and it contains some golden nuggets, particularly the section where the Judge discusses an ex parte conference call she had with Plaintiff’s counsel, Mike Meier, to address ” …the Court’s concerns regarding privacy, joinder, and the potential for misidentification of defendants.” With respect to the misidentification issue the Opinion and Order reports that : ; Plaintiff’s counsel estimated that 30% of the names turned over by ISPs are not those of individuals who actually downloaded or shared copyrighted material.”

    Take a look here fightcopyrighttrolls.com also to see what kind of nasty shit these
    lowlife trolls have been up to. Very educational. Either Use a VPN/Private trackers or prepare to have your IP listed on a subpoena and then have your personal info handed over to fuckin trolls for extortion with threats of a Federal or State civil lawsuit.

    I am sure these sites will also help those up and coming future suits to be filed for our British file sharing friends (victims/defendants). All are welcome to discuss and I am sure sections of the blogs could be set up to track and support our overseas friends cases.

    My feelings from the Squidbillies theme for all you copyright trolls:

    My dreams are all dead and buried
    Sometimes I wish the sun would just explode
    When God comes and calls me to his kingdom
    I’ll take all you sons of bitches when I go

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  • Blahdurblee

    I am tired of these articles restating what we already know and failing to report the heart of the matter, which is to provide a list of participating ISPs and a list of non-participating ISPs. This needs to be compiled and distributed to the public so that participating ISPs can be boycotted.

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  • flesruoykcufog

    FILE SHARING IS IMPOSSIBLE TO STOP.

    ONCE A SINGLE FILE IS UPLOADED, MILLIONS/BILLIONS OF COPIES OF THE FILE ARE DISTRIBUTED TO THE ENTIRE WORLD, PLACES WHERE JURISDICTION LEGALITY BECOMES AN ISSUE, AND INVESTIGATIONAL INFORMATION CANNOT BE OBTAINED FOR USE BY THE PROSECUTION.

    SITES LIKE THE PIRATE BAY WILL NEVER BE WHOLLY DESTROYED, ONLY BANNED BY ISP’S IN DIFFERENT COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD. THEN PEOPLE WILL SIMPLY USE PROXY’S AND SIMILIAR MASKING AGENTS TO VISIT THE SITE AROUND THE ISP BLOCK.

    ISP’S CAN ONLY SEND A PRECAUTIONARY STATEMENT TO DL’ERS THAT THOSE WHO DO DOWNLOAD MATERIAL MAY/WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE,..WITH NO SPECIFIC THREAT TOWARDS ANY SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL.

    THIS IS THE SIMPLE FUTURE OF FILE SHARING. DONT LET ALL THIS NEW NEWS GET YOUR FEATHERS ALL RUFFLED, NOTHING CRAZY IS GONNA HAPPEN. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WILL BE A SLIGHT RISE IN YOUR INTERNET BILL FOR ALL THE WARNING LETTERS’ PAPER CONSUMPTION.

    ALL THE BEST,

    FLESRUOYKCUFOG

  • AnonymousPatriot

    ISPs in the US are being overwhelmed with subpoenas for subscriber information. They are having to commit manpower and hire 3rd party companies to handle all the paperwork that has to be done. They are losing money over it. The way I see it they can defend their subscribers or they can aid in their prosecution (or persecution). They dont want to lose subscribers and they dont want to lose money or be forced to deal with all the shit that is being thrust upon them.

    It seems as though they are taking a middle ground approach as they are already required by DMCA rules to warn subscribers and take action if violations continue.
    Sounds like the same old shit.

    • MadAsASnake

      And how accurately do you think these third parties are when it comes to tracing IP’s through systems never designed for that purpose?

      • AnonymousPatriot

        3rd party company only does the paperwork. Information is passed along to them from ISP. Lookup Nuestar.

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  • Genius plan

    Let me get this straight…if I download a crappy Hollywood movie and get banned from the internet for doing so, I’m then supposed to go out and buy the movie? That’s their plan to “recover” the “tens of billions” in “piracy losses” ?

    Bwahahahaha

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  • JJ

    You know something interesting I noticed? Almost everyone who comments on here uses proper punctuation and spelling. Very interesting when you compare this site to the comments section on CNN or YouTube. Shows that pirates are SMARTER and MORE EDUCATED than the RIAA/MPAA thinks we are.

    • Anonymous

      I expect many people here are from higher education and have well paid jobs often in the technology market. I can’t speak for everyone of course but that certainly covers me.

      This explains why it is a valid claim to say that we are their best customers. Like I have over 400 DVD movies here and I have sure spent a lot of money on many other kinds of media. They are now seeing none of my money during BLACK MARCH

      You can just say we are on the cutting edge of technology and we have been wanting more than what they were able to provide.

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  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    So, with help from our ISPs the MAFIAA lunatics are taking over the asylum. This isn’t going to end well or peaceably :(

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  • Steeleye1

    sooooo, I didn’t read all the comments, but, don’t magnet links prevent all this?

    • Anonymous

      Not in the slightest.

      The problem is all those user IP that you can see in the swarm that you transfer data to and from. Some of those IPs would be monitoring companies watching to see who infringe.

    • lol

      In a nutshell: no.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_F7HTT3DKES5FNGLRA7QS6YVQ34 If I were you

    TO WAR! TO WAR! The Horn shall Sound in the Deep one last time!

  • unknown

    so if you used a private tracker and still received a letter, wouldn’t it mean the isp is snooping into your traffic? wouldn’t this be breaking privacy laws?

  • http://www.facebook.com/egnyquist Erik G. Nyquist

    Well, Look at that. Money trumps the best interests of the American People! What a surprise.

    You know, I really do want to vote for the Obama Administration, but the continued endorsement of things like this just continue to provide me with annoying reminders that he is every bit as corrupt as the clowns who waste space in the house and senate.

    • stopping by

      No need to be political about it…

      Obama is doing what any other half decent politician is doing in the entire Western world right now:

      Protecting Intellectual Property.

      Not because he wants to support artists and musicians, unfortunately, :) but because he wants to boost an economy that is suffering billion dollar losses because of IP theft.

      • Anonymous

        because of an outdated business model….FTFY….

      • /b/loody flies

        that is suffering billion dollar losses because of IP theft.

        bullshit,piss of troll.

      • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH I love when you post shit. it’s always good to brighten my day.

        take a look at this, it’s a video from TEDTalk about the copyright math that’s been thrown around for the last 10 years.

        http://youtu.be/GZadCj8O1-0

        feel free to refute it, somehow.

      • Asdf

        @stopping by, you do realize that RIAA and MPAA are making record breaking profits each and every year…right? 2009 to 2010 report, the RIAA went up 20 billion profits, and the MPAA even more. Both of them are now at around 80 billion year profits.

  • Guest

    TL;DR: lots of people wanting privacy for piracy fight among each other

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  • QGuest

    this is for who was talking about networking; there is 3 type ip address that we are using, the 1 is ip address that on the internet(your isp gives that). 2 is we are using on the network(it can be obtain automatically or manual), 3 is local ip address (thats 127.0.0.1) and now if you are connected to the internet and you are downloading/uploading (even if your are trying to connect a web page this is also downloading a file) any file your isp is see every exact details and knows who you are by your ip address. and for the last post if isps will begin to block of torrent ports nobody can down/up a file.

  • Fuckoff

    Fuck off

  • Gu357u53r

    So are they hiring people to comb through packets? I could do this job, then after I get off work from looking at packets all day I could hop on the internet and know where all the booty is located :-D!! And then make it disappear with the push of a button.

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  • Spiderfly

    I just want to say…..20 years ago, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. :-)

  • 3G User

    Why not just use a 3G/4G modem when downloading? In most countries you can by a prepaid modem with even unlimited band with without showing an ID. If the ISP should somehow turn off your access, just buy a new one. So where should they send the letter to? The shop that sold the modem? Of course they could try to triangulate you through the cell phone towers which might work if you are on a farm on the country side. In a city it is not accurate enough to pinpoint you. Will an ISP do that? Are they obliged to do so?
    Of course they could try to outlaw GPRS/3G/4G/Wimax etc.

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  • right

    If I so much as think that in the vicinity of my mailbox is a warning/subpeana – there is no measure of disaster equivalent to what will be called “the return of the letter”.

    Copyright is a law of the past, kinda like prohibition k?

    Also I must add, Hollywood movie organisations openly blamed the VCR with the potential for viewers to tape shows, thus decreasing profits. In short – hollywood movie organisations did not like transportable-removable products(such as a vcr tape).

    Why, o’why would the hollywood movie organisations be so fond of dvd’s now, such an advocate for them? I thought they did not like removable/transportable products?

    The answer is simply this – the hollywood movie organisations bend the copyright law to adhere to any era of time, manipulating it to their own advantage, to extract maximum profits.

    How can you own a sound? a story? an image?

  • http://twitter.com/EastLurkshard ….

    Unless your found with the files on your computer anyone could just access your internet connection if you have a wireless network.

  • Deeeeks

    Is it safer to download older movies such as 80s and 90s movies? or does this not matter at all?

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jack-Straw/100002694451161 Jack Straw

    Come and get me. See you in court. How you going to prove it was me that did it? The networks are such a leaky sieve that any hacker could have used my computer in a bot net, trojan, etc. There is no way to prove “I” did anything.

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  • guest

    The Acknowledgement step sounds like one of them abstinence pledges they made you sign in middle school

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  • http://www.facebook.com/JamJulLison James Wilson

    How are they going to be able to tell if the high amount of data going through the lines are even illegal downloads? Look at all the things have use a lot of bandwidth these days. Online gaming on pcs and various game systems, video watching sites such as youtube, netflix and many other things. The only way to tell for certain would be to monitor the data going back and forth. Doing so would be a violation of our privacy. Do we really want our ISPs getting private info such as Credit Card numbers, debit card numbers, addresses, phone numbers, social security numbers and many other things? The whole reason why most of us make sure to keep out computers free of spyware is to prevent private information getting out. So what do they do once they get it? Do they keep it in a database? If so then all it takes is a really good hacker to hack into the database and they have access to this information. Then there is the matter of the added cost this will cost the ISPs. Do we really need our bills to go up even more? No we do not. The whole reason many of us even download movie, music and tv shows off the internet is because we can’t afford to buy them. If the movie, music or tv show is actually any good, when we can afford to we are likely to go out and buy it. If it is crap though like so much is these days, we aren’t going to waste money on it. Then of course there are some older tv shows and anime that aren’t even available on dvd to buy. Hell we aren’t even likely to keep it on our computer. Hell with tv shows how many of us actually keep the episodes on our computer anyways. Takes up too much space. Same goes for movies. Give us an added cost on our bill and this is going to mean even less money we will have. Making us even less likely to buy something we like. The ones who are persistent to get these downloads are just going to resort to going to public access points such as Mcdonalds to get their downloads anyways. In the end it isn’t going to solve the problem, nor will it really slow it down. It is just pointless and costly.

  • Klauss

    another search engine torrent http://www.themagnetbay.me scanning and scanning again i find yestarday

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  • Guest

    It surprises me that most of you don´t feel angry enough to act. Show them, through the legal channels, that you wont´t tolerate these stupid laws.
    Most of you are just thinking on how to circumvent, instead of destroying the problem from their roots.
    You disappoint me.

  • Wouter Schaekers

    Bahaha!
    Only the pplz without technical background will fall for this…
    VPN/encryption anyone?

    • Anonymous

      VPN: Expensive (Just pay for the content at that point…)
      Encryption: Ineffective

  • thetruthhurts

    All this really proves is that the US government actually an agent of big buisness and the elites.

    The US government is a corporate entity nothing more.

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  • Anonymous

    Bottom line ahow do we protect ourselves? Get a vpn that doesnt keep logs or just avoid torrents ?

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  • Anonymous

    Is it possible that an illegal file-sharing person will get busted, a file-sharer with a known reputation in the file-sharing community? And that the freetard identity will be used to plant illegal files with law enforcement malware… I think a lot of people sitting in the privacy of their larceny space are in for rude awakening. I’m not one to judge. It is just a matter of time.

  • Alan Smith

    Okay. JUST 2make a POINT.
    If i ever receive this notice, I will begin to use my computer for downloading most of their ‘MODERN’ abc123. I myself will not view nor listen to the content I deem badmoderngarbage. Most of this stuff is full of item placement (advertisement content) theymakemoneybysomeonesimplywatchingit. Therefore, is it infringement if you never access a file you download? Does a TR33 make a sound when in falls in the woods if nobody is around to hear it? Shouldpeoplepayforamoviethathasadvertisementinit? Can they target a person who never sees or listen to their content?

    Simply put: flood the system. I will bury their junk in my hard-drive: Download, Trash, Delete for ever. 2make4point.

    • alan

      5minsl8er… Gets call from Comcast about a “promotional” upgrade to save money. :P

  • Rye Achrage

    Is there a full list of ISPs that will be doing this? I was planning to jump from TWC to Embarq (CentryLink).

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y5AM72R2M63CLULTWQWTIKW4HI James

    Why don’t Americans and everyone in the world just simply stop watching MPAA and RIAA music? It’s crap, the story lines are so cliche, and it misrepresents the real world. Example: How many stereotypical images do you have about Mexicans, Asians, Blacks, Native Americans etc? The movies and music are just crap. I download books, and believe me, even books have a lot of propaganda junk on there, but Hollywood movies are just unavoidable. What do you guys think?

    • Asdf

      I stopped buying movies and music back in the 90′s.

  • Borabbit

    Me ISP kin git down on all fours and lik de crack o me ass.

  • Mr Bo

    Me ISP kin git down on all fours and lik de crack o me ass.

  • Akabane000

    Catch me if you can bit**es!

  • A3

    @ everyone

    Idea: it would be beneficial to calm your hostile/crass tones if you are here to communicate/offer any information/insight of value. We are all dealing with the branching out of laws and legislature worldwide. Berating someone while trying to get your point across is a hypocritical endeavor. Stop shooting yourselves in the feet. Things are hard enough without your spite tarnishing the words you share here.

  • Devnull

    Technically, a VPN service would suffice. However, I would not want to give an ISP that voluntarily participates in this sort of thing one cent of my hard-earned money.

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  • max

    thats why is good to avoid big isp companies i have a fiber subscription from a private company. dynamic ip and very high speeds (20 mb/s with private trackers) and the only time i ”saw” someone from that company is when a guy came to my house to install the gear..no surveys calls or anything like that..and PRIVATE!!!

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  • anon

    It’s a reasonable thing to do, warn you and stuff.

    But I fear there will be lots of non-tech savvy internet users that will be scapegoats in this…

    Just think at how much spam there’s being sent rightnow, or how many are part of botnets. Why not use them as proxies?

  • 12221331415151556171634134123

    You’re all nerds.

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  • TcpSolid

    To make most of everyones rants clearer I would like to add these few comments, Your Router has a designated Ip Address called public Ip Add / This address Is the one your ISP can see. The other ip add is the one on ur computer stemming from that public one. Now the Isp Couples the public ip along with the stemmed one and the Mac or (Machine) address to narrow their target. Now if you use Vpns and encryption most likely they wont be able to get end to end Hash Tracking however the bandwidth allocation will be looked at and if its higher than the norm it will be further logged. Now if your on linux changing ur mac add is a snap, windows can be done but is less well known and a little harder to employ, Apples computers might be close to linux style but it based on BSD Os so im not sure correct me when u note this! Now What you really need to worry about is your download hashes. Sha1 Hashes are the files Integrity basically you know that the file is what it says it is because of its hash, this was a way of making sure ur not dling trojans.. hence one person acknowledges the hash to be true to the file in question and you dont mistake two different files online with the same name when 1 is good and the other is bad. Now comes search and seizure. One person above stated that the Media Mafia Companies dont bother much with going after those with Vpn’s encryption and Jump hop Ip and Mac Changing because usually the sophistication of us L33t peepz is far above their understanding and know how and not to mention skill of their techs. Basically our techs are more skilled and are always ahead of theirs because they’ve been doing it longer and most likely side with us on the corporate exploitation and extortion they have been using. Now with that said YES they go after the Low-hanging fruit… meaning the general torrent user with no defense employed and usually not enough knowledge. Not only is it easier but the person with no computer knowledge also will not know about their own rights, laws, court procedural nomenclature, therefore they are the targeted prey essentially because their mob has more sophistication than the average Joe. Most of these companies now have lawyers in their back pocket in Washington Dc and they send their own kids to law school with their vast amounts of money to combat our skills. They have the money the know how even if its not in the technology dynamic its in the technical procedural and liable dynamic meaning.. do you technically have the right to download something or are you allowed to be an opportunist and download something you see online that hasnt hit store shelves based on procedural nitty gritty plus they have the power as of now not to mention the connections. We are in a recession for many reasons but one no one speaks about is how much these companies have to pay these lawyers to get their agenda pushed forward along with changing certain laws in the courtroom to their benefit. We have reached a fork in the road to be bluntly put it comes down to this. I believe if the companies want us to stop downloading they have options. One of the options is to make the Dvd’z or digital copy of the movie available by point in time of the release into theatres. Reasoning being the Movie corps are monopolizing the events.. heres how. They cant produce Dvd’z for the world and or country fast enough during release hence the 6 month before its out of theaters and on disc.
    It costs manufacturers 0.75 cents on the dollar to produce a cd/ dvd/ video game a lil more for a bluray perhaps. Image Burning to disc physically burning the movie image to the disc probably takes anywhere from 5-10 min maybe shorter or longer it depends. Now they turn around and sell their movie for 20-30 dollars and now for xbox and computer games 60.00$ so after 5 min of burning something that cost .75 cents is now 60$ look at the upsell thats outrageous. Now if this is the case we need to have in depth logs and video of the people sweating to make the movie, and to require oversight.. do they deserve that upsell return rate on their property? did they really work hard enough on their movie / product to be awarded/ rewarded with that Sum of monetary gains? and Who sets that price and why. yes of course they need to pay their employees however do the funds really get shared with their developers and artists or does alot of the money just go to the higher ups and thats why the things cost that much. Is the reason it costs so much because the makers ask for more money therefore they raise the price on the measly disc to suit their artists and their needs. Alot of it is CEO GREED Depends on how good the movie actually was.
    Now make that a Netflix or Itunes download for a nominal price and available on release and about 80 % of us will buy it that way and download it through that source. Now their servers will dive if everyone downloads like that so they the movie corps need tons of servers available to handle the bandwidth and wait times. One thing the people like me usually gripe about is buying a sucky movie that didnt hold interest and was not entertaining enough. We cant always get the desired movie for the family based off of one trailer…sometimes the trailers scenes are inherently the only good scenes in said movie, which is why the 6 month wait till dvd is Bullshit. It sucks for the consumer because they tease you with those scenes so ur hyped so u get the movie and those scenes were the only ones that made the movie so then once youve bought it your up in arms because it really wasnt that great. Yet another ploy to get your money. Its a monopoly. Im not saying the people who sweated to make the movie dont deserve payment. Im saying that theater tickets and food and drink are way over priced, not to mention overrated.. your in a room with a bunch of strangers watching a movie and it might not be an ideal setting for you to watch the movie & you have to fight for ur seats basically or choose the time you go or wait a week i mean wtf i hate that shit … hence watching it at home ah yes that way of watching our entertainment.. hmm lets see now blockbuster is out of business but netflix is running hmmm lemme wonder why? oh cuz netflix u can start up at home once movies are released, but hmm blockbuster oh ive got to start up my car and drive there and rent it and then take my own time to return it and hence repeat process up to movie store. Now take a big fucking focused look at this for a sec… The movies can be released to theaters and be played on that night of release. Why cant the movie be released to Netflix the same time? Oh no contracts with netflix? different movie companies associations dont cater to their publics needs because they arent or dont want to be partnered with said company? Hmm. How about a mandated rollover for movies to automatically go to netflix on release time? What im going to end my rant with is this.. Should the release times dictate arrival on stream sites like netflix? Yes or No if yes then your movies you create with blood sweat and tears will be paid for by monthly subscriptions and justified along with View counters repeat views and its healthy non pirated viewing so that takes pirating down alot because ill be honest here most of the downloading pirates would rather have this option anyway. If they didnt like the movie and it was over hyped the comment section and rating section does you justice if you want to make a Part 2 to your sequence and make adjusted changes to your movie to cope with doubts and disgruntled part 1 viewers then you have a better system than going 1 by 1 interviewing douchebags for their opinion wasting valuable time when they can type their opinion and or comment with more vigor eccentricity and appeal by listing their thoughts down sequentially than to voice their opinion on the spot with errors on the wayside that might jump in.. basically listing things down in a document format opposed to thinking up pros and cons on the fly. If NO then you are just trying to monopolize events at the theater, on store shelves and even in privacy of peoples homes and in the courtroom and your just contributing to the problem. your saying that you cant jump into netflix’s boat of happy internet home viewing ? Then what should happen is Universal Warner Bros 20th century fox, paramount ; should release their own netflix bullshit. So if we know a movie we want to watch is from their specific studio we view it in their realm. I mean seriously .75 to 60$ is one of the movie and gaming industries biggest scams to date if their people dont deserve to get paid that sum because of actual cost based analysis on the films and scenes Hourly rate and so on. If a cost based analysis was done and a movie took in more than it required to make its a monetary gain which is what most firms want. But then the money they make shouldnt be able to be used to enforce policy decisions and or shouldnt be able to be used to pay lawyers. Did the people who put their blood sweat and tears into making the movie really deserve to get paid more than the hourly wage they start off of. We need to define their pay scale so we know what they deserve to get paid to entertain us… Not what they want to get paid so that they can entertain themselves. Greed at its finest once again. What these big corporations fail to realize is that as much of a target we are… they are a target as well. If they continue down this path of locking people up for what they see as an injustice.. we will rally and target their people as well.. maybe their children their families their friends their people in high places maybe we will open their smoked filled rooms behind closed doors. So like i said before we have knowledge they have power Tip the fucking scales in your favor people and to the movie corps let ur movies stream on netflix upon release you are scumbags if you do not. If you do not your not only condemning ur studios but your families to deprived funds. to the game corporations… How many more copies of your game wouldve been bought if the price was lowered to a decent ammount? Your models are as follows: Less copies sold for a higher price . / . Ideal model of the people is as follows: More copies for a lower price.. more copies are sold more people play and like the game, then they tell their friends to buy it its only x price so theres no excuse not to get it, if its sold at $60 the youth and dynamic in this country finds it harder to pay the fee. hence less copies sold, and you do want to appeal to the masses do you not? Basically what im trying to imply is that if you sell the game for less you will eventually hit your projected sales sum mark it may take a couple months or a few years maybe but more copies will be bought and also the money will just keep coming in because if its $20 bucks even some of the poorest kids could afford that maybe even $35 would be fairest in my honest opinion. Movie and game companies remember what the joker says in batman ?? ” They are schemers trying to exert as much control as possible in their little world. I’m like a dog chasing a car, i wouldnt know what to do if i actually caught it I just (DO) things. I show the schemers how futile and pointless their attempts to control things really are.” With a little bit of explosives and know how i can bring them to their knees, and you know the thing about explosives is they are cheap. Here is my meaning you spend tons trying to control when someone who is disgruntled can hurt you also with a minimal ammount of funds. So dont Bust the Publics balls. Just fucking go with their wishes and you still get a great ammount of money its a fucking win win dont you get it?? by doing your cloak and dagger damage control theres a possibility your going to step on your own dicks. When its brought to light that you are monopolizing things to your benefit and it becomes apparent you are going to get sued and i mean sued to shit man. especially when people understand how easy it is for u to send a dvd to a theater for release its obvious that you could send some to netflix and they could do an upload quicker than a shake of a lambs tail and your movie is now available for fucking stream on point of release .. finally relinquishing me from bullshit assholes at theaters fighting for seats, having fat asses go past ur seat saying excuse me overpriced foods and the whole medium that is the theater and renting a dvd at a store. Face it Digital is better.. No physical traffic in cities to go get rentals, reaches customers months in advance of ur current system, Gas prices, limited quantities of rentals on hand, crowd control, and less fucking illegal downloads which is the whole fucking point ANYHOW. The only traffic control youd have to deal with is network traffic control that would be people all going to netflix and streaming and downloading and netflix bandwidth, which is 10x more manageable than physical fucking traffic in cities Geniuses. Watch when you dont do these things and people figure out your doing it to pocket everyones money unjustly when we know full and well we could have content at the ready on release of ur films and ur holding it back because you want to drive people to the theaters to purchase tickets and food at unjust costs, dont get me wrong im sure the theaters are good partners for you all and we dont hate them its merely that you and we all know u have the content you can post it on netflix but you wont , and when asked reasons why it mostly comes down to something you all will not state which is we want you to go to theaters to spend ghastly amounts of cash for us. Fucking newsflash buddy! I hate the theaters and ive only watched a couple movies that were worth the price to pay for viewing. I like a nice quiet family homely environment while viewing things till my hearts content. Im positive in my thoughts that there are tons of people out there like me that share my discontent. We want it this way for a reason.. yeah you will lose out on cash and so will the theaters. But people wont stop going to the theaters. I happen to know people that go to the theaters just for the screen so stop whining. Including myself. But i also know people like myself that would love to watch ur new releases just in the comfort of their own homes, and not to rub shoulders with the good people of their towns. It wouldnt look good to you at first but thing about these few details. How much gas does america save? less traffic in cities, more gas saved = less money spent even by your own employees to make and create the movies, how about less money spent producing the dvds so you can get a feel for each city and what their adequate calculative and estimated needs are. Its not all bad from any point of view to be honest. I just think if you stopped to think there are positives to adhering to public wants and needs. Theres always a Niche in the market and thats what ur focused on currently well this is another niche, sorry that its against ur partner the movie thaters interest in their capital gains but its a harsh reality.

    • Ghost111

      Two wireless routers running alternate port mapping ip-releases/renew /allcompartments and dnsflushes quarterly on the hour bounding off a usb wireless running static bridged with the internal pci adapter also static and it not registering a dns prefix… You could crash nasa and walk away a Ghost.

      • Ghost111

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  • http://twitter.com/ZacharyJuang Zachary Juang

    How does the ISPs know whether you are downloading legitimate files or copyright infringing files via bit-torrent? Don’t they also have to acquire all the pieces via the same .torrent/magnet link to be sure? Or do they just prohibit the use of bit-torrent protocol completely?

    (No trolling please, I’m genuinely curious.

    • Anonymous

      ISPs do not actively look for offenders, they just react to complaints from copyright holders.

      Copyright holders just need to find a torrent for one of their products, start downloading it, then look at the connected peers. From the peers IPs, they can easily get the ISP, then file complaints. The ISP then matches IPs to its users contact information, and sends copyright infringement notices.

      You can’t even hide from that, since BitTorrent requires you to make your IP visible to actually work.

  • Joe

    It’s all around bit torrent, so are they not targeting newsgroups?

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  • Anon

    I doubt they give two shits about my anime.

    Also, why use P2P for songs? Just use a youtube mp3 downloader.

    • Anonymous

      Audio quality is much better on P2P since it’s (usually) directly copied from a CD. Getting your music from YouTube is essentially the same as recording songs from the radio. Good enough, but some just can’t bear it. Of course, the best quality still comes from CDs, or FLAC files.

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    TRIBLER

  • jkrock

    I guess those for all of you not living in Kansas City and about to get Google Fiber :P

  • Legion

    I think it’s time we all say “I’m mad as hell, and I’m not going to take it anymore!”

  • Anonymous

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  • Fake

    These companies are highly leveraged and just a few months of enough people not paying would bankrupt them.

    It worked with the cell phone companies.

  • http://twitter.com/XxDuhastxX Du Hast

    Screw them!

  • Anonymous

    The privacy rights that we are supposedly afforded in life don’t translate to our online lives. When we send a letter we have a reasonable expectation of privacy. The letter will arrive at its destination, unopened.

    You can stop ISP’s from spying on you and protect your online privacy by clearing evercookies (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evercookie) and getting an encrypted tunnel like hushtunnel.com.

    Most proxies available are SSL based and as such are prone to trusted man in the middle attacks. Hush Tunnel uses SSH and is the easiest way to protect your online privacy.

  • Anonymous

    Almost guaranteed they’re already ‘keeping track’ of suspects.
    I’ve been noticing some weird voodoo on my dilithium trackers.

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  • Katia

    You know what annoys me? Music companies that constantly preach, “download this legally, pay for your music” but don’t give you an option to actually BUY it. Case in point: I wanted a copy of Ed Sheeran’s “+” album. Went to iTunes: not available. So I went to iTunes UK after searching the internet for the link. Clicked “buy” then got an error message saying that my account was only valid in the US. Okay, so I went to Amazon’s UK site and tried to get it THERE. Got another message saying pretty much the same thing: “We’re sorry. We could not process your order because of geographical restrictions on the product which you were attempting to purchase. Please refer to the terms of use for this product to determine the geographical restrictions. We apologize for the inconvenience.” Yep. I got a pirated copy because I HAD NO CHOICE. When it becomes available in the US, I will buy a copy. Until then, record companies should take note that if they want people to purchase their product legally, they have to give them the opportunity to do so before pointing fingers and calling people thieves.

  • badd azz

    people people people everyone and everything digital pretty much can be and at a later time will be hacked lol the dvd was 4gb I was burning exact copies to cd before the dvd burner was out they changed it to 8gb then there was a program to rewrite it to fit on a 4gb disc then they have security and again it was broken now they have blue ray guess what its copied the government can keep it up what happened when some one attacked them and shut them down and what about the those who will attack the movie sources online then shut them down crazy the hackers or the skillful has time and patience and wont stop til they pretty much make every program and source free HMM i like this lol yep what about windows i want you to look for windows extreme edition its free and re did a copy of ultimate and made a lot better so you can love your government you might just be shut down with them

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  • http://www.facebook.com/pocket613 Ron Fleming

    I predict this move is going to be a GOLDMINE for the anonymous torrent sharing service providers. I almost feel like I should start one now.

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  • Megalomania

    Excellent News!!!

    1. Hack into Chris Dodd’s wifi connection.

    2. Download porn like crazy.

    3. Get Chris Dodd’s internet connection permanently severed.

    4. Rinse. Repeat with each member of Congress.

    This new policy has seriously made my day!

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  • Chicketychina

    U completly all miss something thats right in our faces an Govs hope none realise that look up “strawman” look up comon law an maritime law, ull find that its all in the wording an ACT IS NOT A LAW so when they “under the blah blah ACT of year blah blah do you understand” YOU SAY “NO I DNT UNDERSTAND” meaning you do not stand under their authority it is call a verbal contract if you say yes ur f*cked beacuse of the verbal agreement it is called “legalise” an act is not a law so you dnt have to “UNDERSTAND IT”(stand under)”if more ppl realise this,the Govs of the world would be fucked but ppl dnt knw this,plse ignore my spelling mistakes i dnt care bout them im just trying to say about Law and ACTS are NOT the same

  • Chicketychina

    Heres an example,i see a car i want,i buy it.When i get it its mine……….no its not look @ ur log book it says im the “REGISTERED KEEPER” the registered OWNER is the DVLA. Keep that in mind,i go out in car an get a speeding ticket,the speeding ticket says “the registered OWNER to pay blah blah” but according to my log book im the REGISTERED KEEPER so the ticket is NOT to me but the REGISTERED OWNER WHICH IS THE DVLA,so all you do is send the speeding ticket to the DVLA “the propper an registered Owner they throw it away as would they fine them selfs??!! its all in the WORDING “LEGALISE” yes im a small fish in this pond but even they swim in deep places when ppl cant swim :)

  • G Lynch

    I was flagged by my ISP, I freaked so I started to look into some vpns and I found torguard.net. They’re rather inexpensive and you get great service, this was 4 months ago and I haven’t been flagged since. It’s worth a look.

  • ChangeyourrouterMACaddress

    Just change the MAC address of your router every couple of days. When the MAC address is changed the cable modem assigns a new ip address.

  • Anon

    How will this affect FTP?

  • anonzy

    Just use a good VPN like HMA.

    The RIAA and MPAA are the only ones who give a damn about this “new procedure” and it’s not like anyone else cares. Cities/States won’t spend an extra dime of Law Enforcement resources when they are needed elsewhere. You’re ISP doesn’t want to lose customers so they might scare you but that’s about all.

    This is Bullshit and it will not work.

  • JJ T

    With all these publicity, I am surprise nobody ordered a hit on Christopher Dodd?

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  • joe

    Just shut up all of you and enjoy it while it lasts! Man, talk about a bunch of nerds… go out and get laid…lol

  • http://twitter.com/happyizpunjai happy

    Let get this straight methods getting past this is.. Spoof IP , use VPN , Use proxy, use an external location to get stuff plus retroshare.
    Remember static ip is assigned to your router/modem. you can only change you dynamic ip. Your MAC address will pin your exact device that you used. Your ip will pin exect device you used on a network. So therefore if you change location they won’t be able to find where your are.
    Use for extreme cases.
    -So if take your laptop to a different location you can change your static ip which is given by location.
    -Spoof your ip so that it changes and harder to keep track off.
    -Then use a VPN(like someplace in Europe or Russia that uses bitcoin) to change your external ip again
    -After that use a proxy to change the exertanl ip off the VPN.
    -The use I2p or L2tp or retroshare to create stronger encrypted transmission.
    -Bandwith is still drop but at least they won’t catch you. Make sure there is no camera around you .

    For the legal aspect.
    Sharing is legal. P2p is perfectly legal. But sharing owned content is not. Look at youtube and how many people are sharing trailer which is part of the movie still considered copyright. Movies are something we can learn from therefore it is knowledgeable or information we can learn and used which leads me to believe that freedom of information is applied here. If you own something you should have a right to it but there is a limit to that like how some movies or cartoons use that portion (but modify it) of the movie and yet that is not consider a copyright. Digital content are modified so we get straight to the action and not worry about that boring 3 min intro. Infringement is on youtube on trailers yet they don’t for that they for the anything. I see torrents legal but what content they have is not. Like a Board showing where you can find drugs. I don’t understand why not get the supplier and not the down loader. Torrents site is like a board and torrents are the notes im just looking at the board and finding my interest in notes. Must common sense is to go for the supplier. But then again if you buy something legally shouldn’t you own the right to modify other wise every thing i buy legally would be a lie and not worth owning.

  • Guest

    Can anyone clarify whether the monitoring is for the download of the torrent files themselves (for which some sites have workarounds), the actual bt traffic, or both?

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  • Compwrench

    I use a USB NIC, You must be mistaken, I don’t have that MAC.

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  • Beyondnotion

    To even know for sure If a file is actually the content it proclaims it is would require the rights holders to download content they may not even have rights to, thus breaking the law.

    Its all just a scare tactic. I wouldn’t give a shit if they sent me 1000 letters or emails. Just be proud that your wasting their time and money with this crap.

  • Patternguru714 Fani

    I’m not sure where all of you live, but Cox and Adelphia in California have been performing this for over a year. I’ve received two Cease &Desist-type notices from the ISP, and a friend who regularly downloaded movies received several as well. Unfortunately he didn’t monitor his ISP mail account to see them, foolishly kept seeding (didn’t know better) and they shut him off for seven days. This stuff is nothing new, and is primarly used by producers of new music or films who pay services like PeerGuardian to monitor download seeders for a few months immediately after new DVD, streaming or screen release. Encryption won’t help much as they simply look at your IP in the seed list. Proxies might, but downloading through proxies is a frustrating game. It’s real, it’s nothing new and it does work to prevent habitual seeders. They watch for continued seeding of a specific file over many hours.

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