Japanese ISPs Agree to Ban Pirates from the Internet
Written by enigmax on March 15, 2008Following a huge increase in complaints from the music, movie and software industries, the four major Japanese ISP organizations have agreed that they will work with copyright holders to track down copyright infringing file-sharers and disconnect them from the internet.
In 2006, a Japanese ISP decided to plan measures to stop their subscribers using file-sharing software, by tracking their activities and disconnecting them from the Internet. The plan didn’t come to fruition as the government stepped in and said that such monitoring might have privacy implications.
Now, under huge pressure from the movie, music and software industries, the four major ISP organizations in Japan are at it again, and have agreed to take drastic action against online pirates.
According to the report in Yomiuri Shimbun, the agreement would see copyright holders tracking down file-sharers on the Internet using “special detection software” and then notifying ISPs of alleged infringers. ISPs would first send out emailed warnings to those traced, then interrupt the Internet connection if action to cease the activity isn’t taken. For persistent breaches, the ISP would ultimately terminate the accounts of its subscribers.
These four major ISP organizations – which include Telecom Service Association and the Telecommunications Carriers Association – are made up of around 1,000 other ISPs, a large portion of the Japanese market. In collaboration with the copyright holders, the ISPs will set up a panel in April to decide exactly how the system should operate.
Right now, there is a lot discussion surrounding the suggestion that persistent file-sharers could be banned from the internet. So far there have been proposals in France, the UK and Australia.
During December last year we reported that the number of internet users file-sharing in Japan had increased by a 180% in a single year.
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125 Responses
sure kiddy porn is fine there but they do this? Those wacky chinks…
LMAO I would disconnect from my ISP
good one I hope the big 4 will be happy to know that all thier subscribers will cancel thier contract.
Next week on Tf; Jap ISPs apologise for disconnection
What a truly moronic strategy. ISPs should sell higher priced high volume subscriptions to filesharers, not turn them over on a silver plate to the competition.
All they NEED to do is find a way to distract the Japenese and they’ll forget all about filesharing or P2p! Just stand in a crowded street and shout, “It is Godzilla”! This is sure to start a stampede!
This is like grocery stores going after people who eat a lot of food – their main customers.
I thought the Japanese would be better then us when it comes to reason and protecting its people, but looks like they cracked before anyone else. Though only Japanese people are nice enough to give a couple of warnings before you are internet-less unlike some European isp’s which give out the information followed by the mafia’s(IFPH) suing tactics. Still the Japanese government will step in as it isn’t different from the previous case in 2006.
[quote comment="312009"]sure kiddy porn is fine there but they do this? Those wacky chinks…[/quote]
just because the title is japanese doesn’t mean you have to start thinking about porn.
Well back to Darknets for our fellow Jap pirates.
[quote comment="312013"]All they NEED to do is find a way to distract the Japenese and they’ll forget all about filesharing or P2p! Just stand in a crowded street and shout, “It is Godzilla”! This is sure to start a stampede![/quote]
LOL.
Good for the ISP’s not a form of their cartel.
And they should rejoice for the loss of subscribers as well.
Good Riddance.
Heres more proof that the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki have scrambled quite a few brains for generations…. not to mention made their penis’ shorter and tits smaller :p
LMAO, they’re stupid. Let’s control everyone and steal any remaining privacy they’ve got.
This is actually quite a good strategy for japan. Japanese citizens are easily intimidated, contrary to western european or american surfers. The japanese isps will probably do more benefit with the reduced traffic, than loss with the loss of customers.
Looks like some ISPs won’t have any customers by the end of the year. They’ll all have been disconnected from the internet and join another ISP.
No customers = no profits = no company.
They have to realise that they are not only competing us pirates but also other ISPs. People will flock to them just ike Comcast.
(It keeps says im posting comments to quickly (this is my first one). Add file locks (flocks) to your system to stop the timestamps being recorder as a global user)
This will really hurt JAP ISPs.
As Jap ISPs ban pirate, all their customers will downgrade their internet connection first.
So if a 10Mbit connect cost 50$, they will downgrade to 512Kbps LoL
so they will pay only 8-9$/month.
Decrease of 90% income for JAP ISPs.
If i were owner of ISPs in JAP, i would reply to movie/software/music companies a big FUCK OFF.
They are thinking about their profit, not thinking what will happen to JAP ISPs income.
JAP ISPs, please be careful before taking this huge action ! ! !
Think + Think + Rethink ! ! !
A Swedish ISP called Telia did this a couple of years ago. I actually got kicked out.
ISP’s in Japan are going to try to stop the pirates…good luck with that
Stop using public p2p & encrypt transfers, you can be anonymous.
Perhaps cultural values cause more Asian places (Japan, Hong Kong) to ban piracy compared to European countries (Sweden, Russia) that don’t have such strict laws.
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[quote comment="312070"]Stop using public p2p & encrypt transfers, you can be anonymous.[/quote]
what if they see a huge surge in encrypted traffic to your computer and cut you off based on that?
This agreement is dead-on-arrival, whether or not the Japanese government steps in to block it.
The concept of “special detection software” for singling out each and every filesharing session that somehow infringes copyright, is so God damn unfeasible from both an economical and logistical standpoint that to say these movie, music, and software industry executives have shit-for-brains must be a literal description.
The best they could ever *realisticly* hope for is an inefficient, inaccurate, easily spoofed, and costly net-monitoring system that results in nothing more than driving subscribers away to rival P2P-friendly ISPs.
This little endeavor has FAIL written all over it.
@f@ckthosechinks:
They’re not even Chinese. Being racist and being stupid don’t have to go hand-in-hand, you know.
Geez Louise.
“So if a 10Mbit connect cost 50$, they will downgrade to 512Kbps LoL
so they will pay only 8-9$/month.
Decrease of 90% income for JAP ISPs.
If i were owner of ISPs in JAP, i would reply to movie/software/music companies a big FUCK OFF.”
Agreed. There’s no excuse for the caving. I’m willing to say it’s a ruse, even.
[quote comment="312021"][quote comment="312009"]sure kiddy porn is fine there but they do this? Those wacky chinks…[/quote]
just because the title is japanese doesn’t mean you have to start thinking about porn.[/quote]
Great point!
[quote comment="312021"][quote comment="312009"]sure kiddy porn is fine there but they do this? Those wacky chinks…[/quote]
just because the title is japanese doesn’t mean you have to start thinking about porn.[/quote]
Great point!
[quote comment="312009"]sure kiddy porn is fine there but they do this? Those wacky chinks…[/quote]
Stay on topic. The readers of torrent freak are not here to entertain your racist misconceptions.
Filesharing is under attack in every place around the world. We file sharers need unity – not prejudice – in these times.
You cannot ban me from the internet. The internet is my ocean and I will freely sail it for the rest of my life. If you want to be free, join me and fight for what you believe in.
> Filesharing is under attack in every
> place around the world. We file
> sharers need unity – not prejudice
>- in these times.
Wen need to organize since our enemy is organized. We need to quickly identify providers that try to censor out private information exchange. We need to leave them in thousands and hurt their MI friendly businesses. On the other side, we need to support providers that take our side and join them in thousands.
Any provider pigs that actively conduct MI friendly censorship need to go bankrupt. Quickly. To set a mark for other providers not to fuck with their customers and censor their communication. They live off our fees and have to serve us as we dictate. If they think that the MI is a better client than filesharers, they should try doing business without filesharers and with filesharers informing their friends and families of the censorship going on.
The moves the industry made in the last few years seem rather suicidal. Now obviously the providers decided to join the suicide train with no obvious goal. Like tha nazis who already 1942 knew they will lose the war, but kept killing and fighting for no obvious reason.
woah i’m gonna start a broadband company in japan without these restrictions and tell the other companies to fuck off and i’ll get rich in no time..
[quote comment="312009"]sure kiddy porn is fine there but they do this? Those wacky chinks…[/quote]
If you’re going to racialy slur a nation at least get it right dumbass, it’s Nips. Chinks are Chinese, not Japanese.
The entertainment industry in Japan needs to stop being so stupid. In Japan it is far more expensive to buy anime so it might be the same for music and software. To buy an anime dvd it costs about $30 for 1-2 episodes of a series.
They wouldn’t be losing so much business if they didn’t rip people off so much.
JAPANESE PORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is really stupid.
By stopping low level “crime” they are decreasing the price of technologies/increasing the availablity of technologies that make it harder to tracker higher level crime on the net.
If they kick out all the people that fileshares, where the hell do they think they can sell high-speed? Do you need 16Mbit to check your email?
they eat cats
Thats great news, fuck thieving pirates.
VIVA LA GFY.COM
[quote comment="312091"][quote comment="312009"]sure kiddy porn is fine there but they do this? Those wacky chinks…[/quote]
Stay on topic. The readers of torrent freak are not here to entertain your racist misconceptions.
Filesharing is under attack in every place around the world. We file sharers need unity – not prejudice – in these times.[/quote]
Heh, maybe we all can ban together and protest to the people in charge of such things for a compromise (kinda like anon with Scientology)
After all, what makes a country is the people. There can surly be a way to legitimize file sharing.
I would also like to add it would have to be the common people who help legitimize it, not big corporations doing it for us.
Again, sorry if I don’t make much sense. I’m terrible with words.
Cox here in the U.S. does the exact same thing. They temporarily shut off my internet about a month ago because Paramount complained I was seeding Sweeney Todd. They told me if it happened repeatedly they’d shut it off permanently.
[quote comment="312114"][quote comment="312009"]sure kiddy porn is fine there but they do this? Those wacky chinks…[/quote]
If you’re going to racialy slur a nation at least get it right dumbass, it’s Nips. Chinks are Chinese, not Japanese.[/quote]
seriously get your racial slurs right because you made yourself look like a major idiot.
The entertainment and software industries are powerful and have lots of money. Face it. Most of the people who share files do not have money and that is why the are “sharing”. If it is copyrighted material that is shared, it is illegal. More individuals in these industries are demanding their share of the pie from electronic media. Expect more crackdowns as the companies try to maximize their profits. More web crawling software. More lawsuits. Lawyers REALLY like money too.
This won’t hurt the ISP’s like you guys think it will. Only a fraction of the customers are in this hardcore. The casual uploaders/downloaders will probably stop, and everyone else (the majority) won’t be affected at all.
People need to stop being in denial about privacy issues as well. You have no privacy NOW. All of you file sharers that start making noise about your “rights” are just attracting attention to yourselves in a very bad way. Privacy does not trump profit, especially when the “privacy proponents” are just using that argument as a cover for illegal activities.
Some of the previous commentors seem to be confused.
This ISP is NOT doing the detection, it is the copyright holder that must NOTIFY THE ISP. No, the ISP isn’t going to watch your traffic for p2p or too much encrypted traffic etc etc, so don’t worry about that. It will essentially still be the status-quo as far as detection of piracy, because copyright holders already send notices to ISPs all the damn time, based on IPs they gather in torrents or other p2p networks.
What changes is that the ISP is making a policy to kick you off after you hit a certain threshold for complaints over time. A pretty fucking stupid business decision IMO to take reports from a third-party at face value without any sort of scrutiny. It’s a good way to alienate your customer base.
They think customers don’t talk to each other, but I’d bet for every ONE they kick off they lose at least three more off bad publicity.
I’m willing to bet that the smaller ISP’s in Japan are going to get a LOT bigger…
Hmm time for japanese file sharers to pay for VPN services..
It’s all in vain, regardless. ISPs all over think they can catch their users pirating content and they probably will catch some unsuspecting ones but they won’t be able to catch the craftier ones. Lets face it, they can spend all day and night, 7 days a week, etc trying to monitor and catch pirates in the act but eventually they’ll be outsmarted.
How many times is it going to take these ISPs to realize they’re going about things all wrong?
Really folks, what else would you expect from a country that continues in the face of international condemnation to hunt whales (for supposedly scientific reasons) and have had their collective brains fried from lethal doses of radiation for decades.
Lets decrease our profit by banning the people paying us! Great idea.
Yeah, that’s great. I smell blood n’ here.
Anyway, If they cut’em p2p they’ll use megaupload or smth else. There’s plenty of possibilities.
Used to work for one of UK’s biggest ISP’s… gotta tell you that NO-ONE in the building gave a rats-arse what their customers did online as long as they did not abuse the bandwidth and thus generate complaints about slow e-mail servers…
In fact…most of my collegues would d/l stuff at home (using the competitors ‘always on – no limnit access) and some would temp ‘increase’ their alloted webspace on their accounts (all employees needed a company account), d/l a movie in the office, go home, d/l the movie to their PC (the company hated macs and offered VERY LIMITED support…) then phone a buddy (on nightshift) and get them to delete the file and reduce their webspace back to default. The next day…lots of 700mg CD’s in the office!
As long as you gave one to the managers…no probs!
X-mas was great…networked FPS in-between very low call volumes!
My point? Only when outside forces come into play (anti-competitive laws, etc) will the ISP do ANYTHING that pisses off the customers/threatens profits.
If Japanese ISP’s have reacted this way, then it must be political or business pressures (conflicts of interest) that provoke the reaction.
[quote comment="312052"]
So if a 10Mbit connect cost 50$, they will downgrade to 512Kbps LoL
so they will pay only 8-9$/month.
Decrease of 90% income for JAP ISP’s
![/quote]
Sorry, but the real world doesn’t work like that (pity). The customers will still pay the full cost of monthly subscriptions but get the lower speed. If/when they phone the helpline, they will be pointed at whatever part of the T&C (Terms & Conditions) of their contract that covers this. Customer with ISP before these new T&C came into affect? No problem. All ISP’s (also banks, etc) have a clause hidden in saying that the T&C can be updated at any time and it is in the customers best interest to check the latest version online frequently. They know that no-one will do this so…
Don’t believe me? Good for you (shows independent thought and intelligence). Check your ISP’s T&C. If you cannot see it then it is in one of the parts of the legal mumbo-jumbo towards the bottom.
What’s that? Unjust? Unfair? Too right! Feel free to find another ISP (they are all the same) but you will have to pay your full term of contract before we let you go. Are you swearing at me sir? I’m afraid that we are not expected to put up with that sir…please calm down. If you have a problem, I can give you the address of our complaints department? Still swearing sir? I’m afraid that we are terminating your service as you have violated the T&C (the part about abusing our staff). Your web access will be terminated immediately and a bill sent for the remainder of your contract. Not going to pay sir? That’s between you and our recovery department. Have a good day!
Think I’m joking? Go work for an ISP. Easy to get in (through an agency). Ask questions then GET OUT like I did before you turn to the dark side…
Guess that’s why they are rich…
P.S. For anyone thinking that there is a legal solution to the above… their lawyers are paid bags of money to make the contracts airtight (they poach the best ones straight out of lawschool by throwing fast cars and big houses at them). Talk about a motivated law firm…
Unfair? Damn straight! If its any consilation though…those ’smug’ helpdesk employees have just found their jobs ‘outsourced’ to India (glad I finished there some time ago).
Who am I? I was the helpdesk employee who DIDN’T put you on hold then terminate the call, DIDN’T pass you to sales when you had a tech enquiry, who KNEW enough about the business to know that he did not know EVERYTHING about how ISP’s work (and found the answer from those who did instead of BS’ing you) and who CALLED you back when he said he would and stayed on the phone until your ISP related fault was fixed…a rare creature indeed!
Encrypt your torrents my Japanese friends.
Someone compile a list of Japanese ISPs that *aren’t* part of that agreement.
[quote comment="312225"]Encrypt your torrents my Japanese friends.[/quote]
Encrypt your torrents my Japanese buddies!
Haha, I love the people posting about 10Mbit and 16Mbit connections …
ADSL at the moment is about 47Mbit, but most of us have pretty cheap fiber 100Mbit connections
They throttled torrents for a while now, but as anything online – there are ways around that :)
[quote comment="312152"]The entertainment and software industries are powerful and have lots of money. Face it. Most of the people who share files do not have money and that is why the are “sharing”. If it is copyrighted material that is shared, it is illegal. More individuals in these industries are demanding their share of the pie from electronic media. Expect more crackdowns as the companies try to maximize their profits. More web crawling software. More lawsuits. Lawyers REALLY like money too.[/quote]
You’re not the sharpest pencil in the box, are you, sweetie?
‘Ineffective’ is far too generous of a word to describe the industry’s “crackdown” on filesharing. The Pirate Bay and HttpShare experienced a record number of visitors after getting “blocked” from Danish and Isreali ISPs, the latter even being forced to upgrade their server to cope with all the traffic. The once ubiquitous anti-P2P juggernaut, MediaDefender, has been struck down deader than a can of spam for their ill-conceived war against filesharing. Even its *parent company* is circling the drain. Comcast is certifiably fux0r3d, simultaneously under investigation by the FCC for blocking BitTorrent usage and facing several class action lawsuits. Sandvine Inc., likewise, finds itself riding the train to Screwedville, with sales down 88%.
And, now what? Nothing but a stillborn agreement between Japan’s four major ISP organisations and the foolhardy dinosaurs of Old Media as they continue down their path to extinction.
Do the software, music, and movie industries of have a lot of money? They sure do, and they’re throwing it to the wind as fast as they possibly can. But, do they have *power*…?
No! God, no! Are you kidding me?
When it comes to fighting P2P – an unwinnable war if there ever was one – they’re about as powerful as an aenemic kitten.
You can try to build them up as big, scary boogeymen all you want. Really. Go right ahead.
But at the end of the day, the facts fly right in your face. The proverbial Emperor is wearing no clothes.
[quote comment="312152"]
This won’t hurt the ISP’s like you guys think it will. Only a fraction of the customers are in this hardcore. The casual uploaders/downloaders will probably stop, and everyone else (the majority) won’t be affected at all.
[/quote]
Tell that to Tele2 and Eircom, two prominent ISPs that are fighting against being forced to block The Pirate Bay and filter P2P by the IFPI. Tell that to the ISP in Dubai that reversed their decision to block Mininova after customers complained and threatned to switch to another service provider. Most of all, you can tell that to my buttcheeks as you kiss my ass.
If putting the breaks on filesharing was as simple as sending out a few preliminary a cease & desist emails, than P2P would be a non-issue.
Wake up and smell the coffee, sleepyhead.
This is truly moronic, and a sad consequence to the livelihood of the Internet, but then I guess when nobody will make a stand against them, the outcome is inevitable.
This is just one of their propaganda tactics, to wear down through sheer volume of complaints. Why not just tell them to shut up and either ignore them or sue them for harassment.
Rabid monkeys should be put down, not encouraged.
Good, time for the pirates to face the fact they are committing crimes.
Shut down all P2P networks that allow people to share copyrighted material.
Oh yes, because they can’t eventually find a way around it.
We ALWAYS find ways around crap. This is just making life more complicated for everyone.
They are not fighting file sharing because of losing profits. They do it out of malicious hearts to wield their power, gain control, cause misery and suffering, and make tidy profits at the same time (bottom line).
They would have nothing at all if not for many years of criminal theft, unmitigated greed, and racketeering. Why would anyone pander to this quasi-legal subhuman entity? I certainly wouldn’t. I tell you why. Bribery, threat and fear.
It would be awesome if someone could compile a list of good ISPs in Tokyo/Japan.
I live in Tokyo and don’t feel like being “banned” from the Internet for downloading a TV show I can’t watch here.
Japan is so weak in resisting corporate pressure. People are so complacent here and take whatever the companies demand. Hence, people work 50-60 hours a week, 6 days a week, with few vacations, for the same pay people make working 40 hours a week elsewhere.
[quote comment="312248"]Good, time for the pirates to face the fact they are committing crimes.
Shut down all P2P networks that allow people to share copyrighted material.[/quote]
Thieves who call others thieves lack credibility
[quote comment="312248"]
Shut down all P2P networks that allow people to share copyrighted material.[/quote]
Do you advocate shutting down the Internet, sweetums? Because that’s what shutting down P2P networks would entail.
Or, owing to your apparent nature of being dumber than a thumbtack, did you fail to think your comment through?
Dear Tokyo-ite. Greetings from Australia. We appreciate all your hard work, and I understand your concern.
I’m sure some of the smart people in Japan will find ways around any such problem. I just hope you don’t have contracts with such ISPs. If so, and people actually get banned, I hope they refuse to pay out their contracts.
Hmm, “special detection software” eh. Sure sounds impressive. :-D
I don’t really see how the proposed actions of these ISPs are really going to be any different than policies many ISPs have had running for years? Maybe if they go all-out and start kicking tons of subscribers off it might make a small dent, though I’d be surprised if it ever amounted to much more than that.
Calm, calm, friends
The ISPs are not stupid, it could be naming manoeuvre of distraction… and yes, for sure some naive will be sacrificed to the altar of the pagan(copyright holders) gods.
For some reason, I am beginning to see a big smile from an internet entrepeneur somewhere in the world: A way to tunnel the connection without the ISPs finding out your filesharing experience.
For now, we have proxies, and other similar techie features. I can only imagine what is in store for web 3.0, web 4.0 and beyond. The sky is the limit, if there is such thing in the internet era.
[quote comment="312105"]> Filesharing is under attack in every
> place around the world. We file
> sharers need unity – not prejudice
>- in these times.
Wen need to organize since our enemy is organized. We need to quickly identify providers that try to censor out private information exchange. We need to leave them in thousands and hurt their MI friendly businesses. On the other side, we need to support providers that take our side and join them in thousands.
Any provider pigs that actively conduct MI friendly censorship need to go bankrupt. Quickly. To set a mark for other providers not to fuck with their customers and censor their communication. They live off our fees and have to serve us as we dictate. If they think that the MI is a better client than filesharers, they should try doing business without filesharers and with filesharers informing their friends and families of the censorship going on.
The moves the industry made in the last few years seem rather suicidal. Now obviously the providers decided to join the suicide train with no obvious goal. Like tha nazis who already 1942 knew they will lose the war, but kept killing and fighting for no obvious reason.[/quote]
I AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get those Japs away from their PC games and back into the workforce. That’s the strategy!
Egalitarian
Naturally
Conforming
Radicals
Yearning
Prophetically
Troubled
Endlessly
Denying
It goes something like this.
Write an encryption enabled P2P software. release for use. while the fool are working on it, another one is being written. they crack it, we release the next one. the cycle continues
I’m about to move to cable internet. yes, it’s becos this DSL is too damn slow. and no, I do not need the extra bandwidth to check emails or watch youtube videos
This is relevant to my interests.
Switch ISP’s immediately. If there is no alternative downgrade your package to the lowest speed you can live with. If you can be satified or put up with it for a while, go back to dial up. I guarantee if everyone did that – things would change very quickly. ISP’s might just have a change of heart.
Many ISPs had to submit to media pressure. Look at UK for instance…still 512k upload speeds and no sign of getting faster. Or what about Australia?
This fact however doesn’t mean the ISPs are activly going to enforce it.
Calling Japanese “Japs” or making rude comments about child porn does not bring anything productive to the discussion. Why not supporting their cause?
Share and Winny already exists ^_^.
Boycott. Its the only solution. If you dont want to pay for proxy services..
it’s funny to see so many “Ban Imigration Greencard Outright Today” members in this thread which is supose to be caring and sharing.
Funnier still is to see so much of the net community being so narrow minded,hypocrytic and stereotyping ppl based on thier skin color/language/etc etc not to mention religion.Especially ppl that keep shouting thier 1st to 5th ammendment…s…
btw,do u guys realiz that everytime u finger-pointing some1,your index finger might point to others,but your middle,ring and little finger is actually pointing to ur self,not to mention ur thumb that point to God!
let’s not forget that usa is one of the country with biggest case of child sex abuse.they even go as far as importing vietnamese little girl/boy and keep them in the atic like a pet.and do i have to mention no.1 pop star?hehe.ocasionally we footage of americans in orange overall,being extradited to/from places like thailand/vietnam/philipines cos they couldnt afford russian/ukranian(white) victims.and recent case of merine that raped minor jap(which some of u called chinks) girls.ah…not to mention pedophile prists..bottom lines–it happen to every countries/race/ideology/etc etc.
funiest being the fact that technology had became sooo cheap that any asshole that *clearly* didnt go to school and cant differentiate between nationality and thier degradtory references.
the 1st one to post always has a tendency to b an asshole,but this one,has stunned me.i saw it as early as the 4th post,but then,he’s just so stupid that left me with nothing to mock. next time,please give me somting to work with….
nice torrent for ur research:
deliver us from evil
human traficking
it’s funny to see so many “Ban Imigration Greencard Outright Today” members in this thread which is supose to be caring and sharing.
Funnier still is to see so much of the net community being so narrow minded,hypocrytic and stereotyping ppl based on thier skin color/language/etc etc not to mention religion.Especially ppl that keep shouting thier 1st to 5th ammendment…s…
btw,do u guys realiz that everytime u finger-pointing some1,your index finger might point to others,but your middle,ring and little finger is actually pointing to ur self,not to mention ur thumb that point to God!
let’s not forget that usa is one of the country with biggest case of child s.x abuse.they even go as far as importing vietnamese little girl/boy and keep them in the atic like a pet.and do i have to mention no.1 pop star?hehe.ocasionally we footage of americans in orange overall,being extradited to/from places like thailand/vietnam/philipines cos they couldnt afford russian/ukranian(white) victims.and recent case of merine that raped minor jap(which some of u called chinks) girls.ah…not to mention pedophile prists..bottom lines–it happen to every countries/race/ideology/etc etc.
funiest being the fact that technology had became sooo cheap that any asshole that *clearly* didnt go to school and cant differentiate between nationality and thier degradtory references.
the 1st one to post always has a tendency to b an asshole,but this one,has stunned me.i saw it as early as the 4th post,but then,he’s just so stupid that left me with nothing to mock. next time,please give me somting to work with….
nice torrent for ur research:
deliver us from evil
human traficking
there is nothing anyone can do to stop the scene
Still can’t see how this can work. With the industries track record at getting it wrong, I can see the lawsuits coming as they disconnect the wrong user or a small business for something they didn’t do.
The internet is becoming a necessity now, not some luxury.
The media industry better be prepared to prove people’s so called copyright infringement in court.
so even if they ban internet users its still a major blow to them <_< though i cant say much but being also part of the file sharing people albeit in another country (philippines) it would still make a huge chain reaction to these people who are both major and minor affected by such a cause and its too also because no one can evade piracy its also a part of life that has started to rise ever since money became the only thing in life that makes the world go round i mean sure its also correct in a way for businesses to run but what about the common people who cant afford such things even how hard they work they wont still be able to enjoy the things they worked hard for … i mean if i could only afford their prices i wont stoop this low <_< and actually buy the real deal
sigh…I was afraid that would happen, the music/software/movie companies banding together. If the book *publishing houses* and the newspaper organizations jump on their bandwagon…they’ll have so much power nothing will stop them.
[quote comment="312325"]it’s funny to see so many “Ban Imigration Greencard Outright Today” members in this thread which is supose to be caring and sharing.
Funnier still is to see so much of the net community being so narrow minded,hypocrytic and stereotyping ppl based on thier skin color/language/etc etc not to mention religion.Especially ppl that keep shouting thier 1st to 5th ammendment…s…
btw,do u guys realiz that everytime u finger-pointing some1,your index finger might point to others,but your middle,ring and little finger is actually pointing to ur self,not to mention ur thumb that point to God!
let’s not forget that usa is one of the country with biggest case of child s.x abuse.they even go as far as importing vietnamese little girl/boy and keep them in the atic like a pet.and do i have to mention no.1 pop star?hehe.ocasionally we footage of americans in orange overall,being extradited to/from places like thailand/vietnam/philipines cos they couldnt afford russian/ukranian(white) victims.and recent case of merine that raped minor jap(which some of u called chinks) girls.ah…not to mention pedophile prists..bottom lines–it happen to every countries/race/ideology/etc etc.
funiest being the fact that technology had became sooo cheap that any asshole that *clearly* didnt go to school and cant differentiate between nationality and thier degradtory references.
the 1st one to post always has a tendency to b an asshole,but this one,has stunned me.i saw it as early as the 4th post,but then,he’s just so stupid that left me with nothing to mock. next time,please give me somting to work with….
nice torrent for ur research:
deliver us from evil
human traficking[/quote]
nice rant
whenever I think of Japanese, I would immediately think of JEJA, Maria Ozawa, Yua Aida and all that 20 straight sex and kiddie porn.
How bad is it when ISP’s start banning their customers.
Anyone know which four ISPs they are talking about. Im sure NTT and YahooBB are two of the four, just dont know the other two.
[quote comment="312350"]Anyone know which four ISPs they are talking about. Im sure NTT and YahooBB are two of the four, just dont know the other two.[/quote]
Probably ImyorBitcha and paydToSarki
[quote comment="312011"]What a truly moronic strategy. ISPs should sell higher priced high volume subscriptions to filesharers, not turn them over on a silver plate to the competition.[/quote]
True; but the dumbasses think the money they are being paid off with from the mafIAA cartels is MORE than the money they are making from the subscribers who are persistently willing to pirate; hell, they may be, I don’t know.
But it is a horrible attack on all digital freedoms, and although I try to respect all people, they have dropped several notches in my esteem.
Incidently, Japan has the single fastest (/par with Sweden,Romania,and South Korea) internet on the planet; if they kick out those who transfer (large,movie&album size) files illegally, then what do they plan on using their infrastructure for?
I mean, their entire excuse for that sick robotics infatuation is that almost everybody in the country is old and about to die, drastically decreasing the population and necessitating an increase of robotics in the workforce;
So here they sit, with the fastest internet in the world, and soon to be their (significantly) lowest population in a half-century, thus currently sitting at and on the verge of enhancing the single best bandwidth/person on the planet, and they attack the single biggest bandwidth usage in the country.
Are these companies suicidal?
Do they like watching FiOs rot?
Are their thumbs stuck so far up their nose, they figure it would be funnier to reject the payments for high bandwidth from an entire country, so they can suck on some mini-care-package from thumbsucking record companies?
Honest to God, what are they gaining here? Even the IFPI was only making a fraction of a billion dollars a year; yet there are several rockstars etc. worth over a billion dollars. How does this make sense?
I am disgusted, angered, and disappointed.
You know in Japan you can buy used panties to smell from a vending machine. Don’t go downloading songs though!
Might come as a shock to some people this but the small percentage of subscribers who transfer large amounts of data often make ISPs no money at all. In fact, it’s often the case that it’s the average light use subscribers subsidising the few heavy users. ISPs are often only too happy to ditch the worst cases, after all, if they can skim the top 5% consumers they could probably support another 50% of your average light users with the same resources.
To those talking about encryption being the answer, you need to do some learning. The article suggests it’ll be the media companies running their “special detection software” (lol) performing the task of identifying acts of infringement, so they’ll just be sat at the other end of your transaction whilst your file-sharing client indiscriminatly fires out data to any client requesting it. There’s as good as nothing preventing the people you exchange data with working on behalf of the media industry, that is unless you’re content with forming miniscule groups of only a few people you implicitly trust. Encryption won’t do jack shit as all it does is prevent the ‘man in the middle’ (anyone/system on-route between you and your remote peer) decyphering your data.
[quote comment="312382"]You know in Japan you can buy used panties to smell from a vending machine. Don’t go downloading songs though![/quote]
That’s insane…
Here’s the dynamic:
Instead of buying a single CD for $20 (of which the artist may get 25 cents), I download fucking EVERYTHING.
Then, I LISTEN to it all.
Then, when I find the GOOD STUFF, I go to their show.
I buy their t-shirt, a button, whatever- because they make more from merchandise than they do from recording contracts and…
THEREIN LIES THE INDICTMENT.
they can use the anonymous
http://offsystem.sf.net
it is not trackable by traffic analysis and content analysis
just anonymous
The “banning law” was rejected in Sweden, for now.
Some excellent photos for wallpapers:
http://rapidshare.com/files/98182564/excellent_photos.rar
Some excellent photos for wallpapers:
http://rapidshare.com/files/97986349/Some_very__good_photos_for_10000_bc.rar
consumers, not fat dicks in suits, should make the laws.
im talkin about politicians.
did anybodys country let , i say ‘let’ the people have a vote on the cannabis laws?
no?
anyone?
now is the time.
im talkin ddos attacks, and letter bombs.
fuck ‘em.let them know roger aint gettin oppressed no more…….
‘infringement’!?, dont mind if i fuckin do.
does anyone here actually THINK that posting on TF gets results.Anyone?
IRC for plotting, chkdsk rlslog n1gg4.
r0g3r w177 m337 u th373………..
this ones called, dont trust those NIGGURZ over dayyer!
Animes will be worst hit
Did anyone who commented here actually read the fucking article?
THE ISP IS NOT GOING TO MONITOR YOUR TRAFFIC you dumbasses.
They will still be relying on COPYRIGHT HOLDERS to report IPs to the ISP. So NOTHING CHANGES in this regard. Traffic encryption won’t protect you, but using a proxy will.
The only thing that is ‘news’ here is that the ISPs are going to start kicking people off if they generate too many complaints. So in other words, you don’t even need to worry about anything until mass amounts of complaints start rolling in, then just use a proxy/vpn or switch ISPs and start fresh.
For the comprehension challenged, I repeat: THE ISP IS NOT GOING TO BE MONITORING CUSTOMERS TRAFFIC! Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows this is unfeasible anyways.
Goddamn I’m revolted by how stupid people in the scene are these days.
[quote comment="312418"]Here’s the dynamic:
Instead of buying a single CD for $20 (of which the artist may get 25 cents), I download fucking EVERYTHING.
Then, I LISTEN to it all.
Then, when I find the GOOD STUFF, I go to their show.
I buy their t-shirt, a button, whatever- because they make more from merchandise than they do from recording contracts and…
THEREIN LIES THE INDICTMENT.[/quote]
+1
[quote comment="312076"][quote comment="312070"]Stop using public p2p & encrypt transfers, you can be anonymous.[/quote]
what if they see a huge surge in encrypted traffic to your computer and cut you off based on that?[/quote]
be smart (like me) and start now,
i’ve been using encrypted traffic for years now ;)
Wonder if the ISPs are prepared for the revenue hit the disconnection of all the file sharers will cause ? And who will they serve when there are no subscribers ?
awww shiz. I get all of my music via illegal downloads, spesh from Japan.
I see sites like CDJapan having a massive profit in the future.
[quote comment="312218"]Used to work for one of UK’s biggest ISP’s… gotta tell you that NO-ONE in the building gave a rats-arse what their customers did online as long as they did not abuse the bandwidth and thus generate complaints about slow e-mail servers…
In fact…most of my collegues would d/l stuff at home (using the competitors ‘always on – no limnit access) and some would temp ‘increase’ their alloted webspace on their accounts (all employees needed a company account), d/l a movie in the office, go home, d/l the movie to their PC (the company hated macs and offered VERY LIMITED support…) then phone a buddy (on nightshift) and get them to delete the file and reduce their webspace back to default. The next day…lots of 700mg CD’s in the office!
As long as you gave one to the managers…no probs!
X-mas was great…networked FPS in-between very low call volumes!
My point? Only when outside forces come into play (anti-competitive laws, etc) will the ISP do ANYTHING that pisses off the customers/threatens profits.
If Japanese ISP’s have reacted this way, then it must be political or business pressures (conflicts of interest) that provoke the reaction.
[quote comment="312052"]
So if a 10Mbit connect cost 50$, they will downgrade to 512Kbps LoL
so they will pay only 8-9$/month.
Decrease of 90% income for JAP ISP’s
![/quote]
Sorry, but the real world doesn’t work like that (pity). The customers will still pay the full cost of monthly subscriptions but get the lower speed. If/when they phone the helpline, they will be pointed at whatever part of the T&C (Terms & Conditions) of their contract that covers this. Customer with ISP before these new T&C came into affect? No problem. All ISP’s (also banks, etc) have a clause hidden in saying that the T&C can be updated at any time and it is in the customers best interest to check the latest version online frequently. They know that no-one will do this so…
Don’t believe me? Good for you (shows independent thought and intelligence). Check your ISP’s T&C. If you cannot see it then it is in one of the parts of the legal mumbo-jumbo towards the bottom.
What’s that? Unjust? Unfair? Too right! Feel free to find another ISP (they are all the same) but you will have to pay your full term of contract before we let you go. Are you swearing at me sir? I’m afraid that we are not expected to put up with that sir…please calm down. If you have a problem, I can give you the address of our complaints department? Still swearing sir? I’m afraid that we are terminating your service as you have violated the T&C (the part about abusing our staff). Your web access will be terminated immediately and a bill sent for the remainder of your contract. Not going to pay sir? That’s between you and our recovery department. Have a good day!
Think I’m joking? Go work for an ISP. Easy to get in (through an agency). Ask questions then GET OUT like I did before you turn to the dark side…
Guess that’s why they are rich…
P.S. For anyone thinking that there is a legal solution to the above… their lawyers are paid bags of money to make the contracts airtight (they poach the best ones straight out of lawschool by throwing fast cars and big houses at them). Talk about a motivated law firm…
Unfair? Damn straight! If its any consilation though…those ’smug’ helpdesk employees have just found their jobs ‘outsourced’ to India (glad I finished there some time ago).
Who am I? I was the helpdesk employee who DIDN’T put you on hold then terminate the call, DIDN’T pass you to sales when you had a tech enquiry, who KNEW enough about the business to know that he did not know EVERYTHING about how ISP’s work (and found the answer from those who did instead of BS’ing you) and who CALLED you back when he said he would and stayed on the phone until your ISP related fault was fixed…a rare creature indeed![/quote]
Its usually hard to believe people like you exist.
But you do.
Thank you.
[quote comment="312333"]sigh…I was afraid that would happen, the music/software/movie companies banding together. If the book *publishing houses* and the newspaper organizations jump on their bandwagon…they’ll have so much power nothing will stop them.[/quote]
No, book publishing is a dying (or at least recessing) business [only a small fraction of people aged 3-30 read books], and online news has been making major inroads over printed [many fewer people today get international newspapers then did 10 years ago, at least in my experience]. I consider this unfortunate, because print is much more credible than digital, and the two should complement each other, not dominate each other.
But my point is, all of the other industries working together has not stemmed the flow or even growth of file-sharing, even after many hundreds of millions of dollars, tens of thousands of lawsuits, birthing several detection&enforcement agencies, and attacking a dozen sovereign nations’ civil governments and legal systems.
The addition of two crippled, marginalized, and possibly dying outside distributors is not, in my opinion, going to sway the tide in their favor.
[quote comment="312504"]consumers, not fat dicks in suits, should make the laws.
im talkin about politicians.
did anybodys country let , i say ‘let’ the people have a vote on the cannabis laws?
no?
anyone?
now is the time.
im talkin ddos attacks, and letter bombs.
fuck ‘em.let them know roger aint gettin oppressed no more…….[/quote]
FYI, they shake off DDoS attacks like water off a ducks back;
if you want them to sit up, freak out, start screaming and grab a gun though, raid their databases.
then, maybe, publish them.
Remember, Sony owns a huge amount of the pirated content.
The problem with trying to stop piracy is that honest file-sharers will be hurt in the process. One good lawsuit from a legitimate file-sharer could put an end to this nonsense.
You don’t know much about how Japan workd now do you???
I love the Japanese! Theeir humbleness, acquiessence, single-mindedness, obedience, devotion, uniformity, …. That’s whi I told my wife that if I ever remarry my next will be a japanese girl! I can already feel her toes in my back! Ahhhh.
http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com
me chinese me no liky pirat3z me gunna shut yoz ispee
me chinese me no liky pirat3z me gunna shut yoz ispee …
me chinese me no liky pirat3z me gunna shut yoz ispee ,m,,
me chinese me no liky pirat3z me gunna shut yoz ispee ,,ng
Get some legit torrents up that are titled the same as the next big movie, have them tracked and hope to get banned. Sue the fuckers and end the war.
The new excellent plan will again fail to stop filesharing. In a related development, pigs will still fail to fly.
I predict this every time and it turns to be right every time.
[quote comment="312009"]sure kiddy porn is fine there but they do this? Those wacky chinks…[/quote]
yup, seems to be. japan’s double standards suck!!!
[quote comment="312639"]Wonder if the ISPs are prepared for the revenue hit the disconnection of all the file sharers will cause ? And who will they serve when there are no subscribers ?[/quote]
lolll…ha ha ha
excellent point raised
u know what. i think that japanese would/should stop watching American movies( read as MPAA).
I think Japanese, Korean and some European movies are examples of far honest film making than most of the shit vomited out from Hollywood.
Proof:
Checkout
1. 200 Pounds beauty,
2. One Missed Call/ Ringu
3. The Band’s Visit
All in all, there are not that many big internet users. The only ones they should ban are the ones hosting the big files and doing constant transfers at high speeds. Those are the ones hosting the big files. I mean each and every individual users like us don’t download files constantly or every single movie, song etc. The casuals I meant… The others who do, are usually the ones doing the hosting or are providing storage for the ’scene’. The way I see it, if ISP’s start downgrading there high speeds, it’ll eventually pay off when DVD dies out and Blu-Ray becomes standard. If you think about it, internet is mainly used for freedom of information but where does all this unnecessary added BW come from? Like giving a casual car over 100 mph. No needs to drive that fast unless they are racers, speeders etc. I mean no highway states over 120 at the most. Blame the ISP for offereing supreme bw speeds for all time low price. They started it and now they want to stop it. In the real sense, all of us need no more than 10mbit and those 100mbit should only be used for other means.
http://himazuj.blogspot.com/2008/03/japanese-isps-to-ban-file-sharers-not.html
probably the reason why i can’t connec t to most of the seeds from japan, 14(3445)seeds & 80(257)tracked on dattebayo.com (naruto) bleh!
Is this new? I’ve received a letter in the past from my (ex-)ISP basically saying I’ve been caught file-sharing, listing the files they knew I had and telling me to stop or I’d have my connection terminated. I really can’t see how this is a drastic measure considering it’s pretty much how things are dealt with everywhere else.
good no more anime shit eating the bandwidth
I think the ISP’s would love the early disconnection fees.
oh noes!!!
my naruto
lmao!
Have fun being the NET police…
Once this starts happening to a mass populace, someone will figure a way a around it.
The human race is more resilient then
they seem….
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