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Meganomics: The Future of “Follow-the-Money” Copyright Enforcement

As last week’s arrest of Megaupload owner Kim Dotcom emphasized, the main character in the SOPA/PIPA debate is the foreign ‘thief’. He’s everywhere—robbing Americans of their creativity, jobs, and money. Worse, he’s enjoying himself. As the Chamber of Commerce put it: “The criminals behind these sites are laughing all the way to the bank, stealing the best of American creativity and innovation at the expense of our jobs and consumers.”

kimStrictly speaking, the top five pirated films of the year were Fast Five, The Hangover II, Thor, Source Code, and I am Number Four. It’s not a ‘best of’ list, exactly, but that’s a different story.

Even most opponents of SOPA/PIPA maintain a common front on this issue: the foreign thief must be stopped. Chris Dodd is right about this: the only public debate is about how.

For the past few years, Kim Dotcom (nee Schmitz) has been the MPAA’s go-to example of the foreign thief. Dotcom is a flamboyant hacker/entrepreneur with a fraud conviction, a penchant for fake names, and a fortune built, like many new media fortunes, in the grey areas of IP law. Megaupload was one of the first cloud storage or ‘cyberlocker’ services, and is routinely ranked in the global top 50 in traffic. There is little doubt that it hosted a lot of infringing media. There is doubt about the extent to which Megaupload encouraged this, and how that affects their liability for infringement.

The Megaupload case has important legal implications. Mike Masnick has a very good rundown, but let’s focus on two. The case will certainly challenge the scope of the “safe harbor” from liability afforded online storage providers—a very important issue in an era of cheap, ubiquitous cloud services. It will also be a front in the government’s (and, more particularly, MPAA’s) push to shift from an ex post model of enforcement, involving notification and takedown requests when infringing content is identified, to an ex ante model based on the surveillance and filtering of user activity.

If this sounds familiar, it’s because it is also fundamentally at stake in SOPA, and raises all the same censorship and free speech issues. Holding Megaupload liable for failing to monitor and filter user activity for infringement, for example, would compel monitoring across a wide range of web services, from search to social media. And that would mark a very fundamental shift in the freedoms associated with the Internet. SOPA and the Megaupload case are part of this long game.

The Megaupload indictment is also a public effort to cast a villain in the file sharing story: to prove that someone, other than consumers, benefits from piracy. Kim Dotcom’s arrest—with all of his luxury cars on prominent display—is about making the case not only for abstract losses to industry but also theft from industry. We’ve repeatedly taken issue with the industry calculation of losses, most of which are fictional. But let’s ask the narrower question. Who is the foreign thief, and how much is he stealing?

As usual when talking about piracy, there are lots of claims but very few hard numbers. The revenue estimates that do circulate in file sharing cases are notable, however, for their miniscule size compared to the 10s or, occasionally, 100s of billions in losses claimed by industry groups. Here are a few examples…

  • The Swedish trial of The Pirate Bay trial in 2009 became an occasion for all sorts of competing estimates of revenues. Record industry group IFPI estimated the site’s revenues at $3 million per year. The MPAA described $5 million in revenues. But prosecutors endorsed a much lower number: $170,000 from advertising (against what the defense characterized as $112,000/year in server/bandwidth costs and $100,000 per year in revenue). This is for a site that appears consistently among the top 100 visited sites in the world.
  • NinjaVideo, a Brooklyn-based movie indexing site whose owners were arrested in 2011, was alleged by prosecutors to have made $500,000 in 2½ years. After the site began to make money, the four administrators split the revenue, netting around $33,000/year each after expenses. Hana Beshara, the site’s primary owner, was sentenced to 22 months in prison under the US No Electronic Theft (NET) Act.
  • Brian McCarthy, the owner of Channelsurfing.net, a Texas-based sports streaming site, was alleged by prosecutors to have made $90,000 over five years. He also faces jail time and fines under the NET Act.
  • Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) made some partial revenue estimates for targets of its 2010 domain name seizure program, Operation In Our Sites, based on information from advertising network Valueclick. According to ICE investigators, Torrentfinder, a BitTorrent site, made about $15,000 in ad revenue from Valueclick over a year in 2008-2009. Onsmash, a music link site, made around $2,500 in 2009-2010.

The ICE numbers aren’t complete accounts, but they met the traditional definition of “commercial” copyright infringement that justified the criminal charge (US District Court Case # 10-2822). What they don’t do is describe a very lucrative or, in any other respects, criminal business.

This is a point we’ve made repeatedly regarding the incentives for criminal involvement in piracy. We see little evidence that there’s much money to be made from it—especially as the costs of setting up and running such sites decline. It’s very likely that the larger sites generate significant revenues from advertising—indeed even in the torrent admin community (see below) it’s assumed that the handful of top sites generate six and even seven-figure revenues annually. But at any given time there are only a few such sites. And even accepting the IFPI estimates, it’s chickenfeed. The top 5 pirated films, for comparison made $2 billion last year. The (non-overlapping) top 5 grossing movies made nearly $5 billion. Piracy generates an overwhelmingly consumer, not criminal, surplus.

It’s easy to see how Kim Dotcom got rich by being an early entrant in the cloud storage market, in the only part of the business that required a lot of large file transfers. (Much the same is true of broadband adoption, for which piracy has always been the early killer app—especially outside the US where legal web services are still underdeveloped.)

As a subscription business selling a scarce commodity, Megaupload’s revenues were many times larger than the largest torrent or link sites. In 2010, execs at Paramount Pictures estimated (in testimony to Congress) its profits at between $41 million and $300 million per year, with the range reflecting different assumptions about its subscription rate. The Justice Department’s recent indictment put the number below the low end of the range—committing to only $175 million in total revenues since 2005–under $30 million/year–and reflecting a roughly 7-1 split between subscriptions and advertising. There are no estimates of how much of this came from legal sources.

In contrast, it’s hard to see how this model remains lucrative. Storage costs are falling rapidly, and there are no barriers to entry or significant network effects. For a comparable market, look to the highly competitive web hosting business rather than search engines or operating systems, which have more characteristics of natural monopolies. Many companies–including Megaupload–already give large amounts of storage away. Many compete for “premium” users, either with inducements or bundling with other services.

The sum of Megaupload’s activities may well satisfy a court that it encouraged large-scale copyright infringement, and therefore should be held liable. But Megaupload’s survival is not the main concern: it’s what happens when all storage is mirrored in the cloud. It’s whether we’ll monitor and police the core features of the web: storage, linking, and search.

The Torrent Admins Survey

Now that the nerds have (provisionally) won the argument that DNS blocking could break the Internet, attention will turn to “follow the money” enforcement strategies—especially those targeting advertising and payment systems. We might ask, in this context, what “follow the money” looks like in a sector where there are few barriers to entry and costs are falling toward zero?

To find out more, we prepared a short survey of torrent site administrators, which was circulated through torrent admin lists and IRC channels by some trusted intermediaries. We received 11 responses to our survey—most of them anonymous; most of them ‘vouched for’ by our partners; and most of them anonymized through various services. We neither asked for nor received identifying information. This is, in other words, a small sample with some big caveats (such as selection bias). Nonetheless, the responses tell an interesting story.

Responses came from a pretty wide spectrum of sites, including:

  • 2 that receive over 10 million visits per month
  • 2 that receive 2-10 million visits per month
  • 2 that receive 500,000 – 2 million visits per month
  • 2 that receive 25,000-100,000 visits per month
  • 2 that receive less than 25,000 visits per month.
  • 1 that did not specify traffic

To provide some reference points, the two current largest torrent sites—the Pirate Bay and Torrentz—receive roughly 88 million visits/month and 46 million visits/month respectively (according to Google Adwords. There are claims that this significantly undershoots traffic on those sites.) Although cyberlocker sites like Megaupload and Mediafire now outdraw torrent sites by a wide margin, the latter remain a good indicator of the cost structure—and costs of entry—of large scale file sharing. BitTorrent is now a thoroughly commoditized technology, running on low cost hardware with freely available software. Cyberlockers are slightly further behind.

How much does running a torrent site cost? The largest site in our survey, with over 10 million visits per month, was also the most expensive. It reported server and bandwidth costs of $25,000-$30,000 per year. Most of the sites operate on less than $10,000 per year. A couple of the smaller ones were under $3,000.

How much money do these sites make, and how? Of the eleven responses, only the largest site used advertising. It reported a roughly break-even operation, with costs covered in most months by advertising. The other ten do not use advertising. These are typically the smaller, private trackers that require invitations to join—a category that nonetheless reaches into the millions of visits per month.

Eight indicated that they meet the majority of their expenses through member donations. Only one indicated that it fully met expenses this way. Only one earned additional income through affiliate links. The balance typically comes out of the pockets of the site administrators.

Although we received less information on staffing, several indicated that they operated entirely with volunteer labor—in a couple cases involving communities of a dozen or more administrators. This is the norm among smaller, private sites.

The picture that emerges from the survey is one of financially fragile but low cost operations, dependent on volunteer labor, subsidized by users and founders, and characterized by a strong sense of mission to make work more widely available within fan communities. Few such sites make or seek to make money. Many are specialized communities exchanging media of particular types, genres, or languages. A site like NinjaVideo began this way, but grew into a larger, revenue-making operation.

Rights holder pressure on payment systems is not new, but it has been ad hoc. Credit card companies were enlisted in the mid 2000s, when the record industry group IFPI waged war against the (nominally legal) Russian pay-download site AllofMP3. Industry threats against safe harbor provisions for payment providers played an important role in this process. No payment provider wants to tangle with industry lawyers on behalf of an accused infringing site, even if there is no legal basis for cutting off service. Few accused sites are able to lawyer up to respond. Strict legality doesn’t make much difference in such contexts. One site administrator showed us a letter from a payment provider terminating service based on a DMCA complaint—a law that makes no such provisions.

SOPA and PIPA legalize these strategies and make them much easier to use. Under SOPA, rights holders gain a strong right of “private action” that allows them to issue cut off letters directly to advertising services and payment systems. The latter must cut off service or face secondary liability for infringement. Under SOPA, moreover, neither the payment system nor the rights holder is liable for damages from any mistaken or overly broad actions. The “safe harbor,” under these circumstances, is repurposed to empower the complainant rather than the user.

Independent of the potential for collateral damage, SOPA and PIPA are best understood as collections of harassment measures for pirate sites, rather than any sort of “solution” to piracy. A loss of advertising revenue would harm some file sharing sites—especially the larger, more public sites that have grown into advertising-dependent commercial operations. The loss of primary payment systems such as PayPal would complicate life for the smaller torrent sites, but wouldn’t cut off revenues: there are many ways to manage the modest donation systems that keep these sites in business.

Some parts of the file sharing ecology, consequently would be vulnerable to payment system attacks. But the overall impact is likely to be low. Much of the file sharing ecology already operates at very low cost, on minimal revenue. Much of the labor is volunteer—with advertising and the “professionalization” of staff a matter of choice rather than necessity. And infrastructure costs are falling.

We talk about the efficacy of enforcement at some length in our Media Piracy report. Many readers have concluded that enforcement doesn’t work. But that isn’t what we say. We say, rather, that we’ve found no evidence that it has worked. The main factors shaping piracy are price, income, and the declining cost of technology–and that will remain the case. But it seems entirely possible that some impact can be bought at a high enough price. The numerous critiques of SOPA and PIPA provide a good idea of that price—a broken, arbitrary, copyright surveillance regime and an Internet culture reorganized around the established content providers.

The Commercial Scale Standard

In most national copyright laws, criminal law applies only to copyright infringement on a “commercial” scale. Traditionally, commercial scale referred not to the number of copies made, but to financial benefit derived from it. (Infringement that doesn’t meet the criminal standard can still be addressed through civil law, as tens of thousands of file sharers in the US and Europe have learned.) In the past 15 years, digital technologies made a mess of this distinction. When copying was capital intensive and required a factory, scale and profit went together. But in an era of ever cheaper copies and storage, the two are delinked. What to do, then, with the commercial standard?

The US response in the 1997 NET Act was to expand the definition of commercial infringement to include the unauthorized digital receipt of anything of value, subject to an exemption up to $1000. Without the for-profit requirement, the door opened—in theory—to criminal prosecution of a much wider array of participants in file sharing. The exchange of a bunch of albums or a few copies of software can easily qualify. In practice, the NET Act has been applied not to consumer-level sharing, but to intermediaries—initially members of mostly non-commercial “warez” groups engaged in cracking software, and more recently to marginally commercial intermediaries like Hana Beshara and Brian McCarthy. (The expanded criminal model is also being exported abroad without the de minimis exceptions, through trade agreements and new enforcement treaties like ACTA).

In our view, this is a bad way to resolve the confusion around the commercial standard. It dramatically expands criminal liability without any corresponding intention of enforcing it. Law enforcement, under such circumstances, becomes arbitrary and easily captured by private parties. Industry lobbying secures funding for enforcement agencies and enforcement agencies return the favor, turning to stakeholders for staffing, planning, and cost sharing. Personnel flows between the two, anchored in the understanding that government service is rewarded later in the private sector.

The US Attorney leading the Megaupload case, for example, is Neil MacBride, former head of enforcement for the Business Software Alliance. The Obama transition brought at least five RIAA lawyers to the Department of Justice. The Megaupload indictment, both in its tone and its kitchen sink approach to infringement, could have been written by the MPAA. The distinction has become a formality.

So what to do? As long as we have a culture organized around copyright, there should be ways to define and police violations of it. But our current definitions needs a rethink. There is ample reason to see unauthorized copying and file-sharing as inevitable in the digital era and more–as inextricable from the core features of general computing and the Internet. The law should recognize this because doing so protects the wider set of freedoms to express and innovate that build on those features. Both individuals and companies should be accorded wide latitude in their use. That said, there is no reason to defend piracy as a profit-making activity.

So one place to start might be to ditch the NET Act and SOPA and restore a narrower commercial scale standard for criminal infringement, along with a less draconian set of penalties for the times when it is invoked. Such a standard would make profit the trigger, and make that the basis for any follow-the-money actions against payment systems or advertisers. This bar could be set high enough to exempt the marginal member-subsidized torrent sites, since these are little more than group implementations of search, store, and link–the building blocks of the web. They cost little today and less tomorrow.

But the bar could also be low enough to encompass sites that start to generate a lot of money. Drawing such distinctions could help restore a useful middle ground—retaining a threshold for enforcement while rejecting both the universal liability envisioned in the Net Act and the universal surveillance implied in SOPA. It would better align the law with the actual capabilities of law enforcement to enforce, and thereby make enforcement less arbitrary. And it would help articulate a much wider zone of personal freedom to copy, based on a recognition of the wider importance of unhindered, unmonitored use the core capacities of the web.

A reinvigorated commercial standard won’t end piracy. Nothing short of a copyright surveillance state would, to any significant degree. But the commercial standard would help drive file sharing into the non-commercial economy, leaving more room for creative, legal, low-cost commercial alternatives. That’s not a sufficient definition of copyright reform, but it may be a necessary step if we’re to bring law into line with the basic economics of our digital culture. The law can’t eliminate piracy, but it can help make it irrelevant.

Addendum: Regarding the monetary harm of Megaupload’s activities, the Justice Department characterized it, without explanation, as “well in excess of $500,000,000” since 2006. And although that number is probably meant to impress, it’s somewhat baffling. Even without a per annum breakdown, it comes nowhere near the annual piracy losses claimed by the major industry groups—whether the BSA’s $58 billion loss claims for software losses in 2010 or the “conservative” $26 billion estimate for movie, music, and software piracy from 2007, which lazy journalists still allow to circulate. This for the site that MPAA called “By all estimates… the largest and most active criminally operated website targeting creative content in the world.”

Since we’re using made up numbers here, let’s make up some more–and for the sake of argument, some extremely favorable ones for the Justice Department’s effort to paint Megaupload as the big bad. Posit that all $500 million in losses came in 2011. Posit the $26 billion loss number. Megaupload’s contribution to the pirate economy tops out at 2%.

About The Author

Joe Karaganis is the vice president at The American Assembly at Columbia University and former Program Director at the Social Science Research Council

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  • ? ?

    In the internet world , buy content needs free , buy service needs money . Kim Dotcom is hero .

    • RAHRAHRAH

      and currently in jail.

      • Anonymous

        A temporary set-back.

        Soon he will win his case, sue the US for trillions, bankrupt the already weak country, be declared King to settle the debt, renames the country United States of Dotcom…

        … and then you all live on as Dotcommies. ;-)

        • Gargamel

          If your dumb enough to believe the crap you just wrote I have a bridge to sell you.

        • Guest

          @Gargamel: Nope he is 100% correct and not being sarcastic.

        • Freedumb

          The US are like statues of Hindu gods dipped into the Ganges river during Indian festivals. You think they are culturally significant, but then the lead paint they are coated with seeps into the water the villagers bathe in and drink each day.

        • Therealdraconite

          WE CAN ALL HOPE

      • Viking

        Even heard the word “martyr” ?

      • Gulm0

        So? Who some of the memorable heroes were actually in jail time to time! Or, are you just another loser who can’t stop the flow of envious thoughts towards the obese man enjoying a better life?!!

        Did you ever consider how do the corporate people live? Is it your argument that selling $1 thing in $20 with the support of media & people resources is justice because your law allows it to?! Or, may be because “most” people isn’t asking to stir anything against the wave is making you so sure!

        Kim, himself may not be an good idol, but Megaupload is & for that he is a “Hero”. You have to be a greatly ignorant douche if you deny that. Well may be when your laptops searched over a warrant to be scrutinized through every private moments of yours to find fingerprint/s of anything copyrighted, then you will understand the scenario. That day is not too far as it is now.

      • Predator

        FREE HANA BESHARA!

        • LOL

          Duplicate (i.e. spam) post flagged for deletion.

          Also, screw that data-selling fugly biotch…

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PXX4S66KOUIGIKTTIMV3CBGO7Y Colin

          You’ve said it often enough. It may be sad but it ain’t gonna happen until she’s due for release. Also, you’re off topic.
          Try moving on to something new if your brain has the original thought plugin installed.

    • Gargamel

      Kim Dotcom is a piece of $hit that profited off file sharing and piracy.

      Fuck him.

      • Guest

        +100

        • Guest

          Now you congratulate yourself? Log in to the next mental institution!

        • Guest

          You talking to yourself bro?

      • Oomg

        haha i love how you guys come here when piss off … YOU HAVE FAIL AND WILL FAIL AGAIN !

        • Guest

          Oh Ya Gargamel/Guest?

        • Kkeok

          Fail ?
          Megaupload has been in use for 8 YEARS !
          Rapidshare is still in use nowadays.
          And there’s a thousand of alternatives.
          Piracy on the internet as itself has been in use for more than 15 years and it will never stop, NEVER !
          So who fails ?

      • Guest

        I know ‘what you have downloaded’ from Megaupload

      • Guest

        Go away corporate contractor troll!

        We told you countless time that nobody care about your fake for hire opinions. And there is no need to change your name. We know when it’s you since you are the only one.

      • Anonymous

        Ah…you mean just like hollywood profited off piracy?

        Wait….Don’t they still “steal” money through “Hollywood accounting”? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting

        I’ll take the “mega conspiracy” over the hollywood conspiracy thanks.

        I’m against copyright infringement for profit, that is – selling copyrighted works or advocating copyright infringement for profit.

        Did Mega sell copyrighted work? NO
        Did Mega advocate infringement? NO

        They built and provided a service, a very popular service at that.

      • Asd

        like CBS and CNet, but they have profited in the billions

    • Anon

      The US is like a plastic bag. Born out of pollution and chemical processing, it asphyxiates anyone you place under it.

      • Nona

        The US is like the rainforest. It looks inviting and colorful, but when you venture inside, your blood is sucked by leeches and you lose your mind to fever.

        • http://www.facebook.com/hopeyoufsckingdie Hope You Die

          Life is like a box of chocolates.

        • Tyrone Biggums

          Life is like a ho ass ho, she’ll fellate you one minute and castrate you the next

    • Fraseralbie

      he’s asshole no 1

    • Guest

      Oh look at all these entertainment industry corporate parasites and these bankers co-conspirators who were laughing all the way to the bank!

      Now let’ see them crying all the way to the gallow!

      Let’s kill all these parasites! Let’s kill them all!!

      • Guest

        Corporate troll. Ignore.

      • Resin

        Pay trolls inciting violence aren’t welcome here. I’ll ask nicely, on behalf on many people here; Please leave. It’s not an order, it’s not a demand, only a request. We don’t like it when MAFIAA employees try to start violence here, so please stop.

    • ??????

      ??????

    • Anon

      I don’t know if Dotcom is a hero but he shouldn’t be convicted of the charges against him. Hopefully all that money he earned will get him out of this, even though he shouldn’t have to fight this. Anyone ever try Tixati? You can share stuff and chat, it’s a lot of fun. And since the channels are decentralized, the stuff you share can’t be removed. They can be found at http://www.tixati.com for anyone interested in checking them out.

  • Anonymous

    Here is a nice new Kim Dotcom video…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=YVZTIuyzbEY

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002639684444 Ryan Smith

    Nicely written, Joe Karaganis. Perhaps it is time to get the RIAA and big media out of the Dept of Justice that enforces copyright law.

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Get-Big-Media-out-of-Government/272917322773530

    • BitShrik

      This is one of the best-written articles on file sharing I’ve ever read, and it couldn’t have been written at a better time. Excellent work, Joe Karaganis.

      • http://twitter.com/Viralindustries Viral Industries

        @bitshrik – correct, now more than ever we need people like @Mr. karaganis with the mental, and communicative faculties to initiate the proper message behind reform. Now more than ever we all need to understand both sides of the fence, or we all will fall victim to our emotions and continue this war over ownership vs. content

    • http://twitter.com/Viralindustries Viral Industries

      Agreed @Ryan, this is a useful piece to help us all to work together towards a solution free from private or public malice sustained by political ignorance. Tarzan Sharif has liked your page, we at Vi would be delighted to join in with your cause.

  • JSaldiano

    Fuck Kim Dotcom, the fat fuck.

    • fucklamarsmith

      Fuck Lamar Smith, he looks like an old, pedophile bastard…and fuck the USA.

    • Kim Dotcom, also known as God

      Stay mad, haters.

    • Zorro

      Me too I can post a lot of pro-corporate shits under different names!

      Stop trolling. You are wasting your time! Everyone known it is only you!

  • Anon

    They are prolly also including series that have been pirated. Well, I, for one am pirating most of the US series. Why? Because they are not available for viewing (or even purchasing) here.

    Here in the Netherlands we’ve got some great distribution platforms (RTLXL for example) which will let you “view” any missed series for 1.30 euro.

    I was just discussing this with my girlfriend, we would’ve paid too see the entire Nikita series (HBO), even if that ment 15 episodes x 1.30 EUR = 20 EUROS.

    Problem? There are no deals with HBO as for now, and the only shit we’r getting is bad series from 10 years ago (bold and the beautiful, anyone ?).

    They brought most of this shit on themselves – piracy would occur way less if they’d start making content available..!

    • Feet

      Oh god, Dutch TV isn’t still showing “The Bold and the Beautiful” is it?
      20 years ago when I worked in the bulb fields, this crap was on.

      And in regards to proper distribution, exactly.
      How many of us pay for usenet and vpns?
      We aren’t averse to spending money if we have to, we just have to get value for what we spend

      • Onony

        Dutch TV still shows episodes from 3 years ago. also Coronation Street 10 years ago.
        They never showed Days of our lives, General Hospital, All my children, One life to live and so many other shows.
        Only Young and Restless was on RTL8 for a few months before they canceled it
        Also so many good series, are aired randomly, without having any feeling to follow a Serie ASAP without any interuption.

        Fuck the Entertainment Industry, and let them feel how we feel.

    • Oomg

      you should just stop using/buying any us stuff period

    • Anon-USA

      I don’t appreciate all the Anti-American sentiment here but I will speak as an American and say that most American freedoms have been lost because of over governing. I agree with some of the posts to the degree that instead of whining about how much has been lost by the film industry and begging the government to do something about it, they should capitalize on the their strengths of making good movies and act like Americans to innovate their own ways to make money. For every law the government makes to correct a problem, the side affect is worse than the proposed solution.

      For every post stating that America has problems I would encourage them to evaluate that every country in the world has had positive changes due to actions from the United States of America. Stay on track with the subject here and stop trying to bash your big brother!

      • Anon-Anon

        Your propaganda bullshit may work with americans but please don’t try and fool the rest of us with it. For every fabricated “positive change” that you may mention, i will name a hundred “negative changes” due to american interference. I suggest you climb back into your US of A box and seal it.

        Best you stay on track insignificant little one!!!!

        • http://profiles.google.com/artfulldragon TL Dragon

          Oh I’m sorry but uhm the American government is able to buy politicians and laws in all countries so why not cut the crap?

          You assholes can’t keep us out of your own back yard, and you want to run off at the face about American citizens not controlling government? Pretty sure our policies couldn’t affect you if your government had the cash or balls to stand up to us. What’s that? Your ENTIRE fucking country can’t band together to counter American input but you want to run off at the face about American’s not controlling our own government? Money talks and most of us American’s don’t have enough bank to say anything effective or worthwhile.

          How bout you either pitch in and help us get the manpower to fix this shit or sit down and have a nice hot cup of shut the fuck up. There is serious bidness to be done on the internets and you whiney little shits mewling about big bad America are getting in the damn way.

          There is no corruption free government. There is no idiot free government. We the American people have an abundance of both. We know this. We are not happy about this as a whole. Quit yer bitchin’ and offer us some assistance in strategizing and combating the moronic douche squad that runs this country.

        • LOL

          Fuck USAmeriKKKa in it’s hyper-obese arse. Can’t wait for some jihadists to nuke Washington.

          Any day now pl0x…

  • Freedown
  • Aussie Bob

    USGov maths are fantastic, the big bad pirate site, which is one of the largest contributors to the damage against american companies, accounts for little more than 2% of claimed damages.

    Maybe I can get their help with my tax statements.

    • Bigbear

      so they would claim you owe 98% more in taxes

  • Radler

    Christ. Greedy bastards. They crow and say they made millions in a particular movie and cheer its the #1 movie in the world… then the people who “SHARE” these movies to others download it and now they claim BILLIONS in lost revenue???

    True the BILLIONS they claim are a sum total of the the movies, games, music. But one wonders how much of those BILLIONS actually go to the coffers of those who made said money-generating stuff.

    You don’t see the small names complain. You only see the big fish complaining about lost revenue.

    I wonder if someone ever did an interview of the people who made these supposed BILLIONS and ask them how much of those supposed BILLIONS get sent their way and not to the bank account of the 1%.

    • http://twitter.com/Viralindustries Viral Industries

      Agreed good sir

  • Cujo

    oh no ,, here comes a bump

    http://pastebin.com/mJWUDtGD

    • Anonymous

      Yes that FTC hack is a major bump.

      FTC handle the security of 7 major US Government websites meaning that all their security has just been compromised and now they will have to wipe their security systems and to again start from new.

      I would hate to be the system administrators on those Government networks today.

  • Anonymous

    The demonisation of uploads sites as a whole is such an obvious piece of agitprop it’s laughable. Yet many sheeple are buying it.

    This witch hunt tramples over the most basic principles of presumption of innocence and right to due process. People are accepting an indictment as it were a verdict, and having terrorist measures applied to *ALLEGED* wilful copyright infringement (76 troops and choppers (!!)). Massive damage has already been caused before trial.

    Kim might be flashy and rather tasteless, but this doesn’t justify any of the above. Quoting the EFF, this sets a terrifying precedent.

    • http://twitter.com/Viralindustries Viral Industries

      Agreed – resulting to such measures is overkill.

  • Rickkingmusic

    I believe that the industry will now loose even more money simply because there are many of us who just cant afford the high cost of entertainment otherwise. I have been out of work for the last 2 years and needless to say money has been tight. However we could always look forward to finding something on the web, usually downloaded from Megaupload. BUT NOW without the service of the site, my family and I won’t be able to see any movies at all, or get any books, or software. I cant afford to pay hundreds of dollars for X brand software, or $10 a ticket to see a movie. Don’t the poor deserve to have some entertainment in our lives? And before someone says “get a job”, I’ll have you know that I and my family have all been trying. The jobs just aren’t there.

    • Anonymous

      People should save what they download on external hard drives. Then you’d at least have reruns to watch. I’m going to eventually go without cable and just watch my downloads. Sure reruns aren’t as fun, but you can also check out books at the library too. That’s a lot better than people had during the Great Depression.

      • Rickkingmusic

        We actually already do both. thanks

    • http://twitter.com/Viralindustries Viral Industries

      then what job could be created to both connect a solution under the context of this thread and contribute economically to your life?

  • Anonymous

    In the US, corporations have achieved the status as individuals. Are corporations individuals? I’ve always been of the mind that they are anti-individuality. But, this is their “crowning” moment in US history and they are taking full advantage of it.

    Of course Kim Dotcom is small fry, the US entertainment industry has the ability to organize the police and military behind it.

    The problem is that no corporation will settle for a model in which their profits are less than what they were, so corporations will for example destroy environments because it is more profitable for them to do so.

    So many of us consider the internet as a kind of “library.” If it were allowed to function like that, all of us would benefit in the long term, and those of us who insist on our individual freedoms, would no longer be outcasts. That’s worth working for.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

      I won’t believe corporations are people until Texas kills one.

    • http://twitter.com/Viralindustries Viral Industries

      Netflix is already building on top of such “library” framework – as is iTunes, Spotify, and every other SaaS/PaaS digital product/service. what would you like to see in the world?

      To answer your question of BIG business corps. (over a billion in Revenue & 500+ employees) becoming personified with their own Identity – no – they are becoming hedonistic GODS :-( gorging themselves to sustain their bottom lines where revenue & share/stake holders matter over CSR and global competitiveness. We see this across every continent & language barrier.
      These corp. gods in every continent are too big to change their ways – and we’re creating too much noise to help them do so. What we are really dealing with my friends is not the corp. Gods, but the humans pulling the reigns at the top. Lets not victimize ourselves by wasting our time with them – lets let them fold to their own failures to adapt. Digital Darwinism can very be liberating.

  • Anon

    Why do Americans gorge themselves on the nightmares of infants?

  • Anonymous

    if the losses stated were so great, does it not stand to reason that it would be in the entertainment industries’ best interests to make the stuff available themselves from their own sites? but then i suppose i am trying to bring some element of sense to the conversation.

    • http://twitter.com/Viralindustries Viral Industries

      My friend – if only they would listen we all could bask in the glory of our childhood cartoons & stay up to date with their high budget content production. It seems they forgot how to listen, all we’re left to do now is download the scarcity of said content to our devices. You are correct making their content available online through their domains could make everyone happy.

  • Blobblep

    What these angry americans fail to realize is that the quality of their cultural products has steadily declined for decades. The only reason some of those movies are said to be great entertainment is the sheer amount of marketing and the fact that the new generations have been force fed american values and tastes till their own brains have atrophied beyond repair.

    • eefff

      typical Euro dick

      • Freedumb

        Buddy, just go see any recent blockbuster and actually pay attention to what is going on. You’ll realize how unwatchable they are.

        • StevO

          Well not everyone is watching Tyler Perry movies.

      • Dragunov

        Euro dick? Yankee Joe, we have a history, culture, and what you have? Your country’s history= 1 sms, your culture is McDonalds&Coca-Cola&Bubble gum.:) If Blobblep “typical Euro dick”, you are a tipical low IQ american redneck.

        • eefff

          loser. American #1

      • Co

        Maybe so, but he’s right.

      • Dragunov

        Looser? :) Maybe…but you are a brainwashed droid . Tipical IQ light answer, without arguments. Go, and eat a hamburger Joe, that’s your culture. :)
        Russian #1

      • Hg

        Typical american cock sucker

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord

      money, removing creativity sins whenever it was made.

    • Erthwjim

      Yeah but the movies being pirated are American, So even if there is a steady decline, these movies, even putting piracy aside, are amassing billions of dollars world wide. So damn those non Americans for paying for our cultureless movies… Perhaps one day they’ll stop trying to live vicariously through us and make something that sells just as well and that people want to pirate just as much. It would seem as America declines, so is the rest of the world if they’re still watching our worthless shit.

    • http://twitter.com/Viralindustries Viral Industries

      Agreed brother – hollywood has standardized their scripts, casting, and crew to formulaic garbage in order to mitigate risk for their producers & production studios. The entertainment industry as whole suffers from creativeitis: devoid of originality & unique quality for us all to internationally enjoy.

  • lulz

    “If you can’t get it in law, go for it in court precedent.”

  • TinFoilHatter

    Well done Joe, a well put together article.

    I think we all agree, the law needs to be updated. I think that setting the bar fairly between for-profit and non-profit sites sets a clear definition.

    Advertising to cover your overheads is one thing, profiteering of someone else’s creativity is a horse of a different colour, and is exactly what the studios and record labels do.

    What I want to see is the REAL cost of piracy, weighed up fairly against the benefits, not the figures drummed up by the content industry, but that’s not going to happen until some neutral 3rd party makes a comprehensive, unbiased and totally balanced study of the subject.

    Even then, if we can prove the merits of reclassifying piracy law, Its not going to be a battle easily won.

    Unfortunately the governments of the world rather like the idea of grater control over the net, in-order to cement their power and control, after all, if you empower someone to censor the “bad” stuff from our eyes, it also grants them to ability to censor the “good” stuff too.

    Big content needs to just cut the Bull!,
    I’m sick to death of the Lies, Damn Lies and “Piracy Statistics”

    • Anonymous

      Um, REAL cost of piracy has been extensively investigated. there are some dutch studies, at least one created in the norwegian university of trade, and, I believe, one or two from Switzerland.

      They all came out with empirical falsifications of piracy impacting sales.

      The cost is therefore scientifically proven to be negligible.

      • PelouzeTF

        Dutch studies !!!!! lol

        The very place that used to be home to piratebay and allows Leaseweb to exist.

        Not a study to take seriously.

        • brad

          An American study says tobacco is bad for you !!!!! lol

          The very place that popularised smoking in the first place and produces the world’s most popular cigarette brands.

          Not a study to take seriously.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Philip-J-Fry/100003148813344 Philip J Fry

          TPB was originally started in Sweden , get your facts straight before posting mate.

  • Tyrone Biggums

    Dem haterz just mad cuz Kim be rich and dey be poor

    • Co

      free enterprise and all that…
      you go Kim!

    • PelouzeTF

      Doesn’t that make sharers haterz ?

      you’re always complaining “hollywood are rich, artists are rich, we’re not rich, so fuck em’

      haterz like that you mean ?

      • Guest

        Still no concern for Andrew Crossley? Louze, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

  • Matttro

    You guys are aware that Joe Karaganis chair is financed by Google, right?

    You’re not getting neutral information here, your getting big bucks bias information.

    For shame!

    • Concerned Citizen

      Shhh! Shhh! The Google bots will hear you!

    • Anonymous

      *sigh*

      He may indeed be sponsored by Google. And? The information he provides is factual, and easily verifiable. Unless I mistake my guess he’s citing several peer-reviewed sources for his numbers. If he was lying in this he could easily lose his tenure and rep. And possibly get charged with fraud, depending on in which capacity he wrote the above.

      The rest is argumentation. Unless you can poke a good hole in what he says, he is presenting some very good points, bringing a great deal of “pirate” arguments to the academic table.

      Yes, Megaupload was indeed a commercial business through and through. This is something which ill fits with pirate ideology. Likewise, torrent sites, by and large, are not. Not even TPB, if the guesstimates regarding their cost of operation are even halfway correct.

      He presents a valid compromise which this world desperately needs. And the only one likely to work. Where he isn’t correct is his assessment that piracy may be impacted by severe enough measures – were this the case, China wouldn’t be boasting a 62% pirate online population. The one and only way to impact piracy at all is to break the internet as a whole.

      I still consider the various MPAA employers – Universal, Sony, etc, to be beyond the pale. As a group big media has been screwing over both their artists and the consumers for decades in ways which would see any other type of businesspeople given lengthy slammer time.

      But the solution he presents could work. And will have to, as there is no alternative.

      • http://twitter.com/Viralindustries Viral Industries

        Well stated Scary Devil – the methodology presented may be a positive step in the right direction. curbing piracy is inherently futile, but the people in charge are running out of options. Resorting to such measures as fragmenting the integrity of the internet, will undoubtedly separate society drastically. The grey-haired in congress & at the C-level will have to retire for the change agents to got to work, as they should, in their organizations to reinvent themselves, its not like these corps. don’t have the resources. There is an alternative, but will need a lot of help from these change agents both on the ground, online, and in the office

      • Guest

        “China wouldn’t be boasting a 62% pirate online population.”

        Why would a non english speaking country like China account for 62% of the pirate population? Oh gawd more RIAA bs much?

        • Anonymous

          ‘non english speaking country’

          You mean Chinese don’t learn English?

  • Guest
  • Anonymous

    Dude, that actually does make a lot of sense when you think about it, does it not?
    Privacy-Toolz dot com

    • Guest

      Dude, your SPAM doesn’t make sense.

      FLAGGED

  • João Rodrigues
    • Guest

      That was posted on TorrentFreak already after UMG removal of Megaupload Song from YouTube.

  • Guest
  • Guest

    The true essence of filesharing was just that, sharing. Enthusiasts would crack software, brag about it and shared it to like-minded individuals, all for fun. As technology improved, ordinary folks went about duplicating cassette tapes and videotapes to share to friends and family for fun. When optical tech improved, criminal syndicates jumped in and starting selling “pirated” media and software in third world countries.

    As broadband became mainstream, criminal-minded file hosts began imposing artificial limitations on their services (captchas, waiting times, slow speeds, etc.) and swindled their users by demanding payments in the guise of offering a premium level of service where such artificial limitations don’t exist. The sad thing is that the public embraced this scheme. People were actually willing to pay for stuff which was actually free to begin with.

    Then the affiliate program kicked in where uploaders got paid by simply “sitting on their asses and posting screenshots”. These scumbags simply recycled the stuff they got for free, offered it to the public and got paid for it.

    I just hope this Megaupload closure would purge the filesharing world of these greedy file hosters.

    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1895471&highlight=filesonic+launch
    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1834568&highlight=sharingmatrix
    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1853986
    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1783759

    • Tyrone Biggums

      While greedy, these filehosters provide a much needed service.

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  • Admin

    You need all understand why USA goverment wants more control and who is behind all.Why more control and less speech of freedom. How corporations owns goverment in USA. And how those corporations force USA goverment make slave countries in all over world. I suggest you watch documentary THRIVE 2011 You can find it in tpb. It reveals all MPAA/RIAA and MAFIAA secrets and how we can fight back. thrivemovement.com

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  • Mwhahaha

    Maybe if pirate sites made money hand over fist like most big media they’d be able to bribe their own politicians.

  • Admin

    There is much to learn and open your eyes. THRIVE 2011 document which can be download piratebay. Thrive explains why economy will go down much regularly recession. Why all goverments want total control of peoples. Who make money when economy goes down. Why and how banks will make most peoples/countries debt slaves. Great source of news is also infowars.com

    After you all watch THRIVE 2011. You understand why USA and EU economy will go down big time. Why same will hapen in many countries. It has hapen before sometimes and will hapen again and again. Then you understand why and how MAFIAA owns USA goverment and how they also control other countries.

    • Guest

      Just watch Zeitgeist films by Peter Joseph.

  • http://www.thoughtiswack.com/ Addis

    There are valid piracy concerns and the nabbing of Megaupload is justified. Dotcom made millions off of the efforts of others – we needn’t empathize with his predicament. Theft is theft.

    But this is just not about piracy though; it’s about conquest.

    In due time, the media & tech capitalists will join forces with the politicians to own every inch of the net. SOPA & PIPA are just the beginning…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6RamI1Vm6Q&context=C354189dADOEgsToPDskJrzjdPg1b0SAlgEy6j_ab4

    • Guest

      They are certainly trying very hard to steal the net from us.

      Let see if they succeed before we kill them all.

  • Mwhahaha
    • Anon

      Trial by media has began.

    • Guest

      Obvious bullshit is obvious.

  • Jwalke

    I hate Americans but I can’t get enough of them!

    - entitled Euronal

  • Admin

    I give you some great tools how to fight back against MAFIAA=RIAA,MPAA.IFPI…
    Total boycott
    1. Stop buying movies, games, music, software, tv-show. Don’t ever buy always download free internet. That way mafiaa don’t get your money and you save money.
    2. Don’t ever go movies and rent movies.
    3. Spread the word and many will follow. We simply don’t buy anymore mafiaa products. We save money and mafiaa don’t get our money. It is like snowball effect and in time MAFIAA runs out of money because we don’t buy their products untill mafiaa is dead. I have done so last 10 years and mafiaa will not get any money from me. I keep continue the rest of my life and I never buy mafiaa products or rent. Die fast mafiaa bitches and burn in hell :)

    • free stuff

      Business as usual then?

    • Guest

      #blackmarch is near

  • Onony

    The Entertainment Industry ripped off consumers for decades already.
    Companies Like Buma/Stemra and BREIN (in the Netherlands) still ripping off artists who’s music is played on places all in shops and Radio Stations, only to make money themselve

    They still make money, a lot of money and it’s never enough
    Now they need it to buy the best lawyers to present them, to stick in their foolish business model from Early 1900′s

    Sleep Well Entertainment Industry :-)

  • Guest

    Say NO to ACTA – e-petitions

    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/20685

  • Oomg

    when i think about it the entire us people should mass sue the industry for stealing our money / the artist money since they were given the monopoly of anything that is entertainment related …. they really are the new MAFIAA

  • Jimbo

    anyone here that thinks the loss of Mega is ‘no big deal’, is acting blind, thick or perhaps both. this is the thin end of yet another wedge the entertainment industries are using. with the outcry against SOPA/PIPA, all they are doing is using the law enforcement agencies to achieve the same end result. control of the Internet by closing down competition sites. wont be long before Facebook and the like will go the same way or are extremely regulated so as to remain operable. no one and nothing internet-wise will be private.

  • Pedant

    “nee Schmitz”
    The double e is reserved for females, so this male-looking person would be “né Schmitz”

  • Piperclub

    To upload/share files, this is a good/safe method that has always worked for us: http://pastebay.com/303585

  • WapensenVrijheid

    Belgium Against ACTA!

    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/belgiumagainstacta/#sign_petition

    No to ACTA! This is for the belgians, please sign!

  • L B

    They’re all going to prison,the FBI is not fooling around this time,expect the 2 leaders to get at least 5to6 years and all monies,properties to be confiscated and proceeds shared out amongst the plaintiffs.Remember the old gangster movies where crooks contacted a person and said that he was looking for a bank to rob and was pointed to a specific bank and all the banks plans ect was given to the crook told how to rob it ect,who then went there and robbed it,if caught all were jailed including the”organiser”.Well this law is still the law in the US and the authorities are now adapting it to use against internet sites.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not convinced all this effort by big media (and the US government acting on their behalf) is money driven. It’s become a religious battle between two views of content ownership. The digital era has removed the ability to control things physically. I think the lack of control has stirred up the media companies into such a frenzy that simple return on investment analysis is no longer done. Regain control at all costs (which again and again has failed.) Look at the millions spent on lobbying for SOPA/PIPA – even if the law was passed it would have had zero effect on piracy. I would wager the lobbying costs outweigh any losses from piracy.

    Their success (if it is indeed successful) against Megaupload will be pyrrhic. Just as the RIAA thought it had won when it shutdown Napster. Cut off the head of the Internet Medusa another one appears.

  • Paulson

    Except there is absolutely no relationship whatsoever between the revenue from cyberlockers and torrent sites and the media industry losses. They are computing it from the number of downloads, not from how much money ads, donations and affiliate programs returned.

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  • Philc72

    Be so much easier if these file sharing sites charged a fixed fee towards it’s customers with a percentage going to the film industry. I’d be quite happy to pay a yearly subscription to download what I want.

    • Anon

      But you’re talking about a new distribution method which is essentially what Holywood is fighting against. Why the fuck they don’t just set up some servers and do a test run is beyond me. Imagine a films opening night being global and viewed by 20 million people @ $10.

  • VOS

    ‘foreign thief’ ??? shame on you Torrent Freak for posting such ignorant garbage.

    Those foreign countries put billions of dollars into the US acconomy. That is not a God given right. Its a fantastic opportunity and a privilege for the US.

    Those countries do not have to use american products. If they were to impse a media blockage against the US it would lose billions of dollars.

    So to talk about them as a ‘theif’ robbing the4 US is a very arrogant and ungrateful perspective.

    America needs to learn that their glass is half full , not half empty, and work with the population of those countris that spend there money on US products in stead of bullying them and cheating them out of every thing they can.

    Its about time the european community woke up to this fact, became more united, and put preasure on the US to understand this.

    Its also about time europe open their eyes to the danger of letting one country have so much financial and internet power.

    • Youloser

      If you don’t need US internet, why don’t you set up your own ICANN server? My guess is you either can’t afford it or don’t know how.

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  • Crazymatt
    • JoshLondon

      That man is insane. His facts are incorrect. He is confusing civil and criminal prosecutions. Criminal prosecutions have been launched against those who have patently profited from the upload/distribution of copyrighted works.

      Jammie Thomas was sued for downloading and sharing. It’s the latter which got her into trouble, just as it is the basis for the torrent suits.

      There have been no civil suits against downloaders because those suits are expensive to prosecute with little hope of success – most of those who download have few assets and little income.

      Copyright holders will go after the uploaders who made money on their infringing activity. If you were, say, a top 1,000 or so Megaupload affiliate, then, yes, you’re probably in some deep shit.

      But if you downloaded a few hundred files, you’re lumped in with hundreds of thousands if not millions of others.

      That’s if Megaupload kept logs of download activity – Rapidshare, for example, does not. Hotfile only began affirmatively logging after they were sued.

      Rants like the bozo on YouTube linked above are moronic. He needs to get out of his basement more often and join the folks in the real world.

  • ??????

    I love the Eurinals whinging about not being able to steal content. “BOOO HOOO! WHERE IS OUR FREE STUFF!”

    lol. If you want something you have to earn it.

    • VOS

      You mean like the US lying to the world about WMD so they could over turn a middle eastern gov hoping steal all the oil in the region for themselves?

      Or maybe you are refering to the fact that its legal in california to con people online globaly out of their money with false and dishonest gaming sites? Is that not racketeering?

      So stop acting like america is innocent or moral.

      In all areas america has double standards. LEAVE THE LAWS OF OTHER COUNTIRES TO OTHER COUNTRIES.

      IF YOU DONT LIKE IT….DON’T SELL ANYTHING TO THEM!

      ..LIKE THATS GOING TO HAPPEN.

      • VOS

        oh yeah and lets not forget two hundred years keeping black people as servants to do all your shit and pay them nothing in return.

        forgot that did ya?

    • Guest

      Pray tell, how did the world earn a copyright policy that lasts “life + 95 years”? For certain we didn’t earn it, and definitely neither did the industry.

  • Schlomo

    The problem with a new distribution model is you goyim do not have the moral fortitude to use it appropriately. Content is streamed to Israel on a pay per view basis. If you all would behave better you would also have access to this content delivery method.

    • LOL

      Fuck off, racist yid. We ‘goyim’ know your game & are working to end it…

  • will

    SOPA and PIPA are back. renamed: Online Protection and Enforcement of Digital Trade(OPEN). Already gaining support from: Google, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, Consumer Electronics Association and more.

    its SOPA and PIPA 2.0 we must stop this, phone your congressmen and threaten to vote them out. Boycott all those companies that support OPEN.

    • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

      You need to do more research.

      OPEN was presented as an alternative to SOPA/PIPA, it was introduced by Ron Wyden, who is entirely opposed to SOPA. Congress said there were no alternatives, that everyone complained about SOPA but nobody had any better ideas; OPEN was the response that was supported by most software groups opposed to SOPA (I speak in past tense because I’m looking at it in terms of when SOPA was being discussed, but support has not lessened since then)

      One of the key differences between SOPA/PIPA and OPEN is that OPEN places responsibility for enforcement on the International Trade Commission, since they see the main concern as commercial piracy overseas. It takes the focus away from the common filesharer and makes it more focused on the foreign sports jersey counterfeiters, the gucci knockoffs, the guys actually making a profit on piracy, instead of lumping them together with torrent groups and filesharers to act as a scapegoat to persecute the unwashed masses.

      What OPEN doesn’t do is force ISPs to spy on their customers, and it doesn’t leave control of implementing this act in the hands of the MAFIAA, or their moles in the government.

      The very fact that the MPAA is opposed to it should be an indication that it’s a step in the right direction. Under SOPA/PIPA ISPs and payment processors would be encouraged to monitor, censor and suppress their clientele, with no repercussions for doing so, but holding them legally responsible for their clientele’s actions should they not suppress them. This is not the case under OPEN.

      Would you like to know more? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPEN

  • Davewilson

    Anybody with the foresight / paranoia to build a Safe Room probably has the foresight / paranoia to stash some money away in a Caribbean account. He will probably plead in return for paying through the nose, then access his stash later.

  • VOS

    There has to be a show doan at some point when america tells everyone in the world what they HAVE to do, and the resr of the world says NO….then what?

    I think Hoolywood, and california, are going to make a lot of enemies for the US that wil effect it in the long long run and change how the rest of the world see the US.

    You can not impose your will and your law on every other country in the world. Thats dictatorship and has to be over thrown which it always has been so far inthe past.

    I truly pray to God that the european community finds the strength of character to blockade US media.

    You go your way and we go ours. Then when you have lost billions and billions of lost revenue maybe you will be more willy to see how half full your glass is.

    This aggressive action by the US may generate more cash for hollywood, although no where near the amounts they are suggesting, but the amount of loss that will be experienced by people around the world who can not afford or do not have access to current delivery mechanisms will be a hundred fold if not more.

    So again…I say shame on TorrentFreak for posting such ignorant garbage as this article.

    • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

      It will never happen. The US does a lot of trade with a lot of countries and uses their influence to get their way. I don’t like it, but that’s how the world works. USA tells foreign countries to jump and they ask how high…if they refuse, they get embargoed, have their good name dragged through the mud by the media and, eventually, get invaded and their leaders replaced with US friendly despots. There’s a reason the US is at the top of the pyramid; they play dirty to stay there.

      This isn’t america-bashing, I have no problem with the american populace…but the government needs a swift kick in the ass.

      • US Dissident

        Well said. I live in the US and I wish more of my fellow citizens were as perceptive as you.

  • Tonyj

    The U.S. Justice Dept. is beginning to look like a Paper Tiger.

  • 1111

    Information was meant to be free to all.
    Information should be free to all.

    Abolish intellectual property law.
    We will not tolerate those who seek to profit by monopolizing information and causing
    harm to the well being of society.

  • John E Dexter

    so now the entertainment/media control the internet…next who can say ???

  • Pentrio

    Is this the real life…?

    • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

      Who are you, David after dentist?

  • dsb_dsb

    I remember the days when there were no music CD’s (Forget DVD’s) and only audio cassates which we could copy without any infrigment laws and distribute with our loved & cherished ones. Oh those VHS tapes where we would not have to think before making it’s another copy and we did it without the interference of these greedy corporations (till someone start using these methods for personal profits a.k.a. Pirate). What about the fashion industry (as we all know their source of inspirations are across the world & they don’t pay till it’s protected by some sort of law) & what about pharma industry it is using many natural products to extract active ingredients & make us devoid of those natural products by buying the space in which they can be cultivated e.g. for energy try Ginseng a natural immunomodulator or Garlic (Smell is only limitation otherwise it is one of the best food ingredient to stay healthy without drugs). What you are trying to call piracy is actually human nature to help….. let’s say i bought a game and if i could not play it because of the protection mechanism of the company than i will have to look for alternate ways to run it…. Similarly softwares, every software company tries to rip us (Especially large corporates) but thanks to open source & Freewares i can get my work done without paying generally.

    • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

      I remember buying 5.5″ floppies so that I could get Conan and Mario Bros off my friends so I could play them on the school’s Apple ][e’s on monochrome green monitors…I never gave a thought to piracy or IP at the time, and frankly, the copyright holders must have lost a couple of bucks on it with all the nerds trading copies, but how do you balance that with the free advertising they got? when the NES came out 2 years later I bought that and have been giving Nintendo thousands of dollars a year ever since…I call it a tie.

      • dsb_dsb

        Yeah i also bought many game consoles (8bit , 16bit etc.) before playstation as till that time i have moved on to the PC platform….. I just hate when they call an act of sharing ‘pirating’ everybody talks about SOPA, PIPA & other similar acts which can control the people on net but nobody talks about the ‘Right to ownership’ which should be clarified and made in such a way that should satisfy the people around the globe & not only corporations.

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  • Piraten

    Kim Dotcom is an internet pimp and his court of paid whores are whining. Information is in fact free on the internet. You are all sharing information on Torrentfreak and even the dumbest comment pass without any moderation or censorship.

    Hollywood movies is not information, fuckin morons.

    • Jeebs

      piraten go home you fucking homo

  • Admin

    Best cyberlocker is provided by piratebay -> bayfiles.com
    Spread the word to all.

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  • aleina mohanty

    It is totally business and political in nature. None of it is talking about the technology. Excellent story especially if someone wants some hard/soft numbers on the torrent business. But should it really have been submitted to tech?

    http://goo.gl/jAqHd

  • Truth Teller

    What you have done here is prove that “free content” sites are not valid business models. Pure and simply, outside of exceptional cases, most of them aren’t making much more than what it costs to have them up.

    However, I would say that the estimates on the torrents sites are on the high side for cost, and on the low side for income. They don’t host the content, the pages they provide generally are not big, and only crappy programming and a lack of page caching would make them server pigs.

    You also left out that almost every one of the torrent sites out there has “alternate download” options, either as affiliate links or as an in house system, selling faster access. Almost every one of them has fake downloadable files that are in fact paid for links to other programs or that download unwanted materials to your machine. They are making money on all of that stuff.

    Not that long ago, site wide advertising on The Pirate Bay was quoted at nearly 50k per month for full promotion (for a dating / webcam program). It is much more likely that TPB was taking in something over a million a year – but payments generally didn’t go to Sweden, if you know what I mean!

  • Greedycompaines

    Go US goverment and shut down facebook and youtube. they are same. but wait you wouldnt stop them because you are using them right

  • http://twitzie.com/ My2Cents

    20-30k a year for 10mm visitors a month is way too little. To make sure everyone is surfing your website fast then you’ll have to pay for good hosting. 20-30k will not cover it.

    My 2 cents

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  • Anonymous

    HELLO CAN WE SAY CONFLICT OF INTEREST!!!

  • http://twitter.com/Viralindustries Viral Industries

    You have a point chief – granted for your astute use of “vicariously”.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=630502326 Liam Kirsh

    > For the past few years, Kim Dotcom (nee Schmitz) has been the MPAA’s go-to example of the foreign thief.

    That should read “né”. “née” is feminine.

    Edit: Wait, @pedant beat me to it.

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