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Megaupload: U.S. Deliberately Misled the Court with Unlawful Search Warrants

In a filing just submitted to court Megaupload is looking to declare the search warrants executed by the U.S. Government unlawful. Kim Dotcom’s legal team argues that the Government. deliberately misled the court by withholding information that showed how the authorities had “planted” key evidence. Dotcom is furious about the alleged misconduct that led to the destruction of 220 jobs and the seizure of the personal files of millions of users.

megauploadWhen the U.S. Government applied for the search warrants against Megaupload last year, it told the court that they had warned Megaupload in 2010 that it was hosting infringing files.

Through its hosting company, Megaupload was informed about a criminal search warrant in an unrelated case where the Government requested information on 39 infringing files stored by the file-hosting service.

At the time Megaupload cooperated with this request and handed over details on the uploaders. The files were kept online as Megaupload was instructed not to touch any of the evidence. However, a year later this inaction is being used by the U.S. Government to claim that Megaupload was negligent, leaving out much of the context.

“As of November 18, 2011, thirty-six of the thirty-nine infringing copies of copyrighted motion pictures were still being stored on servers controlled by the Mega Conspiracy,” the Government claimed in the Megaupload search warrants.

This course of action is misleading according to Megaupload’s legal team.

“Megaupload had every reason to retain those files in good faith because the Government had sought and obtained Megaupload’s cooperation in retrieving the files and warned that alerting users to the existence of the warrant and the Government’s interest in the files could compromise the investigation,” Megaupload attorney Ira Rothken explains.

In a new filing submitted to the District Court, Megaupload informs the court about the Government’s failure to disclose the full picture.

“Nowhere did the Government tell this Court that Megaupload had done exactly what the Government had asked it to do — execute a search warrant without alerting the ostensible targets to the existence of an investigation,” Megaupload’s lawyers write.

“The Government’s contention to this Court that Megaupload’s preservation of the status quo was evidence of criminal intent is false, and deliberately so,” they add.

By failing to mention that the files were not removed because the authorities specifically requested this, the Government deliberately misled the Court, Megaupload says. The lawyers argue that this is not only troubling by itself, but also fits into a wider picture of misconduct that was revealed in New Zealand court proceedings.

“It is clear from the unsealed warrants that the Government withheld critical information from its supporting affidavits. That withholding calls into grave question the legality of any and all seizures effected pursuant to those warrants. The withholding is all the more worrisome considering the identified pattern of governmental misconduct plaguing the proceedings in New Zealand,” they write.

Megaupload therefore asks for these issues to be addressed in an upcoming hearing.

“At this point, it is only appropriate that questions be asked and answered about why the Government withheld information from the Court as it did and as to whether it could have otherwise claimed proof of Megaupload’s criminal mens rea had it not planted Megaupload’s alleged knowledge of infringing files under false auspices..,” the filing reads.

If the Megaupload search warrants are indeed declared invalid or unlawful the court may order the return of Megaupload’s assets. This would not only enable former users to get their files back, but would also return millions of dollars in assets to Megaupload.

Kim Dotcom told TorrentFreak that he is furious about the U.S. Government’s actions, which ruined his business.

“A legitimate business destroyed. 220 jobs destroyed. All assets frozen without a hearing. Millions of users without access to their legitimate files. Anti-terror forces to arrest non-violent nerds. Spy agencies to surveil our communications illegally. The White House, a Prime Minister, two governments abusing our rights.”

“Read this filing to see the unlawful methods used to destroy us,” Dotcom adds.

Megaupload’s most recent filing could turn out to be a crucial move in the ongoing criminal proceedings. If the warrants are declared unlawful, as happened earlier in New Zealand, then Kim Dotcom and his fellow defendants will be in a much better position to win the case.

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  • Herru

    world without usa is better

    • Guest

      USA left to it’s own devices is fine.
      If it would just stop dipping its finger in everyone else’s pie…

      • Boycott USA

        It certainly seems as if the moral of the story is simply not to cooperate with the US. Kim’s new venture may well be a template to follow so long as he makes sure the US is not involved in any way. Perhaps a boycott of all things ‘American’ is long overdue, especially in the world of IT. If the governments of the world can’t stop the imperialist designs of the American ruling elite, then perhaps a complete boycott of it’s goods and services will.

        • highboi

          impossible in usa as people with money will always buy shit they dont need.

        • JordanKratz

          Go ahead and Boycott my Nation ! Hate to say it but the Nation deserves this maybe.
          You got a ton of Sheeple who just parrot each other and then you got a bunch of greedy Assholes and last you got some intelligent folks here and there.

          Fuck my Government Hard !!! Use A Broomstick !

        • Hi Im Kimchi Men

          “Fuck my Government Hard !!! Use A Broomstick !”

          screw a broomstick use a baseball bat with nails in it dripped in Tabasco habanero sauce, and make sure you don’t use any lube

      • Gusset

        Dipping its finger would be annoying, but it is stealing the whole pie for itself and then kicking the owner of the pie to the ground and stamping on their face.

        • Memoriadelfuego

          Stealing the country and murdering the original inhabitants is how the US came into being. They are simply keeping up their traditions.

    • OneEyedWillie

      We have a few very powerful assholes calling all the shots in the USA and they need be taken out of the equation if you know what I mean. It is the same people that are stalling our government to a dead stop. These people should be held for treason and killed by the USA.

      • JordanKratz

        Someone might do us all a favor if you know what I mean.

        • OneEyedWillie

          God I hope so. Make it end!!

  • Anonymous

    ” If the Megaupload search warrants are indeed declared invalid or unlawful the court may order the return of Megaupload’s assets. This would not only enable former users to get their files back, but would also return millions of dollars in assets to Megaupload. ”

    I hope that Megaupload team will ask for a HUGE compensation for the time and money lost.
    It’s serious right here, people got out of work for a year because of this bulllshit !!

    • Guest

      More than that. Lets hope every government employee involved in this corruption gets demoted to janitor. Then they can fight about who has control of the broom. The one with the most contacts can order a S.W.A.T team to protect it at night.

      • Gen. Eric Guy

        Janitor is not a demotion; it;’s a promotion. It’s the ultimate infiltrator job. Nondescript, and you have all kinds of access to all kinds of things, and you can hide your suspicious activities under the guise of “keeping the place clean”. But first it would be about keeping the CEO’s office clean; and then cleaning the company of the CEO and taking his place.

        Janitors are really dangerous people, when you come and think of it. Don’t underestimate them.

        Personally, I say break their banks and keep them homeless. No job is better than a low-class job. The only difference is that they’re not being paid for doing nothing anymore.

    • Who

      “If the Megaupload search warrants are indeed declared invalid or unlawful the court may order the return of Megaupload’s assets”

      this has already happened months ago but the court STILL would not release a dam thing as the content was pending investigation because of the FBI/MPAA/RIAA bullshit.

      • MadAsASnake

        That has happened in NZ, this is the US court. My concern here would be that the US courts have been overly eager to let this charade continue, and have been quite happy to disregard stuff like this. If this issue is not given hearing time in short order, the I beleive KDC has cause to argue that a fair trial is not possible in the US

        • Who

          if that did happen in NZ then how does the FBI got any say in the matter? they got NO jurisdiction in that country. not to mention the information I read said that this debate took place in the US. so the media got there shit incorrect?

        • MadAsASnake

          @Who

          The NZ courts can’t invalidate the US Warrants. The NZ courts look like they will deal with the NZ issue at the extradition hearing, which are getting delay after delay as the US authorities are not cooperating. I suspect this will continue until an NZ judge gets annoyed enough to simply dismiss the whole thing. The NZ courts have released limited funds, and will undoubtetly release the rest once the extradition has formally failed. The NZ declaration was that the NZ warrants were invalid, not the US ones. This action is aiming to declare the US ones invalid. Once that is done, the US courts have little choice but to dismiss the entire case (as there is none) and return all assets. It would also make extradition irrelevant. If I was KDC, I’d be filing a criminal complaint of perjury in regards the US warrant submissions.

        • Who

          ok then we got a bunch of fucking retards spreading incorrect information on torrent sites. cause that’s not how I read it off ET and a few other sites. LOL o well. “The NZ courts can’t invalidate the US Warrants” they can IF it violates peace treaties. this also means that NZ is as corrupt as the US?

        • MadAsASnake

          @Who

          The NZ courts can (and probably will) throw the extradition request out and return all NZ assets. It can do nothin about what is happenin in the US – it’s called Jurisdiction. The US DOJ was operating through a co-operation agreement, and very dishonestly as it turns out. They’ll think twice before trying that stunt in NZ again.

      • Paziz

        Indeed, I suspect the U.S. will never allow Carpathia to release those files. They will find some reason to prevent it happening, no matter what.

        • MadAsASnake

          If the court agrees to hear this issue (and it would be surpriing if they di not), then it is quite possible that the US courts will find themselves in a position where they have no choice but order exactly that. This one goesright to the source of the corruption – it is not possible for the person that filed for the warrant to know about those files without knowing how Mega had been notified. If this line of argument is not allowed at this point, then it will come up next time – the only thing DOJ can do is keep it out of court. Looks more and more like a Steele extortion scam, doesn’t it?

    • xmrk

      I wonder when Nejtillpirater (and his ilk) come(s) and condems this theft and lost profit of Kim Dotcom and his employees. Where are all those pro-copyright advocates now, when one needs them?

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Busy ripping songs from artists, selling them for profit, and blocking their remuneration claims in court. You think the CRIA is alone in using what was called a “standard model”?

  • Mf

    USA is fine. It’s Hollywood corporate powers.

    • ScrewEwe2

      It’s Hollywood corporate powers, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Chriss Dodd, Eric Holder and the rest of the D.O.J.. If you are entrusted with upholding the law, don’t break it in the process, like a Bull in a China Shop. You break it, you buy it!

      • Dealer

        Heh, this is good one, -We broke The LAw so We must Buy IT! RIAA way To Tjink… xD

        • ScrewEwe2

          I think you missed my point. I was saying the US Government has broken Mega, they need to make it whole again, in other words, pay for the damage they caused.

      • highboi

        actually its been proven on myth busters that a bull will in fact be as careful as possible to not break anything.

        http://www.noob.us/entertainment/mythbusters-a-bull-in-a-china-shop/

  • Js

    I feel sorry for the USA, Fiscal cliff/budget deficit, and it looks like they will have to payout millions in compensation for 220 jobs, over a years business, legal fees, faulse arrest……….ect……ect…………

  • Universal Soldier

    Hey Ernesto, still waiting for ‘Most Downloaded Games of 2012′ and ‘Best Torrent Sites of 2012′. And don’t forget to add private sites this time.

    • Nicklick

      Please keep the private sites out! Private means private!

      • Guest

        The sooner you let go of your illusions that private sites are actually private, the better.

  • Ray186

    And once again DOJ attorneys are proven to be lawyers who couldn’t get a job anywhere else.

    • ScrewEwe2

      All you have to do is go to any Department Of Motor Vehicles to see afirmative action in effect government wide, and I’m not talking about race, sex or creed, but the hiring of the disabled, The Retarded. They desrve a chance of course, but not running the government or it’s agencies.

      • OneEyedWillie

        OMG I laughed so hard with that one lol

      • Wal~Mart

        Hey you doodyhead, making fun of retarded people like myself is not funny and it’s very hurtful. I am a cart wangerler in the parking lot and dump out the garbage cans so I can buy my music and movies unlike you thiefs on here. So there doodyhead.

        • 7th_Guest

          It’s not even mildly amusing anymore, dude. Find some other shtick to get your jollies from already.

        • 2013sUxAlready

          omg stupid STOoP!D fkin kiddo.

      • bobmail

        So you have a hope of getting a job once you make it out of school – if you ever do!

        • ScrewEwe2

          Fuckin’ A Bob LOL, you’re the one that needs schooling. You are obviously working off a script, because you sure as hell don’t have any reading comprehension. What were you, a tellemarketer before you got this troll gig? You shouldn’t attempt breeding, cuz your kids will disown you when they find out what a brain-dead fuck you are. You do provide laughs though. Take a break and go watch a John Wayne movie bud.

  • Phaedrus

    Nothing matters. The USA courts will decide what they wish based on what they consider to be in the country’s best social interest. Need I remind you of the of the supreme court case where one Justice wrote: “Law is not a search for the truth, but rather a means to a given social end.” Recent years have proven the courts will use “any means” available, including ignoring Constitutional law. Witness the Supreme Court putting George Bush into the presidency when the final vote counts, any way you want to add them, clearly showed Bush lost the election. I mock your Constitution, and laugh at the peoples ignorance of events as they occur in your country. Kim Dotcom is now caught in this same legal meat-grinder. The courts will not be deciding his case based on longstanding legal precedents, no. Instead they will take whatever position they feel the social trends require. And by “Social Trends”, the USA courts do not mean what the people think, they mean what monopolistic corporate pressures are blowing their way. In the USA, there is no law.

    Glad I’m not in the USA!

    • Abc

      What you don’t realise is that the US government policies have only every been as you described. This is nothing new. Washington made it a crime to complain about the government a few years after the war of independance and it was more of the same forever after. It’s only in the last few decades that people have become aware of the governments dirty tricks. If anything, the US government is less corrupt that it has been in the past, largely because it is so much more difficult to hide their hypocracy.

    • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

      Your description is very good as to what we fear.

      It does not predict at all, however, what American Citizens will, or will not, tolerate.

      The Crisis for Corporate Power is already Public News; and, becomes progressively acute precisely in proportion to how adversely individual citizens are affected.

      Things like the Financial Collapse, and subsequent 25 Trillion Dollar bailouts; the politicly bought, ill advised deregulation of the derivatives market; the robo-signing bank frauds in respect to foreclosures; the legislative dysfunctions that produced the Constitutional nullifications advanced in PIPA, SOPA, ACTA, CISPA, and, TPP; the Corporate self-help enshrined in Six Strikes as a substitute for formal Civil Law; the extra-judicial and extra-constitutional takedown of MegaUpload; and, the never ending clamor by the Foreign Intelligence Services for power of Warrantless spying on the private comminications of Individual Citizens, are creating the conditions for a radical reexamination of the role of Corporate Power in American Life.

      That reexamination is NOT likely to turn out favorably for America’s largest and most powerful Corporate Monopolies.

      Why?

      Because, although American Citizens have a high tolerance for the reality of autocratic tyranny practiced abroad, they have no such tolerance for the potential of such tyranny emerging domesticly to supplant their own supreme Democratic Primacy over their Institutions.

      THE SHIT HITS THE FAN as American Citizens realize that these Corporations really are rewriting them out of the Constitution.

      Why?

      Because the weighty burden of no intellectual argument is easier to carry in American Political life than the proposition that any source of Institutional Power that threatens the Constitutional Primacy of Individual Citizens must be checked, balanced, contained, or oblitertated. Take your pick!!

      • Phaedrus

        Many different intellectual arguments can easily be raised. What will the American people tolerate? History shows that…

        America is a beautiful country, Some of its people are nice too. But when I see your Boner of a House leader refuse to even allow a vote for aid to hurricane Sandy victims, and here the same vitriol expressed against these victims on your radio talk shows, I wonder what support will come when it “Hits The Fan”. I bet the Sandy victims are wondering the same. Seems like all world empires have crashed in similar ways from within, not from pressures without.

        Even so, Its going to be interesting to watch how successful the corporations are at persuading the politicians to confiscate all the peoples guns.

        • OneEyedWillie

          They will never be able to do much about guns effectively. IMHO. I myself will shot to the death if need be to keep my guns. It is not my America anymore if they come after my guns. I will probably die screaming, Give me liberty or give me death you fuckers!!! BOOM

        • smeg

          Americans will bend over and take it up the arse without lube like they always have. Nothing will change in that shithole of a country.

        • teenygozer

          I desperately wanna say, “You’ll shoot your eye out, kid!” to OneEyedWillie, but there’s no “reply” button on his post!

    • Joe Biden

      Download Oliver Stones Untold History of USA.
      Thirty years ago we would’ve just exploded DotCom’s jet.
      He’s lucky we’ve only stole his money and lied to the courts.
      Warrants! Warrants! We don’t need no stinking warrants!

      The 1970′s … The ‘Good Ol Days’.

      • puddypuddy

        Spinach!

      • Phaedrus

        Thirty years ago I did not need to go through a naked body scanner and get gate-raped in order to flee the USA. While notorious events occurred in secrecy from time to time, back then, today they occur every day, and out in the open–such as the use of drones to kill American citizens without trial–with little to no objection by the American people.

        • JordanKratz

          I was also there decades ago.I am 57 years old.Original punk rocker from 1976 and before that as a kid I was at all the Environment,Vietnam, and other Protests in Boston Mass Area.
          Flying used to be an adventure now it just plain sucks !
          Bet you also remember the days you could still smoke on planes.

    • Deebeedooh

      Also, DOJ = Department of Jerkiness

  • ScrewEwe2

    “Mega Conspiracy”? More like U.S. D.O.J. Conspiracy. The more I read about this the more pissed off I get. KDC is lucky they didn’t send in the damn drones.

  • Dxloat

    You are all witnessing the decline of an empire. The US looks very similar right now as the Roman empire did in its final days. The bickering we are seeing in Washington over $ is very similar to how the Roman govt. fought amongst themselves over the expansion of the empire and its costs to the empire, and we know how that ended. It saddens me that my country is imploding but it needs to happen. I often wonder if we wouldn’t have been better off had we lost WWII. Sure we might be speaking German right now but I bet we wouldn’t hold the distinction of the most waring nation in modern history.

    • Guest

      I doubt Germany was any more feared or despised than America is now.
      That is a horrible statement I know, but it’s getting to be more of a truism every day. It was once the epitome of a Great Nation. Now it’s a cesspool of corruption, greed and incompetency. I genuinely hope it can clean up it’s act and get back to it’s founding ideals.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Actually…there’s a nice little book called “Rise and fall of the third reich” written by a US foreign correspondent. Once you take a look through that any comparison to a current nation will fade away.

        However, another similar presents itself when looking at the US and Europe today; Weimar republic. And that in itself is depressing enough.

        • Guest

          The USA and Europe are a lot like the Weimar Republic as it was being highjacked by the Nazi Party.

        • Frunk

          I can tell you weren’t born in Afghanistan.
          What’s the difference between being a Jew who’s shot dead by a Nazi
          and being an Afghan and being shot dead by a grunt?
          None really. With Germany it was a matter of scale.
          Dead is dead.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @Frunk

          “What’s the difference between being a Jew who’s shot dead by a Nazi
          and being an Afghan and being shot dead by a grunt?”

          There’s a very big difference between a casual disregard for “collateral damage” which is the euphemistic name for civvies killed in warzones by way of “Ooops” – as compared to having a detailed and meticulously executed plan on how to most efficiently wipe out an ethnic minority or every dissident.

          The latter part is what Hitler and Stalin did. It doesn’t compare to the US in any way, shape or form. I have no doubt the guards at Abu Ghraib would have done well guarding camps in the 3rd reich as well, but that’s as far as it goes. the Abu Ghraib guards did not do what they did with the full sanction of congress and senate.

          When the grunt in question can drop the Afghan to his knees before the washington monument at high noon in front of a crowd and put a bullet through his neck we can talk about a valid comparison. Up until then, not so much.

          @Guest

          “The USA and Europe are a lot like the Weimar Republic as it was being highjacked by the Nazi Party.”

          My point exactly. And would you care to take a look at how ultra-nationalist parties sporting lookalike swastikas have surged over the last ten years in all european nations? In Sweden it was a joke ten years ago to claim we would have roughly ten percent nazis in the parliament.

          Today we do.

          Weimar republic has rightly come to stand for a paradigm where the faith the common man has in the established body politic approaches an extreme low, leaving him with the wolves.

    • Danny

      The USA got huge amount of money from all countries involved in WWII (most of these monies are now repaid).

      So no, you would be in a far worse off place in fiscal terms.

    • JordanKratz

      The Roman Comparison is one I agree with.I love History Books and Documentaries and love to learn about Rome, Greece, WW2, ETC.
      Yes, we had our Rise, and our Plateau, and now we are looking at the Decline, and after that it is either straight down the tubes or many would hope a new bright day.
      Rome also over expanded, was totally corrupt, and its Government had a very low opinion of it.
      I do not agree with your part on Germany.Nazis Suck even more than these stupid greedy shitsl.

      • ScrewEwe2

        Happy New Years Jordan. Couldn’t respond to your post where you mention your age, but tomorrow I will turn 58, and I’m damn surprised I made it past 21.

        • JordanKratz

          I’m damn surprised to have made it as long as I have.I was a Party Animal from 12 – 38 !
          Graduated from the school of Hard Knocks.
          Took a course in Orange Sunshine Aug or Sept. 1968.
          No one seems to remember the “Black Mass” Acid that were black barrels instead of Orange.

        • 7th_Guest

          Lol, someone get the old geezers their blankets and evening chamomile while they’re patting each other in the back on a job well done getting us off their lawn :p. Hurry up before their evening dramas come on the tube too! Nah, seriously though, I may be a few years past half your age, but it’s heartwarming to see that not everyone about to enter their golden years turns out a crotchety old bastard eager to label people of my generation “spoiled” or “entitled” when it comes to social struggles and the internet all the same. Especially when many of them don’t actually know jack shit about the internet besides Google to begin with.

  • wzombie

    he did some things wrong.. wrong hoop, wrong time.

  • http://www.usenet.info.pl/ filesharing

    MegaUpload has been destroyed. 220 jobs destroyed. All assets frozen. Millions of users without access to their files.

    The task has been made ​​and now worry what to do about. These are the actions of government institutions.

  • bobmail

    It’s a rather weak argument, probably their last attempt to try to get Kim out of this before they start negotiating for lenient terms.

    Basically, they have spent months bitching that they don’t know the evidence or any of that, and suddenly they are able to determine that the warrants are invalid? Wow. You have to suspend your grip on reality to follow them.

    They are grasping at straws now.

    • Guest

      Maybe if you’d follow the news you’d actually stood a chance of being taken seriously.

    • MadAsASnake

      Wrong you moron. DOJ withheld vital evidence from the courts in order to get these warrants. The files in question were left in place at the request of the very same people that are trying to prosecute him. Tell me now, why anybody should coopderate with these “authorities” ever again?

      They have only known the specifics of this since the orders were unsealed. You know, why are so many of these orders being sealed in the first place? Could it be the flimsy and dishonest nature of the prosecution?

      • bobmail

        The problem is, simpleton, that the US didn’t have to make the request, because that is how the system works to start with. Mega allowed the file to be uploaded once, created a hash, and allows other users who would upload the file to instead just link to the original copy. It is the design of their system, not something special that the US asked for.

        The only way the legal argument works is if this is clearly shown to be against the operating procedures of Mega, which is not the case. Their systems were specifically designed to make it so people didn’t have to keep re-uploading the same files. One copied was shared with multiple links, and only the individual links removed, not the common files. That is really the key.

        If the US government was asking Mega to do something that they normally do not do, they might have legs to stand on. But really, since it was standard operating procedure for Mega, it’s a non-issue. It’s a nice head of a legal pin to try to stand on, but fairly hopeless.

        Since the Mega system worked in a particular way, which the DoJ was aware of, it’s easy for any judge to see that if it wasn’t on file A, the same warrant could apply to unrelated file B. The system is the same, which is the key to the argument.

        They are very unlikely to win this argument, especially with Kim working so hard to fight extradition. It would appear that he feels that he would be found guilty if he went to the US, so he would rather fight by proxy. The courts generally do not look favorably on defendants who are purposely staying out of their jurisdiction.

    • icec0ld

      Maybe, you know, you should actually read the warrants linked in this article. If that’s too much for you maybe read just the article. I can also supply with a picture book version if it proves to hard to do.

      Any who, the comment of “they don’t know the evidence” is likely a grasp at the NZ courts asking that the US disclose the evidence they intend to use in the US trail Kim Dotcom is being extradited for since it is part of the extradition treaty that the extradee get a fair trail based on NZ standards.

      All in all, “last ditch effort”? One has clearly not kept up with the Megaupload case at all. At this stage it’s unlikely that NZ will extradite him based on the sole fact the US is not playing ball with extradition hearings refusing or at best ignoring court orders which is only serves to weaken their entire case. Clearly the US thought that Kim stripped of his assets would be unable to mount this level of defense. Clearly it’s the US that should be negotiating.

    • Jimmy671

      As usual,you’re full of shit Troll,trying to defend your paymasters.

      • Wallace

        Nobody would pay Bobmail to make antipiracy people look this bad. Unless they had record profits so large they didn’t know what do do with all the money. OH WAIT

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          But they DO know what to do with the money.

          Bribery and astroturfing come to mind. And if the astroturfers lack credibility and good arguments that might be because the official mouthpieces such as Chris Dodd set the foaming insanity-standard.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Did you take the red pill today?

      Because in the world the rest of us live in, New Zealand’s Prime minister apologized in public to Mr. Dotcom because of New Zealand’s unlawful conduct and unwarranted spying.

      Similarly it has verifiably emerged that the entire basis of the case, from the presented evidence to the seizures, were made in similar unlawful circumstances.

      Unlawful not only according to NZ law but to US law as well.

      So when judges, prosecutors and lawyers come out dismissing the handling of the case, the investigation of the case, the basis for the case and the actual evidence gathered you are telling me Dotcom is grasping at straws? Why? Because you are interpreting the stony silence and the delaying tactics from the DoJ as anything positive, something other than “Oops”?

      “Wow. You have to suspend your grip on reality to follow them.”

      I don’t know which reality you live in but in the one I live in, presumed innocence rules and a an arrest warrant has to be openly justified to be valid. not the other way around.

      Still, Bobmail, don’t let me keep you from your most excellent “Anon”-impersonation.
      Or will you be Mr. Bonaparte today?

      • bobmail

        “Because in the world the rest of us live in, New Zealand’s Prime minister apologized in public to Mr. Dotcom because of New Zealand’s unlawful conduct and unwarranted spying.”

        Yes, and remarkably, if you understood the US justice system, you would understand that it’s doesn’t change the status of the information collected as far as the US courts are concerned. It’s not a US law enforcement official that did the work, so the information cannot be “undisclosed” in the US.

        The NZ judge may rule that it’s makes it impossible to extradite Kim, but it would in no way hurt the US case – there would still be an international arrest warrant, and the moment Kim left NZ, he would be promptly arrested in almost any other place he went to.

        Face it: Kim has to come to the US to face the charges, like it or not. His only other option is to live his life out in NZ, sort of a bigger version of the hell Julian Assange as selected for himself rather than face his own legal problems. I tend to think of both of them as being chickenshits as a result. If you were man enough to do the deeds, you should be man enough to face up the courts for them.

    • Artist Freedom.

      Wow, you sir really give terms like riaatarded new life! You are terrible at discrediting the stereo type we all have of you maffia corporate exec types. You morons couldn’t manage your way out of a paper bag.

    • Guest

      “It’s a rather weak argument”

      HAHAHAHAHAHA

      The DoJ’s “proof” that MegaUpload was knowingly leaving up infringing files were 36 files that the U.S. government had told MegaUpload to leave up. This is enough to hand Kim Dotcom a sweeping victory, if we assume for a minute that the judges give a shit about the law and aren’t criminal corporate prostitutes.

      “they have spent months bitching that they don’t know the evidence or any of that, and suddenly they are able to determine that the warrants are invalid?”

      What kind of drugs are you on? Dotcom has been saying ever since the raid that he knows exactly what evidence the DoJ has against him: fabricated bullshit. Him and his lawyers determined the warrants were invalid a long time ago and they let the world know it. Infact, he spoke of these 36 files and the way the DoJ lied to the court about them months ago. But the wheels of “justice” turn slow as fuck so it’s only being filed just now.

      “They are grasping at straws now.”

      No, that would be you.

    • Wallace

      Bobmail is encouraged because of the exciting news that lawyers introduce different arguments at different time.

      I guess the good news is that he’s proved he’s never been in a courtroom in his life.

    • Lmfao at fucktards

      ‘fucktard’ (noun)

      A person of unbelievable inexcusable and indescribable stupidity. (stupidity being defined as “knowing how and doing it wrong anyway”) NOT A CONTRACTION FOR “FUCKING RETARD”! Those who are truly “Retarded” are not responsible for their affliction. True Fucktards are 100% responsible for their situation and provide vast entertainment as they are usually blissfully unaware of their own Fucktardery. bobmail and nejtilpirater for example.

  • Mf

    Noooo, law enforcement officials bending the truth to get their way? No, it can’t be… rolling eyes.

    • Jimmy671

      Afraid so,and it is very sad to see this happening.

  • Syborg

    Special K anyone?

  • Guest

    things to ask here are

    a) given what the government asked mega to do, who made the decision to lie to the courts?
    b)why has it taken so long for this information to actually be released to the court, given that it was known ages ago?
    c) think about what has happened and who instigated the whole proceedings.
    d) then think about the money, the power and the corrupt politicians that backed the DoJ action.
    e) then think about the measures being taken against ordinary people for simply sharing a cd with a friend
    f) then think about the chance an ordinary person has when trying to defend themselves against the money, the power and the corrupt politicians that are backing law enforcement when accused (with nothing other than an IP address as proof!) of corporate file sharing for profit!

    is it any wonder the industries are so despised? the latest figures, as an example, of the value of legal downloads in the UK last year was more than £1 billion but the industries still cry ‘piracy is killing us!’ what bollocks!!

    • Colin Carr

      You are, correctly, saying the little man has no chance against the might of the US injustice system. Sadly, it follows from this, that the little people will eventually take the law into their own hands, there being no other effective way to fight back.
      As a European, US gun laws horrify me, especially after the recent school massacre. However US gun laws may also hold the seeds of the destruction of the terminally corrupt US corporate state…

  • ZBOUB

    I don’t understand the interest for the DOJ to continue this case because all the population (except theses bitches of corporation) is against them and more it’s long, more Dotcom will request heavy compensation. They can always hide them in the illegality and delay, they can’t scroll, they made the shit, they clean, that’s all.
    And then we pulls the plug (John Key, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Chris Dodd, MPAA, RIAA, O Grady …).
    I will continue to always buy nothing at all about the entertainment industry.

    • MadAsASnake

      Because those doing it will be trying to save their skins now.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      “I don’t understand the interest for the DOJ to continue this case…”

      That one’s easy. Someone managed to roll a sufficiently high boss at the DoJ sufficiently to get a New Zealand anti-terror strike team to make an incredibly high-profile arrest.

      Now the “case” is turning into dribbly shit running through the fingers of the incredulous DoJ investigators who probably can not believe they were ordered into action on what turns out to be thoroughly false claims.

      It follows that sooner or later the body politic will feel the burn and ask the responsible person “On what grounds did you decide to toss the entire manual of conduct overboard and embarrass us this way?”

      And when that happens, said person in the DoJ had better have a case – any at all. My guess is the people responsible for ordering the NZ police into action are now very desperately trying to find ANY excuse at all to charge Dotcom with some crime to prove their conduct justified.

      Because when things like this happens you don’t just drop the case and say “I’m sorry, my bad”. Especially not if you’re the frigging Department of Justice. you throw the guy who messed up to the wolves, one tender bit at a time.

      • MadAsASnake

        Hence the theft of data from NZ Police custody. They want all the data they can get for a massive fishing expedition. Note that they would not in a million years get a court order for this illegal search…

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “Note that they would not in a million years get a court order for this illegal search…”

          Hence, I believe, why all the seriously disturbing raids are NOT happening in a place where checks and balances between civil rights and judiciary power are in effect.

          It’s easier to roll some foreign minister into ordering a raid on The Pirate Bay or Megaupload than it is to order something similar close to home. Especially when any judge close to home would provide the victim of the raid with your scalp on a silver platter and your balls as a side salad.

  • theonlyone

    Democracy has worn thin.

    • Jimmy671

      That’s for sure!
      Now it seems that a lot of Countries including the US
      are watering down their laws to make the 1% happy.

    • MadAsASnake

      I’m more inclined to think that liberal ideals are more important – and thet are under heavy assault.

  • Linman

    entrapment anyone??

  • KillYearight

    I’m sure this whole thing will end with Seal team six kicking in Dotcom’s door one night, and shooting him dead because he resisted.

    All possible because of some shadowy bill that congress passed, giving however the power to ignore domestic and international law… Because we, in the US don’t negotiate with terrorist like Dotcom.

    • MadAsASnake

      So we were right to be unconfortable when they did this with Bin Laden. Well, Bin Laden only killed 3000 people, KDC is a much bigger fish,:-/

  • Guest

    I do not believe for one minute that the DOJ will drop its case based on this revelation. There are just over $100 million+ in assets and money that have been seized and frozen and no way are the DOJ going to let this all be returned. The DOJ have already stated in a previous court appearance that if Dotcom is never extradited that they will keep all the assets and money frozen and will serve him for trial when ever he lands on US soil and I wouldn’t put it past the DOJ to get an international arrest warrant for the immediate arrest and transportation to the US of Dotcom should the extradition be refused.

    Now that this revelation has come out the DOJ will of course lie and BS in order to get out of accountability for the mishandling of the warrant and to keep the warrant valid but if the warrant is declared invalid (which is doubtful) then the DOJ will immediately appeal the decision and if at the end of all avenues of appeals the warrant is still stated to be invalid the DOJ will no doubt state that all the charges against Megaupload will still remain and stand that all the assets and money will remain frozen.

    Until Dotcom finds evidence of wrong doing etc.to use in this case from those at the very top and heart of those who brought the case against Megaupload in the US then there is no way that the DOJ will drop this case. Those at the top who brought the case against Megaupload will just sit back and not do anything to drop the case until of course evidence is found that proves there wrong doing in the case that starts to get them worried and panicking and looking for a way to get out of it.

    I hope that this is now the start of the end of the case against Megaupload and that the case is soon dropped and that Dotcom ends up suing the MPAA :)

    • MadAsASnake

      If the US courts hear this issue, they may have no other choice…

      • Guest

        Which the DOJ will make their dam hardest to ensure that the US court does not get to the hear the argument.

    • Hi Im Kimchi Men

      “and that Dotcom ends up suing the MPAA and RIAA :)”

      FTFY, i hope he sues both of them out of existence

  • Gmail

    220 jobs my ass.

    • Guest

      Don’t worry they will all be rehired on January 19th

    • MadAsASnake

      That is what happens when a company is closed down. All the employees loose their jobs. Pretty simple really.

  • Guest

    No but Kim can sue the US government in NZ and in front of the international court and have some US government assets seized to recover the 100 million dollars+compensation. It might also be able to sue some of the MPAA members.

  • Guest

    Another guy in trouble is the NZ prime minister.

  • Guest

    Warning, Don’t use link supplied, not what it appears to be.

  • NopE

    220 jobs lol.
    Also, please don’t stop smoking, it’s bad for your health but you don’t want people who make a living out of it to loose their jobs right ?

  • Pat

    The U.S.A. think they rule the world! kill there own people arrest the innocent and attack other countries without predigest

  • Soareem6

    As in history all great empires will eventually come to an end! The question is who will we say f**k to next?

  • Internet_Zen_Master

    Let’s be honest here.

    It’s one of the worst-kept secrets on the Internet that MegaUpload was a mecca for finding material that fall under the term we know as “copyright infringement”, something that is currently frowned upon by the majority of the baby boomer generation, and often followed by the words “…is theft/a crime”.

    Seriously, when there were plugins like Illuminitux popping up in order to bypass that blasted 72 minute mark for all the folks who weren’t premium members, it’s kinda obvious that something was going on.

    What most people forget about MU is that, despite it’s alleged reputation as a haven for pirates (although nowhere near the unsinkable hydra, The Pirate Bay), MU was rather competent when it came to complying with takedown requests (much to the chagrin of many a video streaming site Example: several anime sites frequently hosted subbed/dubbed videos on MU, and were often frustrated to log in one day to see that dozens of the files they used were gone ’cause Mega was performing another DMCA sweep, which occurred around every six-nine months iirc.

    So really, the only way for the DOJ to take MU and Dotcom down was to use the same tactic they’ve used on several recent “terrorist cells”: entrapment.

    In other words, the DOJ’s case is flimsy at best, and it seems that their war of attrition against the man with an ego the size of the Sun isn’t turning out like they were hoping.

    It’ll be interesting to see how the courts deal with this.

    The Zen Master says, “We’ll see.”

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      I wish someone had told the NZ minister of justice some similar wisdom – such as “Wise man no eat yellow snow” when he was presented with the case from abroad.

      Then again, you are certainly correct that the DoJ picked the wrong target if their case relied on the victim obediently rolling over and showing his belly in heartfelt pleas for mercy…

    • Guest

      It will be very interesting to read what the DOJ will reply to this filing. Will the DOJ state the obvious with regards to Megaupload being fully co-operative and compliant with the June 2010 warrant and not tampering with the 36 infringing files as per instructed and also that Megaupload sent emails asking if the files were to be deleted to which they were ignored and no response given.

      No of course the DOJ are not going to admit that they knew all along as they will of course be in the firing line from the Judge with admitting the truth and the November 2011 warrant will be invalidated and thus invalidating any evidence obtained from the warrant even if the DOJ could show that this evidence was in good faith.The DOJ will of course do everything they can BS, lie etc. in order to keep the truth of knowing from being revealed and the warrant and evidence obtained from that warrant to be invalidated.

      If the DOJ were to admit the truth then the case will be game over but the longer they BS and come out with things to prevent the truth from coming out the case will keep going and there is still some chance (no chance if you ask me) to them of winning the case.

      If the Judge states that the warrant could be invalidated because the DOJ witheld information etc, from when they applied for the warrant then I wouldn’t be surprised that the DOJ will state that all the charges against Megaupload will stand and remain if the warrant becomes invalidated just like they did with stating that if they can’t serve the warrant on Megaupload then the charges will stand and warrant served on Dotcom when he sets foot on US soil.

      The whole case in my opinion should be tossed out if the warrant is invalidated.

    • bobmail

      “So really, the only way for the DOJ to take MU and Dotcom down was to use the same tactic they’ve used on several recent “terrorist cells”: entrapment.”

      Actually, it’s Mega that entrapped itself, by having a system to allow users to “upload” without actually uploading files. In order to save storage and to make uploads “instant” they allowed users to bypass the upload process and instead used a common file with multiple URLs.

      Mega’s truly big mistake was applying DMCA style notices in a manner that is within the letter of the law but causes bigger problems. By only disabling the links (URLs) as reported, and not removing the common file, they created a situation where they were aware of infringing material on their site, but only removed links that were specifically reported. All other links remained intact. That is really the crux of the problem for them.

      Further, the business model sucked. Charging for access to something past a certain point suggests that they are aware of the value of what they were streaming. If the files were free from copyright,they would have generally been available for free somewhere else. The fee charged to see the end of a movie was a clear indication that they realized what they were doing wasn’t right.

      Finally, there are apparently a fair number of emails discussing this very thing between the site principals, and it’s pretty clear that they were all aware of what was on the site. In fact, the only way they wouldn’t know would be willful ignorance, specifically not looking because they knew what they would see. That in itself is a problem for them as well.

      Further, there is the creation of multiple companies and websites to filter users to Mega, with monies flowing back to those companies as “commissions”, which is an attempt to keep the money away from the main mega company, and to give it to these other sites in a form of laundering the money. That is again one of the key issues here, the structure created to move the money was made specifically to move the money from country to country and to “clean it” so that it didn’t appear to come from piracy, but rather from normal website operations of marketing companies.

      I think you need to go back and re-read the whole story (and not the versions posted on sites like TorrentFreak) to understand what was actually going on.

      • Internet_Zen_Master

        Oh don’t worry, I’ve kept tabs on the MegaUpload case for awhile now. I’m fully aware of the emails the DOJ has presented as well. That said, as I posted on other sites covering this story, it was one of the worst-kept secrets on the Internet that MegaUpload was a great source for finding copyrighted/cracked content.

        As for the creation of multiple companies, I think you’re being a little ridiculous here. Every ‘company’ had MEGA in front of word that followed, so it’s not like they were trying to hide that the companies (which were more like “divisions” for lack of a better term atm) were tied to the main MegaUpload.

        And having separate divisions (Video, music, porn, and so forth) is really just good business sense. I mean, would you want some 13-year-old kid that was browsing MegaVideo to run across a file containing amateur porn when he’s searching for a family vacation video? It’s like organizing files on your computer: you don’t want your porn collection getting mixed up with your work, so you put the files in different folders.

        As for charging for access past a certain point on things like MegaVideo? Again, it was a business decision intended to cut down on the number of freeloaders visiting the site (and particularly MegaVideo. I would know, I was one of those freeloaders back in the day).

        The 72 min cutoff mark actually carried over between videos (like say, five 15 minute long videos), so the automatic assumption that it was originally intended for copyrighted films is rather faulty. Now, would that business model work today? Given the f***ing hydra of video streaming sites (Rutube, Fileshare, etc) that popped up in the wake of the takedown, I doubt it. More likely they’ll go with what youtube and the other video players are doing these days: 30 second commercial before (and sometimes after) the video plays.

        So while the DOJ may actually have something to go after Dotcom with, the fact they went after him by accusing him of copyright infringement for videos that MU couldn’t legally take down, since they were evidence for a case against another video streaming site, and generally speaking, you don’t mess with things that are “under investigation” until the authorities say you can (tampering/destroying evidence). That said, MU was being contacted by the DOJ for that case through Carpathia Hosting, who told them that they were to preserve the evidence and keep users unaware of the investigation, which had started in 2010 against one of MU’s users. However, at the same time, there was a separate investigation going on against the “Mega Conspiracy” that had started three months earlier.

        Now, was the second investigation used as a pretext for the MU shutdown? Maybe, maybe not. We’ll find out when (more like if) this ever goes trial. Which with the DOJ’s repeated stalling in Dotcom’s extradition trial, is looking less and less likely.

        As the Zen Master says, “We’ll see.”

  • tonyj123

    I don’t see any other option for Kim Dotcom but to sue the MPAA and RIAA, they are literally behind this fiasco.

    • Guess

      Whenever this is over maybe other countries & companies will soon realize that the us is corrupt and deny access for filesharers information and filesharing,torrent,ect sites will be fine.

  • Luke Solis

    Mega upload, one of America’s greatest fuck ups. it comes after the fuck up in Vietnam

  • d_e_n_n_i_s

    The “case” against Kim Dotcom is a farce. It relies totally on USDOJ’s contention that Carpathia Hosting in Virginia is “the Internet service provider” and Kim Dotcom and his companies/services are one huge/mega client. It doesn’t stand up. Dotcom is the ISP in terms of all their own legislation. They can’t have it both ways. Carpathia had no control of the content. To regard it as the “ISP” is like claiming jurisdiction because of the location of a power company. The locale is not Virginia, it is Coatesville. A US Federal judge lacks jurisdiction in this “matter” to do anything he has/or hasn’t done!

  • darkZERO

    When I hear about politics its all about “Obama” and “Boner” these days.

    Although I don’t know much about law, when I picture Obama’s face next to Boners, it really makes for a perfect picture of politics:

    You wish they would stop with the cheap storyline and get down to business because we all know their hands are already working under the table.

    (Ideally, Boner slaps Obama multiple times across the face for getting the Nobel Peace prize despite having done nothing peaceful.)

    And since most Americans here seem to agree that all this political thrusting is the result of a lot of corporate rape fantasies dry humping in a room and calling it ”Congress”… what can we do about it?

    Someone mentioned revolution earlier. It’s a romantic idea – but how many of us are really excited to jump headfirst into the military industrial meat grinder only to come out the other side as soylent green? Not a tasty ending.

    That said, there is always a way. Every system has a weakness and it’s probably money. Governments only care about infringement because it costs the corporations that fund them money. If there was a threat to income taxes they’d try to kill that too.

    Time is money. War is money. Copyright is money. Congress is money. And they use all that money to kill somebody on the other side of the world… why? For money.

    That’s why it makes me laugh when they send in the black helicopter’s to confiscate 9 year old’s laptops. Because it reveals how broke they really are.

    If American’s stop buying things for a day and instead get it for free – you are pulling out all the corks keeping the Corporation afloat right now. If you pirate that movie instead of buying it you just cost Senator Cocksuck his big role with the Whip. We know, politicians need to eat too. But now is the time to draw the line.

    What would happen if we stopped paying them to make shitty decisions? “No, I won’t fund the government to shoot at us with drones and look at me naked in the airport.” Seriously. How long would you keep shopping there if they did that at Walmart?

    Well I’m not paying Obama to spend any time face to face with Boner behind closed doors any more… or with any of those two-faced backstabbing old queers with an “I Owe You” sitting where their soul is supposed to be.

    I mean, I’d rather come up with my own solution even if I fail horribly than wait for Boner’s big finish to deflate what’s left of this country. Everyone gets to make a choice. But I would love to see Americans turn off the news & make their own solutions to this now.

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  • USA2013

    the problem with the US being a citizen myself is that WE R POWER & MONEY HUNGRY its almost like we look for war example bush senior gulf war oil his son we lost the wtc i think think the the USA has gone to the 10th level of hell since ww2 ended. and its about time we stand up for our rights we voted the fuckers in bout time we clean house of our tyrants its almost like and i repeat almost like living the third Reich without the holocaust. We are no longer a freedom country with lockup here law suit there. The reason in my opinion why so many download movies and software via torrent is because its way to expensive I’m the kind of person who would say try it on torrent 1st then buy it if u like it. most of the time a person will buy something if the want it that badly.

  • http://twitter.com/JerkfaceMcGee Jerkface McGee

    That’s a broad generalization. Just because America is under siege by corporate interests does not mean all of her people agree with her. That’s the equivalent of saying “FUCK SWEDEN” or “FUCK NEW ZEALAND”.

  • Doodoohead

    Without USA you would not be on the internet. AOL motherfucker, Al Gore invented the internet.

  • OneEyedWillie

    Look we all don’t like how the USA handled this at all. These people are criminals and should be punished. However, the entire USA is not at fault. Please don’t insult and entire country as you just make yourself look bad.

  • napule

    as an american, I too say FUCK USA land of the corporate rulers

  • Guest

    No. Not fuck USA.

    Fuck the US government! The US government has been taken over by the corporations.

    Yes it is the duty of the US citizen to destroy these corporations and claim back their government. It is their duty to prosecute all the past and present criminals involved with the government.

    I mean seriously, how could anyone trust a government who kidnaps and tortures people in flagrant violation of the law of the country?

    Why Bush and is friends have not been trial for treason? Why the Obama administration can continue to trample the US constitution with impunity continuing rendition and assassination?

    US is obviously turning into an unlawful fascist country and it is time for the US citizen to do something serious about it such as arresting and prosecuting their leaders before the country collapse.

  • OneEyedWillie

    I think more correctly would be: Fuck the USA Government not its people!

  • JordanKratz

    Fuck my Government ! I want to see them get what they deserve ! I have been watching their BS for over 4 Decades now.
    They were and are “The Establishment” ! I never stopped the good fight.Been here for years going to Protests and playing my freely shared Punk Rock.
    And I totally agree with all of you from other Nations as well as my own.
    My Government Sucks Shit and even the Polls show how many people dislike the stuff going on.

  • the jesus cristo

    The battle with MPAA and RIAA has to be fought and won in USA, not any other insignificant country. On the global market, America is the only country that matters.

  • Scary_Devil_Monastery

    I live in sweden and I have to say I would be full of understanding to anyone saying “Fuck this country”.

    True patriotism can only come from recognizing the flaws of one’s country – and then working to correct them.

  • Sketch

    well said…….i get tired of people that are taught from the cradle spewing their hate like some death to america terrorist…..how come i never hear anyone saying fuck the UK….arent those ISP’s blatantly bending over to fuck their own customers????? and the govt completely supports it, but even then its the US’s fault…….DOH!

  • Tom Zarek

    Did he fuck!

    Tim Berners Lee invented the Internet. DARPANET, it’s (spiritual) predecessor had fuck all to do with Al Gore either.

  • John Hooper

    Imbecile. Al Gore didn’t invent the Internet. It used to be called America Online. All Gore did was rename it to the Internet and upgrade the pipes so that non-Americans could get shop on it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003037095323 Jerilyn Nighy

    The fuck he did. He invented the web. Not the net. Ted Nelson gave a name to the concept of hypertext.

  • John Hooper

    Bullshit. He invented the Bunsen Berner.

  • Sotirimm

    Ar you so stupid? Without a http there woud be internet but only with ip adres.

  • 123fakest

    RAmen!

  • JordanKratz

    Good One !
    That is why as an American I must Apologize to all of you for the actions of my asshole Government.
    Over 85% of my own Nation is pissed off at these guys for one reason or the other.

  • Whatever

    @JordanKratz

    Aren’t you as a population supposed to have guns to get rid of your “asshole Government” whenever they do something that causes that 85% of your “own Nation is pissed off at these guys”.

    America should be the easiest country in the world to overthrow the corporate dictatorship.

  • Gen. Eric Guy

    Leave it to the assholes who think it a good idea to shoot up elementary schools and movie theaters and etc. to ruin it for the rest of us.

    Makes me wish they were conspiracies by the government to enforce their own agenda. At least then, fighting back would look more justified by the eyes of the common public. Unfortunately, we’re still a country of sheeple either way.

  • OneEyedWillie

    I commented later in this thread that we have some bad elements that got into our government or are controlling somehow. It looks like bad elements are also alive and well on TorrentFreak as well napule!

  • JordanKratz

    I second that !
    FUCK YOU GOVERNMENT !

  • Anonymous

    If this were an isolated incident I would agree, but quite frankly the USA is wreaking havoc, and its citizens are, for the most part, ignoring the gross incompetence, neglect and malicious abuse of its government. The citizens seem to take little to no interest in important concerns, and are all to happy to reward broken campaign promises and the destruction of civil liberties with re-election or a hand-waved indifference. The united states utilizes its position in the global economy, global politics and war mongering to force legislation upon other countries through trade ‘agreements’ , corporate lobbying remains one of the most influencial ways of dictating policy dispite voting numbers being vastly more important to a politician’s career. The American people need to step up and make public opinion heard over corporate checks instead of simply letting government sort out itself, and once every 4 years checking the box of a lying politician they know can’t be trusted. Believe me, we are not the ones who look bad for being fed up with a fat, bloated country dictate corporate interest global policy to nations trying for positive reform.

  • http://twitter.com/sheepodoom SheepODoom

    Short of overthrowing the current government there is one other option We need MORE like minded folks running for office. in 23 months we in the USA hold mid Term elections. If 60% of the house seats & all the house Seats were won by the Pirate party then & only then can we see REAL Change.

  • Scary_Devil_Monastery

    “Please don’t insult and entire country as you just make yourself look bad.”

    Actually, we should. Just not one-sidedly. The US, Sweden, most of the nations in the EU quite frankly have all lost it. The body politic is riddled with utter and complete arseholes while the ordinary joe scrambles madly around, wondering why everything turned to crap in such a hurry.

    Over half of every citizen in every nation tends to swallow whatever lie they get spoonfed by every vested interest with media time. Without either criticism or a sanity check.

    So yes, we can blame the entire US of A the same way we can blame Sweden, Canada, and France. Because the main majority of the citizenry is loafing around playing the fiddle while the few that can are pillaging anything they can get their hands on. The US only happens to be the player with the most pull concurrently and thus draws most of the flak. The UK would be doing the same, were it still an imperial power.

    As a swedish citizen the one and only reason I can stand tall at all is by being severely and soundly critical about my government and the current prevailing parties. In all other aspects when someone today says sweden is fucked up I simply nod and say “yes. I know”. That’s where changing a nation must start.

    In the US people are slowly waking to that fact – as illustrated by the occupy movement and the surge of civil rights movements over the last few years. And the reason that happens is because the people in those movements have recognized fully that right now, the US citizenship is nothing to be proud of in and of itself alone.

  • JordanKratz

    I agree and I am an American ! Either Fight the good fight or shut the fuck up.
    My Government is dysfunctional, corrupt, and full of greedy assholes.
    I am an American and I am admitting to the World the failure of my Government !
    I am sorry for the things they do.Some of us are ready to fight.

  • JordanKratz

    When they March on the Capital I will join them ! I am ready to see all the schmucks dragged out in Public and Tarred & Feathered just like the good old days.
    We will rise up one day and they will regret ever fucking with us common people.

  • http://twitter.com/sheepodoom SheepODoom

    Then the ONLY option is Revolution.

  • Guest

    Your one day gonna takes forever.

  • ITakeAPotatoChipAndEatIt

    First things first. You gotta prevent them from taking are guns first, if they succeed, Then they’ve already won.

  • Smekken

    “Every nation gets the government it deserves.”
    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Joseph_de_Maistre

  • 7th_Guest

    Actually, the US (America isn’t a country) is pretty much the only country that doesn’t matter when it comes to turning the tide on Corporate Copyright’s war against Culture and Civil Liberties. The smoldering battlegrounds where the fight is unfolding are throughout Europe, in Australia and possibly Canada too. Russia can barely be bothered to give two squirts ’bout “protecting (US) IP against theft” unless it’s after something very specific from the yanks, China’s even more indifferent since their aversion to any kinda IP enforcement is essentially what’s allowed their society to cover a 50-60 year technological gap in less than 20 years and arrive to their current state and Japan & South Korea have deposited their balls in a US bank deposit box loooong ago.

    No, these days it’s largely up to European citizens of our generation to keep the pressure on our aging legislature and representatives and let them know that their jobs are very much on the line at this point, should they decide to continue kowtowing to the pro-copyright agenda from abroad to secure better trade deals for their plutocrat, industrialist friends in return. Meanwhile, all that takes place at the expense of our privacy, our unfettered communication and our access to global knowledge and culture and we’ll be damned if we’re gonna let that happen. It may take at least a decade or so for the dust to settle, but once the war’s won, what “America” will want and cry about like an entitled bully will be totally irrelevant. Assuming it’s still a leading economy in 2020, that is…

  • Colin Carr

    For the American people to challenge their corporate shill government, they first need to know what that government is doing. Main stream media don’t them as they are corporate owned & turkeys don’t vote for Christmas.

    So Americans need to get their news from indie sources – usually found on the internet.

    Guess why internet freedoms are so relentlessly attacked by the corporate shill US government…

  • Colin Carr

    The USA is a nation in decline, but doesn’t yet recognise that fact. She has HUGE debts built up fighting unjust wars to enrich the arms manufacturers (Lockheed-Martin, Grumman-Northrop, Boeing etc). Similarly, after WW1 Britain had huge debts from buying arms and was a declining power. It wasn’t until after WW2 we KNEW we were no longer Top Nation. The US had taken over.
    Now, I’d advise everyone to watch China’s star rising. But don’t expect the Chinese government to care a sh*t about our human rights either. After all, some of the 1% are Chinese …

  • Scary_Devil_Monastery

    “China’s even more indifferent since their aversion to any kinda IP enforcement is essentially what’s allowed their society to cover a 50-60 year technological gap…”

    Actually it’s more than that. Barring the odd 50-year period of social experimentation here and there, China invented capitalism 4000 years ago and have been running it ever since. Adam Smith by chinese lights was a rookie and Milton Friedman a clueless n00b.

    And there are reasons the chinese don’t respect IP – they know full well that it is not in the end compatible with a competitive marketplace. That’s not to say that a chinese businessman won’t play that game, just that he knows full well it’s an unstable scam he can make some money from while the going’s still good.

    Other than that, I think you are both right and wrong in your assumptions. Europe is where the crunch will come first, simply since european governments have taken for granted powers over it’s citizenry that even the US government is hard-pressed to emulate today.

    Clueless idiots such as our dear “Baghdad-Bob Anon” crows every time he hears about some new draconian scheme on the table in the US – utterly failing to recognize that most of Europe already has state powers and legislations which trump even the US media conglomerates wildest wet dreams – and all in vain. And are using those powers.

    Sweden, to bring up one example, has an estimated filesharing community of 25% of the online community. Along with government as well as police powers which would make both “Anon” and “bobmail” fall off their chairs in disbelief. Swedish police can casually violate basic tenets of privacy to an extent which in the US would result in a successful lawsuit worth millions.
    The Pirate Bay Trial would have been tossed straight out of court in the US as soon as the first discrepancy was detected. That trial could only have been carried in Sweden.

    Germany, to name another example, does make the owner of a wifi router responsible for his connection (which is frankly insane). Along with having one of the most rabid copyright-enforcers in existence (GEMA). Doesn’t work either.

    France has…HADOPI. Nuff said, except that HADOPI has in a mere few years of operation worked so badly it’s already in line for hefty budget cuts and official censure. And there’s no hope on the horizon for it either.

    But the US judiciary, for instance, put paid to anything even remotely resembling France’s HADOPI in any number of instances five years back, and even watered-down versions of ACTA, SOPA and PIPA were decisively sunk by tide of public opinion. The US has far far weaker tools in general at it’s disposal as far as copyright enforcement is concerned than europe does – and there’s little to no chance it will ever gain any stronger than it currently has. They are left with nonsensical and ineffective “voluntary N strikes schemes” instead.

    The european data retention directive is something which would – instantly – be struck down in thunder and great furor by the US constitutional court, the same way the German constitutional court blocked the directive in Germany.

    In Europe governments can and do usurp such wide-ranging powers over their citizenry’s privacy and communication that in some cases you’d be forgiven for thinking you’d landed in the DDR of the 60′s. And it’s all been proven useless. Piracy has not been affected by any such measures, no matter how extreme. On the contrary, every time anyone even hears of it, pirate numbers swell along with open public sympathy.

    You are right in stating that the crunch will come in Europe. I predict, however, that the US will be extremely tenacious in holding the copyright fort. Unwisely enough too many politicians and parties have nailed themselves inextricably to the mast of that particular ship. When that axe falls, the powers that be won’t be powers anymore.

  • bobmail

    @ Scary_Devil_monastery:

    “Clueless idiots such as our dear “Baghdad-Bob Anon” crows every time he hears about some new draconian scheme on the table in the US”

    With all fairness, you can bite me. Just because you don’t like my opinion doesn’t make me wrong. Your sweeping dismissal is pretty much a clear indication that you don’t want to hear anything except the sound of your own voice, turned up to 11 in your headphones of life.

    The funny part is that you ALMOST get it right, but you fail because you draw a conclusion favorable to your views, not those of reality. Reality says that the governments of the world (and the courts) are coming to grips with the internet, and it’s almost impossible to imagine a situation where piracy will remain at it’s same level and just as easy.

    Better prosecutions, better legal approaches, better cooperation between governments and countries, and a better fundamental grasp of the games played by pirates to try to avoid legal action are all on the table. The MegaUpload case is really all about the US looking past the game of international hide and seek and going to the guts of the issue. Kim tried to operate from New Zealand, with a series of companies owned in Hong Kong and other countries, using servers in other countries, and being a citizen of another country as ways to cloud the issues at hand. In the end, it doesn’t work, because it’s been exposed. Even if he never actually has to face justice, he will spend the rest of his natural life with a pending US case and an international arrest warrant hanging over him. The very game he used to try to hide his ill gotten gains are the same that are going to hang him.

    With Russia being the latest to join in the fight, the number of places where piracy can thrive in the dark corners is shrinking. The risk / reward equation is shifting, with the risk going up and the reward really going down. Does anyone really want to screw their life up by spending time in jail, convicted of pirating and reselling gay porn? The ugly truth is that it’s something that stays with you all your life.

    With more and more cases concluding with big settlements, jail time, or both, it’s clear that the risk is going up. There are only so many people willing to take that risk.

  • Scary_Devil_Monastery

    What you mean to say is if any pirate party members at all get voted in, things will change. When Sweden managed to send two people to the EU parliament, things changed radically. The entire green group adopted the Pirate Party policy for one thing. And today we are being listened to.

    In germany every other party is scrabbling to incorporate pirate politics in their agenda since the german population now consistently votes 10% pirate.

    Because even one name in congress and senate, aside from being a voice of dissent in the halls of power represents the most powerful of all political motives: Swing Votes Up For Grabs.

    If either the dems or the reps in the US think there’s an extra 5% votes to be gained net by adopting pirate politics, then the next president will be quoting Geist and Falkvinge.

    The pro-copyright crowd knows this, being old at the game, which is why they spend hundreds of millions in campaigns trying to convince the general public filesharers are terrorists, pedophiles, drug dealers and of course, thieves (hence the decrepit old “theft” argument obsessively wheeled into every conversation on a stretcher and an iron lung).

  • Fuck Them All

    We do say fuck the UK. We also say Fuck the USA. And we havent been taught from the cradle to say these things, we have been brought around to these views by capitalist corporate cocksucking fuckers who only want to make more billions and fuck the little guys.

    So yes, fuck the lot of them.

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