Microsoft Funded Startup Aims to Kill BitTorrent Traffic

The Russian based “Pirate Pay” startup is promising the entertainment industry a pirate-free future. With help from Microsoft, the developers have built a system that claims to track and shut down the distribution of copyrighted works on BitTorrent. Their first project successfully stopped tens of thousands of downloads.

pirate pay Hollywood, software giants and the major music labels see BitTorrent as one of the largest threats to their business.

Billions in revenue are lost each year, they claim. But not for long if the Russian based startup “Pirate Pay” has its way. The company has developed a technology which allows them to attack existing BitTorrent swarms, making it impossible for people to share files.

The idea started three years ago when the developers were building a traffic management solution for Internet providers. The technology worked well. It was able to stop BitTorrent traffic if needed, which made the developers realize that they might have built the holy anti-piracy grail.

“After creating the prototype, we realized we could more generally prevent files from being downloaded, which meant that the program had great promise in combating the spread of pirated content,” Pirate Pay CEO Andrei Klimenko says.

With this new business model in mind the company continued to develop their product, and it didn’t take long before an investor was willing to support it. Last year Pirate Pay received a $100,000 investment from the Microsoft Seed Financing Fund.

Microsoft Russia’s president praised the innovative idea, which his company would also be able to use in the future.

With the cash injection the company continued working on their anti-piracy solution and December last Direktcya Kino was the first to hire Pirate Pay’s services. For a month Pirate Pay’s technology protected the film “Vysotsky. Thanks to God, I’m alive,” (distributed by The Walt Disney Studios Sony Pictures Releasing company) with moderate success.

The company doesn’t reveal how it works, but they appear to be flooding clients with fake information, masquerading as legitimate peers.

“We used a number of servers to make a connection to each and every P2P client that distributed this film. Then Pirate Pay sent specific traffic to confuse these clients about the real IP-addresses of other clients and to make them disconnect from each other,” Andrei Klimenko says.

The end result was that 44,845 transfers were successfully stopped. How many downloads slipped through, and whether the downloaders didn’t simply try again later is unknown. Pirate Pay don’t disclose their exact rates but say they charge between $12,000 and $50,000 depending on the scope of the project.

While Pirate Pay claim their technology is truly unique, it is not the first company to tackle BitTorrent piracy. The now defunct MediaDefender charged hundreds of thousands of dollars to attack BitTorrent trackers and upload fake torrent files.

MediaDefender was rebranded to Peer Media, and under this brand they continue to offer these and other anti-piracy services.

Whether Pirate Pay is truly different and more effective than any of the other solutions remains to be seen. Even if it’s hugely effective, the scattered nature of BitTorrent makes it practically impossible to stop all infringing downloads of a movie, while the costs may outweigh the “losses” that are prevented.

Companies that really want to make Pirates Pay are probably better off investing in improvements to their legal offers.

Article updated to emphasize that Direktcya Kino was the first client.

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oh look, I’m on a private site… £100,000++ wasted
- PrivatePercy
  
  1) Private sites offer no more secuirty or anonmity that public sites.
  2) Private sites collect all your torrent usage data and associate it with your account.
  3) Private sites are full of selfish, elitist arseholes.
  - djnforce9
    
    1) If registrations are closed, then not just anyone can get on to these sites meaning that anti-piracy outfits are very unlikely to make an appearance there and see what content is being served. Even if they did manage to sneak in, once they start using this jamming technology, they’d be discovered and banned in no time.
    
    2) Depends on the site and its administrators’ policies.
    
    3) Most likely the hardest private trackers to get on will attract some rather egocentric people just BECAUSE of what a feat it is to even be on there in the first place. You generally have to know one of the admins and have a killer internet connection (like on a seedbox) to contend with the extremely unforgiving sharing and ratio rules. However, that doesn’t mean “ALL” members of “ALL” private trackers will be condescending towards everyone else.
    - Concerned Citizen
      
      yeah because none of the obfuscating digital mercenaries are already members right? RIGHT?!!
    - Anonymous
      
      You’re an idiot if you think that there is a single private tracker out there that hasn’t already been infiltrated by copyright industry / law enforcement. On the other hand it is true that anybody attempting to use the tech described in this article on a private tracker would simply be banned.
    - Wtfisgoinonlarry
      
      haha! “It’s private so they can’t get in”…that is thee most laughable statement I’ve ever heard. Dude, they have agents working from INSIDE AL QAEDA FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!!!!!!!!! BUT OH NO, they could never breach the walls of a private website! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
    - Anonymous
      
      djnforce9 didn’t suggest private sites are highly secure- but they are, statistically, *more* secure than open trackers (restricted membership, monitoring for abuse). Also, antipiracy groups clearly tend to focus their limited resources on the less labor-intensive, big targets: public torrents.
    - Boom
      
      @ead1278412e58e246331c005f72f5fcb:disqus please let me know where he said “It’s private so they can’t get in”
      
      He simply said its more secure, which is true.
      Registrations are closed so its more work for them to monitor, also when the trolls are discovered they will get banned from the tracker.
    - Wah wah wah…
      
      I was motivated to join a private site back in 2009 due to the terrible speeds I was constantly getting from Pirate Bay torrents. Like most users I knew full well that, just like the public sites, there was no safety in doing so and that nothing was stopping the alphabet agencies from joining and tracking IP addresses. I didn’t care though as, like I said, I joined for the speed (downloading isn’t outlawed here yet fwiw). One of the nice things about a private site that also makes it worth joining is how disruptive individuals with bad attitudes are easily banned. This helps create an friendly, polite, helpful environment for the file sharing community, especially for those whom truly believe sharing is caring. It’s really no different from having to sign up in order to post on a forum. The only ones who bitch and moan are the immature jerks who get banned for good reason. They’ve earned their ban and I don’t feel sorry for them. I didn’t stop using public sites either as I figured why limit myself when I can get the best of both worlds? I’m sure there are bad private trackers out there, but considering nobody is forcing you to use those when so there are so many different ones available, it’s hard to see why someone would complain.
    - PrivatePercy
      
      @barney55:disqus Here’s some private sites that have targeted in the past: Oink, ElitTorrents, SceneTorrents, FileSoup, EliteBits, SweBits, P2PBG, Elit-BG, XNT.nu, SweDVDR, Pornolab, Empornium, PureTNA, Cheggit, Torrents.ru, TorrentsMD, Finreactor and nCore.
      
      @a62940e38cb0b9dac2b8f92eedf7d8f7:disqus If private site users cared about the community, they wouldn’t be using sites that restrict the sharing of content, fragment the swarms and prevent you from using a backup tracker.
    - idiots can’t read
      
      @ Wtfisgoinonlarr, dreamfeed, you guys are pathetic with no reading comprehension skills. read the comment again and point out where it says “It’s private so they can’t get in” or that there are private trackers that hasn’t been infiltrated
    - Boom
      
      @13cfde744a59644b9b3f7d183c114709:disqus how do they ‘restrict the sharing of content’?
      
      The private sites I belong to are niche sites, they provide only a certain type of content, such as Porn, Anime, Movies, TV, etc.
      
      If you mean they dont let everyone upload or dont allow uploads of the EXACT same file, well this is only a benefit as you dont have to sift through hundreds of duplicates with low seeds, or deal with fake files
      
      I get a feeling you are someone who tried joining a private site once and got banned, maybe you were annoying, maybe you never seeded back
      
      I have been on private trackers for years, never had a seedbox, and my home connection upload is only 25 kb/s MAX and I hardly get that high of a upload, yet my ratio is above 1
    - PrivatePercy
      
      @f23934041d65b03b8cb09cff5aa3f7b2:disqus Private trackers restrict the sharing of content to those behind their walled garden. And no, I’ve never tried to gain membership with any private tracker. I do find it hiliarious however, that private tracker users always fall back to this retort when confronted with criticism about private trackers.
      
      Like I said, private trackers are bad for the bittorrent community. We could have torrents with hundreds of thousands of seeds if it wasn’t for private sites fragmenting the swarms.
    - Anonymous
      
      I call bullshit.
      
      “…they appear to be flooding clients with fake information, masquerading as legitimate peers.”
      
      This would not work very easily & would probably be patched in all major clients if it did happen. It’s really very hard to masquerade as a legit peer when you’re not. After you send a few bad blocks of data, the client already auto-bans that IP. The worst that is gonna do it slow down the download. Not stop it. And unless they are using proxies or running thousands of machines from different IP ranges, I REALLY can’t see the end-user even noticing the slow-down.
    - Sdza
      
      All you need to get on a private tracker is a sack of money. Then request on ebay to buy someones account. What is your account worth?
    - Theguest
      
      @866071549ef4ad6968182a0730ae5b00:disqus PrivatePercy
      Sorry bro but you’re an idiot. The reason private sites restrict access is to keep dysfunctional neanderthals like you out. A high quality private tracker is like a gorgeous, expensive, and clean call girl, while on the other hand you’re using a disgusting 40 year old crackwhore with every STD known to man, have fun putting your dick in that.
    - Anonymous
      
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    - Anonymous
      
      my roomat e’s e x-w ife got p aid $ 15158 the prior we ek. she is m aking an inc ome on th e lapt op and g ot a $ 5848 00 h ome. A ll she di d was g et fort unate and s et to wo rk the ad vice sh own o n th is we b si te ===>> ?????? makecash-home.blogspot.com
  - Guest
    
    lol…wrong.
  - Anonymous
    
    For music, at least, the private sites have a way better selection.
    - Chaejbkz
      
      Gee, I dunno about that.
      I found almost 80% of my fantastic music collection (Full metal discographies in FLAC and mp3 VBR0, almost 2TB now) on public blogs, mostly Russian.
      
      Russian blogs FTW.
  - Anonymous
    
    1. The torrent sites I use most often have never had open registrations and many only open invites at certain times. Can people still get in? Sure. Is it more secure than public? Of course, anyone with common sense can tell you that.
    2. What sites do you belong to? I belong to over a dozen private and absolutely 0 of them do that.
    3. And here’s the real reason you wanna whine about private trackers. Did somebody break the rules and get banned from a good site? Private site are full of rule enforcers who are not afraid to ban you, that doesn’t make them assholes, just you.
    
    Go back to your public sites, have fun getting sued and hanging out with out you dirty leecher friends.
    - PrivatePercy
      
      I’ve never been a member of any private sites, never tried to gain membership and never will try. Public sites have everything I want and the torrents I download max out my connection. Also, I think they’re bad for the bittorent community because they restrict the sharing of content.
      
      So, why would I waste any time on private sites?
      
      There’s zero chance of me being sued because I know how to protect myself and public torrent users seed all the time, thats why there’s torrent on TPB from 2005 that are still seeded and it’s why popular torrents can have tens of thousands of seeders.
      
      Private site users are the leeches, they regularly turn to public sites when they can’t find what they’re looking for on one of their private sites, only they don’t seed back because they don’t have to.
    - Anon
      
      PrivatePercy seems to have a twisted view of private trackers..
      
      I am not sure why why you would want to limit yourself to public sites. I am an avid private tracker user. There is no comparing BTN, What.CD, PTP, etc to The Pirate Bay in most any way.
      
      I have access to around 50 private trackers. Some of the best, some are just trash. If am looking for something The Pirate Bay is one of my last resorts.. Most anything I want I find at the first tracker I try. Usually at worst I end up on a higher end 0day tracker. It is very rare for me to end up at sites like IPT, FF, Demonoid and still not find what I am looking for and I hate even using those sites. But this is the point I will finally check The Pirate Bay and then even the storage locker web sites.
      
      I would guess PrivatePercy doesn’t know what he is missing…
    - PrivatePercy
      
      @f620f4647fb816073c9152a284245e64:disqus I’ll find more content on BitSnoop or BTDigg than you’ll find on all those 50 private sites put together. Plus, I don’t have to waste any time trying to get invites and sign up to 50 sites, I don’t have to create a single account. I also don’t have to worry about spreading myself too thin to maintain a high enough ratio not to get banned on 50 sites.
      
      Enjoy wasting your time.
    - Danny
      
      Private Percy sounds like a whining bitch.
      
      I use both private and public trackers. The private sites I belong too have much better download speed and pre time (if you’re into that) than any public trackers.
      
      The community of my favourite tracker is awesome too, always friendly, and the admins are up for a laugh and open to site suggestions. I bet you have never even spoken to the admins of your beloved pirate bay.
    - Anonymous
      
      I use public and private trackers and I can honestly testify that private trackers are way better than public ones. @13cfde744a59644b9b3f7d183c114709:disqus is just ignorant of the awesomeness that is a private torrent tracker. It’s not his fault, he doesn’t know any better.
      
      Either that or he is a butthurt troll.
  - Jimmy
    
    1) Even though private trackers may have been infiltrated by anti-P2P groups, only admins, owners and major uploaders have ever been prosecuted for the very few private trackers which have been shut down.
    2) Private trackers have taken huge steps in preventing themselves from being taken down. Some which have gone down have been shut down voluntarily by the owners, keeping the members safe.
    3) Yes some private tracker staff and members are elitist, but if you’re just using the tracker to download and seed so what?
    - Guest
      
      When caught, if admin of any private site is given a choice between going to jail and coughing up details of the top 100 uploaders/downloaders, I can bet you my bottom dollars that each and every one of them will go for the second choice. We have been lucky that the MAFIAA is satisfied with prosecuting the admins only.
  - Anon
    
    I never really see mass lawsuits against end users downloading from private trackers. Those are all targeted against the huge public sites like The Pirate Bay. Of course they could pretty easily get into most any private tracker and do the same thing, but sites like The Pirate Bay seem to be much better targets for them. Most your better private trackers usually offer SSL, HTTPS, etc. Which is a big plus for the end users where their ISP tries to block or slow down certain types of traffic.
    
    Some of these private trackers are not really very private though. Some have tons of users, almost always open registration, nearly unlimited invites for everyone or something of that nature. However some sites are capped around 5,000 users with very few invites ever given. I took me months to get in some of those sites like that. Others like I mentioned at first anyone with a tiny bit of effort can get into within minutes or hours. None of that is really that much security but it sure cuts down on the bullshit.
    - Boom
      
      If it has open registrations then its not really private now is it?
      
      Real private sites are invite only, but that still that does not mean the trolls cant or have not infiltrated the site
    - PrivatePercy
      
      @f23934041d65b03b8cb09cff5aa3f7b2:disqus If a tracker tracks private torrents, it’s a private tracker. If a site uses a private tracker, it’s a private site.
  - James J
    
    LMAO @ number 3. how is having a higher seed to peer ratio selfish? f*ck you’re dumb… or you never had a private site account.
    - PrivatePercy
      
      Having a higher seed to leech ratio isn’t selfish, restricting your sharing to your walled garden and pretending you give a shit about the bittorrent community is what’s selfish. Downloading public torrents when you can’t find what you’re looking for on a private site, without any need to seed back, is what makes you selfish.
      
      Boasting about this selfish behaviour and attempting to ridicule those who use public torrents is what makes you elitist arseholes.
  - Jackie
    
    This shit doesn’t work, at least if u use a decent client. I noticed them doing this in emule years ago and here recently some torrent transfers. If u use tixati, bittyrant, or probably others, (at least these I have witnessed), it will say “client sent bad data, banned, and it recognizes this in minimal data crap like 12k or less. On emule, it will say “file sucessfully recovered by aich” or something similar “ex: 4.5 mb recoverd by aich out of 5.2mb or similar (it varies) The whole time ur file dl fine, u get file, and are looking like hmm, someone attacking the files, well whatever….
  - MrStonedOne
    
    as the owner and operator of SceneXpress.net:
    1: yes and no, we can’t prevent anti-bit-torrent people from getting into the site or shutting us down. but what we can do is stay low key, too small to worry about.
    
    2: Yes, but in our case, its collected in a mysql MEMORY table, as in it only exists in ram and is gone the moment the server loses power.
    
    3: and? Stay out the forums and that won’t effect(affect?) you.
    - PrivatePercy
      
      If the data is only stored in memory how do you keep track of ratios and other stats when your site goes down?
      
      Also, I don’t go on private site forums as I’m not a member. They always come to public forums to show off about how “elite” they are because they managed to fill out a form.
  - Anonymous
    
    1- actually you are wrong since anyone can access a public trackers at anytime but private sites not, so you can’t compare both together because private is definitely more secure i don’t care to what degree but atleast you can’t deny that its better.
    
    2- Some sites do that and some gives you the ability to remove any history and some sites don’t keep any logs so it varies which make your statement not completely true
    
    3-From what’ve seen private trackers are more likely to contain nicer people than public trackers i don’t care either because they are nice themselves or forced to be by site rules but they are just nice even if this was untrue it won’t really matter because you won’t have to meet them in person to download your content so it won’t really matter to begin with.
    
    I think you have no idea what you are even talking about or you just had 1 bad experience with some site or not any of these but either way you are wrong.
    
    i’m not saying you have extreme privacy on private trackers but the thing is you can’t compare private trackers with public ones because no matter what.. there is a huge difference, and to be more clear that guy you quoted meant that that ‘tool’ or whatever its called can’t work on a private trackers because even if they were able to get in somehow the admins of the site will catch it in no time and shut it down.
  - APTFAN
    
    1) no more security… yeah right, first its much more difficult to get into private trackers and second the best private trackers have less than 25k members and half of them aren’t even from US, so why the fu** will anyone try to do anything against them considering any warez forum with open sing ups that start will have this number in 2 months
    2) all the tracker is showing about you is a name, and if you are so concerned you can always use a vpn
    3) you are joking right ??? the only public tracker that have commends is tpb and most of them is fuc*ing leechers saying “SEEEEEEED”
    you know what i like about private trackers the most, its their forums
    because there i can’t talk about all the things i am watching and learning in the internet, i get very good recommendations about well, everything and people put a lot of time to write there commends and answer every thread in the forum properly
    and also selfish….??? tell me one selfish thing they do ? yes we try to build a good ratio but how do we do that, by helping others get their torrents
    
    i could go on about all the good things that a PT is giving you like quality control and becoming friend with other people but its obvious that you are don’t care about the benefits of a private tracker, maybe you never seed back or i don’t know you don’t download so much so you don’t search so much anyway
    but i hope someone else who read this make an effort to try to become member
  - Anonymous
    
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  - Anonymous
    
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- asdfth12
  
  And should this technology become mainstream for companies seeking to ‘protect’ their products, then most private sites would stop taking in new members for fear of letting in a swarm killer.
  
  Basically, the small number of people on private sites might be protected, but the vast majority of people who use public sites would be screwed.
  
  Still, odd’s are that clients will soon be able to differientiate between the legit and fake swarm members.
  
  But, it don’t do jack against direct downloads (htttp downloads).
  - John
    
    Nonsense. Did any of MediaDefender’s actions prevented people from publicly sharing files? No. Are any of the actions of the “Pirate Pay” going to prevent people from publicly sharing files? No.
    
    Simple as that.
- Bootypoll
  
  screw microsoft just visit bootypoll.com
Andrew Lee

So what they’re saying is that it’s okay to “abuse” services as long as the end justifies “their” means. The only thing this company will ensure is that many new technologies to make bit torrent traffic more secure will rise.

What if a hacker develops something similar to attack legit bit torrent files? Will it be illegal or will it be alright to attack whoever you want?

This is a class action waiting to happen.
- http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
  
  That’s an awfully hypocritical attitude as a bittorrent pirate. Technically one could claim that pirates abuse the bittorrent protocol to justify their means. At any rate, it’s an example of technological innovation and should be respected for the efforts…unless you want to quash any technology which stands in the way of your established practices?
  - Anonymous
    
    Who said he was a pirate? His hypothesis was on legal torrents.
    - http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
      
      I don’t see that anywhere.
      
      Regardless, the argument stands. Someone complaining about progress of technology getting in the way of the usual routine is no different than the **AAs.
    - Anyone
      
      breaking something is not progress
    - Guest
      
      No, the argument doesn’t stand. Mainly because Pirate Pay isn’t any manner of technological progress what so goddamn ever.
    - http://danielj.se MaTachi
      
      Of course will the media industry only pay to jam torrents containing their stuff.
  - Lulz
    
    “We used a number of servers to make a connection to each and every P2P client that distributed this film. Then Pirate Pay sent specific traffic to confuse these clients about the real IP-addresses of other clients and to make them disconnect from each other,” Andrei Klimenko says.
    It’s illegal to DDoS. Their ends do not justify their means.
    - Insanity4all
      
      that’s what I was thinking too
    - http://www.alexseo.se/ Alexander Edbom
      
      I agree, what’s the difference between ddosing torrents and ddosing sites?
      
      Are Sony and Microsoft okey with their sites being offline because of DDOS? Because that’s what they are doing to public torrents for some time now.
    - Anonymous
      
      You know, I seem to recall what happened to aiplex when they tried the DDoS-approach. If Pirate Pay starts a DDoS with an impact that can be felt at all you KNOW who will be retaliating.
      
      Someone should tell the guys at Pirate Pay what happened to ACS:Law…
  - Anonymous
    
    Who said he was a pirate? He’s talking about legit (=legal) torrent files. Innovative? Sounds more like DDoSing. That’s hardly “progress” to be respected.
  - Dsafsfs
    
    Interfering with communications is against the FCC regulations, such as using a cell phone jammer is against the law.
    - Npshev
      
      Yes, my first thought exactly. In most western countries the premise of this business model is a federal offence.
    - blah
      
      Just in case you weren’t aware Russia is not subject to FCC regulations.
    - Nemesis
      
      Yeah but doesn’t stop them from destroying a company whos laws doesn’t apply to them either.
  - Andrew Lee
    
    Well I’ll go ahead and quote myself.
    
    What if a hacker develops something similar to attack (((legit bit torrent files?)))
    Also who says I’m a pirate? Before the mega bullshit I went out to the movies at least once a week. I have a absurdly big VHS to DVD to BRD collection. Now it collects dust since I don’t waste my time supporting products that helps fund efforts to censor the world.
    
    That means I don’t download,buy,watch, or even read about them. If I don’t know about it well I can’t really talk much about it with my friends.
    
    When or if the day comes where my money will actually go towards something useful such as making good movies instead of causes to smash freedom I’ll return as a customer.
    
    Also I wont even lie before they started war on freedom I would download a SCR if the movie was not in theaters yet. Other then that I don’t really have the urge to watch a pixelated barley watchable cam copy when I could just spend a few bucks to see it on the big screen.
    
    The movies are about “THE SOCIAL EXPERIENCE” if it were otherwise I would just stick to buying the DVD..
    
    If you want to label me as a “hypocrite” at least learn about me first rofl.
    - http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
      
      Dude I don’t care about whether you’re downloading legitimate or illegitimate torrents, that wasn’t my point at all. Frankly I thought we had reached a point where the term ‘pirate’ didn’t have any stigma any longer. Wasn’t that the point of the pirate party? pirate = filesharer. Content and the legality/illegality doesn’t enter into discussion of the term.
      
      But, setting nomenclature aside:
      
      technology progresses. This is a well known fact, something the **AA’s need to learn about. The internet is a machine designed to copy, so complaining that people are using said internet to copy one’s material is a fruiltless argument, I’ve said it before. But technology progresses, things that were hard become progressively easier. I was just speaking to a peer about this today, one used to have to download a program to convert videos after downloading them so they’d run on your ipod, this functionality is now built into µtorrent (just as an example)
      
      And that’s the point, is that you can’t fight technological progress, so complaining about it is pointless and makes you bass ackwards on the subject. Just like you can’t revert back to the days before we knew how to fileshare, just as copying will never get any harder and the genie can never be put back in the bottle, so too with this. If this is a successful technological innovation, if it works, regardless of whether it’s legal or not, it’s going to catch on, it’s going to spread out as others pick up on it. But just as others have pointed out in this thread, so too will technology adapt to counteract that development.
      
      The reason I’m calling you a hypocrite is complaining about technological developments that are not in your favour is no different than the **AA’s complaining about bittorrent filesharers robbing them of billions of imaginary dollars. I’d like to think most of the filesharing community (since you take so much offense to the term ‘pirate’) are more intelligent and more enlightened than that, but maybe I’m wrong. You can’t ever revert progress, you can’t ever put the genie back in the bottle, so complaining about developments is pointless. Adapt and evolve.
      
      Just one more note with regards to the legality of DDOSing (since I can’t be bothered to reply to every other reply that points this out), is that the law with regards to the internet is malleable. It’s still not fully defined.
      
      As an example, it is perfectly acceptable within USEnet to forge cancel a post that is spam, or for whatever other reason. but this acceptable practice is also a form of fraud, since one has to spoof the IP and email address of the headers of the originator’s post in order to cancel their message.
      
      Whether DDOS attacks are legal or not is for the courts to decide, and I would not be surprised for it to come across that in this specific isolated instance that the courts found them to be legal. Do we really trust the courts any longer to decide fairly what’s allowed and what’s not? The Dutch Pirate Party aren’t even allowed to discuss how proxies work any longer, for Christ’s sake.
      
      Not to mention the additional hypocrisy of any filesharer complaining of the legality of DDOS attacks when they’re using bittorrent for potentially quasi-legal activity. Now that’s ironic.
    - Boom
      
      I actually like the label Pirate,
      If I lived 300 years ago, I like to think I would be a Caribbean pirate,
      
      Arrrrr
    - Guest
      
      @Gene_P00le:disqus
      “If this is a successful technological innovation,”
      
      Again, this isn’t even remotely a technological innovation.
      
      The reason you’re calling Andrew Lee a hypocrite is because you have no fucking clue on Earth about anything you’re saying.
      
      Pirates condemning anti-piracy technology isn’t similar in any conceivable way to the **AA’s claiming that pirates are robbing them of billions of imaginary dollars. You might have realized this if you had thought about it for half a millisecond. May I suggest, son, putting down the bong before posting?
    - http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
      
      @ac772b48d6728242138b1df18c9716e5:disqus While your arguments are succinct, I’m afraid I really don’t see anything to respond to other than “no, you’re wrong.” So I’m just going to leave that be because I don’t really know what else to do with it..
    - Guest
      
      Well, you are wrong.
      
      How on Earth can you respond?
      
      I guess I understand, hahaha.
    - http://profiles.google.com/giantnerd14 Collin O’Toole
      
      @Gene Poole – How is this technological progress? Automated DDoS is nothing new at all, this just has different targetting criterea. It’s also crap technology, as there are multiple ways to smash it. Also, for it to be comletely effective it would have to permanently shut down every torrent they target. That meens a perpetual DDoS attack on an ever-increasing amount of targets (not very feasible). Like somebody else said, all we have to do is wait it out or snag a different torrent. The only meaningful tech progress that will come out of this is torrent clients/indexes will engineer a countermeasure and then just forget about these guys. Plese focus your effort on defending programmers/engineers who are making REAL technology.
  - Guest
    
    @Gene_P00le:disqus
    “Technically one could claim that pirates abuse the bittorrent protocol to justify their means. ”
    
    Yeah, pirates abuse the BitTorrent protocol by using it to share files.
    
    Wait…@Gene_P00le:disqus ”it’s an example of technological innovation”There’s nothing technologically innovative about spamming a BitTorrent swarm with bad data. @Gene_P00le:disqus ”and should be respected for the efforts”Pirates should respect Pirate Pay for their efforts to stop piracy? What the fucking fuck?@Gene Poole”unless you want to quash any technology which stands in the way of your established practices?”Uh, yes, I believe pirates DO want to quash anti-piracy technology. Oddly enough.WHAT’S UP WITH THAT LOL
    - http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
      
      Look, I don’t have any problems with hypocrisy as long as people are up front about it. Want to have (y)our cake and eat it too? That’s cool. But we can’t complain about the MAFIAA’s actions fighting progress if we’re going to do the same thing. Well…we could, actually. But that’s the whole ‘coming to terms with hypocrisy’ thing I was talking about it.
    - Guest
      
      Mother. Fucker. Disqus, you started out being merely lame but now you’ve graduated to hideous cancer. Congratulations.
      
      @ Gene Poole
      “Technically one could claim that pirates abuse the bittorrent protocol to justify their means.”
      
      Yeah, pirates abuse the BitTorrent protocol by using it to share failes.
      
      Wait…
      
      @ Gene Poole
      “it’s an example of technological innovation”
      
      There’s nothing technologically innovative about spamming a BitTorrent swarm with bad data.
      
      @ Gene Poole
      “and should be respected for the efforts”
      
      Pirates should respect Pirate Pay for their efforts to stop piracy? What the fucking fuck?
      
      @ Gene Poole
      “unless you want to quash any technology which stands in the way of your established practices?”
      
      Uh, yes, I believe pirates DO want to quash anti-piracy technology. Oddly enough.
      
      WHAT’S UP WITH THAT LOL
    - Guest
      
      failes = files.
      
      This is my day, clearly.
    - Guest
      
      @Gene_P00le:disqus
      
      Read my words very carefully.
      
      What Pirate Pay is doing isn’t technologically innovative. Sending bad data to a swarm isn’t anything new, as the article you’re commenting on points out. It is in no way progress. In fact, since it is attempting to suppress filesharing, the new platform for media distribution that’s obsoleting the old studio system, it is the exact opposite of progress. It’s holding back progress.
      
      We certainly can complain about the MAFIAA fighting progress because we stand for it, and they stand against it. There’s nothing hypocritical about condemning them for trying to keep us trapped in the 20th century for eternity.
      
      The hypocricy you’re talking about doesn’t exist, you only think it does because you have have some serious comprehension problems.
  - http://fungilicliff.myopenid.com/ FungiliCliff
    
    The use of Bittorrent protocol itself is legal. DoS attacks are not. (well, in most countries(?))
    
    Who’s doing the abuse again?
- http://www.alexseo.se/ Alexander Edbom
  
  Just sue them for damaging a “business”, MAFFIA does it all the time.
  
  Sony was sued so many times for spreading trojans, and they want to get sued again.
- http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.
  
  That’s what I thought as well. What innovation? They’re simply using a variation on denial of service.
  
  You don’t need to use a bittorrent for an analogy. A bittorrent client is just a mini-server using a specific protocol, and otherwise no different from any other server. So:
  
  Do the same thing to Microsoft’s web servers, and see how long it takes them to cough up 10.000 legal arguments that it’s criminal. In fact, I’m guessing they already have those arguments lying about, and have even used most of them before.
  
  In fact, I’m betting several hackers are sitting up right now, thinking “What an interesting twist to DoS. Let’s see if I can’t whip something up!” I’ll even bet that several of those hackers will be much more creative, and more effective in their goals, than “Pirate Pay”.
  
  That’ll also set Microsoft to work figuring out how to counter such attacks. Before you know it, it’ll be available as a security upgrade to you Windows PC. Not that you’ll need it: Hackers and academia will be all over this, figuring it out. It’s just too obvious a challenge. Proper countermeasures will be ready in good time.
  
  What’s sad, though, is how excited I was when I read their name, “Pirate Pay”. My thought were “Wow! Perhaps this is about good news. Perhaps it’s about a site with the same quality and user freedom as Pirate Bay, only legal. How great would that be!”
  
  Obviously, I was a fool to think that, and, obviously, I was wrong.
http://mobobe.com 13xforever

Yeah, this is news again? Wasn’t it all abuzz 7 or so years ago?
- Boom
  
  No, now stop being a dumbass
  - Anonymous
    
    Actually he’s right.
    
    Several years ago some brainiac had the idea of spamming torrent trackers with bad data hashes. As I recall the result of that was a rather instant response by the torrent client coders as autobans on bad ip adresses were swiftly implemented, on top of the “peerguardian” blocklist which served to shield both from crap data and from MPAA/RIAA “sting” ops.
    It wasn’t a very solid approach then and it won’t be now. My take on this is it’s yet another attempt by an unscrupulous tech company to peddle an ineffective security solution to an increasingly desperate 3rd party.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

The problem these hair brained schemes have is that it is no big deal to have additional ban code written into torrent clients.

Most clients ban addresses that send bad file data or network abuse continually asking for peers.

The new thing this scheme appears to do is spread fake client share lists.

A normal client expects and allows for a certain number of stale addresses to be passed to it. but it would be no big deal to verify an address before passing it on and if too many you ban the originator who sent them to you.

It would disrupt the network temporarily by new clients designed to defeat it as they would ban false positives until everyone updatedtheir clients.

These anti piracy measures only work when based on the false assumption that they are trying to defeat a static target rather than open source clients able to deploy countermeasures.
- http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
  
  “Most clients ban addresses that send bad file data or network abuse continually asking for peers.”
  
  I’m curious about this. As far as I know BitThief has never had any problems, I always had success whenever I used it, and it works by always representing itself as a new peer without anything to share. Has this changed with the last several iterations of bt tech?
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly
    
    Nothing has changed but you miss the point.
    
    BitThief might not play fair by other Torrent clients but how they (or the tracker) prioritises traffic is down to them and their own implementation.
    
    The Anti-Piracy tactics being discussed are trying to poison the network while a BitThief user is just a parasitic leech.
    
    Generally clients identifying network abuse ban the abuser while leeches just get a lower priority.
  - Boom
    
    AFAIK BitThief doesnt send bad data
    so why would it need to be banned from other clients?
    - http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
      
      “or network abuse continually asking for peers.”
- Guest
  
  Meanwhile, Pirate Pay was granted a $100,00 investment from Microsoft and charges the copyright industry between $12,000 and $50,000 for its anti-piracy services… That are child’s play for torrent clients to circumvent.
  
  Ah, crooks scamming crooks. How it warms my heart. :D
- Anonymous
  
  Indeed. You’re trying to hit a moving target which requires constant maintenance. A bit like rewriting DRM on the fly.
  
  No doubt this is what Pirate Pay are banking on as they will be selling a hugely expensive service which has to be consistently re-customized for each and every file they try to protect this way.
Mr. MoneySuit Monacle

Just make sure no mangled packets are passed .
The trackers can give a unique key to each peer, beyond their passkey.
Website is down anyway.
Let’s go after the money….
- DecentalisedDave
  
  What tracker?
  - Mr. MoneySuit Monacle
    
    Holy shit Dave, I’m old lol
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MaxxOri

They have tried such tactics in future and it hasn’t ever stopped anything. This will have the same effect… or more correctly the lack thereof.
- Guest
  
  Sweet! How is the future, mate? Do we have flying cars?
  - radioman
    
    back to the future ;}
  - drrpp
    
    Yes, they call them airplanes.
    - Anonymous
      
      They are more the equivalent to flying buses than flying cars..
  - Anonymous
    
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505164_162-57409394-10391734/american-flying-car-soars-in-test-flight/
    …we have those already. However, the MPAA/RIAA/Ifpi are convinced that the future will also hold flying pigs, and have already bought a suitable farm.
  - Anonymous
    
    Yes, they’re called helicopters.
http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

And how their activity is different from hacking into something? Ppl get accused of hacking and go to jail, so why this pirate pay shit and ms that is funding it aren’t accused of hacking then?
- Reader
  
  Indeed, this seems like a form of hacking to me, as it seemingly accesses someones computer without permission of the owner and modifies data on it for personal/financial gain.. I’m pretty sure that kind of behaviour is frowned upon in law systems!
  - Anonymous
    
    - I thought [Christians] didn’t believe in killing.
    
    -Oh, they’ll kill in a holy cause…
    and destroying you is a holy cause.
    
    -How convenient…
    they kill when it suits them.
    
    -Like the rest of us, Sire.
    - Anonymous
      
      Indeed, christianity is so retarded, they kill in the name of their gods, yet murder is one of the biggest ‘sins’ they could commit, and since they’re believers, tell them they’re going straight to hell and they be shitting bricks.
    - Anonymous
      
      And I forgot to mention, if their god is so powerful, THEY would strike them down with lightening or whatever tool of destruction he uses, the one thing he would NOT do, is expect others to break the ten commandments and join satan in hell!
    - http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.
      
      Anonymous, I see that the Godhead is too abstract a concept for you to handle. Don’t worry: Problems with abstract concepts are quite common among atheists, and probably won’t hamper you in your daily life. Well, apart from making you a very annoying and humorless person that takes everything too literally.That’s mostly a problem for your surroundings, though.
      
      Here’s a question, though: When was the last time you heard of a mainstream Christian church condoning murder in the name of religion? I can tell you when I last heard an atheist call for murder in the name of atheism: That was 2 hours ago.
      
      While Christians have put harsh words into practice, the blood trail of atheists far exceeds even the most bloodthirsty medieval priests. We’re talking about mass murdering luminaries like Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot etc.. Each and every one an atheist. Among large religions there’s only Buddhism that can match Christianity in it’s prohibition against violence, and adherence to that prohibition. Hinduism, Islam, traditional (as in “not New Age”) pagan religions, Shamanism… All of these have some serious credibility issues on the non-violence issue, both present and past.
    - Luis Siqueira
      
      Actually replying to the Eric dude.
      
      1. You really need to learn the difference between abstract and esoteric. Atheists have issues accepting the unreasonable (esoteric) ideologies of your religion. It’s not that we can’t understand abstract concepts, most of the scientific community and engineering communities of this world are atheist/agnostic and we must deal with the abstract on a daily basis.
      
      2. The reason religion is often alluded to in terms of wars and such is because these wars were actually based on written scripture interpretations. Atheism (soft Atheism especially) rarely claims rights to any moral activity and has absolutely no written doctrine that I know of. In fact Atheism in my eyes is seen as a sort of default, it shouldn’t even be a term. It’s a term used because of the (thankfully declining) popularity of religion. It’s as if everyone in the world loved baseball and we HAD to invent a term for those who did not.
      
      3. Given that religion makes statements of morality, death, who should die, and the like and atheism simply points out what we see as logical and evident and then say “I don’t know, it depends” to most moral situations you cannot attribute any murdering to an Atheist. Saying Stalin killed X amount of people and stating atheism as one of his causes is equivalent to saying he went to war over algebra or some other system of logical deduction. It has no bearing what so ever.
      
      Example?
      
      In the crusades while they slaughtered people there were Christian symbols all over the place and the main objective was conversion.
      
      Where are the Atheist symbols in any of the wars you stated? Is there even an Atheist symbol?
      
      4. You are wrong about Buddhism, Buddhism does not prohibit anything. It simply states that if you are violent eventually this will cause you suffering. It states if you wish to endure that suffering then by all means go forth and be violent. it does not prohibit anything.
      
      Though, I wouldn’t expect a Christian to understand what true freedom of the will is like. Perhaps if you believe my understanding of abstraction to be insufficient, you can teach me abstraction and I will teach you freedom? No? Yes?
      
      5. You inherently assume violence is bad and should be prohibited. Also, as far as your comment about an atheist crying for violence in the name of atheism… please share your resource. I’m curious.
      
      6. Not every Christian is a violent warmongering asshole, not every Atheist is an intelligent, logical, understanding peacenik. People are people, people change, opinions change and that is the largest difference between your doctrine and mine. I leave room for improvement, you are listening to a 2000+ year old guideline on how to carry on your life. In my personal opinion permitting your will to be dominated as such is demonstrable of significant weakness of intellect, spirit, and character… but I don’t run around trying to say such things online to every Christian I meet.
      
      So next time you feel the need to take a shot at Atheism, here is my email luisfpds@gmail:disqus.com. I encourage you to take every shot you feel like. Otherwise, you are just picking fights with those who cannot/will not fight back in an effort to make yourself feel better which would confirm all assumptions about your character.
      
      Peace
    - http://fungilicliff.myopenid.com/ FungiliCliff
      
      @ Erik QJ
      
      After reading your comment I went and read all my Atheist scriptures but surprisingly couldn’t find a single commandment ordering me to murder in the name of Atheism. So I went to consult with my local Atheist priest but couldn’t find him…
      
      /s
      
      Here’s the difference between Atheism and religion, which religious types like yourself somehow are unable to grasp: Atheism is the negation of belief in god, not a religion. Atheist have no scriptures, commandments or religious authority to tell them what to do.
      
      So Hitler, Stalin, Mao, your next door Atheist serial murderer – all did what they did *despite* (or rather, independently) of their lack of belief in supreme deity.
      There no way to murder “in the name of Atheism”, people can *claim* to murder in the name of Atheism but it doesn’t make it so.
      Correlation doesn’t equal causation.
      
      On the other hand, religious people are often incited into violence by their scriptures/Bible/Fatwas/whatever and/or the words of the leading religious figures, who are often perceived as the representatives of god on earth . These acts are tightly related to their beliefs system.
    - http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.
      
      In answer to FungiliCliff:
      
      Firstly, you’re confusing agnosticism and atheism. Agnosticism is the absence of a belief in god(s), while atheism is the positive belief that there is no god(s).
      
      I never said that anyone has committed murder BECAUSE they were atheists. As you yourself pointed out, they haven’t committed it IN SPITE of their atheism either. They’ve done so INDEPENDENT of their atheism.
      
      If you commit murder, or any form of violence, in the name of Christianity, then you’re doing it in open conflict with The New Testament. You’re doing it IN SPITE of being a Christian.
      
      This is what makes the frequent assertion by so many atheists, that all religions cause violence and war, and that proliferation of atheism will bring peace, a completely absurd assertion. An absurdity that can be empirically documented by the very significant cases I referred to (Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot).
      
      As I pointed out myself, other religions have other scriptures, with other views. Each religion must be considered independently; being “religious people” is even less of a religion than atheism is.
      
      In answer to Luis Siqueira:
      
      1: Trust me, a lot of atheists fail to grasp the abstract concepts of religion. If you don’t realize this, then you’re one of the lot. Concepts themselves are neither capable of being reasonable or unreasonable. They’re a matter of definitions, premisses and logic. The reality of a concept, on the other hand, can be reasonable or unreasonable to assume. However, there’s a significant difference between a concept and it’s possible reality, and any dismissal of the reality is irrational, unless it’s based on an understanding of the concept.
      
      Since you mention being a scientist and/or engineer, I’ll feel fre to mention that, by education, my background is mathematics, informatics, and philosophy, specializing in Epistemology (e.g. Philosophy of Science) and Analytical Philosophy. I’m quite awaye of the requirements for abstract thinking, and I’m also well aware that most of the truly great scientists have been agnostics, not atheists.
      
      2: Religion is often alluded to in war. I’ve never disputed that. Sometimes, that is even supported in the scriptures and/or fundamental principles of the religion. Sometimes it’s not. You insist on differentiating between atheists and their actions, even when the atheist doesn’t. Well, when a religious person acts in violation of the religion’s scriptures, you have to differentiate between that person and the religion, even when the person doesn’t.
      
      You, too, make the common mistake of confusing atheism and agnosticism. Agnosticism is the view that to know about the existence of deities is impossible, and any specific belief is irrational. Atheism is the positive belief that no gods exist. Agnosticism is closer to a neutral view, but still not neutral. Both make assertions, meaning that neither are reasonably viewed as defaults.
      
      3: I haven’t claimed that atheism was a cause for the outrages of Stalin. I merely pointed out that his lack of religion didn’t keep him from murdering on a scale never seen from any religious leader. I could, however, claim that the absence of moral beliefs qualifies as a partial cause. “I don’t know, it depends” isn’t exactly helpeful, when someone is contemplating genocide.
      
      Your example is erroneous. First, let me point out the massive difference in scale between the Crusades and the exploits of the atheist luminaries I mentioned; the Crusades were nap-time in kindergarten by comparison. Furthermore, the Crusades did not have conversion as their purpose, but to retake Jerusalem and Palestine, a formerly Christian region, to protect pilgrims, and to defend the Byzantine Empire. At the time, Muslim armies had been continuously attacking the Byzantine Empire and surrounding Christian lands for 500 years, taking present day Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Israel, Lebanon, large areas of Turkey, as well as North Africa and southern Spain.You are, however, correct that they used Christian symbols and claimed to fight in the name of God.
      
      Like every religion has it’s own symbols, so do the various atheist ideologies. The Swastika (Nazi), the Hammer and Sickle (Leninism / Stalinism), atomic whirl (American Atheists), etc..
      
      4: “Buddhism does not prohibit anything. It simply states that if you are violent eventually this will cause you suffering. It states if you wish to endure that suffering then by all means go forth and be violent.”
      
      Sure. So says Christianity. If you are violent, you will eventually suffer. If you don’t mind that, then you can choose violence. Of course, Christianity also suggests that to harm others might be wrong in itself. As far as I know, that’s not contrary to Buddhist teachings.
      
      With regard to freedom, I have no problems there. I’m completely free to think and believe whatever I want, just like you. As with any shared beliefs, Christians inevitably differ from each other in their personal understanding of both the belief and the world. As with any other belief, Christians are free to change it or abandon it, if they wish. I realize that this annoys prozelytizing atheists endlessly; they tend to insist that all Christians must believe specifically what the atheist in question thinks they should believe. Unfortunately, the “Christianity” they insist on is usually demonstrative of their problems with abstract concepts, and so wildly absurd that it’s not held by anyone.
      
      5: You’re right, I think violence is bad, and should be avoided whenever possible. That’s a belief that I share with a vast number of people, with all possible religious convictions (including the one that all religions are false). While Christianity certainly proclaims peace as good and war as evil, this is a belief that I would’ve held regardless.
      
      6: I think the main difference is that I don’t find the age of a text to be the determining factor for how seriously I consider it’s content, and that I put somewhat more reflection into my ethical beliefs, into how I relate to the world. No offence, but considering age as disqualifying to an idea, is more than a little superficial. When I develop my ethical beliefs, I’m subject to many influences, including classical and modern philosophy, religion, litterature, history, current society, science, personal experiences, and more. However, useful as such influences can be, my own perceptions can’t be copied directly from any source. Apart from being impossible, that’s not even desirable. In Christianity, in the New Testament, Jesus is explicit that we should have our own understanding and relationship with God. My understanding of good and bad is a part of that relationship.
      
      You wrote: “I don’t run around trying to say such things online to every Christian I meet”.
      
      That’s good to know. Yet you felt called upon to tell me all about it. Other atheists I’ve met online have also been less than modest about telling everyone how much they despise religion and religious people. You’ll notice that in our nice little corner of this debate, the issue of Christianity was brought up by two decidedly non-Christian posters, one of which, without any previous post in favour of Christianity or religion, proclaimed the following:
      
      “Indeed, christianity is so retarded, they kill in the name of their gods, yet murder is one of the biggest ‘sins’ they could commit, and since they’re believers, tell them they’re going straight to hell and they be shitting bricks”.
      
      That’s the guy you’re accusing me of having picked a fight with. Apparently, in your opinion, he/she is one of “those who cannot/will not fight back”. One you think I’ve been unfairly putting down to make myself feel better. Personally, I find it very hard to see how my character is the one in question, considering that this is the guy you’re defending by defaming my “intellect, spirit, and character”.
- http://profiles.google.com/mrkenray Ken Ray
  
  in russia, MS hacks YOU. (hey, do you think anyone posting in here noticed this was in russia?)
Guest

And what makes it OK to attack my computer like this? Last I heard it should be considered a casus belli, but in the name of anti-piracy it’s perfectly alright, of course.

Besides that the internet will just route around it once more. It’s succesful now because people don’t really know about it yet. Once used on a grand scale the clients will adapt with distributed filters and block lists. Next.
exscape

Surely this would have to be illegal? Fighting file sharing by illegal means may be commonplace, but it really shouldn’t be.
- drp
  
  It doesn’t matter if it is illegal, as no one in their right mind would take them to court if it means admitting illegal activities yourself. Then it is their legal team against yours.
  - Anonymous
    
    Pirate Pay is in Russia, which seems to be less strict with their laws towards technology.
    
    Aside from that, filters can just be added to block certain IP’s.
David Xanatos

as far as I see, even ordinary peer block list would sufice to overcome this method.
- Attack
  
  If the torrent ”attacks” are passed through popular VPN services then peer blocking would not work as a defense against attack.
Anon

This should count as a cyber attack/denial of service against individuals and thus illegal in many countries and breaking the law.

Also, evolution of the torrent technology will happen which will defend against this type of attack.

That is why this is not done on a regular basis. This company is trying to do something to make some money but breaks the law and will make the torrent evolution move faster. Big FAIL.
- Anonymous
  
  As I already said, war time always pushes technology forward, so the MAFIAA might have a positive effect too.
- Guest
  
  Anon = Anonymous poster or Anon = Anonymous group?
  
  Going to pretend / assume you’re an Anonymous group member …
  
  If Anonymous can DDoS and claim it’s to help the citizens then it’s hypocritical denying the other side to use the same weaponary to protect their businesses.
  
  Then again … Anonymous is quite a hypocritical group – which censors Virgin Media ( http://torrentfreak.com/tpb-hey-anonymous-stop-ddosing-virgin-120510/ ) and Anonymous don’t use their brains half the time , they just … react. A good example of this is PayPal DDoS during the Wikileaks payment protests – DDoSing an API which millions of websites used for Payment processing and therefore harming millions (or thousands?) of companies.
  - anon
    
    we not doing this for money!.. they are .. there is a difference..
    - Guest
      
      TPB gains a lot of money – people claim it’s spent on the servers … servers don’t cost THAT much in comparison to the website revenue.
      
      Megaupload profited a lot of money along side it’s affiliate programn which gave warez uploaders rewards.
      
      Sounds like piracy == money. :S
    - Anyone
      
      servers cost that much if you have to set it up in a redundant secret way because if it was a known location it could be raided at any time.
      
      Ads don’t bring that much money, I’d be surprised if TPB even breaks even.
      
      MU had revenue through their premium accounts, that is a whole ‘nother level
    - call u out
      
      @ac772b48d6728242138b1df18c9716e5:disqus
      
      Proof or you are full of shit !
    - Boom
      
      @ac772b48d6728242138b1df18c9716e5:disqus
      Bandwidth is expensive
    - Guest
      
      @1465a74a0254495ed8ca695e6432d9b0:disqus
      
      Okay, so tell me, how much money does TPB make? How much is spent on servers? How much do they cost in comparison to the website’s revenue? What is the website’s revenue?
      
      You don’t know?
      
      Oh.
  - Anon support
    
    Fuck paypal for being a part of corrupt U.S government
    
    Fuck corrupt U.K government FORCING corporate laws on people.
    
    Fuck you for being ignorant to the corruption.
  - Boom
    
    @ac772b48d6728242138b1df18c9716e5:disqus ”A good example of this is PayPal DDoS during the Wikileaks payment protests – DDoSing an API which millions of websites used for Payment processing and therefore harming millions (or thousands?) of companies.”
    
    Yes, paypal blocks payments from WL, so Anonymous forces paypal to block payments from everyone else,
    
    Remember the best place to strike is in their wallets, blocking their API means LESS MONEY FOR PAYPAL
  - Guest
    
    “it’s hypocritical denying the other side to use the same weaponary to protect their businesses”
    
    Except that DDoS’ing pirates doesn’t serve to protect anybody’s business, or help anyone aside from the scammers selling their DDoS service for insane sums of money.
    
    Anonymous does need to stop doing DDoS attacks, though, because that shit is WEAK. What it did to ACS:Law was awesome, but it was also a total fluke. Do some real hacking, for christ’s sake! Leak emails! Expose the crimes of copyright gangsters using their own words! That’s how you get somewhere.
  - Anon
    
    As suspected anonymous/lulzsec have been arrested for the PayPal attack, it makes sense that any individual who carries out an attack on behalf of the media companies should also be arrested.
    
    My point still stands (I am the original Anon poster who you replied to, not the Anon who replied to you later ;))
  - Anonymous
    
    In other words you just made an argument that it’s quite OK for Anonymous to retaliate against Private Pay by blasting their servers of the net and perform the ACS:Law bastinado approach on them?
    
    Ok, Anons, you have “Guest”‘s express permission to load and target your HOIC’s.
    
    And “Guest”? Never use a moral principle in denial which is equally applicable as a weapon against your argument as for. It just isn’t very smart.
Steve Donaghy

As someone above has posted, this can probably be easily avoided by updated code inside Bit Torrent clients. I think this startup must know that and are probably just trying to raise as much “investment” as possible before it happens.
john doe

Find all offending IP ranges.
Feed peerblock.
Problem solved.
ANON

It will be successful in the short term but Internet WILL get around it.

To quote this famous line, “The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.”
Ezcool8484

I think company have it wrong. Rather than investing money
on legal and anti-privacy ways to combat counterfeit copy of their product,
they should look into developing a way to make their products more accessible
and more affordable. For example, music, Itune store change the way I get my
music. The music is cheap – about 1 dollar per song, and I don’t have to enter
my card info if I don’t want to – I use gift card which sometime can be on
special ($50 gift cards for $40)

For me I personally believe that if company such as
Microsoft, was to seek a way to sell their product at a cheaper price such as
maybe $50 per licence and make it easily downloaded on their
website/store/program, I believe they will make more profit as well as lower
the amount of counterfeit copy of their product.
- Anonymous
  
  Did you just say one dollar a song is _cheap_? That’s almost as ridiculous as saying going to a movie theater is cheap. You’re paying a dollar for something that causes no loss to the owner of the IP. Basically you’re paying $1 for about 2-3 MB of data. I can do that with: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/tmp/data bs=2936012 count=1 for free! (Although it’s not nearly as nice sounding :D)
townie2

a visit from Anonymous might also discourage investors when they see just how vulnerable Pirate Pay is.
Scrubsmasher

Find me their IP addresses and I will show them what a real DDoS attack is! Scrubs!
- Blackbeard
  
  Find me their addresses, a brace of flintlock pistols and a parrot and I’ll show them what a real pirate is! :p
guest

The name media defender rings a bell didn’t their stupid technology attack a podcast networks (Revision3) bittorrent server?
Anonymous

As with everything the MAFIAA tried, instead of putting money into improving their service, they waste it on this kind of bullshit. But even if they were to spend all their money on destroying piracy, they’ll never stop us. Never.
Fae

Microsoft invested in a company that hurts bittorrent, when one of the big uses of bittorrent is the distribution of linux distributions?
- Bombaycumshot
  
  While true, I doubt that the actual motivation. Microsoft as plenty of IP’s that get pirated that they’d like to stop. All linux distros are available for direct download and knocking out the torrent won’t stop anyone. No big business conspiracy here
  - http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
    
    To be fair, Microsoft of all businesses should know better than to go after the technology that enables piracy. The tech isn’t the problem.
  - Guest
    
    “Linux is not in the public domain. Linux is a cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches. That’s the way that the license works.”
    - Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer
    
    While it may not be Microsoft’s primary motivation, destroying Linux and attacking the FOSS community must be *one* of their motivations for doing this. Their ethos is, always has been, always will be that all competition, and even all potential sources of future competition, must die.
    - Anonymous
      
      Indeed. MS has always been greatly opposed to Linux – simply because if MS wanted to incorporate better security, response, or stability from the open source sector they’d have to publish their efforts as open source.
      
      Apple could get away with that and MacOS because that shit actually works. If MS does the same every programmer from here to calcutta is going to be in tears of laughter once they read the confused mess which is MS code.
      
      That, and as linux is getting more and more user-friendly and capable of running MS applications, MS sees their 90% monopoly rapidly dwindling.
      
      Imho the only thing which is needed is an updated wine .cfg file capable of running windows apps and games under Linux out-of-the-box for the MS colossus to come crashing down in the consumer market.
      
      And MS knows this.
  - http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.
    
    It doesn’t matter whether it’s the primary motivation. If they’re sabotaging the legal operations of a competitor, they’re committing a crime. That’s doubly true, since their method of doing so in this case sounds illegal in itself. Of course, Microsoft and it’s corporate buddies are used to getting away with such things more often than not, and even when they do get caught and stopped, they’ve often managed to do serious damage in the meantime.
- James J
  
  ??? Desktop distros are free, and anyone using the server versions, gladly pay. so try again.
  - http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.
    
    Yes, they’re free, and often legally distributed by honest people, through legal torrents, for legal purposes, to other honest people. That’s pretty much the point: Microsoft is investing in a technology that can be used to interfere with the legal business practices of a competitor; a competitor that they’ve often showered with hateful rhetorical vitriol in the past. That’s a highly suspect move, and many will find it hard to trust Microsoft to resist the temptation to use the technology to further their market position by illegal means.
MadAsASnake

Of course, they have to find the infringing torrents first. Isn’t that the hard part? Given that many of them are “found” by being originated by the media / troll industry in the first place, this seems particularly pointless, so at best this will catch what? 5%? The average downloader will simply find a download
I have more concern over the legality of interfering with communcations like this.
Vertigo

The future is filesharing like Dropbox (minus their traffic quota on each file) or MegaCloud(com) or CX which gives you space and links to send to your friends.

They give you the opportunity of sending files to your Facebook friends/twitter. Everyone knows Twitter is unregulated and if you have a good following they can get your files. How will that make Pirate Pay stop them? Stupid Russians.
- Guest
  
  “Stupid Russians”, stupid you. Just because a few Russians put PiratePay together doesn’t make all russians stupid – please keep in mind Russia is one of the main piracy havens around.
  - Vertigo
    
    For now…Until you guys are paid off by the MAFIAA.
  - Anonymous
    
    Well, no, Pirate Pay is no doubt driven by stupid russians. Or, should we say, possibly smart russian trolls out to skim a few mil from gormless morons willing to throw money at anyone promising his magic wand will rid them of the evil pirates…
- http://www.facebook.com/mylifeismuzik Dynamitri Joachim Nawrot
  
  Uh. How about there being a huge database of copyright-protected work that checks the checksums of uploaded content and rejects a file when a match is found? Not really that improbable, is it?
  
  I don’t trust clouds. Stay away from them, people.
- Asdfa
  
  Twitter is not “unregulated” at least one man from the UK was arrested for making a bomb threat ‘joke’ on there.
O0mg

“Companies that really want to make Pirates Pay are probably better off investing in improvements to their legal offers.” will they ? or just die like others did before them vs new tech !!! a battle to follow ! die or adapt :)
Werner

This is in Russia? The market of screwing up communications is a monopoly of the russian government, they can wait a little visit of the FSB soon, lolololol
Beep77

Good for them! That’s pretty impressive if it actually works. That’s innovation at its finest.
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Frawl

How about they take all their startup money and donate it to cancer research so it goes somewhere useful.
- asdfth12
  
  No money to be made in that endeavor.
  - http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
    
    sure is for the guys owning the copyrights. there’s a reason that cancer research is so expensive.
    
    Nobody ever discusses that, and I can’t help but think that’s intentional. Medicine copyrights and gene patents are the real ethical problem with copyright and patents, not movies and music. But if you make it about movies and music it sounds a lot more frivolous.
Guest

Lol. Malwarebytes Pro blocks Pirate Pay.
Anonymous

In Russia Microsoft pirates you!
- Guest
  
  HAHAHA
- Anonymous
  
  You forgot the “Soviet” part.
  - Anonymous
    
    Actually from the Yakov Smirnoff wikipedia entry
    “At the peak of Smirnoff’s celebrity in the mid-1980s, he did not say “Soviet Russia” — he said simply “Russia”.”
LulzFail

I didn’t actually find any proof that this works at all. Why would my client disconnect from a genuine peer if some random peer sends garbage data? Wouldn’t it just disconnect that fake peer? I’m calling scam. I guess, in soviet russia, bad peer disconnects You.
- Boom
  
  I was thinking this aswell, doubt we will ever find out the truth tho
- Leogen
  
  It probably only works on the old, shitty clients they tested it on. I can’t imagine this will do anything against anyone using an updated version of uTorrent.
- Anonymous
  
  Actually, there is one way they can do this…
  
  1) Trace and track uploader/downloader ips.
  2) On the BT port of said ip addy, send a string of christmas light packets guaranteed to trigger any firewall to recognize it as a port probe, with spoofed ips identical to that used by the other members of the peer swarm.
  3) The firewall reacts and drops the connection.
  
  However, this is risky. Given how easily you might end up targeting a perfectly innocent ip this way…
  - LulzFail
    
    Still don’t see why that would work. I get xmas port scans all the time (if that is what you mean with “christmas light”) and my firewall naturally only blocks the IP the scan is coming from, but that doesn’t mean a new connection cannot be established again, as is the nature of the torrent protocol(establish a new connection if it is dropped). Spoofing a huge amount of IPs like that seems impossible, but I’m saying that without really having read anything about mass IP spoofing. Let’s say a torrent has 100 seeds, you would have to spoof 100 IPs and send garbage/port scan/whatever from all 100 to one IP. Then do the same for every other peer trying to connect to every other seed. And of course, this is not taking into account DHT/PEX. It just seems like the resources required for such an attack would be gigantic. Also, wouldn’t the attack have to come from the same port the seed is using to establish a connection with you? Unless the firewall blocks ALL connections from a specific IP on ALL ports (which seems like bad practice for a firewall) this would probably be futile.
Anonymous

I wonder what they will do when someone figures out how to attack THEIR servers.
http://www.facebook.com/terrence.a.davis1 Terrence Andrew Davis

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- Anonymous
  
  Please thank God for that very useful insight.
Anonymous

Just use Kaspersky lol
Burek666

1. stop investing money in shitty hacks to try stop pirating
2. invest money in making better movies/game
3. movies/games maybe stop to be garbage
4. ??????
5. profit
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http://pulse.yahoo.com/_X2JLTJL4QNXTG4W7AV6E2NEW4E Black First Name

So MSFT is hiring hackers to hack legitiment computers, a company hired a hacker company that hacks into computers and flood the computers.

Should MSFT go to jail for this?

Isnt this illegal? MSFT is hiring hackers to flood anyones computers.

What about the fact they hire hackrs to scan computers on torrent? THEY ARE SCANNING ALL COMPUTERS in order to find just these few.

THIS IS ILLEGAL and considered hacking into computers.

BOYCOTT MSFT for crimes against sofware humanity.
- Burek666
  
  dont worry if its illegal they will be sued
  
  journalits cant wait to find some dirt on this anti-piracy scum
  - Email
    
    You can sue Microsoft all you want, but if their anti-trust saga proved anything, it’s that you won’t be *allowed* to win against them no matter how solid your case is.
- White First Name..:P
  
  & what order info are they taken from the computers that they scan.. this is very fishy ..
Anonymous

Great thats whyI havent been able to connect, I have been getting DDOS by MSFT.

SO I am able to defend myself, as stated in the law since they are harming me, I can defend myself from their attacking and hacing my computers.

Also DDOS and torrent has been around for decades. The only reason noone has done this is cause its totally illegal. You cannot hack into others computers and scanning the entire torrent network to find people to flood is a crime.

This microsoft company is the filf of society. The wrst of the worst. They have already said they are awilling to give away all your data to the feds in exchange for moneies. Why would anyone use anything they support anyways. If a company is willing to partner with FB and exchange intelligence to the private spies industry, screw them.

They deserve nothing more than the erradication of everything they produce. A company not creating anything is willing to do anything inorder to stay alive, even selling off its userbase to the spy industry.

This represents the end of a companies reputation and brand image. They stand as the vile filth the bottom of the barrel and deserve to be erased from society. I call on everyone to spread to the masses and end of this company and STOP buying their stuff. Stop using all services and stop using their gaming networks. They are giving away your data and will increase and will get worse as they fail in everything they do.
Anonymous

with a bit of luck, the entertainment industries will treat these people the same as they treat their own artists. that means that they will expect and want to get the earth, but pay out nothing. once these developers realise they are actually going to be paid fuck all because of the way the ‘Hollywood accounting’ works, they will see what twats they have made of themselves and put their efforts into something worthwhile!
Viking

1. Promote yourself as big piracy killer.
2. Receive big money from industry.
3. Do nothing.
4. Report big victory over piracy (over 9000 downloads disrupted, lol).
5. Profit.
6 Rinse, repeat.

Nope, those Russians aint stupid at all, nosirre!
- anon
  
  in a nutshell..
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Jaymoon

Maybe this is how the entertainment industry is putting a dollar amount to what they think piracy is costing them?

Some fly by night “start up” offers the solution to all your piracy problems, and suddenly heaps of cash is dumped onto them.
- YARIGHT
  
  we has a winner of course that’s how its done and just where do you think all those millions in profits that at years end show no profit go , to that new start up that just fails by end of the year and had all that cash used up by a few friends of there’s…..this is in fact money laundering at least it used to be….and that would in fact make them in on racketeering and a host of other illegal actions.
  
  YA all is blind me thinks and it never was about piracy it was about doing a scam on you all to maximize laundered monies….
  
  OH and obama has now all the funding from his hollywood mobster friends to win the next election and the retardicans know it.
Guest

Sounds like a fun application, reminds me of the ion cannon.
If it actually works it’ll be pretty fun when it gets leaked and people start targeting random bit torrents from companies.
YARIGHT

OH and they aren’t hiring hackers they are coding some crap in house and using Russia cause of its lack of laws regarding certain activities with bribes to allow this to occur , no hackers are involved just greedy second rate coders and script kiddies
Mwhahaha

As we’ve seen with many attempts to stop piracy, the people running the anti-pirate action (be it take downs or litigation) end up denying people access to things which they are totally entitled to have.

How many examples of these anti-pirates taking down free and legal torrents will it take before the technology is deemed to be illegal?
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http://twitter.com/happyizpunjai happy

Any one willing to give me a list ip’s to block for peerblock would really help thanks? happysingh9292@gmail.com
Hater

Microsoft be hating
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Bobby-Marks/1432576223 Bobby Marks
  
  Naw, it’s more like Microsoft be capitalizing. Only time will tell if they can create a marketable product.
Nada

Give Pirate Pays six months, then someone will have come up with a solution to get around this problem.
- mc1964
  
  Six months? I give it a week, if that!
teawrecks

Now I REALLY respect microsoft -_-
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http://www.twitter.com/echoman74 echoman

Oh lookie lookie another way for corp’rat idiots to stab themselves in the foot. When will they learn? Shakes head.
sharingiscaring

It’s not cool to cripple the Internet.
- Anonymous
  
  No, it isn’t cool to cripple the “internet” but to cripple sharing of copyrighted material, that is different.
  - http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
    
    If bittorrent was used exclusively to share copyrighted content you might have a point. Unfortunately, they’re also crippling distribution of freely available musical artists’ who want to be shared, free content like VODO services, and free open source operating systems as well as other open source software.
    
    You know, in other words “competition for concerned parties”
  - Guest
    
    “No, it isn’t cool to cripple the “internet” but to cripple sharing of copyrighted material, that is different.”
    
    What the hell? If the copyright war has taught us anything, it’s that crippling the sharing of copyrighted material entails crippling the internet.
  - Anonymous
    
    In very real terms it’s one and the same.
    
    1) Filesharing is far more robust than ordinary communication.
    2) Any action taken to prevent certain types of communication by necessity affects ALL forms of communication.
    3) Most or all actions taken to prevent filesharing has far more collateral damage than it has targeted.
    
    Cases in point.
    
    DMCA takedowns – 33% are unwarranted. Indeed, in 1 out of 3 cases what happens is that a company illegally takes down something to which they do not own copyright.
    
    Domain seizures. Some 80000 domains have been taken down, only a minority fraction of whom were even concerned with copyright infringement or even anything illegal at all. Indeed, the actual targeted domains were up and running again 24 hours afterwards. The innocent domains seized were not, and had to suffer being blocked for weeks.
    
    DDoS-attacks. SYN-flooding the ip considered a “filesharer” sounds like a great idea up to the point where you realize that the actual “target” isn’t, in fact, the ip you are currently bombarding.
    
    In short when you try to mess with filesharing you are trying to tamper with core functionality of the networks in much the same way that you would be “tampering” with free speech if you wanted to establish a paradigm where two people would be UNABLE to talk about certain topics with one another. The only way to accomplish it is to ban speech altogether.
    
    And the internet is just the same.
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Sandeep

What a silly idea. Not at possible to stop something big & vast as Internet + Bittorrent.
Iseemtobelost

Good luck with that shit, its not even doable. Even if MS started dicking with the OS it would cause a vertible shit storm and cost them billions in court related messes.

J.
Blah

This has been debated over and over, and I know I’m preaching to the choir here. I personally feel like these companies drive people to use bittorrent because of their internal politics. They’re not forcing people, but they make life more difficult for paying customers.

Of course, we all talk about how stupid DRM is, and how it only punishes paying customers. Everyone knows that… it’s the same for Movies, Games, Movies, Books… pirates will get it DRM free, and often before you can even legally purchase it.

One thing I’ve never seen mentioned those is how irritating it is that if I subscribe to Netflix, that I can watch movies only from some studios… only the companies that they have contracts with. Other movies, I’ve got to go to Hulu, or Amazon, or get in my car and drive to the nearest RedBox. Or, I could go to my one-stop-shop torrent site and get whatever-the-fuck I want to watch. I wouldn’t even mind paying a little bit of money for , but the fact remains that I have a better selection and can just plain do more with the free movies than I can with the ones I pay for. Figure it out people. Get past your politics and your greediness, or you’ll continue to hemorrhage customers.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Carvin/100001033684440 Andrew Carvin

I’m guessing that this “white hat” trash will not make the distinction between legal and illegal torrents, and that the people who own our government won’t care about the difference so long as it does not affect them.

If they offered their products at a reasonable price that reflects the reality of digital distribution (AKA almost no overhead at all) bittorrent would have never got off the ground.

The vast majority of the problems affecting content industries involve the steadfast refusal to admit things have changed, and invest in today’s technology (digital distribution, cloud services, etc).

People ARE willing to pay if they can afford it, and that involves NOT charging people as if the distribution costs are the same as 1995.
Steeeve

Won’t work. Well, it might work for a while, but it will be defeated easily.
In fact, the method described could be detected by a client and auto-banned. (with optional tweaks for the timeout periods and so on)

And even if they somehow managed to block all traffic at the ISP level, it could simply be encoded in a different format. The client could even be built over a web browser and send traffic that looks entirely like web page browsing, completely undetected, if a little bit slower due to sending data in bulk as opposed to many connections at once.

Many other things I can think of without even going in to encrypted networks, VPNs, proxies or whatever else.

Bittorrent isn’t exactly the best method for file sending at that. It can be improved on significantly while using a slightly similar method. That will happen whenever the 2nd paragraph up there happens. They’ll never be able to deal with this without doing some seriously high-level analysis of content over several minutes compared to the measly sub-second analysis methods.
Good luck getting any ISP to agree to that.

They will never learn it seems…
- http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
  
  The next iteration of filesharing will fix the holes in this one. It will be distributed, decentralized, resilient, and utilize end to end encryption (finding a way to incorporate TOR into it is my personal fantasy).
  
  I just hope we don’t all have to jump on i2P or stealthnet to use it.
Cemz

HAHAHA Russians can’t even keep there newest superjets (commercial aircraft) in the air. I’m sure those incompetant ruskies will screw this up too.
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TDXI

If it worked there would be no torrent sites. There are, so it doesn’t. Next
http://profiles.google.com/orfetheo Orfeas Theofanis

“It was able to stop BitTorrent traffic if needed, which made the developers realize that they might have built the holy anti-piracy grail.”

If I ever realized my program could do that, I’d burn it to the ground and make myself forget how to do it again…
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Jonas N

OK, but why do they think less non-pirated stuff will instantly be exchanged with purchased stuff? People very often pirate part because they’re just curious, and part because they don’t want to wait for e.g. a TV show to start airing in their country. Or in the wait for a movie to appear on Blu-ray. Etc, etc.

I first thought MS had involved themselves with some company introducing technology to let people more easily get content legally, but I guess that was optimistic thinking.
- Anonymous
  
  Jonas, replace the word “pirate” with “steal” in what you wrote and then think about it.
  - Bleus
    
    Stealing something REQUIRES the deprivation of use to the original owner. If the owner is not deprived of the use of the item, THEN IT IS NEITHER THEFT OR STEALING. Furthermore, the argument that it represents a lost sale is entirely specious; unless you actually by the BOGUS argument that every person who copies something they could get for free would have PAID for that thing if they couldn’t copy it… STOP MISLABLING COPYRIGHT VIOLATION AS THEFT! DOING SO IS INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST AND DISCREDITS YOU ENTIRELY.
  - WiredEarp
    
    When you steal something, you take someone stuff and leave them with nothing.
    Copying is quite different, and conflating the two is a rather naive view.
Frodo

Why to monitor the torrent content?

“Now you have no idea what’s going on with your content in torrents. It is a black box for you. But you are absolutely sure that the content is distributed illegally and out of control. And it would be quite nice to know “when, where and most importantly, how much?”. We are in the Pirate Pay understand that this information is the foundation of all stories about counterfeit.”

Maybe MicroSoft should invest in some “Gooder English” on the PiratePay website.

Also, what’s with Frodo and the Pepsi can?

http://www.piratepay.ru/en/pp
Nahblazeit

“TIXATI” already has this problem solved…it is one of the main features/aspects of the Tixati Client.

Tixati is also maximized to handle magnet links with the best performance- with many other features that allow you to pick and choose different parts of magnet-link-file-contents before downloading.

ya know, many people claimed throughout the years that books were the window to the world. now that we are running low on trees and products which require resources from our earth, books are environmentally deteriorating. Fuel consumption due to the weight and distance that books have to travel also degrades our earth. Computer and Internet technology is the new “window to the world” which requires far less resources to distribute and manufacture, as well as distribution to the majority of the world population in less than one second.

something as simple as a “movie-maker” and their similiar affiliates want to cloud your window to the world, by only showing you what they want you to see.

i was high when i wrote this

blaze it
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Regan

Wasted money. Totally :( Magnet links anyone?? Solutions like this will only cause the piracy to transform into something else (as bitTorrent is the last “version” of piracy distribution). Piracy is the distribution system of the future, companies need to develop other ways of gaining profit .. distribution is out of the game already.
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Isn’t the pirate bay Swedish, not Russian? haha
- Anonymous
  
  Yes, the Pirate BAY is Swedish, the Pirate PAY is Russian. Not sure what you are laughing about.
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Anonymous

MS & MAFIAA can both lick out my dog’s Ass.Hate to wish even that on the old boy but he might like a clean butt.And both MS & MAFIAA love to eat shit.
Anonymous

HAHA!!

Hiring the Russians for security is like hiring a fat man to guard your cupcakes.
- tonyj
  
  No kidding, the best hackers are in Eastern Europe.
Someone

Quit torrenting and start using newsgroups.
Geekized

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! Right.
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mk

What of the businesses who utilize torrent technology to distribute their software to cut back on bandwidth costs?
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Anon

I wonder if any studios or the RIAA will pay for the privileged of having torrents stopped when we and they know that it is really a waste of time, and i am sure they know by now that piracy helps them make money as much as they scream that it costs them money.Because of the comments i have seen on torrent sites i am really tempted to watch the avengers in a cinema and not to download it at all. Imagine if all the millions and millions of people just stopped downloading movies, who would be suggesting we go and see them, where would they be promoted, i have ad block plus so would not see advertisements when visiting my favorite sites,I only rarely watch trailers and only then to see if it is worth downloading something. I refused to go to the cinema for many years but have been 1-2 times a month recently as there are movies i just have to see on the big screen.I know this attempt at blocking torrents will not work, or not work for long, but if it did stop anyone from downloading movies it is just a possible sale they will lose later on.
timothy peters

Usenet, still going strong
QQ_PEWPEW

Excellent! I hope they really sell this to the studios while jacking their rates. Nothing like selling snake oil to idiots
Anonymous

I came to this article thinking “Pirate Pay” would be something that collected royalties from advertisements and gave it to the proper owners of the files, and upload “the internet”(all digital media) to their system. Just like the Pirate Bay, ‘cept more legal…

Shame on me for thinking someone would actually do it.
Trololololololololo

1) “For a month Pirate Pay’s technology protected the film “Vysotsky. Thanks to God, I’m alive,” with moderate success.”

Translation: “Pirate Pay failed miserably on their mission to prevent people from sharing random-movie-no-one-else-has-heard-about.”

2) So they found a new way of DDoSing bittorrent peers… good for them. The more they use it, the faster BT client developers will understand how to mitigate them. What makes them think they can succeed where MediaDefender failed?

3) It’s funny that if some random person joins a DDoS in protest, he’s labeled a criminal, a terrorist or worse and will be prosecuted, if caught. On the other hand, if you’re doing DDoS-for-pay, then, suddenly, all those anti-hacking/anti-DoS laws no longer apply. How amusing. Also very amusing that Microsoft is paying another company to DDoS people; not really surprising, given their track record of criminal activities, but amusing nonetheless.

4) The most ironic of all is the company’s name… “Pirate Pay”. You know… as if DDoSing some bittorrent clients is going to make Pirates run for the shops to buy all their overpriced wares. LOL. Good luck with that…
Anonymous

lol, dont these idiots have something productive to do with their time? I mean like seriously.

Privacy-Folks.tk
Anonymous

I would believe it nice had they a download that we can test this on to see how many people can successful download & those that cannot. I ask Pirate Pay to do such a test with TF’s approval.
Well it is true that BitTorrent can be attacked with fake data but BT clients usually block IPs that send too much bad data. So they must have worked around that to achieve a bigger attack.I only hope they kept this lawful and not to attack BT client’s causing the client to malfunction or to crash. To only attack the received data does not harm the client and it only attempts block the download.

In any case once the experts have seen what they are doing then they can upgrade the BT network with a fix. A double good reason to keep their attack lawful when it will be inspected closely.
Calumskye

this is bullshit it is not piracy it is shareing and shareing is careing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TheJoker47

But we all are the Hydra Bay so don’t come fuck with us, we will just grow larger!
Fake

Microsoft helped write the DMCA (and similar laws in other countries) which makes this sort of thing a crime.

It is a crime to cause a system to behave in unauthorized ways, to interfere with the normal operation of a system or to impersonate other systems, services or users.

For example it would be illegal for somebody to pretend to be a DNS server when they are not or pretend to be Microsoft.com when they are not. There are no exceptions in the laws for Microsoft, the RIAA, the MPAA or other criminal organizations.

By the way, I’m sure that broke an unemployed people around the world will race right out and pay $30 for terrible movies, corn syrup water and carcinogen laced popcorn while babies cry. Or maybe they would if their cars hadn’t already been repossessed.
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Zeljko

The humanity has stopped to exist whit ACTA
Afafa

They attack p2p peers, flooding them with garbage data on purpose? That doesn’t sound very nice and possibly illegal and if it isn’t then it should be just like email spam is. Although we’ve known for years that large enough companies are allowed to break the law.
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Xun

“…they appear to be flooding clients with fake information, masquerading as legitimate peers.”"…say they charge between $12,000 and $50,000 depending on the scope of the project”Whoa whoa whoa. So Microsoft is getting paid thousands and thousands of dollars just to troll people?
Captainpr0n

C’mon people! Isn’t it obvious the guys at Pirate Pay don’t really want to stop torrents, they just want to make fat ignorant corporations believe that and suck a maximum of money out of them.

GO Pirate Pay Mateys! Arrrr!
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Anonymous

Just had a little chuckle to my self. WOT in Chrome (Web of Trust- Tells you if a site is safe using traffic light colours and categories like “Child safety” etc) deemed “Peer Media” as practically the lowest rating they’ve ever given a site :P *Tells you something doesn’t it?*
Mickowar

Wow, petite really are stick in their traditional ways… I wonder what companies will over take the movie giants who refuse to move with the times.
Bubbawolf

They believe that people are actually going to buy their product if they can’t torrent it, which isn’t true. All this does is stop people who weren’t going to buy the media in the first place, it’s a waste of money.
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gustoguesser

If I were losing Billions of dollars every year, I’d at least be investing a Billion or two to help recover all that lost income.

But only a couple hundred thousand dollars??

These media companies had better start investing big bucks to stop the outflow of bigger bucks they’re losing.

Or, of course, they’re not actually losing Billions of dollars after all.
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DaSvidaniya

To be RELEASED PRESS now …

The Pirate Pay is most pleased to be announcing that we are pleased to make the movie that is movie “Avengers” a most great success on the theater boxes.

We have in the software greatest tools to make big movies success stories on the internet and also in the not viewing at home.

$1 BILLION so far we make for Disney clients (and also in Rubles many).

So no PIRATES torrent anymore with PiratePay you wealth much $$$.
Also good make family happy invest.

Da Svidaniya
Leogen

Hah, this’ll be fun. Good luck trying to get this anti-swarm tech on a modern version of uTorrent.
Irwl

HAHAHA!

Don’t worry guys, it won’t work. They won’t produce anything useful because they actually aren’t going to produce anything at all. I GUARANTEE IT.

What’s going on now is a perfect classic example of the Russian national under-the-table scheme – a “raspil” (saw-cutting [a budget]), “otkat” (kickback) and “deriban” (untranslatable). Everyone here is doing that. And I bet, Microsoft-Russia employees are also part of the scam ;) If the deal is $100k, they should get about $20k-30k (“standard” kickback rates).

Just for lulz: someone may wish to contact MS Global HQ Accounting (or audit, or whatever they call it) and drop some hints to investigate this “funding” under a microscope. It may well result in some MS-Russia employees getting sodomized, fired, perhaps even jailed.
Sue Phelan

We will find a way.
Anonymous

and here I thought they were developing a system that provided an affordable alternative. Silly me, why compete, when you can crush.

I’m really bummed that any of the tech giants would get involved in this kind of thing. Hopefully it is just an MS money grab, I can’t expect that they actually think it would be successful.

Even if they manage to cripple BT traffic, users will still find another way.
Ryan

I’m pretty sure that if this catches on it’ll be an easy work around to get rid of bogus peers who don’t upload proper chunks. I believe this is just a cash grab for the developers who can tell a company how many copies they prevented so they can get payed. If they start doing too many torrents and become too annoying, they’re just going to get patched and they’ll lose their money scheme .
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James J

It’s sad that so many people commenting here know nothing about torrents.
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http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

Best way to ‘stop’ bittorrent: companies offer their entire catalogs of movies, music and TV shows online at no cost or extremely little cost.
- Max Renn
  
  That in a nutshell is the solution they cannot see.
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http://twitter.com/krozareq krozareq

So these companies are paying TENS OF THOUSANDS OF US DOLLARS to flood a few torrents with BS data? Now who’s the one getting fucked and trolled?
- Anonymous
  
  The MPAA/RIAA. Honestly, i have no sympathy for them being taken to the cleaners by a tech company out to make a quick buck.
  
  It’s not exactly a new approach from what i can see so far. “fake” torrents and attempts to mess up the peer-peer connections have been going on since day one.
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Won’t encryption solve this problem? I know that encryption isn’t on by default in many bittorrent clients.
John Mitchell

google for pirate pay and you get pirate bay, i love it!
tonyj

George Orwell rules!!!!!
I can imagine other applications for this technology to maybe suppress dissident communication, to suppress the voice of the opposition, to suppress anything your government wants to suppress to prevent you from your freedom of expression. As always, this will backfire on Microsoft when they are seen supporting the Governments with a vested interest to keep their populations quite like China for instance.
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Bubanee

We Will Prevail Folks…….
[end of transmission]
Babs

If the ip address for the PiratePay servers can be added tot he torrent block lists then wouldnt that stop them affecting the stream ?
- Anonymous
  
  Most likely yes.
- Anonymous
  
  Depends. They could be sitting behind a popular VPN service which means that you may end up blocking someone else.
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Slowna

Well, what comes to Finreactor… those douchebags were bragging how they were sharing and they can’t get busted. In the open public. Also they were collecting money to upkeet the tracker. So they got some excessive cash to spend on them selfs. No wonder aouthorities hit on them. And What comes to this tech. It’s reverse engineered in no time.
http://profile.yahoo.com/DCRLSFAKM3G2P2P3QSBWRLKNTM Abby

just as Tracy implied I’m amazed that a single mom can make $4285 in a few weeks on the internet. have you read this webpage (Click on menu Home more information) http://goo.gl/GyAtW
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Mous3

So how do they avoid breaching computer crime statues with their software?
- http://twitter.com/joshtarle Josh Tarle
  
  they are of course not subject to the same rules imposed on everyone else
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max

why don’t just DDos fuckin’ PiratePay…tht is if u believe in an eye-for-an-eye…
i dare MS to DDoS my network… MS is but a rich filthy swine full o backstabbing-bastards that can’t find a way around it’s oversized ass…& all the shit put to head
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Jmorse43508

This sounds like more snake oil being marketed to the MAFIAA, when in fact it will be proven to be useless much like all their other attempts at interfering with BitTorrent traffic.

Clients will get updated, blocklists will be improved, and filesharers will barely see a dent in their torrents as a result.

Of course, if you’re on a private or semi-private tracker (Demonoid is of this latter type), tracker admins will update their software to block such attempts from occurring.
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Guest

Even if it works, is it legal?

In some countries, copyright violations are civil offenses, but intentionally disrupting someone else’s computer is a criminal offense.

Wouldn’t it be ironic if BIGNAMESTUDIO was charged in some country’s criminal court for attacking PIRATEBAYUSER at the same time BIGNAMESTUDIO was suing that same PIRATEBAYUSER in that same country’s civil court system?
Anonymous

I run an ISP. If I had to catch someone attacking my clients like this and abusing my network I would sue their asses.
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noko

And what about all those torrents that are perfectly legal?

Oh, wait, big businesses like to shit on the little guy.
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Im_A_Pirate

okay, I really dont want to switch to mac..however

Alright, lets all stop piracy, then lets see this HUGE INCREASE in everything they sell. Show us the grids/graphs.

**Opens up photoshop**
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http://slyck.com/ zbeast

They used it to protect what? “Vysotsky. Thanks to God, I’m alive”?????
I think this “film” was protected because no one cared about it.
that’s the trouble with trying to “Prevent Piracy”.
If you can’t find it to “download” it. then you simply wait.
you don’t run out and buy it, you wait or you forget about it.
I wanted to see the Avengers, i was willing to pay to see it.
I don’t want to see Battleship. I may find a download,, or i’ll wait till it’s at redbox where I can watch it for $2.00 bucks.. heck even copy it. in the end you really didn’t achieve anything you just delayed my watching and you spent $50,000 $200.000 to prevent me from watching it.. really crappy return on your investment.
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http://fiero.nl/ Cliff Pennock

Being safely outside of the US i can feel your pain, and have decided to open my board up in support of pirates everywhere. Feel free to use the O/T section at http://fiero.nl to post file requests and store magnet links. The sky is the limit! Spread the word –
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GuySmiley

The guys who developed this software don’t seem to know what they are talking about.
Sure it might relay bad information but the way torrents work the hashes fail. After a user causes your hashes to fail (Sends you bad data.) most torrent clients will block connections from that ip.
In regards to them injecting bad ip information this wouldn’t work either. Since if they even connect to one legit peer then they can receive the whole file.

The only thing they are effectively doing is wasting users bandwidth. There actions are not preventing anyone from completing the torrents as they so say. Douchebags.

Waste of their money its a fail.
beauty&geek

if we use a vpn is their any point in also using peerblock with lots of lists ?
- Anonymous
  
  There has NEVER been a point to using peerblock. The lists are all either useless, or provided by the groups you think you’re blocking.
  
  just don’t bother
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Anon

Fair enough – ok let them develop this technology and waste a large amount of cash… there are several reasons why it won’t work…

MOST NOTEABLE REASON WHY THIS WON’T WORK IS OBVIOUS…

1) The data that they would need to send will have to match the full (or part) of the torrent itself – only this data will be sent and recieved by a client.

2) disallow Multiple connections. – that way only one connection from a single IP address range is allowed

3) Force encryption in your Client. – that way there will only be accepting the connections for other clients that are also encrypting the Data this will eliminate a lot of Bad connections.

4) Disable DHT – all of a sudden you are not connected to Massive Swarms that are going to be infected.

5) Use Peer block. – once the address ranges are identified the lists are updated and all of a sudden the false links are not allowed in at all…

6) Use a private Tracker. – there is No DHT allowed and you are connecting directly to those that have uploaded / downloaded the torrent itself. and for the technology they are using to work it would mean that they would need a bot to download every single torrent that is on the site. and then they will need to seed it all as well, and i doubt that any site will allow a single user to start downloading everything that is on the site because before you know most Private Trackers have an automated warning system and then Staff are alerted to the problem with an automated message at the same time. the account is disabled immediately. and the User is Banned within hours of them starting the whole thing up.

On top of that the comapany would need servers that are thousands of times larger than Google’s MSN’s and Yahoo’s put together to gather all the data, and then the question arises, who is a bigger Pirate, Us or Pirate Pay with a copy of every single films, music, TV, E-Book, and god only knows what else on their servers from Private trackers and Public trackers.

and keeping all that Data Seeding whilst they then inject false IP Addresses into a Stream that will from the tracker itself only allo9w 1 connection per IP address / Address Range.

yeah ok there is the ratio issue if you get a private tracker, but on Private trackers you get what is called “Freeleach” These torrents are larger files normally over 30 GB depending on the trackers policies, that when you download them your download amount doesn’t rise at all – these are ideal for you to get started with and get your ratio up… and if your a nice person and your ratio gets stuck on a negative – Speak to a member of staff, to help you – if you have a half decent connection and there are only 2 people seeding something the staff are normally more than happy to leach the torrent to help your own ratio…

The other thing is because the Trackers are smaller and there are less people. the forums are normally buzzing with activity and then the community you will see and get to know show themselves. and that is what “Sharing is Caring” really is all about!.

All the trackers that i am on are all Private. and without a doubt they are going to be Trouble free from this “New Technology” – It still won’t stop them from getting on the trackers but it does HELP to prevent lawsuits, and malicious content that is often always found on Public Sites.

Oh and By the way – Not all but the majority of the stuff you have on Public trackers has come from a release Group on Private / Trackers, which in turn have been re-hashed and the new Torrent File is upped to Public Tracker search engines such as Isohunt and the Pirate Bay.
- http://twitter.com/joshtarle Josh Tarle
  
  the first thing I thought was ‘they are breaking the same laws that they claim we are breaking in order to do this’.
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Guest

One more reason to start using a GNU/Linux system. Try Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Arch Linux, etc. Stop supporting Microsoft..
- Anon
  
  agreed
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  I just realized I haven’t paid for a microsoft OS in my life.
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Pete

Sounds very much like a denial-of-service attack intended to disrupt a network .
Gee, you know what ? That is actually a FELONY !!
- Anonymous
  
  Is it illegal to disrupt a illegal network?
  - http://twitter.com/joshtarle Josh Tarle
    
    Peer to peer networks are not illegal.
    - Anonymous
      
      Some are. And those are the ones that this tool will be used against.
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Bob

Once again the giants of capitilism weep for their billions lost. They generate revenue beyond ones thoughts, and they still whine for pocket-money they lost.
- Anonymous
  
  Once again the pirates shamelessly take whatever they want for free, and they still whine when the content owners try to prevent it.
http://www.facebook.com/ahofsten Anders Hofsten

if the “industry” would jsut realise that the customers wants to depict their own market and decide what/when to watch/listen, they could have just opened up a legal alternative that lets you download what the hell you want for a subscription rate (something like netflix/spotify in one), and this witchhunt would end. i would happily pay 300 bucks per month for free music and tv when i want, and what i want. it’s not about not wanting to pay, it’s about deciding what to pay for.

i live in sweden, and hell even going to youtube gets me a legal notice from time to time that this video isn’t available in my country. the daily show was blocked in my country for some time, and those are uploaded freely by the content creators even. wtf is that about..

if they would simply stop trying to keep a dying marketing idea alive and get with program they would earn millions and both the customers and the content creators would be happy. but as you know, if you can’t control the market you can’t push any type of shit out, so i guess they better go find some talent, and fast.
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Anonononononon

I’m not sure it’s been said yet, but I’ll just say this; I have faith in the pirates.

When/if they go full moron with this Pirate Pay, I will not be surprised to see a workaround to be up within a weeks time… maybe even a day… with a tutorial. If they don’t have a workaround, it’ll only be a matter of time before they dispatch the torrent protocol and implement a brand new series of tubes to share through, just like how every new disc copy-protection has been cracked.

Go ahead with your Pirate Pay, guys. You’re not winning this round.
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  Simply find and blacklist IP ranges used by their fraudulent servers.
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Hollingsworthderrick85

man im new to all this torrent stuff. my buddy told me about torrent sites and clients but other than that i dont know much about it. can i get in any shit or be tracked on this site?
Nico_sub

Does peerblock block Pirate Pay?
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IXEXH64S34XF2A2OHGO5C2IWII Timothy
  
  It would block Pirate Bay members who are on the blacklist. Peerblocking doesn’t block websites.
Wha????

Isn’t it illegal to flood people with bad data? Isn’t that the equivelant of DOSing someone? How can that be legal? You can’t break the law to prevent the breaking of a law.
- http://twitter.com/joshtarle Josh Tarle
  
  Yes, they are breaking the same laws used to put hackers in jail.
  Torrent clients just need to incorporate a blacklisting feature to block these criminals’ servers.
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Fake123

There is only one thing wrong here. The dumb firms who claim they are losing billions in revenue are pulling these numbers out of their asses and have no clue how much they are losing. People who download bittorrents do so at zero cost, and obviously would not buy the same amount of music they download, hi basic economics. Every dollar claiming to be lost is an estimation and an unrealistic one at that
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Josephrandall1

http://beattorrent.org
Patrick Chenier

Fuck you Microsoft. My Windows is cracked! I hope you guys find every single copy out there and remove it. That way you’ll be left with a small amount of users. You know people that have Windows cracked still buy shit from Microsoft.
Xfakeonex

I won’t pretend to know what I’m talking about with all of this, however when it comes down to it….

Yes, it is illegal and rightfully so, to download torrents you haven’t paid anything for. However, if you take a step back and look at the bigger picture, with all of the free downloads these big corps., stars, and software co. are still rich. The entertainment industry leads the US economically. So, I feel no remorse grabbin a movie or 2 for free.

If these companies want this all to end they simply need to make it so that its just as simple and nearly as inexpensive as the torrents. Maybe they should consider the fact that if they were to allow netflix or red box to allow a 24 hour rental to be sold for $1. Or even for free with a donation option.

If they did this people might say, “Hey, screw it, I don’t wanna wait for the download, I’ll just pay a buck to stream it.”

This situation makes me view these corps. as horse ranchers during the Henry Ford era.

It may suck for you guys, but times are changing and no matter what you try you’ll have to accept it eventually. Work with whats going on and go for something, instead of fighting getting nothing.

To these corps. :

Good luck but you will not succeed, if you do stop torrents, some other method will come and replace it. Just as torrents appeared just as places such and limewire and bearshare were cracked down on.

FAIL
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Anonymous

LOL… This is SeedFucker from 2 years ago… all over again.

The pay-to-review industry and their proponents are so technically simplistic it’s funny.

Is there really a pirate or torrent site quaking in their boots at this bullshit? A few tweaks to the client to account for the possibility of nodes reporting false information should be enough to mitigate these efforts, even if they’re spread out on various netblocks.

If Microsoft want to invest in anything – how about making SAM secure or hire a team of code-hardeners specifically for their web-browser (considering it’s history!!) – Why fund malicious processes that are tantamount to DDoS unless you want a war with the filesharing community?
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Admin for 20 priv. trackers

Lol at these noobs trying to compare a REAL private tracker with a public tracker. People who use public trackers are trash and they always were. Most of these trashers, wouldn’t have known about torrent if there little limewire didn’t close down. Lol pathetic.
Luis Siqueira

Anything backed my Microsoft in terms of stopping copyright infringement is laughable.
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http://profiles.google.com/giantnerd14 Collin O’Toole

Why can’t they kill piracy by, oh I don’t know, changing their buisness model. Netflix and Steam are cleaning up in markets flooded with “pirated” copies of movies and games. This just sounds like a big waste of money.
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http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1233428810 Gheorghe Sarcov

PrivatePercy,
Torrentsmd.com was took down because there was a misunderstanding
between a firm of Music Production that they’ve clarified later. On this
private site EVERY content that is uploaded will be deleted if the real
owner will supply real documents and signatures. Now this private
Tracker works again and there are shared things that normally can be
deleted but Hollywood and other big Movie, Music and game industries can
not get in there to request the removal of those files. I am 101%
that Torrentsmd.com isn’t in danger anymore as long as it is private and
it will delete the content if it’s a legal claim. But as long as these
industries won’t get there ( I am sure that they won’t lose their time
to fill a legal claim for any content on that tracker) only small
Companies from Moldova may request some content to be deleted which many
members do not care about. ;P. There is a strict control of every new
user who is invited and the inviter and the forum and the tracker is
monitored 24/24 and I am sure that the users of this site will be able
to share as much content as they will want because even if foreign
companies will try to register there they simply won’t be able to
because foreign IP is strictly monitored and investigated if needed.
Plus, on every new block implemented a new “work around” appears. Big
industries and other jerky lobbyists or companies like Pirate Pay should
understand that they may try as much as they like to kill the freedom
of speech and sharing but they won’t be able to because new techniques
are implemented and we will be always able to gain access to the content
that we will want to. So, instead of trying to deny someone from
accessing something try to add to that something a strategy to promote
it better and change the approach for a particular product and the way
you “sell” it to the people. A very good example is The Promo Bay from
ThePirateBay.se. The songs that they’ve promoted got in a few weeks on
top of the music charts. And why? Because millions of people visit the
site every day and at least 1000 could be potential buyers of that CD or
DVD or may even pay for a ticket to see that concert or movie. The
problem resides in the approach taken by the major industries and not in
the Bit Torrent Network. IF companies will begin to understand that
they will be able to grow their products instead of wasting millions of
$$$ trying to stop free downloading and potential costumers. The Promo
Bay and iTunes are just a few examples of successful business
/promoting models. On this examples The big businesses may try to think
of something similar and they will win even more in terms of profit and
popularity than taking it in the old-fashioned way. IF The Big
Companies won’t understand that they will lose billions of $$$$$$$$$$$
in near future even if they will try to implement such technologies
like Pirate Pay. IF they won’t change their approach to things then they
will lose potential costumers and they will just say “Go and fuck
yourself” and will find a way to get that content for free and won’t pay
for it. They won’t want to give money to the companies promoting that
product because they’ve tried to block them from getting it and not only
the big industries will lose money, but actors or singers involved in
that project will lose too.
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http://bluetack.co.uk/ Aaron.Walkhouse

Pitifully weak. If you see unusual numbers of peers and/or seeds in the DHT,
Peer Exchange or any trackers stop the download, disable that source, clear the
peer list and start it again. Even if you turned everything off the legitimate peers
will eventually find you again.

In the meantime get a good IP filter for your P2P app and it will be able to reject
the vast majority of the decoys right off the bat. Those guys won’t be willing to
admit it, but they were only able to affect people who had no defenses at all.

That fake farm will inevitably be found and blocked no matter how many fake IP
addresses they pump out because they still have to be online to do that. We
know how to sort decoys from server farms [even the botnet-based ones] thanks
to years of futile and amateurish hacking by MediaDefender, BayTSP and a
bunch of others who became useless or went completely out of business.
I think I’ll let them dig a deep rectangular hole and suck in some more investors before I [img]http://bluetack.co.uk/forums/style_emoticons/default//butcher.gif[/img]
bring the Axe down. That’ll cure them of bragging up a beta before a [i]rea[/i]l trial begins.
MSEXITN0W

Microsoft is a bigger enemy to the internet than Google or even Facebook.
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Oavqwzhi

Wow, interesting how the comments have evolved from discussion of the topic to religion! Anyway, my 2c … I find it funny that Hollywood claim how much is “lost” each year; nobody in the media actually seems to stand up and say is “where is the proof that each download would have been a sale”? Instead, they just copy and paste press releases. Quite sad really. As it is, there’s no way to say for certain that each download IS a missed sale.

Anyway, there’s a whole heap already said about this so that’ll do from me, before I do go I want to say that if hollywood and the music industry didn’t pump out so much crap then perhaps more people would be willing to pay for the content. Manufactured bands with no real talent other than the ability to look pretty, dance and smile when they’re told to is NOT worth my money.
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Yuri de Groot

BitTorrent is also used as a legitimate channel for distribution of free software. Given that this is funded by Microsoft, who will be surprised to find distribution of Linux ISOs disrupted by this company?
- :D
  
  I use BitTorrent to download and seed Linux distros, as well as games from free game publishers and downloading/patching World of Warcraft (which uses BT technology to distribute their game/patches).
  
  Never mind the legal stuff on TPB by indie artists (such as Dan Bull).
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Microsoft just pushed me a little closer to the line of dumping their products and going with Linux.
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Neo

“The company doesn’t reveal how it works, but they appear to be flooding clients with fake information, masquerading as legitimate peers.”
Shouldn’t this qualify as a crime?
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they must be really desperate …
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Guest of a Guest

Pirate Pay will not halt piracy. It
will be flagged by clients as dumping bad hashes and it can be
isolated. This will take time to do, still it can only have a most a
years worth of success before it gets exposed and work arounds hit.

The swarm works because it is the
swarm; data flying all over from many ends. This Pirate Pay seems to
want to try and choke off the exchange or confuse the connections, in
the process the price paid for being the traffic cop is that it
becomes visible for the behavior it does and can be identified in
that way.

Any client not sending good data can be
logged and in time kicked from the swarm. So long Pirate Pay.
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