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Mininova and BREIN Clash in Court

The largest torrent indexer on the Internet defended itself in court today in a landmark case for the BitTorrent community. The outcome of the civil dispute between the anti-piracy group BREIN and Mininova will decide if the BitTorrent indexer has to actively filter torrents from the site.

Mininova, based in The Netherlands and founded by five Dutch students, was up against local anti-piracy outfit BREIN in court today. BREIN’s lawyer tried to convince the court that Mininova has to remove from their site any torrents linking to unauthorized content. It also demanded that Mininova should cover the costs of implementing such a system.

Mininova’s lawyer argued that the site is already taking measures to ensure rights holders can protect their content, and this amounts to more than they are required to do under the law. The site has a ‘notice and takedown’ policy and recently started offering an infohash filter where content owners can blacklist torrents.

The Mininova team working in their Utrecht office (photo richard.pyrker)

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Mininova’s case against BREIN was heard at the Utrecht court. Three judges have been appointed to the case. One of them is a replacement for a judge who was taken off the case a few weeks ago because he was connected to the entertainment industry. The hearing started at 1 PM with BREIN’s lawyer Dirk Visser.

Visser began by informing the court that Mininova has over 5 million daily users who use the site to download copyrighted content. A brief look at the site’s homepage clearly shows that they link to illegal content, and their business models is to make money off the millions of ads that are displayed, he said.

Mininova’s attempt to offer a distribution platform to publishers through their “featured content” section is nonsense, BREIN’s lawyer insisted. According to research conducted by BREIN 92% of the torrents on Mininova point to ‘illegal’ content, and the tag cloud with popular searches also shows that illegal content is what people are mainly looking for on the site.

In 2006 and 2007 BREIN and Mininova had lengthy discussions on how to deal with copyrighted content, Visser said. Mininova wanted BREIN to come up with specific infohashes that should be in the filter, and BREIN wanted Mininova to cover the costs. They never reached an agreement and the negotiations ended.

All in all Visser is arguing that Mininova aids in distributing copyright infringing works, and BREIN demands that the site installs a filtering mechanism that will put an end to this. Mininova will have to cover the costs of such a copyright filter themselves, they say.

Next up was Mininova’s lawyer Vita Zwaan. She started out by informing the court that this is a landmark case because it’s the first to make a judgment about the legality of the BitTorrent platform in The Netherlands, pointing out that this case obviously has far reaching consequences.

Zwaan further told the court that, while the hearing was taking place, approximately 180 torrents would be added to the site’s database and that Mininova has no knowledge of the content currently tracked by these torrents. In addition Zwaan explained that Mininova has partnerships with content owners to distribute works though their distribution platform.

On top of this, Mininova offers several options for content owners to take ‘infringing’ torrents off the site, the lawyer explained. Together with the Motion Picture Association (MPA), Mininova started experimenting with a content filter through which torrents can taken off the site by the content owners.

The filter trial is a success according to Mininova’s lawyer, who quoted one of TorrentFreak’s recent articles to point this out. BREIN also had to option to participate in the filtering trial so they could see for themselves how it works, but BREIN rejected this offer.

It is unclear what BREIN’s demands actually are according to Zwaan. They want Mininova to implement “preventive measure” but are vague about the details. However, BREIN doesn’t want to provide the info-hashes for the torrents it wants removed, and argues that this is something Mininova should do themselves. This is the opposite of what the MPA (a member of BREIN) is doing now.

According to Mininova’s lawyer, this disagreement on who should provide information on what to filter is what the case is all about.

A keyword filter that was proposed by BREIN is unworkable according to Zwaan because it would result in too many false positives. A filter for the keyword ‘office’, as BREIN suggested, would result in the removal of 92 torrents linking to “Open Office” she said.

Mininova’s lawyer then discussed some of the costs Mininova made thus far to take down torrents upon request from copyright holders (though the old system). She said that 155,876 takedown requests have been reviewed which cost the site 250,000 euro ($350,000). In addition, Mininova invested several thousand euros in the content filter.

Zwaan went on to explain that Mininova is not a necessary nor sufficient part of the BitTorrent download process. Unlike The Pirate Bay they don’t host a public tracker, and neither do they offer a BitTorrent client through which users can download torrents. BREIN argued otherwise and this is incorrect Zwaan said.

Towards the end of her plea, Zwaan argued that Mininova is not infringing the rights of various copyright holders as BREIN stated. She cited several cases in and outside The Netherlands to make point out why, and pointed out that The Pirate Bay may not have been found guilty if they had a notice and takedown policy like Mininova has.

After a short break the hearing continued briefly and the judges asked both lawyers for clarification on some issues. Mininova’s lawyer was asked about the moderators that Mininova has, and why they remove porn but not copyrighted content. Mininova explained that the moderators handle problem reports from users (about virusses, porn, etc.), while the Mininova admins handle the copyright complaints. The site has around five moderators, a number which the changes from time to time.

After roughly three hours the hearing ended and it’s now up to the judges to come up with a decision. The verdict is due on July 15. Erik Dubbelboer and the other Mininova founders think they have the law on their side. “We have confidence in the outcome of the case and we believe Mininova will continue to exist,” Erik told TorrentFreak.

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  • Insanara

    Best of luck, and will once again be a joy to read the great coverage

  • ~

    Good luck Mininova. Hopefully once you’ve been legalized, you can remove the content filtering systems and I will come back to your site.

    ~

  • Skittles

    #Spectrial 2 – Attack of the BRIEN

  • Whitepeanut

    The sequels are never as good as the original

  • Anonymous

    boogie mans gonna get em…

  • Anonymous

    @4

    “The sequels are never as good as the original”

    ROFL

  • anon

    I prefer isohunt.com and tpb, at least they don’t filter.

  • http://www.eZee.se www.eZee.se

    I dont understand this part

    “Unlike The Pirate Bay they don’t host a public tracker, and neither do they offer a BitTorrent client through which users can download torrents.”

    Was BRIENless saying they are offering a client (like utorrent)or is the problem in that they offer .torrent files(hashes) for download?

  • RzmmDX

    Mininova already sold out. What more do they want? Make Mininova the poster boy of lolwegotmoneytothrowatourproblemsandwonderwhywearelosingmoneybutatleastwegotawhippingboynow?

    The case will screw torrent sites.

    Well, it’s BREIN… they can’t get facts right.

  • God

    so is that it now? Or do they have any more court dates?

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  • anonyz

    Hope Mininova burns in hell. NL is one of the safest places to host a torrent website and what do they do? they filter! Plz die Mininova, do it for the BT community.!

  • anon2

    BREIN arn’t worried about getting their facts right, they’re only concerned in getting what they want, no matter how they do it or what lies they tell. mininova were bloody idiots to even think about going to court and expecting to win and to state the differences between them and TPB is clutching at straws. they are now in deep shit and serve them rights. all the torrent sites should stick together. united they stand, divided they fall!!

  • Anonymous

    There was once a great site for torrents…something…mini…something…
    What did you say, mininova? I don’t know becaouse IT’S DEATH FOR ME!

    Mininova, enjoy your slow firedeath… you’re caousing problems, soo much problems, shit’s gonna happen after your verdict… you and your filtering shit, and RIAA/MPA asslicking atitude… filtering, censoring, bending the way RIAA/MPA wants…

    Soon torrent sites will either die even quicker (if you, with filters and all the crap will be found guilty…what will then sites with trackers/unfiltered)… or if you won’t be found guilty, it’ll be “Filter or GTFO” for other torrent sites…

    Thanks for censoring my internets… we don’t need you here…

  • lol

    “The site currently has 5 moderators and their names are unknown according to Mininova.”

    5 moderators looking after the site 24/7 and getting ZERO thanks for it from the admins.

    Another “play dumb” tactic from the admins, course they know them! they talk everyday & know them well! Maybe they are trying to protect them but from what? It’s nothing illegal

    MININOVA Admins. i’ve Lost SO MUCH respect for you, all this playing dumb nonsense – be like TPB guys, stand up for what you believe in and what you put all your time into FFS!
    All this time, all this effort…wasted

    SELLOUTS, won’t even make the top 20 next year. Good while it lasted.

  • ww

    Mininova: In spite of the content filtering system, I believe that once it becomes clearly stated, that a BT tracker/search provider is NOT responsible for anything its users upload, the content filtering won’t have any sense anymore, and will cease to operate. And I believe, this WILL happen ;)

    BTW: It’s my birthday on July 15th ;) the victorious verdict (of course victorious for Mininova :P ) would be a REALLY nice present, even though I’m not from The Netherlands :)
    Good Luck.

  • Hom3r

    mininova sucks.

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  • ww

    Just because they are under pressure of MAFIAA, they don’t immediately suck, MAFIAA is the one, who sucks. I agree that this behaviour of mininova is not acceptable, but they were forced to it and, who knows, it probably will serve them to achieve victory more easily.

  • ToeD

    as one of mini’s main game uploader, ill have one thing to add:

    fuck you deeeeeeeeeeeeeep brein-lame.

  • Anonymous

    ohh yes they do. I dont know why but the only torrens site i like is tpb, its the layout and all around just pefect except for the search. Gets overloaded often and if you use chorme and search with something like “‘” then it gets overloaded, but ovarall tpb is the best torrent site around in my opinion

  • Virate

    MN blows.. naturally we’re all in it together.. but Mininova takes all the fun out of pirating..

    They’re like a loser pirate who want to appear legit rather than fully climb aboard and rape and pillage.

  • Reasoned Mind

    “They’re like a loser pirate who want[s] to appear legit rather than fully climb aboard and rape and pillage.”

    ah. Poetry.

  • Pirates > RIAA

    I would laugh if they are found guilty even with the filter.

    Verdict says win: The big “boys” will start making torrent sites implement the filter.

    Verdict says lose: The battle continues and still hope to prove the sites are 100% legal.

    Either way, the RIAA will still fail in the long run. There is NO WAY you can completely stop piracy. I wouldn’t be surprised if they actually tried to made it possible for the govt. to peek into our e-mails to stop copyright infringement.

  • JesusHatesLies

    Mininova will go up for sale soon…Within six months…Mark my words….You heard it here first….

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  • Dellum

    Fuck mininova! i hope those guys get raped in the ass.

  • Dellum

    F|_|ck censorship!

  • Anon1

    “Mininova sucks”

    “Mininova sold out”

    “Mininova is like so old, I like use another public tracker now cause I cant get into a decent private one, like”

    Get over yourselves and think about all the stuff this site has done …

    Ungrateful bástards.

  • Mighty Joe Young

    QUOTE: “Erik Dubbelboer and the other Mininova founders think they have the law on their side. “We have confidence in the outcome of the case and we don’t think Mininova will cease to exist”

    That’s what The Pirate Bay thought also, who are they kidding!

  • oooh

    I hope if they go under they release teir source code. Mininove is one of the friendliest layouts I;ve seen on the home page. Nice lists of the popular downloads using some algorithm and it always has beneficial stuff, particularly in the Ebooks section. That is beautiful I discover little classic gems.

  • Anonymous

    “Mininova’s lawyer asked about the moderators that Mininova has, and why they remove porn but not copyrighted content.”

    This will come to bite them in the ass I feel.

    @27.

    “Get over yourselves and think about all the stuff this site has done.”

    What has mininova done exactly? They leech of the real trackers and make money off of it. Without piratebay, and a few others, mininova would be just another corporate site nobody gave a crap about. Even with those it still is largely useless. Its indexing sucks, and without ad blocking utilities (which does defeat the point of their business model) the pages are clusterfucked with hideous flashing adds that take several times longer to load than the page itself.

    With that said, BREINs case here is pretty weak. Filters are extremely difficult to implement correctly, and simply asking them to procure a filter that does its job correctly and doesn’t generate a ton of false positives poses a serious problem.

    Mininova has screwed itself in the long run. It’s trying to please everybody, and when you do that, you end up pissing the majority off. Pirates don’t care, and the media dipshits want complete control over everything. Playing the middle ground will turn both parties against you eventually.

  • www.Torrentino.net

    #30 nailed it on the head there.

  • mpaanova

    we put a new filter on the coffee torrent machine :/

  • News Reader

    Mininova is a FREE Site. Same as Piratebay.

    So what if they get some bucks from it?. Domains and computers aren’t cheap.

    So Please Guys don’t go complaining for something you guys don’t even contribute to.

  • ju

    animorphs, Visser = bad guy. case and point

  • many goes to bollywood

    cool story bro :)

  • puser

    mininova thxbai.

  • Anonymous

    itrrfkjuuyg

  • gulpitron

    SO bottem line is who fucking cares? this case is almost totaly irelivent to anything…. I mean agrueing about who should supply what filters to who when and why?!?#SO WHAT?
    BREIN has no case and mininova suxs corperate cock already! even if mininova lose, that case is so totaly stupid with BREIN not even having a fix goal other then to make some cash.
    BREIN and mininova should have a baby and call it ‘BREINOVA’. i could be 100% the same torrent site as mininova is now with them filterthe fuck out of everything but they wont get sued.

  • asdf

    To all Mininova haters: Fuck you all! Go Mininova, fight the power!

  • Jason

    So Mininova s***talks about TPB in the hopes to win this case? You have no case in my opinion! You are bound to get shut down!

  • The Queef

    The best thing is that the filter doesn’t work at all,not at any level.If it filters a torrent out then it’s replaced by a textfile that tells you were to go,also there is the community that give you a direct link to the torrent in the comments.
    Mininova should know better then to think this will save their asses. They knew what their doing since the day mininova cam to live,just think about it for a second.
    Would mininova be what it is today if they used a real content filter from day one ?? Nah,I don’t think so.
    Don’t get me wrong,I hope mininova will win this thing, just for the bennefit of the community,not to save their butts.I love their website but I never agreed with their attitude,No porn,no trackers and to many restrictions what you can and can’t say and those admins piss me off big time, what kind of useless cunt do you have to be to become a admin???
    I’ll bet Tim Kuik use to be one of them.

    Cheers,

    -the Queef-

  • TerribleTony

    I’m sorry, but why should Mininova fund the filtering of copyrighted works? If the copyright owners are so concerned then surely paying a little to protect against their supposed massive losses is a non-brainer?

    Because in reality, they know that filtering Mininova will do nothing to protect their works. The aim is to shut down Mininova, and then move onto the next site.

    Note: I don’t agree with any kind of filtering system anyway.

  • dylbob

    any win in court is good for the torrent community personally I THINK isohunt rules piratebay close no2 and mininova 3rd GOOD LUCK ANYWAY GUYS

  • mustangx

    thanks for the highlights on the case ernesto .

  • /now if only…

    all the torrent sites should stick together. united they stand, divided they fall!!

    @ anon2. Man this is so true & well said.

    Site’s should stand together, only fair since the corporate whores bend the law to suit themselves. Then launch a defamation suit against these suckers of satans c0ck with a real judge & law not based on the parties capital.

    Mininova you’re not even hosting the content so why fvcking filter…??

    Get your $hit together lads, & we can start celebrating 50 billionth torrent download from mininova :0)

  • americansarefatandstupid

    I’ll drink to BREIN’s victory. Wipe mininova off the face of the internet. I condone piracy but I just hate bittorrent and all those attention seeking fag webadmins.

  • DJ Sketch@1337x.org

    good luck mininova……its still just a dumpsite tho.

  • Justice

    TPB -> Dead soon
    Mininova -> Dead soon

    Bye Bye f****ng bunch of parasites!!!!!!

  • MiniNova sucks

    MiniNova sucks!!.. don’t download from there you will get virus.. and they only index the torrents they, aren’t a tracker..

    TPB FTW!!!!

  • devious204

    you think it should be entirely up to the content creator on how they want to distribute, if they want to use both the music industry AND use torrent sites then that is there perogative(sp). it should NOT be up to one of the distributors, not up to the courts, not up to governments. i am sure alot of content creators when they find out they have a larger following than what shows in only record sales would be ecstatic, if not, then they may be creating for the wrong reasons.i am a creator, i’ve done shows locally, i’ve sold cd’s and given away free mp3′s on my site of everything i have done, sure i don’t make a living at it, but thats not why i do what i do :)

  • Surprise

    Mininova does a lot secret stuff behind the scene, I wonder if they are already handing over log’s to the MPAA since they suck their balls!

  • Threepwood

    Ah, it’s so easy for the trolls to play divide and conquer.
    It’s even more alarming to see many here go for the bait.

    I hope Mininova pulls through somehow.

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  • RoestVrijStaal

    Maybe could the admin use a way to prevent trolling-IP’s to response?

    This trial is really different in comparison with the TPB-trial. The worst thing that could happen to Mininova that it only will give open source torrents and torrents of his Content Distribution service. Erik Dubbelboer is right, Mininova will never go down. The nova will shine forever :)

  • mininovaisdead

    many of the files that are apps are infected with virus
    they are only removed if user report it but many of these infected torrent remain active
    a clean site? you got to watch what your downloading, one bad torrent can ruin everything on your computer forcing you to format your hard drive because its impossible to clean out hundreds of virus and spyware that are downloaded after these trojan have been executed by the user who thought it was a harmless. These file are .exe and are always under 1mb so be very careful what to run. These are nasty virus that disable task manager, change your homepage, max out your cpu resources at 100 percent so you can’t do anything but turn off computer and format the HD, reinstall windows. mininova is already filtering torrent before the trial which mean they already lost, if asked to shutdown that is what their going to do. since 99.9 percent of torrent are copyrighted they would have to remove almost everything. I think they should just shut down the site or wipe out everything and sell their domain if they can’t stand the heat or just scared.
    “Together with the Motion Picture Association (MPA), Mininova started experimenting with a content filter through which torrents can taken off the site by the content owners.”
    Together? So now they are in bed with the enemy. Nice going…
    Its the end of mininova as we know it… Either the site get shutdown or user no longer visit mininova who have sold out to nazis.

  • Anon

    hope mininova loses big time

    since they started pissing their pants and using that search copyright filter they can just go to hell :)

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  • Rabbit80

    @55 – One Word…

    Sandboxie ;)

  • Anonymous

    Why are you all so passionate about a friggen torrent site?? TPB and MN are both so entirely lame. Private trackers get content quicker and it’s much safer. Have none of you noticed that public trackers go down eventually? Big. Fucking. Deal. Remember when it was suprnova? Noobs caught up in a noob’s fight. Noobs.

  • lick mike hunt

    i hope mininove wins its case ,
    i like mininova as its an open site,
    not like the pretentious private ones ,,that are up their own arses ,
    and you guys wishing its demise need shagging with the rotten end of a ragmans trumpet ,
    GOOD LUCK MINI
    and best wishes from a long time user
    thanks

  • Barry

    Its simple. If by dutch law Mininova may not contain external links that provide such things, *.nl and -implied- all dutch people are fucked. Including Google and any searchresults provider.

    Lets hope they don’t fuck up and consider linking still is legal.

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    @ 49 – I think that’s what people like you said when Suprnova was taken down. And Lokitorrent. And Torrentspy. Oh, and Napster, Grokster and KaZaA. And oh look, we’re all still here :)

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  • Shilelis

    let’s just disconnect them from the internet (MAFFIA and else).

  • novaROCKS

    The your-so-lame-because-you-use-a-certain-*INSERT OBJECT HERE* argument is ridiculous.
    You sound like a bunch of middle schoolers putting down the kid with the wal-mart sneakers.
    A site like nova got so popular because it worked. Plain and simple. Whether it’s hardcore enough for you super-geek basement dwellers doesn’t make it less useful.
    Now go back to your private tracker is so safe and cool illusion…

  • meh

    Id give a fu*k if mininova actually hosted their own trackers.

    I’d love to see MiniNova fall. But it’s not going to happen :(

  • lick mike hunt

    meh your a knobhead
    mininova aint gonna fall ,not like you and all the other haters of mini ,your gonna drop to your knees and suck the mans cock

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  • Sanity

    Speaking on behalf of 95% of the Dutch people:

    BREIN’s not with us.

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  • Anonymous

    Google will show torrents too. Are they going after them next? Just a search engine!!!

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  • Ben198321

    EXACTLY!!! How come no one goes after Google or any other search engine? Thats where I look for my torrents when I cant find them on Mininova!!! People need to change their f***ing diapers and stop f***ing crying!!!

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