Ministry of Sound Silenced By Huge DDoS Attack

Today, lawyers Gallant Macmillan will attend the High Court in London in an attempt to persuade a senior judge to order the handover of hundreds more identities of people accused of file-sharing. To mark this occasion, Operation Payback decided to hit the London law firm but after they tried to nullify the planned DDoS attack, Anonymous hit their client instead. Many hours later, Ministry of Sound is still out of business online.

As reported in our earlier article, today London lawyers Gallant Macmillan will go to court on behalf of their client and large independent music label Ministry of Sound.

The continuation of the hearing between Ministry of Sound Recordings Ltd and ISP Plusnet Plc will go ahead at London’s High Court. Gallant Macmillan hope that the judge, Chief Master Winegarten, will order Plusnet to hand over the identities of hundreds of alleged filesharers so that Ministry of Sound can prise a cash settlement out of them, ACS:Law style.

To give Gallant Macmillan something to think about, on Saturday the leaders of Operation Payback decided on a new target. At 2pm EST (7pm GMT) Sunday October 3rd (yesterday), the website of Gallant Macmillan was destined to become the next target of a DDoS attack, coordinated from the Operation Payback homepage.

But Gallant Macmillan’s web admin had other ideas. Fairly quickly the GMLegal.co.uk site began returning the ‘Invalid Hostname’ error.

“This suggests that an administrator has manually pulled the website off the server, although the domain is still pointing to the same server,” a leader of Operation Payback told TorrentFreak.

Nevertheless, Gallant Macmillan (and their mail service housed on the same server) remained the target but then, shortly before the attack was due to start, the law firm took an unexpected action.

“An hour before the attack, GMLegal.co.uk changed their DNS records to point to 127.0.0.1, effectively surrendering,” we were informed.

But a new target had already been chosen, one that didn’t have any time to prepare. Minutes after 7pm GMT, the website of Ministry of Sound, which ordered the action against alleged file-sharers, was taken offline by a huge DDoS attack. The payment site of the company was also targeted, along with its operations in other countries.

This is the first time that a site that actually makes money from selling music has been targeted in Operation Payback and the attack will have a direct financial consequence for Ministry of Sound which turns over around £80 million worldwide.

At the time of writing, some 12 hours after the attack began, much of MoS’s online operations remain down. If Operation Payback wanted to give MoS something to think about in court today, they will have achieved their aim, especially if the judge doesn’t give them an easy ride.

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payback

for the emperor!
Gargamel

This is smart because time is money, and money is the only thing they understand or care about.
hawkman

maybe these 4chan geniuses should stop announcing DDoS attacks ahead of time. Anyone with half a brain knew that they would do something to avoid the attack.
Okay

Pointless….
Anonymous

@hawkman

Why? We achieved our goal without even having to DDoS them. Isn’t that great?!
Hell.yeah

Ill buy a bunch of vps’s/dedi’s with 1gbits to ddos those bastards , yes we will pay money to doa you but we wont pay ur blackmailing settlements
Anonymous

Keep your cannons firing

time is money…

Targets:

prepay.ministryofsound.com -
146.101.141.47

ministryofsound.com – 109.108.135.158:80
Anon

Keep firing, do not stop.
Anonymous

Finally Anon are attacking the disease and not just the symptom of the problem.

They should attack every online music and movie download site; hack the site and put up a message that say’s

“Online downloading from this site has been disabled, please visit http://thepiratebay.org to download your music/movies”
Anonymous

Turn on Hive Mind. Load up your cannon. Scream, aim, fire! desudesu.
Anonymous

changing the dns records to 127.0.0.1 pretty smart :P
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4chan fan

why is the add your response area not looking right, the respond button doesnt look like a button it looks like the word respond surrounded by very light grey
Anonymous

rather than just timing out as it was overnight
Ministryofsound.com is now reporting

503 Service Unavailable
No server is available to handle this request.
Anonymous

Hah. It was fun to follow the whole deal last night especially with the large amount of fail involved with the initial attack.

If I could find the place where it was run, then anyone could, including those running the servers in question, which they apparently did, and it was funny.
Anonymous

funny
Mr M

Stopping them making revenue, smart.

Although, the target was kind of small in this instance.
MAH LAZER

Still firing MAH LAZER¬!!!!
LivesOn!

prepay.ministryofsound.com is catastrophically broken now!

Server Error in ‘/’ Application.
——————————————————————————–

Failed to login to session state SQL server for user ‘sa’.
Description: An unhandled exception occurred during the execution of the current web request. Please review the stack trace for more information about the error and where it originated in the code.
Anonymous

That was incredibly stupid of MoS! Srsly, but we won’t tell them why. We are legion!
Anonymous

lets see they make “£80 million worldwide” and they want to take somebody to court for downloading their music. i guess that is what greed does lmfao
Anonymous

At last, something that will hurt the industry
Anonymous

I don’t get why people think this is pointless. There was a time when a protest involved everyone turning up in one spot waving signs and chanting. Did it do anything? Not really. Did it gain attention and support for the cause? Yes which is exactly what we’re doing here. The difference is this is much easier since we don’t all have to travel hundreds of miles to meet up. More importantly people from all over the world are joining in, showing this is a problem for everybody, not just a few. If you don’t like it then go do something yourself or STFU.

MOAR LAZERS!!!11!
LivesOn!

gmlegal.co.uk now has new dns and has a holding page. Looks like they got a new host too; 217.194.212.6 ENTA NET, the guys selling them the downloaders’ info to sue! Are they asking for trouble or what you guys?!!
Kaptain Krunch

Good work. What they should do is announce a time for everyone to gather and then mention the target to everybody just before they fire their canons. This way no one knows who is going to be attacked and everyone will be surprised. And I mean everyone including the supporters who volunteer to help.
Frank

Keep up the great work. Take the bastards all down.
Anon

I think targeting the law firms’websites are useless as it has no direct affect on their income.
Instead we should target their clients so that anyone who want to bring ruinous lawsuits against the people will suffer. The mega companies are the root of all this mess. Without them the law firms will have no reason to go after anyone.
Oh Dear

Targeting the law firms can have effect, it will impact on other aspects of there business.
02784778

@22: It’s pointless because now Anon are attacking the label. The label releases the music, they make sure YOU can buy it, if you want to. And give the artist a little piece of that.

Of course the labels are bureaucratic and wasteful fools, but they have just been tricked into these law suits by the law firms that are claiming ‘it’s easy, we’ve got the jurisprudential and you can even get a profit from this’.

If you want to attack something: Apple iTunes Store, 0.99$ per track, of which the artist gets at most 0.03$, while each file download is just an inferior duplicate that can be copied for 0.00$. Make sure the consumer goes to different (digital) outlets where the artist get more of the revenue.
aswedishman

prepay.ministryofsound.com seems to be working from sweden at the moment. Just checked.
wizz

Time is money, targeting payments services is actually the hurting stuff. Good Work.
Anonymous

@23 I think entanet is just a bandwidth provider

the webhosting company GM are using is hostinguk.net

No Idea If they had the same hosting firm yesterday but most likely the change in dns lookup to 127.0.0.1 was a webhosts attempt to hoist the white flaf though would not of made any difference as loic uses IP address.
mike

to the mos,if something works leave it,when in a hole dont dig pmsl
A Person

http://www.gmlegal.co.uk/index.htm

Their plesk page :)
Anonymous

@26 I second that!
hacktheworld

@28
I smell a **aa shill.
lorro

“I think targeting the law firms’websites are useless as it has no direct affect on their income.”

Have you seen what the DDOS on ACS did, with the leaked emails, it will basically force them to go bankrupt which will make other law firms think twice when they pull the same stunts as ACS.
Anonymous

http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/10/1239&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Freedom

4chan 4eva! Keep it up! May knowledge forever remain free, as it should!
DarknezzFallz

why is it that these attacks only seem to be happening to Anti-pirates in UK?
Why has none of the companies in the USA been hit yet?

Are the people of OP afraid of the americans?
Toronto Anon #122

THIS IS WIN!

PAYBACK IS PAID, MOAR WILL COME! EXPECT IT!
Anonymous

Now if only they’ll go after edgegaming and affiliates, those lying bastards….you can read up whats happening with them and EA regarding Mirror’s Edge while you wonder where all the Cross Edge DLC went >_>
longknives

prepaybackisabitch.ministryofsound.com
Anonymous

FOR GREAT JUSTICE!
Anon

@36, maybe i should clarify. If ACS is down, big media companies will just look for another law firm to take over. The amount of money allocated to law firms is still there and there will always be law firms to take advantage of it.

If the media companies get targeted, if we make it so that it is more painful to sue then to let things rest, they might reconsider their current strategy.

Of course whatever happened at ACS is great, but it is not going to be of much help if we try to bust one law firm at a time.
longknives

the law firms are just the flies feeding on the corporate piles of shit
Anonymous

I used to go clubbin @ the mos, b4 they started money grabbin.

Now all they wan’t is to , is to empty your pockects b4 you leave.

.

Short term profits. ( @ customers expense )

Lose customers.

mos have made their bed.
Anonymous

You know you people could make a statement without having a bunch of little kids running around bragging about what they did. You use tors and proxies to behind. Half the proxies these kids are using you can connect to and view their ip address. Grow up kiddies and stay on point.
Tard-Spnaker!

Retard – you can’t LOIC from behind a proxy.

Grow a brain yourself, (unt…
Hickster

Hey, Great article (Again) and nice logo :-)
Duke

Is anyone (else) planning to attend the hearing today? I wonder if the Court will get DDoS’d if enough people try to watch.

[It's 3pm at the Royal Courts of Justice.]
Anonymous

You can’t use LOIC behind a VPN. You would just DDoS the VPN server. Think before you write.
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not hawkman

@hawkman,3

And how would you do that? I’m sure that no one has a botnet that can do it on its own.
Anonymous

“This suggests that an administrator has manually pulled the website off the server, although the domain is still pointing to the same server,” a leader of Operation Payback told TorrentFreak.”

you still lose because the point was to take down the site and you did it for them
me

pmsl
Anonymous

Out of my understandings, but it? still fair game. Individuals against Corporate power, I like the scheme .
Anonymous

I seriously can’t wait for someone to go to get charged for DDoS.
Rabbit80

I agree with some of the previous posters. Go for the jugular and take down iTunes!
Corvidae

It brings me great joy to read this story this morning. Twas a fun attack.
an0nymous

@ 48 Tard-Spnaker!

“Retard – you can’t LOIC from behind a proxy.”

Yes you can

@ 51 Anonymous

“You can’t use LOIC behind a VPN. You would just DDoS the VPN server. Think before you write.”

Yes you can, and no you won’t
Anonymous

canon –> target BOOM

canon –> proxy BOOM –> target

only some 12yo retards dont get this
Anonymous.

@ 60

“BOOM”

I run commercial proxy and VPN services. They are unaffected by actions like these. A single proxy/VPN user, or a few users, won’t bring down the servers.

DDoS requires hundreds, if not thousands, of people/computers to participate. Granted, if they were all using the same proxy or VPN there would be problems, but that’s not how it happens.

Any proxy or VPN that can’t handle a few hundred SYN packets per second isn’t worth using.
Whatever

A wargame analogy..
Taking out the lawyers is like taking out the weapons of a battleship. Attacking the labels website is trying to destroy the propulsion (while they can still shoot).

It makes sense to first render them harmless, then take out the propulsion and finally destroy the rest of the (armoured) vessel.
Dia

Attacking MoS is a great idea because it will actually have an effect.
Anonymous

4chan 4ever
Johnny

> “What they should do is announce a time for everyone to gather and then mention the target to everybody just before they fire their canons.”

Makes no difference the site is offline, which was the whole point. Thanks to GM’s webmaster Anon could take down another site instead. “2 sites down for the price of 1″, what more do you want…. LOL.
Anonymous

check your facts. independent artists make 80 cents or more off of a 99 cent download.

Really, dumbasses. It is not the music and artists we are against – we are FOR trying before we BUY. Really, if you don’t do that, you are not a “pirate” you are an asshole. You should support the good artists – then the bad ones will go away.
Leigon

Pay back is a bitch, You Will Never Win!!! we are smarter faster and bigger than you..You can try but you will fail!!
BIOS HazarD

An interesting point that may be of interest to those of you joining Operation Payback… (not that I am helping /enddisclaimer)

They (Gallant Macmillan) had set their DNS to 127.0.0.1, effectively routing any attack on their .com useless (you essentially attack your own computer).

But there is a way around this. In your hosts file (c:/windows/system32/driver/etc/hosts), you can add a line like this:

123.456.789.012 domain.com

And it will connect to the website anyway and completely bypass the need for their DNS. This will effectively still allow you to bombard the shit out of them, while not relying on the DNS.

tl;dr

As long as the server is up and httpd.conf still has a vhost entry that connects the IP to the hostname, you are in business for accessing the site :P

—–

So that is my tech blog post within a blog post for today. Let me know if you found this interesting or useful at all, I love when people give me attention :3

Oh and good article TF, I love your consistent and unbiased coverage of the Operation Payback movement (yes it is a movement now, you saw it here first). It is uplifting to see such a passionate display of the middle finger from the public (Internet) :)
Anonymous

@61 What’s the name of your Proxie/VPN service, we’ll use yours then :)
BIOS HazarD

Oh and a note on DDoSing proxies. If you will view my previous point (which at the time of writing is pending moderation), you will see that what takes down a site is the massive HTTP requests to Apache on that server.

Think about it this way: How do you connect to anything on the internet? Through a series of hops. These hops are essentially taking your request and passive to the next hop (try running “tracert google.com” in CMD). The VPN’s and proxies (unless its a PHP proxy) are just another way to route to the same destination. Although it is wildly inefficient to push a DoS attack through a little proxy.

tl;dr (conclusion)

proxies aren’t what you request, its Apache and its associated return data that gets hit.

—–

Really hope my last post makes it through… I spent a long time typing that :(

<3 BIOS
Drag0nflamez

We shouldn’t DDOS iTunes – since Phobos (Apple’s CDN) can handle a lot of stress – Apple.com hasn’t crahsed since 2007 or something. + their music is drm-free.
magellan

@66:
I don’t know about we, but I am against using tax money and write custom laws to artificially prop up an obsolete distribution model.
99c is still too much for something i can do better myself, for less money. Doesn’t matter where those cents end up.
From the riddler

Anyone know if Gallant Mcmillain were refused the plusnet names ?

What is it that nobody wants yet everyone wants to win ?

A Lawsuit
RocknRolla

Let them feel! Let them hear the sound of fear! Let them smell the sound of banndom! Let them see the rage they made!

ROCK ON!!!!!
Anonymous

#70

99 cents is too much to purchase a song that you can have forever?? What a cheap bastard you must be.

Think about it. Someone writes a song (and has all the experiences that go into that) – arranges it, records it, (of course, using the skills and talents that have taken a lot of work and time to acquire) – mixes and masters it – preps it for online use. Packages it – and if 10,000 people purchase they get about $8000 – if they have done basically ALL of this themselves. Which is about 2 months salary of a decent job.

Im talking indy people here that you like – not assholes that get shoved down our throat by the industry. But like it or not, iTunes and the other online distributors are really the only option for people like this – and believe me – we are lucky that the “model” has changed.
Duke

For those interested, it sounds like the Ministry of Sound v Plusnet case has been postponed until 12th January, because PN/BT wants to resist on “security grounds”.

Seems they are choosing to look past the lack of evidence, disproportionate response, absurdly-high claims for damages and the unwillingness of them to actually pursue people.
Anonymous

99 cents is still too much for a crappy mp3. Iracks should be released in the FLAC format.
FuzzyX

Word out is the PlusNet vs MOS case is now adjourned until Jan 12.

Three more months to wait.
Anonymous

lols
Funny

If anyone wants to see a very funny Nazi/Hitler version of ACS:Law then see this video…
http://vimeo.com/15463930
dun dun dun

Just in case any MoS fans really need a fix, I think the EGYPTIAN SITE is still up. ministryofsoundegypt.com

hang in there, MoS. eBaumsworld will stop eventually.
Anonymous

Today’s Metro double page spread on ACS Law http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8772/clipboard1en.jpg thanks to yodaz77
Anonymous

http://www.gmlegal.co.uk and mail.gmlegal.co.uk are both back on real IPs – 217.194.212.6
LivesOn!

http://www.ministryofsound.com is back (albeit with holding page) with new IP/host :)

Still no sign of prepay.ministryofsound.com yet though.
LivesOn!

I just called David at Gallant Macmillan (0207 758 4728) he is working late today, I asked him how the case went today and he said I should ask the Court myself – methinks he has had a bad day at the office :)

Maybe someone else could call the charming fellow and ask him for an update ;)

lulz
Grok

@69 Drag0nflamez

“their music is drm-free.”

You must be fucking retarded. The iTunes store music is loaded with drm. To say that it’s drm-free only proves that you don’t know shit about drm.
Mike

Pointless. By attacking labels you are only hurting the artists whose songs you so dearly love to download for free.

If the labels cant sell any song, the artists dont get a cut. So how is all this foolishness serving any purpose?
Anonymous

FYI LOIC does work under Wine.
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=21567
Anon

At this point, I cannot understand why people still think this is pointless… its like their not even watching the news.

Criminal Andrew Crossly = Dealt With.

So explain to me exactly how this is pointless?

Anonymous has done more than police, judges, courts, justice systems have ever done.

Fighting for freedom doesn’t always make perfect sense at all times, but you must keep fighting.
Anon

@84 Mike,

You clearly miss the point. The labels are the enemy of both consumers and artists. They are selfish, greedy and corrupt. We will do away with them so that consumers and artists can move freely.

Middleman have always served a purpose, but as time progresses they go away. Their time has come.
Anonymous

“maybe these 4chan geniuses should stop announcing DDoS attacks ahead of time. Anyone with half a brain knew that they would do something to avoid the attack.”

Frankly Gallant Macmillan server admin self ddosed themselves.

It is like killing yourself not to die.

Their server is still down as we speak and there is no doubt that it will be attacked as soon as it is back up.

Also if there is enough cybersoldiers there is nothing they can do to resist the attack and pulling the server off-line is the only thing to do.

But now for the first time after the ACS law fiasco the corporate parasites are afraid as the ministry of sound label is currently losing 10 of thousand of dollar per day.

Good job anonymous! Continue the good fight!
Anonymous

“If the labels cant sell any song, the artists dont get a cut. So how is all this foolishness serving any purpose?”

This is their fault.

They should get their money from us directly and not via some corporate parasites who damage our society, our economy and our planet.
Anonymous

it’s seem to be that the prepay.ministryofsound.com is corrupted!

Oh Boy!
Duke

Of course it isn’t pointless – while we may disagree with their methods anonymous managed to achieve what the SRA, Which, politicians, lobbyists and Lords have failed to do; they stopped (however temporarily) the “speculative invoicing” process in the UK.

It wasn’t their aim (it started as revenge against a company that was DDoSing torrent sites) but that doesn’t lessen their achievement. Anonymous won a battle in the war against anti-pirates. I’m not sure whether to be impressed or afraid.
Anonymous

“prepay.ministryofsound.com seems to be working from sweden at the moment. Just checked.”

No.

They are still completely down.
Anonymous

“http://www.ministryofsound.com is back (albeit with holding page) with new IP/host :)”

Yes the message is:

Sorry! The Ministry of Sound website is currently unavailable.

As soon as they put back the site up we will Ddos this as well.
Anonymous

We will continue to DDos as long as we are made.

OR

The MOS can surrender to us.

ELSE

?????
mr happy

don’t worry

http://bbs.scoobynet.com/non-scooby-related-4/853988-ministry-of-sound-v-bt-plusnet-hearing.html
theDog

In George Orwell’s book Nineteen Eigthy-Four he had the Ministry of Truth. The Ministry of Truth is involved with news media, entertainment, the fine arts and educational books. Its purpose is to rewrite history and change the facts to fit Party doctrine for propaganda effect. This is like deja vu all over again.
Anonymous

excellent jibe at crossley in an inquirer article

(of Crossley) ‘ bemoaning that the potential fine for the data breach might bankrupt his firm.

From what we gather, appearing at his initial bankruptcy hearing will be the very first time that Crossley will have seen the inside of a courtroom.’
Latest On Gallant Mc……

Latest on Gallant Mcmillain…….

Order has not been grated, Bt asks for and gets adjournment.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/oct/04/intellectual-property-data-protection
Animated_Death

Sorry! The Ministry of Sound website is currently unavailable. Hhahahah!
albert camus

“In George Orwell’s book Nineteen Eigthy-Four he had the Ministry of Truth. The Ministry of Truth is involved with news media, entertainment, the fine arts and educational books. Its purpose is to rewrite history and change the facts to fit Party doctrine for propaganda effect. This is like deja vu all over again.”

a few hours ago I posted in support of independent musicians and against piracy. And guess what, the post was moderated out and never appeared.
There’s more than one party here editing reality to fit their own agenda.

Both sides as bad as each other imo

Fix up.
Anonymous

Announce DDOS, webmaster takes website offline. Later, webmaster puts website back online. Unannounced DDOS. Great success.
k

Ministry of Sound are moving to IP 78.109.173.62, hosted by ukfast in Manchester. You can get to https://78.109.173.62 to verify the SSL certificate on that server.
Anon

Unfortunately, I’ll bet they look at this like little ankle biting internet users are throwing a temper-tantrum.

Protests do nothing. Hurting their online business? Not much. It’s not like they can’t have a backup plan. Plus, damaging the property of others isn’t how you protest. That’s breaking the law.

But, I understand the reason and if that’s the only card you guys can play, then I say… moar lazers.

I just don’t expect it to accomplish anything.
Anonymous

“I just don’t expect it to accomplish anything.”

You are wrong. By preventing the corporate parasites from using internet we can really bring them down. Time will tell. You will see.

We should continue to hit them more then offer them to surrender.

An the pirate bay is still standing.
Anon this.

I’ll be honest.

You all come across like a bunch of freetards throwing a tantrum that you’re not allowed to take from society without contributing.

I don’t like the methodologies, the dodgy evidence, the speculative invoicing. But DDoS is fucking lame, the resort of the 12 year old banned from IRC who has no other means of retort than to try and break things and can cause a lot of collateral damage (or it would, if you weren’t only all so useless at DDoS that you don’t seem to be able to fill a mere 100meg pipe).

You want change? Start talking sense, start offering alternatives that work rather than just screaming that it’s not fair that you can’t download for free while others support the mechanism that allows artists to produce and distribute music – whether you like it or not, that’s going to cost money – whether a record label does it or the artist does it. Organise a pressure group and talk to your elected representatives – many think ACS and their ilk are shady as all hell too. Use that to your advantage – align yourself with the allies you can find.

The last MoS release I looked at was DRM free, and people who bought online at – yes – the same price as the store version got more for their money by getting all the singles as well as the mixes. They offer WAV versions. They’re relatively progressive, but they’re still entitled to protect their business in the same way that countries are entitled to protect their sovereignty. If you want to take without giving then you have to take the risk that eventually that’ll bite you in the ass.

One thing I have seen absolutely nothing on: Has anyone ever received a letter from GM? How do you know they were going to be using the speculative invoicing model? The only people I have seen any information on is ACS:Law, and they had shady customers because they were themselves shady. I have yet to see a shred of evidence that MoS were going to use GM in the same way as ACS:Law have been, but let’s not let the curious evidence-shaped hole in all of this put us off, eh?

All this does is show how shit most people’s webhosting (and/or the coding of their site) is, and strengthen the position of the people you are attacking who paint you as freetards.

I have to thank you for raising the profile of DDoS though; perhaps with your lashing out you’ll help to accelerate the process and we’ll finally get some laws that enable Internet businesses to be protected against blackmail, organised crime, and jilted teenagers online. Now that really is a result.
Anonymous

@02784778

Explain to me – using anything that could even remotely be considered fact, reason, or logic – how the Ministry of Sound doesn’t deserve to be attacked. They decided to hire Gallant-Macmillan to extort people on their behalf. It doesn’t matter whether or not GM lied to them about how successful the extortion would be. MoS took one look at the “speculative invoice” racket at thought to themselves, “We want in!”.

According to you, only the hitman should be attacked and the person who hired him should get away with it scot free.

@albert camus

If you were “posting in support of independent musicians and against piracy” and it got deleting, then your comment was most likely a load of trolling crap. Your line about both sides being equally bad suggests this.

Or maybe it got automatically flagged for moderation, which appears to happen at random, and it hasn’t been noticed by the moderator yet which means you’re drama-queening about nothing.

I LOL at you either way.
Freedom

@99 Agreed!

I suggest everyone of you go read George Orwell’s “1984″, if you havent already. Wonderful author and fascinating novel! If you want to avoid experiencing the lives of the main characters in that novel, then you will surely have to start fighting for freedom early on.
albert camus

Grow up a bit tbh
Anonymous

@Anon

You don’t expect it to accomplish anything!? Are you from another planet?

Operation Payback has already destroyed ACS:Law and may put into motion laws that ban the whole legalised filesharing blackmail racket in the UK.

It did all that while people like you were saying script-kiddes going on a DDoS rampage wouldn’t accomplish a damn thing.

How can you still dismiss it when in a few short days it’s gotten more results against the copyight cartel than politicians, lawmakers, and entire governments have?

I’ve always suspected that most of the cries of “WE SHOULDN’T ‘HACK’ IN RETALIATION! IT’LL DO NOTHING!” were coming from industry plants who knew how effective it would be. Now, watching as some posters continue to act like Operation Payback is a pointless waste of time after it’s been proven that it very much isn’t, I’m pretty certain of this.
another anon

god I love ebing a part of this, about time we showed we the people can stand against the governments that think they control us
Anonymous

This is probably not the site you are looking for!
You attempted to reach 78.109.173.62, but instead you actually reached a server identifying itself as http://www.ministryofsound.com.

New IP confirmed.
Anonymous

“WE SHOULDN’T ‘HACK’ IN RETALIATION! IT’LL DO NOTHING!”

Retaliation and attack always do something.

Next we shall Ddos iTune.
anon

Don’t DDos apple random attacks will hurt the cause.

[img]http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/5595/loicmos.jpg[/img]
albert camus

“You all come across like a bunch of freetards throwing a tantrum that you’re not allowed to take from society without contributing.

I don’t like the methodologies, the dodgy evidence, the speculative invoicing. But DDoS is fucking lame, the resort of the 12 year old banned from IRC who has no other means of retort than to try and break things and can cause a lot of collateral damage (or it would, if you weren’t only all so useless at DDoS that you don’t seem to be able to fill a mere 100meg pipe).

You want change? Start talking sense, start offering alternatives that work rather than just screaming that it’s not fair that you can’t download for free while others support the mechanism that allows artists to produce and distribute music – whether you like it or not, that’s going to cost money – whether a record label does it or the artist does it. Organise a pressure group and talk to your elected representatives – many think ACS and their ilk are shady as all hell too. Use that to your advantage – align yourself with the allies you can find.

The last MoS release I looked at was DRM free, and people who bought online at – yes – the same price as the store version got more for their money by getting all the singles as well as the mixes. They offer WAV versions. They’re relatively progressive, but they’re still entitled to protect their business in the same way that countries are entitled to protect their sovereignty. If you want to take without giving then you have to take the risk that eventually that’ll bite you in the ass.

One thing I have seen absolutely nothing on: Has anyone ever received a letter from GM? How do you know they were going to be using the speculative invoicing model? The only people I have seen any information on is ACS:Law, and they had shady customers because they were themselves shady. I have yet to see a shred of evidence that MoS were going to use GM in the same way as ACS:Law have been, but let’s not let the curious evidence-shaped hole in all of this put us off, eh?

All this does is show how shit most people’s webhosting (and/or the coding of their site) is, and strengthen the position of the people you are attacking who paint you as freetards.

I have to thank you for raising the profile of DDoS though; perhaps with your lashing out you’ll help to accelerate the process and we’ll finally get some laws that enable Internet businesses to be protected against blackmail, organised crime, and jilted teenagers online. Now that really is a result.”

The only intelligent post in this thread. I agree and applaud.
Anonymous

The connection has timed out

The server at http://www.ministryofsound.com is taking too long to respond

Mmm, seems the ministry is having problems at their new address, all I can say is…

KEEP FIRING YOUR LASERS!!! :)
Anonymous.

@ 108

“they’re still entitled to protect their business in the same way that countries are entitled to protect their sovereignty.”

And by that same argument anyone is entitled to go and attempt to take possession by force.

If the attacker wins then they get to keep it.

Isn’t that how war and sovereignty works?

Isn’t that what countries do?
Anonymous.

Oh – And again at 108

Even if possession isn’t the aim, crippling or otherwise undermining or changing the regime by forceful methods is also acceptable by international standards.

Look around at what’s going on in the world. Most of the west is attacking somewhere right now with that exact aim.

Why is that ok and this not?
Anonymous

“Next we shall Ddos iTune.”

No.

They are not extorting money from, or frightening, innocent people.

Save this for the lawyers and their cronies who make money through speculative invoicing.

It’s not about “I want free product”, it’s about demonstrating that the methods used, and the laws that enable those methods, are broken and full of fail.
Anon

The point is that the Internet can connect consumer and musician directly, and cheaply, and with algorithms that know what you like, did I mention cheaply?
These industry groups are unnecessary, but rich old white people (I’m white) seem to think they’re uber important, but they’re not. The concept of using the web to make the music to customer process more efficient isn’t huge, email bypassed mail, netflix vs blockbuster, have you seen how many people use flickr? You think professional photographers are happy bout that? They just dont have a billion dollar lobby.
It’s just that the middlemen in this case are soooo damn entrenched.
Keep at it. They’re only real chance is to censor the whole Internet, but if they could I imagine they would have by now.
Anonymous

@Anon this.

You don’t like the methodologies, the dodgy evidence, the speculative invoicing.

Yet apparently you’re mad that DDoS attacks are helping to put an end to the methodologies, the dodgy evidence, the speculative invoicing.

Nice logic. Not self-contradictory at all.

I suspect you work for the copyright cartel, most likely Ministry of Sound considering your stirring defence of it. Why else would you call on people to stop the attacks just when the attacks are WORKING and getting some serious results?

@Anon this.
“You want change? Start talking sense, start offering alternatives that work”

Hahahahahahahahaha. You want people to quit doing things that are leading to change, right now, for real, and instead start doing things that won’t lead to any change at all.

Yeah. Good plan.

You want Operation Payback to end because it’s getting things done. You’d rather have people return to cheap talk that gets us all nowhere. Your message is to stop fighting back because fighting back is working.

@Anon this.
“MoS”

Ministry of Sound can go kill themselves. They are and will be held responsible for hiring Gallant-Macmillan to terrorize people with pay-up-or-else legal threats.

@Anon this.
“They’re relatively progressive, but they’re still entitled to protect their business in the same way that countries are entitled to protect their sovereignty.”

Sorry, but MoS isn’t entitled to protect their business by hiring guttertrash thugs running an extortion scheme. Try again.

@Anon this.
“One thing I have seen absolutely nothing on: Has anyone ever received a letter from GM?”

GM does the exact same thing as ACS:Law and you know it. It’s on the front page of Torrentfreak, it’s on Slyck, it’s in the leaked emails. Keep playing dumb, though.

@Anon this.
“All this does is … strengthen the position of the people you are attacking who paint you as freetards.”

“Don’t fight back, it only strengthens your enemy’s position! You fools, don’t you know it’s better to do nothing! Think of your IMAGE! Sure, Operation Payback is an epic success… And yeah, you’re pounding your enemies into the dirt… But don’t you think it’s making you LOOK BAD? You should cease your attack at once and go back to being ineffectual! Now *that’ll* make you look like good, respectable adults!”

@Anon this.
“I have to thank you for raising the profile of DDoS though; perhaps with your lashing out you’ll help to accelerate the process and we’ll finally get some laws that enable Internet businesses to be protected against blackmail, organised crime, and jilted teenagers online.”

Thanks to Operation Payback’s “lashing out”, the UK will likly be getting some new laws soon that enable Internet users to be protected against blackmail, organized crime, and jilted copyright industry executives.

You’re trying, desperately, to spin victory into defeat any way you can think of. But I’m afraid you aren’t fooling anyone.

I have nothing more to add. Now let me just close by saying that you, sir, are a weasel’s precum. Thank you. :D
Anon this

Oh woo. A personal attack. Perhaps next you’ll start crank calling me, and order a hundred pizzas to my house, and the other highly intellectual forms of educated debate favoured by this ‘operation’ and others like it.

The attacks are themselves not achieving anything other than lining the pockets of companies and consultants who protect against them, and justifying people’s opinions of you as a bunch of spoiled kids. The longer this goes on the more you risk completely undermining any shred of legitimacy you originally had.

If you can’t see how you’re strengthening the case against yourselves, then you’re foolish, short-sighted, and ahistorical. The fact someone fucked up and posted a backup of the acs:law account into the webroot (and that acs:law left their mail on the server) is not a function of the attack but a blind stroke of luck in favour of your cause.

For the record – I do not work in the music industry at all. I do not have a commercial relationship with MoS, or any of the other parties that the puppet masters of this horde have deigned to attack.

My job involves working at and with ISPs dealing with thwarting attempts to take people and businesses offline (many of whom have committed no crimes moral or legal against anyone), and placating those caught in the collateral damage in the instances where attacks have outweighed our ability to handle them in the short term (e.g.: real attacks, from real botnets, from real criminals), and it fucks me off that you actually think this is a sensible or defensible route of action to take, quite apart from the debate itself.

You think that talk is cheap because like others before you you’ve done everything you can to avoid sensible action because that requires actual effort beyond downloading an application and pushing a button.

I still haven’t seen any actual proof of GM’s plan regarding the request they made on their client’s behalf, or any information on people receiving ‘speculative invoicing’ threats from them.

You’re taking the conclusions/assertions that a few people have made which have since been sycophantically rebroadcast by sites like TF and Slyck without question – and who are unarguably biased in the favour of your cause – and presenting that as fact – you’re hardly transcending the tactics of the people you’re out to get.

You’re tromping about as if you are trying to right some inarguable wrong, targeting anyone who you feel is even vaguely related to the cause – the fact that the speculative invoicing tack taken by these firms is at best ill-advised and at worst, yes – criminal in of itself – has been seized upon as a justification for people looking to defend their self-asserted right to essentially steal in the first instance – even if they protest that they will later buy the material they like.

If you like the single, buy the single. Preview the rest of the album on one of the many sites that let you do so. And then, yes, you’re going to have to take a calculated punt on supporting an act you feel deserves it.

I suppose you’ll all start stealing petrol next on the basis that it’s produced and shilled by evil megalomaniacal corporations that exploit third world nations, put the ecological balance of the world at risk, and generally act entirely in their own self interest. Perhaps you’ll stop buying mobile phones, computers, a large slice of clothing brands, and a whole heap of other crap you ‘need’ in your life on a daily basis on the same reasoning. This has nothing to do with what’s ‘right’ – the moral reasoning of the crusade just conveniently ties in with what you want to achieve – the right to reproduce other’s work for free. If you want to pick a fight based on moral grounds there are much worthier causes that demand your attention, but you might have to get off your ass to contribute.

You could always stop listening to music altogether, if you don’t want to support the mechanism that enables it, or you could serve the people you seek to crusade on behalf of who have been wrongly accused and continue to educate people so that they are not ignorant of their right to defend themselves (which is all that’s being exploited here – no one is emptying these people’s wallets at gun point – this is an education issue).

No, fuck it, let’s just DDoS people. It doesn’t require skill, effort, and someone else is telling you(r machine) what to do. What a great expression of free will this all is.
Stan.

“No, fuck it, let’s just DDoS people. It doesn’t require skill, effort, and someone else is telling you(r machine) what to do. What a great expression of free will this all is.”

Who started the ddos- ing campaign in the first place?

A corporate lacky firm from India!

Stop trying to play the the victim card, you buggers started this war.
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Anon this

If you’ll bother to read rather than jump to conclusions based on your apparent TL;DR approach:

I DO NOT WORK IN THE MUSIC OR MOVIE INDUSTRY. I have better things to do.

DDoS IS LAME. The Internet’s equivalent to a temper tantrum.

War? lolz.

Alright? Alright.
Champ

Who said anarchy isn’t order? An anarchical system is attacking in an organized manner with a specific purpose!

Anarchy FTW!

We can make our own rules!
me

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/11484113

The ministry speaks out!
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Whatever

New headline:
“ministryofsound censors their facebook page”

See:

http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=52618

It seems they don’t want anyone to know about it.
Anonymouss

FOR GREAT JUSTICE!
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Stan.

@Anon this,

You aren’t fooling me or my granny.

You are an apologist for the corporatists because you truly believe there is a level playing field and that the corporatists will allow one.

How naïve you are if that’s what you believe.

Those people will have your pants down around you ankles at any opportunity: they don’t care about honesty, loyalty or honour.

They simply want your money and think they have a right to take it, even before you have earned it.

Wise up mate.:-)
Freddy

#28 Itunes takes 50% not 97%. My brother makes and releases his own music and he gets half of the sales price.
Freddy

Re: anarchy. The wild west had very few murders per capita compared to now… UN studies show severity of laws in various countries have no relation to the amount of crime committed, cultural factors seem to be the only correlation. human nature is to share and be social (see evolution, survival of the fittest)
LMG

#132 Freddy said:
“#28 Itunes takes 50% not 97%. My brother makes and releases his own music and he gets half of the sales price.”

Perhaps that is true if you make and release your own music, BUT if you are going through a label, the record company takes the lion share first, leaving little-to-nothing to the actual artists that created it.
anon

As much as I appreciate this cyber action, I don’t see it lasting.

These attacks are becoming really popular these days.

The establishment will likely rewrite the entire internet, to prevent DDOS from being technically possible.

If that happens, you’re going to need more than cyber DDOS. You’re going to need to storm the government buildings.
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FIRE! FIRE! FIRE!
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Joined the fray. Load the laz0rs and batton down the hatches me hardies! ITS GOING TO GET UGLY!
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