leak of MediaDefender's emails caused quite some controversy, Ironically, in a recently leaked phone call, a New York attorney and MediaDefender discuss the security of their email-server. Whilst there is some initial confusion as to where the leak may have originated, they eventually write it off as some technical problem." />

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MediaDefender Phone Call and Gnutella Tracking Database Leaked

The leak of MediaDefender’s emails caused quite some controversy, Ironically, in a recently leaked phone call, a New York attorney and MediaDefender discuss the security of their email-server. Whilst there is some initial confusion as to where the leak may have originated, they eventually write it off as some technical problem.

The leaked phone call shows that they are unsure about their network protection, their IDS etc. One of the parties is on a VOIP connection which may explain how the leak was obtained.

Similar to the e-mail leak, a group called “MediaDefender-Defenders” released the file, and in the .nfo file we read:

MediaDefender-Defenders proudly presents some more internal MediaDefender stuff… more will follow when time is ready. MediaDefender thinks they’ve shut out their internals from us. Thats what they think.

The subject of the call is rather serious. MediaDefender is apparently involved in an ongoing Child Porn investigation. Their job is to identify child-porn images and report the IPs of the offending computers back to the government. A tricky project since it would mean that they actually have to download and rate the illegal content.

This wont be the end of the leaks according to the “MediaDefender-Defenders”, they claim that more will follow when time is ready.

In addition the the phone call, a huge MySQL database dump from a MediaDefender server was leaked on BitTorrent as well. The database shows tracking and decoy file information for the Gnutella network which is used by P2P clients such as LimeWire.

All this leaked information is a huge blow for MediaDefender, and it will undoubtedly cost them a lot of time and money to clean this up. Interestingly, no evidence can be found that MediaDefender is actually involved in prosecuting or gathering evidence against filesharers (as we reported earlier). Their core business is releasing fake files and polluting the filesharing networks.

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  • Tazer

    How sad. :-(

    Buy some firewalls or something already, sheesh. lol

  • jpeg

    hahahaha re pwned

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  • F-the-riaa

    What a laugh! This has got to be one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard.

  • diznam

    Man, whoever’s doing these guys over – they’re doing them left, right, up, down, sideways, dressing them up in the french maid’s outfit, spanking them and making them scream ‘Papi’.

    Only in public.

    Seroiusly, mad props to that person.

  • F-the-riaa

    I don’t think these guys are even tracking this yet. While running PeerGuardian, the only banned I.P.’s that have come up so far are

    Euroaccess(Anti-p2p)
    Chaos Computer Club
    CHINANET

    I love it! Chinanet is trying to download this torrent also. Pretty soon we’ll see this stuff burned onto CD and offered for sale on Ebay. It’s great!

  • Ak

    Hahaha.

    Holy shit. again!

  • santa

    “more will follow when time is ready” – I cant wait

    Its certainly not going to be a ‘mundane monday’ at the MD office this week!

  • linux_user

    i lol’d

  • Hamster
  • Anonyslimez

    Bye bye retards! What a sad attempt at security and trying to prevent P2P file sharing.

  • Noby

    There is a transcript of the phonecall available. Just check out the Digg-comments (by JB55).

  • Santa’s Elf

    ROFL @ comment 7

  • alkdevil

    where’s the torrent for the mysql dump? links, anyone?

  • I9sm

    [quote comment="166679"]Man, whoever’s doing these guys over – they’re doing them left, right, up, down, sideways, dressing them up in the french maid’s outfit, spanking them and making them scream ‘Papi’.

    Only in public.

    Seroiusly, mad props to that person.[/quote]

    That has to be the funniest thing I’ve heard all week! :P

  • Timbob

    alkdevil: Search for it.

  • enter

    is there some “this IP searched for this stuff” in the mysql db?

    for the db look in google for Gnutella.Tracking.Database.Leak

  • rarbytes

    sounds like an old phone call to me.. that last guy said “have a good long weekend” and this weekend isn’t one afaik

  • Cartman

    Let’s hope this public outing doesn’t affect the CP investigations. No one likes a paedo/pedo.

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  • Kenny

    Given the time of the leak and some other hints in the call ( such as Jay’s absense until Tuesday, and the “long weekend”) it sounds like the call took place on August 12, or pre-email leaks in any case.

    What I wonder: Does it really take more than a month to implement PGP encryption?

  • elgoog

    [quote comment="166732"]Given the time of the leak and some other hints in the call ( such as Jay’s absense until Tuesday, and the “long weekend”) it sounds like the call took place on August 12, or pre-email leaks in any case.

    What I wonder: Does it really take more than a month to implement PGP encryption?[/quote]

    Well, I don’t think it matters as long as an employee decides to copy his entire in (out?) box to his gmail account….

  • aphexacid

    This is so god damned hilarious. they’re talking about what to do to secure their emails, and the possibility of calling each other to communicate the new passwords over the phone so they dont get intercepted, meanwhile this very conversation has been intercepted.

    wow.

  • FCKGW

    Yeah total corpsehump on MD. Check out the Slyck forums, someone over there did a decent reconstruction of the probable date and said it was likely an August 30 call.

  • Flep McGlep

    [quote comment="166742"]Yeah total corpsehump on MD. Check out the Slyck forums, someone over there did a decent reconstruction of the probable date and said it was likely an August 30 call.[/quote]

    Link to this?

    Seems unlikely they’d be preparing for a long weekend on a Sunday, though.

  • Hamster

    August 30th was a Thursday -.-

  • Norm

    Looks like MDD got this by dialing in to the conference call using a phone# and password obtained from the hacked e-mails.

  • Jesus

    Hahaha they got owned again! This is so great!! Fscking assclowns at MD deserve every bit of this!

    After reasing the emails it is obvious that the people at Media Defender are complete idiots. The RIAA and MPAA were throwing money away when they hired these clowns.

    After several examples were made out of file sharers in court, finally one of the attack dog companies gets an example made out of them – what happens when you screw with hackers. Haha I love it!

  • LOL

    AGAIN and MORE to COME LOLOL OMG THIS is GREAT

  • Jonas

    I like how the MDD guys silently waited for 9 full months before leaking the mails and exposing the flaw. They know what they’re doing at least.

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  • LMAO!!

    Is it just me or does anyone else think that media defender (in this case) is doing the world a favour here, I mean they are trying to pull child porn off the net, maybe this one case was better off NOT leaked..give us something else to make fun of them with and leave the child pornographers none the wiser to the situation at hand ..

  • LMAO!!??

    Looks like LMAO!! from post 29 might be a clown from MD?

  • Dimagus

    [quote comment="166781"]Is it just me or does anyone else think that media defender (in this case) is doing the world a favour here, I mean they are trying to pull child porn off the net, maybe this one case was better off NOT leaked..give us something else to make fun of them with and leave the child pornographers none the wiser to the situation at hand ..[/quote]

    Or it could be a cleverly disguised ruse by Media Defender to satisfy their own need for child porn and animal sex. By their own admission in several emails they decieving clients, that could just be another one.

    Leave the real legal work to professionals, these guys are just basement wannabe hackers employeed by entertainment cartel who try to legitamize what is clearly illegal activities.

  • Astin Martin

    Swedish ip= the piratebay maybe?

  • Jim

    Maybe these guys are not that bad… except for the fake files. What I mean is they are doing some stuff which is Good and not Evil.

    According to the post -
    “Interestingly, no evidence can be found that MediaDefender is actually involved in prosecuting or gathering evidence against filesharers (as we reported earlier). Their core business is releasing fake files and polluting the filesharing networks.”

  • SilverSurfer

    And the hits just keep on coming for the assclowns at MediaDefender…how you like us now you chumps?? Newsflash: there are more of us than there are of you fuckwits and no matter what you do or how far ahead you think you are, the rest of us are a thousand steps and then some beyond you. Give it up. Close down your little office and get *real* jobs. PS: Don’t bother applying for anything in security. It seems it’s not one of your strengths.

  • -=ShoguN=-

    SecuROM, you’re next! You’ve been warned.

  • Nicolasavru

    [quote comment="166806"]Maybe these guys are not that bad… except for the fake files. What I mean is they are doing some stuff which is Good and not Evil.

    According to the post -
    “Interestingly, no evidence can be found that MediaDefender is actually involved in prosecuting or gathering evidence against filesharers (as we reported earlier). Their core business is releasing fake files and polluting the filesharing networks.”[/quote]

    Ironic that this leak actually improved their public image to a (very very little) extent. We (rightly in most cases) assumed that the negative aspects of their operations were true (miivi for example), but we didn’t know about any of their positive work (as little of it as their is).

    Disclaimer: I hate the MPAA/RIAA abd Media Defender as much (if not more) than the next person. I am simply trying to, as the saying goes, find the silver lining in the cloud. I would still love nothing more than for the company and the media cartels to burn.

  • BillyBobThornton

    Why are we cheering that NY’s child porn detection has just taken a massive hit? MD suck big time but pedos suck more. This particular conversation didn’t need to be made public. Sending it to the AG’s office would have been a good idea, so they know the company they’re dealing with has shit security, but releasing it onto the net so pedophiles have the inside scoop is not good.

  • Jesus

    Catching pedos is probably just an excuse to monitor file sharers and bust people for copyright infringement. Any way you look at it they are trying to violate our privacy at every turn, and MD got what was coming to them.

    Ernesto – are you getting any contact from MD about this? It would be interesting to hear what they are saying :}

  • RijilV

    hey does anyone have a link to the MySQL dump torrent?

  • Jackson

    Child Porn? Why the hell should MediaDefender be allowed to collect child porn? That’s the police’s job. If the police aren’t capable of investigating this and need to outsource it (assuming that even happened), then they should hire their own people to do that too. Police don’t “outsource” murder, rape or embezzlement. They definitely shouldn’t be outsourcing kiddie porn either: That would just provide a legimate defense for pedophiles working under the cover of Media Defender.

    Otherwise any Tom, Dick or Harry could download child porn and claim they’re ‘collecting and rating’ it. Pete Townshend claimed a similar defense when kiddie porn was found on his PC and the judge didn’t buy that either. Kiddie porn is the lowest of the low. If Media Defender have been collecting this stuff, throw them into jail.

  • system

    To me, it seems the paedo stuff was thrown into the conversation as a possible distraction.

    The conversation at that point just seems too scripted to scare away anyone who’s listening in.
    There really is no need otherwise to use so many words to describe the investigation, as both sides know exactly what the investigation is.

    I could be wrong though, maybe the AG really did hire a company to bring legally questionable “evidence” into a case against paedos.
    Maybe MD even released some kiddy porn with beeps and static in the soundtrack :lol:

    I just don’t see how they would make the jump from trained law enforcement officers scanning the net for this kind of thing, to a private company specialised in putting out fakes.

  • mimi089

    haha this is hilarious! POW right in the kisser…again!

    i’m not really happy that this has busted their child porn actions though…i hope at least that won’t go down the drain.

  • Nicolasavru

    [quote comment="166866"]hey does anyone have a link to the MySQL dump torrent?[/quote]

    Not sure of torrentfreak’s policy on torrent links, so I will simply say search for “gnutella.tracking” (no quotes) on piratebay.

  • ColdFission

    Once again, pwned. I really can’t believe that all of this is happening.

    Kudos to MD-Ders.

  • CPhater

    Since MD isn’t operating in NY could not somebody inform now the authorities in their state that they are housing CP on their servers big time?!

  • The Profit

    They got what they deserved
    if they are supposed to be trying to catch pedophiles, why are they trying to sabatoge the p2p networks?
    how is uploading a torrent of say the simpsons movie gonna stop child porn? (and dont tell me that scene of bart counts)

    also the name media defenders, sounds like a bad super hero team
    not to mention their supposed “media” is child porn.
    so does that mean they are defending child porn?
    and that people that are supposed to uphold the law are in bed with them?

  • RijilV

    ah thanks :)

  • Santa’s Elf

    BTW.. there were no SSN in the emails

    I checked them

  • snuffalupaguss

    So they’re all making it up. Oh…did you check the attachments?

  • snuffalupaguss

    [quote comment="166942"]So they’re all making it up. Oh…did you check the attachments?[/quote]

    Nice checking, elf.

  • P2Per

    Perhaps the real aim is to throw mud and link, in the public’s mind and the press, child porn to P2P use/users?

  • law suits man, law suits..

    a private company, as shady as MD handling CP.. just sick, completely sick.. i cant count on one hand how many countries their ways of working is criminal..

  • 2600

    Now why would someone from Universal Music be interested in child porn on newsgroups.

    yes

    From: Randy Saaf [mailto:randy@mediadefender.com]
    Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 5:06 PM
    To: Benjamin, David
    Cc: Ben Grodsky; Jay Mairs
    Subject: FW: newsgroups

    David:

    There looks like there is a fair amount. Is this a play at ISP liability?

    R

    From: Ben Grodsky
    Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 1:04 PM
    To: Randy Saaf; leaks
    Cc: Jay Mairs
    Subject: RE: newsgroups

    yes. loads of it. and loads of other illegal type content that David might also be wondering about.

    From: Randy Saaf
    Sent: Mon 11-Jun-07 12:57
    To: leaks
    Cc: Jay Mairs
    Subject: Fw: newsgroups

    Without downloading, can anyone tell me if there is kiddie porn on news groups?

    —– Original Message —–
    From: Benjamin, David
    To: Randy Saaf; Octavio Herrera
    Sent: Mon Jun 11 12:42:39 2007
    Subject: newsgroups

    is there kiddie porn on newsgroups

  • CPhater

    @2600
    So do you think that this label guy is now happy that he and the MD guys can watch all the CP legally since the NY AG allowed MD to downlaod al the sick shit for them?
    Thats disgusting that these non lawenforcement guys can now watch this shit legally.
    As I asked; Can’t the authorites in California bust MD for willfully downloading and viewing all this shit?

    I mean if I were a pedophile pervert, thats the best thing i would want to archive, Get a (stupid?) AG in NY to allow me to download all the shit for them, view it, have my perverted fun with the stuff and probably even get payed with NY taxpayers money for this perverted shit.
    Has the AG background checked MD and their staff if there aren’t working any known sexoffenders in that company?

  • Core-TX

    They are interested in kiddy porn, for marketing reasons.

    People HATE pedo’s so it’s good for their immage.

    But they do not realize, that takeing existing kiddy pron offline will make it scarce, which will result in higher prices, and make people rape more children for the money.
    If they would REALLY care, they would try and find the producers of the kiddy pron, instead of the people of share it for free.

  • zombielove

    Hahaha. This is so awesome.
    It’s like being in some mid 90s hacker movie.

    Too bad these guys are just a bunch of bumbling idiots.

    I want to see some leaked RIAA e-mails.

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  • Ap0c

    This is just awesome, and from reading the transcript, that “interferance” they experienced was probably the guy recording the phone call trying to hold back the laughter.

    I’m sure that no state would be dumb enough to actually hand off licenses to companys so they can freely browse child porn and report back on it, could they?… Just seems very sketchy to me.

    And I can’t wait for the next batch of releases, hell I’d love to see the emails and phone calls from today when mr.shit, meets mr.fan ^^

  • Jim

    This is just terrific lol …
    Now go and drown in your shite little scumbags!!
    Props to the ones behind the leak, respect!

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  • Core-TX

    I think that the “leaked phone call” is fake, since they are useing it for “repairing” the damage done to the name MediaDefender. And their bizz, in general.

    It’s just their respons to the leaked mails.

  • Noby

    Well, I don’t think so. I don’t see how the phone call would “repair” any damage done. Especially since they (MD) get wobbly every time the AGs office goes into technical details (best part when MD pulls the “I can’t hear you” stunt). They don’t seem to be very competent.

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  • Blake

    Well well Media Defender got Pwn3D Again…

  • %20

    I still would love to hear the files these interdicters are creating. Plus it would be nice for the artists to maybe hear what has been done to their so called music. If the files we’re made publicly available, the actions of these organizations might be more highly questioned. I’ve been hosting them since 2003: http://noneinc.com/RIAAEM/RIAABlog.html
    Always wanting to hear more.

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  • WASD

    lol @ MD. they are a a bunch of amateurs.

    and wow.. some people feel sympathy for MD because they are removing child porn.

    they are tracking child porn because they are PAID to do it, not becasue they WANTED to. anyone would gladly take on that job is you pay them. i bet MD would even suck dick if you pay them enough.

    it is the govtments job do remove kiddie porn, they have more resources and authority to do it. and they have more competence .

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  • system

    The email entitled “Flowchart” sent from Ben Grodsky to Michael McCartney seems to indicate it is a CP investigation.

    The diagram shows MD collects data on searches and sends it to the AGs office where it is downloaded by them.
    Two parts are labelled “NY CP Downloader” and “CP DB”.

    Slightly worrying is this, in an email sent from Bradley Bartram to Jay@MD:
    [quote]On your end, the peer-to-peer crawler will be identifying files matching the established search criteria from various hosts. This data will then be collected, filtered for New York resident ip addresses (to the accuracy limits imposed by geo-query tech). The data will then be transferred to us[/quote]
    Even though the MD crawler will be looking for CP across the whole network, they are only interested in the results for NY residents.

    The least they could do is hand off any results not related to NY residents to the relevant agencies, but I guess MD want to hang on to that info till they can make more money from it.

  • Hamster

    Some script-kiddie (Jay Mairs?) just tried to flood the shit out of MDD’s irc channel with links to MD’s site and shit. To no avail. :)

  • Kalief

    “no evidence can be found that MediaDefender is actually involved in prosecuting or gathering evidence against filesharers”

    In the mailcollection I came across a mail to Paramount containing 4 ip’s with location data, reporting them as sharers of some movie. I think all four where in the USA.

  • Flep McGlep

    [quote comment="167122"]Well, I don’t think so. I don’t see how the phone call would “repair” any damage done. Especially since they (MD) get wobbly every time the AGs office goes into technical details (best part when MD pulls the “I can’t hear you” stunt). They don’t seem to be very competent.[/quote]

    I don’t think this could possibly be damage control. You can hear MD saying, “There’s nothing to say it was us and not you.” Well, we know different now.

    I do agree that it was hilarious to hear them fumble the technical questions. When the AG asked, “What kind of IDS are you guys running,” I could almost hear MD thinking, “What in the hell is IDS?”

  • Noby

    @Flep McGlep:

    I was refering to Core-TX’s assumption (which I don’t share), that this leak was damage control by MD.

  • Ed

    It’s not because they were on a VOIP connection. The recording was clearly made at the MediaDefender end – you could always hear the MediaDefender guy while the other people got cut off…

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  • Duckmonster

    Ahem.

    As someone who actually has worked in justice, in fact doing precisely the ‘catching paedos’ thing, I’m bamboozled as to why the government is hiring clowns like this.

    Any indication that these guys are up to no good, is going to poison any case that is based on what these guys say (Granted that ‘leaked’ emails/wiretaps are probably not admissable in court, even for character purposes). But this is the thing. THATS WHY WE TRAIN COPS. Not fucking private wanna be james bonds.

    Somethings incredibly fucking fishy about all this. Spider sense tingling and all that.

    Or maybe you guys do things differently in America. *shrug*

    Question for the net detectives among you: Are these guys Licenced to operate as Private Investigators? I’m not American , so I don’t know the rules there, but over here you need a license to go stalking folks for cash.

  • Dipshit

    If all they do is deploy decoy files and pollute p2p…. in what way is this “fighting” pedos?

    They don’t collect evidence and aren’t involved in prosecution….so WTF?

    Sound like bullshit to me…. anyway if the powers REALLY wanted to get the pedos, they could… the same way the get the filesharers… nobody cares about procecuting pedos because they aren’t “stealing” copyrighted material, it’s all just a fucking big smokescreen.

  • blah

    another flood
    god they suck.

  • Someone

    Some basic analysis of the MySQL-Dump regarding the fake uploads:

    http://jrwr.hopto.org/mediadefender_decoy_upload_statistics.txt

  • austraegt

    serious blow indeed! thou unfortunately i doubt that they’re going to just disappear.. 700mb worth of email is hardly everything in the span of 6 mos.. esp when they’re mostly tickets anyway and something about moldy fridge lol :D

  • Esteban

    No word from MD yet?
    No official statement?

  • Dimagus

    “Received: from [206.190.53.136] by web63815.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 23:46:53 PDT
    X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.50 YahooMailWebService/0.7.134
    Sender: jon yards
    Subject: mediadefender

    I am the CEO of MediaDefender. We have begun our civil and criminal investigations into the stolen emails from our company. We are meeting with the FBI on monday. Your IP address has been logged. I hope it was worth the thrill.”

    Because allegedly having an IP address reveals exactly whodunit, right? I hope they intend to provide evidence of the emails, so the FBI can handcuff them on the spot.

  • blobman

    HAHAHA! I think thats the end of media defender!

    Someone has any informations about that company http://www.evidenzia.de ???

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  • MNG

    MD’s core business is what called in the business: interdictions or countermeasures (spoofs, broken files, and the like); which by US anti-trust law, trade associations such as the MPAA & RIAA cannot and do not particpate. Interdictions are considered “self-help” measures which only the actual copyrightholder can be contracted directly by oufits like MediaDefende to carryout. No rightsholder will publicaly admit in any specific detail about their relationship with the MDs of the world, which leads to mad speculation on boards such as this.

    IMHO, this event will not seriously damage MDs business, because they are one of a handfull of firms that actually makes a business out of it. They will probably have to explain the egg on their face and their competitiors will likely use it as FUD to win a project here or there. Nevetheless, the train will keep on running, no matter how much you love or hate them.

    As far as the pedo stuff, perhaps a new line of business to drive growth, this is capitalism afterall. But because of some of the relationships they must carry in CP world, i don’t see MP as the lead on the evidence and investigation side.

  • Matt

    link to mdd’s irc?

  • Gringo Chapin

    When I first read about this, I was, like many of you, disappointed that a pedo investigation by NY had probably been completely derailed. However, while I do think there will be some short term harm from this leak, I also believe we’ll be much better off in the long run. Perhaps the government will learn from this. Perhaps they will try to actually hire someone who knows what they’re doing instead of a pack of bumbling idiots who have no clew what security means.

    This is serious crap! The government should not be hiring some moronic group of script kitties to handle their evidence gathering.

    “Hmmm… Maybe we should setup PGP and a vpn instead of sending all this stuff in the clear.”

    “Nah. They got our email once, but it can’t happen again. Even though we seem to have no idea how it happened, we’re perfectly safe. We have no security holes.”

    Unbelievably stupid, and rather frightening. If they’re going to send people to prison for a long time (something which should happen to all pedos, or worse) the least they could do is use a tiny grain of care to maintain data integrity and security.

    The best part of that conversation was when MD tried to imply that maybe the leak wasn’t MDs fault, but maybe it happened on the AGs end. Very funny stuff.

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  • Утечка

    @76, wtf dude?? who the hell is jon yards? i know you’re just going with the crowd but at least do it right and don’t make stuff up.. everyone know who the people in the company are now!

    …unless someone from MD sent you that email and you actually believed it, then, HAHAHA ROFL!!!

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  • BoiNo

    [quote comment="167022"]They are interested in kiddy porn, for marketing reasons.

    People HATE pedo’s so it’s good for their immage.

    But they do not realize, that takeing existing kiddy pron offline will make it scarce, which will result in higher prices, and make people rape more children for the money.
    If they would REALLY care, they would try and find the producers of the kiddy pron, instead of the people of share it for free.[/quote]

    well,they are trying to find the seeders with the ip, if it ain’t all just a ruse to hate p2p people more.
    but personally, if i where gonna catch pedo and CP, then i would make that and the anti peer2peer program two separate programs. then the peer2peer people could maybe even help.. we can see how good info finders they are already..

    [quote comment="167120"]I think that the “leaked phone call” is fake, since they are useing it for “repairing” the damage done to the name MediaDefender. And their bizz, in general.

    It’s just their respons to the leaked mails.[/quote]

    that is actually not a bad idea. think about it. this could be a test to see how big the leak is… maybe releasing this one was a bad idea.. because the emails are out,and then it’s “nothing to loose”, right? or again, that can just be me. i do support pedo hunt, but not p2p hunt…

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  • K.

    Sorry, wrong url (damned copy and paste), you can view the phonecall here with a vid I made: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l53FaS5rmb8

  • Jim

    @ K
    Quality! lol …. keep ‘em coming …

  • Jesus

    Great video K, excellent work :)

  • Jimmy

    you realize, better than any leaks, would be contaminating their IP db?

    unless they regularly crc hash it and store them offsite, which with these guys… how likely? yeah. just go crazy. invalid ips. random corporate blocks as alloted by arin. 172.16, 192.168.. just poison the crap out of it.

  • blalbla

    Good job :)

  • *

    Regarding the date of the call:

    It sounds like MDD had access to Jay Mairs’s inbox and that is how MDD joined and recorded the conference call.

    If the above is true, then the e-mail in question would be this one:

    When: Friday, August 31, 2007 12:00 PM-12:00 PM (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada).
    Where: Conference Call

    *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

    Attendees: Ben Grodsky, Bradley Bartram, Jay Mairs and Michael McCartney
    Dial-In: 1-866-866-2244
    Participant Code: 3071173#

    The long weekend would be labor day weekend. I’m surprised no one pointed this out yet…

  • ironic3d

    While I was excited and thrilled about the news, I’m not anymore, in fact I can’t help being worried, especially after the defenders team released the recorded phone call with the Attorney General also posted in thePirateBay.

    While MediaFenders business was mostly about capturing and stopping ripped movies and such for rich business men, allot of their work involved in stopping Pedophiles, and for that to happen they need to have a tight case around him with secrecy, nothing can be compromised, With the Defenders exposing all their act and secret communications, every pedophile who was put behind bars based on evidence from Media Defenders can revoke the sentence and drop the charges against him and effectively get out of prison.

    It’s always great to play cops and robbers, but I don’t think for the opportunity to download the Simpson’s movie without consequences or paying a dime is a good enough reason to let such mother fuckers loose on the streets. The defenders showed what a great hackers they are, but not responsible.

    Cheers
    I3D

  • Ven

    Ummm … Ive been thru many of the emails but woh its a huge job for one person. Has anyone actually read anything in the emails regarding the alledged CP investigation? I mean, as far as I can tell the emails refer to movie torrents and there is no reference to CP at all. Though there are a couple of emails which discuss porn generally (which I didnt think was illegal anyway), none actually refer specifically to CP.

    I have serious doubts that MediaDefender are part of some legitimate CP investigation – and if they are (were) they werent gonna find pedos by uploading fakes of the latest movie torrents.

    Sounds more like their original bullshit that miivi was an internal project that should have been passworded … they simply trying to pull a bit more wool over the eyes of anyone left who might actually believe the rhetoric these guys spin.

  • Ven

    Sorry … make that fake movie, music, and software files …. but as I continue to search no emails regarding CP.

    Can anyone concur?

  • Dilla

    You won’t find many emails talking about the CP investigation, because it was a SECRET and ILLEGAL operation. Law enforcement should NEVER outsource those kinds of investigations to private companies, especially ones like Media Defender that are run by complete idiots.

  • Dimagus

    Slyck getting DoS attacked by MediaDefender @ 5:00PM EST? Or is their “Too many Connections” error a coincidence.

    In the discussion thread earlier today I recall a mention that some of the IPs for the DoS attack on MDD’s site were traced directly back to MD. That’s certainly a blatant criminal act with no attempt to conceal their guilt. Slyck might’ve been hit for the posters revealing this information.

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  • Anon

    Yes ther are mails about the CP too.
    Few of them are about the program on wich thei identify is the Pic CP or not (The Gui of the software). Than ther are the keywords and all that stuff.

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  • TLG

    Anyone want to send Ben a little email to see how he’s doing?

    Would be cool to have a shot of his home and have his phone number.

  • benoperaider

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    “Said I Loved You But I Lied” with this phone tap or whatever it’s called

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  • Wax Paper

    Hey, it’s what these sellouts deserve. Might be different if they were career law-enforcement or big-business, but these are young guys who used to be P2P users, then whored themselves out.

  • mediarebender

    I work in information security – networks, business processes, you name it. I have nothing to do with this case.

    The anti-child porn effort by the NY AG office is reasonable – there are privacy implications, but given that they’re simply downloading files made available on p2p networks, they’re within legal and moral norms, certainly as most people on this forum would see them. I hope their efforts continue, though I doubt they’ll ever have success enough to make any difference to child porn – that needs to be addressed at the root cause of demand.

    However, I deeply hope that they sever their relationship with MediaDefender and find a new partner for their effort. MD has demonstrated complete incompetence; aside from the leakage, the content of of their email and conversation displays only the barest grasp on what their actually doing, and the tone makes me want to slap them silly; if I got that from any supposed business professional I was working with I’d pretty much have to do just that.

    Certainly the p2p community has little to fear from these nitwits; alas, neither will the child porn community.

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  • Ball Sack

    A lot of people seem to be questioning the morality of posting the leaked phone call, but the way I see it, in them releasing this they prove MD’s network is in some way insecure. If MD are, as these phone calls claim, part of a criminal investigation then it would mean a hacker could potentially frame someone for downloading CP. By releasing this recording it should alert the Attorney’s office of this and hopefully their relationship will end and the Attorney’s office will find a more suitable and most probably effective solution.

    This does of course cast doubt into any cases MD have provided evidence for in the past.

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  • Chancla

    I was thinking about what someone had said earlier about the certainty of federal prosecution of CP producers if it were even really a priority.

    That in light of the lawsuits I’ve been reading about having been dealt to users DOWNLOADING stupid music files (not even uploading) really makes me violent.

    As Americans we can really be a bunch of lazy-a$$ whores sometimes.

    Where are we as a nation when the prosecution of citizens who sidestep mandatory support of a weak-a$$, decrepit and obnoxiously greedy business model takes priority over securing our own children’s a$$es against perverted exploitation? And because the former is more lucrative than the latter!

    A G0#-damned shame.

    If CP were handled with a fraction of the obsessive compulsion OJ or Anna Nicole saw I expect CP wouldn’t even be a problem anymore.

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