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Most Cyberlocker Uploaders Not Driven by Cash Rewards

Most people who upload files to cyberlockers make less than minimum wage from their activities according to researchers from Boston’s Northeastern University and Eurécom in France. The researchers analyzed the click rates at several link-sites, and conclude that the overall impact of affiliate programs on piracy may be overstated.

Last year the MPAA released a fact-sheet stating that the file-hosting business is “all about the money,” giving examples of sites that lure in uploaders by offering them lucrative sums of cash.

While it’s not really a secret that, like any business, cyberlockers are out to make a profit, a new study suggests that most of the people who upload pirated content to these sites have more altruistic motives.

Based on publicly available data, researchers from Boston’s Northeastern University and the French Eurécom analyzed how much uploaders of pirated content earn. They published their findings in a paper titled “Paying for Piracy? An Analysis of One-Click Hosters’ Controversial Reward Schemes.”

The research is the first to provide an estimate of how much revenue uploaders make through affiliate programs, and how much time they have to invest in return. The overall conclusion is, perhaps surprisingly, that the vast majority of uploaders are not money driven.

“While the potential earnings of a few uploaders are non-negligible, for most uploaders these amounts are so low that they cannot rationally explain profit-oriented behaviour,” the researchers write.

One of the sites that’s examined in the report is dpstream.net, dubbed by the researchers as France’s largest piracy-based streaming site. The researchers identified 585 uploaders during their crawl of the site, who together added a total of 11,026 links.

As is the case with most sites, only a small percentage of the uploaders take up most of the pie.

“From a global point of view, the income is concentrated on a few uploaders. For instance, the top four uploaders earn more than 30 % of the total income. The top 50 users receive almost 80 % of the total income and provide around 70 % of the links,” the researchers write.

However, that doesn’t mean that these top uploaders are cashing in. According to the researchers they only make a few dollars per day.

“With a site-wide daily payout of $ 32.70, the potential earnings of individual uploaders are surprisingly low: 60 % of the users post content that is worth less than one cent per day, and even the top uploader can earn only $5.26 per day.”

The researchers also looked at redlist-ultimate.be, another popular site in France, and one that was particularly useful because it reported the time uploaders spent on the site. Overall, redlist uploaders have a higher earning potential, but the numbers are far from staggering.

“The median income for the top 50 highest earning uploaders is $ 11.74 for a median of 1.6 hours spent logged in and 10 files posted each day. While this daily income would be worthwhile for an uploader based in a developing country, the vast majority of uploaders come from western countries, notably France,” the researchers write.

The top uploader on redlist earns a respectable $113.17 a day, but spends 8 hours to add an average of 200 files each day to come to this number. This is just above the current minimum legal wage of $12.50 per hour in France.

The researchers further used their data to see what the effect on content availability is should the top uploaders leave the sites in question. This is to simulate the discontinuation of affiliate programs, a decision many cyberlocker services took after the Megaupload shutdown.

Excluding the top 50 uploaders on redlist would remove 58.5% of all links, but only 39.7% of the content objects and just 21.7% of the traffic according to the report. Most of the missing links are relatively unpopular and the researchers conclude that the ecosystem isn’t harmed too much when financial incentives are removed.

“Discontinuation of the affiliate programmes would deprive profit-oriented pirates of their illegal income, but it seems that these programmes are not the main driving force behind One Click Hoster-based piracy,” they write.

“More generally, our findings suggest that the overall impact of the One Click Hosters’ affiliate programmes on piracy activities may be overstated: Most users upload content despite earning next to nothing.”

The report provides a unique insight into the revenue generated through some linking sites, but of course the ecosystem can’t possibly be summarized by looking at two or three sites. That said, the overall conclusion that cyberlocker uploaders aren’t all bathing in money is probably correct.

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  • Noone

    LOL, the numbers are completely bullshit. Everyone knows how much you can earn with the OCH reward systems. I know people earning more than $10k monthly just by easy Paypal payouts. I have seen their balances. I am really jealous about that, but this business is just too hot for me.

    • Guest

      Go fuck yourself, you dumbass piece of shit.

      • Guesticles

        It’s true what Noone is saying even if you don’t wanna hear it.

        • Guest

          Then it should be easy to refute this article with facts.

          Ready, set, GO

        • Techanon

          [citation needed]

          wheres the link to these balances?

    • Guest

      Noone is lying.

      If he isn’t then I welcome him to prove what he’s saying.

      Until then his comment is bullshit.

    • Guest

      You didn’t prove it wrong.

      • Guest

        The article speaks for itself

      • Tractor

        If all the uploaders would want to earn a lot of money,
        they wouldn’t use things like P2P programs,
        torrents and newsgroups to share their files.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      A handful of people doesn’t equate to ‘everyone’ and every single filelocker I know of drops people if they have even ONE infringement complaint that still has the ‘pay you to upload’ programs.

    • anon

      100% FALSE !! And it’s easy to proove. Just go on some webmasters forums and you’ll find that these uploaders dont even earn near 100$ a month most of the time !!

      And these uploaders are just stupid as fuck ! They think they can keep upload and getting money out of it, but the File-hosts are cancelling their account for “whatever the reason” LOL

      Uploaders for the money are really dumbass… Always crying like babies when their account gets banned…

    • Guest

      NOONE, you are a lying piece of shit. nobody makes that kind of money off this shit.

    • Milesinan

      Most people upload from time to time just to have few bucks for premium accounts – yes there are people earning much more but they are at most 5% of all uploaders – and they also as in any “busines” have expenses for servers , reuploading service premium accounts , scripts etc

    • Sick

      $10K PER MONTH LMFAO… if you are going to lie at least make it believable. Wow.

  • Edward Blackbeard Thatch

    no money in piracy! i shall park up my ship and go legit.

    • qwerty

      The only people making money off of piracy is the copyright trolls. Go figure.

      • 7th_Guest

        “Only people making money off of piracy are the copyright trolls”? Umm, hello? MPAA? RIAA? ESA? Ever heard of those rabid packs of vultures bribers goons lawyers?

  • Edward Blackbeard Thatch

    i’ll tell you what pisses me off, the paki at bovingdon market, who for years, has been selling knocked off dvd’s of the latest films. that kind of cunt is the kind of pirate the facists should be after. not some home user who’s harming noone, not that it’ll be admited by them anytime soon.

    • PelouzeTF

      Can you really not see the difference between that guy. Who even though he is a total bottom feeder, can only sell as many physical copies as he has to people in front of him). To some doucher uploading pirated copies of the same film to millions of freeloaders for profit via cyberlocker reward programs ?

      • Fuckpiss

        Yeah? One’s selling for profit, the others are sharing freely. Big difference.

        • PelouzeTF

          No difference because both can do it for profit. Except ones of the pirates are sharing to cheap skates at Bovingdon market and one is sharing globally to millions.

  • patrick

    You go from ‘uploaders to cyberlockers not driven by cash rewards’ to limited examples from a French video streaming linking site and a small cyberlocker link site.

    1. Video streaming hosts have always paid less than the big traditional cyberlockers. Even before MU and MV went down and the rewards plummeted. I don’t see how you can generalise from ‘people uploading to one french streaming site’ to ‘all cyberlocker uploads’. The French streaming community has always been pretty tight so sure, non-monetary rewards can be big drivers of behaviour.

    2. Most uploaders who are in this for money do it across multiple linking sites not just one or two. There’s a HUGE difference in behaviour between casual uploaders who do this for fun or the good of the community and those who do this for serious money. The latter make up a large proportion of all links and are more focused on adding good links and making sure they stay live.

    Jump into a few discussions on WJunction and you’ll find plenty of people making shedloads of cash. Except they’re now often making smaller shedloads than they were used to a year ago.

    Conclusion: “cyberlocker uploaders aren’t all bathing in money is probably correct”. Well duh. Most [insert any occupation] aren’t all bathing in money.

    • Whatever

      Don’t know the site WJunction or discussions there.

      However, there aren’t too many people bragging on how little money they make.
      So how much of any sum mentioned is real remains to be seen.

    • Guesticles

      I used to be one of those uploaders. It was easy enough to earn 5k USD a month with minimum effort. All that’s required is a multiposter auto posting links to thousands of forums within minutes. With average 10-15 posts a day and links from multiple affiliate cyberlockers in each post, it was easy money.

      I know people out there who even have autobot scripts and servers that do all the job for them. They don’t even need to waste time creating the posts. Everything is fully automated and the server is working 24×7 downloading, raring, uploading & posting to various forums. Compared to those guys I was a small fish.

    • thedude321

      I am a human, and I agree with this comment! :P

      Piracy is about sharing, not making money.

  • Guest

    Yet more reason and ammunition for the MAFFIA to shutdown all cyberlockers as this money is not going directly to them.

  • Some stuff

    Sorry TF , but you made a mess with this article.

    You know to well how much money people make with cyberlockers. Go to wjunction , digitalpoint , uploadertalk and you can easily spot guys making more than 5k per month , nad we’re not speaking about large forums owners who quietly cash in x10k$.

    Please don’t fell in the same row as the MAFFIA.
    Twisting data and information just to make a cause worth fighting. PLEASE!

    • Guesticles

      Exactly. I am all for fighting against the MAFIAA but fabricating data and subverting the truth seems like following in the MAFIAA’s footsteps to me.

      C’mon we all know the ground reality. Anyone who has ever been in the uploading business for a small time in the last 5 years know what kind of cash is up for grabs.

      Yes the affiliate business has taken a hit after MU went down and many major hosts shutdown but its not like people aren’t making money anymore. The ones who are in it for the long haul are still raking in the dough. Just visit the right uploader forums and there’s plenty of proof of that.

      • 7th_Guest

        Links to specific threads where people have demonstrated earning such multi-thousand monthly sums by mass (auto)uploading to cyberlockers? You both purport to be so well-versed in the subject, I trust it shouldn’t be too hard for either of you to come up with some recent examples to prove that claim.

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  • Anonymous

    ‘the overall impact of affiliate programs on piracy may be overstated.’

    i’ll bet that 99.9% of uploaders do so for the Kudos and are not interested in rewards. the entertainment industries use this as another excuse to bullshit politicians, who cant think for themselves or see past the ‘brown envelope full of cash’, that they receive into doing what the industries want. of course there are commercial gangs that are in the game for making money but they are few and far between. it’s not how it used to be when people bought copious numbers of music cds and dvds. today, the odd one is bought but only then on recommendation from friends etc, certainly not from the single best bit in the tv trailer!

    • PelouzeTF

      Your right on one thing….a large portion probably do attempt to get some kind of kudos, status or bragging rights.

      If there’s one thing for sure…..spending all your time uploading for any of those things is a sure sign that your a saddo. And apparently, the internet has no shortage of sad and lonely people looking for validation from anons.

      • 7th_Guest

        Or opinionated twats eager to look down on others from their high horses without having achieved anything themselves, for that matter, just because they had the mad skills to’ve been born with a silver spoon in their mouths and couldn’t relate to, let alone understand, the common man’s priorities to save their lives. Great views from up in ivory towers, I hear; pity about the thin air though…

        • PelouzeTF

          How do you know I haven’t achieved anything? Or should we just assume that you’re pulling any old shit out of your ass?

          “Born with a silver spoon”…..Incorrect! Not that it matters where you start in life, wrong is always wrong. If you want to improve your lifestyle, you “work”. Maybe you’ve heard of it ?

          “let alone understand, the common man’s priorities to save their lives”……….what the hell are you talking about ? The common mans life isn’t dependent (or going to be saved) by pirating copyrighted media lol.

          “opinionated”….. on certain things, sure, who isn’t ? You’re lumping the “common” man(which is pretty much everyone on the planet) into the same cesspool as bottom feeding profit pirates and cyberlocker owners….you aren’t speaking for the common man and id wager that a very large percentage would call “you” a twat for your off-handed, incorrect broad-stroke “opinions”

  • Mr. F.

    every research that goes into file sharing just concludes that RIAA are incorrect, even RIAA’s own researches conclude that…someone is in major denial in that organisation.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Agreed on the denial.

  • Ros

    I can also make the minimum wage by dealing cocaine a few times a month, still doesnt make it right

    • Guest

      Please, do not EVER compare sharing information to drug dealing again!

      • Liam Jh

        Unfortunately, people crave information more than they do drugs, and if people want to take any drug they wish – let em.

  • Dave

    the uploaders who are getting the downloads are the ones with wide distribution and of course they are putting up copyrighted material. I mean duh! like tens thousands of people really want to download non copyrighted content on a regular basis. It is what it is. But torrent freak pushing this agenda that is clearly propaganda bs doesnt lend credibility to this site. You want to harp on the anti piracy propaganda as lies but dont go making up total bullshit stories yourself, you damage only your own credibility.

    before someone points out that this is some official “study” done by “credible” sources and TF is but reporting only….cmon…spare us. You guys are savvy enough to know that there are plenty of people making big big money in the piracy business. It might be the 90/10 rule but the 10 % is making huge money.

  • http://twitter.com/krozareq krozareq

    Those adf.ly links are annoying.

  • The_Strawbear

    And how much do idiots like KDC make out of it all?

    Ppl upload for status and other reasons, that’s made patently clear by torrent sites.

  • PelouzeTF

    Uploading for cash is almost exclusively the domain of certain groups of people. Basically your teens, sad people, lazy fux and dumbasses. Anyone that thinks that $5 a day is a good return (provided of course that the cyberlocker pays you beforet losing the ability to pay and just runs off with the money lol).

    Its an irrelevant article anyway…..the whole point of file lockers is not why or even how the Filelockers manage to “pay” their slave upload army so little, …the point is that they have managed to get so many uploader to “believe” that they can earn good money by uploading files…..which of course you can’t….the majority will give up and the file is just more material for them to try and sell premium to someone.

    Premium membership buyers wont buy accounts unless they can see that they will get plenty in return for their $9 a month.

    Cyberlockers cant profit if they don’t have plenty of copyright infringing content on them….films, music, games, porn, etc that would cost a legitimate buyer $1000′s if bought legally. Your premium user see’s $1000′s of dollars of merchandise they want, a $9 monthly for unlimited and the choice is easy.

    Modern day profit pirates hiding behind a outdated laws.

    • Anyone

      how do you explain all those torrent sites with content where noone gets paid to upload and noone has to pay to download?

      • PelouzeTF

        The article was talking about Cyberlockers. But torrents uploaders fall under the saddo/looking for kudos-bragging-validation catagory.

        i.e..spending your free time uploading for any of those things is a sure sign that you’re an unbelievable sad sack. And apparently, the internet has no shortage of sad and lonely people looking for validation from anons.

        Even a day one psyche student can see from the torrent forums that all those uploaders posting with an accompanying message like:

        “I spent hours sorting all this material out and categorizing it for easy navigation, enjoy my upload and say thanks if you like”

        are witnessing some seriously sad and lonely people. IMO Life is too short to spend hours at your computer pleasing anons who will never care one bit about you. Amazing how people choose to waste their lives.

        You mention downloading which obviously isn’t the same thing when looked at exclusively, those people are just really cheap.

        So even if no one gets paid, and people are happy to receive a pat on the back from 1% of those that downloaded their upload….its tragic.

        Its their life though, and their welcome to waste it.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Really?

          Knowing a few such people doing sorting and uploading, I must say I can’t agree with you. Most of the heavy uploaders who do pre-sorting and collating have already done that for their own purposes and thought it would be a nice gesture to share.

          In real life they tend to be quite well liked and gregarious – which holds true for most people who actually put things INTO a public domain.

          Then again, I can understand that you’d take one look at the best liked neighbor in the block and decide “What a desperately lonely person, always saying “hi” and helping out”…

          It’s the sort of person you seem to be.
          Sad. And lonely.

        • PelouzeTF

          Sure SDM lol, you can claim that heavy uploaders (or even many casual uploaders) that spend almost all of their free time sat in front of their computer, sorting and uploading, desperately waiting for the “Thx for the upload” comments from other anons – are social butterflies. But even the least critical thinker knows they’re not.

          Its quite obvious just by looking at the behaviors on forums and upload sites.

          But you’re obviously free to argue against the logic of the situation. It wont change the mind of those that repeatedly witness their sad little online lives.

          Try to get out of the house today SDM ;)

        • ScrewEwe2

          Nobody here cares about you or your opinions Pelouzey.

        • Liam Jh

          I upload to torrent sites simply for the kudos, and the warm fuzzy feeling I get from sharing, yup I feel realy sad.
          What I find tragic is your thought that some people cannot be nice just for the sake of it.

        • PelouzeTF

          Exactly, you like to receive a bit of praise. Maybe you don’t get much in the real world and online anons are always reliable when you need a little bone.

          Pretty textbook……..but well done you LOL

    • Guest

      Ah, yes, because there’s no reason why anyone would ever want to use a cyberlocker. It must be the piracy. Same reason as why anyone would ever want fast Internet connections, a modem, a computer, an apartment, a car, et cetera. The planet is filled with filthy pirates, right Pelouzey? Got Anon and Nej cowering under your special desk so you had to fill in for them, eh? Don’t forget to remind them to breathe once in a while!

      • PelouzeTF

        Of course there are legitimate reason one might use a cyberlocker. I’ve used one to transfer a few small business files that I own to another person. Sometimes I also use gmail, dropbox or ftp.

        Thats obviously as far as you can get from those that use the lockers in conjunction with the rewards program to upload files that infringe on anothers copyrights to profit from the downloads.

        Obviously you haven’t lurked on the sharing forums to see the mass infringement, profiteering threads (from the uploaders and the cyberlocker owners) and basic disregard for anything other than their own financial gain. So yes, the main function of most cyberlockers is to get people to buy premium…..and for people to consider buying premium en-mass, there has to be things on there for them to download….and that sure as shit isn’t your family photos snaps.

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  • Who

    “Last year the MPAA released a fact-sheet stating that the file-hosting business is “all about the money,”

    OMFG…LMFAO…and they got room to talk.

    ya know what MPAA/RIAA……STFU!! you don’t shit about anything.

    • The Guy

      ^ +1

    • Who

      Oops I forgot to add the “no” in-between the don’t and the shit. LOL

  • http://twitter.com/EvanKnz Evan Kennedy

    Intuitions and anecdotes are no substitute for real studies and statistics. Your intuitions and anecdotes don’t make for a strong rebuttal of the article.

    If you have criticisms beyond a contradiction of what you personally believe to be true, then make them, otherwise, remain silent, or at least, don’t be so sure of your self.

    Opinions without evidence or argument are meaningless.

    Now specifically, the article clearly mentions “most users”, so knowing a couple users who don’t meet the profile doesn’t disprove the article.

    In the high level private torrent communities I’ve been apart of, I know that most users aim for above the medium share ratio, make uploads, edit torrents (those who rank highly enough anyway), for zero financial gain.

    Obviously cyberlockers have different dynamics than private torrent communities, but I thought I’d mention it anyway.

  • Shogunreaper

    Doesn’t really matter how much or little it is, its still money and it takes way less time and effort than most jobs that pay minimum wage.

    When i was doing it i was making an easy 30-40 a day, only spending a couple hours a day doing it. (Back when fileservefilesonic and all those offered stuff)

  • icec0ld

    I fail to see how any uploader could make any amount of money when most file locker sites have shutdown these reward programs

  • Will

    This small sample cannot be taken seriously to represent the countless networks involved in profiting from stolen content.

    If most uploaders were not motivated by profit, then mediafire or bayfiles links would be hugely popular on all warez boards. Instead the most common links are by far from hosts with affiliate programs.

    • Oppa

      Great point. Go to any popular warez forum and even today one can mostly find links from file hosts that pay uploaders and give horrible speeds to free downloaders.

      Back in the glory days of Fileserve, Hotfile, Filesonic etc. forums used to be literally spammed to hell with those links. There was no question of seeing any other links at that time. What’s stopping the uploaders from using downloader friendly hosts like Bayfiles, Mediafire, Zippyshare etc.? Nothing, it’s just greed that’s all.

      This article is a total farce.

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