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Movie Industry: London ‘Fake-Free Zone’ by 2012

Touted as the biggest ever anti-piracy collaboration, the MPA and several major anti-piracy groups have announced that by the time the 2012 Olympics begin, they will have made London “a fake-free zone”. This impossible mission to stamp out DVD piracy was launched by Intellectual Property Minister, David Lammy.

The Motion Picture Association, U.K. Film Council, UK Intellectual Property Office, Federation Against Copyright Theft, London Councils, Trading Standards and the Police are teaming up to eliminate DVD piracy in London before the 2012 Olympics.

Intellectual Property Minister David Lammy endorsed the launch of the ambitious ‘Fake Free London’ project, noting that the police will be required to enforce already-existing laws: “Legislation alone will not combat counterfeiting and piracy. Good law is great but enforced law is better.” He said the aim of the campaign was send a message that people are serious about tackling the problem, and that consumers and legitimate businesses would be better off as a result.

Apparently there have already been dozens of arrests, but it is unclear if these were connected to running an operation manufacturing the counterfeit DVDs, or selling them. In the UK right now, the difference in terms of how the courts deal with the people at the top compared to the bottom is marked.

Street sellers, often from other countries, are at the bottom of the food chain and are usually cautioned by the police, DVDs confiscated and sent on their way. Some receive small fines but more usually, those that continually flout the warnings could find themselves the subject of an Anti-Social Behavior Order. If they breach the terms of those, it’s possible they’ll go to prison, but few do. It’s hard to see that this process is much of a deterrent, it relies on an offender getting caught lots of times. Besides, the UK has very little prison space right now.

Towards the top end of the food chain, things are different. Last month, another UK man Steven Adams, a fairly large-scale counterfeiter who also fitted huge numbers of XBox and Playstation modchips, received a fairly hefty sentence from the courts. He pleaded guilty to 44 charges, including the manufacture and selling around £1 million of counterfeit products. Adams had toured computer and flea markets all over the UK and at the time of his arrest, police found 31,000 counterfeit discs in his possession. He had numerous expensive properties, vehicles and possessions but didn’t try to hide his wealth, something which he will now regret as the court takes action to seize them. For his sins, Adams also received 3 years in jail.

The punishment for commercial piracy in the UK starts with a simple caution and goes up 10 years in jail and an unlimited fine, so it seems the tools to deal with the problem are already there, but is there the will to start locking more people up? Time will tell, but it seems unlikely. So can the MPA win its very own Olympic event? A bronze medal, absolute maximum.

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  • slpfeing

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  • lol

    why would someone be so stupid to say they can stamp out piracy?

    what are they retarded? thats like saying your going to stamp out drug use.

    not. going. to. happen.

    Hit yourself in the face for even thinking such a stupid thought.

  • Binsy

    This is just some dude trying to gain publicity. Its absolutely naive to consider this is even a possibility. And what bout the endless digital files available online to people in London? The police have enough crap to deal with in this country rather than crawling the streets for bootleg CDs. They’ll catch a few people like steve adams, make a big deal about it to scare people and then business will resume as usual.

  • Dare

    I think those of us in the “sharing” community should ABSOLUTELY stand in SOLIDARITY with the police on this issue:

    This is not SHARING, this is COMMERCIAL, this is making a selfish PROFIT off of other people’s hard work.

    Its one thing to share you favorite movie with your ‘friend’ in another place, its ENTIRELY another to SELL other people’s shit illegally.

    But yes, no-one will ever 100% eradicate this. However, the more solidarity WE as SHARERS show with the police on this issue, the more we can hopefully show them the very real DISTANCE from those who seek to turn a profit by selling DVDs and those of us who simply like to share our passions with the world, just as scientists freely share ideas…

  • Roze

    I wonder whether this will extend to non-commercial file-sharers. If it does, then it shall require an open rebellion of distributing free DVDs on the streets.

    But even if this does not happen – even if it remains confined to being against commercial operations, I think it still might be a great idea for people to distribute free DVDs/CDs on the streets of London. After all, it would be another great way to combat commercial piracy, wouldn’t it? It would also send the additional message that such non-commercial file-sharing is positive and good.

    Roze
    http://www.10ch.org/

  • http://www.eZee.se www.eZee.se

    They are going after commercial piracy, I for one wish them the best of luck.

    IMHO people who pirate for profit _should_ be punished, its when the morons at the RIAA/MPAA try to lump people who download for themselves and the commercial pirates that i want to take a dump in their soup.

  • pes

    Well, they’ve successfully stopped VHS and Betamax piracy!

    Seriously, won’t a lot of people have moved onto Blu-Ray by then? Of course, I doubt DVD will have died by then but it seems like a fairly pointless mission (of course, it’s pointless anyway).

  • Roze

    @9 pes
    Well, isn’t the best way to stop people from commercially selling pirate DVDs &c. be to hand them out for free? I think that non-commercial piracy is the singular thing that could wipe out commerical piracy, don’t you think?

    Roze

  • 4

    I agree with 4!

  • Diji1

    Roze: Time and time again you make the suggestion to people to place DVD’s containing pirated media in the street for others to pickup. If you want to waste your time, energy and money doing this pointless exercise go ahead but most others here think it’s a stupid idea that will achieve nothing except wasting aforementioned resources of people. It’s a daft suggestion and about as pointless as that website you insist on spamming this place with constantly. Noticed how almost nobody posts there? There’s a reason for that…

    Some of you people make an odd distinction. For some reason you condemn people who sell pirated copies and yet say filesharing is “morally” good (dont know how else to decribe whay they say…) – one person suggested that the reason commercial pirates are “bad” is that they “profit off others work”. I fail to see a difference. Using this logic any website/tracker that makes an income stream above costs are also “bad” because they are making money off others work. Either way the artist/distributors are deprived of income because most people will not purchase what they have pirated. Period.

    It’s like deep down you know you are doing something wrong and so you make this ridiculous distinction to feel better. It is a side issue and beside the point.

    People who sell illegal copies are providing a service to people who can’t use/can’t afford hardware or internet amongst other things. They cannot be expected top burn off copies and give them away for nothing and what is the difference between swapping a CD for cash and filesharing?

    Dont get me wrong: I havent bought an app, music, movie etc. for donkeys years – thanks to Usenet & BT. I prefer to steal (download) rather than pay money but this distinction is ridiculous in my mind.

    Can someone who hold this view explain to me what the difference between commercial pirates and filesharers/downloaders is for me please? Can you please explain the difference between giving someone a physical DVD and allowing somebody to upload off you – aside from the fact that somebody takes a little compensation for the time spent burning a CD to swap? I’d be interested…

  • Roze

    @10
    Also interesting distinction you make between ordinary “depriving others’ income” and file-sharing. As far as I knew, not buying another person’s work deprived another of their income just as much as file-sharing and not buying it. You are just as illogical.

    Roze

  • Anonymous

    Dont be stupid Roze: most people would purchase music, watch TV with ads and rent/purchase games, movies and books were they not able to download it – at least a portion of what they otherwise obtain for free.

    This happened previous to filesharing being easily accesible to many people.

    At least that’s what I think you mean – your post doesn’t exactly make much sense as far as meaning goes. Pleae point out where my post is illogical.

    Again – anyone care to explain to me the difference between somebody uploading content to a complete stranger – in order to download – and somebody exchanging content for money with a complete stranger? I just fail to see why commercial pirates are “scum” (or at least that’s the vibe I’m getting) and filesharers are free of this image. I have no such views of commercial pirates – if people want to use their services, that’s fine by me.

  • Eh

    I agree with 10.

    Seriously, anyone that tries to make excuses about filesharing is doing so to have some sort of court excuse to hold on to for when (if) they get caught. People that share aren’t any better than people that sell, albeit sharing is the “lesser evil.”

    At the root, everyone is making a profit, even if it isn’t money. You didn’t have that movie/cd/whatever before, and by downloading it, you’re making a profit to your collection.

    We’re all evil, no matter who the lesser is.

  • Wrong

    Nope your wrong. I wouldnt buy it, period. If I couldnt get it, I would go outside and see if the sun still works.

    I DO buy products, only after pirating them and making sure they are PAR.

    I will not be scammed.
    I will not be ripped off.

    Hollywood can kiss my ass, so can crap artists and shit game makers.

    No more am I going to go through this ‘Wait and see’ scam with ‘no refunds’. Go F*ck Yourself.

    Il pay when I get a product worth paying for like I have done many a time. Not only that, I recommend it to other people the sale repeats itself.

    The difference between SELLING copyrighted works and SHARING IT is huge, its beyond me how you dont get that.

    A file sharer has interest in the copyrighted work, he wants to see it and tell other people about it and possibly buy into it. (Ex: Go to a show of an artist he found) A SELLER wants to make $$$ from NOTHING. He wants to obtain an Item that he did not create or pay for, and SELL to someone. He could care less about what he is selling or to whom, he is literally taking the sale from the copyright holder that otherwise would have bought it legally.

    I can guarantee you without a shadow of a doubt that the industry hasnt lost a PENNY to me, yet has gained much.

    You know when your being a thief, and you know when your taking advantage of a awesome technology that can aid you in finding the product that is right for you. I had someone ask me how much I wanted for pirated DVD’s, I told him I have a strict policy to never sell, ever.

  • lol

    Free Advertising retards..

    Someone gets somthing they would have otherwise never got, its called FREE ADVERTISING.

    If he bottles it up and never tells anyone, still no lose.

    If he ends up learning about the product and sharing/teaching someone else who never even heard of it, the pattern goes on and on.

    And if you think that ‘everyone knows’ about product X, then your a moron. Why do you think they spend tons of money on repeating advertising.. over and over.. because no matter how many times.. theres always more people to inform.

    You think that by sharing your product with someone in PERU that somehow you have lost money? Grow a brain.

  • FxO

    What it sounds like is #10 and #13 are trying to justify themselves taking sales away from copyright holders..

    Selling is wrong, stop trying to put it on the same playing field, because your not fooling anyone.

    Dont think its OK to make a few bucks by selling some DVD’s to some friends, because its not.

  • biL

    THE PROBLEM with selling pirate DVDs is that they often claim them to be legitimate.

    I pirate a lot of stuff for personal use, it’s wrong, but it’s not like I have the money to pay for expensive software or buy every DVD I just want to watch once. The level of robbing an artist is that of buying a legitimate item secondhand off ebay.

    The problem, or how I take it, is that when a person with money who is buying a legitimate copy of what they want, which would fund the artist is buying pirated software. This ACTIVELY robs those entitled to the money they should be earning off their products.

    If this guy was selling disks so obviously pirate and people were buying them for a little more than the cost of the disk it would be no different than file sharing. It sounds more like this guy dressed the pirates up close enough to the real thing, and then raped a bunch of older women who want to own the dark knight for $7.

  • Alex

    I hope they issue a press release claiming their success on the opening day of the olympics, only to see that a torrent for the olympic opening ceremony will be one of the most widely pirated release ever.

    I hope the group(s) that will be releasing the opening ceremony for London 2012 will have mention of this in their NFO… UP YOUR MPAA and RIAA!

  • That Guy

    They wish they could. You cant stop what you cant control.

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  • Anonymous

    Sharing copyrighted stuff is fine by me, but selling is different. I agree with Roze; the biggest threat to commercial piracy should be non commercial piracy!

  • anti-mpaa

    Money talks… F*ck rich ppl, let us watch some movies for free!

  • 7SeVeN7

    ‘Fake-Free Zone’ by 2012 NEVER HAPPEN NOT EVEN BY 3012

    EPIC FAIL A$$HOLES!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    As much as piracy is wrong. Wasting taxpayers money on something that cannot be stopped is equally pointless.

    Do people really expect not to recieve pirate copies from market stalls?

    Doesn’t matter anyway, Londons most likely to get fucked up at the Olympics.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with #2. It’s not going to happen and their stupid.

  • Roze

    @13
    Why would anyone want it as a court excuse? Few people ever are taken to court.

    @12
    How is it stupid? After all, there are various ways to deprive another person of their income. One way is to criticize it and dissuade people from buing it. Another way is to invent something better so that people won’t buy the old thing anymore. Another way is simply not to buy a product – this deprives another person of the income they would have made had you bought it. Another way is to provide it for cheaper, which is what file-sharing does. This kind of thing happens all the time, like with one business selling their product at a lower price than the other, which drives business away from the other. File-sharing provides it at zero price. You are suggesting that they all be made illegal – which does not make any sense. That they be made illegal is vast, sweeping, government control, and a vast, sweeping, government monopoly grant, which is very much contrary to capitalism and freedom. You are completely illogical when you say that any depriviations of income of another is wrong and should be illegal.

    Roze

  • baka pinkuu

    I thought from the headline that maybe TPB was going after the Media Defender Jrs with a new vengeance. Byebye honeypots, fakesubs, DDOS attacks, pay-to-leechers, etc…

    But it’s just the latest mental masturbation to come out of the MAFIAA instead. What a letdown. XP

  • baka pinkuu

    Roze: To quote one of Dr. McCoy’s best-known lines, “Damn your Vulcan logic, Spock!” ^_~

    It’s only legal to undercut reasonably-priced products so that you can sell them for 10x the price later, and only if you’re already filthy rich. If not, or if you try to undercut the 10x-price product, you’re an evil thief!

    All hail Unregulated Capitalism!

    (Wait a minute… if it’s illegal to deprive someone of income, does that mean we can start executing the CEOs who 1) buttsurfed the economy 2) are now getting massive payoffs, er I mean bailouts 3) have the nerve to lay people off right after taking billions to not do so?)

  • Anonymous

    As much as I think the MPAA are assholes, I wish them the best of luck on this mission, although it may be futile. I have no sympathy for those that use piracy for profit, rather than just personal use.

  • notsojolly

    look ppl, at the end of the day, piracy is a result of the corporations forcing an out-dated format.
    PLASTIC DISKS.

    IF you use the services of a street hawker, tracker, rapidshare server, it doesnt matter.
    YOU GET A FAIRER DEAL.
    because 25 bucks for ‘Wanted’ on DVD, even with the extras, is STILL A KICK IN THE C*NT. :|

  • John Smith

    This is quite interesting.
    http://TorrentMoon.com

  • Jacob

    Lol those people are imbosels -.-. I’m only 15 but I am pretty shure that piracy is in no way related to the olympics. I’m allso pretty shure that crushing people is not in the spirit of the olympics. So hell the hell can they claim theyre doing it in the name of olympics. Isnt that defamation of the name of the olympics. :(.

    Also guess what? Thats right im pirating in my mind. It’s simple. All you do is think of a copyrighted image and bam! You just infringed someones copyright lol. I can’t help it. lol. Anything you look at is reproduced in your head. Im automaticly infringing copyright :P Allso in my country your not allowed to format shift. So it seems easier to just skip the buying it and just copy it as both are equally illegal :P. Yep. And I laugh cause idiot copyright holders fight wrong things. They should be against censorship as it eliminates their potential buyers purchasing ability.

    Also those so called “anti-pirates” should go to somalia and get themselves some real pirates. Lol they would probably get their heads cut of :D.

  • UraPhake

    Some people are so damned thick-headed!

    When I download a music or movie torrent it is always something I would not take a chance on buying legally in the first place unless I somehow knew in advance that it is something I want.

    The music for example: If it is crap, then I use “delete” and I no longer have it. My “theft” never happened. If it’s good stuff, then I buy the music through a legal method (either CD or a music service). Had I purchased the CD or track legally without having heard it and then found it to be crap the outcome would be completely different. In the case of a CD, I could only return and exchange it for the same damned thing! I would be screwed out of my hard-earned money! If it was a digital download, then everyone knows that it’s, “You bought it, it’s yours.”

    It’s the same story with a DVD as well.

    Now, if I wouldn’t have purchased the music in the first place, then how is that different from previewing it via file-sharing?

    Listening to a 30-second so-called preview from a digital download service doesn’t tell me shit about how I will like something, or not.

    All of this is exactly the way people have always shared music. People shared cassette recordings with their friends. When they gave me a tape of something good — I went out and bought the album for myself.

    But don’t call me a thief for doing the same thing with torrent downloads. I have well over 600 legal music CDs in my collection and about half that number in DVDs.

    Most of which I NEVER would have purchased without having prior access to them via torrent download.

    Am I a thief if someone lends me a book to read? Is the person who loaned me the book a “pirate?”

    If so, then you’d better have the police do a raid on your local library. Oh, and libraries today have music CDs you can check out. Are they not performing the same function as The Pirate Bay and with your tax money facilitating such blatant “thievery?”

  • Anonymous

    They are going after commercial piracy and next going after non comercial piracy,its clear.

  • fr3ak

    As the owner of a BT site I have personally taken action to get sites removed where commercial use of the “free” content my users torrent has occured. Sharing is one thing but this black-market crap gives P2P a bad name.

  • erw

    London ‘Fag-Zone’ by 2012

  • Treva

    YAAAARRrrrrr. (That is all)

  • Anonymous

    Piracy for profit? I don’t feel much sympathy for them. MAFIAA can go after them and leave us filesharers alone.

  • Anonymous

    @10

    I for one wouldn’t buy any music that I don’t already buy if I didn’t use BT/Usenet (whether by choice or not).

  • haha funny

    and ironically after i get there with my dvdr burner and laptop
    me thinks da minister of lunacy will get the truth handd to him on his platter.

    YES burn all kinds mixed cdrs for the olympics folks and spread em all over the benches and seats slip em everywhere

    pull a george from the cbc of canada
    have fun with stupid

  • WormSlayer

    David Lammy – poster-boy for clueless techno-retards everywhere!

  • n00b

    Hope they get rid of politicians then!

  • Late again

    For anonymous 10/12

    I can’t say that I speak for all by any means, but I believe the distinction is more profit vs recouping of costs with the former being “bad”.

    No great love for either from me IF they have the means to do so digitally (p2p) since it’s just reinforcing a need for physical media using up resources and creating unnecessary waste IMHO.

    However given the choice, I have far less an issue with a simple recouping of costs (helpful to the less fortunate much as a local thrift shop may provide) vs someone who has a villa w/ vineyard just because they know how to copy disks.

  • Anonymous

    Bless! What a blatant lack of appreciation of technological progress. I have NO DOUBT that pirate DVD sales on the streets of London will be gone by 2012!! DVDs, 2012? Really!?

  • Mincedmeat

    All I can say to the movie industry is “Good luck a holes”.

  • Miqueltozzz

    This type of piracy is wrong in my opinion.
    Sharing is caring, as it is non-commercial, but when you sell other peoples work, getting money from that with artist/whatever getting nothing is so wrong.

  • Roze

    @45
    Don’t forget: it is not just recouping the costs. It is also the freedom to show things to one’s friends whenever one wishes. The rights holder may place limitations on where it may be available – and the rest of us should have the right to make it available wherever we wish to make it available. Not only is it making it available, but also the freedom to alter/modify it to express one’s own thoughts and opinions on the original (examples: fan-edits, fan-games, musical remixes, etc.). This is called freedom of speech.

    Remember: p2p is not just about downloading. It is also about uploading.

    Roze

  • Dare

    Interesting ideas Roze.

    Anyway, for ALL of us to be better informed I’d BEG you to consider viewing “Steal This Film II” over at:

    “http://www.stealthisfilm.com/Part2/”

    Alot of the arguments going back and forth are considered in this movie from a logical theoretical underpinning of historical context.

    I hate cliches, but its true: Those who ignore history are destined to repeat the same mistakes..

    ..Those of you saying we are “trying to clear your conscience” by distinguishing between SELLING and SHARING, I’d BEG you to watch it..watch it grudgingly, but please don’t fail to consider the ideas therein.

    Fail to do so, and one day you WILL wake up on the wrong side of the divide only to realise you have imprisoned yourself inside your own ignorance and misplaced pride. Maybe on that day in the future, we are in jail physically for peacefully standing for what we believe in.

    At least on that day we will be free from self-loathing & self-torture..

    “http://www.stealthisfilm.com/Part2/”

  • Anon

    Lol ok I never illegal Dvds anyway (lets say a certain “site” helps me out. Hint it contains the word bay)

  • Dare

    Also,

    To those of you MPAA and other anti-pirate agencies…

    You’re not fooling anyone with your “Fucking MPAA asshole scum” reverse psychology PROPAGANDA.

    I mean REALLY?? Is this what your job has come down to? Pretending to be a pirate just so that you can accuse “pirates” of poor intelligence and lack of morals..

    Wow..

  • Anonymous

    used to get a lot of chinese offering badly copied DVD’s then he made a sale with an undercover cop who wanted more… they all got nicked.

    not like commercial pirates who do it for money, but as for stopping them, be more useful stopping drugs gangs, but then the druggies shoot back and so guess going for easy target

  • Anonymous

    I would like to show David Lammy some justice with my shotgun to his face. I’m sure he wouldn’t be so confident then.

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  • Anonymous

    This is never going to work but reguardless it doesnt really effect us filesharers hopefully more people who buy these Dvd’s will start filesharing instead.

  • starz

    Umm, hasn’t anyone been to the Privy Council arguing Stevens v Kabushiki Kaisha Sony Computer Entertainment [2005] HCA 58 in a persuasive precident? Australians enjoy the freedom to modchip their consoles – Sony’s attempt to control what software they can use on their consoles consitutues a violation of the Australian Trade Practices Act (1974). I’m surprised someone hasn’t been there trying to attack DVD regioning yet.

    Hopefully Obama’s not up the arse of the RIAA and MPAA, Australia won’t have our neck breathed down to be up their arse too, so our current PM won’t attempt to “legislate” in the next four years, allowing those who work around this bull to circumvent the current laws, and hopefully a couple of crafty Barristers protecting those who have no money (thanks to the governments so-called “recession”) when they try to access overpriced content. I can see the blood on the wall now.

    I don’t know how the UK Conservatives fare on copyright, but if they’re anything like it is in Australia, the UK will continue to suffer at the hands of two parties with not the interests of the public (and the arts) in mind.

  • TerribleTony

    Amazing that you can get a maximum jail term of ten years for this, yet go out and kill one of more people with your vehicle, and it’s eight years.

    Just goes to show how fucked up these systems really are.

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