MPAA Propaganda Hits 60 Minutes
Written by Ernesto on November 02, 2009The MPAA scored a victory last night when millions of people tuned in to CBS’s 60 Minutes. The ‘investigative’ news magazine ran a propaganda piece on movie piracy yesterday, allowing the MPAA to insinuate once again that organized crime and BitTorrent go hand in hand.
The MPAA getting free airtime on one of the most watched television programs in the U.S. is not really a surprise, since CBS has close ties to Hollywood. However, for a program that claims to do ‘investigative’ journalism, yesterday’s item on movie piracy was not very well researched.
What bothered us the most is that the item conveniently mixed file-sharing with commercial piracy, while linking it to organized crime, human trafficking and child prostitution. This setup is a bit misleading to say the least. That aside, the claimed role that piracy plays in organized crime is based on an MPAA-funded study we have previously debunked.
The MPAA’s stance didn’t really surprise us that much though. Their job is to manipulate public opinion in the hope that less people will engage in illicit file-sharing. But it was disappointing to see that CBS didn’t care to bring someone in to counter the arguments of the anti-piracy lobbyists.
No, instead they managed to get director Steven Soderbergh on, who joined the movie industry trade group by providing more twisted facts. Reciting the MPAA’s propaganda, Soderbergh said he wished the Internet was never invented. “Piracy is costing Hollywood $6 billion a year at the box office,” he told the reporter, adding that “as the margins of profit shrink, fewer projects get made, which means fewer people go to work.”
These statements are both inaccurate, or at least highly doubtful. The $6 billion statistic Soderbergh is referring to actually comes from an MPAA-funded report for which the sources were never revealed. In fact, the MPAA itself had to release a statement saying that they “made a mistake” with one of the figures, but they continue to use the report nonetheless.
Similarly, Soderbergh’s claim that “fewer projects get made” was debunked only last week after Sony boss Michael Lynton made a similar statement. The opposite seems to be true. Hollywood is far from bankrupt. In the past decade box office earnings actually increased significantly.
The only piece of the entire item that was pretty accurate and worth watching was the explanation of how BitTorrent works. John Malcolm, a former Director of Worldwide Anti-Piracy Operations for the MPAA shows that his work for the trade group paid off, as it turned him into a BitTorrent expert (video below).
The entire piece is disappointing nevertheless. It fails to ask the questions about why people download movies illegally and acts as if the movie industry is a powerless victim. Perhaps Hollywood should start to see the millions of illegal downloaders as potential customers instead of thieves. There’s a huge demand for online entertainment, so why not compete with piracy instead of spending millions of dollars fighting it?
Former MPAA anti-piracy chief John Malcolm explains how BitTorrent works
Previously: Top 10 Most Pirated Movies on BitTorrent
Next: AFACT v iiNet: – Pirates Will Be Cut Off With a Court Order
175 Responses
Yet another article with pretty much the same content. MPAA/RIAA MONEY LOL WE LOST PROFITS
great explaination
ah damn, ill pearl a blunt to that
I never liked Soderbergh’s movies. Now I know why: he’s not very intelligent.
I was watching this after dinner with my parents yesterday, and I knew they were believing every word of it, unfortunately..
Lame explanation…
cool model he has there, what is it :D?
Poore slaves. Poore Soderbergh.
Wake up.
Launch BitTorrent powered, paid, services.
“so why not compete with piracy instead of spending millions of dollars fighting it?”
That would mean they would actually have to use their brains and do some actual work, its just easier to tell people black is white and the sky is falling… then sit back and watch free money roll in.
“See that cone there, that’s us”
that’s one m8. that cone there is _ME_ downloading _YOUR_ films :D
fukkin tool
It looks as though the guy in the video is using Vuze (shows how clued-up he is), but I’ve never seen that view/illustration of the Peers before.
I think I read somewhere that it might be an add-on for Vuze.
TF should ask 60mins for a counter interview!..LoL
@7, if you’re serious…thats the old azureus 3D view plugin .. doesn’t work anymore, no one has updated it for the newer builds..
But so far im cool with UT 2.0…
Vuze may be a thing of the past (Still haven’t sent it to the virtual round file yet, LoL)
Soderbergh makes crappy gfilms and we all know why.he is a shithead and now we should all make sure to boycott him.i think i will just have to go and make a post on his imdb page.
anywyas i have not watched any of his newer films as none interest me and i hate the remakes he did.
and i no longer buy any new movies nor do i ever go to the theater casue i am boycotting hollywood,riaa,mpaa,etc.
i only buy used movies.screw you hollywood you suck
I wouldn’t worry about 60 minutes. No one pays any heed to left wing “news” programs like that. Their ratings have sucked wind for years.
This kind of misinformation is why we all need to do our part to show our side to the uninformed. The term “piracy” refers to making copies on disk, then selling those copies at a much cheaper price than in the store. The idea that selling movies is lucrative enough for organized crime to get involve is preposterous. We are not truly pirates, though we enjoy calling ourselves pirates because it pissed the industry off. We are file-sharers, and we do our part in the ad campaign for these companies by spreading the word about their products. It can be argued that we are increasing their revenues just as easily as it can be argued we are decreasing their revenues. The far greater toll is the permanent damage done when people’s lives are summarily and permanently destroyed because of these companies. While many believe that the old “eye for an eye” is much too harsh, this is like running over your family with a Mack Truck for taking a loaf of bread.
Was that fuze?
SHOCKING! You mean a television news show where all of the reporters were born in the 1920s or 1930s failed to properly grasp and present a modern day techonology?!
I saw this and while I felt it was a little off, it basically got the basics down.
Isn’t it obvious? Competition is all about consumer appeal and you can’t compete with something that is free and that requires zero effort on the part of the consumer (last time I checked, clicking a few buttons isn’t hard.) But then why don’t they embrace piracy? Are you serious? Because piracy prevents any creative effort or business venture from being viable.
As Lars Ulrich said, no one works for free, so why should artists or anyone that is affected by piracy?
And shouldn’t it? So called illicit file sharing is not only illegal but also deeply immoral. Further more, I wouldn’t call it manipulating so much as informing, because im guessing that most people who watched the show last night didn’t need much convincing to agree that taking something without paying for it is wrong. Most people probabaly just didn’t know how rampant online piracy has become. The moral quandaries of piracy speak for themselves. Pirates are very happy to advertise their so called freedom of information and yet when information about THEM makes it into mainstream circulation, they become uncomfortable.. Why is this? Piracy is a little like a vampire. It hides in the shadows of obscure technical terminology, because once it is exposed to the light of public opinion and moral decency, it begins to wither.
Do we really need numbers to convince ourselves of how large piracy has gotten? We’ve all seen the numbers for the most pirated movies. They are in the millions. Now, multiply them by the average price of a movie.. say $10.. I think it should come out to something close.
That question isn’t really necessary. As I said, piracy speaks for itself. It is implied that such people choose to pilfer their entertainment because they have no regard for the laws of society or the hardwork of others. People pirate simply because it’s easier for them.
If they were potential custemors, they would go out and buy movies like everyone else. Laziness isn’t an excuse to avoid payment. Furthermore, there are many legit online options available for movie and music downloading. There’s Itunes, netflix, and even xbox live.. Yet the popularity of these services is tiny in comparison to piracy.
Hey guys, I’m wondering, would it be more difficult for the organized crime syndicates such as the MAFIAA if there was an option to “only connect to peers outside your country” or is there a client already like that?
If you go and watch the whole 60 Minutes episode Soderbergh goes on to say that A list movie stars still make the same amount of money no matter how many people download movies, the real that suffer are the people behind the scenes. DER this is exact problem, the movie stars should get a lot less money and the people that work behind scenes should make more.
No you dload movies for free cause you want something for nothing with no effort.
Stop trying to pretend you are an internet pioneer or you freedom to bootleg stuff is being violated.
1person selling 1million or 1million people dloading 1 copy?
net result 1million free films?
Oh yah I forgot you then go out and but it, but any movie director that disagrees with you, well autiomatically they are stupid and a dickhead and their filsm suck, guess you’ll be torrenting “100 free knitting patterns”, then?
Anyone know what Vuze plugin he is using for the Pool graph? I want it, thanks 60 minutes!
I just had a bowel movement. Why is this not being reported as well? I mean its the same shit.
“What bothered us the most is that the item conveniently mixed file-sharing with commercial piracy, while linking it to organized crime, human trafficking and child prostitution.”
How do you think the people engaged in these acts get their films>?
They “share” them with you.
They use YOUR uploads that you crack whilst giving the finger to the man to fund illegal acts.
They mave have tried to confuse the issue by mixing “innocent” fileshare leeching freeloaders with commercial pirates, the result the same tho.
Kieron Sharp, FACT Director General, said: “The illegal factory in Southall would have been capable of generating a criminal profit in excess of £1 million per week and we know there are dozens of such factories operating across London and in other cities in the UK. FACT is working in partnership with the City of London Police and the Metropolitan Police to take out those criminal organisations and individuals who are seeking to profit from this illegal trade.”
Executive Producer of Quantum of Solace, Callum McDougall, said: “We have a hugely valuable film industry here in the UK, and we have to do whatever we can to make people aware of the impact of purchasing fake DVD’s or illegal downloads.
Kieron Sharp, FACT Director General, said: “The illegal factory in Southall would have been capable of generating a criminal profit in excess of £1 million per week and we know there are dozens of such factories operating across London and in other cities in the UK. FACT is working in partnership with the City of London Police and the Metropolitan Police to take out those criminal organisations and individuals who are seeking to profit from this illegal trade.”
Executive Producer of Quantum of Solace, Callum McDougall, said: “We have a hugely valuable film industry here in the UK, and we have to do whatever we can to make people aware of the impact of purchasing fake DVD’s or illegal downloads.
Kieron Sharp, FACT Director General, said: “The illegal factory in Southall would have been capable of generating a criminal profit in excess of £1 million per week and we know there are dozens of such factories operating across London and in other cities in the UK. FACT is working in partnership with the City of London Police and the Metropolitan Police to take out those criminal organisations and individuals who are seeking to profit from this illegal trade.”
Executive Producer of Quantum of Solace, Callum McDougall, said: “We have a hugely valuable film industry here in the UK, and we have to do whatever we can to make people aware of the impact of purchasing fake DVD’s or illegal downloads.
Obviously FACT are lying and are just paid by BFI & Hollywood to purport internet fiction, so you can feel better about your copy of Inglourious Basterds
Seeders, peers? WTF?
I thought it was done wiz magic?
Non? :(
Yes, I have to work on my copy & paste skills. Forgive me, I am a moron.
Buttheads…
advertizing ,, cool ,, our swarm grows ;)
Of course no one who knows anything gets their “news” from the mass media with the invention of the internet. I still can’t believe that they said the internet was created by Al Gore.
They lie, cheat, steal, blackmail, price-fix, bribe and spy on us without a court order…
60 minutes of propaganda is tame for the greedy MAFIAA pigs… and as usual, won’t change a damn thing!!! :D
Another fine epic fail by the MAFIAA!!
isnt it hilarious how these morons are amazed by this simple technology.. like OMGZ.. DOWNLOAZ?
oh and he was wrong, each one of those things does NOT represent a ‘person’.
The anti-P2P lobby has for years been linking file-sharing to every sort of evil imaginable. Organized crime, international terrorists, child molesters, whatever.
It’s refreshing to see that TorrentFreak is not blindly swallowing the Kool-Aid as other P2P “news” sites have been known to do.
http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=525
another stupid ad sponsered video
god I hate em
the ads are getting longer and longer at the begining. This one has another ad about a minute or so in! Sorry folks but switching to an ad-sponser model just wont cut it either, sorry to say I want it all free, now, no ads. yep news, music movies whatever! Rant over
What mainly confused me about the original article is the idea that organised crime moving into DVD piracy in countries such as US. In the US DVD piracy in the sense of people selling copies of films on the streets is to my knowledge nonexistent. So the only thing it could be suggested that they are doing is selling wholesale to retail stores but then the article starts to talk about cams?
I think we should blame Al Gore, he’s the one who invented the internet.
Propaganga? Seriously? So then this place is propaganda because it shows one sided stories, information, and biased views on “their” reasons.
I like bittorrent as much as the next person. But come on, is this really news?
Is it necessary to report every little blunder by big business?
Or is this place hard up for ratings?
Must be nothing going on at the Bay… oh wait its getting DDoSed at the moment, lol!, so everybody needs something to laugh at.
I HAVE THE SOLUTION!!!
If everyone could use BT without threat of litigation… the only place that would sell DVDs would be the shops that have legal copies, this would destroy the black market and stop any funding of organized crime.
In other words, the MAFIAA are helping piracy to be something that can fund organized crime by attacking us.
Irony.
It really comes down to the FCC looking at network neutrality. The line “the best we can hope is to slow them down” should really concern you though. Total BS if you ask me.
@31 If he’s right and every one of those green lines is a person then seedboxes should be given equal rights under the law.
Oh! Why I am not surprised?
CBS is owned by Rupert Murder the parasite who also owe Fixed News.
This is one of the 7 corporations of parasites and criminals who must be eradicated before we can say bye bye to freedom and the US constitution.
Now things are clear concerning 60 minutes credibility and it’s relationship with Fox noise and their extreme right propaganda.
An MPAA victory?
I wonder how many people still rely on TV broadcast and cable for their news and how many still believe what the old foggy mass medias tell them.
Personally I get my info from internet since a while already.
> Soderbergh said he wished the Internet was never invented
What more could you wish him to say? It’s honest and unveiling.
You know, I wouldn’t have minded if they gave the actual facts. Instead, they lump us in with paedophiles. I don’t know how these people even have a shred of respect left.
I never liked the MPAA, but now they disgust me. They rank just below stepping in a fresh dog turd on my list.
@21 Anon
Oh, stop changing your screen name to try to make people believe that this forum is infested by parasites such as yourself.
We know that there is only one of you.
But since you are there tell your boss that we are coming soon with the pest killer for them.
‘Soderbergh said he wished the Internet was never invented. “Piracy is costing Hollywood $6 billion a year at the box office”‘
This guy can’t be serious. I would rather have access to the internet for one month than a lifetime of access to every film ever made.
I had the displeasure of catching this segment on TV the other day. The amount of misinformation and propaganda was so overwhelming it made me furious! The scary thing is that John Q. Public is eating this up and will gladly join in todays witch hunt against “downloaders”… just as soon as they are done panicking because they haven’t been able to find someplace to get their H1N1 vaccine shot yet, like the TV said they should.
Never mind the gory details about the MPAA hitmen hiding and spying in movie theaters ready to take out anyone and their family that might even possibly be using a video camera. Boggles my mind that people still insist on going to movie theaters.
…adds 10 more movies to torrent downloads… lol
…adds 10 more movies to torrent downloads… lol
all i have to say is…
ITS NOT A FUCKING CONE!
All this information coming from a show with zero credibility. Move along folks nothing to see here.
If anything, drug cartels, that is if they are camming movies, should be upset with torrents, since people get free copies of the movies they cam. How can downloading a movie for free support these guys? Hint: They need money to shuttle drugs around.
(flip over for answer)
?,u?? ??
Well, the upside down text failed, so here you go: It can’t
Makes me want to seed more
@Nov 03, 2009 at 02:15 by Nathan:
We sure can take our relative knowledge, intelligence and wisdom for granted sometimes, ay?
The world is rife with “John/Jane Q. Publics”. We see it every day. That’s in part why our world is the fucked up way it is.
I wish I could live for about 500 or so more years just to see if our race lasts that long, because I have my doubts. :/
LEARN TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CONE AND A CYLINDER YOU MISOGYNISTIC BUMSPLAT
Complaint filed: http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/feedback/fb_news_form.shtml?tag=ftr
God forbid they make 19.9 billion dollars if they made 20 billion last year…Greedy fuckers
did he just advertise for downloading movies “You can get a full feature length movie in just minutes” Hmm ex MPPA telling us that must be good :)
I’ve just finished downloading up for my family, does this mean that we are all involved with child prostitution?
Just keep up the boycott, folks. They can engage in all the hand-wringing they want, just don’t reward their lies and attempts to change the laws of entire societies to fit those lies.
POOR, POOR AMERICANS – Most are brainwashed into believing that they live in the “land of the free”…. But nothing in the country is free, not good healthcare, no university. All big media controlle by the corporations.. Hollywood and constantly fed lies and propaganda news and false information about other countries. All while the whole world hates America more everyday.
Thank goodness there are some sensible people from the US on this site.
after my dad saw this he took away my computer, saying he doesnt want me involved with drug trafficing and prostitution. how retarded are these people.
Call me an idiot, but how is the movie industry supposed to compete when the alternative is to get movies for free? I’m not being snarky, I really want to know.
Whole 12Min Interview Without Commercials.
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=BJ2GPXWZ
@9
Yes so we pay to use our bandwidth to share the files for their own purposes… If I’m gonna pay for then they better be setting up seed boxes that support atleast 4Mb/s connections and thousands of peers at once. Otherwise they should pay us a portion of our internet fees or lower the price of their movies to compensate.
BLAME AL GORE ITS ALL HIS FAULT!
Thanks to 60 minutes, millions of people who never knew anything about file sharing are now downloading movies. LOL
I have to admit I liked his explanation. It was simple and effecent. I showed my friend this who is always asking me about this shit.
@22
http://azureus.sourceforge.net/plugin_details.php?plugin=3DView
It DOES NOT WORK WITH VUZE, you will have to find and DL the Az build it does work with if you want to use it…
@58
how did you manage to log on to TF to tell us that your dad took your computer??
@59
“Idiot”
(Sorry couldnt resist. to did ask for us to call you one!)
Thanx No53 for the feedback link I have just sent them this:
your recent programme on Torrent’s and downloading was very disappointing, if you were going to just spout off MPAA propaganda instead of facts you could have just said so, using already debunked reports that they funded themselves anyway and only having one side of the argument was bad enough but to lump torrent users in with organized crime and paedophiles is a disgusting act, and very close to the lies and propaganda of Nazi Germany against the Jews, to be honest I know you don’t care what I write I am just sad that some of you may have started your careers wanting to help and inform the people but now you just roll over and feed whatever crap your bosses tell you to feed to the public, you are PATHETIC.
Here is link to 60 minutes http://www.mininova.org/get/3110962
stupid maffia they never know when to stop.
Who would pay 5$ for a pirated movie when you can get it for free on the internet. i cant believe there is business in writing cams to disk.
Eerrr, please explain the logic? Since torrents are free, how did the so called organized criminals and terrorists make money?
Baffles the mind don’t it? hehe
Steven Soderbergh wishes that the internet had never been invented? what a complete hack asshole. Can you imagine a world where there was no internet & the only entertainment options were watching Steven’s consistently shit movies? boy, oh, boy would I love to shove my foot up his ass for even daring to have such a completely lame & moronic opinion as that.
After people at the cinemas wanted to frisk my 3 daughters i refuse point blank to go to a cinema ever again.
I am now tempted to start to download the films and watch them at home and i dont see why the movie industry does not offer this kind of service.
BUT all in a they can go and swivel i will not be treated like a criminal when i was a paying person.
Hey, how about a new take on 60 minutes crap?? I’m a mom, 53 yrs. old and was through with hollywood, excessively high prices and crappy product long before embracing bit torrent. There are many average citizens out there that may not be tech savvy who don’t exactly bleed for the “industry’s” losses. Could be the MIFIAA has shot itself in the foot again. Unfortunately for the greedmongers, people aren’t as stupid as they think. Out here where the world is folks still have common sense. But then, the MIFIAA wouldn’t recognize that trait.
pirate bay and publicbt appear down.
they sound like they really dont know what there talking about. this is proven by one guy saying that praters aren’t looking for quality, they ether didn’t want to mention or didn’t know about dvd rips. the only thing they focused on was recorded movies. oh and im guessing they didn’t want to talk about sonys little rootkit virus.
@19
“Because piracy prevents any creative effort or business venture from being viable.”
See http://nastyoldpeople.blogspot.com/ for refutation.
“Further more, I wouldn’t call it manipulating so much as informing, because im guessing that most people who watched the show last night didn’t need much convincing to agree that taking something without paying for it is wrong.”
That’s the lovely thing about downloading: nobody *takes* anything. Nobody *steals* anything. When a person steals a car or a loaf of bread, one person gains a car/loaf, and the other person loses it. When somebody downloads a film, the seeder and Hollywood producer still have their originals.
Nobody takes, but a lot of people receive… and you’d be hard-pressed to convince me that receiving something without paying for it is wrong. Grinch.
“Pirates are very happy to advertise their so called freedom of information and yet when information about THEM makes it into mainstream circulation, they become uncomfortable.”
Mixed metaphors.
“Do we really need numbers to convince ourselves of how large piracy has gotten? We’ve all seen the numbers for the most pirated movies. They are in the millions. Now, multiply them by the average price of a movie.. say $10.. I think it should come out to something close.”
Hardly a question of how many films have been downloaded… that’s largely irrelevant. Using those numbers to explain revenue loss falsely assumes that people are downloading movies *instead* of going to the theatre, when a pretty large number of people who download films probably wouldn’t have gone to see the movie at all had that been their only option.
Last time I was in a theatre a few weeks back, it was packed right full of people. Being lucky enough to live in a place without MPAA police, I rather enjoyed myself there. So did most of the others. It was a good film and I was happy to pay the admission fee.
“If they were potential custemors, they would go out and buy movies like everyone else.”
Bingo. So if they’re not potential customers… why is the movie industry worried about them?
We must expose them publicly. They use dirty politics, and they need to be called on it.
They belong in jail, and I don’t feel safe with pathological liars lose on the street paying off politicians, and handing out propaganda pamphlets and comic books filled with lies and misinformation, intended to brainwash our children.
These scum are the lowest of the low – SHARKS and Gangsters, playing victim.
Would you like to the Police?
Would you lie to the FBI/Interpol?
Would you lie to an Judge?
No wonder you got the name “MAFIAA”, when you lie to the public, the politicians, including the U.S. President and his elected staff?
Lying to the president is not punishable? We need to change a few laws. Get involved.
Now you may or may not agree with me on everything, but you have to agree, that lying to the President and his staff should be against the law.
@ 15
Yeah, let’s all go watch fox!
I agree that 60 minutes is terrible, but I disagree that considering it left wing (which it isn’t imo) doesn’t make it inferior. And it would be stupid to associate anti-piracy with the left. :/
I’m waiting for someone to release the video featuring subtitling that actually explains the facts.
Of course 60 minutes is going to offer a one sided view. I’m sure all of the record executives, lawyers and “stars” wined and dined the people that work with the television program and brain washed them. They do this all the time with politicians, lawmakers, etc.
Naturally, if the RIAA/MPAA were on the program and if 60 Minutes actually featured a balanced news program, the RIAA/MPAA would’ve bailed out and threatened to sue them because they were promoting piracy.
It’s all nonsense. Someone please torrent the program with subtitles that actually explains the true facts. We all need to see this.
@diarRIAA
Working on one, and have been all night. who knows when it will be ready though.
@neo.styles|nvDX
You had me until you said this:
‘As Lars Ulrich said, no one works for free, so why should artists or anyone that is affected by piracy?’
Lars by his own admission in the liner notes (and through interviews) admitted to making illegal copies of “classic albums” that the lead singer had by copying them to cassette tape. His excuse was, “I was poor.” So it’s ok for him to break the law but it’s not ok for someone else?
You should also remember that the reason why the band had such a huge following was they allowed people who attended their concerts to record them. (Think Greatful Dead, the same band that didn’t release a new album for like 10 years yet was making millions touring even though people traded tapes and got to hear other shows for “Free”.) This allowed trading and that got more people to hear them play. Read: Free advertisement by word of mouth. The RIAA got into their heads and their self destruction tour commenced. They are now a shadow of their former self, blaming their entire demise to theft.
It should also be pointed out (via this site) that alot of the money collected by the RIAA the artist have yet to see.
Sorry but the RIAA needs to die. I stopped buying their product years ago and now only support independent/creative commons artists.
The mpaa still doesn’t get it, I want to view programs when I want to in my home on demand, I don’t want to be forced to watch my program of choice months after it has been released in it’s country of origin on my Cable/Terrestial TV. My TV has been unplugged for years. I subscribe to the sports that I LIKE only, and get my news online, which is more varied and I can decide which biased news reporting to believe.
I don’t have to download movies ’cause my domicile is a third world country where ROM’s are 50 cents a pop, these ROM’s are often hawked right next to police stations, I love democracy, besides that’s what hollywoods crap is actually worth. The biggest pirating nations excluding internet, are in Eurasia, Middle East, Far East, South America, and Africa, I don’t see the mpaa/riaa making any issue in these countries of the 50cent ROM’s.
Besides there’s much more interesting non fiction programs to watch on youtube and the Net, i.e. Richard Dawkins on evolution, Christopher Hitchen’s wonderful oratories on the evils of religion, much more interesting than hollywoods crap.
so my middle finger is firmly extended to the stupid business model of the mpaa/riaa mafia extortionist idiots
Without the internet we would have three choices.
1) Buy Movie
2) Rent Movie
3) Never Watch except if it happens to be on TV
I will always opt for 2 or 3 I have never bought a movie. I may have bought a few Disney flicks out of the bargain basket for the kids in the VC days but have never bought a mainstream movie on disc and have not bought a music cd in over 20 years.
The industry may lose a small amount to potential buyers but no study can assess that because the correlation between download and lost sale is not known.
Even Google makes money off of traffic searching for downloads so they and all their stock holders also part of organized crime?
No cash is directly changing hands in file sharing I wonder who pays the rippers, up loaders, seeders, website costs etc. I spend plenty of time looking for, downloading and unpacking content so if your time is worth anything even file sharing is not really free.
What the RIAA and MPAA will have to come to realize is that in the digital age, content has become a commodity and commodity pricing applies the days of premium pricing for discs be it music or movies is over.
@15
60 Minutes is “left wing”? What bizzaro universe do you live in?
@71
He he he.
How can you feel bad for ANYONE wearing a suit? Are you fucking serious? You made SLIGHTLY less PROFIT? Didn’t even lose money, but made slightly less PROFIT. You pieces of shit. I make practically nothing each month, struggle to get by. While I’m getting free couches off craigslist you’re sitting in 1000 dollar ones. Fuck you, I hope you’re financially devastated so much that you’re at least brought down to my level you sick fucks.
How can anyone feel bad for these rich piece of shit businessmen?
3D view works fine with Vuze at least when using the classic UI.
60 Minutes look like the sellouts they obviously are with this “report”.
Another artcile on 60 minutes lameness.
http://techdirt.com/articles/20091101/1818186751.shtml
I wonder what the trend is for profits on movies from previous years. How much did movies made prior to 2004 make in 2004? How much did movies made prior to 2009 make in 2009?
I have a theory that the availabilty and ease of DVD rentals/purchases, PPV and legal downloads, as well as being able to watch them in increasingly higher quality at home (better TVs, sound systems, no ridiculous theater prices, and no full body search), have caused a significant increase in profits for older movies and therefore for movies in general.
My point being that how much money a movie makes in it’s year of release may not be as relevant as how much it makes overall. Box office earnings may not be all that relevant anymore.
Anyone know?
What ulrich said may have made him a personally a hypocrite, but his point stil stands. How can anyone make any money if people just download their stuff at no cost? This is why payment was invented. Jesus, probabaly the most obvious thing here..
Burn Hollywood Burn.
60 Minutes go to hell.When did you guys start running INFOMERCIALS for Big Corporations?
Sadly, that’s true.
Filesharing and organized crime go together.
There’s no P2P network safe from MPAA/RIAA/IFPI’s criminaly organized damage nowadays.
MPAA/RIAA
didn’t they have a movement in a place – called “JONESTOWN” Guyana some years back …
just a few of MPAA/RIAA followers … just drank the Koolaid or were shot because they didn’t believe.
Line ‘em up …
HE TOOK HIS FAMILY TO A MOVIE?
THAT RAT BASTARD
Honestly if I was a non techy person watching 60 minutes.. They sold me on the idea. Seriously the guy made it sound like its all these people doing it, then BAM you got a movie in minutes. So why the hell am I buying movies now?
Good job MPAA convert the rest and we will have more followers
let´s call it a cone from now on,gets them even more confused.
I think it shows how out of touch 60 minutes is if they think people still buy bootleg tapes off the street. Because you can get bootleg’s for free on the internet, sales of bootleg DVD’s have to be almost zero. People that used to buy bootleg tapes in the 90s either use bittorrent now, or netflicks.
great vid! mpaa knows their stuff!
I can’t believe that Hollywood employees are so narrowminded to see the huge potential of bittorrent technology. Instead of embracing this revolutionary piece of technology they try to transform it in something evil and illegal. Are you insane people. Right now I’m looking at the figures on btjunkie.org and they say like this:
Todays Torrents: 1,265
Total Torrents: 4.03mil
Total Trackers: 15,245
Total Seeders: 41.47mil
Total Leechers: 31.38mil
Do you even bother to read this numbers. Don’t you think that this is a bussiness opportunity and not some global crime movement. Do you not create your movies for the people? Than why don’t you adapt to the way people choose to watch this movies?
You give your money to the MAFIAA organization instead of investing in signing deals with the ISP all over the world. I won’t mind paying another 20-30% to my monthly internet subscription if this allows me to download from you the movies I like. You will have than tens of millions of new customers and your so called loses will turn in huge earnings. Don’t you see that the MAFIAA is not defending you it’s just shielding you (hollywood)from investing in this technology because then their part will be over. WAKE UP HOLLYWOOD AND DON’T LET YOURSELF DECEIVED ANYMORE!!!!
Thanks to the RIAA/MPAA-asses for promoting Bittorrent. Let’s smoke a spliff to it, and seed some torrents :D
First of all, you have the wrong greedy bastard Aussie owning CBS – Murdoch owns FOX. Sumner Redstone owns CBS / Viacom / Paramount.
And I’m sorry, all of you who want to say that a download is just the same as somebody buying a bootleg DVD off the street, are full of crap. It’s nowhere near the same. Every independent study that’s not being funded by a trade protection group shows that the people who download music & films actually spend MORE money than the average person who doesn’t download those things. They tend to be more aware consumers, that’s it. Not the same as buying a pirated DVD that secretly funds the Yakuza’s white slavery operations at all.
Who even CARES if Hollywood and the big record companies go bust…???
There’ll always be indie stuff made — and people who are artists because they love art, not to get filthy rich.
Less Hollywood propaganda and less commercialised Junk-music will be GOOD for the world.
Maybe people could then even start thinking for themselves and develop some good taste.
User A has downloaded 40 movies this year. Lets punch numbers because he would have bought them if torrents were not available. Delusional Idiots. It’s not black or white.
@101
+1
I watched this and it sounded positive, he said we cannot stop it, only slow it down. And the millions lost are from people who make copies and covers and sell them on the street for $5. Also he commented on the quality is what suffers, that the cams are not good quality, but admitted people that buy them for $5 dont care about quality.
idea / food for thought…
if a small public domain document lets say a BIBLE were distributed in as many future torrents as possible…
how would this affect those bit torrent monitoring companies?
i ask because joining a swarm would then not necessarily mean that you were after the REAL content, additional monitoring by them would be required. a bit like downloading the familiar demonoid text file.
extending this concept further, having mega packs containing many REAL and FALSE content could be the way to go.
In addition I think falsely nameing torrents such as johnsholidaypics could provide more plausible deniability
@62
“after my dad saw this he took away my computer, saying he doesnt want me involved with drug trafficing and prostitution. how retarded are these people.”
sucks to be american
The program he use is Azureus (Not Vuze) with this plugin: http://azureus.sourceforge.net/plugin_details.php?plugin=3DView
I can’t get it to work with Vuze, so you need download an old client to use it.
hahaha…just watched the 60 min special. I like how they go right to “drugs, etc..” profiting off these movies. Then it goes to the internet saying its in the same both. How would a drug dealer profit off uploading movies to the net??
Was there a cone inside the cylinder? or can’t this man recognize basic solids?
“Perhaps Hollywood should start to see the millions of illegal downloaders as potential customers instead of thieves.” Next time a shop owner should not call the police but realize he is dealing with a ‘potential customer’ When someone breaks into your home, you should realize he is ‘a potential friend’ or even a ‘potential neighbor’ When someone steals your iPod, he could potentially become the worlds greatest DJ. Give him your iTunes account login info too…
all criminals are potential buyers, husbands, rock stars, rocket scientists. So love em. Love em all!
best bittorrent howto ever
WELL,
- downloading the movies etc. in question is illegal by current law, but isn’t it at the same time ‘right’ for people with too little money?
AND:
- it is legal, when some people (f.e. in hollywood) make millions a year, while others make so little that they can hardly survive. that’s the current law… but is this law ‘right’, then?
6 billion in losses from piracy could have something to do with little thing called a recession and loss of jobs why would you spend 50 bucks taking the family to the movies when you cant pay your mortgage and food bills mpaa propaganda at its best lol
“Who want to watch these camcorder movies ?”
“Cause they don’t want to give out any money for it”
I laughed here when they also started about buying cammed movies.
I mean wtf, nobody is gonna pay up for a cammed movie on DVD.
I laughed at those fall-ins at DVD piracy.
We have BitTorrent for god sakes, who would still buy crooked DVD’s >_>
Or they’re really sneaky, or really outdated.
It’s all about BluRays too now xD
@111
In Europe, we are _allowed_ to downloading music and movies.
Games is illegal here though, but mostly I buy my shit legal anyway.
We use cracks to play multiplayer at my home anyway.
@61:
“POOR, POOR AMERICANS – Most are brainwashed into believing that they live in the “land of the free”…. But nothing in the country is free, not good healthcare, no university. All big media controlle by the corporations.. Hollywood and constantly fed lies and propaganda news and false information about other countries. All while the whole world hates America more everyday.
Thank goodness there are some sensible people from the US on this site.”
You are right, but it is not that different in other countries… if it comes to brainwashed people. (But you know this, i am sure)
@19 .neo.styles|nvDX
‘Competition is all about consumer appeal and you can’t compete with something that is free and that requires zero effort on the part of the consumer (last time I checked, clicking a few buttons isn’t hard.)’
Monopolies don’t compete for the sole reason that they are monopolies.
But if they want to get file sharing piracy to manageable levels they actually have to compete, what with the mindset already being firmly set to virtually free and cheap substandard quality.
‘But then why don’t they embrace piracy? Are you serious? Because piracy prevents any creative effort or business venture from being viable.’
Disregarding the less then stellar technic of answering your own question, you at least ought to answer it correct.
Piracy as in illegal file sharing, is only illegal because it’s not legal, in some countries. That doesn’t mean it could’ve staid legal, but administered and controlled by media corporations, especially considering the supposed fact, one that you’ve trumped before, that all them “illegal” file sharing sites are making tones of cash from ads.
‘As Lars Ulrich said, no one works for free, so why should artists or anyone that is affected by piracy?’
Disregarding the fact that even famous artists do charity work, so does millions of other people including the less known artists, and for most, especially for people in the open source community and all content creators that want their stuff in digital format to get pirated, piracy, as in “illegal” file sharing, is positive.
neo troll:
“Isn’t it obvious? Competition is all about consumer appeal and you can’t compete with something that is free and that requires zero effort on the part of the consumer”
Quick! Go tell that to Apple so they can start making iTunes fail! Because its success invalidates your argument. And we can’t have that.
neo troll:
“no one works for free”
Yes. Why, just for example, the concept of freeware is actually a clever hoax.
neo troll:
“And shouldn’t it? So called illicit file sharing is not only illegal but also deeply immoral”
A lecture on legality and morality is amusing coming from some one who is paid by the copyright industry to troll filesharing sites with the same small and extremely flimsy collection of lies ad infinitum. Not only is file sharing LEGAL in many regions, making it squarely not illicit, but sharing is considered to be a rather classical moral virtue.
This is in stark contrast to the greed, lies, and extortion practiced by the industry you are a mindless shill for.
neo troll:
“If they were potential custemors, they would go out and buy movies like everyone else.”
If they went out and bought movies like everyone else* then they would be normal customers, not potential ones, you amazing specimen of density.
*Hmm… But according to you, I thought everyone else was downloading them?
neo troll:
“How do you think the people engaged in these acts get their films>?”
How gullible do you think we are? Commercial pirates get their films the same way they did before the BitTorrent protocol was ever an idea in the back of Bram Cohen’s mind. It wouldn’t matter to them if filesharing ended tomorrow. Even if you’re willing to believe FACT’s laughable BS that commercial piracy is oh so profitable(if it actually were, the film industry would adopt the same low price high volume model, among other things).
I liken this to a hurricane that is bearing down on their beach front property. They refuse to leave and the houses they have built on sand are going to be washed away.
We’ve freed the slaves and the women, its about time to free the knowledge.
@19
you’re a capitalistic whore who only think about one thing… MONEY MONEY MONEY. No wonder that with millions like you walking around, the world is progressively becoming controlled, restricted, “managed” all for your own benefit and a bunch of printed papers you call money. You cannot restrict or control information. The moment you try to do so, you become a dictator. Instead of changing your “models” to fit the new technology, you try to wage war on information flow and dictate who is or isn’t allowed to have it. Sounds like the exact similar situation when the printing industry was first invented and idiots like you tried to control its information flow. We all know how hard it failed and this is no different
that was f*cking hilarious
Why is everyone getting their panties in a twist over this? The people who actually WATCH 60 Minutes anymore are not much younger than Morley Safer, and more than half of them don’t even have a computer. So the industry message fell almost completely on clueless, aging ears.
so let me see if i got this straight…..if i download a movie, i am helping to rape children????
hmmmmmm…….what about terrorism? cant we be linked to osama bin laden too?
or maybe we could be in league with the late john gotti becuase we download.
ohhhh and i bet satan is involved somehow too. lol, what a crock.
i’m not from the u.s and i have to say that if i didn’t know more about p2p than i do i would have certainly be scared by that prog.
because it was actually REALLY scary.
they make you think that the people using p2p networks are ALL dangerous criminals,that after you’ve downloaded a film you would go down the street to kill/rape/abduct someone,or you would sell drugs to kids.
for someone who doesn’t know anything about the subject,it’s going to scare them to death…really!
i just hope that prog isn’t followed by a lot of people over there.
peace to all.;)
haha cool video :D
Lol!
Flamed @19!
I could sit here and refute every statement you made, but unfortunately i have to go to WORK!
Despite the fact I work bloody hard, i could never afford to watch every new movie i wanted, or play every new game i wanted. I cant believe your still making the same retarded point about every pirated copy being a lost sale =P
Various Artists have also started releasing they’re own content online…for FREE!! Trent Reznor for example – but there are plenty of others as well! Do your research muppet!
This isn’t the first time 60 minutes has covered piracy….
everybody, look for a clip labeled “Who Stole Superman?” from 1979. The MPAA was paranoid back then about people using VHS recorders.
If they put out anything worth seeing, I’d be happy to shell out 10-15$ for it. Only thing worth paying for recently is Zombieland.
The rich people are just afraid of loosing money to the people that they have made poor. Cry me a f-king river, I can’t wait for some 70 year old to come and ask me to get em a copy of some John Wayne movie now. LOL
I was flipping through channels and saw this come on so i did watch it. It was amusing when they talked about how the “behind the scenes” hollywood workers were the ones taking the hit from piracy. They admit flat out, that they care less about these people than about the actors (rather than everyone taking a paycut).
I find Netflix to be the best alternative. The movies aren’t pre-release content, but at least you can still rip dvd’s to the computer. About the same price as a VPN and the mailman saves me my bandwidth for d/ling games. Any word on BluRay ripping?
@19
your basically an idiot, or CBS reporter who needs to pull his head out
@25
Stop Trolling
comment #19, neo styles, among other comments says file sharing is illicit and immoral.. wow, must be nice to always be the smartest one in the room… and it’s immoral too.. not only are you the smartest guy around you are the one we should listen to for moral guidance..Listen up Numb Nuts..File sharing has been around for as long as there has been an internet!!! the free exchange of thoughts and ideas is what built the world wide web.. We are a better world through sharing.. It wasn’t that many years ago the Hollywood Moguls were forcing out the smaller studios, even using hired thugs to destroy sets and threaten families.. Now the Major Studios are owned by people that make refrigerators and TV sets, magazine companies, and amusement parks.. so you tell me..Which is the bigger crime?
Wow what retarded junk.
Besides, if people don’t pay for movies, THEIR MONEY GOES SOMEWHERE ELSE. It’s simple mathematics. If you have to choose between a movie and another product (not “intellectual property”), would the economy be worse if you choose the latter?
Why?
Of course it would be worse to the corporate shitfucks in the intellectual property industries who want to get money for nothing, since redistributing movies is CHEAP AS HELL. Revenue is almost the same as profit for those fucks.
But it would be better for the manufacturer of the second product, so the economy DOES NOT go down.
Those pieces of shit need to realize that the economy does not equal the MAFIAA’s revenue.
Fact is, people SPEND their money ELSEWHERE, and what’s having both products going to hurt anybody? It’s not like they could even HAVE paid for both… so having both (due to piracy) doesn’t hurt anyone, except the shitfucks who live in a delusion.
If you have to choose for a movie and something else to part with your money, and you choose the latter, the MPAA won’t get your money, so what’s pirating going to hurt them?
People spend their money. FACT. Whether they spend it on the MPAA or something else is irrelevant.
And the news industry wonders why most folks get their news from the Daily Show instead of actual news broadcasts.
@127 Re: “So the industry message fell almost completely on clueless, aging ears.”
The problem with that though is those folks are the ones more likely to call up their congressmen and depend something be done.
BTW you right-wing advocates, it’s the left wing who has valued more freedom than your beloved right-wing dumb fucks like McCain who want to censor the internet. Figure that out, huh?
Oops, forgot to mention that I would love to see all torrent trackers drop their collections of 60 minutes from their database. Either that or recategorize them as Comedy.
Lets all weep for Sony and Disney and Time Warner, perhaps there is federal money available, oh wait, the insurance companies and banks were already invested in the motion picture industry, how bout a 60 minute edition on how the major studios scammed the American taxpayers out of bailout money because their motion picture projects tanked at the box offfice!!! Soderberg says small indies will suffer… Join the real world moron… thats what happens when you turn out a product that SUCKS.. its called free market competition.. funny how that fickle consumer says “take this crap and shove it”… they just don’t understand the “artistic process” Why would we expect anything different from the MPAA? By the way I see Nicolas Cage had to sell his castle in Bavaria and he is now discounting several homes in the USA cause times are tough… those poor movie stars, whats next? No private jets? No Limos? might have to shop for themselves and learn real world economics!!!! OMG
I like how he admitted that the US has shitty broadband.
I never watch 60 Minutes, it’s so biased on everything it reports and besides, it’s a boring show anyway.
To Neo Styles
After so many of tirades posted by you and your fellow corporate troll, Reasoned Mind; I have to conclude you are both very naive or corporate stooges paid to troll sites like these to spread your corporate propaganda.
“Because piracy prevents any creative effort or business venture from being viable.”
Internet file sharing has been proven several times that they actually promote creativity and increased sales; as most file sharers are of the “try before you buy” variety.
“So called illicit file sharing is not only illegal but also deeply immoral. Further more, I wouldn’t call it manipulating so much as informing, because im guessing that most people who watched the show last night didn’t need much convincing to agree that taking something without paying for it is wrong. Most people probabaly just didn’t know how rampant online piracy has become. The moral quandaries of piracy speak for themselves.”
Internet file sharing is only being called illegal because Big Business wishes it so. Unfortunately, they have corrupted governments around the world that they can get what they want. For the most part the majority of the public are ignorant on the aspects of file sharing. So unfortunately they take anything at face value when spouted off by Big Business and politicians in the media about the so-called evils of internet file sharing.
What this piece on 60 Minutes shows (and on our local news media too) is that there is no integrity in journalism today. It has been bought by Big Business to manipulate the public to doing what they want.
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/feedback/fb_news_form.shtml
USE IT
this is all bullshit mpaa can suck a dick
Great read, lol at some of the comments.
US isn’t about freedom anymore it’s only about money.
<3 from europe.
thats some crappy journalism
http://piratesagainstpedos.co.cc/
These 60 minutes dummkopf forgot to factor in the miscellaneous losses from other media. With the rise of videogames and online flix streaming (Netflix), people now have a variety of means to access their entertainment.Organized criminals and terrorists get their money elsewhere, such as prostitution, people smuggling, drugs and Wall Street.
Wheres the torrent for this? I wanna watch…
that’s called a cylinder dumb bastard.
i think they assume they deserve money for every download of any of their material. they think that if everybody stops pirating any of their work, that everyone will pay for all of things people were downloading and their profits jump.
I don’t think the MPAA really understands who can afford to pay for all they are downloading.
Is 60 Minutes part of the industry though?
Is the Oscars Awards like giving yourself an award?
Anyway, the last time I was in a theatre (about 5 years ago– and it was sort of an “indie reperatory”) the volume seemed a bit too cranked.
From what I understand, many who attend loud concerts and clubs, etc., actually lose some of their hearing.
Speaking of movies, and old ones, recall the Ship of Fools: Well, I often feel like I’m trapped on one in everyday life… I get the feeling that some people would be more than happy to have everyone be a slave for them and have them do precisely what they want.
Something to think about that as you work your 9-5.
America was founded in part on slavery.
Imagine that.
…and many other instances of slavery around the world and far back in history.
Can you even reason with people like those?
I for one always remember to import a 3rd world sex slave for every 10 movies I download….
Is that enough to please the MPAA or do I have to try harder?
You can’t compete with free
I can’t seriously listen to a guy that can’t tell the difference between a cone and a cylinder.
Well, shit, i think one of those green things on the outside was me
so is anything being done to get 60 minutes to retract that misleading piece? or at least to get them to show the other side of them?
just kinda curious.
“I for one always remember to import a 3rd world sex slave for every 10 movies I download….”
Holy hell, that’s hilarious.
@20 and @92
Lars Ulrich is a complete tool-bag anyways, who cares what comes out of his stupid ass mouth
piracy doesnt stop creativity. that is just an excuse.
the problem isnt in the west, the problem is in asia, there are so many poor people, and in china they make dvds with 16 movies on a dvd anad sell them all over aisa for $1.50
but its easier to go after americans and europeans that are nothing compared to what is goingon in asia.
“You can’t compete with free.”
BZZZZT, wrong! Care to try your luck again? :-)
AllOfMP3 proved conclusively that it is without a shadow of a doubt abso-friggin-lutely possible to compete with free.
If that isn’t enough, I’ll just say what I’ve said a thousand times before. I’M A FILE SHARER AND I WANT TO PAY FOR MY ENTERTAINMENT! All the industry has to do is fulfill the consumer demand that has always been there and be willing to stop overcharging for everything.
Can’t compete with free? More like they don’t want to, even though they easily could if only they would put in a small modicum of effort. Laws instituting a sort of business welfare system is what their really after though, so more lies and baloney is all we’re going to see out of them for the foreseeable future.
The MPAA apparently assumes that people who download will not pay for content, which is grossly incorrect.
In response to fusseltier, while people profiting from piracy is the worst of all possible worlds, it might be more beneficial to the industry than they’ll ever admit. Selling bootleg copies exposes a different sector of society to a product, they could not otherwise see. Particularly if the material isn’t even released in the country, which happens more often than not.
They took our Jobs(c)South Park
THANK ALL THAT IS GOOD FOR TORRENT FREAK. Without you, a major part of internet freedom would be lost.
Just downloaded that episode :)
lots of points were inaccurate and false…..obviously the segment was financed by the MPAA….i don’t support selling DVDs on the sidewalk but including us file-sharing people with them is complete ignorance on the part of those people….
also liked the way the hostess of the show was surprised by the “gee-whiz” technology called bittorrent!!
university campuses are the dumbest places to do any p2p use on
Guy, please send your comments and frustrations to CBS:
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/feedback/fb_news_form.shtml
Also, check this: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091103/0303386776.shtml
This crummy episode is getting bad press, lets keep it up.
ya think truly CBS gives a shit
you need another hole in your brain.
Think these are seasoned people and reporters they been around look at past stories. Since the owner of that show died its gone right stupid.
too bad used ot get the odd ep that had an interesting story now its just tabloid hollywood crap like everythign else these days.
LIKE the politician dying on stargate i was like SPACE THE BASTARD they fuck us all the time…..
@62
WOW. Sucks.
I’m gonna have to see that airing now.
Another note: On occasion when I do grab a torrent of some movie (I mostly torrent tv episodes, books, and audio books), usually I watch it and then end up seeing it in the theatre with the GF or some friends…I wonder how common this is?
I’m glad 60 Minutes aired this piece. If file sharing is the uncontrollable wave of the present and future, then more exposure is a good thing.
Every time the MPAA opens its mouth, it harms itself. This prime-time piece is a good thing. It will bring more members into the fold.
Is there a link so I could download the whole report? I’d love to watch that again and again and again…
MPAA is evil
Piracy is good
MPAA sues regular people and make them pay millions of dollars for 30 mp3s
Piracy gives cultural access to poor people.
John Malcolm makes more than 20k a month fighting piracy.
These guys uses #lies to fight pirates likes here:
http://blog.brokep.com/2009/10/08/fail-in-nl/
These guys DONT WANT OUR GOOD
These guys JUST WANT TO MAKE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
These guys dont want FREE BLOGS LIKE THIS
These guys wants a WORLD THAT WE DO NOT WANT ANY MORE
These guys wants a WORLD THAT WE DO NOT BELIEVE ANY MORE
and now we all can join forces trough the internet AND FIGHT THEM BACK
we shall not flag or fail.
We shall go on to the end,
we shall fight in France,
we shall fight on the ef-nets and darknets,
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air,
we shall defend our Internets, whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the baywords.org,
we shall fight on the /. and on the digg,
we shall fight in the courts;
we shall never surrender,
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