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MPAA, RIAA, Major ISPs Preparing ‘Graduated Response’ To Piracy

A partnership between the RIAA, MPAA and the major ISPs, which would see the latter taking action against infringing customers, has been confirmed. If final agreement is reached – a point believed to be as close as next month – ISPs including AT&T, Comcast, and Verizon will begin taking increasingly severe measures against pirating customers.

As the Department of Homeland Security and ICE continue to seize the domain names of any site they believe to be engaged in infringement, wherever they may be, local approaches to illicit file-sharing are developing all over the world.

The mechanism preferred by the big recording and movie studios is the so-called ‘graduated response’ scheme, whereby Internet users are subjected to ever increasing punishments for their infringing behaviors.

Now, having faced resistance for so long, it seems that the MPAA and RIAA will get their way in the United States.

According to CNET, some of the country’s largest ISPs including AT&T, Comcast, and Verizon are close to striking a deal with Hollywood and Big Music to put in a framework of measures to progressively punish errant subscribers.

Although a final agreement is yet to be signed, plans are said to be “on track” and could be officially unveiled next month. The deal is believed to be structured as follows:

- Rightsholders track infringing Internet users and send notices to ISPs
- ISPs used this data to send warnings, called “Copyright Alerts”, to subscribers
- If subscribers fail to improve their behavior, further warnings will be issued

Eventually though, ISPs have agreed to get tough with customers who don’t heed warnings.

Sources quoted by CNET say that ISPs will be a given flexibility to select from a “menu” of sanctions, including throttling a subscriber’s connection through to limiting web browsing. One scenario would see the web almost completely removed, with access granted only to the top 200 websites. Other more gentle measures include copyright-awareness programs.

However, unlike the legislative changes already implemented in the UK, the range of sanctions in the US will not include the dreaded “3rd strike”, i.e complete termination of the subscriber’s account. Currently there is no mention of temporary suspensions either; they could prove a deal-breaker in this sensitive environment.

The agreements between the MPAA, RIAA and ISPs in the United States will be completely voluntary. The ISPs will insist that they are completely within their rights to amend their Terms of Service to accommodate such an agreement and will almost certainly do so quickly.

In March, during the House Judiciary Subcommittee hearing on Intellectual Property, Competition, and the Internet, it became increasingly clear that the US government would be backing voluntary agreements to deal with the subscriber end of infringement, rather than the legislative change approach favored for dealing with file-sharing and streaming websites.

“Voluntary cooperative solutions are a priority focus and we believe that, in combination with law enforcement action, voluntary actions by the private sector have the potential to dramatically reduce online infringement and change the enforcement paradigm,” said U.S. Intellectual Property Enforcement Coordinator Victoria Espinel.

“We will continue to push forward to encourage voluntary cooperative actions on multiple fronts. Our ultimate goal is to reduce infringement online so we will continue to assess our approach to ensure that it is as effective as possible.”

The costs of the ‘graduated response’ will be shared between the entertainment industries and ISPs, meaning that regular Internet subscribers will, as always, pick up the enforcement tab.

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  • Flying Dutchman

    I predict a massive increase in Encryption/VPN usage in the US when this pulls off.

    • GoldCard

      To me there just trying to push people into joining up with NetFlix, since it’s cheaper than most VPN’s. Threaten the masses with lower quality service and law suits, then try to push them in the direction of a low costing alternative to illegal file sharing.

      • Izkata

        NetFlix costs the same as the VPNs I’ve seen, there’s also free anonymous proxies (granted, only if you find one that’s find with torrents), and NetFlix is streaming – you have to wait for the video to download as you’re watching it, especially if your connection isn’t quite fast enough or has a tendency to drop for short periods.

      • Izkata

        Oh, and NetFlix doesn’t support Linux.

      • Noah C.

        NetFlix is a waste of time if you’re not looking to pirate movies, though.

        • brudda

          I agree – Netflix is a complete waste of time. Their entire streamable video offerings are smaller than ONE day’s worth of video uploaded to TPB. That’s pathetic! Fuck Netflix!

      • Noah C.

        NetFlix is a waste of time if you’re not looking to pirate movies, though.

      • Anonymous

        Honestly, I believe NetFlix is a great solution to the problem. It’s a perfect example of a free market solution. I have some gripes with NetFlix, but overall, it’s got a pretty decent selection and it doesn’t cost that much. What I’d like to see is them dropping Silverlight, since it’s so picky (doesn’t work on Linux or non Intel Macs and is a bit of a CPU hog sometimes). I would also suggest Netflix start to include a somewhat Youtube like scheme in the future, wheras indie film makers could upload their works and make a little bit of cash, kind of like how MP3.com used to be a number of years ago.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          A great solution would be one that REQUIRED studios to give their WHOLE CATALOGS to companies for streaming purposes at 720p at least.

    • Anonymous

      Most average pirates are waaaay too cheap and lazy to pay a foreign VPN subscription. And if Protect IP goes through, VPNs that are run “for piracy” will just get blacklisted anyway.

      I think graduated response is fine. If you are chronically pirating, you deserve to be throttled or face some other punitive restriction.

      • Anonymous

        Of course, that fits in nicely with your ideas on work camps and the third Reich.

        • Macramblings

          Godwin’s Law

        • Anonymous

          you, sir-or-madam, are an idiot

        • Anonymous

          you, sir-or-madam, are an idiot

        • Jen_burns2003

          Ok, *sigh* Let’s just get this straight: Nazis raped, tortured, gassed people, irradiated their gentitals, and impaled their babies. They did *not* ask them to stop downloading True Blood. Now, I’m all for piracy – but, dude! Quit throwing stupid around!

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Uh Jen….. seeing as how 81 people at this moment have agreed with him? He isn’t ‘throwing stupid around’…. he’s saying something that a lot of people take to heart and agree with.

      • http://www.facebook.com/felipepires Felipe Pires

        WTF. You’re such a NAZI motherfucker ! it doesn’t cost anything to SHARE something. They better muscle up thier business model and not be such fuckin bitches about it.

        • Anonymous

          I can see the argument from both ends.

          Now, there’s no doubt the media industry is corrupt as it can be and it doesn’t treat or compensate it’s artists and creators very well, and the marketplace is responding to changes in technology where copyright law is in obvious need of reform, as it’s begining to betray it’s own purpose.

          On the other hand, It does actually cost quite a lot to create content, even from an indie producer. It’s a nice thought that musicians, and other artists can just create endless free content, but that obviously is not doable, as it is more than a full time job to create quality art that people can enjoy.

          Solutions: Obviously, draconian fines, midieval law enforcement action, and bucking market trends are not the way to go. There IS a problem to be solved, but this should not be treated so much as a ‘criminal’ problem, so much as a market problem, requiring a market solution, rather than a ‘criminal’ one.

          It looks to me like netflix is a relatively decent market solution that so far appears to be working. Perhaps, even indie producers could create their own versions to compete for large players like Pandora or Netflix, just like with traditional labels (indie labels up to the majors).

          There’s no doubt that art needs to be funded somehow, but the methods are obviously changing, and it’s innovation to meet market demand that’s needed, not criminalizing the market trends that make certain business models obsolete

      • Calahil

        The issue here is, these companies are bypassing law organizations and declaring you guilty. Without a trial…without representation. Somehow corporations are vigilantes and we allowed it to get this far…

        • Anonymous

          not only that…. … …

          they are “”declaring you guilty”" for sharing something that can be endlessly copied ….. for nothing……

          Crime of the century…… Sharing worthless data on the internet…….

          FFS … these industries are making record profits with events….
          eg Hangover 2…. @ THE CINEMA….. ( an event / experience / night out)
          YET they STILL try to FORCE isp’s to punish people for sharing ….shit that can be copied…….

          ********** note to ISP’s…….

          These industries HAVE business models that make profits for them. ( some old , some new )

          Why punish YOUR customers …. For THEM and their greed ?

          They are in denial that they can’t sell us worthless products anymore.
          They will fight for the right to SCAM us , so we think their digital data is valuable and it is worth buying. It is not , everyone with rational mind knows it.

          We all pay for , events , services and experiences….. ( things with value, that can’t be copied endlessly )

          Enable them to scam us , punish us etc… We will route around it….
          And if that means we route around your business as OUR isp provider… so be it..

          AT&T, Comcast, and Verizon…… NO business is invincible or irreplaceable.

        • Razza

          @AnoiXioNa

          Damn straight. I’ll never pay a single red cent for any piece of culture ever again. So long as it can be infinity replicated, it is worthless. Their goods are worthless, and their services either suck, are overpriced, or for the most part, are just as worthless as their goods. No money for culture ever again.

      • Calahil

        The issue here is, these companies are bypassing law organizations and declaring you guilty. Without a trial…without representation. Somehow corporations are vigilantes and we allowed it to get this far…

      • no trolls

        ya your a troll get out of here.

        • Anon

          Razza, your shilling is terrible. Nobody does that reverse psychology thing anymore

      • no trolls

        ya your a troll get out of here.

    • omg

      or a complete change in the way we exchange our stuff

  • Rekrul

    Yes, the plan will be “voluntary” in that the ISPs can choose to punish subscribers, or have the government force them to do it. If enough ISPs refuse, then the laws will come.

    It’s like saying that cooperating with an armed robbery is voluntary because you can choose to hand over the money or get shot.

    And why do I get the feeling that this plan will be strictly “guilty until proven innocent”, with the innocent part being next to impossible to prove?

    • Anonymous

      Massive workload for these ISPs incoming. I predict AT&T, Comcast, and Verizon’s turnover rates to double at least. Glad I have a pirated wifi connection that uses an ISP called Insight Broadband.

  • Anonymous

    Just tell your isp to fuk off.

    Vote with your Ca$h , it’s all they understand.

    • Anonymousse

      How is that supposed to work when every ISP in your area does the same thing?

      • Anonymous

        This depends on which ISP’s choose this motive. Though Time Warner wasn’t listed in this article, they are still a viable threat to some casual pirates who will pay legally for products that deserve the money. In some cases, yes, threatening ISP’s to switch to a different company doesn’t seem like a bad idea, but not always will be the case, especially when competition in the states is losing ground. Take North Texas, where AT&T and Time Warner are about your only choices, with maybe an obscure area where Verizon is in the area. I believe a new one, called Clear, is around, but I think they’re rather small and could lose out to the big names, as small businesses are not favored at all by the current Government.

        • Anonymous

          South Texas is exactly the same, I can confirm that. There’s a few other choices for people in rural type areas, ClearBlue (or something like that) and one or two others. But they’re satellite ISP providers. Which means the signal is shoddy depending on the weather and the costs for service per month is ridiculous, especially since you are seriously limited in bandwidth consumption.

        • Anonymous

          Be hard to change companies where I live, where my Internet choices are 1) Comcast Cable Internet, 2) Verizon(Frontier) DSL, or 3) Dial Up.

          So if I don’t like what Comcast does, I have zero choice in the matter, unless I want to lose internet speeds.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

    They Just dont get it.
    Forcing people to use VPN to maintain privacy and an uncensored net costs the media companies’ customers money which leaves less money to buy their over inflated products.

    Net results even lower sales through lower disposable incomes and increased alienation of their customer base.

    their actions already have many people refusing to buy their products out of principle and those numbers will only increase

    • Anon

      Very few people will be using foreign proxies. Most pirates are too cheap and lazy.

      And if they do use proxies, a tiny little amendment to the law will be passed to reclassify proxies as ISPs and thus force them to perform the same graduated response as Time Warner or Comcast. If they don’t, they’ll be blacklisted.

      The people refusing to buy out of principle would refuse to buy almost every other product they use if they had the choice.

      - Don’t pay for Nike shoes due to child labor issues.
      - Don’t pay for gas because it’s bad for the environment and costs too much.
      - Don’t pay for McDonald’s since it’s giving everyone high blood pressure.

      etc.

      It’s pretty easy to justify “not paying on principle”. That’s why we have laws that force you to pay for things you take that are for sale. If we didn’t, hardly anyone would pay for anything.

      • Anonymous

        Most proxies and VPN’s will be foreign, your laws do not apply. Bye, bye.

        • Ven

          It will be an easy bill to pass blocking the IP ranges of proxy servers that don’t play ball.

        • Idlebyte

          In reply to Ven “It will be an easy bill to pass blocking the IP ranges of proxy servers that don’t play ball. ”
          Congress isn’t allowed to pass laws directed at individuals or companies by name or proxy.

        • Ven

          @Idlebyte

          I was referring to passing laws that gave IP-blocking power to bodies of law enforcement such as the DoJ or DHS.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Ven, still would be illegal because they would be targeting ONE company and that the services can have serious non-infringing usages.

      • Guest

        I need that higher blood pressure. But as for the rest, I agree.

      • Anonymous

        “It’s pretty easy to justify “not paying on principle”. That’s why we have laws that force you to pay for things you take that are for sale. If we didn’t, hardly anyone would pay for anything.”

        False. That infringes on civil liberty laws, not that it has stopped the government before. Take Obamacare, forcing to buy health insurance when we can’t afford it. You can’t force people to buy a product to buy something Government-approved. That’s how you break economies in the first place, and it only escalates further.

        • Razza

          You’re misunderstanding what he’s saying. He’s not saying that the government can force you to buy some specific good, like health care, he’s saying that if you are trying to get some specific good that someone else is selling for money, they can require you to pay money to get it.

          That said, I still won’t pay. I don’t really care about what the laws say. No money for culture, ever again.

      • Happyhappyjoyhjoy

        shut up you idiot your the worst troll ever

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        “And if they do use proxies, a tiny little amendment to the law will be passed to reclassify proxies as ISPs”

        Yes, except a tiny little alteration to the standard p2p engine will turn every user into an encrypted provider. Oh wait. that already happened. With no government interference possible without also breaking into the personal endpoint of every computer even suspected of passing prohibibet information. Somehow I can’t see that happening in a first world state.

        Any more trolling to provide?

  • Nobody

    USA shows its neo-fascist face increasingly clearly.

    • Anonymous

      I think the USA is on the way out these days. Take the results of the Paris airshow for example.

      Boeing has received contracts for 47 planes worth $7.5 billion with another $14.9 billion on provisional orders.

      As to Airbus they received contracts for 586 aircraft worth $55.8 billion with another $29.5 billion on provisional orders.

      Airbus made a deal with India’s IndiGo budget airline on Wednesday for 180 aircarft. They have just topped that huge order with a world record breaking 200 aircraft order with AirAsia. Their single aisle A320neo aircraft is in demand due to their fuel efficient engines making these aircraft cheaper to operate.

      I think Boeing are going to go home in tears this year with their rival selling 12.47 aircraft for their every 1. Those Boeing employees should start seeking jobs with Airbus who will soon be expanding operation.

      • Ven

        That is apples and oranges comparing Airbus to Boeing. Not only is business up for Boeing currently, but they debuted new craft at the Paris airshow and are considering updating the 777 and 737 lines of craft. Basically the Airbus model is the new thing, but that doesn’t make Airbus as a company superior to Boeing.

        The Paris Airshow statistics aren’t taking into account defense and other non-commercial contracts being made, as well as existing contracts being fulfilled. The airshow news is just a snapshot of ongoing business for both companies, and not indicative of market domination.

        It’s like saying a mom & pop diner is doing more sales than the McDonald’s Corporation: mind boggling news until you realize that I am talking about sales on Christmas where the diner was open and McDonald’s are not.

    • Anonymous

      I think the USA is on the way out these days. Take the results of the Paris airshow for example.

      Boeing has received contracts for 47 planes worth $7.5 billion with another $14.9 billion on provisional orders.

      As to Airbus they received contracts for 586 aircraft worth $55.8 billion with another $29.5 billion on provisional orders.

      Airbus made a deal with India’s IndiGo budget airline on Wednesday for 180 aircarft. They have just topped that huge order with a world record breaking 200 aircraft order with AirAsia. Their single aisle A320neo aircraft is in demand due to their fuel efficient engines making these aircraft cheaper to operate.

      I think Boeing are going to go home in tears this year with their rival selling 12.47 aircraft for their every 1. Those Boeing employees should start seeking jobs with Airbus who will soon be expanding operation.

  • Anonymous

    This will be a good thing in the end, the sooner we begin to encrypt all web traffic the better.

    • Rabbit80

      Encryption won’t necessarily help. The fact is when torrenting, your IP address is visible when you make a connection whether or not the connection is encrypted – the monitoring companies will still be able to harvest IP addresses.

      On the other hand, proxies and VPN connections give you a different IP address which may be based in another country. These are virtually impossible to trace if the VPN provider does not keep logs.

      What i don’t understand is why the law enforcement agencies are not fighting against these measures – if the internet becomes more secure and anonymous it will make their jobs much harder!

      • Anon

        There is no need for law enforcement to fight VPNs because hardly anyone uses them.

        If that changes, the foreign VPNs will be forced to comply with US regulations or be blacklisted from US customers. It isn’t complicated or difficult to imagine.

        • Anonymous

          VPN’s have too much legit reasons for existing. They don’t have to comply with anything because they follow the laws in their own country. Btw it’s so refreshing to hear that you are ok with the US forcing their laws on other countries. Time to start blacklisting the USA.

        • Ven

          “VPN’s have too much legit reasons for existing. They don’t have to comply with anything because they follow the laws in their own country. ”

          VPNs have great reasons for existing true, but they are already blacklisted for failure to comply with INTERPOL and other organizations hunting child pornographers. Just how great are those reasons to not log IP’s that our government is going to sit and let people distribute copyrighted materials behind them.

          I think we are commenting on an article about our government supporting graduated response on its citizens – and they care far less about foreign companies refusing to play ball with law enforcement.

          “Btw it’s so refreshing to hear that you are ok with the US forcing their laws on other countries. Time to start blacklisting the USA. ”

          This is diplomacy 101: tactfully working to strategically gain advantages over foreign powers. When other parties refuse to respond tactfully, they give you ammunition to swing public opinion and get these kinds of things done.

          And good luck blacklisting the USA: an enormous portion of internet surfing and trade is done to the U.S. sites. Try getting laws like that passed somewhere (anywhere) and see what kind of public outcry goes down. The kinds of nations that do that kind of thing currently (and can handle public outcry) are terribly underdeveloped military dictatorships.

        • JoselitoS

          I use VNP. And they are very helpfull for people in Iran, Siria …

        • Donny

          have another drink ray!

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        I advise googling “stealthnet”. This problem has already been solved. If need be, this or solutions like these are what will be used.

    • Anon

      Encryption doesn’t hide your IP or what you are file sharing.

      • Anonymous

        Sure it does numb nuts. You have to break the encryption to see what traffic it is and you can only see the IP of the VPN (so not your own US IP).

      • Anonymous

        Sure it does numb nuts. You have to break the encryption to see what traffic it is and you can only see the IP of the VPN (so not your own US IP).

        • Anonymous

          No. You just have to connect to the same torrent or file sharing protocol and you can see everything a seeder is sharing. Encryption does not stop that.

        • Anonymous

          ps. VPN =/= encryption. The PROXY of the VPN hides your IP. Encryption by itself does not.

      • stupid Anon

        Dude you are a fucking copyright troll I can smell you from here.

        Get the fuck out.

        • SomeAsian

          I think he may mean protocol encryption, which doesn’t hide your IP from other peers.

        • UBER-DONNY

          YA GET THE FUCKE OUT

      • Idiot

        You sir are an asshole , next time you think about making a post on here please engage your only brain cell first.

        • Anon

          Let me repeat it for you.

          ENCRYPTION DOES NOT HIDE IP.

          PROXIES HIDE IP.

          If you can’t understand those two basic points, perhaps you should take a look at your own shortcomings instead of trying to insult others.

      • The Merovingian

        “Encryption doesn’t hide your IP or what you are file sharing”

        Ok man, I can’t tell you whether or not this comment was made by a troll, was made sarcastically, or made in jest.

        I can only tell you that it is the single stupidest comment I’ve ever read – and I just wasted a whole seven minutes of my life laughing my ass off. Thanks mate!

        • Anonymous

          Why? It’s true. If you encrypt your bit torrent P2P traffic, you will still show your IP to everyone connect to the torrent.

          Jesus. Do you people know nothing about how your beloved piracy works?

      • DONNIE

        HAVE ANOTHER DRINK ANON

  • Gavinnorthants

    As long as the pirate bay remains in the top 200 websites I don’t mined!

    • Rabbit80

      Unless the block is IP based – then you might be able to access the pirate bay but not connect to any seeds/peers to do any actual torrenting!

      • Gavinnorthants

        Good point! Best not to get found out in the first place, by using a VPN then!

      • Gavinnorthants

        Good point! Best not to get found out in the first place, by using a VPN then!

      • Gavinnorthants

        Good point! Best not to get found out in the first place, by using a VPN then!

        • Anonymous

          You are so addicted to Big Studio movies and music you cannot stop yourself from continuing to rip it off.

          And yet pirates say they only pirate because the content is ‘worthless’.

          Right.

          If you like it so much you can’t live without it, why not support the people who invest in making it exist?

        • Anonymous

          @Anon
          The Supreme Court case of Dowling vs. US (1985) also makes clear that copyright infringement is not theft or stealing, so please refrain from statements like “ripping off rights holders” and similar ignorant statements.

        • Anonymous

          @Anon
          The Supreme Court case of Dowling vs. US (1985) also makes clear that copyright infringement is not theft or stealing, so please refrain from statements like “ripping off rights holders” and similar ignorant statements.

        • Ven

          @Anonymous

          “The Supreme Court case of Dowling vs. US (1985) also makes clear that copyright infringement is not theft or stealing, so please refrain from statements like “ripping off rights holders” and similar ignorant statements. ”

          Please stop misquoting Supreme Court cases.

          Dowling vs. United States was not a blanket ruling saying that copyright infringement is not theft or stealing. He didn’t even fight the copyright infringement charges brought against him. He was convicted under a interstate transportation statute, the wording of which required copies to have been “stolen, converted or taken by fraud.” The Supreme Court decided that he was not guilty of crimes under that statute. But you can read notes from the court on Wikipedia regarding the trial and its meaning. Here is a portion:

          “Since the statutorily defined property rights of a copyright holder have a character distinct from the possessory interest of the owner of simple “goods, wares, [or] merchandise,” interference with copyright does not easily equate with theft, conversion, or fraud. The infringer of a copyright does not assume physical control over the copyright nor wholly deprive its owner of its use. Infringement implicates a more complex set of property interests than does run-of-the-mill theft, conversion, or fraud.”

          The exact wording is that “interference with copyright does not easily equate with theft, conversion, or fraud.” That is not equivalent to saying copyright infringement is not theft. As their last sentence says, copyright infringement is merely a more complex case and should not be handled by the courts as just another theft. And this is what courts do now, consider circumstances surrounding the infringement instead of merely standing behind the letter of the law.

          So please stop spouting this case as if it were permission to pirate.

        • Anonymous

          “Article I, Section 8, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution empowers the United States Congress: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.”

          Copyright enforcement is written into the US Constitution. Cry more.

        • Ven

          @Anon

          Please start posting tactfully and intelligently if you want to defend such an extreme stance on the subject matter. What you are doing now only makes it harder for people like me to find open and honest discussion here.

        • Ven

          @Anon

          Please start posting tactfully and intelligently if you want to defend such an extreme stance on the subject matter. What you are doing now only makes it harder for people like me to find open and honest discussion here.

        • Anon

          “Please start posting tactfully and intelligently if you want to defend such an extreme stance on the subject matter.”

          I support the same stance as the President, Vice President, and government of the United States, the US Chamber of Commerce, labor unions, and the governments of Britain, France, and New Zealand.

          I support the US Constitution which explicitly states copyright can and will be enforced to protect creators’ rights in the US.

          I don’t see anything extreme about my stance.

          I have never made a penny from copyright, but I have loved music, movies, and games my whole life. I support the workers in those industries far more than I ever will ISPs or a bunch of snotty-nosed pirates.

          If you don’t like my perspective, feel free to ignore it.

  • r3loaded

    Good luck “tracking infringing users” who connect to news servers with SSL encryption.

    • Spock

      This is actually @ Anon above you……….”Article I, Section 8, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution empowers the United States Congress: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries”
      The key part of that which is pissing everybody off and you just totally ignored is the ” by securing for limited Times” If you missed it that says LIMITED TIME! So all this bullshit about lifetime plus 70 flies in the face of the Constitution…………and by the way ASS CLOWN you go cry more!

      WE FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS!

      • Ven

        I’m sorry, what part of “lifetime plus seventy” is unlimited? It may be longer than needed to benefit the creator of a work, but in no way is it contradictory of that section of the Constitution.

      • Ven

        I’m sorry, what part of “lifetime plus seventy” is unlimited? It may be longer than needed to benefit the creator of a work, but in no way is it contradictory of that section of the Constitution.

    • Spock

      This is actually @ Anon above you……….”Article I, Section 8, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution empowers the United States Congress: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries”
      The key part of that which is pissing everybody off and you just totally ignored is the ” by securing for limited Times” If you missed it that says LIMITED TIME! So all this bullshit about lifetime plus 70 flies in the face of the Constitution…………and by the way ASS CLOWN you go cry more!

      WE FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS!

  • Blazeflack

    Are there any viable alternative ISPs the US citizens can switch to instead of those laying in bed with the mafiaa?

    • Anonymous

      I’m afraid not.. The big ones are Time Warner, AT&T, Cox, Comcast, Verizon, and probably a few others I’m not aware of due to area-based ISP’s. Competition is nearly non-existent now-a-days.

      • Ven

        The physical cable networks in the USA are so heavily subsidized that you will be very hard-pressed to find more than one hard network in an area. In many cases, ISPs are renting bandwidth from their competition, and there is only really one network going on.

    • Anon

      Seems like the perfect environment for a new ISP.

      • Bibly

        yeah, on a satellite band. Lol.

      • Ven

        Here in the states internet service providing is government subsidized. You would either rent from those ISPs (who would force you to do the same as them), lay billions of dollars worth of cable, or construct a multi-billion dollar antenna/satellite/etc. network.

        I know pirating is popular, but building a new network from the ground up is not worth the cost for a loyal fanbase.

    • http://twitter.com/K1rkpad Dylan Kirkpatrick

      Unfortunately, people needed to support the little guys while they were still around in the mid 2000′s. They’re gone and now you’re stuck with super-corporations who see you as a coin-purse as opposed to a customer.

  • Anon

    The boat has been sinking for a while.

    • Gummie Jeremie

      ya ss copyright is foundering, ss the world is going full steam ahead and we arent stopping to rescue any of you.

  • Josh C

    It makes me sad that Verizon is going down this route… Just when I was getting a job too >_>

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  • Sanity_Vocal

    Increasingly, the situation in the United States is reminding me of events of the McArthur years, when commie hunts were organised.

    There goes the First Amendment. Next thing, it will probably become illegal to hold, possess or own an illegal copy of a copyrighted item.

    Perhaps, the world should sit up and take notice, and do something about it.

    The only sensible thing to do would seem NOT to buy any american product. I won’t be legally educated enough to know if the copy of a movie, or a piece of music, or any copyrighted material from the States, is a legal copy or not, so why bother?

    I’ll just get english materials from the Brits or any other source apart from the US.

    It might sound as good, if not better, and in the meantime, they can legalise themselves into bankruptcy for all I care.

    • SomeAsian

      I think you mean “McCarthy” years. Not McArthur, he was a general. Learn your history if your going to be spouting it off.

  • Sanity_Vocal

    Increasingly, the situation in the United States is reminding me of events of the McArthur years, when commie hunts were organised.

    There goes the First Amendment. Next thing, it will probably become illegal to hold, possess or own an illegal copy of a copyrighted item.

    Perhaps, the world should sit up and take notice, and do something about it.

    The only sensible thing to do would seem NOT to buy any american product. I won’t be legally educated enough to know if the copy of a movie, or a piece of music, or any copyrighted material from the States, is a legal copy or not, so why bother?

    I’ll just get english materials from the Brits or any other source apart from the US.

    It might sound as good, if not better, and in the meantime, they can legalise themselves into bankruptcy for all I care.

  • Quinn

    In other words this is another push to get ISPs to become an anti-piracy taskforce.

    This is part of the reason I like small companies like PeRiQuito that leave their their users alone (as long as it doesn’t break the law.)

    • Ven

      While I don’t necessarily like the specific methods listed here, I like the private sector resolving its own problems far more than having the government step in to wrangle my freedoms.

      The courts can always call this kind of thing unconstitutional, and at that point the government won’t have any say in it.

  • Guest


    I think graduated response is fine. If you are chronically pirating, you deserve to be throttled or face some other punitive restriction. show more show less
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    An IP address is not a person. Proving that an account holder is an infringer under a graduated response system is no different than proving that a defendant in a civil suit is guilty of copyright infringement.
    Of course, an ISP could simply stipulate in the acceptable use policy that the account may be terminated regardless of whom is behind the IP address, but such a strict liability policy is bad for business.

    • Ven

      And this will be interesting to see how it plays out, because what is being said here is that the owner/administrator of an IP is going to be held responsible for traffic on his or her network. They will get warnings to get it together, but only time will tell if it will work.

      Seems to me that spoofing domestic IPs to pirate on would make the ISPs farm huge numbers of false positives, eventually resulting in the termination of graduated response.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matt-Smith/1369435574 Matt Smith

    It wont matter. The planned destruction of the internet as a whole over the next few years with a view to rebuilding it in a way that resembles IRL: ( everyone identifiable, trackable and accountable ). And with major corporations getting prominence and priority of the little man will ensure that pirating days are over.

    It very sad. I often wish i lived in the 60′s which was, for some, one of the freest times in the West. But actually i got to live in 90′s, 00′s and 10′s which were the best years ever for technology and i got to be part of a free and astounding example of what humanity can achieve when freed from the rains of government and the weight of the corrupt and unfair reality we live in.

    The free and open internet was a wonderful wonderful thing. I just hope when we are all iris scanning or whatever to get online and paying our internet tax, that we remember it was not always like this.

    There was a time where i could hear a cool song, download it, discover an amazing new band and go and see them live with my girlfriend the next month. Unfortunately, in the coming years that scenario will be: heard a tune, shazzam said i could purchase it for £2 or watch the YouTube video WHEN IM ON WIFI ON A PC/MAC…with ads, and if i like that one song i can take a gamble and buy more…not gonna happen!!!

    Music is a massive part of my life. But i feel so strongly about not supporting this corporate system that i would sooner cut that part of my life out than give them a penny!

    Heres to the next few years of Internet Ver. 1.

    • Anon

      It’s time to make an alternative internet. Our internet.

    • Ven

      You can still use a radio, a band website, freely distributed music sites, and a host of other legal options. You can still choose to go see all of those bands live, as they haven’t passed laws against that yet.

      Pirating is hardly the only option.

      • Death

        All of those sources have terrible quality, though. Where, in any of those, will you find lossless audio to listen to, for free?

        • Guest123

          You probably won’t. You get what you pay for. The point is that if you want stuff for free, you still have options, even if those options might not be ideal.

        • Ven

          What Guest123 said basically. What you are describing is demo-quality music, and I don’t have a problem with no having better without paying for it.

          Under logic I have seen on this site before, poor quality music should open up doors for those file-sharing-friendly bands who want to offer lossless audio to the public. The more established artists try to peddle their stale wares, the better the market becomes for good up-and-coming acts who would never have a chance in a world of all-free music.

  • Guest


    There is no need for law enforcement to fight VPNs because hardly anyone uses them.

    If that changes, the foreign VPNs will be forced to comply with US regulations or be blacklisted from US customers. It isn’t complicated or difficult to imagine. show more show less
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    You are living in a totalitarian fantasy world. US law has no jurisdiction over the data retention policy of EU or Russian service providers.
    The data retention policy in EU is under critical scrutiny, and any attempt by the US to impose longer data retention on German or Swedish VPN providers would hurt the American economy.

    Even if The Protect IP Act was extended to VPN service providers it would logically have to include all proxy and tunnelling services — mandating long data retention of user data.
    In the EU such a policy would be controversial and almost certainly a violation of human rights law.

    • Rabbit80

      The best the US could hope to do is force ISPs to keep a log of users connections to a VPN. This would not help them track downloading that occurs over the VPN though.

      Some countries in Europe have some very strict data protection laws – IIRC, Switzerland forbids the release of personal information – even to the police etc – unless there is compelling evidence that the information is connected with a crime that has been committed which is likely to result in jail time.

    • Ven

      He said it though – they would either work with law enforcement or be blacklisted. The U.S. doesn’t have jurisdiction over foreign service providers, but they do have the ability to block IP ranges from U.S. users. And they will.

      And I am not a European lawyer, but reading over their human rights law leads me to believe that data retention isn’t covered under human rights law. Some argue it is an invasion of privacy, but it would require a gross misuse of retained information for that to be ruled by a court. In fact, reading over the Data Retention Directive of the EU, telecommunications companies are required to keep all kinds of user data for between 6 months and 2 years to aid in law enforcement investigations.

      Here is some good reading to start with for those who are interested:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_data_retention
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_2006/24/EC

  • KiRE

    Really, how fucked up is it that they get to break the law to catch you breaking the law?? Might as well turn over the Government to Hollywood and be done with it so we can move on to other things.

    • Anonymous

      They are firm believers in “the end justifies the means”.

      If that means bribing, I mean “lobbying”, to have laws changed in their favor then, so be it. If that means getting into cahoots with the ISPs, who already charge us an arm and a leg for services that they then use legal loopholes in the contracts we sign with them to then place restrictions on said services, then so be it. If that means abusing the courts by overloading them with cases just to get them to say “you can get John Doe’s info from his ISP” to then attempt what is essentially extortion against whoever the person is who pays the internet bill at a given home (not necessarily the infringer), then so be it. If that means lying about how much money they’re losing (when a simple search online shows their record breaking profits each consecutive year for at least the past 4 years), then so be it. If that means presenting studies, which they fund and are conducted by people they “support”, that show how much money they lose and how essentially everyone is a pirate (studies that are routinely debunked by non-biased authorities), then so be it. Etc. Etc. Etc.

      I could go on and on and on but eh. It’s somewhat depressing to think about all that sh*t.

      We should just give them a major tax break and then bail them out, like we do everything else. Then again, I’m willing to bet they’d say the “bail out money” wasn’t enough to cover all their losses and the tax break they got, while appreciated, doesn’t help them because of all the money they spend informing people about piracy and how it is hurting them (not too mention, doesn’t cover how much they spend lobbying to have laws enacted in their favor or have government agencies do their dirty work, nor will they mention that the lobbying funds and informing people funds are already being used as tax write-offs).

      Sigh. Just now I have on an album by The Kills and the song that came on has a nice lyric that I’m sure adequately explains how the MPAA/RIAA/ISPs feel about the consumers they’re giving the shaft to, “F*ck the people.”

  • Xult

    Prohibition of the web.
    Didn’t work for alcohol did it.
    Some real Mafia types will soon be encouraged to circumvent such stupidity.
    The states are retreating into some sort of protectionist web.
    Might as well have done with the rest of the planet and build their firewall.
    And watch with unease when most major software businesses move abroad.
    Jobs in America are going to be even harder to find.
    VPN is the way to go.
    It does hide your real IP address.
    Does not come under American censorship agreements or laws.
    As others have already mentioned.
    Good way in for any new ISP provider.
    Could corner the market if others are providing a restricted service.

  • markie

    I guess these isp’s can say goodbye to their customers. I see usenet becoming very big in the future.

  • Username1

    I say sue the ISP’s that partake in this behavior , it’s one thing for the copyright holders and you to fight it out
    , it’s another thing for your ISP to take sides in the matter becoming a third party to your fight.
    Take any ISP to court over this , it’s not their fight.

    Just like it’s not their fight if you argue with a forum or website.
    Can you imagine if your ISP helped ban you from forums LOL
    It’s just like that.

    • Anon

      Don’t sue them, burn them to the ground.

  • Guest

    USA has no future = police state

  • DarknezzMadnezz

    Land of the free? HAH what crap they feed to their people… whats funnier is that the people just bend over and take it like good little lemmings…
    This is why we in Europe continue to fight and will always fight against ignorant laws brought from over seas… Keep your stupidity to your own country and you may still be allowed to trade with us in the future… while you Americans slowly lose your last human right freedoms…

    Down with the US Government…

  • Xult

    Land of the FEE!

  • Anonymous

    I now feel sorry of all those people who will be falsely accused.

    I most have issue with their censoring of the web when that so seems very close to the disconnection concept. And what the hell do they mean by only access to the Top 200 websites? We already know that sites the Pirate Bay and YouPorn fall in the Top 100 most popular websites.

    Oh let me guess. Top 200 sites as compiled by the MPAA filled with NetFlix, Cinema chains and DVD stores.

    I also think they will have some serious issues with blocking access to news sites like TF and the BBC simply for being outside their Top 200. In fact their list will be so controversial I doubt they will even do it.

    More about blocking sites related to copyright infringement even those file lockers lawful under US DMCA law no doubt. And without ultra censorship there will always be a way around it to infringe more. Web proxies are common and free.

    Anyway one quick fix now for our American friends would be FilesTube.com. Give up on BT where you can be tracked and download from file lockers instead. FilesTube does the searching of all those naughty sites. It is also good to see that they are already backed up to FilesTube.me when if ICE desire your domain name best idea is to not only have a backup domain but also to clearly publish it on your home page.

    In using file lockers you cant be traced or at least not easily. No trace, no warnings, no punishment and no censorship.

  • Anon

    The longer pirates pirate, the more society will lose. That’s been clear since Napster. Use VPN? They’ll take VPN. Use encryption? They’ll license encryption. Is this complicated for you? Are trends hard to comprehend? Just stop stealing online FFS. What’s wrong with you?

    • Derp

      trolololol

    • Lol

      Whats wrong with you ?

      Us law stops at the us borders so if i use a russian or eu based vpn theres nothing the fascist american government can do about it , each country has there own laws it not a difficult concept to understand.

      The eu has its own laws and governments and we do not have to follow fascist laws designed by “uncle adolf” sorry i meant “unclesam” to protect a business model thats 20 years out of date!

      • Anonymous

        They can block you from connecting to that Russian VPN. Proxy laws are inevitable IMO not due to piracy but due to the vast amount of child porn that is being progressively traded and distributed through proxy-based services like Tor.

        • Poop soup

          no there not your just a scaremonger, go outside and play on your skateboard or whatever you do with yourself all day.

    • Tom

      Trolltastic!!!

    • Tom

      Trolltastic!!!

    • Wolfreak_99

      Do not feed the troll.

    • http://crashsuit.blogspot.com crashsuit

      WINGARDIUM LEVIOSA!

    • Death

      What about making your own encryption such that the end user gets their own personal, private method of accessing something, and after that use the access method is destroyed and the user has to get another access token (which will, of course, be free)? For instance, before one can enter the password for something, they need to enter in a unique 100000000 encrypted character code (send it as a text file) which has a lengthy list of steps to obfuscate it, stored server-side only; then, they get to enter in their own code (both of these are stored in the database beforehand, so nobody will be able to enter in whatever they wish, and then brute-force the next password).

      Why use a standard encryption scheme if those are public knowledge?

      • Anon

        Because the best encryption standards are those that go through a peer review process, RSA has been around for more than a decade, and hasn’t been cracked, but the system involved is one that is publicly available. I’d explain more, but you’re clearly an idiot, try googling public key encryption before talking again.

    • Lulezsece

      the longer you post your junk here the more likely you will banned for spam. so stfu.

    • Anon

      Why are you even on torrentfreak forums then? Troll…

    • Anon

      Why are you even on torrentfreak forums then? Troll…

  • Anon
    • Xult

      Danish police proposal: Ban anonymous Internet use

      Cory Doctorow at 3:08 AM Thursday, Jun 23, 2011

      The Danish police had proposed abolishing all anonymous Internet access,
      under the rubric of fighting terrorism. ISPs and companies would be
      required to gather strong proof of identity (official ID cards and similar)
      before connecting users, and would be required to retain records.

      Thus, a working group at the Ministry of Justice started with a
      recommendation to parliament that would require all persons on the open
      Internet connections from such libraries and the café’s wireless network,
      identify with a personal code for being able to get online.
      The idea is that the police or the police intelligence service, with data
      from the open network connections will be able to investigate terrorism
      more effectively when the police can see who is logged on to the open
      network and not least, what sites network users have visited and whom they
      interacted with.

      The above link provided by the Troll!
      Anti human rights.
      Anti freedom
      Is this what to expect?
      Will this apply to governments?
      George Orwell!

  • Njh

    Here’s some handy checkpoints to protect yourself from the American Government

    don’t use public torrent sites at all – check!

    use a mix of free cyber locker linx for any big MAFIAA content – check!

    only use torrents for TV when absolutely vital, and then only on private sites – check!

    use the Tor network for browsing and posting on sites like this, just in case – check!

    ‘borrow’ wi-fi from neighbors when doing anything that might get you caught – check!

    oh… and here’s the big one – DON’T LIVE IN THE USA! – CHECK!

    • TerribellTony

      Nothing wrong with public torrent sites, just ensure you only download content that isn’t being watched. MAFIAA content, leave it to the locker sites and the “next big thing”.

      Using the Tor network to download illicit materials will likely make the node owner liable, one reason I won’t use Tor for such things.

      Some of us like our neighbours and prefer not to bring doom upon them.

      As for living in the USA, a high percentage are below the poverty line, and hence not a choice available to them.

      One more thing, you must not fear, fear is the mind killer.

      Additional: Make fortuitous use of the sneakernet.

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  • townie2

    the way things are going, in a few years you will only be allowed to go to government approved sites, all others will be blocked or seized.

  • The Dwarfer

    Oh! say can you seed on the trackers they fight,
    What so proudly we cammed at twilight’s first screening,
    Whose paid hype and vein stars made a mint the first night,
    Thru the proxies we watched, were so easily streaming
    And for files that we share, the MAFIAA are aware,
    Giving ‘proof’ through the night that our IP was there;
    Oh! say does that ad-sense banner still wave,
    Over the land of the fee and the home of the bribe?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Beaman/100002545239528 Tom Beaman
  • MD3

    ISPs should prepare for a “graduated response” from customers abandoning those providers who endorse this heavy Internet censoring scheme.

    • Ven

      Who will you turn to? Alternatives are expensive, slow, and unable to pick up that much traffic.

  • TerribellTony

    It would be hilarious if after all the measures put in place and lobbying money spent everybody stops “pirating”, Creative Commons content explodes, and the big content industries still die. That would so make me laugh.

    • Friend of the People

      That would be nice. That would be preferable to piracy. A pity that it wouldn’t happen.

      • Ven

        It blows my mind that it doesn’t happen. It seems like the perfect way for pirates to stick it to the corporate machine, legally, and get what they want: free culture.

        • Anon

          Most people aren’t independently wealthy enough to fund their own $1-300 million movies and then give those movies away for free.

          If you are, feel free to start whenever.

        • Friend of the People

          Oh, it would be ideal for the pirates, but many artists don’t want to release their work under creative commons. Since it would take the artists to do it, the pirates don’t have much say. That’s why it won’t happen.

        • Ven

          Many artists already do release their music online for free. While I’m sure they aren’t the majority, there certainly are places out there that work to provide free music gateways.

  • Anonymous

    Isp’s can blacklist a proxy or vpn by its IP, its not a complete solution. Bittorent can still be used through I2p(making it better than Tor), and if it ever REALLY came down to it, hosting files on Freenet is always an option. There’s always a way around censorship, even if the whole internet falls apart and is rebuilt into a PKI scheme, the darknets will still thrive. Do not fear, the spread of information cannot be stopped, the internet will always find a way.

  • Anonymous

    Isp’s can blacklist a proxy or vpn by its IP, its not a complete solution. Bittorent can still be used through I2p(making it better than Tor), and if it ever REALLY came down to it, hosting files on Freenet is always an option. There’s always a way around censorship, even if the whole internet falls apart and is rebuilt into a PKI scheme, the darknets will still thrive. Do not fear, the spread of information cannot be stopped, the internet will always find a way.

    • townie2

      but ISP’s can’t block a VPN unless they can prove it is breaking the law, which they can’t because everything is encrypted, that’s why people get them. trustworthy seedbox provider would work too.

    • Guest

      Tor and Freenet are overflowing with child pornographers. Good luck claiming safe haven there. These networks will be attacked more voraciously than standard P2P once they’ve drawn enough attention.

  • Guest

    To me there just trying to push people into joining up with NetFlix, since it’s cheaper than most VPN’s. Threaten the masses with lower quality service and law suits, then try to push them in the direction of a low costing alternative to illegal file sharing.

    Netflix is only for movies is more expensive than VPNs and you can still be spied on by the FBI and TSA.

  • Guest

    Enough is enough! We are not going to give money to the corporation of parasites. Time to abandon ISPS and develop our own network.

    • http://www.facebook.com/prunn Bruno Lévesque

      at what point will it stop, the rich ppl want to control the internet, sniffing technologies should be claimed illegal (it’s clearly violating human rights) and the internet should be as anonymous as possible
      no need to remind me that in some cases sniffing can be usefull for certain types of crimes but that what they do with it, they put all ppl in the same basket as terrorists and child pornographs… I guess they’ve found them all

      • Friend of the People

        Alright, I have beef with what you’re saying. From what I can understand, the gist of your argument is that sniffing technology should be illegal for use in the investigation of copyright infringement, but not in other internet-based crimes. That’s not how the law works. The law allows for certain techniques to be used for law enforcement in general. To put it simply, if a technique can be used in the investigation of something like child pornography, it can also be used for lesser crimes, including copyright infringement. The way the law works is that it declares certain investigative techniques illegal in all situations, and leaves other techniques open for use in all situations. There are no techniques that can be legally used for investigation of one type of crime, but not another. We may find that some techniques may not provide sufficient proof on its own in one case even though it might in another, but we wouldn’t make the technique completely illegal or inadmissible on that basis.

        I know that it can be annoying when people draw comparisons between copyright infringement and other more serious crimes, but you can’t just disregard the way the law works.

        If you want to argue against this, please explain to me how it violates the human rights of pirates, but not the human rights of people accused of other internet-based crimes.

        I have opinions about the necessity or lack of a necessity for anonymity on the internet, but it’s probably better to stick to one issue at once.

        • http://www.facebook.com/prunn Bruno Lévesque

          terrorism and child pornography arent internet crimes… they touch the security of some ppl directly, but ppl use the internet with this and the agencies are finding them when they do post this kind of stuff

          as for govenements, corporations spying on ppl to know exactly what you are doing in your own home with your internet connection, I think there’s a line to draw there
          giving more power to the guy who has all the money wont solve anything, we’re in 2011 and still some ppl are starving, job cuts everywhere and they just want to get a little more culture, these guys dont target ppl that have 50 000$ to spare, they target the starving group who they’ll bankrup, they dont even see the fact that these ppl make publicity for them and in the end they get better revenus… so why are they continuing on this road?

  • Anonymous

    “Most average pirates are waaaay too cheap and lazy to pay a foreign VPN subscription.”

    But it take only few anonymous to bring down an ISP.

    • Anon

      I hope Anonymous will help us.

  • Anonymous

    “Do not fear, the spread of information cannot be stopped, the internet will always find a way. ”

    This is true but a good defense is offense.

    All these corporate parasites?

    Let’s kill them all!

    • Ven

      But not before Hitler manages to cook and gas millions of Jews and Christians.

      • Friend of the People

        That may be one of the most unexpected uses of Godwin’s law I’ve ever seen.
        +1 to you sir.

  • Anonymous

    “I now feel sorry of all those people who will be falsely accused.”

    Once enough people understand that the only way not to be falsely accused is not to have an ISP connection, internet will be replaced by a new word wide network not requiring an ISP.

    • Ven

      Billions of dollars worth of infrastructure costing millions of dollars to upkeep annually: if your government doesn’t finance (and police) it, and big business doesn’t finance and police it, who will? The public?

  • Guess

    “VPNs that are run “for piracy” will just get blacklisted anyway.”

    You can not blacklist VPN because no VPN are just use for “piracy” Many business are using VPNs and they will be always VPN reufsing to deal with the corporations of parasites you are working for as a pay troll.

    • Ven

      But businesses won’t have a problem dealing with proxy servers that collect information for law enforcement.

      There will be two kinds of VPNs: those that work with the government requests and those that don’t. The ones that don’t will get their IP-ranges blocked.

      • Yessir

        What happens when servers change ips?… With ipv6 there are so many you can change them daily.

        • Ven

          It won’t work well enough to keep paying customers. I have no doubt that the underworld would find a solution to get around proxy banning, but it wouldn’t be to simply change IP addresses.

    • Anonymous

      My dad uses a VPN at his business. It is private and restricted to just his use and the use of his partners. It is closed. No one else can connect to it or use it. A law regulating VPN would not affect him. It would affect people like BTGuard who sell VPN connections to the public with the implied purpose of circumventing local law.

  • Tuneupapps

    ahh shit i have At&T lol

    • Anonymous

      Time to dump it

  • Guess

    I prefer to pay a VPN $1000 rather than giving one peny to the corporation of parasites.

    Live with that troll and tell your corporate master, slave.

    What are you going to do when they are all dead?

    • Guest123

      Meh. Somehow, I think that they’d beat you in a fight.

  • Nobody

    Encrypt your connection, use PeerBlocking Services, and above all COMMON SENSE.

    The low hanging fruit will get caught. Agencies are not going to go through the extra trouble of catching the “careful” pirates when there are so many easily snatched IP addresses of “casual” pirates.

    But again, I stress common sense. Read the Comments of torrents you’re pulling, often, If someone has receives an ISP notice for the content, THEY POST IT IN THE COMMENTS.

    You want to really save yourself, move to newsgroups. It’s what we used to use before torrents, and with good reason.

    • Guest

      It has been said again and again… wear a condom!

  • Pkrisnin

    Well just as GM taking the oil companies money to not produce oil efficient cars and end up bankrupting themselves. ISP will find themselves in the same position if they continue to screw their customers

  • gae

    I would say this course of action is really not acceptible. You can’t just go around making up punishments for crimes like that.

    Someone sharing files getting an internet disconection is equivalent to adding bizzare and unrelated punishments to other crimes.
    For example it would not be acceptable to cut off somebodys hands for stealing. It might stop them stealing but that would not be the proper punishment. Similarly, if you got caught illegally dumping rubbish it would not be correct that the punishment was that you had to eat the rubbish off the floor, or how about if you got caught speeding and the punishment was that you had to do a 30 mile run whilst naked?

    The point is there are proper punishments available such as jail, a fine, an education course or community service that can and should be handed out by judges, private companies should not be allowed to decide and carry out their own punishments for copyright infringement.

    • Ven

      Problem with the situation at hand in the U.S. is that the proper punishment can’t be carried out. The government keeps stepping on it’s own toes and tripping over the Constitution trying to put a dent in IP theft, and they can’t.

      At the same time, ISP customers are agreeing to a contract that says they won’t use the connection to break any local, state, or federal laws. The contract says they can disconnect you for doing so.

      • gae

        I am not sure about in the us, but where I live a contract can not be enforced if it contains ‘unfair terms’, that is ‘terms that reduce their (customers) statutory or common law rights and from terms that seek to impose unfair burdens on the consumer over and above the obligations of ordinary rules of law’

        For sure I would say expecting a customer to fully police their own internet connection and every action that takes place on it buy each and every possible user would definately come under the heading ‘over and above the obligations of ordinary rules of law’

    • Anonymous

      Since when has the US cared about “proper” punishments?

      They have the highest incarceration rate in the world.

      I’d be surprised if the US didn’t introduce horrid, draconian laws designed to fuck over their own citizens, since that seems to be their politicians’ favourite past-time.

  • The Merovingian

    I thought we were going to be moving onto IPv6 from IPv4 pretty soon…

    Wouldn’t this change, and the resulting massive number of new, unused IPs make it difficult to correlate an IP with a particular person?

    • Ven

      Not any harder than it is now. It’s like a home address: the numbers could get longer, but the same people still live there. Proving that a home address is a specific person and not someone else that is a resident there is the issue.

      • Anoymous

        Resident? It’s hard enough proving it wasn’t Lulzsec

      • Anoymous

        Resident? It’s hard enough proving it wasn’t Lulzsec

  • Noah C.

    Actually, a VPN won’t do anybody any good in this situation. It STILL has to go through your ISP, and they can see EVERYTHING you download or look at on the internet. It’s sad. A VPN merely reroutes your connection to change the IP address to an anonymous one and etc., from my understanding.

    • Jeez

      Your a troll go away and look up VPN’s on google and read something before posting as all your doing is making yourself look like a complete noob .

      Do you even know what VPN stands for ?

      Virtual Private Network its called that because it encrypted and private.

      Your ISP can only see that you are connected to one single IP (the VPN server) alone and what ports you are using. And they know how much data you transferring.

      They can’t know what you’re downloading because it’s encrypted and unreadable.

      With all that he can only conclude that you are using a VPN service, nothing more. That’s not illegal, so they can’t do anything about it.

      There may be ISPs who block or throttle VPN connections, but I never heard of that yet.

    • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

      What you ISP “sees” is simply numbers as indicated by IP adresses. If you’re torrenting through a VPN, then you’re simply downloading 1′s and 0′s from that VPN’s address. They can see you’re downloading something, but they shouldn’t be able to tell exactly what that something is. Torrents themselves aren’t illegal, only the content of the torrent. This is my understanding, but I’m no expert.

      • http://www.facebook.com/prunn Bruno Lévesque

        thats kinda a silly to say but… they are seeding the torrents themselves… to catch you? can we make a system to catch them as well?

    • starwhite

      Nope. Sorry Noah C. your ISP cannot see what you’re uploading or downloading through a VPN. A virtual private network (VPN) is a computer network that is layered on top of an underlying computer network. The private nature of a VPN means that the data travelling over the VPN is not generally visible to, or is encapsulated from, the underlying network traffic. …

      • starwhite

        I want to add that I have noticed that rarely I get disconnected from my VPN..I have it set to automatically reconnect…BUT heres the thing, if you don’t have firewall rules set up corralling your BT client your real IP will be displayed in the Torrent pool…mine is set through my firewall VIA rules to only use my VPN. Thus, if I get disconnected my real IP is never ever displayed. Think about it..if the MPAA detects any VPN user IPs they might deliberately knock them off line in order to display the user’s REAL IP. No kidding. After doing this I no longer receive notices from my ISP…nothing. Problem solved.

    • starwhite

      Nope. Sorry Noah C. your ISP cannot see what you’re uploading or downloading through a VPN. A virtual private network (VPN) is a computer network that is layered on top of an underlying computer network. The private nature of a VPN means that the data travelling over the VPN is not generally visible to, or is encapsulated from, the underlying network traffic. …

    • Noah C.

      Jesus fuckin’ christ people chill the fuck out. Okay, I was mistaken. Big deal. Obviously since ten people decided to tell me that I was wrong, you’d think I’d know. A “Jeez,” or more like Jizz you dickface, I am not trolling. I merely had the wrong answer. If you’re looking for a troll, look for Jack Murdock. He’s the biggest troll on this site, and I’m actually a contributor to the site, and not some dickface like you.

      • starwhite

        OK. Didn’t mean to make you uptight. Its OK. Just want people here to know that their best protection is a VPN with their Bit torrent client with firewalls rules to coral your connection is one of the best safe guards you can have.

  • in.cog.nito

    Here’s a novel idea, instead of being faggots and punishing your customers why don’t you focus on increasing bandwith so we don’t end up 50th instead of 17th in broadband to the masses?

    It’s my bandwith that I pay for and choose to do with it what I want, not what you fucking tell me to do with it.

    • Ven

      They are telling you not to break federal laws on their network bandwidth that you are renting. They are merely operating within the legal rights you gave to them when you signed your contract.

  • Youngkiller1988
  • Jeez

    When you download the movie your ISP sees only that you receive some packets.
    They can not see what you download and from where you download. If they intercept your packets they will be unreadable .. so they won’t mean a damn thing. When using a VPN all your ISP can do is measure your bandwidth and see how much you consume (in case you have internet connection with limited bandwidth contract which is very rare nowadays).

    Using a VPN is totally legal in any country. The ISP can block only some types of VPN like PPTP and L2TP but there is nothing they can do to block openVPN. To block OpenVPN they would have to block all your ports.. and since they do this it means they do not provide any internet service so why would you pay them at all. Don’t worry and use VPN’s with confidence.

  • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

    Sending millions of warning notices to people won’t do anything. They’ll just go “cool, whatever” and continue pirating stuff. If they want to change anything, they have to go after the piracy at the source. If you dangle free movies, music, etc in front of people’s faces, of course many people wont be able to resist.

    • Noah C.

      OR the companies disconnect them from the internet (happened to a friend of mine that had ComCast) and now 80% of America (and the world, too) will no longer have internet.

      • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

        Yeah, the day we wake up we find that half of america doesn’t have internet anymore. That would be a hell of a day to wake up to. I think all they can do at this point is take away the sites so people can’t pirate anymore. If they really wanted to sue tens of millions of people, just imagine how much it would tie up the legal system. It’s just not feasible.

        • Anonymous

          “… all they can do at this point is take away the sites …”

          Lol. How? US doesn’t control the interwebs.

          Idiot.

  • Harris8000

    If I have a party and everyone is listening to the same cd why is that legal? They didn’t pay for it so they shouldn’t have the right to listen to it. But if I made them copies then I could be fined for illegal sharing.

    • Jeremie

      what you should be asking is why isn’t it legal to share.

      • Ven

        Because you don’t have permission to share. Digital property is not legally shareable, it is the price you pay for purchasing digital to begin with. You are legally allowed to share a physical CD or DVD, granted that as long as your friend has the disk you retain zero copies of it yourself.

    • Ven

      Playing music at a party is considered personal use (as long as you aren’t charging people at the door). It is a non-commercial performance that is not available to the general public. It’s not distribution. There are copyright groups that have tried to fight that kind of thing (see: BMI going after Girl Scouts of America, BMI and the song Happy Birthday), but no judge will ever interpret the law against music at a house party.

      If you are sharing on the internet, burning copies at home and handing them out, they are both distributing copyrighted content without permission.

      • Friend of the People

        Very well expressed.

    • gae

      That could possibly fall under the category of ‘public performance’ and technically you should inform the relevant body and pay the apropriate fees. Silly yes, but thats the rules.

    • gae

      That could possibly fall under the category of ‘public performance’ and technically you should inform the relevant body and pay the apropriate fees. Silly yes, but thats the rules.

  • Harris8000

    If I have a party and everyone is listening to the same cd why is that legal? They didn’t pay for it so they shouldn’t have the right to listen to it. But if I made them copies then I could be fined for illegal sharing.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VKIMVRVSYDQSOEZBMF2UXJZFMU DavidDavid

    So… um… use a service other than AT&T, Comcast, and Verizon I guess.

    • Noah C.

      Honestly, there’s not really many other decent choices out there besides these big three companies, especially in rural areas. In a city you might be able to get a good company that doesn’t give a shit about what you do (Verizon used to be this way) but… HughesNet, EarthLink, BlueConn (or something like that) are all extremely shitty and have horrible bandwidth deals. Sure, you may be able to download that album faster than PHONE LINE service, but just give me some decent DSL. It’s really sad. :/

  • ex-verizon customer

    look like ill be canceling all my verizon plans :D

    treated me good for 5 yrs but not after this crap

  • Guest

    F$%# Thatttttt!!!!!!!!!!! F$%# Thatttttt!!!!!!!!!!! F$%# Thatttttt!!!!!!!!!!! F$%# Thatttttt!!!!!!!!!!!
    Noooo!

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    Sources quoted by CNET say that ISPs will be a given flexibility to select from a “menu” of sanctions, including throttling a subscriber’s connection through to limiting web browsing. One scenario would see the web almost completely removed, with access granted only to the top 200 websites.

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  • Foff

    Nothing big here proxy or vpn will work fine. It does not matter jack what the ISP can or cannot see they are not monitoring ip’s or what data is sent. This would be a gross invasion of privacy. It is the Mafiaa that is monitoring torrents. They do not send warnings based on only one sample. They must check back after 24 hours to see if you are still seeding.so the answer is don’t see continuously. If you must see continuously then get a seed box.

    If my isp jerks me around I am off to another. I switch often anyway to take advantage of introductory offers.

  • thinkermon

    I’m a bit surprised that such a regime is legal. Usually ISPs have to be neutral operators and thus cannot start dealing punishments. Well, usually corporations don’t even have the rights to punish people because we have courts and judges to do that. It would be a bit hilarious if your electricity would be cut of if you used it to cook booze or something. I guess this is the new trend where you can put anything into the TOS and it becomes a legal contract: “it’s not punishment, it’s penalty for breaching the contract. The user agreed himself.”

    But I’ m not panicking. Pirates always win in the end :)

    • Pocket

      didn’t comcast already get in a lot of trouble for throttling peoples’ bandwidth?

      why are they allowed to do the same thing now?

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        They shouldn’t really be allowed to. The fact is that it is NOT Comcast’s job to police the internet AND under the DMCA if they start to do that? THEY FORFEIT ALL OF THEIR PROTECTIONS!

        The lawyers for these companies are probably going to give them the big old bitchslap across the face, telling them “YOU EEEDIOTS! Don’t do this!”

  • John

    The worst that will happen using a VPN is them canceling your service because of an infringement notice. If the servers are in Russia or China they will probably ignore the notice.

    If not they’ll cancel and probably not refund the remaining months. Oh yeah, pay with a pre-paid credit card bought from Walmart. Use aliases and different email address during VPN sign-ups. That way they can’t hand that info over even if they wanted too.

  • Mail

    I stopped using torrents a couple years ago after getting a not so nice note from my ISP, now using newsgroups with SSL encryption. Best thing I ever did, speeds are much better, no-one knows what I’m downloading, price is only $10/month for unlimited downloads. Beats the heck out of Netflix.

    • AnarchyNow

      The MAFIAA is also going to destroy Usenet, and Usenet is full of virus and it’s even easier to spy than bittorrent.

  • AnarchyNow

    U$A = worse than nazi country that has never ever been anywhere close to democracy anytime.
    Slavery, death penalty, mass-destruction of free speech and all other freedoms, presidents that have more power than any king, what a shitty excuse of a nameless country!

    • Anon

      Right. Nazi’s And if world-wide immigration laws were taken down for a week half the world would pour in.

      Cute little Anarchynow = moron. lol

  • anon

    I will pay for a multi-hop VPN if they block access some foreign servers. Big media will not get a dime from me.

  • J B Good

    So … if ISPs are allowed to degrade the service they initially provide for the purpose of punishing their customers, this would make them de facto “content editors” as they retain the right to determine what you are allowed to download or not.

    Now aren’t there any specific aspects to “content editing” that ISPs try to avoid so much that they precisely claim over and over again that they are NOT “content editors” ?

    And how will the majors deal with the minors who precisely rely on the internet for free distribution and consider the number of downloads as a marketing rating factor, like a weekly or monthly “Top of the Free Downloads” title to reward a song or a play

    • Friend of the People

      Not quite. It’s not content editing because most ISPs have a provision in their contracts that you can’t use their service for anything illegal. If they were punishing someone for something like downloading a bunch of legal stuff, then it would be content editing. If they’re preventing their service from being used for something illegal, that’s not content editing.

      “And how will the majors deal with the minors who precisely rely on the internet for free distribution and consider the number of downloads as a marketing rating factor, like a weekly or monthly “Top of the Free Downloads” title to reward a song or a play ”

      I don’t know exactly what you’re trying to say here. It seems like you’re setting up a strawman. I’ve never heard anyone claim that small developers shouldn’t be allowed to use torrents or free internet distribution as a marketing factor. The problem people have with free internet isn’t with the developers who voluntarily participate in it, it’s with the people who upload content from developers who have chosen not to participate in it. If I’m understanding your argument correctly, you’re just using a strawman argument to discredit the other side.

  • getoffayaweebassa

    it all started with money. i like to swap six eggs for a cd and a loaf of bread and a tin of beans for good copy of a film. failing that i just sit and stare at a screen with lots of little white dots. unemployment is no fun and all this inflation about gives me wind. once a copy of something is sold it can be copied infinitely. the distribution process thereafter depends on the current environment. choke off the internet and it will go back to the streets, which in america, might not be long. the amount of internet users in the world is staggering, and staggering more each day, piracy will never go away until the authorities get as smart as the sharers, in other words never. and it is about to get a whole new dimension. just wait until late 2012 when 3d printers start becoming mainstream. i think ill go back to my hole in the wall, the twelfth repeat of friends is on next door, oi! turn it up mate?

  • getoffayaweebassa

    it all started with money. i like to swap six eggs for a cd and a loaf of bread and a tin of beans for good copy of a film. failing that i just sit and stare at a screen with lots of little white dots. unemployment is no fun and all this inflation about gives me wind. once a copy of something is sold it can be copied infinitely. the distribution process thereafter depends on the current environment. choke off the internet and it will go back to the streets, which in america, might not be long. the amount of internet users in the world is staggering, and staggering more each day, piracy will never go away until the authorities get as smart as the sharers, in other words never. and it is about to get a whole new dimension. just wait until late 2012 when 3d printers start becoming mainstream. i think ill go back to my hole in the wall, the twelfth repeat of friends is on next door, oi! turn it up mate?

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  • Signify

    Would someone be so kind as to explain to me why I would even need cable internet without the option of file sharing? I don’t work from home or game, so it seems somewhat pointless to continue paying for it.

    Everything else is easily accessed from my phone.

    This is something ISPs should think really hard about before they bite the hand that feeds them.

    • Friend of the People

      I don’t know about you, but I hate using my phone for the internet. Most of my family doesn’t even have internet-capable phones. I think the ISPs are fine.

    • Friend of the People

      I don’t know about you, but I hate using my phone for the internet. Most of my family doesn’t even have internet-capable phones. I think the ISPs are fine.

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  • Brt777

    Thanks for all this great info. I just got a Notification Of Copyright Sharing Policy Violation email from my VPN for some hbo crap. If they dump me I’ll go to usenet or an anonymous VPN. This site is very helpful. Thanks again to all the posters in the know…and Chinga La Migra!

  • Carrot Top

    Damn. Was going to sign up for Verizon FiOS when I moved. Definitely not anymore. Why would you ever sign up for service with a company that’s waiting to attack you? Yuck.

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  • Bhgggggkkg

    We’ll see what song they will be singing when numerous corpses of third reich employees start appearing on the streets

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  • Mudvayne_rush

    When will they realize people will end up starting non profit ISP’s that only accept donated money and there for aren’t liable for the content which is shared through thier service. Current ISP’s that are making alot of profit (all of them) are just selling us a faster way to connect our “personal” computers because they bought or installed the equipment to do so. Alot of thier customers are paying thier high prices to download instead of going to the store and buying movies and music. If they don’t allow us to do this we won’t buy it. And if laws are passed to say they have to monitor and censor everything online, we the people will just come up with a different, faster and better solution to comunicate and on top of that we just might not want to even watch or listen to the art these money grubbing labeles and production companies release. We’ll just wait for them to go out of business and buy thier equipment in the auction dirt cheep, make good art at a reasonable price, and let people download the content who wouldn’t have paid anyway. At least the’ll tell thier friends “I saw an awsome movie last night, you should check it out” . . .”bam” popular.

  • http://www.publicrecords.org Julian

    This makes me so….. MAAAAAAAAAAAD

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  • Paulius Drazdauskas

    Top 200 websites? fine. two large torrent sites are in top 10 anyway.

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  • Djhfdjhfd

    FUCK ALL OF THEM BITCH ASS!

  • CongressForHire

    I can’t wait to see what happens when ISP/MPAA/RIAA mess with a Tea-Party lovin NRA militia man who got cut off for downloading Ted Nugent..

  • CongressForHire

    I can’t wait to see what happens when ISP/MPAA/RIAA mess with a Tea-Party lovin NRA militia man who got cut off for downloading Ted Nugent..

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