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Music Industry Warns That It May Sue UK File-Sharers

The BPI has warned that it may be forced into suing UK file-sharers, despite the recent passing of the Digital Economy Act. In an interview yesterday, Chief Executive Geoff Taylor said although the industry would prefer for file-sharing to be dealt with via ‘technical measures’, they might still have to sue some people.

Following the passing of the UK’s Digital Economy Act in early April, BPI Chief Executive Geoff Taylor has been speaking with Billboard about how he sees the next steps for tacking file-sharing in the UK.

Although so-called “educational letters” will be sent out to those suspected of illicit file-sharing towards the end of this year and “technical measures” (throttling/account suspension) imposed if illicit sharing isn’t reduced by around 70% in the next 18 to 24 months, Taylor says that the music industry will probably have to start suing people again in the meantime.

Due to the fact that ISPs will have to keep lists of those subscribers who have received the greatest number of educational letters, ultimately the music industry will be able to identify, they say, those who are being most stubborn to change.

Armed with this information they will be able to proceed to court to obtain their real-life names and addresses. Taylor says that there is a possibility that even at the early stages of the letter sending campaign, the music industry will use this information to start suing the “most egregious infringers”.

Taylor insists that the BPI will take this action reluctantly, and would have preferred that the problem be solved through the early introduction of technical measures, but that wasn’t to be.

“Government disagreed with us, regrettably, and decided not to bring the technical measures into effect immediately and has said to us that it expects us to bring legal cases and that it will take that into account when it looks at whether or not to introduce technical measures,” he explained.

To this end, Taylor said that the BPI may well have to sue people “at some level”, a course of action that he claims the Government expects of them in advance of its decision to implement technical measures.

Of course, suing file-sharers is something that the BPI did before back in 2004. Taylor admitted that they were unable to carry out that campaign on a level which would become a deterrent to the masses but said at least this time round they will be able to target those who have offended the most and failed to change their ways.

This approach raises another interesting situation. Rather than just about anyone being a target for litigation – potentially for downloading a single album for example – the BPI is now saying that only the worst offenders will be targeted for action. Since their legal resources are limited, this could only conceivable aimed at the top 1 or 2% of aggressive file-sharers.

So, since many file-sharers download a hell of a lot more music than they’d ever really need, it could be argued that by only downloading the stuff that they really want, their chances of ending up at the top of the heap are very slim indeed.

This would of course result in a sizable reduction in file-sharing transfers, but would it drive people into music stores? It seems unlikely.

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  • Optimistic-about the Future

    people are downloading for the sake of downloading because they can

  • anon2

    now the truth is coming out. we all knew what would happen, now the thick fu***rs in the UK government will discover exactly what they have done. let down again the people that voted for them. listened to nothing but lies from the BPI and actually believed what they were told. well done Mandelson, Timms and co. i hope what you received as incentives was worth kicking those that you are supposed to represent in the nuts and will very soon cost you your jobs. perhaps you would like yourself or a member of your immediate family to be the first in the queue to lose your internet connection, be taken to court, fined and perhaps put in prison? possibly all because of a false accusation, as well. you will learn! trouble is, as said so many times here before, it will be too late!!

  • KiB

    No big deal, they gonna sue 90% of the population?
    These “scary” laws have no effect at all but they don’t seem to understand the thing will NEVER STOP…EVER!

  • Aman

    I don’t care about it

  • Gargamel

    I used to think the U.K was a good place.

  • anonymous

    there is no way on earth that this will happen ‘RELUCTANTLY’. this is exactly the sort of thing that they have been waiting to be able to do. it is more important to them to do whatever they can to get what they want than to provide a service that will benefit everybody. it is this ‘holier than thou attitude’ they have. this ‘if you dont do what i say, how i say it, i’m gonna f**k as many of you up as i possibly can’ attitude. why not work with your customers instead of doing the very thing that is causing the problem, not providing downloads yourselves? what a strange way to run a business. piss people off, then wonder why they do the very thing you dont want them to do. weird!

  • avatastic

    “ultimately the music industry will be able to identify, they say, those who being most stubborn to change.”

    They’ll identify themselves?

  • the.dwarfer

    if your unhappy with the Digital Economy Bill, vote LibDem, They have stated that they would Repeal it and remove all the disconnection stuff. Plus it would be a kick to the groin for the two lords (Mandelson and Ashcroft).

  • Hello there

    Problem is, if you vote LibDem, there may well be a hung parliament – that is, chaos and, potentially, Brown and Fumblebum.

  • Me

    Use a VPN or OneSwarm.

  • Anonymous

    They want to reduce sharing by 70%?
    that should be interesting.

  • Hard

    I want to Fu@k Stacia, and Fu@k the BPI and Maffia

  • duane

    Filesharers everywhere should pool their resources and sue the BPI for harassment. Better yet, sue the government for being the unsound, corrupt, worthless lot that they are.

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  • mushroom77

    Fu@k the BPI

  • lilysaidmoo

    Sheesh… someone should torch the BPI’s HQ already…

  • Anonymous

    They’ll never stop passing “Anti-Piracy” bills from the 1860′s until today. And none of them are ever successful in stopping piracy…

    http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=piracy+bill&scoring=a&hl=en&ned=us&sa=N&sugg=d&as_ldate=1980&as_hdate=1999&lnav=hist6

    It’s all deja vu all over again…
    and again and again AND AGAIN, every year, they’ll keep on passing anti-piracy bills. Zzzzzzz…

  • leila

    So the BPI still backs technical measures without trial, and does not want to give people the right to defend themselves…

    He actually admits that they wanted the introduction of technical measures so that the BPI would have not to take people to court.

    They don’t want to take people to court because they will loose a great many of the cases and it will bring them bad publicity. Better leave the dirty work to someone else, like Ofcom.

    Copyright infringement is normally a civil matter dealt with in the courts. Hence the corporate copyright owners, the owners of a private property right, are required to defend their own right. And pay for it. Why should everybody else pay for the BPI’s copyright war?

  • Anonymous

    @15

    Hahaha oh wow.

  • Shareless

    Good news!

  • DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS

    It’s copyright that is the very problem, it needs reforming badly.

    How can you sue somebody if you can’t prove it?

  • TerribleTony

    LOL, these people are as stupid as Nominet.

    I’ve got an education for you, it’s called my foot in your collective arse.

  • everyone get out and vote
  • Peter

    Maybe the Music Industry needs a warning that the citizens may soon have to shoot some people.

    Watch your back Mr. music executive and lawyers.

  • Brandon

    Threats are threats. Who The F cares. Pass more stupid laws. I sure its illegal to spit on sidewalk people do anyway. They can’t stop us or TPB. This has been going on for several hundred years. Everyone should log on TPB and download to your hearts content. What can they do turn off your ISP? Your are paying your ISP for thier services. It will never end…

  • dan

    keep in mind this is in the uk and not the usa

  • oldtimer

    In October 2004 the BPI filed 26 lawsuits against P2P users – of which 23 reportedly “settled” – then in March 2005, the BPI announced an additional 31 lawsuits.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03/04/bpi_fileshare_settlements/

    Does anyone know what happened after that?

  • Brandon

    When I meant us, I mean the world…

  • Anony

    I’ve already bought my first month worth of VPN. That money could of gone to the music industry if they got their act together. Unfortunately, they’re rather retarded.

  • Pirate Pal

    I use a VPN and have done so for a while (SwissVPN), I had to buy a TB drive for all the stuff I got now, it cost’s me a quid a week and no slowdown in connections at all, since the DEB I am running night and day now – bring it on, long live the pirates, if the music/film etc industries were not so greedy it may have a different outcome but ultimately they WILL be the losers.

  • NATURAL SELECTION

    Is the music industry run by MENTALLY CHALLENGED people? I mean, ANY normal human being with an average knowledge of how technology works should know that they will NEVER WIN. For half of a second, I feel bad for them.

  • Shivermetimbers

    You Do Your Worst – and We Will do Our Best

    We do not expect to hit without being hit back, and we intend with every week that passes to hit harder. Prepare yourselves, then, my friends and comrades, for this renewal of your exertions. We shall never turn from our purpose, however sombre the road, however grievous the cost, because we know that out of this time of trial and tribulation will be born a new freedom and glory for all mankind.

    Sir Winston Churchill 1941

  • Anon y mouse6

    Since the introduction of this disgusting bill I’m boycotting the music industry – I will not buy a single thing now. And I urge people to do the same, show them who has the power – The consumer.

  • ZIng Ree

    LOL, when are those idiots going to realize that there is nothign they can do to stop the people from keepin it free! I mean really.

    security-tools.us.tc

  • dncholas

    For those in the UK using a VPN is essential. Really everyone should be using regardless of P2P use because the governments are tracking what we do, so are the ISP’s for the government. For UK VPN users do not use a VPN that’s in the UK, the anti piracy groups will just push for a court order and VPN’s have to turn over info. Use neighboring country’s VPN services. HideMyAss VPN Pro I recommend, they have great service, speed and like 24 servers.

  • Chris

    Haha if I ever got a notification saying that they were suing me I would write return to sender on the Envelope and write blow me all over the notice.

  • GrX

    “Government disagreed with us, regrettably, and decided not to bring the technical measures into effect immediately and has said to us that it expects us to bring legal cases and that it will take that into account when it looks at whether or not to introduce technical measures,” he explained.

    lmao… this is not what the government said at all

    the government said due to the increased reports of piracy they are leaving it upto the industry to come up with a way to work with customers to offer new services which is fair for all and will stamp out the need for piracy.

    so now they’ve got this bill though now realized hang on.. if people don’t buy music because they get d/c or as a boycott we’ve now shot ourself in the foot how are we going to get money now?

    i know we will have to still sue people.

    i have yet to see any services offered yet from these assholes

  • Self Helpless

    Why sue the people who support your music and movies?

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    Check out Self Helpless, an independent comedy that we are releasing on bittorrent. It is on mininova and kickasstorrents right now. Enjoy!

    selfhelplessmovie.blogspot.com

  • Anonymous

    haha Churchill whould not put up with bpi.

    bpi is hittlers children.

    there in a grace period we intend to pass our laws.

    1000 years in prison for the bpi ifpi workers employees lawyers.

    sound crazy yer bet is, no more crazy than not sharing.

    perhaps i should stop sharing my wage with the government.

    bpi are shysters taking advantage.

    down with masons down with the new world order.

  • stupid.

    #1 – I know I am.

  • Axl

    Also BPI seems to be indicating that they have already developed the online services that people want:

    “We have always believed that the most important thing we can do is create fantastic new convenient services that are attractively priced with great content that have millions of tracks and are easy to use. We believe we have done that.”

  • Anonymous

    I used to think that filesharing was mildly wrong. Since this act was passed and after seeing the arrogance displayed by the music industry, I now believe it’s everyone’s moral duty to fileshare. We can’t afford to let prats like the BPI think that their draconian schemes actually work.

  • Shep

    “if illicit sharing isn’t reduced by around 70% in the next 18 to 24 months, Taylor says that the music industry will probably have to start suing people again”

    of course sharing isn’t going to drop 70%, ever.

    BRING. IT. ON!

  • Anonymous

    @ 8 Apr 17, 2010 at 13:13 by the.dwarfer:

    Mandelson and Ashcroft? I’d rather kick Mandelson in the groin twice. It would be with reluctance, and it would hurt me more than it would hurt him.

  • WaWaWa

    the news gets better every day.

    hehehehehehehe

  • dg1000

    I rather think many have missed the entire point of the BPI’s campaign. Remember that they are a commercial entity owned entirely by other commercial entities: i.e. the record companies. The BPI exists, in it’s entirety, simply to create revenue – or create the means to create revenue – for those companies.

    There is no money whatsoever in *stopping* file-sharing. There is – potentially – a *lot* of money in monetising copyright infringement. As I wrote and said to my pro-copyright MP before the DEB was passed, as I asked neostyles on these pages (he ignored the question, of course), once the DEB became law, the only bit of it of any use to the BPI, FACT, et al, is the ability to compel ISPs to hand over names and addresses so they can send out ACS:Law-style extortion letters.

    Today’s announcement would seem to confirm my suspicion that *everything* else, the entire Digital Economy Bill, is so much window-dressing to disguise that single solitary aim.

  • Whatever

    I’ll repeat:
    Cooperation is futile, it will end up in court anyhow.

    Now the politicians cooperated in name of the public and the public get sued anyhow like mininova, ftd… and so on.

    @9 Hello there
    Thats a weak argument. I don’t know if it is just an excuse because you actually like another party better or if you think it useless anyhow.

    When all the people now voting on libdem think the same you do then they wouldn’t even exist anymore.
    (btw: i am not in or from UK so i cant give any of them my vote)

    And chaos ?, sure, like some politicians went as far as to say that the lights will go out when voting against the EU “constitution” in the Netherlands.

    Guess what ? .. no such thing happened.

  • PantySnifferParty

    Music Industry Warns That It May Sue UK File-Sharers

    File-sharers tells music industry to go fuck itself.

  • Anonymous

    Off to download a TON of music, as I do each time the suits piss me off.

    Thanks to them I’ve a ton of great tunes. I wish we could support the artists directly – then I’ll start buying music again.

    Support your independent artists! Make they’re earning far exceed the **AA’s!

  • FJG

    So they detect a torrent on my IP, let them sue me and prove that I, the connection owner, committed a crime.

    Truth is they can’t. The first cases to be contested in courts will fail, if the defendant has half a lawyer and an IQ higher than a goldfish.

    I saw this excellent blog the other day: http://bit.ly/9H5fLq

    It says if car license plates were treated like IP addresses in the Digital Economy Bill then who TF would want to own a car?

    FJG

  • Luke

    The truth of the issue is the BPI,RIAA,MPAA whatever faceless acronyms they use have always wanted to do this.

    This is no different to the “home taping is killing music” shit they pulled in the 1980s, surely they would bankrupt themselves by paying the legal costs involved to sue a majority of file sharers.I would boycott all these major labels that these people work for (infact i probably dont buy anything off them anyway).

    If they dont want us to use the internet for file sharing i say we set up groups where we burn collections of MP3s to DVD discs and pass them round to friends.

    Hundreds of years ago when someone wrote a song the only way we could ever hear it again was to play it on an instrument and learn the lyrics repeating them to someone else, so really music “piracy” has always been rife.

    How about we set up some way of banning them from using the internet?. Either way rant ended, support these organizations and such.

    http://bpiboycott.wordpress.com/
    http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/dontdisconnectus/

  • Anonymous

    Music Industry Warns That It May Sue UK File-Sharers.

    Oh Yea?

    Go for it!

    Let’s k… all these fucking bastard corporate parasites!

    Expend the boycott! Tell your friends!

    No CD no DVD No Movie No paying download! Please!!!

  • Robert Munro

    Just boycott those bands that go for record contracts.

    Who needs more Spice Girls and Boyzone clones anyways?

  • Anonymous

    Why the hell wait for 18 to 24 months? Are these guys mentally challenged turds or what?

    Like it or not the internet is the modern equivalent of recording off the radio or borrowing from the library. Despite what they say you are no more liable for copywrite infringement by checking out a book from the library or downloading it.

    Sharing has evolved from bricks and mortar or sneakers to the internet. Eventally these orgs will see the follow of fighting the greatest sharing resource ever invented and work with it. They put a tax on blank tapes, why not on gigs downloaded?

    The other solution is to force the industry to make everything copywrited available intantly on the internet at reasonable prices inorder to maintain a copywrite. In other words use it or lose it.

  • niiice

    @#7:

    ha! i see what you did there..

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  • Rob the Musician

    as dg1000 said at #45 “There is no money whatsoever in *stopping* file-sharing. There is – potentially – a *lot* of money in monetising copyright infringement… once the DEB became law, the only bit of it of any use to the BPI, FACT, et al, is the ability to compel ISPs to hand over names and addresses so they can send out ACS:Law-style extortion letters.

    “Today’s announcement would seem to confirm my suspicion that *everything* else, the entire Digital Economy Bill, is so much window-dressing to disguise that single solitary aim.”

    Which I’m afraid is what section 4 of the Digital “Exclusion” Act is all about.

    If this BPI crazy-guy wants war, then lets just go into shops and trash all their products time and time again, leaving a message saying why.

  • Anonymous

    BPI the only way you can stop us is fuckin make songs cost 10p each, and £1 per album. You don’t deserve the money the artists do.

  • gorehound

    1. keep downloading everything you want for free
    2. never give a dime to any of these corporates

    3.fuck off bpi,mpaa,riaa, and all you other loser greedbags

  • Bas

    Let’s stop buying music altogether then.

  • Stan.

    This is nothing more than scare mongering and FUD.

    The BPI won’t spend money to bring a person to court, if there is any chance it may lose the case and have to pay costs.

  • depill

    Digital Economy Pill http://depill.me/

  • Ninja

    Oh, the hypocrisy.. If they didn’t want to sue those people they’d offer legal alternatives for sane prices. They’d also understand that people don’t buy everything, people have priorities and money is finite.

    They’ll fail. As always.

  • Freeleech

    As always: boycott the industry and don’t let the thugs of MAFIAA to intimidate you.

    Nothing new here.

  • Freeleech

    That’s what happens when people live in the past. Poor BPI guys still think it’s 2004 and BitTorrent is just a bad dream.

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  • Rashiki

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  • kate128

    check out http://www.kate128.info

    PassThePopcorn’s staff member’s homepage! Invites!!

  • 666

    over 2TB of music and still downloading… BPI can kiss me where the sun don’t shine

  • anonymous

    If you hate the major labels and their music so much (not in dispute here) you have an alternative. Boycott them all together and only buy true independent label music, better still go creative commons. Many quality artists release their music under a creative commons license and often provide free downloads to gain exposure….eg Antiqcool…..just google it.

  • welll

    Although I prefer that these parasites be dealt with by the law, we may still have to kill some of these music industry scum.

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  • Hephaestus

    The UK will get its 70% reduction in file sharing for the same reason that sweden has had such a huge drop in observable file sharing. It will go to encrypted private shares, VPN, sneakernet, and a whole host of other methods of sharing. The UK’s DEB will actually backfire on the music industry as kids and teens have a habit of thumbing their noses at authority and adapting faster than the laws can be passed.

  • Le Fake

    I think most of the blame for this new legislation goes to the ordinary people of Britain. You are the ones who chose the members of parliament and were not noisy enough to prevent this from passing.

    If you don’t like what’s happening, keep in mind who spoke, for and against this, in the next elections.

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  • Anonymous

    “Music Industry Warns That It May Sue UK File-Sharers”

    And we are warning that we are going to K some corporate parasites soon starting within the BPI.

    Sorry.

  • TheFileSharingParsnip

    YOU’LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE COPPER !!!

  • cornuto

    Last month BPI were saying they were against the practices of ACS:LAW. Looks like Andrew must have sat on Geoff Taylor’s lap.

  • Crypto

    VPN is good solution: http://www.ipredator.se

  • l-form

    @70. Don’t blame me. The person who represents me in Parliament is not the person I voted for. The Digital Economy Bill was only introduced at the last minute by an unelected lord, not by an elected MP- someone who has a very questionable record indeed and has previously been kicked out of the government twice for dodgy dealing when he was an MP in the Commons. How noisy can we get? There is a petition to the Prime Minister with over 30,000 signatures. There has been a massive letter-writing campaign to MPs. Several major ISPs have campaigned against the bill. All these efforts have been ignored and the bill was rushed through parliament with insufficient scrutiny, making a mockery of democracy. We have an election coming up, but it is extremely likely we’ll get another bunch of corrupt idiots who will bend over backwards to get more ‘consultancy fees’ from lobbyists and pass bad laws at the drop of a hat. Unfortunately, the only party that seems to be internet-friendly is unlikely to win outright and the best I can hope for is a hung parliament.

  • Anon.

    Much better. At least you get something approximating due process if they sue you. They’ve been trying to be judge, jury, and executioner, and often getting away with it.

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